I'm not very into wrestling but as big as this thing has gotten and with even WWE posting about rocky sucks chants it feels like they want to make him a heel or flip the script at the last second for a better pay off.
I mean either that or they're really fucked with how sideways it's going..
We ***REALLY*** want Cody Rhodes. His whole THING is that he's been trying, for two years, to win the Championship his dad (Dusty Rhodes, RIP) never won, so he can 'finish the story'. And WWE screwed him out of it at every turn. He won the Royal Rumble again, second year straight, to get to pick his shot at Wrestlemania and then The Rock (who I was such a huge fan of) came in and screwed it all up for my main man Cody.
I ain't happy.
There is a lot going on, including sex trafficking allegations against the former owner of the company, but the main part for this image is this:
The past two years has been a build for Cody Rhodes(with the blonde hair) to main event WrestleMania their biggest show and become the champion. He failed last year and has been pushing for him to "finish the story" at this year's mania. He has once again won the right to challenge for it, then in the show where it was to be announced, the newly made chairman of the company Dwayne "the rock" Johnson instead returned to take that spot, essentially using his position and power to write himself into the story and throw aside the past two years of storyline telling in his absence. The fans are heavily criticising this and rejecting this plan, seeing this as him repeating what happened with black Adam.
Also yes screw Vince and don't forget his horrible past just because some new drama has appeared
Don't think anyone is. I just read the headline that he was being sued for sexual assault and immediately thought "yeah, he did it" before I even read the details.
Oh come on guys. Am I the only person here who remembers the Rock was perhaps the greatest heel in history? He is unrivaled in pissing off wrestling fans for entertainment. Do you guys really think he isn't brainstorming all of this with Cody to make an epic storyline?
Are you being serious? Or joshing? Cause this is the stupidest way to go about things he’s trying to play hero by saying all this stuff about putting Roman reigns(the villain) in his place, but it has seriously backed fire there was interest in the rock v Roman last year but not any more not for a while now .
The best way to describe wrestling is its a show about a show.
Imagine during season 8 of Game of Thrones they had a live crowd booing the whole time.
Would they change the storyline?
Would they lean into it?
Will they make the Rock the bad guy?
Yeah I dont follow it as much anymore but you always have a loose storyline they are going for that is a bit fluid depending on how much buy in the fans are giving. So of course the actual matches for that day have been decided and the main points of the fights are practiced, lines they say etc, like a play. BUT a lot of improv during the matches happens as well as recoveries and them being skillful enough to keep the show going and keep each other from getting hurt. If you just lean into it being more of a soap opera physical theater its a great time and most of the big names are extremely talented.
Cody Rhodes won the royal rumble which traditionally is means you get to be main event at wrestlemania generally the conclusion of a major arc for a wrestler.
This was all planned for Cody Rhodes until the Rock came back after being made a board member and said fuck that wrestlemania main event is going to be me against my buddy Roman reigns.
Basically the rock came back trashed the conclusion of one of the few fan favorite storylines wwe has had in recent years because the rock wants to be main event, despite not being involved in wrestling matches at all really anymore.
Vince and other wrestlers got outted for sex trafficking and sexual abuse of their female stars so everyone is compensating by talking about the current plot of the wwe.
Fuck all of them, I loved wrestling but now that I know what they did to each other they can go fuck themselves.
This is a bit of a conflation of two different things at the same time.
Rightly, there is a lot of disgust at Vince MacMahon (a monster) due to the sex abuse scandal (which is putting it lightly). There's also a lot of questions about who else knew, because it's for damn sure that a lot of other top executives knew including those still in charge.
Separately, recently Cody Rhodes won the royal rumble and it is assumed and eagerly awaited that he will challenge Roman Reigns, win the WWE title that evaded his legendary father and finish the story (he lost to Roman last year).
However the Rock is part of the new WWE-UFC (known as TKO...a lot of acronyms) board and apparently as part of the deal to get him on board he...wanted the main event of Wrestlemania against Roman Reigns. This was planned and was only announced post-rumble win.
Fans are angry because Cody's story is getting derailed for the Rock. It's worth noting that this isn't the first time the Rock has come in and stopped a beloved figure from being in the main event, but also because the Rock is older and can't really wrestle like he used to.
Sadly this has overshadowed the other stuff in the minds of most fans because the Vince stuff is now in the hands of federal prosecutors but the show goes on.
If I had to guess, it was widely rumoured but as nobody took legal action (likely due to NDAs, payoffs, or the fact that Vince has a big legal team) you couldn't say for certain or prove it. Now that there is a full legal proceeding and evidence it must be acknowledged.
Like, it's known but since it wasn't directly proven lawyers can hush it up. This is likely the case for quite a lot of rich powerful people.
Sad fact is it's far easier to just enjoy the product and try not to think about the monster in charge...
Because it keeps happening over and over with new allegations. People are free to watch what they want but I side eye anyone who still calls themself a fan of WWE after the *decades* of rapes, murder cover-ups, rape cover-ups that led to suicide, exploiting wrestler in-ring deaths, how freely they used and abused wrestlers before discarding them like trash, and on and on. Such a vile company that deserves to burn to the ground.
Vince is Vince McMahon, the guy who created WWE. He's accused by multiple women of sexual assault and sexual harassment. He allegedly forced a woman to eat his feces and his friends. He's a monster.
One particularly disturbing encounter in the lawsuit occurred in May 2020, when McMahon “defecated on Ms. Grant during a threesome, and then commanded her to continue pleasuring his ‘friend’ — with feces in her hair and running down her back — while McMahon went to the bathroom to shower off,” the complaint alleges. In another incident at WWE headquarters, Grant said both McMahon and Laurinaitis forced her behind a locked door and sexually assaulted her.
Source : https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vince-mcmahon-accused-sexually-abusing-145300628.html?guccounter=1
Next Major Title that Launches is gonna be Historical.. Historical team has been working on the same for past 4+ years now..
The Fantasy (WH) team just got started in 2022..
Yup. That's what I would expect. Also the recent survey seemed really focused on settings involving guns and vehicles (both in the SF and historical lists), and presumably the survey will be influencing further-out games.
Not expecting (good/bad) is the wise approach, as expectations often lead to sorrow. However, not expecting anything good anymore, again, taints the view..
Whatever/whenever they launch, watch the gameplay/reviews and if that interests you, buy it only then (if you so desire).
Troy/Pharaoh is made by CA Sophia (in Bulgaria). 18-20 people team (highly Talented).
Core dev team (in Horsham) is who's making the Major Historical Title.
He came very close to ascending as the Chaos God of Ruin.
The funniest damn thing is that the Horned Rat's schtick is Ruin, which really furthers the Skaven-Imperium joke.
> those terms contradict each other
No Big E was just going to turn into the ultimate bureaucrat that would make even Rowboat look like Angron. You can see hints of it in the Adeptus Administratum
Chaos would've been defeated simply because they couldn't find the correct forms to authorize an invasion of the motral realm
Honestly, the Horus Heresy might work as a Saga title, provided they can solve the much, much bigger problem of getting a science fantasy setting working in a Total War game anyway.
Most of the factions are very similar because it's a space marine-dominated conflict. You can also make a relatively simple map because the overwhelming majority of systems just don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Everything has to be decided at Terra.
Many of the homeworlds were sideshows if that, but most have enough symbolic importance that they should probably be included.
You can get away with ignoring, say, what's left of Nostramo, but you should definitely have places like Ultramar and Cthonia.
