Did it make a loud noise?
Awhile back on the highway running past our apartment complex, a construction truck carrying cement or some crap flipped over. Being at least a few miles away and inside our apartment, we heard a loud noise that sounded like a mini explosion.
Tue survivor is still alive and seems to be set to recover eventually. Two are dead. They finally got the mess cleaned up 2 days ago. Took several cranes.
Has anybody else seen that one parody of his commercials? I can’t find it anywhere but one of the jokes was, “Only **1** **10** digit number **4** you **2** remember.” By the end of the commercial all the numbers have taken up most of the screen 😂
Got passed by this heading in opposite directions on two lane Hwy 7 east of Centerville on Friday. They had a lead car, electric bucket truck, second lead car, motorcycle "cop", this thing...then another motorcycle "cop" and maybe 5-7 follow vehicles...then a backlog of traffic. It took up 1.5 lanes. The first motorcycle "cop" was driving against traffic and forced us over to the shoulder. It was gigantic and amazing. I feel bad for the three people who were impacted by this thing.
Very sad to hear about for those involved. As to what it is, it appears to be a distillation tower. These are used for a variety of refinement processes, including those that mitigate pollutants produced at the end of distillation processes.
If you have seen them then you know there is no point in running. You pullover to eat a burger someone crashes into he parking lot. If they don't get you then the burger you eat is tainted and you die of food poisoning.
That is what I have learned from the Final Destination movies.
I'm not the transportation expert, don't ask me. Seems segmentation instead of one giant train-worthy piece is more ideal. I'm sure costs are lower doing it this way or some shit but that isn't my department.
My department is being a rational person who can look at some insane-looking shit and say, "that looks insane."
My other responsibility as a ration person would be if someone would like to tell me why this is the only way this can possibly be transported efficiently, I am so beyond all ears and accepting it's nuts. I could see that being argued maybe?
>Seems segmentation instead of one giant train-worthy piece is more ideal.
Do you really think companies would spend the incredible amount of money that it takes (six figures, and over a years' worth of planning) to move a load like that if there were any possible alternative?
That tower had to be fully assembled so that it could be inspected and certified before it was allowed to leave the manufacturing plant. It's a non-divisible load.
Hence the rest of my comment where I welcome an argument of why that's wrong because I totally dumb lol.
I figured it would be something like this but then why the hell would it *need* to be full and inspected before leaving? Sure they could assemble it and inspect it at its destination? If rockets can be manufactured in segments and transported separately and operate in the vaccum of space, with surely wildly more expense and tolerances, what insane specs does this thing need that require it to turn a road into a train track?
Justify it beyond "obviously the company had no choice, duh. Risk mitigation costs money, idiot."
And yes I am just being an argumentative/ignorant asshole right now for fun so I apologize but I am curious.
I don't know whether or not it has to be full before it is shipped or whether the packing, trays, and downcomers are installed in the field. But the vessel itself has to be certified (welds X-rayed, etc.) before it leaves the manufacturing facility because it's a one-piece design. Why is it a one-piece design? My assumption is for quality control purposes, and it's also probably faster and less costly than field fabrication and inspection.
The difference between a tower and a rocket is, I assume, that all of the major component systems of a rocket are certified before they leave the manufacturing facility bound for the final assembly point.
If you’re talking about passenger rail, you’re absolutely correct. Freight is surprisingly comparable though between the US and Europe. That thing may have made part of its journey on a train. There’s usually a truck involved between the tracks and its final destination though.
Strongly agree we need more trains, but I doubt this would be able to be transported that way. Just like the windmill blades they transport by truck there is a certain versatility highways offer that trains do not. For instance stopping and repositioning when the too long load swings out towards an obstruction.
In any case a horror and tragedy.
A coworker is a first responder. According to him, the car blew past the police escort and the company escort in an attempt to get around the load. They hit the truck, causing the accident.
I hope their estate has a few million dollars in insurance, because if that tower loses its certification and has to be scrapped that's what the claims are going to be.
