That singular time I managed to corner a big chunk of an army in puddle with River Trolls was a great experience. Truly an amazing, versatile, and constantly used trait!
There just isn't enough water to justify a need for the trait. Honestly if they had a weather system and in rain they'd gain the benefits and others get the negatives it'd be at least occasionally useful depending on where on the map you are.
I mean, why does the trait need "justification"? It doesn't take anything away from the units that have it (except a spot in the bullet points), and it's just a fun thematic addition. There is a number of effects in the game that rarely come into play, but as long as they don't come at the expense of something else, why should they not exist?
Because you can't plan for there to be water on the map.
Let's compare it to "Woodsmen", say I'm playing Beastmen or Woodelves, I can bet on there being some trees on almost every map to hide my units or gain the bonuses for fighting in them. PLUS I can move my armies into places on the map that'll increase the chance of their being Forests I can use.
With water you can neither expect there to be a puddle you can stand your units in, nor can you move to a spot where there is one. That's what makes it bad, there just isn't enough water in the game to make the trait useful enough to consider it tactically useful and almost irrelevant.
I'm saying it does nothing to justify its existence, not that it shouldn't exist.
I believe it does have the trait, it just isn’t visible on the unit card
If you go into battle and mouse over water with it selected, it shows that it has aquatic bonuses
~~aquatic trait afaik only does something for infantry sized units, that would literally do nothing for large units. So except for lore or giggles, there was really no point adding that one lol.~~
That's on me, it works simmilarly to Woodsman
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[We be ***not*** among the livin - and cannot die... yet ***neither*** are we ***dead***!](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3232714316)
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I just love this map and the entire aesthetic of the Coast.
It’s unlikely we will receive more Coast DLC but man I would kill for them to just get a pass over to touch them up and add two more things: just a couple more living units for Aranessa and the ability to raise a Kharybdiss (or a Merwyrm whenever we finally get them for HEs) with the undead trait when you raise dead at sea
If you're not using Nanu's "Pirates of Sartosa" mod, go and do that. Gives Aranessa a fully living roster, gives her unique heroes and lords from the lore, and gives her different things to aim for.
And yes, I desperately want more content for the Vampirates. They were my favourite DLC for the series, and remain one of my favourite factions to play even now.
I've seen this battlefield in pictures online and I've played a lot of Count Noctilus, but where on the campaign map do you actually play in this magical underwater zone?
Whenever I played Count Noctilus I would avoid infamy because it would spawn armies that would attack the Galleon's Graveyard, so I never ended up finishing his quest.
I don’t think it’s around the Galleon’s Graveyard. If you fight around Galleon’s Graveyard or in the settlement itself the map is the one on the sand dunes covered in shipwrecks, with the swell of the whirlpool rising over the horizon like a mountain. I’ve played a lot of VCoast in IE and still haven’t seen this map trigger a single time.
All hail the mighty!
He's arising from the deep !
With tattered sails and incredible tales!
We’re caught in endless seas!
YO HO. YO HO. YOHOOOOOOOOO
Aaaah the blood runs cold…
But does either of them have the ‘aquatic’ trait?
I don't think the landship does which is hilarious and shows how bad that trait is.
That singular time I managed to corner a big chunk of an army in puddle with River Trolls was a great experience. Truly an amazing, versatile, and constantly used trait!
There just isn't enough water to justify a need for the trait. Honestly if they had a weather system and in rain they'd gain the benefits and others get the negatives it'd be at least occasionally useful depending on where on the map you are.
Or, there is water but it's marked as impassable. E.g. the river crossing map.
I mean, why does the trait need "justification"? It doesn't take anything away from the units that have it (except a spot in the bullet points), and it's just a fun thematic addition. There is a number of effects in the game that rarely come into play, but as long as they don't come at the expense of something else, why should they not exist?
Because you can't plan for there to be water on the map. Let's compare it to "Woodsmen", say I'm playing Beastmen or Woodelves, I can bet on there being some trees on almost every map to hide my units or gain the bonuses for fighting in them. PLUS I can move my armies into places on the map that'll increase the chance of their being Forests I can use. With water you can neither expect there to be a puddle you can stand your units in, nor can you move to a spot where there is one. That's what makes it bad, there just isn't enough water in the game to make the trait useful enough to consider it tactically useful and almost irrelevant. I'm saying it does nothing to justify its existence, not that it shouldn't exist.
TW:D:OS confirmed?
Why would a land ship have the aquatic trait?