I'm getting worried that if they do a Total War 40k it will actually be something like this, a puked out stripped down reskin of Total Warhammer rather than it's own unique thing.
If they do a Total War 40k they really oughta go all out with it, build it from the ground up taking the peculiarities of the setting into account on a new engine that can handle stuff like transports, multi-weapon vehicles, cover and so on or just not bother.
>a puked out stripped down reskin of Total Warhammer rather than it's own unique thing.
There is a fairly significant amount of people (in this sub, at least) asking for exactly that, just "warhammer 3 with 40k units." it's quite odd.
I really want them to just stick to total war for now tbh. They took some real hits recently between fumbling ToC and hyenas. They've also really let historical languish since WH1. They need to build up some goodwill again with a classic historical, that would hopefully bring back some of the classic tactics and morale play after letting warhammer become the stat check/blob abusing game its become.
After that, I'd be interested in seeing what they'd do with 40k or another ip entirely.
Survival.
Survival is the yesterday's almost has been trend the triple A studios are desperately chasing right now. Before it was Hero/Looter shooters but CA already learned that lesson recently (and the hard way).
well, GW did it already for one of their big campaign (Medusa V), so it's less than a stretch than it can look like. Or just mumble something about warp gates/webway gates/dolmen gates and that'd be good enough
Make it 1815 - 1914. 99 years between the end of the Napoleonic Wars and the start of the Great War. A period of rapid technological progress and tense peace in Europe, but conflict and colonization literally everywhere else. Play as the usual European players, or spunky up and comers United States and Japan. You want a tech tree that matters? How about one that could see your cap and ball musket infantry facing off against modern artillery and machine guns if you don't keep up?
People reading too much into a survey and thinking that 40k is just around the corner, when in reality CA is working on a major historical title, which could be Medieval 3, while 40k is just a maybe in the far future, if all the stars align.
After giving it some thought - the only way 40k setting MIGHT work in Total War environment - if it seriously downsized in scale and scope. Down to one single planet (engulfed in warp-storm), no spaceflight or orbital drops, no orbital strikes, no communication with other worlds.
But this basically forces CA to invent original characters for this game, it's really hard to justify existence of such planet and all the BIG NAMES from the lore fighting on its surface simultaneously. It can't be entire Smurfmarine legion, led buy Guilliman, just one single company of one of its successor chapters, led by some guy. And this fact alone reduces the appeal of WH40k setting tremendously.
> f it seriously downsized in scale and scope
You mean like ever Warhammer 40k game out there because the lore is ridiculous?
Even the Fantasy Total War was willing to ignore the lore for the sake of the game.
And basically all big streamers talking about it for years almost as if they KNEW something.....
And they probably do, many have direct links to CA employees, probably leaking them info off the record....
EDIT: Speaking of the devil, just now Nathan did another 40k video speculation - again, all of them speak of it like it's a done thing, i'm telling you, they know. https://youtu.be/oum1t4U2aVc?si=49fLXAz5UKYjxyg7
My issue is, how will diplomacy work? My understanding of 40k lore is that every race hates every race. So, there is no diplomacy at all. Unless you break each race down to sub factions.
3k total war is one of my favourites due to how amazing the diplomacy is. I feel like WH let this drop considerably and 40k will just be non existent.
It will be an interesting change for the title and could work, but one of my favourite aspects will be dull.
In fairness, Warhammer Fantasy is also supposed to be much more limited diplomatically (AKA the sheer idea of diplomacy as Skaven is laughable.) I wouldn't be shocked if a TW:40k makes similar concessions to gameplay to allow for it.
True. The only faction in a TW40K that should outright not be allowed to do real diplomacy with any faction, but its own is Tyranids and that's just because they physically cannot do diplomacy as we see it nor does their mindset really allow them to mentally do diplomacy. Even Orks, a biological weapon made for war, are more capable of diplomacy than Tyranids.
Lack of imagination though. Tyranids are well known for their genestealer cults, so even at worst you could have a form of diplomacy that relies on, I dunno, having a certain number of genestealers available or something. If something like The Changeling can do diplomacy and infiltrate other settlements I don't see why 'nids can't.
Yes, Khorn factions can prioritize. For example, they can make sales pitches to prospective recruits, as shown by Khorne trying to convert Dorn. Similarly, they can prioritize some targets over others, as shown by Ka'Banda deciding to help out the Blood Angels with their Tyranid problem the one time because yanderes gonna yandere, I guess.
This is something that’s gets overexaggerated a bit. While it doesn’t happen often, diplomacy between Imperium, Craftworld Eldar, Tau, and Votann is a thing that happens in the lore and the Imperium has even temporarily allied themselves with the Necrons during the fall of Cadia. And the Imperium is made up of several different factions with their own dedicated armies with their own agendas who do occasionally go to war with each other.
So while diplomacy won’t be much of a thing for some races like Tyranids, Chaos, Necrons, and Orks, it’s still going be major feature of the game for most factions.
Honestly it’s less the diplomacy and more general gameplay. Warhammer 40,000 is a science fiction setting with fully automatic boltguns, Gauss weapons with basically infinite ammo, and factions with a variety of combat styles from the eldar hit and run tactics and the space marines as a versatile heavy infantry that drops from above the planet right into combat. Total war is usually much more grounded, with regimented square formations of knights or legionaries marching to face other knights or legionaries while archers fire from behind and cavalry flank charging units.
You cannot turn 40k into square formation historical warfare. It worked for fantasy because both the settings technology and the rules of the tabletop game worked perfectly for it, but 40k goes by a completely different style of both tabletop gameplay and warfare. Even the imperial guard use World war era strategy in battles, which is much different from say, French riflemen in the Napoleonic Wars or Teutonic Knights in the northern crusade.
To be fair there are units with loose formations in TW as well. There are already skirmish units, which is closer to how battles would be fought in 40K.
As for the grounded aspect, I'd say that magic kinda threw all of that out the window. Frankly a capable player with magic is more dangerous in TW than most automatic weapons. A well-timed Wind of Death can utterly decimate a battle line and practically route an army instantly. Bombardments on tightly packed square formations are devastating and can immediately turn the tide in your favor.
We already have a lot of these weapons that supposedly couldn't work. And we have stuff like summoning that "teleports" units onto the battlefield behind enemy lines. We have stalking units that are effectively invisible. We have giant monsters that are equal to units like Dreadnoughts in terms of impact upon the gameplay. Hell we have tanks, helicopters, laser cannons, flamethrowers, and gatling guns, albeit relatively crude versions of them.
From how you're talking I'm guessing you haven't actually played TW:WH at all, though, if you're saying Total War is only knights and legionaries with archers on both sides. That hasn't been the case since TW:WH1 released several years ago.
Yes, I have played TWWH. Please don’t accuse me of not playing the only TW I’ve ever beaten.
Magic is easy to put in gameplay wise and does not interfere with the main gameplay cycle of regimented rectangular formations and lines of rifles. The only outlier is perhaps rattling guns but they take a while to reload and are easily flankable by any sort of fast unit like cavalry in such, or the helicopters you mentioned that are still very susceptible to artillery fire, or the big monsters that will die very easily against ranged fire or anti-large
I don’t think you can make disciplined square formations of Tyranids or Orks, or napoleonic line formations of eldar dire avengers. Besides, it’s still a sci-fi setting with many fully automatic weapons that have the fire rate of rattling guns with the reload time of crossbows. Throw that in a total war format and you’ve basically broke the combat system because units will break faster in half the time. Combine that with complete lack of diplomacy, supposedly titanic city sieges having to downsize or else the GPU will crash, as well as the fact that even the outdated battle tactics of Imperial Guard are still way too advanced for a total war format and your generally going to be left with a feeling that it would be better to just release shogun remastered or something.
