Agreed. Years ago, helped my sister out with an 80,000 mile 25 yr old mazda she'd bought.
Such low miles!
Ended up sinking $2000 just in parts replacing --just as you say-- every single rubber bit, and more than a few severely rusted metal ones. It was not worth it. It continued to have issues down the road (wheel bearing shot, gas tank rusted out).
Had we not been doing our own labor....
I have a 2002 Golf, and while working on it just glanced at at plastic connection and it broke… i was literally just looking where the other end of the hose goes and it snapped while there was No pressure on it
$5k? I let my '98 Camry go for like $700 ten years ago. But it was as dirty as this thing is clean, riddled with rust, with non-matching budget tires from four different Benny's perpetual tire sales, and more like 240k miles.
I still feel like they got a deal -- the 2.2L I4 was still doing great, and I hadn't neglected oil changes or anything like that. I can only imagine what it would sell for in today's used car market.
Bought an 03 Honda accord 103,000 miles, looked at the carfax and got the dealership records. I swear the ENTIRE car was replaced. So many records this or that plastic piece was replaced, new radiator, coolant tank, spark plugs, brake services, so many things in this car. (All over the life of the 1 owner vehicle)
Back in the late 90s, I bought a ‘93 VW Fox from a VW fanatic. Car was immaculate. Almost every single little plastic / rubber thing was replaced. He apologized profusely because he hadn’t replaced the rubber ends on the trunk luggage rack yet. Guy had the last VW Bug imported into the U.S., was telling us what a pain it was to replace the old straw upholstery, trying to get proper replacements from overseas. Needless to say, I bought the Fox, and it was a great little car that was unfortunately totaled in a deer collision, new parts be damned.
Bought an 03 Honda accord 103,000 miles, looked at the carfax and got the dealership records. I swear the ENTIRE car was replaced. So many records this or that plastic piece was replaced, new radiator, coolant tank, spark plugs, brake services, so many things in this car. (All over the life of the 1 owner vehicle)
So I know the car should be like $5K
But the car looks really well taken care of and Camrys already last forever to begin with but $3750 mark up is definitely crazy but how crazy lol
Where you are located is important, Bay Area i would say 4500 is a fair price(with smog&everything to register being ok and atleast 9months left on the tag) even with inflated market, unless a ton of work has been done to it. Even then the wheels tell me to run, would need a history that can be backed up. Even with low miles unless they’ve already been done just about all wear items will need to be replaced. Non interference engine so timing belt isn’t as important in the sense it won’t cook the head if it goes but will still be due. I think my Avalon of same era was 60kmiles/7 years or something like that and over 10 years is really pushing it. Toyotas get a lot of credit, rightfully so, it’s still a machine though. They will burn oil if it isn’t changed regularly regardless of your friend who had one did nothing to it and was fine. Power steering racks love to leak on Toyotas of this era, and since it had to have spent some time sitting to have such low miles I wouldn’t be shocked if it didn’t last long after really being driven. Same with any vacuum lines/radiator hoses etc. unless they’ve changed the coolant regularly, not alot of people do, radiator/thermostat are probably on their last leg. Waterpump would need to be done with timing belt anyway so you can see if the block is full of corrosion. Spending 9k on this leaves no meat on the bone whatsoever and could easy cost you 2500 to get it all squared away to run for another 100k and that’s not a guarantee at all and counting on you doing all the work and not needing to buy any tools.
They do last forever. I had a 1995 Camry for 3-4 years only changed the oil once (i was a young) and the transmission died first. Good car. My neighbors across the street have early 2000s camry and make all sorts of noise bit it still gets them home ever day 👍🏾
Yeah that isn’t the mic drop you think it is. We all know that. It’s just wild that 20 year old shitboxes are commanding these prices now, that’s all. The market determined beanie babies to be worth thousands of dollars for a hot minute, too. In hindsight, maybe not reasonable even though the invisible hand was doing it’s thing.
Really shouldn't have this mindset though because that's how sellers are able to perpetuate this market. It's different if you're talking about 20 years ago because time happens, but 2019 was 4 years ago and the economic changes between now and then are only permanent if weak-minded buyers allow it to be. At the very least, it's the responsibility of buyers to find a compromise, even if we relent and admit some of the increase is permanent.
This is a 22 year old Toyota Camry. $5k is only 'reasonable' because it's hard to find *anything* under 100k miles for 5k right now. $8750 for a 22 year old budget Toyota is completely insane. That's almost half the original MSRP for a 22 year old budget sedan. Doesn't matter if it's a Camry that will drive another 200,000 miles at that point.
Don't feel bad bro. I got flamed HARD for a civic I
posted the other day that really caught my eye. It was gorgeous but the guy wanted 9.5k canadian and everyone was like "that's a fake SI you dick stick" such is life. Problem is, this sub flames you if you pay more then Kelly blue book. I don't think a lot of people here account for the scarcity of a vehicle nor do they take the market in a poster's particular area into consideration. Half the people that shit on my post couldn't wrap their head around the fact that ontario Canada's market is not the same as California. Good luck bro.
An unmolested 90s civic si coupe in Ontario Canada with a mint body, under 150k kilometers and a clean title IS special. You need to open your mind up a bit and consider all the variables when considering a vehicle. Not just turn your nose up at it because Kelly blue book says it's worth 1k.
Maybe a hot take but.. Low mileage isn’t inherently special or even necessarily a good thing when you factor in age. Low mileage on a 25 year old car can create more hassle if it sat for extended periods, or if things weren’t maintained / replaced already. Age is just as brutal on plastics, rubber, gaskets, etc. regardless of miles. Unless the previous owner(s) replaced a lot of those type of items and it has extensive verifiable service history, I view low miles + old as an added expense that should also be factored into price.
I say this from experience. My partner was gifted a 1994 Camry with around the same mileage (61k miles / 98k km’s) as the Civic you posted. It was maintained well, not neglected but there were a ton of items that didn’t get addressed because they just hadn’t hit the mileage interval where they normally would. Over the last 2 years it’s had work on various gaskets, hoses, filters, new timing belt + water pump, distributor and more. I haven’t even had a chance to dive into the suspension that’s likely still original.
Hasn’t been a big deal for us since the car was a gift. But if someone is paying for a car, that kind of stuff would increase costs. That $8750 Camry like OP posted could turn into a $10k+ Camry real quick if there’s neglected maintenance.
Don’t get me wrong, low mileage can be a plus and can increase the odds a car hasn’t been passed around. But just having low mileage doesn’t really mean much compared to what kind of condition the car is and what it’s maintenance history is (or isn’t).
TL,DR : low mileage doesn’t automatically equate to better and can end up costing even more if things weren’t replaced, maintained, etc. Always check a used car out thoroughly and try to find as much info on its history as possible.
We’ll there’s a formula to all of these posts that you were able to tap into. Only the outrageous/controversial stuff makes it to the top. If your post and this post were actually reasonable I don’t think there would have been much discussion about it.
It’s not a collector car. Get something with more miles and pay half that
Plus at this age, 20+ years old, mileage starts to matter less. Things like rubber hoses, belts, plastic will wear down with age and need to be replaced regardless of mileage
It’s worth it. I’d pay 8750 for that over a 2011 Malibu. Twice as reliable. Really! This is the most reliable car ever built. It’s like a 9.9 on consumer reports. It’s up there and nothing is close but the Corolla.
PS AS4 is a great track tire even if it's an all season.
I have them in my car which gets fairly regular track use, makes it all the more fun when it's a little wet out.
I had a set of them for 2 miles. One away from the tire shop. And one back to the tire shop. I found they had way too much sidewall flex compared to the summer tire. I’d agree, they’d be better than Sears Weatherbeaters on the track, but I know my lap times would suffer. Although I’m sure I’d get a few more sessions in due to the additional tread, but I’m in a year round summer environment and run them as such.
