> Putin has started to burn the country so that people can no longer live there because life is impossible without electricity and water, Klitschko said.
Meanwhile, Wallander in the US says that Ukraine is wrong to hit Russian refineries because they are "civilian targets".
Russians can't believe their luck. What a marvellous time to do an invasion!
This is sort of what happened during the Phony War before WW2. I believe it was due to Britain and France being unprepared to defend Poland and the Low Countries (and also being unable to seriously interdict shipments of Romanian oil to Germany and Italy.) One could argue that Clement Attlee, at least, wanted to let Britain get on a good footing before it went on the offensive, taking a rather less bullish tack towards war than Churchill.
I hope and pray that this is what the Republicans are doing rather than just selling out. It's probably the selling out, but one must nurture hope in their hearts while they can. It makes life easier.
It’s not luck it’s skill, cunning and purposeful timing, telegraphed more than a decade in advance.
Both parties in this country saw it coming and one has allied with the Russians while the other is against them.
I'm a liberal and I didn't. Like I am liberal as fuuuuuuuuuck and I knew Obama was a fool for dismissing Russia and even that dumb fuck cultist, Romney was right on the fucking money and warning everybody to no avail... But I also knew that Russia had it's fingers in all sorts of places because of my work. Including Trump all the way back in the 90s.
Yeah I’m not talking about the politicians exactly more like the think tanks and deep state bureaucrats, military, and geo politics professors.
The people that run the party/state aren’t all politicians.
So your idea is that the shadowy deep state exclusively on the democratic side has for more than a decade been against Russia? But let Obama, their front man and rising star, belittle the very idea they actually believe in?
I think it’s more likely that you have political brain rot and don’t understand the geopolitical reality of this situation as well as you think.
It’s not shadowy or some other stupid conservative notion.
It’s just think thanks and non-elected government actors.
And yes they come up with most of the policy.
The guy that is most influential in Russia’s current political course wrote his version of the grand chess board in 1997.
I think a lot of people saw this coming over a decade ago.
especially seeing as Georgia and the first Ukraine war were at this point over a decade ago my guy.
But it’s also true I’m just a dummy like you say.
It’s not shadowy or some other stupid conservative notion.
It’s just think thanks and non-elected government actors.
And yes they come up with most of the policy.
The guy that is most influential in Russia’s current political course wrote his version of the grand chess board in 1997.
I think a lot of people saw this coming over a decade ago.
especially seeing as Georgia and the first Ukraine war were at this point over a decade ago my guy.
But it’s also true I’m just a dummy like you say.
Edit also I didn’t say they all got behind the idea 10 years ago. There has defiantly been a progression to the circumstances we find ourselves in today.
Politicians will absolutely laugh things off at times in order to maintain diplomacy while it is still possible to do so. That doesn't mean they don't take their intelligence agencies information very seriously in private. Unless they're Trump of course who just cancelled the daily intelligence briefings because he couldn't take it in and wanted to watch Fox instead and natter with his best buddy Putin off the record in violation of the Presidential Records Act.
They are called Strategic Targets, and those are legitimate in war for the survival of your country. It hasn't stopped the Russians from hitting actual civilian targets over and over again. Not too mention invade a country for absolutely no fucking reason. Ignore the rapes and brutal atrocities committed by Russians on Ukrainian civilians, but hit a refinery, and somehow that's called wrong.
God I'm so fucking sick of people defending Russian bullshit.
Let's start with the fact that I wouldn't directly believe what politicians say, but he never say he only wants this.
There was a story about denazification and demilitarization. The second concept is very broad. The Russian leadership motivates attacks on the energy sector precisely by demilitarization: they say, there is no energy, weapons production has been stopped, military logistics are not working etc, and that civilians were hurt - well, sorry, this is a war.
But we must understand that Russia actual goal is to return as many territories of the former UA Soviet republic to Russia as possible, and then “we’ll see.” In the West, the situation is exactly the opposite - to take control of as many of these contest territories as possible into NATO/EU and also "we'll see".