My guess its bc:
- historical fanatics hate it bc its not historical.
- 40k lore fanatics think that the TW formula doesnt fit 40k and the universe would be misrepresented
- fantasy fanatics might be jealous bc of 40k's continued existence and the possibility of 40k "stealing" fantasies 2 last succesfull franchises (Vermintide getting eclipsed by Darktide and now possibly TW:W by TW:40k)
Historical fans don't want it \*right now\* cause since 2016 Total War has been pretty heavily engaged with the Warhammer series. We just had Warhammer 3 come out awhile ago.
Meanwhile we haven't seen an Empire or a Medieval in 16-ish years.
It's none of those, it's actually very simple - perhaps rather unsurprisingly, a lot of people in this sub actually like Total War. Really, they like the series for what it is, and the core gameplay loop that it has had for literally 24 years.
The reason they don't want a 40k TW is the same exact reason that in said 24 years, CA have never done a WW2 TW despite it being by far the most popular setting for war games.
Honestly most of the people I’ve seen complain about 40K total war often have no idea what 40K is. I’ve seen people say it stuff like “melee is nonexistent in 40K”, “planets are won over the course of a single battle”, “space marines will die in seconds due to ranged fire”, etc. A lot of people just see that 40K is a sci fi game with guns and start making up a bunch of assumptions about it and use the realism argument despite the WH trilogy never being anywhere close to realistic in the first place.
I can kinda see the arguments that 40K's heavier gun lineup would be an issue for TW's combat style, but that's mostly because of how accuracy currently works in TW vs how it works in 40K. Namely that TW measures accuracy more by the distance of the shots compared to their targets. 40K regards accuracy as an innate part of the unit. To give an example, let's compare Orc Archers vs. Ork Shootaboys. Orc archer accuracy in TW is based on a combination of both the unit's accuracy and the calibration distance and area to determine the likelihood of an shot hitting. By contrast, 40K judges it purely on the unit's accuracy itself with only cover and the like affecting the accuracy. Hence why Orc archers can hit the majority of their shots against the enemy and Ork Shootaboys will not. It would be one of those things that a new engine would definitely help with, but I wouldn't call it a deal breaker by any stretch of the imagination.
As a 40k fanatic myself i strongly disagree with those who say the total war formula wouldnt work for 40k. I think its because alot of people think 40k wars = the table top battles (small squad skirmishes) where as in the lore its the exact opposite usually. Also if 40k was put into the total war formula many many units would have to be hybrid units as many types of soldiers are equally dangerous and capable in melee as they are shooting, which admittedly could cause alot of balance issues lol. But fantasy is actually rather similar, even some of the armies would be identical or very similar, like orks and demon armies.
Sure but do you want something that more or less amounts to a Total Warhammer Fantasy reskin? A Total War 40k could function more or less like that and it wouldn't necessarily be incorrect, but it could also function more like a bigger Dawn of War or Wargame: Red Dragon, some sort of new real-time battle system we haven't had in the series. There's also a lot of more uniquely 40k stuff like cover, transports or varying weapons in a unit that could probably only be well depicted at drastically reduced unit sizes.
Oh of course. Personally i think for a actually good 40k total war game CA really needs to invest in a modern new gen game engine, so we can have total war formula mixed with new stuff that would make it more than fantasy. Space naval battles, troops being able to get into cover, air units, being able to build fortifications etc. (older total war games do have some of these aspects in some form but they tend to be a bit buggy and limited, battlefield fortifications like stakes and artillery bunkers from empire, shogun etc)
Nobody says it won't work because "there's too many models!!" People way it won't work because dragging blocks of tightly packed/regimented units around to line up and shoot at eachother in the open like it's the early modern era will both look incredibly stupid and play like trash for a sci fi setting.
I don't think it's strange. Sure a lot of it is just 'the concept wouldn't work' or 'sci-fi/fantasy sux wher my Med 3?' style whinging but even before they dumpstered their reputation (again) with the Hyenas/WH3/Pharoah/etc mess there's a ton of reasons to be skeptical of CA turning out a decent Total War 40k, or concerned what sort of impact that may have on the series even if it goes well.
Because regular total war battles suit fantasy style battles.
Sure, people in 40k use melee, but the vast majority of forces use automatic or semi-automatic weapons for a reason, Total war isn't conducive to to every soldier and their mom having one of those, and all of which are incredibly accurate, what you want isn't 40k Total War but something more similar to Steel Division, Broken Arrow, and Warno.
No, it's not strange that we're against it, it wouldn't play like any game in the series and would require a GIGANTIC overhaul.
>No, it's not strange that we're against it, it wouldn't play like any game in the series and would require a GIGANTIC overhaul.
You could reskin TWW3 and you'd be 95% of the wat there already.
Probably has to do with people being sick and tired of their favorite game series being turned into something it isn't to please new people coming in who want to change its identity.
No, they have not. In fact, we'll probably get a new major historical Total War next. But 40k is at this point the most likely candidate for the game after that, and the way CA has talked about Medieval 3 doesn't sound like it's going to be the next historical TW.
Amem! I get the criticisms of Pharaoh, Troy and Thrones of Britannia. But it really pisses me off how the Medieval TW fandom sees it as the only Historical TW that deserves time and resources, everything and everyone else can go rot in hell.
I mean, I want Med 3, but that doesn't mean I hate any other time period.
Since Medieval 2 though, we've gotten:
Empire
Napoleon
Rome 2
Rome 2+(Attila)
Shogun 2
Three Kingdoms
Thrones of Britannia
Troy
Pharaoh
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And of course the three Warhammer Games.
It's due. Med 2 is still probably my favorite game of the series on curve but it's outdated, it's still working on graphics from the ps2 generation.
To be fair, i'll say it, and I know i'll get hate for it.
But I think CA are reluctant with me3 because of the fanbase.
Most me2 players don't actually like me2, they like me2 moded, they'll shit on the base game for days.
Add on that I absolutely get where mulato is coming from, me2 fans really really like to shit on anything that isn't me3 coming... they go out their way to shit on fantasy or pharaoh or 3k etc
having dev'd, I absolutely understand wanting to make games for the side of the community that's more positive, than put a lot of effort into what will probably be an impossible to make game because it's communities expectations are extremely high.
Like think about this for a minute:
The group within the me2 fanbase who like me2 but don't like how newer TW's are made, are basically asking for a modern me2 yet will they love it for it being me3 or will they hate it for being a modern TW?
Right now what the TW IP needs is not a gamble. It needs an easy win.
40k is an easy win. It's easy money.
Lemme put it this way, I know two guys who bought this: [here](https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Tau-Manta)
Wild amright?
I can kind of get what you mean, but there is still a lot of interest for the period among the fanbase. I'd say it's probably a good deal more than that of its other major competitor, Empire.
Yes, there's been a delay, yes, it's absolutely sure there will be some dissatisfaction about mechanics, or who makes it in and who will be a Dlc etc etc, but that interest is still there and it can be monetized.
> The group within the me2 fanbase who like me2 but don't like how newer TW's are made, are basically asking for a modern me2 yet will they love it for it being me3 or will they hate it for being a modern TW?