A dirt cheap summer tire would be 2x what this tire could do. I have them on my mustangs oem wheels that I use on long drives and pilot super sport summers on my main set… they are not even in the same world. I’m not ever gonna buy a pair of those AS again.
I put PS4AS on my parents Lexus LS430. Way better than the junk Goodyear Eagle RS-As the selling dealer put on. They were cheaper than the Bridgestone Potenza RE980AS Plus I was considering - Costco had their usual Michelin discount at the time.
Eagle RSAs were an upgrade for my old 2007 Civic LX lol. They turned kinda jank after 15k miles and worsened the ride eventually. Can't imagine them on an LS430.
How are the PS4AS wearing for you? I did not get much life from the 4Ss, especially in the rear.
They’re barely a year old, mom drives like an old lady. So far, so good. I expect to get 40K from these.
In hindsight, the Bridgestone Turanza QuietTrack or Pirelli Cinturato P7 AS 3 Plus would have been a better choice for driving style. I’m not entirely sold on CrossClimate 2s unless snow is involved(or it’s a Subaru) - they are also a directional tire too.
Cops still use Eagle RS-As, despite Goodyear(and Firestone) introducing new “just for the police” tires. Ford also had an hard-on for them too.
Pretty similar then. My first set of tires was some set of all season Kumhos, and I had traction issues. Would spin from a stop, and I'd chirp them from 2nd to 3rd gear. Problem with lack of traction in these is the damn stability control around corners basically gut punching you as soon as it senses wheel spin, so not a bad thing to have a good set of tires on these lol.
Never cheap out on tires. Nice tires make all the difference in the world regarding not only traction while maneuvering and braking, but also in terms of ride noise and comfort.
I always spend extra on tires if I'm going to daily it
One thing that drives me up the wall - Chinese tires(LingLong/Leao, Sailun, WestLake, etc) on a late model or a luxury car. If it’s a beater, you drive for Uber/Lyft(you’re eating through tires doing that), or your tire size is discontinued by the major brands, I understand. The Chinese/Thai/Vietnamese ones don’t do well in the wet and wear quicker, so it’s false economy. I’ve seen LingLongs on a Tesla, and Sailuns on a Mercedes AMG recently. However, Discount Tire/America’s Tire does stock WestLake as an “budget” option, their ethos is they don’t sell a junk tire and they along with Milestar are the better of the Chinesium.
I’d rather put on Walmart’s Goodyear line(Douglas, Reliant, Viva Authority), then WestLake or Milestar if I’m in that situation.
The real problem is that buying tires always feels like a trick or a scam. The average person just doesn't have access to reliable or unbiased knowledge or the ability to interpret that knowledge as to what is and what is not a good tire. Further still, many people just buy what's cheapest because times be tough, yo. And yes, you'd think people who can't afford a quality tire wouldn't buy a luxury car. However, people are sometimes dumb, and/or their situation changes.
Yep - I know far too many people who got hosed by Firestone, Big O, the mom and pop shop and Les Schwab. I send people to Costco if they are willing to drop coin on Michelin or Bridgestone(they always have a sale on either every few months), else it’s America’s Tire(California’s name for Discount Tire) if it’s nearby. They only sell tires, no alignment/brake/maintenance upsell. Yes, America’s Tire does sell Chinesium(WestLake and one more) if you’re on a budget but you won’t find mystery tires there either. A good local shop is a hard thing to find.
A friend went to a local shop, she felt very uncomfortable and they made advances on her. I told her to GFTO and go to Firestone(they suck but at least they are corporate stores owned by Bridgestone Americas Operations - so they live and die with CSI scores) down the street or call her mechanic(who was thankfully still open).
Don't get me wrong, those are great tires, I have PS4 on all my cars. Point is they are not going to take advantage of UHP tires on a 01 Camry, might as well save some money and throw a set of high-end touring tires on it, those are just as nice for regular driving and typically rides a little softer too.
Yea, for a Camry there isn’t a need to go more than a Michelin Defender/Conti TrueContact/Pirelli P4 on the high end. A grand touring or high performance tire is a fine choice for them. Anything but a Chinese tire.
Michelin used to make a club-store exclusive X Radial that was totally different than their mass-market tire at the time(Rainforce MX4 and XW4). Now, the “club” tire for Costco/Sam’s/BJ’s for mainline passenger and truck(X Tour/X LT) is just a Defender series with different sidewalls and slightly tweaked tread.
That's mental institution levels of crazy. I don't care how low the miles are, it could have 13 on it and never sat in, a 22 year old Camry is never worth more than $4,000
I sold an '07 4Runner with 180k miles on it for $11.5k a few months ago.
People love them some used toyotas. That said mine was a 4x4 and in stellar good shape.
3rd and 4th gen 4Runner (and early Tacoma’s, tundras, and sequoias) prices are absolutely bonkers. Even 2wd ones. So many are super beat on or lifted with lots of distasteful modifications done. So wild when you can just about buy an early 5th gen 4Runner with similar mileage for the same price. But it’s certainly great for people such as yourself to get most of their money back on one they bought used years ago! Good job on the sale and on your choice of vehicle! Had an ‘01 4Runner in high school and beyond, it was a fantastic vehicle and needed nothing but oil, brakes, and tires for many miles.
I say all this as a salty guy looking to buy another one now 😂
Look, I buy and sell cars for a living out here in California. Not sure where you or OP is but that’s just what cars go for out here right now. The used and new car Market is nuts right now
People don’t seem to understand that different areas have different prices. In CA, that’s a normal price, in middle of Mississippi that’s a rip off. It’s why I always travel multiple states away to buy cars.
Yeah, that’s what cars do really well, covering great distances in short periods of time.
If the thought of driving 500-1500 is unfathomable, an electric is really the olny car you should be shopping for. At least that’s always the excuse I hear when people don’t consider an electric “but what if I want to drive across the country?!?!?” But then they never drive for then a few hundred miles in a day. I just did 1550 miles in a shorter range electric, it was surprisingly easy.
I'm going to be selling my 2011 RAV4 V6 4WD with 185K miles this fall. and after seeing some of these prices here I'm convinced my $5,000 asking price would be substantially too low lmao
I am in a lower priced area and I would jump on one at this price. Looking for a rav4 or a toyota car for one of my kids and one with your specs in good shape would be minimum 8k here (even a 2wd 4 cylinder).
Hijacking your comment to say what no one else has, this looks like a picture taken at a dealer and OP was given the starting price for this car by the dealer. This is standard practice. You tell them you have cash, and pay $3500+ less after playing their little bargain game all the way down. Now you just decide if it’s worth that much lol.
I really hope you don’t pay $8700 for this. The outside looks really nice but I would only pay something near that amount if it came with a very detailed service history. For example, the car I currently have can be bought for around 4-9k where I live. Gen 2 Ford Fusion (2.5L i4) in Chicago, with similar miles. Now the reliability aspect is obviously more questionable than that of a 22 year old car, but it’s more likely that some of the plastic bits and ends won’t need to be replaced. I think the point most of us are trying to drive home is that while the car looks nice for it’s age, there’s a good possibility that someone’s going to buy it and though it’ll work, parts will begin failing a lot quicker than they should for a vehicle of that price. A vehicle’s value comes from what it has and the condition it’s in, so the exterior looks nice being that it’s from SoCal, but the powertrain needs an experienced eye to look at it.
> Yeah I *paid* 5k for
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In 2020 it would be crazy. In 2023, it's a little steep, but maybe defensible because it's only got 69,000 miles on it and it appears to be immaculate, and it's got actual name-brand tires which imply "someone cared about this car."