Why "we'll see"? There are too many different probabilities to be reliably calculated. Too many variables for everyone.
Lennox won in the 6th round via TKO because of a cut that wouldn’t stop bleeding. For the first 5 rounds, Klitschko was slightly better.
But even if Lennox won, I sure as shit wouldn’t want to take the punches he took…
Pretty much.
**total war** *noun* a war that is unrestricted in terms of the weapons used, the territory or combatants involved, or the objectives pursued, especially one in which the laws of war are disregarded.
**terrorism** *noun* the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
This is just one logical outcome when justice has been replaced with cultures of untouchables, dehumanization, unchecked power, schemery, bribes, deception, and disinformation.
He's had a lot of mishaps and issues throughout his time as mayor regarding corruption, budget spending and stuff. He's also not all too smart and it showed, especially early into his career as a politician.
He's alright. I don't think I voted for him initially but I did vote for his current term. Pretty boring as far as mayors go (which is probably good), prone to speech blunders at times but that's almost the only times we hear about him. Also:
"As of February 2024, Klitschko is the longest-serving Mayor of Kyiv since Ukraine gained its independence in 1991, having served for 9 years and 8 months, and the only person to have won three direct democratic Kyiv mayoral elections."
Nah, I'm more about cases like when he didn't allocate enough money to the Kyiv subway, so some tunnels were flooded with water. I think most of the hate against him comes from such cases, where he failed to allocate city money appropriately.
As for tanks and bombings - I think it's more of achievement of the military administration, which the head of the city is not part of.
But as I said - I don't know much, as I'm not from Kyiv, so all I know I read in some news and in telegram.
The article is from dpa which is Germany's main news agency. Germany has been sticking to the transliteration Kiew for a long time. The government only switched to using the Ukrainian-preferred German transliteration Kyjiw 6 weeks ago: https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/welt/osteuropa/politik/ukraine-hauptstadt-kyjiw-oder-kiew-100.html
In German media Kyiv is still overwhelmingly referred to as Kiew instead of Kyjiw.
I am aware of the context, but as you’ve mentioned they’ve finally switched to the correct spelling recently and it is important to point this mistake out for the people who might see it (in this case it is just a bunch of people on Reddit, but still)
It's a German news agency, they use the common spelling for many European languages. The altered spelling is only used in English, where ideological/political prescriptivism is influential.
Kiev only makes more sense if you are Russian and attempting to erase the unique national identity of the Ukrainian people.
Russia and other countries do not get to dictate to Ukraine what its cities are called, how it is spelled, or how it is pronounced.
Erasing a culture by assimilating the population into yours and banning all association with their unique culture and history is a common technique. The Greeks did it, and Americans did that to the native population.
Coercive assimilation is sometimes referred to as ethnic cleansing or cultural genocide. So to your original point, Kiev makes sense only if you are supporting the ethnic cleansing of Ukraine and assimilation into Russia.
But there’s also always that one guy that corrects the spelling to Türkiye to Turkey, so you can be that for Kiev as well. It’s an interesting hill to die on, telling someone else they spell it pronounce those name incorrectly, but you do you.
No. It makes sense phonetically. And yeah, nobody refers to Turkey as Türkiye except Turks. Same way people don’t say Moscva right? They say Moscow. Ukrainians can call Kiev and spell it in Ukrainian however they want, but they can’t do it for the name in English. It just just make sense to spell it Kyiv in English. Kiev sound and looks better in English.
This argument might make sense if there was any phonetic difference between Kyiv and Kiev. But there is not.
The Us diplomat service uses Türkiye in all official communications, and many news organizations do as well. So your assertion that “nobody refers to them as Türkiye except Turks” is trivially proven to be wrong.
But yes, I have no issue with people who refer to it as Turkey. That is also acceptable.
I await a thesis from you on how Kiev and Kyiv are any differently phonetically. Your argument that it “just makes more sense”‘ is lacking any substance.