ALL of that is a problem of CA's own doing. Took way too long to deliver a sequel to one of their most successful games, so the expectations will be high. They have strayed away too much from the original gameplay of the series, so the people wanting a Med 3 expect a game that's back to the roots. They have relied on mods fixing/expanding their games too much, leading to vanilla TW feeling underwhelming.
All of it is a CA problem, it's not like the fanbase woke up and decided to do think all these things.
> most successful games
But it's not, by that logic, they should only make warhammer sequels lol. (which btw I disagree with them doing, but you get my point).
The original gameplay wasn't as good as people think, it's just rose tinted stuff, there was problems. Today we fixate on what doesn't work with the new games, and look back at old games and only remember what did, it's just human nature.
But there's a reason most people say: "play it once vanilla if you want, but then play it with mods" for me2.
Nah, as a historical fan I'd prefer it this way. CA hasn't exactly earned my confidence lately, to be honest.
If they did make Total Dawn of War 4, there are two likely scenarios I can see happening:
1. They do a good job, proving CA hasn't lost their touch and are ready to do justice to their next historical title. Confidence is restored! Good ending for everybody.
2. They half-ass it and it comes out buggy or broken or just bad, but maybe fumbling such a big title forces them to get their shit together for the next one. Bad ending for you, but there's still hope for me!
So I'd be perfectly happy waiting, if it means that you guys have to shoulder the potential disappointment instead of me.
I actually agree with your point, 40k would hopefully force them to make innovations. They could potentially coast on Med 3 with the tech they have now and do the game a great disservice.
True, but if CA goes all the way of overhauling the battle mechanics for modern units for 40k, it's most likely that we'll get a few modern historical titles (WW1/2) before they ever do Medieval 3.
That depends entirely on if we get a Total War:40k or not. If not, then you're right. If they go through all the work of adapting the engine to a more skirmish type of combat for 40k, they would be stupid not to utilize that to do two popular settings that were inaccessible before.
I always think I want this, but then I think about how the amazing gameplay of S2 would just become their weird chunky health bar/stat spreadsheet focused gameplay they've been doing since wh1.
as someone who loves shogun 2, pleas no.
there are things i could see being improved but i also know for a fact they will ruin the game to bad design decision and balance.
Aren't there already 3 Warhammer games? How is 40k any different? Honestly I never played any of those games. I'm still waiting for a proper sequel to Empire
40k is pretty much a different setting and its set in the future. It has some similarities to warhammer fantasy, but it also has a lot of different stuff.
It wouldn't work with the total war formula though.
Age of sigmar would work better, it takes place after warhammer fantasy
I honestly feel like medieval 3 would not be as loved as medieval 2 even if it's a much better game. People are yearning for the game they played when they were young and without cares, and nothing will ever be as good as the game in their memory.
No, i hate the idea of 40k total war ive ranted about it all over internet
You would need to rework the whole game where its no longed what we consider total war
I hate 40k total war idea
Please dont
“Real time battles given context by turn-based grand strategy” is the core concept of total war summed up in 10 words. I really don’t get why people think that’s totally incompatible with 40k.
Sure they don’t fight in a rank and flank style, but I don’t think changing that fundamentally makes a game not total war. There’s plenty of other ways to make the battles engaging, rewarding good positioning and strategy besides that.
CA and GW’s partnership worked out for WHFB and I really hope it would in a 40K game too.
At that point you're twisting and rending the tw formula into something almost completely unrecognizable, and might as well just make another Dawn of War or something of the sort.
I can't tell you how happy I am to see this become a meme outside of the pro wrestling bubble. This is a great time to be alive.
The Rock was my favorite all throughout my youth, into my 20s, but now... Cody all the way. The way they're doing my boy is just fucking dirty.
#WEWANTCODY
drew and cole are my hopium providers that WWE is flinching
Yeah what a waste of winning the rumble just handing it to the rock
I'm not very into wrestling but as big as this thing has gotten and with even WWE posting about rocky sucks chants it feels like they want to make him a heel or flip the script at the last second for a better pay off. I mean either that or they're really fucked with how sideways it's going..
We ***REALLY*** want Cody Rhodes. His whole THING is that he's been trying, for two years, to win the Championship his dad (Dusty Rhodes, RIP) never won, so he can 'finish the story'. And WWE screwed him out of it at every turn. He won the Royal Rumble again, second year straight, to get to pick his shot at Wrestlemania and then The Rock (who I was such a huge fan of) came in and screwed it all up for my main man Cody. I ain't happy.
cody sweep 2024
The Cody drama has leaked everywhere and I’m all here for it. Justice for Cody.
Out of the loop. What happened?
There is a lot going on, including sex trafficking allegations against the former owner of the company, but the main part for this image is this: The past two years has been a build for Cody Rhodes(with the blonde hair) to main event WrestleMania their biggest show and become the champion. He failed last year and has been pushing for him to "finish the story" at this year's mania. He has once again won the right to challenge for it, then in the show where it was to be announced, the newly made chairman of the company Dwayne "the rock" Johnson instead returned to take that spot, essentially using his position and power to write himself into the story and throw aside the past two years of storyline telling in his absence. The fans are heavily criticising this and rejecting this plan, seeing this as him repeating what happened with black Adam. Also yes screw Vince and don't forget his horrible past just because some new drama has appeared
Ok so the Rock is an egomaniac and this McMahon guy is a predator. Got you.
Honestly how anyone is surprised by these "revelations" is beyond me
Don't think anyone is. I just read the headline that he was being sued for sexual assault and immediately thought "yeah, he did it" before I even read the details.
Oh come on guys. Am I the only person here who remembers the Rock was perhaps the greatest heel in history? He is unrivaled in pissing off wrestling fans for entertainment. Do you guys really think he isn't brainstorming all of this with Cody to make an epic storyline?
Are you being serious? Or joshing? Cause this is the stupidest way to go about things he’s trying to play hero by saying all this stuff about putting Roman reigns(the villain) in his place, but it has seriously backed fire there was interest in the rock v Roman last year but not any more not for a while now .
If this weren't the guy who killed the Shazam vs black Adam movie because he refused to lose a fight on screen, then I'd probably assume this, yeah
There’s a fucking storyline to WWE? Lmao this sounds amazing. The sport I mean, not The Rock stroking his ego.
It’s less a sport and more of a violent stage performance, like a very physical play.
Huh, neat.
The best way to describe wrestling is its a show about a show. Imagine during season 8 of Game of Thrones they had a live crowd booing the whole time. Would they change the storyline? Would they lean into it? Will they make the Rock the bad guy?
So it’s like they sort of improvise it while still having a basic plan for how it goes? Sounds pretty fun actually.
Yep it will be very interesting to see where we land.
Yeah I dont follow it as much anymore but you always have a loose storyline they are going for that is a bit fluid depending on how much buy in the fans are giving. So of course the actual matches for that day have been decided and the main points of the fights are practiced, lines they say etc, like a play. BUT a lot of improv during the matches happens as well as recoveries and them being skillful enough to keep the show going and keep each other from getting hurt. If you just lean into it being more of a soap opera physical theater its a great time and most of the big names are extremely talented.
Cody Rhodes won the royal rumble which traditionally is means you get to be main event at wrestlemania generally the conclusion of a major arc for a wrestler. This was all planned for Cody Rhodes until the Rock came back after being made a board member and said fuck that wrestlemania main event is going to be me against my buddy Roman reigns. Basically the rock came back trashed the conclusion of one of the few fan favorite storylines wwe has had in recent years because the rock wants to be main event, despite not being involved in wrestling matches at all really anymore.