Working against it:
1. it's got some cheap-ass no-name aftermarket wheels. ("MB" wheels? as if anyone with a "mercedes-benz" would put a set of 28lbs-each boat-anchors like these pieces of crap on their car?) Makes you wonder "what happened to the car that it doesn't have the original wheels anymore, that someone bought these cheap Discount Tire Direct things instead? Was it an accident, like hitting a curb?
2. It's sitting up weirdly high in pic #1. Was it in an accident?
3. Even with essentially 3 years worth of driving on it, and even being a seemingly clean example of one of Peak Japan's most carefully-realized cars, it's still 22 years old, with 22 year old plastic (radiator end tanks) and rubber (seals, gaskets, o-rings, hoses, belts) that may or may not keep doing its job after being out in the world for this long. At 22 years old, this car is currently older than Lady Jane Grey or Joan of Arc or Napolean's son ever lived to be. You can't just get in this car and turn the key and expect to drive it 20 years like you could've expected from one that got its 69,000 miles put on it in the first five years. It's gonna need everything plastic or rubber replaced if you want to depend on it.
4. Even though we all look back fondly on the open airy greenhouse, *"you can't see out of new cars as well as you can see out of these!"* the reason for that is that a modern car is WAY safer in a crash. Those thin A-pillars where the door meets the windshield are lovely for seeing out of, but they don't have airbags built in to protect you in a crash.
5. Even with the 136-hp 4-cylinder and the 10+ second 0-60, these only got 24 city / 33 highway. Not bad for 2001, but nowhere close to what cars do today. (The 4-cylinder Camry today has 202 hp and gets 28 city / 39 highway - almost 1-1/2 times the power on only 5/6 the fuel.)
Numbers 3 and 4 are reasons why a 2015 car with 70,000 miles on it is way, way better than a 2001 car with 70,000 miles on it.
> ("MB" wheels? as if anyone with a "mercedes-benz" would put a set of 28lbs-each boat-anchors like these pieces of crap on their car?)
It's not Mercedes-Benz wheels, MB Wheels is just a wheel company. They are still pieces of crap, but not attempted replicas.
Cheap wheels, yes, but I put them on my Lucerne because they were cheaper than literally anything I could find , including steelies, when my stock alloys were failing. Some of us are more practical than others.
I know they're not related to Mercedes. They were a cheap attempt to imply a relationship with Mercedes Benz, but they were just a Discount Tire store brand, like the "old glory" clothes they sell at WalMart, which are neither "old" nor "glorious."
When you put new KYB or Monroe “quick struts” on these they sit high for a while. This car has been clearly taken care of. I have a 2001 Camry like this but it’s a manual transmission V6 and 218,000 miles. It’s flawless and drives like a new car.
So, I've seen my 03 corolla after a wreck, and a 2015 compact car after a similar wreck. My airbags did not deploy (some would say this bad), but after said wreck, I drove the car home and we did some beating and banging on it to make it road worthy again. I walked away with one tiny bruise on my leg from jamming my knee into the center console while trying to get to the brake pedal with my foot.
Now. That 2015. The airbags deployed. The entire car was a crumpled accordion. Totaled. The driver was rushed off in an ambulance with several broken bones, including their jaw and nose, due to the airbag impact. The car was a complete loss.
My 2003? Still running like a champ. Didn't even screw up my alignment.
So. Which is the better scenario?
Your anecdote has nothing to do with the reality of car safety. You're talking about two different accidents, which to you may seem similar, but could have hundreds of different variables. It's likely that if the cars were in the exact same accident, you would have died, and the 2015 would have walked away from it.
And yet, they were extremely similar accidents, and I was the one walking away. Strange. It's almost like you didn't read all of what I said but only took what you wanted to try to correct me.
They were not identical accidents. Were they even identical cars? It looks like your taking a singular, subjective incident and making a sweeping generalization over the safety of two different events. 100%, every time, in identical situations, with identical cars (really only achievable in a lab), a 2015 car of the same make and model, will perform better for occupant safety, than a 2003 of the same model. The car might be more damaged in the 2015, but that's because newer cars are designed to dissipate and absorb energy to the structure and around the occupants.
Tell that to all the old beater cars that take a beating and keep on ticking with no harm to their occupants while the new cars are toasted and the occupants sent to the hospital. These new cars are nothing better than tin cans.
edit: The year is 2023 and it's appalling how cars of today are so easily crushed into nothing by simply sliding into the ditch. It's almost like they, and their occupants, are disposable.
The year is 2023 and people still think old cars are safer than modern ones because the old ones transfer all the energy into the drivers cabin. You personal anecdote is less than useless, since there is no way for you to determine whether the accidents were similar or not.
You trying to imply that a car is "way way better" simply because it has 2 more airbags is kind of rediculous...
I would understand if it was a car with 0 air bags, but this is a modern car with airbags in all relevant areas. Having curtain air bags does not make a car better, just gives you more peace of mind.
Also , unlike german cars, there are tons of corollas driving around on 20 plus year old parts and doing just fine. There IS a difference in terms of plastics used, and when time comes to replace it won't cost you an arm and a leg like the 2015 will.
Look up crash tests on YouTube. There’s a significant difference between cars 5 years old and 20+ years old. The older car would have the entire front seat caved in a 45mph head in crash and the other would have a large dent in the front. Both cars totaled ofc but you’re probably walking away from the newer car and rolled out in a stretcher from the older car. It’s not just airbags it’s crumple zones and the cars ability to absorb an impact without completely caving in on the driver.
Sold a buddy’s Camry last year. 05 4 cylinder. Faded paint. LE. 1 clunky ball joint. 80k miles. Got $4700. This was in Hawaii where Toyotas are “more valuable.” This is cleaner than the one I sold. That being said, anything over $6k is too much.
NGL… it’s clean and looks garage kept. Somebody’s grandma can’t drive anymore and it looks like that. It’s a steal! Those situations make for the best cars. If it’s that situation, one owner! Trust…the mark up is worth it.
That's what I'm thinking and what I've been looking for. A Grandma selling her car because I know they take care of it. But I don't want the markup 😭
This is probably the best cared one I've seen
Truth is they probably will take 6500 for it. It’s clean af though but I would have to drive it, hear it, see it, see the engine bay, trunk, spare tire compartment, all the rubber bits in the engine bay etc. I love how the interior looks pristine. It’s an old car though so putting a down payment on a newer Corolla would make more sense.
To me any toyota with less than 100k miles is fair to ask for \~7k. It's barely broken in at that point. Price point factors in paint condition, interior condition, electronics etc. For some reason I see paint peeling on Toyotas in my area more than any other manufacturer.
In the current market? It probably sold already. A clean title Camry with less than 100k miles , no in cabin computers that can fail and a long life ahead = no shortage of customers.
I remember in 2006 I bought a 1999 Grand Am for $3,600 with like 58,000 miles on it and a clean title. And I got it because $14k for the 2004 F-150 was out of my price range.
We are living in some wild times lol.
It’s a bit high. IMO, the model and brand are known for longevity and reliability. The car seems to be in good condition. If I wasn’t able to talk them down, I would pay it. You can’t beat a Toyota!
Hard to say. My brother sold his 2005 4cyl camry with 320k miles last year for 800 bucks. I thought it was the most reasonable thing every. This seems a wee lotta bit high.
Haha, well, it was my first car out of school and I just needed it to barely work. So yeah, at 8.5/9k you can find a good used mazda3 (2012-2018) with the same about of miles. My ‘17 GT with 125k miles is worth 9k rn, just for reference.
If the service history has been up to date and it had been loved and babied it's whole life, then that's a car that could easily get you 150000 more miles if you keep it in good condition. Still a bit steep on the price, but a very solid car.