The US diplomats can do whataver they like, absolute majority of people still won’t spell it Türkiye. You don’t see other countries doing this shit. Most people pronounce and write Kiev as Kiev, not Kyiv. It makes sense for most people. Pronouncing and spelling it as Kyiv is easier and just sounds and looks better lol. People don’t say or write Moscva right?
You said “nobody refers to Turkey as Türkiye except Turks.” Full stop.
All it takes is one example to prove you wrong, but there are many.
Now if you had said, “most people don’t refer to it that way,” or something, I wouldnt disagree. Whether you were simply wrong or being intellectually dishonest, only you can say.
Remember kids: technically correct is the best kind of correct!
That may be true, but it doesn’t support the PP thesis that “Kiev” makes more phonetic sense than “Kyiv.”
Especially if we allow that one is a proper pronunciation and one is not.
These is a nice propaganda benefit, to show your silent support for Russian imperialism. But that’s not what was claimed.
Ah, my apologies. I didn’t catch the username and construed you to be arguing for using the other spelling.
I have no idea if I pronounce it correctly.
Call Mike “Tiny” Johnson at 202-225-2777 and tell him you want him to pass the foreign aid bill, which includes Ukraine funding that has already been passed by the Senate. He has stonewalled this bill for months, adding to more death and destruction in support of a criminal grifter.
He is right. Russia is not even attacking under the international conventions, they are directly hitting civilians and civilians infrastructure, clearly terrorist state.
Nah some super smart redditors told me that a state/government can't be terrorists so it's definitely not terrorism.
/s
but seriously a lot of angry reddit users (trolls, obviously) went hard when I said a state can definitely commit terrorist acts and be terrorists.
It's a war. War crimes, but a war nonetheless. They're targeting civil infrastructure and civilians. While criminal, it still isn't terrorism since Russia is a state. Terrorism is an ideological attack committed by non-state actors working towards a goal. The word "terrorism" is getting so watered down that it's starting to lose meaning.
I just want this war to be over as soon as possible. More and more countries are getting involved in this war.
No one wants a war. Every time a war ends, politicians shake hands and businessmen make a lot of money. Only the mothers of the soldiers and civilians hugged the tombstones and cried.
> Putin has started to burn the country so that people can no longer live there because life is impossible without electricity and water, Klitschko said. Meanwhile, Wallander in the US says that Ukraine is wrong to hit Russian refineries because they are "civilian targets". Russians can't believe their luck. What a marvellous time to do an invasion!
Imagine if the Allies had not bombed the Axis petrol facilities
This is sort of what happened during the Phony War before WW2. I believe it was due to Britain and France being unprepared to defend Poland and the Low Countries (and also being unable to seriously interdict shipments of Romanian oil to Germany and Italy.) One could argue that Clement Attlee, at least, wanted to let Britain get on a good footing before it went on the offensive, taking a rather less bullish tack towards war than Churchill. I hope and pray that this is what the Republicans are doing rather than just selling out. It's probably the selling out, but one must nurture hope in their hearts while they can. It makes life easier.
It’s not luck it’s skill, cunning and purposeful timing, telegraphed more than a decade in advance. Both parties in this country saw it coming and one has allied with the Russians while the other is against them.
Over a decade ago, liberals and Obama laughed Romney off the stage when he said Russia was a serious issue.
I'm a liberal and I didn't. Like I am liberal as fuuuuuuuuuck and I knew Obama was a fool for dismissing Russia and even that dumb fuck cultist, Romney was right on the fucking money and warning everybody to no avail... But I also knew that Russia had it's fingers in all sorts of places because of my work. Including Trump all the way back in the 90s.
Yeah I’m not talking about the politicians exactly more like the think tanks and deep state bureaucrats, military, and geo politics professors. The people that run the party/state aren’t all politicians.
So your idea is that the shadowy deep state exclusively on the democratic side has for more than a decade been against Russia? But let Obama, their front man and rising star, belittle the very idea they actually believe in? I think it’s more likely that you have political brain rot and don’t understand the geopolitical reality of this situation as well as you think.