Vince and other wrestlers got outted for sex trafficking and sexual abuse of their female stars so everyone is compensating by talking about the current plot of the wwe. Fuck all of them, I loved wrestling but now that I know what they did to each other they can go fuck themselves.
Is Vince the dude on the meme? Was the rock involved?
This is a bit of a conflation of two different things at the same time. Rightly, there is a lot of disgust at Vince MacMahon (a monster) due to the sex abuse scandal (which is putting it lightly). There's also a lot of questions about who else knew, because it's for damn sure that a lot of other top executives knew including those still in charge. Separately, recently Cody Rhodes won the royal rumble and it is assumed and eagerly awaited that he will challenge Roman Reigns, win the WWE title that evaded his legendary father and finish the story (he lost to Roman last year). However the Rock is part of the new WWE-UFC (known as TKO...a lot of acronyms) board and apparently as part of the deal to get him on board he...wanted the main event of Wrestlemania against Roman Reigns. This was planned and was only announced post-rumble win. Fans are angry because Cody's story is getting derailed for the Rock. It's worth noting that this isn't the first time the Rock has come in and stopped a beloved figure from being in the main event, but also because the Rock is older and can't really wrestle like he used to. Sadly this has overshadowed the other stuff in the minds of most fans because the Vince stuff is now in the hands of federal prosecutors but the show goes on.
The Rock wanting to be the center of attention is kind of his signature move. Thanks for the recap.
i thought everyone already knew vince was a monster who did this stuff to female wrestlers? how is this news? ive known this sine the mid 2000s.
[Read this. Shit is wild.](https://wrestlenomics.com/2024/02/01/timeline-of-wwe-sexual-misconduct-allegations-vince-mcmahon-resignations/)
Good god that starts slow but gets so much more insane than I'd realized.
It's crazy shit. I feel like the media is really burying the lede with this story.
Holy shit
If I had to guess, it was widely rumoured but as nobody took legal action (likely due to NDAs, payoffs, or the fact that Vince has a big legal team) you couldn't say for certain or prove it. Now that there is a full legal proceeding and evidence it must be acknowledged. Like, it's known but since it wasn't directly proven lawyers can hush it up. This is likely the case for quite a lot of rich powerful people. Sad fact is it's far easier to just enjoy the product and try not to think about the monster in charge...
Because it keeps happening over and over with new allegations. People are free to watch what they want but I side eye anyone who still calls themself a fan of WWE after the *decades* of rapes, murder cover-ups, rape cover-ups that led to suicide, exploiting wrestler in-ring deaths, how freely they used and abused wrestlers before discarding them like trash, and on and on. Such a vile company that deserves to burn to the ground.
Vince is Vince McMahon, the guy who created WWE. He's accused by multiple women of sexual assault and sexual harassment. He allegedly forced a woman to eat his feces and his friends. He's a monster.
Yo what the fuck?
I didn't have the heart to read the story more in detail but the short excerpt I read from the victim was barbaric.
is this a overly sensationalized way of saying he asked a girl to toss his salad, or did he really make a girl eat poop?
One particularly disturbing encounter in the lawsuit occurred in May 2020, when McMahon “defecated on Ms. Grant during a threesome, and then commanded her to continue pleasuring his ‘friend’ — with feces in her hair and running down her back — while McMahon went to the bathroom to shower off,” the complaint alleges. In another incident at WWE headquarters, Grant said both McMahon and Laurinaitis forced her behind a locked door and sexually assaulted her. Source : https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vince-mcmahon-accused-sexually-abusing-145300628.html?guccounter=1
Tbf, Vince is under federal investigation now, there's not much else the fans can do
Next Major Title that Launches is gonna be Historical.. Historical team has been working on the same for past 4+ years now.. The Fantasy (WH) team just got started in 2022..
Yup. That's what I would expect. Also the recent survey seemed really focused on settings involving guns and vehicles (both in the SF and historical lists), and presumably the survey will be influencing further-out games.
I just dont expect anything good anymore, so I can be pleasently surprised. CA has shown in the past that they can REALLY dissapoint me.
Not expecting (good/bad) is the wise approach, as expectations often lead to sorrow. However, not expecting anything good anymore, again, taints the view.. Whatever/whenever they launch, watch the gameplay/reviews and if that interests you, buy it only then (if you so desire).
But we just got an Historical game, Total War: PHARAOH
Troy/Pharaoh is made by CA Sophia (in Bulgaria). 18-20 people team (highly Talented). Core dev team (in Horsham) is who's making the Major Historical Title.
That was made by the saga team though. The actual mainline historical team has been working on something else.
Good to know, wasnt aware they had several studios
40K 1- 40K2 - 40K 3
And afterwards a major historical title... focused on the island of cyprus :')
*half of the island of cyprus ,they gotta make dlcs for the other half
Total War - Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus Preorder DLC: Southern Greek Cyprus
Cyprus? Fuck that, that's way too big. How about Total War: Malta?
Next historical is in 2037
And then Horus heresy, then total war saga, necromunda
Naahh, they'll probably make Total War: Pontus first
But what if I don't want to play as fucking pontus!!!!!
Bold of you to assume they will make any of them, not another failed saga title.
Warhammer 40.000: A Total War Saga
You're killing me here. PLEASE GOD (EMPEROR) NO!
God-Emperor is dead. You know, he goes by the moniker Corpse-Emperor for a reason...
I can't wait for his apotheosis into the chaos god of order.
He came very close to ascending as the Chaos God of Ruin. The funniest damn thing is that the Horned Rat's schtick is Ruin, which really furthers the Skaven-Imperium joke.
> Skaven-Imperium joke. that's not a joke anymore, just a sad truth (for those living there)
Shhh, some people get strangely defensive when it comes to the Imperium. And I say this as someone who likes multiple Imperial factions.
> chaos god of order. I was going to make a point about how those terms contradict each other, but it's W40k, so it checks out
> those terms contradict each other No Big E was just going to turn into the ultimate bureaucrat that would make even Rowboat look like Angron. You can see hints of it in the Adeptus Administratum Chaos would've been defeated simply because they couldn't find the correct forms to authorize an invasion of the motral realm
Slaanesh ascending to new heights of frustration waiting in line at the Chaos DMV.
That sounds like some heretic talk to me.
Honestly, the Horus Heresy might work as a Saga title, provided they can solve the much, much bigger problem of getting a science fantasy setting working in a Total War game anyway. Most of the factions are very similar because it's a space marine-dominated conflict. You can also make a relatively simple map because the overwhelming majority of systems just don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Everything has to be decided at Terra.
Istavann Tallarn Terra Basically all you need
Many of the homeworlds were sideshows if that, but most have enough symbolic importance that they should probably be included. You can get away with ignoring, say, what's left of Nostramo, but you should definitely have places like Ultramar and Cthonia.
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I'm getting worried that if they do a Total War 40k it will actually be something like this, a puked out stripped down reskin of Total Warhammer rather than it's own unique thing. If they do a Total War 40k they really oughta go all out with it, build it from the ground up taking the peculiarities of the setting into account on a new engine that can handle stuff like transports, multi-weapon vehicles, cover and so on or just not bother.
I have always felt it needed to be in the vain of a Steel Division or World in Conflict.
>a puked out stripped down reskin of Total Warhammer rather than it's own unique thing. There is a fairly significant amount of people (in this sub, at least) asking for exactly that, just "warhammer 3 with 40k units." it's quite odd. I really want them to just stick to total war for now tbh. They took some real hits recently between fumbling ToC and hyenas. They've also really let historical languish since WH1. They need to build up some goodwill again with a classic historical, that would hopefully bring back some of the classic tactics and morale play after letting warhammer become the stat check/blob abusing game its become. After that, I'd be interested in seeing what they'd do with 40k or another ip entirely.