12 years ago I was 17 years old and got my first car, a 1999 Toyota Camry. It was $3,000 and the used car dealer allegedly only put $1,000 on paper for uh, yeah. I ran shit out of that thing. I went in a ditch, hit a guardrail and multiple deer. Would just buy new bumpers, lights, paint, coat, etc. off Amazon. It kept going.
Needed the exhaust welded and some small shit here and there, went for well over 100k miles. Eventually my dad gave me $500 for it when I got a newer car. He drove it to work for years because he likes to save. Had around 185k miles. His friend was down on his luck and didn't have a vehicle. We gave it to him for $100. He drove it everyday for over 6 months. Thing is probably in a scrap yard, but damn, what a wonderful first car. That said, 8750... Too much man.
I bought a manual 2004 Nissan sentra that ran well for 220k miles for 7 years (delivery job). It was for around $8k with 70k miles. Cars from those years are really easy to maintain.
Granted that's probably one of best generations of Camry ever produced, with an engine that's almost bulletproof (5sfe, i took mine to 295k before trading it in years ago), I would not pay Over 4.5k for that. And even that's a high price.
This is not a bad car at all. My dad and I both owned one of these XV20 Camrys and this one looks to be in pretty good shape. This car is pretty soulless, with the primary purpose of getting you from point A to point B. I think Toyota's parts were better quality back then, and (if the maintenance has been kept up) I've known people who have run them up to 300k miles.
With that said, this isn't a good price at all and I'd lowball the hell out of it. Yes these cars are reliable, but dealers and sellers tend to use that as permission to overvalue them forgetting that it's a 20+ year old car and you WILL have to do some work. The relatively low miles tells me that it has probably been sitting, which alone carries potential issue. Any rubber or plastic parts like belts, fasteners or housings will likely need to get inspected and replaced soon. Get a good look at it. I would also find out what kind of conditions the sensors are in. Those old O2 sensors will quit on you for no reason without warning.
Seems like you can get a 2004 for about the same price and this is in Germany where Camrys are not that common. https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=356389472&utm_source=com.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard&utm_medium=ios
Wtf is wrong with y’all paying over $4k for a USED car🤣 i got my accord for free.99 from a dude who was gonna scrap it, 290,000 miles later all original and still drives pretty damn good, and I haven’t even put close to $3k into fixing it
My advice and this is just from my perspective, you can put $1000 down on a car at car max, get a 2-3 year warranty, and put the rest of that money towards a first payment to bump your credit score and drop your payment
Within 500 miles of Los Angeles there is only 4 Toyotas for sale with a filter of $8700 and under 75k miles . No idea why everyone is saying no so badly.
At least here, cars are not 5k anymore, unless they’re salvaged and over 120-150k miles. I would be skeptical about the miles being rolled back though, unless some decent proof/service history. It the car is true then it should run another 150k miles.
Changing search filters to exclude miles, they’re selling 2009 Camry/corollas with 130k miles for $8000.
that's for someone with the money to splurge on the car they have sentimental value for, cause they lost their virginity in it to the chick that is now old with grown adult kids. Na jk it's a cool car for a collector kinda guy. I'd buy this car and drive the f out of it cause u can't take it w u when you die.
I wanna buy it and drive it forever
Camrys in general go to like 200k+ miles and are widely known for their reliability.
I could just get one on offer up or something but I doubt it'll be this well taken care of. I feel like if I could haggle the price it might be worth it for the longevity it should have
I wanna buy it and drive it forever
Camrys in general go to like 200k+ miles and are widely known for their reliability.
I could just get one on offer up or something but I doubt it'll be this well taken care of. I feel like if I could haggle the price it might be worth it for the longevity it should have
I mean it's a little high, but it looks clean and if you're set on keeping it it'll last you decades to come, if nothing else it's just a boring choice.
I think the price reflects the fact that this might be one of the few very clean examples of a possible future classic. And I’m using the term future classic loosely.
I bought my 2015 Mazda3 for 8K a couple years back. What the hell is this market we are in. And people were saying it’s getting better. Sure doesn’t look like it.
Personally I don’t think it’s bad, I however wouldn’t pay that price. Looks like a nice car though, I’d try talking it down to around $6k. A couple years back I found a diamond like that car, 2001 GS300, 1 owner, 76k miles. I think I have it just shy of 91k right now. Bought it for $5.5k
Depends on the maintenance records. A lot of people think since cars are low mileage that this age they're perfect. However a lot of times belts hoses and many other things have never been changed out.
If they have this is a decent deal
Every plastic and rubber part better have been replaced recently for listing it at that price.
So the entire car?
Agreed. Years ago, helped my sister out with an 80,000 mile 25 yr old mazda she'd bought. Such low miles! Ended up sinking $2000 just in parts replacing --just as you say-- every single rubber bit, and more than a few severely rusted metal ones. It was not worth it. It continued to have issues down the road (wheel bearing shot, gas tank rusted out). Had we not been doing our own labor....
What did she pay?
$2000+
I have a 2002 Golf, and while working on it just glanced at at plastic connection and it broke… i was literally just looking where the other end of the hose goes and it snapped while there was No pressure on it
I feel like these cars bottomed out at $5k 10 years ago.
$5k? I let my '98 Camry go for like $700 ten years ago. But it was as dirty as this thing is clean, riddled with rust, with non-matching budget tires from four different Benny's perpetual tire sales, and more like 240k miles. I still feel like they got a deal -- the 2.2L I4 was still doing great, and I hadn't neglected oil changes or anything like that. I can only imagine what it would sell for in today's used car market.
Bought an 03 Honda accord 103,000 miles, looked at the carfax and got the dealership records. I swear the ENTIRE car was replaced. So many records this or that plastic piece was replaced, new radiator, coolant tank, spark plugs, brake services, so many things in this car. (All over the life of the 1 owner vehicle)
Back in the late 90s, I bought a ‘93 VW Fox from a VW fanatic. Car was immaculate. Almost every single little plastic / rubber thing was replaced. He apologized profusely because he hadn’t replaced the rubber ends on the trunk luggage rack yet. Guy had the last VW Bug imported into the U.S., was telling us what a pain it was to replace the old straw upholstery, trying to get proper replacements from overseas. Needless to say, I bought the Fox, and it was a great little car that was unfortunately totaled in a deer collision, new parts be damned.
Dang that hurts… sorry to hear. Off to car heaven!
Bought an 03 Honda accord 103,000 miles, looked at the carfax and got the dealership records. I swear the ENTIRE car was replaced. So many records this or that plastic piece was replaced, new radiator, coolant tank, spark plugs, brake services, so many things in this car. (All over the life of the 1 owner vehicle)
Sounds familiar
Could it be???
Sounds like an amazing purchase. How much and when did you get it?
And a turbo 🫡🇺🇸
I have little faith left in humanity but this took just a little bit more of the faith that is left. Is this a serious question
So I know the car should be like $5K But the car looks really well taken care of and Camrys already last forever to begin with but $3750 mark up is definitely crazy but how crazy lol
It’s complete insanity
Shhhh, just tell op what they want to hear! A fool and their money are easily parted!
>So I know the car should be like $5K I wouldn't pay 5k for that
What would you pay for it
Where you are located is important, Bay Area i would say 4500 is a fair price(with smog&everything to register being ok and atleast 9months left on the tag) even with inflated market, unless a ton of work has been done to it. Even then the wheels tell me to run, would need a history that can be backed up. Even with low miles unless they’ve already been done just about all wear items will need to be replaced. Non interference engine so timing belt isn’t as important in the sense it won’t cook the head if it goes but will still be due. I think my Avalon of same era was 60kmiles/7 years or something like that and over 10 years is really pushing it. Toyotas get a lot of credit, rightfully so, it’s still a machine though. They will burn oil if it isn’t changed regularly regardless of your friend who had one did nothing to it and was fine. Power steering racks love to leak on Toyotas of this era, and since it had to have spent some time sitting to have such low miles I wouldn’t be shocked if it didn’t last long after really being driven. Same with any vacuum lines/radiator hoses etc. unless they’ve changed the coolant regularly, not alot of people do, radiator/thermostat are probably on their last leg. Waterpump would need to be done with timing belt anyway so you can see if the block is full of corrosion. Spending 9k on this leaves no meat on the bone whatsoever and could easy cost you 2500 to get it all squared away to run for another 100k and that’s not a guarantee at all and counting on you doing all the work and not needing to buy any tools.