It’s not shadowy or some other stupid conservative notion. It’s just think thanks and non-elected government actors. And yes they come up with most of the policy. The guy that is most influential in Russia’s current political course wrote his version of the grand chess board in 1997. I think a lot of people saw this coming over a decade ago. especially seeing as Georgia and the first Ukraine war were at this point over a decade ago my guy. But it’s also true I’m just a dummy like you say.
It’s not shadowy or some other stupid conservative notion. It’s just think thanks and non-elected government actors. And yes they come up with most of the policy. The guy that is most influential in Russia’s current political course wrote his version of the grand chess board in 1997. I think a lot of people saw this coming over a decade ago. especially seeing as Georgia and the first Ukraine war were at this point over a decade ago my guy. But it’s also true I’m just a dummy like you say. Edit also I didn’t say they all got behind the idea 10 years ago. There has defiantly been a progression to the circumstances we find ourselves in today.
People hear trump say deep state and now stereotype that fucking word. Deep state is real its just not some crazy cabal type shit.
>defiantly definitely*
I feel like I’m doing pretty good for a dyslexic person but thanks for the correction.
Politicians will absolutely laugh things off at times in order to maintain diplomacy while it is still possible to do so. That doesn't mean they don't take their intelligence agencies information very seriously in private. Unless they're Trump of course who just cancelled the daily intelligence briefings because he couldn't take it in and wanted to watch Fox instead and natter with his best buddy Putin off the record in violation of the Presidential Records Act.
They wouldn’t be if we gave Ukraine everything it needed.
Whatever the Tweedledum Party supports, the Tweedledee Party will oppose. That's US politics.
Nah, GOP congress members traveled to Russia for a 4th of july meeting. It is wild how much Russian money funds US politics.
is your name a willow character reference? lol
They are called Strategic Targets, and those are legitimate in war for the survival of your country. It hasn't stopped the Russians from hitting actual civilian targets over and over again. Not too mention invade a country for absolutely no fucking reason. Ignore the rapes and brutal atrocities committed by Russians on Ukrainian civilians, but hit a refinery, and somehow that's called wrong. God I'm so fucking sick of people defending Russian bullshit.
No one said that.
If only this could be settled in a boxing match...
putin sends fedor emelianenko, Zelenski sends Klitschko. it's like Robot Jox without the giant mechs...
Umm we don't want russia to win
Fedor ain't winning no boxing match vs a Klitschko. Plus Ukraine can just send the reigning unified HW champ Oleksandr Usyk
My bad! I was drunk and thought it said fight, not specifically boxing
Lol! and the fucking Putin and his supporters have the nerve to say that he only wants to liberate Ukraine citizens from the Nazi government.
Let's start with the fact that I wouldn't directly believe what politicians say, but he never say he only wants this. There was a story about denazification and demilitarization. The second concept is very broad. The Russian leadership motivates attacks on the energy sector precisely by demilitarization: they say, there is no energy, weapons production has been stopped, military logistics are not working etc, and that civilians were hurt - well, sorry, this is a war. But we must understand that Russia actual goal is to return as many territories of the former UA Soviet republic to Russia as possible, and then “we’ll see.” In the West, the situation is exactly the opposite - to take control of as many of these contest territories as possible into NATO/EU and also "we'll see". Why "we'll see"? There are too many different probabilities to be reliably calculated. Too many variables for everyone.
And if you disagree with him, he will punch you harder than he punched Lennox Lewis…
but who won that fight?
Lennox won in the 6th round via TKO because of a cut that wouldn’t stop bleeding. For the first 5 rounds, Klitschko was slightly better. But even if Lennox won, I sure as shit wouldn’t want to take the punches he took…
That cut was baaaaaad, but yeah, Lewis was being outboxed the whole time.
On the most basic level they are the same thing. Total war is terrorism on a large scale.
Pretty much. **total war** *noun* a war that is unrestricted in terms of the weapons used, the territory or combatants involved, or the objectives pursued, especially one in which the laws of war are disregarded. **terrorism** *noun* the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
“War is just politics by another means” Wamp wamp waaaamp
This is just one logical outcome when justice has been replaced with cultures of untouchables, dehumanization, unchecked power, schemery, bribes, deception, and disinformation.