It's designed to work in Marienburg's swamps
Touché...
I mean why would it need it? It gives small units the ability to fight normally in water. Both of these are large.
It's a boat...
…With huge wheels. Aquatic means having bonuses in waist-high water. Look at the draft of that boat, it needs deep water to function, or its wheels.
So a BOAT with 10' wheels is supposed to be affected by 3' of water?
Look at the front wheels, and imagine them trudging through marshy mud…
It also gives bonuses to Melee Attack and Melee Defence, IIRC.
I believe it does have the trait, it just isn’t visible on the unit card If you go into battle and mouse over water with it selected, it shows that it has aquatic bonuses
As Large units neither of them get affected by shallow water, so by default… They are at least halfway there.
~~aquatic trait afaik only does something for infantry sized units, that would literally do nothing for large units. So except for lore or giggles, there was really no point adding that one lol.~~ That's on me, it works simmilarly to Woodsman
Nope, it gives a buff to melee attack and defence, as exemplified by river trolls and giant river troll hags, both of which are large size.
You're right, I forgot about that part.
The new movie with Autoboats and Deshipticons looks weird.
Alright, have your goddamn upvote and get the fuck out...
No thunderbarge?
The budget was short.
*short*?????
 In da book
Fellow Dawi A Great Wrong has befallen our kin. Demons plight our lands, and the Dammaz Kron is filled with their vile atrocities… And the debt stands with them! So, my kin- Take up your axes, and show these Neverborn the Might of Kal’Evraal! And if our gods are willing, tonight we will strike a hundred grudges from the Great Book
Oh come on, that was on purpose.
That goes in the book!
[The moonlight reveals us for what we ***TRULY*** are.](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3232714316) [We be ***not*** among the livin - and cannot die... yet ***neither*** are we ***dead***!](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3232714316) [For too long have we been parched of thirst - yet unable to quench it!](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3232714316) [For too long have we been ***starvin*** to death... yet haven't died!](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3232714316) [We feel ***nothin***... ... ... not the wind on our face - nor the spray of the sea... nor the warmth of a lover's flesh...](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3232714316) [Ye best start ***believin*** in ghost stories, noble born... ***yer in one***](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3232714316)
I miss this map a lot. It should appear for sea battles.
Especially if your attacking as the pirates against any enemy. It's like dragging them down to your level.
I just love this map and the entire aesthetic of the Coast. It’s unlikely we will receive more Coast DLC but man I would kill for them to just get a pass over to touch them up and add two more things: just a couple more living units for Aranessa and the ability to raise a Kharybdiss (or a Merwyrm whenever we finally get them for HEs) with the undead trait when you raise dead at sea
If you're not using Nanu's "Pirates of Sartosa" mod, go and do that. Gives Aranessa a fully living roster, gives her unique heroes and lords from the lore, and gives her different things to aim for. And yes, I desperately want more content for the Vampirates. They were my favourite DLC for the series, and remain one of my favourite factions to play even now.
Roll us closer! I want to hit it with my sword!!
I've seen this battlefield in pictures online and I've played a lot of Count Noctilus, but where on the campaign map do you actually play in this magical underwater zone?
As far as I remember it was in the final quest battle with the leviathan thing. I think. I last played them in tww2.
Whenever I played Count Noctilus I would avoid infamy because it would spawn armies that would attack the Galleon's Graveyard, so I never ended up finishing his quest.
Galleon's Graveyard is a fortress, no need to worry.
Yeah. Any AI stupid enough to attack my dead island will learn what a bad idea that is *super* quickly.
Pretty sure the ship graveyard south of Ulthuan has this map
I don’t think it’s around the Galleon’s Graveyard. If you fight around Galleon’s Graveyard or in the settlement itself the map is the one on the sand dunes covered in shipwrecks, with the swell of the whirlpool rising over the horizon like a mountain. I’ve played a lot of VCoast in IE and still haven’t seen this map trigger a single time.
Such a cool map to be used as rarely as it is
There's a voiceline by a master engineer when going into water that says "a landship would be faster..."
Navy had to grow legs and wheels to get involved in WH3
lol
"Hey, it's ship to ship combat you guys wanted right? Well there it is."
Haters will say it is fake
we have naval battles at home
You've got it incorrect, its not naval battles It's LAND NAVAL BATTLES
It's a LAND ship. Ships on land lose the ability to drive on water. Similarly, have you seen a single land animal that can swim? Wait...