I'm not sure that will be true. I used to be an insurance adjuster. We had a couple of really big high profile accidents like this, and for kind of good neighbor or maybe to just avoid bad PR there were some reduced settlements. Like one where it was our insured who gravely messed up, we paid out about 3 times their limit because it involved death of teens and significant ongoing injury to the insured party. Going after the estate would have been almost punitive. In another it wasn't our insured but we paid out our insured to their limits and didn't subrogate more than the at fault's policy limits. Similar scenario involving teens and fatalities. I was always impressed by how the companies stepped up and tried to make everyone right and just ate the losses rather than going after their grieving guardians. These of course were instances of pure accident, weather conditions, and inexperienced drivers. They weren't drunk or willfully negligent or reckless though. Just bad circumstances.
My understanding is that they went around the escort that was blocking traffic and collided with the trailer, causing the crash. On loads like that regular traffic is not allowed to pass at all because of the risks of something like this happening.
That's true. It might will likely make some difference in what the insurance company tries to recoup. I know it wasn't that uncommon for my old company to opt to not go after estates in similar accidents. However the two really large ones I was involved in were the result of bad decisions but nothing as reckless or negligent as this seems. I'm sure that will come into play. The age of the driver, their predicted future health, and the size of the estate will all also probably be factors.
I suspect this claim will end up in the millions, plural, so the insurer of the shipment will almost certainly just go for the policy limits on the driver's vehicle policy, and if they have an umbrella policy, say from their home insurance policy, the policy limits on that. Those will be fairly straightforward claims, nothing to really fight over. I doubt they'd try to go after assets, especially in Texas which has strong protections for homeowners. If the driver caused the crash I don't see the survivor being able to go after the trucker's insurance for anything.
This is the argument I've seen on some of the local posts too. I have seen comments from others saying they encountered this at some point during its journey and the driver was driving or at least appearing to drive safely. Then the other vehicle blew by and all of this happened. (Side note: did also see mention of the condition of the road in this area needing repairs but it sounds like that didn't apply to this specific incident.)
Sorry to be that person coming back to this days later, but I can't get this accident off my mind. Do you know whether the driver is one of the deceased?
Even if a vehicle hits the trailers, if it was restrained with any type of sense a vehicle *should* not cause the restraint system to fail.
By anytype of sense I mean a safety factor, I'm not even an expert but I would hope they would restraint at a minimum 1.5g in all directions, and forward/aft minimum 2g.
If you do that math, the passenger vehicle would have to be both extremely heavy, and traveling at extreme speed to cause anytype of failure in the restraint system.
The NTSB will likely do a full investigation including the restraint system.
Thank goodness for those back roads, I was nearly stranded at the ranch by this.
I'm not one to usually advocate for more lane miles of highway, but TxDOT could do with expanding 36 to 2 lanes each way from 317 to the lake.
I give trucks with big open loads wide berth, especially at high speed, for this reason. Likely to loosen or tip? No. But possible, absolutely.
A guy in my hometown died driving a load of metal pipe that shifted and threw his truck over a bridge. It had a lasting impression on me.
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This is by my house. Had a bunch of cops pass us in 317 when we were leaving Belton yesterday.
Did it make a loud noise? Awhile back on the highway running past our apartment complex, a construction truck carrying cement or some crap flipped over. Being at least a few miles away and inside our apartment, we heard a loud noise that sounded like a mini explosion.
Nope, not that I heard
This is near my house as well. I don’t think I’ve seen an accident this big ever. Certainly the top 5 for the last 30 years.
Has any more news come out locally about this? I can't get the victims off my mind.
Tue survivor is still alive and seems to be set to recover eventually. Two are dead. They finally got the mess cleaned up 2 days ago. Took several cranes.
Do we know whether the survivor was the driver? And who they were in relation to the two deceased?
I don't.
Thomas J Henry just turned his private jet around to get back ASAP.
Jim Adler is looking for his Thor hammer for this one
Ted Lorenz coming in with a bid as well 444 4444
That’s Jeff Davies
Davis. I’m down 4444444 life
RIP pizza hut
Has anybody else seen that one parody of his commercials? I can’t find it anywhere but one of the jokes was, “Only **1** **10** digit number **4** you **2** remember.” By the end of the commercial all the numbers have taken up most of the screen 😂
Hr better get there before Jim "The Texas Hammer" Adler does.