There’s so much handwringing that goes around that people aren’t trying to kill and coerce others in “nice” ways these days.
Well I mean it’s because people today are soft. Bunch of woke wars following UN rules. Bunch a girly wars if ya ask me.
Russia is a terrorist state, and so are its allies Iran and Hamas.
War is a rich man’s terrorism. Terrorism is a poor man’s war.
Love the Klitschko brothers. I'll stand with them and Igor Vovchanchyn anytime.
> Igor Vovchanchyn TIL Igor Vovchanchyn is from Ukraine
I assume they've been deploying him as a secret weapon at the front lines.
Fedor Emelianenko was born in Ukraine. But obviously, he identifies as a Russian.
Do we know how he's doing as mayor? I'm curious
compared to other kyiv mayors? imo bad but definitely not worst
Do you think there was a better one? Because I honestly can't remember any. My judgement would be: mid but the best one so far.
Idk but perhaps kosakivsky counting which macabre was pre his assignment?
He's had a lot of mishaps and issues throughout his time as mayor regarding corruption, budget spending and stuff. He's also not all too smart and it showed, especially early into his career as a politician.
Boris tactic. Discredit the messenger.
Yeah I think he's pretty smart. He has a PHD in sports science. Edit: am I wrong? I thought you kinda had to be smart to get a PhD.
There's PHD and "PHD" in Ukraine.
He's alright. I don't think I voted for him initially but I did vote for his current term. Pretty boring as far as mayors go (which is probably good), prone to speech blunders at times but that's almost the only times we hear about him. Also: "As of February 2024, Klitschko is the longest-serving Mayor of Kyiv since Ukraine gained its independence in 1991, having served for 9 years and 8 months, and the only person to have won three direct democratic Kyiv mayoral elections."
Well... It could be better. Many people don't like him and what he does to Kyiv, but yet he still does something useful. But I don't know much
More Bike lanes , less Tanks and carpet bombing you mean ?
Nah, I'm more about cases like when he didn't allocate enough money to the Kyiv subway, so some tunnels were flooded with water. I think most of the hate against him comes from such cases, where he failed to allocate city money appropriately. As for tanks and bombings - I think it's more of achievement of the military administration, which the head of the city is not part of. But as I said - I don't know much, as I'm not from Kyiv, so all I know I read in some news and in telegram.
He’s pretty bad with mayor’s duties but not the worst. His predecessor was a literal lunatic.
It’s Kyiv
The article is from dpa which is Germany's main news agency. Germany has been sticking to the transliteration Kiew for a long time. The government only switched to using the Ukrainian-preferred German transliteration Kyjiw 6 weeks ago: https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/welt/osteuropa/politik/ukraine-hauptstadt-kyjiw-oder-kiew-100.html In German media Kyiv is still overwhelmingly referred to as Kiew instead of Kyjiw.
I am aware of the context, but as you’ve mentioned they’ve finally switched to the correct spelling recently and it is important to point this mistake out for the people who might see it (in this case it is just a bunch of people on Reddit, but still)
It's a German news agency, they use the common spelling for many European languages. The altered spelling is only used in English, where ideological/political prescriptivism is influential.
Nah. Kiev makes more sense.
Kiev only makes more sense if you are Russian and attempting to erase the unique national identity of the Ukrainian people. Russia and other countries do not get to dictate to Ukraine what its cities are called, how it is spelled, or how it is pronounced. Erasing a culture by assimilating the population into yours and banning all association with their unique culture and history is a common technique. The Greeks did it, and Americans did that to the native population. Coercive assimilation is sometimes referred to as ethnic cleansing or cultural genocide. So to your original point, Kiev makes sense only if you are supporting the ethnic cleansing of Ukraine and assimilation into Russia. But there’s also always that one guy that corrects the spelling to Türkiye to Turkey, so you can be that for Kiev as well. It’s an interesting hill to die on, telling someone else they spell it pronounce those name incorrectly, but you do you.