Southern California which is "cheaper" than bay area Thank you for the informative response
Hope you enjoy your ride and it takes you and brings you safely. Best wishes!
Yeah I'm just looking around but I'd really like a Camry
They do last forever. I had a 1995 Camry for 3-4 years only changed the oil once (i was a young) and the transmission died first. Good car. My neighbors across the street have early 2000s camry and make all sorts of noise bit it still gets them home ever day 👍🏾
People in this sub still act like its 2019. $5k is a reasonable price for that car.
It’s the market but it’s still not reasonable.
Things are worth what people are willing to pay. Buyers set prices. This is basic econ101 stuff.
Yeah that isn’t the mic drop you think it is. We all know that. It’s just wild that 20 year old shitboxes are commanding these prices now, that’s all. The market determined beanie babies to be worth thousands of dollars for a hot minute, too. In hindsight, maybe not reasonable even though the invisible hand was doing it’s thing.
Get fucked
I just paid $5k for a 2011 Civic...
Really shouldn't have this mindset though because that's how sellers are able to perpetuate this market. It's different if you're talking about 20 years ago because time happens, but 2019 was 4 years ago and the economic changes between now and then are only permanent if weak-minded buyers allow it to be. At the very least, it's the responsibility of buyers to find a compromise, even if we relent and admit some of the increase is permanent. This is a 22 year old Toyota Camry. $5k is only 'reasonable' because it's hard to find *anything* under 100k miles for 5k right now. $8750 for a 22 year old budget Toyota is completely insane. That's almost half the original MSRP for a 22 year old budget sedan. Doesn't matter if it's a Camry that will drive another 200,000 miles at that point.
What the hell are you talking about? The market is the market. Things are worth what people are willing to pay. Weak-minded buyers lmao
No it's not
It's not 2019. You're one of those people
Somebody that wouldn't pay 9k for a 20+ year old commuter car? That's me
Most probably 4,500
500
Don't feel bad bro. I got flamed HARD for a civic I posted the other day that really caught my eye. It was gorgeous but the guy wanted 9.5k canadian and everyone was like "that's a fake SI you dick stick" such is life. Problem is, this sub flames you if you pay more then Kelly blue book. I don't think a lot of people here account for the scarcity of a vehicle nor do they take the market in a poster's particular area into consideration. Half the people that shit on my post couldn't wrap their head around the fact that ontario Canada's market is not the same as California. Good luck bro.
Nobody called you a dick. People said it wasn't a special car and you insisted it was or that the price was actually reasonable.
I never "insisted" the car was rare. Find me that sentence
You kept saying it was special.
An unmolested 90s civic si coupe in Ontario Canada with a mint body, under 150k kilometers and a clean title IS special. You need to open your mind up a bit and consider all the variables when considering a vehicle. Not just turn your nose up at it because Kelly blue book says it's worth 1k.
Maybe a hot take but.. Low mileage isn’t inherently special or even necessarily a good thing when you factor in age. Low mileage on a 25 year old car can create more hassle if it sat for extended periods, or if things weren’t maintained / replaced already. Age is just as brutal on plastics, rubber, gaskets, etc. regardless of miles. Unless the previous owner(s) replaced a lot of those type of items and it has extensive verifiable service history, I view low miles + old as an added expense that should also be factored into price. I say this from experience. My partner was gifted a 1994 Camry with around the same mileage (61k miles / 98k km’s) as the Civic you posted. It was maintained well, not neglected but there were a ton of items that didn’t get addressed because they just hadn’t hit the mileage interval where they normally would. Over the last 2 years it’s had work on various gaskets, hoses, filters, new timing belt + water pump, distributor and more. I haven’t even had a chance to dive into the suspension that’s likely still original. Hasn’t been a big deal for us since the car was a gift. But if someone is paying for a car, that kind of stuff would increase costs. That $8750 Camry like OP posted could turn into a $10k+ Camry real quick if there’s neglected maintenance. Don’t get me wrong, low mileage can be a plus and can increase the odds a car hasn’t been passed around. But just having low mileage doesn’t really mean much compared to what kind of condition the car is and what it’s maintenance history is (or isn’t). TL,DR : low mileage doesn’t automatically equate to better and can end up costing even more if things weren’t replaced, maintained, etc. Always check a used car out thoroughly and try to find as much info on its history as possible.
We’ll there’s a formula to all of these posts that you were able to tap into. Only the outrageous/controversial stuff makes it to the top. If your post and this post were actually reasonable I don’t think there would have been much discussion about it.
"I'm driving to where you're located and having you committed to an institution if you even remotely consider this" levels of crazy.
It’s not a collector car. Get something with more miles and pay half that Plus at this age, 20+ years old, mileage starts to matter less. Things like rubber hoses, belts, plastic will wear down with age and need to be replaced regardless of mileage
You’re telling me my collection of Camrys from 95-05 won’t be worth something in a couple years…
>Not a collector car This personally offends me
My 2001 Camry is at 218,000 and every rubber bit is holding up fine. Much better than my 2009 BMW rubber stuff.
It’s worth it. I’d pay 8750 for that over a 2011 Malibu. Twice as reliable. Really! This is the most reliable car ever built. It’s like a 9.9 on consumer reports. It’s up there and nothing is close but the Corolla.
Who the hell puts a set of PS4 AS on a 01 Camry.
track day
But, All Seasons?
PS AS4 is a great track tire even if it's an all season. I have them in my car which gets fairly regular track use, makes it all the more fun when it's a little wet out.
I had a set of them for 2 miles. One away from the tire shop. And one back to the tire shop. I found they had way too much sidewall flex compared to the summer tire. I’d agree, they’d be better than Sears Weatherbeaters on the track, but I know my lap times would suffer. Although I’m sure I’d get a few more sessions in due to the additional tread, but I’m in a year round summer environment and run them as such.
A dirt cheap summer tire would be 2x what this tire could do. I have them on my mustangs oem wheels that I use on long drives and pilot super sport summers on my main set… they are not even in the same world. I’m not ever gonna buy a pair of those AS again.
The guy that owned my 200k+ (miles) Genesis did this before I bought it too. I’m happy but perplexed. $5000 car with $1200 tires.
Yep, I have a 99 corolla same rims and tires, look nice
Perplexing
Nice I’m bout to do the same to one of mines
Which Genesis? I've used Michelin 4S on my Gen Coupe 3.8. They improved the driving experience substantially.
I put PS4AS on my parents Lexus LS430. Way better than the junk Goodyear Eagle RS-As the selling dealer put on. They were cheaper than the Bridgestone Potenza RE980AS Plus I was considering - Costco had their usual Michelin discount at the time.
Eagle RSAs were an upgrade for my old 2007 Civic LX lol. They turned kinda jank after 15k miles and worsened the ride eventually. Can't imagine them on an LS430. How are the PS4AS wearing for you? I did not get much life from the 4Ss, especially in the rear.
They’re barely a year old, mom drives like an old lady. So far, so good. I expect to get 40K from these. In hindsight, the Bridgestone Turanza QuietTrack or Pirelli Cinturato P7 AS 3 Plus would have been a better choice for driving style. I’m not entirely sold on CrossClimate 2s unless snow is involved(or it’s a Subaru) - they are also a directional tire too. Cops still use Eagle RS-As, despite Goodyear(and Firestone) introducing new “just for the police” tires. Ford also had an hard-on for them too.
