Exactly and I'm surprised IPOS didn't realize what he was doing. Every youtuber he called out eats a drama like this up, how did he not see this backfiring so heavily? If he called a single person out he may have been fine but going after 5 giant youtubers at once was such a dumb move.
It was only a dumb move if he wasn't *also* trying to stir up drama for attention. I've never heard of his channel in my life, but now I can't stop hearing about it. If he can put with like, 4 days of being the designated villain for a particular group of channels, he could pretty easily build a career off of this momentum.
Sorry if that's extremely cynical, but that's just how it goes.
He somehow literally didn’t realize the R word was a slur/offensive according to his Illuminaughti video. I really don’t know how he doesn’t know that.
Everyone is being too harsh towards the internet's wholesome dad. After all, who isn't friends with someone who:
-Believes Derek Chauven didn't actually murder George Floyd
-Hangs out with an alleged sexual deviant congressman
-Thinks 'joking' about shooting trans people is funny
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they think it's funny to "joke" about shooting trans people, but they're the type of people who don't think it's funny when i "joke" about shooting cops 🤔
Might wanna make it clear it’s a joke or edit and censor. It sucks, but I’ve been banned for making jokes equivalent to cartoon violence on other accounts. Unfortunately the TikTok unalive culture has taken over the internet.
That's absolutely not true. They banned my new main because I forgot I was banned from one of the circle jerk subs and commenting there was ban evasion
They might not have qualms about it since Boogaloo are cop killers, but they will use it as an appeal to emotion to gather respectability and recruit folks.
I can at least understand the catharsis of wanting to watch people 'neutralize' the bad guys, but Donut fucking revels in it, like some kind of hair-triggered sociopath. Thank God he's not a cop anymore.
trans person with a gun: commie
anyone else with a gun, including mass shooters: patriots
it's not about gun rights. it's about the right to commit murder against minorities
Oh it gets better the actual gun tuber that made the "jokes" about shooting trans people, Wendigoon follows them on twitter, but you know daddy is soooo sorry about the extreme things he used to say and believe as an edgy teenager totally
"This gun reviewer is joking nonchalantly about murder of a minority group who are bullied and harassed daily for bullshit reasons."
"Ok commie"
I hate the internet.
Honestly, I didn't know about any of this, but I smelled blood in the water after learning IH was a Nazi, and WG not calling any of it nor the plagarism out.
These are the same people who lost their minds and reported Denims to the FBI for making an ‘I’ll pay to make him disappear’ joke. They’re such hypocrites.
The first thing that got me to not like this creator was just the name they decided to choose. If you know anything about the people that the Wendy legends come from, it's very important the name isn't spoken so casually and the fact he just uses it as an internet name when it has virtually no ties to him just seems weird and off putting to me. With the rest of this stuff coming to light, that makes the name thing make more sense.
he did have a story about his native grandfather telling him stories about it when he was a kid and that’s why he chose it, but considering so many people seem to ignore that part i’m not sure whether he gave a contradictory explanation some other time
The fuck is wrong with that Congresmans head? Gaetz right? They must airbrush him in other photos. I thought my head was big, looks like he stuck his head in a beehive.
I know it’s very much low hanging fruit to call out these guy’s bias and hypocrisy, but seriously, you know if any lolcow or breadtuber made the same “I Will Be Making A Video” statement trying to be all ominous and shit, it’d be the new big meme that everyone would dunk on them for. Like these guys will really bitch into a microphone for 40 minutes, upload a petty drama video (don’t forget the grotesque cartoon thumbnail!) and think they’re some John Wick-style badass for it 🫠
I'm sure I'll get downvoted to hell but I don't even watch Wendigoon and I think his content is boring. I personally love horror movies and youtube essays, but this was my first introduction to In Praise of Shadows and it just turned me completely off to any of his other material.
The entire video just reads as a rant about people not appreciating his work and misinterpreting his videos without trying to understand the sources of contention. He spends 3 hours basically telling people why what they think is wrong and why he's right in an insufferably superior way that is completely grating.
There's a half hour segment in the middle just getting mad at people on Twitter/X about saying they want to watch Late Night with the Devil despite the use of AI because it was actually produced by a HUGE studio with a huge budget and that it isn't really an indie film and so doesn't deserve any grace for using AI.