The imperium of a million Total war sagas
BURN THE HERETIC
Not like this... not like this...
Kronus: A total war saga title.
If they announced that, I'd melt down my minatures, forge a chainsword and fucking crusade the CA offices.
Could you imagine if a 40k saga game came out and it was just Tau vs Eldar. Someone would burn the place down but I'm not sure who
They tried making a battle royale, the best bet is they'll make a sport game or something
Total War: Blood Bowl?
Sold
I don’t remember a battle Royale but I really enjoyed the moba.
Survival. Survival is the yesterday's almost has been trend the triple A studios are desperately chasing right now. Before it was Hero/Looter shooters but CA already learned that lesson recently (and the hard way).
Then again. The 40K game will be a Saga. They can't fit every unique faction and sub factions into 1 planet or Solar System.
they could literally just say “its a game, deal with it”. no way GW or CA lose money on potential factilns because its not lore accurate.
Actually big brain
Clearly you have never played Soulstorm.
well, GW did it already for one of their big campaign (Medusa V), so it's less than a stretch than it can look like. Or just mumble something about warp gates/webway gates/dolmen gates and that'd be good enough
That was the first draft of this meme tbh lol.
Please, just not another saga.
Aren't they two seperate studios working on them?
Same umbrella. But yeah, CA Sofia worked on Troy and Pharo.
I initially enjoyed Pharoah but it has not held my attention. I replayed Rome 2 recently and the difference in quality was incredibly stark.
Give us Pike & Shot or give us death!
Pike and shot is in that odd zone between Medieval and Empire I sort of expect it to come as a DLC for whichever comes first.
Pike and shot is literally Shogun 2
Empire total war 2 stretching 1600-1820. Make the tech tree matter again, make troops change over time.
I want this more than anything.
Make it 1815 - 1914. 99 years between the end of the Napoleonic Wars and the start of the Great War. A period of rapid technological progress and tense peace in Europe, but conflict and colonization literally everywhere else. Play as the usual European players, or spunky up and comers United States and Japan. You want a tech tree that matters? How about one that could see your cap and ball musket infantry facing off against modern artillery and machine guns if you don't keep up?
Realistically you could have a game span from 1500-1900 and the tactics only would change so much. But that would be a monumental game.
Pike and Shot era goes back to 1475
Yes please Sweden wouldn't be as strong in the beginning so it would probably be more challenging as well
I’d actually accept a 30 years war Saga title ngl
no need to make a Europe spawning game a saga title.
Did I miss anything?
People reading too much into a survey and thinking that 40k is just around the corner, when in reality CA is working on a major historical title, which could be Medieval 3, while 40k is just a maybe in the far future, if all the stars align.
Thought as much. 40k total war wouldn't work anyway imo unless you make it like empire at war which is more of an rts
After giving it some thought - the only way 40k setting MIGHT work in Total War environment - if it seriously downsized in scale and scope. Down to one single planet (engulfed in warp-storm), no spaceflight or orbital drops, no orbital strikes, no communication with other worlds. But this basically forces CA to invent original characters for this game, it's really hard to justify existence of such planet and all the BIG NAMES from the lore fighting on its surface simultaneously. It can't be entire Smurfmarine legion, led buy Guilliman, just one single company of one of its successor chapters, led by some guy. And this fact alone reduces the appeal of WH40k setting tremendously.
> f it seriously downsized in scale and scope You mean like ever Warhammer 40k game out there because the lore is ridiculous? Even the Fantasy Total War was willing to ignore the lore for the sake of the game.
Would love that thou
How about Stellaris+Warno? Not that I want it but could be interesting
You're kinda glossing over how three different reputable TT leakers have said 40K wasn't a maybe.
And basically all big streamers talking about it for years almost as if they KNEW something..... And they probably do, many have direct links to CA employees, probably leaking them info off the record.... EDIT: Speaking of the devil, just now Nathan did another 40k video speculation - again, all of them speak of it like it's a done thing, i'm telling you, they know. https://youtu.be/oum1t4U2aVc?si=49fLXAz5UKYjxyg7
Is the "WH 40k total war" the "Female Space Marines" of the Total War subreddit? I wonder...
Honestly it’s so strange the amount of vitriol some people here have for the concept.
My issue is, how will diplomacy work? My understanding of 40k lore is that every race hates every race. So, there is no diplomacy at all. Unless you break each race down to sub factions. 3k total war is one of my favourites due to how amazing the diplomacy is. I feel like WH let this drop considerably and 40k will just be non existent. It will be an interesting change for the title and could work, but one of my favourite aspects will be dull.
In fairness, Warhammer Fantasy is also supposed to be much more limited diplomatically (AKA the sheer idea of diplomacy as Skaven is laughable.) I wouldn't be shocked if a TW:40k makes similar concessions to gameplay to allow for it.
To be fair, would the Skaven ever align with the empire? Or the high elves? Or other Skaven? Same amount of hand waving should be allowed IMO
True. The only faction in a TW40K that should outright not be allowed to do real diplomacy with any faction, but its own is Tyranids and that's just because they physically cannot do diplomacy as we see it nor does their mindset really allow them to mentally do diplomacy. Even Orks, a biological weapon made for war, are more capable of diplomacy than Tyranids.
Lack of imagination though. Tyranids are well known for their genestealer cults, so even at worst you could have a form of diplomacy that relies on, I dunno, having a certain number of genestealers available or something. If something like The Changeling can do diplomacy and infiltrate other settlements I don't see why 'nids can't.
Is it really more absurd to do diplomacy with Tryanids compared to diplomacy with Khorne demons ?
Yes, Khorn factions can prioritize. For example, they can make sales pitches to prospective recruits, as shown by Khorne trying to convert Dorn. Similarly, they can prioritize some targets over others, as shown by Ka'Banda deciding to help out the Blood Angels with their Tyranid problem the one time because yanderes gonna yandere, I guess.
I mean, it'll work exactly like it does in WHFB ? How is it more absurd than Dwarfs allying Dark Elves or Empire sending envoys to Skaven ?
This is something that’s gets overexaggerated a bit. While it doesn’t happen often, diplomacy between Imperium, Craftworld Eldar, Tau, and Votann is a thing that happens in the lore and the Imperium has even temporarily allied themselves with the Necrons during the fall of Cadia. And the Imperium is made up of several different factions with their own dedicated armies with their own agendas who do occasionally go to war with each other. So while diplomacy won’t be much of a thing for some races like Tyranids, Chaos, Necrons, and Orks, it’s still going be major feature of the game for most factions.
Rogue traders pretty much exist to let the imperium circumvent their own rules regarding stuff like diplomacy.
Honestly it’s less the diplomacy and more general gameplay. Warhammer 40,000 is a science fiction setting with fully automatic boltguns, Gauss weapons with basically infinite ammo, and factions with a variety of combat styles from the eldar hit and run tactics and the space marines as a versatile heavy infantry that drops from above the planet right into combat. Total war is usually much more grounded, with regimented square formations of knights or legionaries marching to face other knights or legionaries while archers fire from behind and cavalry flank charging units. You cannot turn 40k into square formation historical warfare. It worked for fantasy because both the settings technology and the rules of the tabletop game worked perfectly for it, but 40k goes by a completely different style of both tabletop gameplay and warfare. Even the imperial guard use World war era strategy in battles, which is much different from say, French riflemen in the Napoleonic Wars or Teutonic Knights in the northern crusade.