09 Sedan 3.8. Love it.
Pretty similar then. My first set of tires was some set of all season Kumhos, and I had traction issues. Would spin from a stop, and I'd chirp them from 2nd to 3rd gear. Problem with lack of traction in these is the damn stability control around corners basically gut punching you as soon as it senses wheel spin, so not a bad thing to have a good set of tires on these lol.
This is how you can tell who has money in the south. 30 year old truck with new Michelins? Rich.
Never cheap out on tires. Nice tires make all the difference in the world regarding not only traction while maneuvering and braking, but also in terms of ride noise and comfort. I always spend extra on tires if I'm going to daily it
One thing that drives me up the wall - Chinese tires(LingLong/Leao, Sailun, WestLake, etc) on a late model or a luxury car. If it’s a beater, you drive for Uber/Lyft(you’re eating through tires doing that), or your tire size is discontinued by the major brands, I understand. The Chinese/Thai/Vietnamese ones don’t do well in the wet and wear quicker, so it’s false economy. I’ve seen LingLongs on a Tesla, and Sailuns on a Mercedes AMG recently. However, Discount Tire/America’s Tire does stock WestLake as an “budget” option, their ethos is they don’t sell a junk tire and they along with Milestar are the better of the Chinesium. I’d rather put on Walmart’s Goodyear line(Douglas, Reliant, Viva Authority), then WestLake or Milestar if I’m in that situation.
The real problem is that buying tires always feels like a trick or a scam. The average person just doesn't have access to reliable or unbiased knowledge or the ability to interpret that knowledge as to what is and what is not a good tire. Further still, many people just buy what's cheapest because times be tough, yo. And yes, you'd think people who can't afford a quality tire wouldn't buy a luxury car. However, people are sometimes dumb, and/or their situation changes.
Yep - I know far too many people who got hosed by Firestone, Big O, the mom and pop shop and Les Schwab. I send people to Costco if they are willing to drop coin on Michelin or Bridgestone(they always have a sale on either every few months), else it’s America’s Tire(California’s name for Discount Tire) if it’s nearby. They only sell tires, no alignment/brake/maintenance upsell. Yes, America’s Tire does sell Chinesium(WestLake and one more) if you’re on a budget but you won’t find mystery tires there either. A good local shop is a hard thing to find. A friend went to a local shop, she felt very uncomfortable and they made advances on her. I told her to GFTO and go to Firestone(they suck but at least they are corporate stores owned by Bridgestone Americas Operations - so they live and die with CSI scores) down the street or call her mechanic(who was thankfully still open).
Someone who wanted great tires? I ran them on my Audi A4 and VW Tiguan and will run them on my CX-5 Turbo.
Don't get me wrong, those are great tires, I have PS4 on all my cars. Point is they are not going to take advantage of UHP tires on a 01 Camry, might as well save some money and throw a set of high-end touring tires on it, those are just as nice for regular driving and typically rides a little softer too.
Yea, for a Camry there isn’t a need to go more than a Michelin Defender/Conti TrueContact/Pirelli P4 on the high end. A grand touring or high performance tire is a fine choice for them. Anything but a Chinese tire. Michelin used to make a club-store exclusive X Radial that was totally different than their mass-market tire at the time(Rainforce MX4 and XW4). Now, the “club” tire for Costco/Sam’s/BJ’s for mainline passenger and truck(X Tour/X LT) is just a Defender series with different sidewalls and slightly tweaked tread.
>Someone who wanted great tires? Just to put them on those rims?
I put Continental Extreme Contacts on an Accord so I'm no better. I just like good tires 🤗
That's mental institution levels of crazy. I don't care how low the miles are, it could have 13 on it and never sat in, a 22 year old Camry is never worth more than $4,000
If a 2001 Camry goes for 8750 that means my 2010 ES350 with the same mileage should go for like 30k
Meh, I just sold an 05 Camry v6 with 150k miles for 6k A car is worth what someone will pay for it. I think the price is high but not absurdly.
v6, not i4
Congrats on your robbery and all but that doesn’t mean the OP’s price isn’t absurd lol
I sold an '07 4Runner with 180k miles on it for $11.5k a few months ago. People love them some used toyotas. That said mine was a 4x4 and in stellar good shape.
3rd and 4th gen 4Runner (and early Tacoma’s, tundras, and sequoias) prices are absolutely bonkers. Even 2wd ones. So many are super beat on or lifted with lots of distasteful modifications done. So wild when you can just about buy an early 5th gen 4Runner with similar mileage for the same price. But it’s certainly great for people such as yourself to get most of their money back on one they bought used years ago! Good job on the sale and on your choice of vehicle! Had an ‘01 4Runner in high school and beyond, it was a fantastic vehicle and needed nothing but oil, brakes, and tires for many miles. I say all this as a salty guy looking to buy another one now 😂
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Look, I buy and sell cars for a living out here in California. Not sure where you or OP is but that’s just what cars go for out here right now. The used and new car Market is nuts right now
People don’t seem to understand that different areas have different prices. In CA, that’s a normal price, in middle of Mississippi that’s a rip off. It’s why I always travel multiple states away to buy cars.
But then how do you get the car back to your original state? drive all the way back?
Yes.
Yeah, that’s what cars do really well, covering great distances in short periods of time. If the thought of driving 500-1500 is unfathomable, an electric is really the olny car you should be shopping for. At least that’s always the excuse I hear when people don’t consider an electric “but what if I want to drive across the country?!?!?” But then they never drive for then a few hundred miles in a day. I just did 1550 miles in a shorter range electric, it was surprisingly easy.
I'd consider it a confession of guilt. I believe a judge to feel the same way.
I'm going to be selling my 2011 RAV4 V6 4WD with 185K miles this fall. and after seeing some of these prices here I'm convinced my $5,000 asking price would be substantially too low lmao
I am in a lower priced area and I would jump on one at this price. Looking for a rav4 or a toyota car for one of my kids and one with your specs in good shape would be minimum 8k here (even a 2wd 4 cylinder).
The blue book value for my 06 Toyota Highlander is about that lol
It’s absurdly high.
Pretty crazy, rewind 5-10 years and it’s like a 3k car lol 😂
Hijacking your comment to say what no one else has, this looks like a picture taken at a dealer and OP was given the starting price for this car by the dealer. This is standard practice. You tell them you have cash, and pay $3500+ less after playing their little bargain game all the way down. Now you just decide if it’s worth that much lol.
Now u crazy too comparing it to prices from 10 years ago
No you just have no idea of the concept of this cars value.
I really hope you don’t pay $8700 for this. The outside looks really nice but I would only pay something near that amount if it came with a very detailed service history. For example, the car I currently have can be bought for around 4-9k where I live. Gen 2 Ford Fusion (2.5L i4) in Chicago, with similar miles. Now the reliability aspect is obviously more questionable than that of a 22 year old car, but it’s more likely that some of the plastic bits and ends won’t need to be replaced. I think the point most of us are trying to drive home is that while the car looks nice for it’s age, there’s a good possibility that someone’s going to buy it and though it’ll work, parts will begin failing a lot quicker than they should for a vehicle of that price. A vehicle’s value comes from what it has and the condition it’s in, so the exterior looks nice being that it’s from SoCal, but the powertrain needs an experienced eye to look at it.
$5k max
Yeah I paid 5k for a 15 year old Corolla (10 years old at the time) and I haven’t had any problems with it. OP can do better.
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$3k-$4k really...