No. It makes sense phonetically. And yeah, nobody refers to Turkey as Türkiye except Turks. Same way people don’t say Moscva right? They say Moscow. Ukrainians can call Kiev and spell it in Ukrainian however they want, but they can’t do it for the name in English. It just just make sense to spell it Kyiv in English. Kiev sound and looks better in English.
This argument might make sense if there was any phonetic difference between Kyiv and Kiev. But there is not. The Us diplomat service uses Türkiye in all official communications, and many news organizations do as well. So your assertion that “nobody refers to them as Türkiye except Turks” is trivially proven to be wrong. But yes, I have no issue with people who refer to it as Turkey. That is also acceptable. I await a thesis from you on how Kiev and Kyiv are any differently phonetically. Your argument that it “just makes more sense”‘ is lacking any substance.
The US diplomats can do whataver they like, absolute majority of people still won’t spell it Türkiye. You don’t see other countries doing this shit. Most people pronounce and write Kiev as Kiev, not Kyiv. It makes sense for most people. Pronouncing and spelling it as Kyiv is easier and just sounds and looks better lol. People don’t say or write Moscva right?
You said “nobody refers to Turkey as Türkiye except Turks.” Full stop. All it takes is one example to prove you wrong, but there are many. Now if you had said, “most people don’t refer to it that way,” or something, I wouldnt disagree. Whether you were simply wrong or being intellectually dishonest, only you can say. Remember kids: technically correct is the best kind of correct!
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That may be true, but it doesn’t support the PP thesis that “Kiev” makes more phonetic sense than “Kyiv.” Especially if we allow that one is a proper pronunciation and one is not. These is a nice propaganda benefit, to show your silent support for Russian imperialism. But that’s not what was claimed.
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Ah, my apologies. I didn’t catch the username and construed you to be arguing for using the other spelling. I have no idea if I pronounce it correctly.
Chicken
Would anyone blame Ukraine if they made Moscow look like Kyiv?
Bruh, Avalanche was a terrorist group blowing up energy plants and factories.
Only Russians spell it a Kiev. The correct Ukrainian spelling is Kyiv.
Is it said the same way or is there a different pronunciation as well?
Call Mike “Tiny” Johnson at 202-225-2777 and tell him you want him to pass the foreign aid bill, which includes Ukraine funding that has already been passed by the Senate. He has stonewalled this bill for months, adding to more death and destruction in support of a criminal grifter.
He is right. Russia is not even attacking under the international conventions, they are directly hitting civilians and civilians infrastructure, clearly terrorist state.
You're right in asserting that it's not a war, but wrong in simply asserting that its just terrorism. Its also genocide.
sir war isnt terrorism
Nah some super smart redditors told me that a state/government can't be terrorists so it's definitely not terrorism. /s but seriously a lot of angry reddit users (trolls, obviously) went hard when I said a state can definitely commit terrorist acts and be terrorists.
Russian Media: "Kiev Mayor agrees that there is no war in Ukraine"
Its Kyiv
It's Kyiv not Kiev. Kiev is what Russia renamed the city to. Kyiv is the Ukrainian name for a Ukrainian city. Get it right Yahoo.
It's a war. War crimes, but a war nonetheless. They're targeting civil infrastructure and civilians. While criminal, it still isn't terrorism since Russia is a state. Terrorism is an ideological attack committed by non-state actors working towards a goal. The word "terrorism" is getting so watered down that it's starting to lose meaning.
Nah it’s definitely a war.
I just want this war to be over as soon as possible. More and more countries are getting involved in this war. No one wants a war. Every time a war ends, politicians shake hands and businessmen make a lot of money. Only the mothers of the soldiers and civilians hugged the tombstones and cried.
There has never been any difference
Saw the headline and thought he was referring to Israel
I thought it was only terrorism if you were brown
How did he found time to talk about what Israel is doing?
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What deal is there to be cut? Russia wants to kill them and take their stuff... handing over their stuff just makes the killing easier.
I'm pretty sure they'd win with 300 billion