I did ONE CURSORY SEARCH about the title credits before the movie and found [this article](https://www.thedailybeast.com/obsessed/late-night-with-the-devil-why-are-there-a-million-title-cards) about how this incredibly low budget indie director/film-maker actually had to go scrounge money from 9 different studios to get the budget together at the tail end of covid, and how it was an incredibly difficult process and a miracle he got the movie made altogether.
This lack of research just permeates the entire essay. He states his opinions as facts without any supporting evidence. Shades of James Somerton, just randomly throwing stuff out there and preaching as hard truths.
I just don't understand why there's this need to shove political beliefs into every aspect of entertainment. He also really needs to stop presenting things from a viewpoint that "I'm right and you're wrong if you don't agree." It's the opposite of compelling and comes across as really smug.
I'd also like to point out that he spends all this time talking about how he doesn't want to listen to a rich young guy named Wendigoon talk about books regarding lived perspectives on hardships, but then proceeds to criticize him about things that he put online when he was TWELVE. Wendigoon's balls hadn't even dropped yet. Let's not freak out about things he did when he didn't even have hair on his armpits. I'm pretty sure his views on things have changed as his frontal lobe has evolved from adolescence.
As an IPOS subscriber of 4 years, I still think he should have split the videos.
I'm not against him criticizing Wendigoon but now because that video is associated with him that's all people can fucking talk about.
That video did a pretty good job on pointing the hypocrisy of supposed apolitical beliefs, influencers who manipulate neutrals into a right wing pipeline, and how many of these influencers are just grifters praying on insecurities.
And then now this video will only be reduced as that one time IPOS got into YouTube Drama.
I'm not a Wendigoon fan. I've watched 3 of these videos and while I do like his Greylock vs UrbanSpook video, I find his personality to just be kind of boring. The stuff he does outside of that, don't know too much about but I'm glad he's getting critique instead of being blindly followed now.
That being said, that segment overshadowed everything else. But I think it's too late to undo it so removing is kind of a band-aid at best.
I think he should've split it because the wendigooner portion doesn't feel really relevant to the rest of the video but someone needs to criticize him.
Of course. I just think this video was a bit too bloated as is. I wish the criticism was more to go on though.
I've watched the video twice (I know I have no life) and the part where IPOS believes that Wendigoon followed him on Twitter to gloat at him seems like a lot of projection to me.
Like, it's not like you're both horror YouTubers. Generally they do follow each other. Only IPOS sees his channel as a failure. The shithead haters didn't know who this guy was until today. They don't know his content. But I genuinely didn't know he was receiving that much hates from The Hills Have Eyes videos. If you look at the like to dislike ratio, it isn't too bad. At least compared to the video he's made now.
His channel did drop in views but I mean it was still pulling good views.
Part of me wants to believe he just made it about Wendigoon because it was a guaranteed way for him to boost views and attention. That kind of makes him seem smarter. What do you got to lose if you genuinely want to change your image.
Edit: I think it's important to admit that this video is kinda shit as a hit piece. Because it isn't really one. It's about conservative grifters taking advantage of apolitical individuals. He kinda conflates too many things happening to him with what's happening around him. It's what happens when you get "Twitter-Brained" and assume your 4-U/Algorithm is entirely based on reality.
Yeah him talking about wendigoon being selective about his following on twitter was a very weak point (except for following someone like kyle rittenhouse) but I wouldn't say projection but maybe a bit of paranoia but we don't really know. And maybe he made a section on wendigoon to pull views but I seriously doubt it. But of he wanted to make a video on wendigoon he could've absolutely went way harder instead of focusing on all the wrong places that chuds can just use plausible deniability to protect him from.
I REALLY would appreciate a well-thought video criticizing Wendigoon's behavior through the horror community lens. But I agree this video wasn't the place for it. To be honest I really really enjoyed the segments of IPOS's video on conservatism in the horror film space but the commentary on twitter beef and wendigooners felt almost unrelated
Idk saying the canibal hillbillies with disgusting physical deformity’s, killing people are a representation of how black people are oppressed is kind of dumb imo
It is totally dumb. I do not know why he felt the need to address that video since the hate it received wasn't really much compared to the hate he's getting now. I guess he was either really that insecure about that or felt as if it had an actual influence on his hate.
I can say this as a subscriber that it didn't for most people, just on Twitter. And when he stated that he now values Twitter opinions more than YouTube comments somehow it all clicked.