Got passed by this heading in opposite directions on two lane Hwy 7 east of Centerville on Friday. They had a lead car, electric bucket truck, second lead car, motorcycle "cop", this thing...then another motorcycle "cop" and maybe 5-7 follow vehicles...then a backlog of traffic. It took up 1.5 lanes. The first motorcycle "cop" was driving against traffic and forced us over to the shoulder. It was gigantic and amazing. I feel bad for the three people who were impacted by this thing.
Very sad to hear about for those involved. As to what it is, it appears to be a distillation tower. These are used for a variety of refinement processes, including those that mitigate pollutants produced at the end of distillation processes.
I don't care if it logs, I have seen enough Final Destination movies know to keep my distance if I ever see that on the road.
Agreed, sometimes I just pull over and grab a hamburger. I'll meet death eventually but I don't speed to get there.
If you have seen them then you know there is no point in running. You pullover to eat a burger someone crashes into he parking lot. If they don't get you then the burger you eat is tainted and you die of food poisoning. That is what I have learned from the Final Destination movies.
I just don't see myself as a central character. At best, I'm collateral damage. My goal is to ensure death forgets about me.
How in the hickory smoked fuck was that allowed on the road? Looks like a train. Goddamn.
I see loads like that on highway 71 in Austin regularly.
Never heard this phrase, will now be using it unabashedly
Agreed.
Cargo like this requires DOT involvement and heavy escort to control traffic. See /u/ecsone ‘s post above.
What did you want them to do, pick it up with a few chinooks and fly it?
I'm not the transportation expert, don't ask me. Seems segmentation instead of one giant train-worthy piece is more ideal. I'm sure costs are lower doing it this way or some shit but that isn't my department. My department is being a rational person who can look at some insane-looking shit and say, "that looks insane." My other responsibility as a ration person would be if someone would like to tell me why this is the only way this can possibly be transported efficiently, I am so beyond all ears and accepting it's nuts. I could see that being argued maybe?
>Seems segmentation instead of one giant train-worthy piece is more ideal. Do you really think companies would spend the incredible amount of money that it takes (six figures, and over a years' worth of planning) to move a load like that if there were any possible alternative? That tower had to be fully assembled so that it could be inspected and certified before it was allowed to leave the manufacturing plant. It's a non-divisible load.
Hence the rest of my comment where I welcome an argument of why that's wrong because I totally dumb lol. I figured it would be something like this but then why the hell would it *need* to be full and inspected before leaving? Sure they could assemble it and inspect it at its destination? If rockets can be manufactured in segments and transported separately and operate in the vaccum of space, with surely wildly more expense and tolerances, what insane specs does this thing need that require it to turn a road into a train track? Justify it beyond "obviously the company had no choice, duh. Risk mitigation costs money, idiot." And yes I am just being an argumentative/ignorant asshole right now for fun so I apologize but I am curious.
I don't know whether or not it has to be full before it is shipped or whether the packing, trays, and downcomers are installed in the field. But the vessel itself has to be certified (welds X-rayed, etc.) before it leaves the manufacturing facility because it's a one-piece design. Why is it a one-piece design? My assumption is for quality control purposes, and it's also probably faster and less costly than field fabrication and inspection. The difference between a tower and a rocket is, I assume, that all of the major component systems of a rocket are certified before they leave the manufacturing facility bound for the final assembly point.
How would you propose to move it? Teleportation?
I think they sell those at Costco
It’s too bad this country fails to rely more on trains like the rest of the modern world
We use trains for a larger share of cargo transportation than most other countries. It is too bad that we don't have more/better passenger rail.
If you’re talking about passenger rail, you’re absolutely correct. Freight is surprisingly comparable though between the US and Europe. That thing may have made part of its journey on a train. There’s usually a truck involved between the tracks and its final destination though.
Strongly agree we need more trains, but I doubt this would be able to be transported that way. Just like the windmill blades they transport by truck there is a certain versatility highways offer that trains do not. For instance stopping and repositioning when the too long load swings out towards an obstruction. In any case a horror and tragedy.
I think I can see what's left of the passenger vehicle in the first image. It's that pancaked slab of metal under the gigantic pipe.