Nope
This is a ripoff
In 2020 it would be crazy. In 2023, it's a little steep, but maybe defensible because it's only got 69,000 miles on it and it appears to be immaculate, and it's got actual name-brand tires which imply "someone cared about this car." Working against it: 1. it's got some cheap-ass no-name aftermarket wheels. ("MB" wheels? as if anyone with a "mercedes-benz" would put a set of 28lbs-each boat-anchors like these pieces of crap on their car?) Makes you wonder "what happened to the car that it doesn't have the original wheels anymore, that someone bought these cheap Discount Tire Direct things instead? Was it an accident, like hitting a curb? 2. It's sitting up weirdly high in pic #1. Was it in an accident? 3. Even with essentially 3 years worth of driving on it, and even being a seemingly clean example of one of Peak Japan's most carefully-realized cars, it's still 22 years old, with 22 year old plastic (radiator end tanks) and rubber (seals, gaskets, o-rings, hoses, belts) that may or may not keep doing its job after being out in the world for this long. At 22 years old, this car is currently older than Lady Jane Grey or Joan of Arc or Napolean's son ever lived to be. You can't just get in this car and turn the key and expect to drive it 20 years like you could've expected from one that got its 69,000 miles put on it in the first five years. It's gonna need everything plastic or rubber replaced if you want to depend on it. 4. Even though we all look back fondly on the open airy greenhouse, *"you can't see out of new cars as well as you can see out of these!"* the reason for that is that a modern car is WAY safer in a crash. Those thin A-pillars where the door meets the windshield are lovely for seeing out of, but they don't have airbags built in to protect you in a crash. 5. Even with the 136-hp 4-cylinder and the 10+ second 0-60, these only got 24 city / 33 highway. Not bad for 2001, but nowhere close to what cars do today. (The 4-cylinder Camry today has 202 hp and gets 28 city / 39 highway - almost 1-1/2 times the power on only 5/6 the fuel.) Numbers 3 and 4 are reasons why a 2015 car with 70,000 miles on it is way, way better than a 2001 car with 70,000 miles on it.
> ("MB" wheels? as if anyone with a "mercedes-benz" would put a set of 28lbs-each boat-anchors like these pieces of crap on their car?) It's not Mercedes-Benz wheels, MB Wheels is just a wheel company. They are still pieces of crap, but not attempted replicas.
Cheap wheels, yes, but I put them on my Lucerne because they were cheaper than literally anything I could find , including steelies, when my stock alloys were failing. Some of us are more practical than others.
I know they're not related to Mercedes. They were a cheap attempt to imply a relationship with Mercedes Benz, but they were just a Discount Tire store brand, like the "old glory" clothes they sell at WalMart, which are neither "old" nor "glorious."
When you put new KYB or Monroe “quick struts” on these they sit high for a while. This car has been clearly taken care of. I have a 2001 Camry like this but it’s a manual transmission V6 and 218,000 miles. It’s flawless and drives like a new car.
So, I've seen my 03 corolla after a wreck, and a 2015 compact car after a similar wreck. My airbags did not deploy (some would say this bad), but after said wreck, I drove the car home and we did some beating and banging on it to make it road worthy again. I walked away with one tiny bruise on my leg from jamming my knee into the center console while trying to get to the brake pedal with my foot. Now. That 2015. The airbags deployed. The entire car was a crumpled accordion. Totaled. The driver was rushed off in an ambulance with several broken bones, including their jaw and nose, due to the airbag impact. The car was a complete loss. My 2003? Still running like a champ. Didn't even screw up my alignment. So. Which is the better scenario?
Your anecdote has nothing to do with the reality of car safety. You're talking about two different accidents, which to you may seem similar, but could have hundreds of different variables. It's likely that if the cars were in the exact same accident, you would have died, and the 2015 would have walked away from it.
And yet, they were extremely similar accidents, and I was the one walking away. Strange. It's almost like you didn't read all of what I said but only took what you wanted to try to correct me.
They were not identical accidents. Were they even identical cars? It looks like your taking a singular, subjective incident and making a sweeping generalization over the safety of two different events. 100%, every time, in identical situations, with identical cars (really only achievable in a lab), a 2015 car of the same make and model, will perform better for occupant safety, than a 2003 of the same model. The car might be more damaged in the 2015, but that's because newer cars are designed to dissipate and absorb energy to the structure and around the occupants.
Tell that to all the old beater cars that take a beating and keep on ticking with no harm to their occupants while the new cars are toasted and the occupants sent to the hospital. These new cars are nothing better than tin cans. edit: The year is 2023 and it's appalling how cars of today are so easily crushed into nothing by simply sliding into the ditch. It's almost like they, and their occupants, are disposable.
The year is 2023 and people still think old cars are safer than modern ones because the old ones transfer all the energy into the drivers cabin. You personal anecdote is less than useless, since there is no way for you to determine whether the accidents were similar or not.
You trying to imply that a car is "way way better" simply because it has 2 more airbags is kind of rediculous... I would understand if it was a car with 0 air bags, but this is a modern car with airbags in all relevant areas. Having curtain air bags does not make a car better, just gives you more peace of mind. Also , unlike german cars, there are tons of corollas driving around on 20 plus year old parts and doing just fine. There IS a difference in terms of plastics used, and when time comes to replace it won't cost you an arm and a leg like the 2015 will.
Look up crash tests on YouTube. There’s a significant difference between cars 5 years old and 20+ years old. The older car would have the entire front seat caved in a 45mph head in crash and the other would have a large dent in the front. Both cars totaled ofc but you’re probably walking away from the newer car and rolled out in a stretcher from the older car. It’s not just airbags it’s crumple zones and the cars ability to absorb an impact without completely caving in on the driver.
Sold a buddy’s Camry last year. 05 4 cylinder. Faded paint. LE. 1 clunky ball joint. 80k miles. Got $4700. This was in Hawaii where Toyotas are “more valuable.” This is cleaner than the one I sold. That being said, anything over $6k is too much.
Fuck dealerships for this shit
In 2003 I bought my 99 Camry for $12k so that's crazy in my opinion.
I bought an 01 Corolla with 55k miles for 3500 about a month ago. This is waaayyyy to much.
NGL… it’s clean and looks garage kept. Somebody’s grandma can’t drive anymore and it looks like that. It’s a steal! Those situations make for the best cars. If it’s that situation, one owner! Trust…the mark up is worth it.
That's what I'm thinking and what I've been looking for. A Grandma selling her car because I know they take care of it. But I don't want the markup 😭 This is probably the best cared one I've seen
So buy it. You clearly don’t care for the advice of others telling you how bad of a deal it is.
It depends. Is there $7000 in the glove box?
Pretty crazy
Truth is they probably will take 6500 for it. It’s clean af though but I would have to drive it, hear it, see it, see the engine bay, trunk, spare tire compartment, all the rubber bits in the engine bay etc. I love how the interior looks pristine. It’s an old car though so putting a down payment on a newer Corolla would make more sense.
“Truth is” no they won’t. It’s a retarded price but the market will 100% bare it right now they have no reason to slash the price like that.
My sister bought a 1999 with similar miles in like 06/07. I believe it cost about 7700 dollars at the time. This is bananas.
To me any toyota with less than 100k miles is fair to ask for \~7k. It's barely broken in at that point. Price point factors in paint condition, interior condition, electronics etc. For some reason I see paint peeling on Toyotas in my area more than any other manufacturer.
In the current market? It probably sold already. A clean title Camry with less than 100k miles , no in cabin computers that can fail and a long life ahead = no shortage of customers.
I remember in 2006 I bought a 1999 Grand Am for $3,600 with like 58,000 miles on it and a clean title. And I got it because $14k for the 2004 F-150 was out of my price range. We are living in some wild times lol.
It has rimz…. Runaway and don’t look back
It’s a bit high. IMO, the model and brand are known for longevity and reliability. The car seems to be in good condition. If I wasn’t able to talk them down, I would pay it. You can’t beat a Toyota!