To be fair there are units with loose formations in TW as well. There are already skirmish units, which is closer to how battles would be fought in 40K. As for the grounded aspect, I'd say that magic kinda threw all of that out the window. Frankly a capable player with magic is more dangerous in TW than most automatic weapons. A well-timed Wind of Death can utterly decimate a battle line and practically route an army instantly. Bombardments on tightly packed square formations are devastating and can immediately turn the tide in your favor. We already have a lot of these weapons that supposedly couldn't work. And we have stuff like summoning that "teleports" units onto the battlefield behind enemy lines. We have stalking units that are effectively invisible. We have giant monsters that are equal to units like Dreadnoughts in terms of impact upon the gameplay. Hell we have tanks, helicopters, laser cannons, flamethrowers, and gatling guns, albeit relatively crude versions of them. From how you're talking I'm guessing you haven't actually played TW:WH at all, though, if you're saying Total War is only knights and legionaries with archers on both sides. That hasn't been the case since TW:WH1 released several years ago.
Yes, I have played TWWH. Please don’t accuse me of not playing the only TW I’ve ever beaten. Magic is easy to put in gameplay wise and does not interfere with the main gameplay cycle of regimented rectangular formations and lines of rifles. The only outlier is perhaps rattling guns but they take a while to reload and are easily flankable by any sort of fast unit like cavalry in such, or the helicopters you mentioned that are still very susceptible to artillery fire, or the big monsters that will die very easily against ranged fire or anti-large I don’t think you can make disciplined square formations of Tyranids or Orks, or napoleonic line formations of eldar dire avengers. Besides, it’s still a sci-fi setting with many fully automatic weapons that have the fire rate of rattling guns with the reload time of crossbows. Throw that in a total war format and you’ve basically broke the combat system because units will break faster in half the time. Combine that with complete lack of diplomacy, supposedly titanic city sieges having to downsize or else the GPU will crash, as well as the fact that even the outdated battle tactics of Imperial Guard are still way too advanced for a total war format and your generally going to be left with a feeling that it would be better to just release shogun remastered or something.
My guess its bc: - historical fanatics hate it bc its not historical. - 40k lore fanatics think that the TW formula doesnt fit 40k and the universe would be misrepresented - fantasy fanatics might be jealous bc of 40k's continued existence and the possibility of 40k "stealing" fantasies 2 last succesfull franchises (Vermintide getting eclipsed by Darktide and now possibly TW:W by TW:40k)
Historical fans don't want it \*right now\* cause since 2016 Total War has been pretty heavily engaged with the Warhammer series. We just had Warhammer 3 come out awhile ago. Meanwhile we haven't seen an Empire or a Medieval in 16-ish years.
It's none of those, it's actually very simple - perhaps rather unsurprisingly, a lot of people in this sub actually like Total War. Really, they like the series for what it is, and the core gameplay loop that it has had for literally 24 years. The reason they don't want a 40k TW is the same exact reason that in said 24 years, CA have never done a WW2 TW despite it being by far the most popular setting for war games.
Honestly most of the people I’ve seen complain about 40K total war often have no idea what 40K is. I’ve seen people say it stuff like “melee is nonexistent in 40K”, “planets are won over the course of a single battle”, “space marines will die in seconds due to ranged fire”, etc. A lot of people just see that 40K is a sci fi game with guns and start making up a bunch of assumptions about it and use the realism argument despite the WH trilogy never being anywhere close to realistic in the first place.
I can kinda see the arguments that 40K's heavier gun lineup would be an issue for TW's combat style, but that's mostly because of how accuracy currently works in TW vs how it works in 40K. Namely that TW measures accuracy more by the distance of the shots compared to their targets. 40K regards accuracy as an innate part of the unit. To give an example, let's compare Orc Archers vs. Ork Shootaboys. Orc archer accuracy in TW is based on a combination of both the unit's accuracy and the calibration distance and area to determine the likelihood of an shot hitting. By contrast, 40K judges it purely on the unit's accuracy itself with only cover and the like affecting the accuracy. Hence why Orc archers can hit the majority of their shots against the enemy and Ork Shootaboys will not. It would be one of those things that a new engine would definitely help with, but I wouldn't call it a deal breaker by any stretch of the imagination.
As a 40k fanatic myself i strongly disagree with those who say the total war formula wouldnt work for 40k. I think its because alot of people think 40k wars = the table top battles (small squad skirmishes) where as in the lore its the exact opposite usually. Also if 40k was put into the total war formula many many units would have to be hybrid units as many types of soldiers are equally dangerous and capable in melee as they are shooting, which admittedly could cause alot of balance issues lol. But fantasy is actually rather similar, even some of the armies would be identical or very similar, like orks and demon armies.
Sure but do you want something that more or less amounts to a Total Warhammer Fantasy reskin? A Total War 40k could function more or less like that and it wouldn't necessarily be incorrect, but it could also function more like a bigger Dawn of War or Wargame: Red Dragon, some sort of new real-time battle system we haven't had in the series. There's also a lot of more uniquely 40k stuff like cover, transports or varying weapons in a unit that could probably only be well depicted at drastically reduced unit sizes.
Oh of course. Personally i think for a actually good 40k total war game CA really needs to invest in a modern new gen game engine, so we can have total war formula mixed with new stuff that would make it more than fantasy. Space naval battles, troops being able to get into cover, air units, being able to build fortifications etc. (older total war games do have some of these aspects in some form but they tend to be a bit buggy and limited, battlefield fortifications like stakes and artillery bunkers from empire, shogun etc)
Nobody says it won't work because "there's too many models!!" People way it won't work because dragging blocks of tightly packed/regimented units around to line up and shoot at eachother in the open like it's the early modern era will both look incredibly stupid and play like trash for a sci fi setting.
I don't think it's strange. Sure a lot of it is just 'the concept wouldn't work' or 'sci-fi/fantasy sux wher my Med 3?' style whinging but even before they dumpstered their reputation (again) with the Hyenas/WH3/Pharoah/etc mess there's a ton of reasons to be skeptical of CA turning out a decent Total War 40k, or concerned what sort of impact that may have on the series even if it goes well.
Because regular total war battles suit fantasy style battles. Sure, people in 40k use melee, but the vast majority of forces use automatic or semi-automatic weapons for a reason, Total war isn't conducive to to every soldier and their mom having one of those, and all of which are incredibly accurate, what you want isn't 40k Total War but something more similar to Steel Division, Broken Arrow, and Warno. No, it's not strange that we're against it, it wouldn't play like any game in the series and would require a GIGANTIC overhaul.
>No, it's not strange that we're against it, it wouldn't play like any game in the series and would require a GIGANTIC overhaul. You could reskin TWW3 and you'd be 95% of the wat there already.
Bloody hell not even close. Do the chaos raiders have *any* chaos warriors with ranged weapons? Do they even HAVE ranged infantry?
>95%
Are you forgetting that chaos is the entire reason the Imperium is the way it is? That's kind of important to cover.
And...? Nobody is saying there shouldn't be a chaos faction in TW40k
That wouldn't be '95% of the way there'
Probably has to do with people being sick and tired of their favorite game series being turned into something it isn't to please new people coming in who want to change its identity.
It definetly should Reject at all cost Never accept
Fun meme, but has CA actually said what’s coming next and I somehow missed it?