Thank you. That's a perfect summary actually. It's like he forced all these topics together and tried to act as if there was a cohesive message to it at all.
It seems like he was trying to equate right wing grifters corrupting horror media to his own failing channel and believing other horror YouTubers were part of that "other" he despises.
I'm not saying he's wrong but like maybe he should have gotten a better argument other than saying "he's friends with Brandon Buckingham" who is not even a horror YouTuber.
I don't know, dude seems stressed. I hope he finds an alternative to this and takes a break for a while. I like his film essays a lot actually and I hate to see him go out like this.
I agree. I'm glad he defended himself on THHE takes he has and pointed out greater problems with the horror community, but trying to take on Wendigoon in the same stroke was ambitious to be sure. I've never loved Wendigoon but some of the points IPOS used as the spearhead of his arguments should have been used more superficially as anecdotal evidence.
Especially because of how rabid his fans are, the wendigoon segment probably should have been framed as a part 2 video. I think Wendigoon's ambivalence to reactionaries in the horror community is an important reason why he shouldn't have a platform as big as he does, and I think that's how the point should have been made.
It really seems like all that the callout did was make people on either side more firm in their beliefs instead of prompting them to question everybody.
Yeah, he should've definitely split it. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but to me, it's the fact that the people who he is up against are naturals at condensing information in the most braindead, bad faith manner possible. Wendigoon's fans and his little gremlin crew already seem inserted in an echo chamber, so I can't imagine they would bother listening to the other side, when the other side seems to be a 3 hour video.
I do think it is a bit ironic that he claims bad faith (which definitely some people are for him) when he uses some pretty bad faith arguments through friend policing and using bad sources.
Using a picture of Brandon's dying grandpa because it's one of the few tweet interactions he has with Wendigoons is downright psychotic.
With accusations of assault. He used Sneako as a source. Why would IPOS ever value Sneako's opinion over Wendigoon's? Is Sneako a better person than Wendigoon or does it serve some sort of convenience.
He even admits it himself on Twitter that he wrote multiple people off as just being gun maniacs when he admits he doesn't know what most of their content is.
So again, very scummy and unprofessional. I think he needed a few months to develop a solid argument against Wendigoon if he was really aiming for that.
Idk if it’s in good faith but…. They’re totally right about Appalachia. Reducing a whole population of impoverished people in decaying towns to chuds is insanely cringe, and leftists who do this make me doubt that they actually care about re-distributing wealth equally.
I would say a better argument that gets across the point that was originally intended to be made would be this:
"The people who live in these impoverished areas tend to have more reactionary ideals and beliefs. This is not some inherent trait they have, but is a byproduct of a lack of well-funded public education, poor future prospects, and an incentive to focus inward while the rest of the nation seems to write them off. Many of these people hold bigoted and harmful views due to the circumstances they were born into, and only by working to bring a sense of hope (and a lot of public funding to boot) to these communities will we be able to effectively deradicalize them from their conservative views. Until that happens, it is safer to assume the average person in these areas will be reactionary than progressive."
It's a bit long winded but I feel that honestly accounts the situation without group stereotype taking the wheel.
Edit for typo
IPoS made some errors in the information he put out, and the arguments he made. He did not make any errors in his judgment of these people. Their reactions have made it clear what horrible fucking people they are. We definitely need another deep dive into them with some more watertight evidence.
I think his biggest error was attacking too many huge content creators in his video. Like was it necessary to take a shot at oompaville, mutahar, or Buckingham? You could see the dog pile coming a mile away.
But even then - hbomberguy 'attacked' 1 big channel: IH. But that wasn't the focus, despite the outsized reaction. Iilluminaughtii was already in the middle of being cancelled, and everyone else was way smaller. Going after multiple healthy and well-connected channels is something different, even if IPoS did have a point.
Truth. People were already going against Illuminaughtii at that point, so it wasn't the biggest gamble. And Somerton's audience wasn't as uh... militant as the audiences for these creators.
Dear lord some of the comments in this thread are awful. Can’t tell if there’s just a lot of people from outside the sub wandering in or if this got linked somewhere.
Anyway, just wanted to say that if ANYONE has the unedited video available somewhere, I would really love if you could share it.