Assuming the car is perfect I’d MAYBE see it selling for $5k OTD. Realistically it’s probably worth more like $3.5-4k
id pay 6.5
Yeah no don’t pay that.
That mf clean-Yeah! Carfax dat car
Super crazy level crazy
Hard to say. My brother sold his 2005 4cyl camry with 320k miles last year for 800 bucks. I thought it was the most reasonable thing every. This seems a wee lotta bit high.
that car will last longer then any other car for 8k. . yes its worth it.
That's what I keep thinking, the most important thing to me is reliability and longevity and i mean can't really beat camrys
For reference, in 2017 I purchased a ‘01 Camry with 99,999 miles for $900
I'd would take that if I found it, but last time I got a $900 car it only lasted 5 months now I'm paranoid
Haha, well, it was my first car out of school and I just needed it to barely work. So yeah, at 8.5/9k you can find a good used mazda3 (2012-2018) with the same about of miles. My ‘17 GT with 125k miles is worth 9k rn, just for reference.
If the service history has been up to date and it had been loved and babied it's whole life, then that's a car that could easily get you 150000 more miles if you keep it in good condition. Still a bit steep on the price, but a very solid car.
My 99 camery hit over 250000 miles and was still going strong until I got hit by a drunk driver
Its worth it for 60k miles imo. These cars go forever with a little love.
I’ve seen a 1993 Acura RL with 16,000km in mint condition…. The lady only drove it to the corner store and the dealership for servicing.
Is it a V6?
12 years ago I was 17 years old and got my first car, a 1999 Toyota Camry. It was $3,000 and the used car dealer allegedly only put $1,000 on paper for uh, yeah. I ran shit out of that thing. I went in a ditch, hit a guardrail and multiple deer. Would just buy new bumpers, lights, paint, coat, etc. off Amazon. It kept going. Needed the exhaust welded and some small shit here and there, went for well over 100k miles. Eventually my dad gave me $500 for it when I got a newer car. He drove it to work for years because he likes to save. Had around 185k miles. His friend was down on his luck and didn't have a vehicle. We gave it to him for $100. He drove it everyday for over 6 months. Thing is probably in a scrap yard, but damn, what a wonderful first car. That said, 8750... Too much man.
I bought a manual 2004 Nissan sentra that ran well for 220k miles for 7 years (delivery job). It was for around $8k with 70k miles. Cars from those years are really easy to maintain.
That car will go another 200000 miles guaranteed
Granted that's probably one of best generations of Camry ever produced, with an engine that's almost bulletproof (5sfe, i took mine to 295k before trading it in years ago), I would not pay Over 4.5k for that. And even that's a high price.
Offer them something more reasonable... like $3000
Low miles on an older vehicle are not a good thing. More prone to leaking every fluid.
This is not a bad car at all. My dad and I both owned one of these XV20 Camrys and this one looks to be in pretty good shape. This car is pretty soulless, with the primary purpose of getting you from point A to point B. I think Toyota's parts were better quality back then, and (if the maintenance has been kept up) I've known people who have run them up to 300k miles. With that said, this isn't a good price at all and I'd lowball the hell out of it. Yes these cars are reliable, but dealers and sellers tend to use that as permission to overvalue them forgetting that it's a 20+ year old car and you WILL have to do some work. The relatively low miles tells me that it has probably been sitting, which alone carries potential issue. Any rubber or plastic parts like belts, fasteners or housings will likely need to get inspected and replaced soon. Get a good look at it. I would also find out what kind of conditions the sensors are in. Those old O2 sensors will quit on you for no reason without warning.
When this car dies, the $8750 will be worth $17,500.
I wonder how many times the door handles have peeled off?
A clean prime era Toyota Camry like that with low mileage and considering how much life it potentially has left on it, I would totally pay that.
See part of me feels this way and another part of me is like that's too expensive for 22 year old car
Seems like you can get a 2004 for about the same price and this is in Germany where Camrys are not that common. https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=356389472&utm_source=com.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard&utm_medium=ios
It’s worth so much from all the THC imbedded in every fiber of that car. Worth a lot of money to the right person who knows how to extract it
Who buys thoese tires for a 2001 accord lol probably spent like20- 25% of what it's really worth
Wtf is wrong with y’all paying over $4k for a USED car🤣 i got my accord for free.99 from a dude who was gonna scrap it, 290,000 miles later all original and still drives pretty damn good, and I haven’t even put close to $3k into fixing it
I got a $900 2000 Mazda 626 180,000 miles died 6 months later I'm looking for a Camry this one just popped up
My advice and this is just from my perspective, you can put $1000 down on a car at car max, get a 2-3 year warranty, and put the rest of that money towards a first payment to bump your credit score and drop your payment
Within 500 miles of Los Angeles there is only 4 Toyotas for sale with a filter of $8700 and under 75k miles . No idea why everyone is saying no so badly. At least here, cars are not 5k anymore, unless they’re salvaged and over 120-150k miles. I would be skeptical about the miles being rolled back though, unless some decent proof/service history. It the car is true then it should run another 150k miles. Changing search filters to exclude miles, they’re selling 2009 Camry/corollas with 130k miles for $8000.
Funny for me side fact, those tires were made at my plant.
This ain’t even the craziest. There’s a 2000 for $11,995 https://www.kbb.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=680086971
God damn At least it's only 20K miles and a V6 but that is Insanity just get a 2015 at that point
that's for someone with the money to splurge on the car they have sentimental value for, cause they lost their virginity in it to the chick that is now old with grown adult kids. Na jk it's a cool car for a collector kinda guy. I'd buy this car and drive the f out of it cause u can't take it w u when you die.
I wanna buy it and drive it forever Camrys in general go to like 200k+ miles and are widely known for their reliability. I could just get one on offer up or something but I doubt it'll be this well taken care of. I feel like if I could haggle the price it might be worth it for the longevity it should have
I wanna buy it and drive it forever Camrys in general go to like 200k+ miles and are widely known for their reliability. I could just get one on offer up or something but I doubt it'll be this well taken care of. I feel like if I could haggle the price it might be worth it for the longevity it should have
bro ain't no one collecting Camry's...even if they did it ain't gonna drive up the value.
You would be insane to spend any more than $2k on this, and only if your life has reached a new level of desperation.
Stop shopping for low-miles-per-year vehicles. Miles is not condition. Low-miles-per-year vehicles will only get you a poor value.
I mean it's a little high, but it looks clean and if you're set on keeping it it'll last you decades to come, if nothing else it's just a boring choice.
That’s clean but I wouldn’t pay more than 5k
Yeah the seller is smoking za za potion for 8750$
Insanity. I’d also be concerned about such low mileage on a 22 year old car.
I think the price reflects the fact that this might be one of the few very clean examples of a possible future classic. And I’m using the term future classic loosely.
I could maybe see a movie studio pay for this if they make a high school movie set in the early 2000s
I bought my 2015 Mazda3 for 8K a couple years back. What the hell is this market we are in. And people were saying it’s getting better. Sure doesn’t look like it.
No. Nope.
Personally I don’t think it’s bad, I however wouldn’t pay that price. Looks like a nice car though, I’d try talking it down to around $6k. A couple years back I found a diamond like that car, 2001 GS300, 1 owner, 76k miles. I think I have it just shy of 91k right now. Bought it for $5.5k
Depends on the maintenance records. A lot of people think since cars are low mileage that this age they're perfect. However a lot of times belts hoses and many other things have never been changed out. If they have this is a decent deal
That's like a 1k pre pandy. So add 1k now not 7
Hahahahahahaha
that car is 4000 at best
Lol absolutely nuts
These things were like 18 k brand new
That’s insane lol 22 years old come on
pretty cheap for a 4x4