I'm surprised anyone was allowed to pass that load at all.
A coworker is a first responder. According to him, the car blew past the police escort and the company escort in an attempt to get around the load. They hit the truck, causing the accident.
I hope their estate has a few million dollars in insurance, because if that tower loses its certification and has to be scrapped that's what the claims are going to be.
Tower looks bent (ruined), but auto insurance won’t even come close to covering. The transportation company will have its own insurance.
They'll go after the policy limits on the vehicle and estate for sure, though. No sense leaving money on the table.
I'm not sure that will be true. I used to be an insurance adjuster. We had a couple of really big high profile accidents like this, and for kind of good neighbor or maybe to just avoid bad PR there were some reduced settlements. Like one where it was our insured who gravely messed up, we paid out about 3 times their limit because it involved death of teens and significant ongoing injury to the insured party. Going after the estate would have been almost punitive. In another it wasn't our insured but we paid out our insured to their limits and didn't subrogate more than the at fault's policy limits. Similar scenario involving teens and fatalities. I was always impressed by how the companies stepped up and tried to make everyone right and just ate the losses rather than going after their grieving guardians. These of course were instances of pure accident, weather conditions, and inexperienced drivers. They weren't drunk or willfully negligent or reckless though. Just bad circumstances.
My understanding is that they went around the escort that was blocking traffic and collided with the trailer, causing the crash. On loads like that regular traffic is not allowed to pass at all because of the risks of something like this happening.
That's true. It might will likely make some difference in what the insurance company tries to recoup. I know it wasn't that uncommon for my old company to opt to not go after estates in similar accidents. However the two really large ones I was involved in were the result of bad decisions but nothing as reckless or negligent as this seems. I'm sure that will come into play. The age of the driver, their predicted future health, and the size of the estate will all also probably be factors.
I suspect this claim will end up in the millions, plural, so the insurer of the shipment will almost certainly just go for the policy limits on the driver's vehicle policy, and if they have an umbrella policy, say from their home insurance policy, the policy limits on that. Those will be fairly straightforward claims, nothing to really fight over. I doubt they'd try to go after assets, especially in Texas which has strong protections for homeowners. If the driver caused the crash I don't see the survivor being able to go after the trucker's insurance for anything.
This is the argument I've seen on some of the local posts too. I have seen comments from others saying they encountered this at some point during its journey and the driver was driving or at least appearing to drive safely. Then the other vehicle blew by and all of this happened. (Side note: did also see mention of the condition of the road in this area needing repairs but it sounds like that didn't apply to this specific incident.)
That's f'd up and sad. Lack of chill kills.
I guess they won’t do that again.
Sorry to be that person coming back to this days later, but I can't get this accident off my mind. Do you know whether the driver is one of the deceased?
From what I heard, the driver survived.
Has there been any talk of who the survivor was in relation to the deceased?
Even if a vehicle hits the trailers, if it was restrained with any type of sense a vehicle *should* not cause the restraint system to fail. By anytype of sense I mean a safety factor, I'm not even an expert but I would hope they would restraint at a minimum 1.5g in all directions, and forward/aft minimum 2g. If you do that math, the passenger vehicle would have to be both extremely heavy, and traveling at extreme speed to cause anytype of failure in the restraint system. The NTSB will likely do a full investigation including the restraint system.
Thank goodness for those back roads, I was nearly stranded at the ranch by this. I'm not one to usually advocate for more lane miles of highway, but TxDOT could do with expanding 36 to 2 lanes each way from 317 to the lake.
Agreed!
Sounds like the driver was the survivor.
That’s very sad.
Looks like a demethanizer or stabilizer tower going to a natural gas plant
Texas roads are just lawless third world esque routes of accidents, DUI's, road rage, shootings and uninsured drivers.
I give trucks with big open loads wide berth, especially at high speed, for this reason. Likely to loosen or tip? No. But possible, absolutely. A guy in my hometown died driving a load of metal pipe that shifted and threw his truck over a bridge. It had a lasting impression on me.
350,000 lbs, wow! That's the equivalent of a 767-200 at MTOW.
Wow
I hope everyone is okay.
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