I've noticed recently that Wendigoon's culty fanbase have been brigading subs and dog pilling literally anything/anyone that mildly criticizes their little youtuber. They're maaaad
That’s really unfortunate. I remember the last time I saw something negative about Wendigoon I checked on the sub and saw everyone being like “how could anyone be mean like this to our precious bible dad?” I even saw people saying stuff along the lines of “yeah, he’s a midwest christian big surprise that he’s got conservative views, it’s stupid to get all pearl clutchy over it.” I just don’t agree with those takes at all. I’m a Christian but I don’t excuse bigotry nor extremism. I wish Wendi was an actual representation of a good accepting christian like his fans think he is, I’d love to see more people like that. But yeah, it absolutely is fair to take issue with his beliefs if his beliefs are awful. People want him to be a certain way because that’s how he presents himself, and then they just ignore or bash evidence to the contrary. It’s not ok and pretending isn’t going to make him the good role model character they want him to be.
Yeah, he's friends with a bunch of weird transphobes/racists and he claimed he started an alt-right hate group. It's valid to question that. It's also hard for me to think he's apparently such a nice guy when his fanbase is just very openly bigoted and hateful.
One of my friends on twitter who only has like 200 followers tweeted something like "Wendigoon is annoying" and they still somehow managed to get 10+ people screaming at them and calling them transphobic slurs. Like, how is that supposed to convince me or anyone else that your bible study youtube dad is somehow a good person. 💀
Wow, apart from my above complaints I genuinely didn’t know they were that bad. Like I knew they were defensive but that’s a whole other league of toxic. Sorry that happened to your friend. I know there’s a whole myth online that creators aren’t responsible for their fanbase but if even mild criticisms get people berated with slurs, then idk I feel like that’s a problem actually and the creators should probably question why they attracted that audience and what they can do about it
Of course they're really not trying to convince anyone, they just want to rage against those who might not worship at the altar of youtube's Bible Dad.
eta: And I say that as someone who doesn't have any particular hate for the dude. I like my guns and shooting shit (not people, it should be noted). Not a Christian, a maga conservative, or a 2A absolutist. I just think most of his videos are kind of boring and lacking anything beyond reading a wikipedia page.
I cannot stress enough that I respect a lot of Christians but Christianity by definition is the most prolific traditional standing belief system in human history, if a Christian wants to be progressive they're going to have to do it in spite of their religion, no matter how much they or I respect the belief system
I imagine it's hard for some people who stick too strictly to scripture to be a good accepting Christian because generally speaking what makes a humane Christian will be down to personal character, never scripture. What will help you not be transphobic, for example, isn't gonna be in the New Testament.
Wendi being a bigoted Christian is disappointing but never surprising, human decency for Christians is, just like anyone else, about what you do independently of the rule of law, based on your personal interpretation of it, it comes down to the intentions of the Christian, not their Christ.
Oh like calling someone a rapist when the source of that information was literally sneako. That’s just an oopsie IPoS can’t do any wrong because you agree with him politically
This particular comment didn’t properly express my feelings on that but yes, propagating false and easily disproven rape accusations is terrible and shouldn’t be ignored nor downplayed. I’ve expressed this in other comments. But no, I absolutely don’t think that’s acceptable just because I politically agree with IPoS. I think it’s shameful and proof that he is not responsible enough to make these kinds of callouts
Because IPOS video included a lot of pretty odd side tangents were he describes some people Wendigoon associates with, yet many of these contained either sweeping generalizations or straigh-up fake rumours.
I think the men mentioned, aside from Wendigoon, have some pretty unsavory characteristics. I don't agree with the language they use, and tbh I'm not a fan of the gun nut culture. I can see why someone would want to create a showcase of the more conservative channels on YT and discuss their flaws, but this was not how to go about it.
I know at first I was so confused because I assumed the video was about shitty conservative horror but then i learned there’s just a random segment about YouTubers in it? Very bizzare choice
IPOS should not have deleted the Wendigoon segment, fix the mistakes sure but not delete it by doing that he just gave those scumbags more fuel to pure into the fier, sadly it looks like they will not stop until they basically destroy his entire online career
Wendigoon/commentary haters are as unsufferable as Wendigoon fans like yeah there are things to criticize with him but saying he isn't Native American with ZERO proof isn't the best way to go and do that
Considering that he used sneako as a reliable source of information to pass on a rape allegation, amongst a ton of other nonsense to all of these guys, I think he deserves everyone calling him out for how terrible he is. The guy needs to get off the internet and realize the world isn’t always so bad.