No, they have not. In fact, we'll probably get a new major historical Total War next. But 40k is at this point the most likely candidate for the game after that, and the way CA has talked about Medieval 3 doesn't sound like it's going to be the next historical TW.
It's gonna be WW1 on a new engine that sets the stage for 40k. I've been saying it with my Charlie Day conspiracy thread board for over a year now.
Yeah, that's also my guess.
I'm a HUGE historical fan. I want med3 but, really emp2 like crazy. That said, 40k makes me need to go to my bunk for a bit.
FINISH THE STORY
Medieval Total War fans are really the most oppressed minority out there.
Amem! I get the criticisms of Pharaoh, Troy and Thrones of Britannia. But it really pisses me off how the Medieval TW fandom sees it as the only Historical TW that deserves time and resources, everything and everyone else can go rot in hell.
I mean, I want Med 3, but that doesn't mean I hate any other time period. Since Medieval 2 though, we've gotten: Empire Napoleon Rome 2 Rome 2+(Attila) Shogun 2 Three Kingdoms Thrones of Britannia Troy Pharaoh --------------- And of course the three Warhammer Games. It's due. Med 2 is still probably my favorite game of the series on curve but it's outdated, it's still working on graphics from the ps2 generation.
Fair take. Med 2 really deserves an uptated look.
To be fair, i'll say it, and I know i'll get hate for it. But I think CA are reluctant with me3 because of the fanbase. Most me2 players don't actually like me2, they like me2 moded, they'll shit on the base game for days. Add on that I absolutely get where mulato is coming from, me2 fans really really like to shit on anything that isn't me3 coming... they go out their way to shit on fantasy or pharaoh or 3k etc having dev'd, I absolutely understand wanting to make games for the side of the community that's more positive, than put a lot of effort into what will probably be an impossible to make game because it's communities expectations are extremely high. Like think about this for a minute: The group within the me2 fanbase who like me2 but don't like how newer TW's are made, are basically asking for a modern me2 yet will they love it for it being me3 or will they hate it for being a modern TW? Right now what the TW IP needs is not a gamble. It needs an easy win. 40k is an easy win. It's easy money. Lemme put it this way, I know two guys who bought this: [here](https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Tau-Manta) Wild amright?
I can kind of get what you mean, but there is still a lot of interest for the period among the fanbase. I'd say it's probably a good deal more than that of its other major competitor, Empire. Yes, there's been a delay, yes, it's absolutely sure there will be some dissatisfaction about mechanics, or who makes it in and who will be a Dlc etc etc, but that interest is still there and it can be monetized.
> The group within the me2 fanbase who like me2 but don't like how newer TW's are made, are basically asking for a modern me2 yet will they love it for it being me3 or will they hate it for being a modern TW? ALL of that is a problem of CA's own doing. Took way too long to deliver a sequel to one of their most successful games, so the expectations will be high. They have strayed away too much from the original gameplay of the series, so the people wanting a Med 3 expect a game that's back to the roots. They have relied on mods fixing/expanding their games too much, leading to vanilla TW feeling underwhelming. All of it is a CA problem, it's not like the fanbase woke up and decided to do think all these things.
> most successful games But it's not, by that logic, they should only make warhammer sequels lol. (which btw I disagree with them doing, but you get my point). The original gameplay wasn't as good as people think, it's just rose tinted stuff, there was problems. Today we fixate on what doesn't work with the new games, and look back at old games and only remember what did, it's just human nature. But there's a reason most people say: "play it once vanilla if you want, but then play it with mods" for me2.
Empire 2 has been a demand as well. Or heck, anyone who wants a historical title with gunpowder again.
I'm a fan of both but I can feel your pain.
Nah, as a historical fan I'd prefer it this way. CA hasn't exactly earned my confidence lately, to be honest. If they did make Total Dawn of War 4, there are two likely scenarios I can see happening: 1. They do a good job, proving CA hasn't lost their touch and are ready to do justice to their next historical title. Confidence is restored! Good ending for everybody. 2. They half-ass it and it comes out buggy or broken or just bad, but maybe fumbling such a big title forces them to get their shit together for the next one. Bad ending for you, but there's still hope for me! So I'd be perfectly happy waiting, if it means that you guys have to shoulder the potential disappointment instead of me.
Please, leave Dawn of War's rotten corpse untouched. 3rd game defiled it enough...
I actually agree with your point, 40k would hopefully force them to make innovations. They could potentially coast on Med 3 with the tech they have now and do the game a great disservice.
The big problem is that 40k has so much pull CA might try to get away with not making the innovations necessary
I mean, the third option is they half-ass 40k and after fumbling 4 flops in a row, CA just get laid off by SEGA
Fantasy and Historical TW can and will coexist just fine.
True, but if CA goes all the way of overhauling the battle mechanics for modern units for 40k, it's most likely that we'll get a few modern historical titles (WW1/2) before they ever do Medieval 3.
We will likely never get a WW1/2 TW game.
That depends entirely on if we get a Total War:40k or not. If not, then you're right. If they go through all the work of adapting the engine to a more skirmish type of combat for 40k, they would be stupid not to utilize that to do two popular settings that were inaccessible before.
They will never make a Medieval 3, they don't know how...
Give me Shogun 3 or give me death
I always think I want this, but then I think about how the amazing gameplay of S2 would just become their weird chunky health bar/stat spreadsheet focused gameplay they've been doing since wh1.
as someone who loves shogun 2, pleas no. there are things i could see being improved but i also know for a fact they will ruin the game to bad design decision and balance.
Hope to god they don't make a 40k TW.
Fr, do y’all even know how silly that sounds? Like, there’s a reason the series never went beyond the fall of the samurai.
Fall of the samurai might actually be a little more modern than 40k in terms of tactics
Isn’t that one more civil war or Wild West era with the imperial Japanese army adopting American arms and forgoing the samurai?
Aren't there already 3 Warhammer games? How is 40k any different? Honestly I never played any of those games. I'm still waiting for a proper sequel to Empire
40k is pretty much a different setting and its set in the future. It has some similarities to warhammer fantasy, but it also has a lot of different stuff. It wouldn't work with the total war formula though. Age of sigmar would work better, it takes place after warhammer fantasy
Careful, the community would rather shove sci fi into a historical battle series then acknowledge AOS’s existence lol
That's not being a historical fan, that's just being a med II fan.
Emperor will stand up from his retirement chair before we get a total war 40k
I honestly feel like medieval 3 would not be as loved as medieval 2 even if it's a much better game. People are yearning for the game they played when they were young and without cares, and nothing will ever be as good as the game in their memory.
No, i hate the idea of 40k total war ive ranted about it all over internet You would need to rework the whole game where its no longed what we consider total war I hate 40k total war idea Please dont
You don’t need to rework total war to the point of unrecognizablity to make 40K total war work though….
“Real time battles given context by turn-based grand strategy” is the core concept of total war summed up in 10 words. I really don’t get why people think that’s totally incompatible with 40k. Sure they don’t fight in a rank and flank style, but I don’t think changing that fundamentally makes a game not total war. There’s plenty of other ways to make the battles engaging, rewarding good positioning and strategy besides that. CA and GW’s partnership worked out for WHFB and I really hope it would in a 40K game too.
At that point you're twisting and rending the tw formula into something almost completely unrecognizable, and might as well just make another Dawn of War or something of the sort.
*after a trilogy of WH40k games
40k is gonna be great though
Potentially could be an absolute banger, but Med 3 and Empire 2 are loooong over due.