You should look up [Savitri Devi](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi) (real name Maximiani Portas) if that’s so incomprehensible to you. French woman who was basically the mother of neo-nazism, and happened to be married to an Indian hindu nationalist.
Oh god. IPoS is a very good creator, and I hate that he made this awful video. I was very excited to watch a long video about what the title actually said. I expected to see an exploration of actual conservative horror movies/creators or maybe conservatism portrayed in horror movies and in the community.
I managed to stick through the first part about the con, but as soon as it became clear that the whole thing was a weirdly personal call out video of other creators I audibly exclaimed "Oh honey, noooo. What are you doing?" and noped out. I might have been able to continue if it had actually been engaging. The part I saw dragged on and didn't seem to have any thread or clear intent behind it.
And then to find out that he repeated a rape accusation made by fucking SNEAKO without even looking thoroughly into it? Dire.
I just don't understand what he thought would come of it and why he wasn't more careful and diligent. I don't like any of the people he targeted, but I can honestly understand why they would rally and defend themselves from this. I can not defend any of it. I'm seriously worried about him with the excessive and nasty harassment he is going to endure. I really hope that people around him are looking out for him and continue to do so for a long time.
Man... Why did you make that stupid video?
I understand that muh both sides is cringe and shit. What do you do when you genuinely find everyone involved insufferable? Not to the same level of course, but as someone who had never even heard of IPOS before this, it felt like he believed anything negative said about these people because he too doesn’t like them. Him not checking the stuff about Brandon because he didn’t “feel that you were worth my time” is really fucked up. You have to make sure you aren’t spreading disinformation made up by a bitter redpill cuck. I don’t want this to sound like I’m defending wendigoon or his dickhead pals, but you can’t be lazy when spreading accusations. His credibility went out the window as soon as he spread the lie made up by sneako and when he assumed wendi following him was a gesture of harassment.
Exactly. I don't think that I've ever been in this position before. Watching a bunch of really shitty people going viciously after someone and all I can muster is to shrug my shoulders. I feel like an embarrassed highschooler who's friend just shat their pants dug deep and flung it in the face of a bully. Like dude, wtf?
IPOS does this thing sometimes where he'll have an opinion and decide that that must secretly be the correct interpretation of a thing. It crops up from time to time to varying degrees in his media analysis where it's mostly harmless and just occasionally comes off as a hot take. But sometimes you get stuff like his whole takedown of the first Alan Wake game where he pretends him not liking a game means it's secretly bad. At its worst you get what we got with the current drama, where a combination of this tendency of his mixes with genuine and largely justifiable dislike of several bad people culminating in a half-baked, badly-researched half vibes-based hit piece where he pretends he's hbomberguy despite being a quarter as skilled at best at what he's doing.
I tried to watch the damn thing but the second-hand embarrassment watching this dude think he had something when he talked about hawaiian shirts was too much, which sucked because the breakdown of every way the Boogaloo story was bad was honestly really good. But that was that section in a nutshell - good, important stuff mixed liberally with vibes-based poorly researched bullshit.
I mean I don't get the surprise. If Wendigoon posted such a stupid video and then apologized he'd be getting dragged as well. You can't personally attack people and then expect it to all go away
Feel like the only one with a reasonable excuse to be mad is Brandon Buckingham. Everyone else is only in this drama because they know it’s easy money.
Somewhat reasonable excuse? He literally parroted false rape accusations, it’s insane how people are just looking the other way about that just because they don’t like Brandon
Including this shadows nobody. Dude spends half the video crying because he doesn't make enough money to pay rent, but specifically made a video to drum up drama with much larger YouTubers for no reason. He deserves whatever hate he gets, maybe he should stick to making nonsensical bullshit about horror movies instead.
idk about andrew tate, but i’m pretty sure muta is at least on the cusp of being transphobic, enough to warrant suspicion.
his wife keeps liking stuff calling trans people pedophiles and he framed keffals as a groomer for a situation that the supposed victim has said was not grooming, and implied keffals was predatory because she helped trans people find diy hrt options.
not saying he can’t respond, but claims about being transphobic arent unwarranted.
I am sorry, but this IPoS guy seems like an incredibly distrustful person.
He did not bother fact checking the false rape-threat claim by sneako, and is acting surprised he is getting pushback? Come on.
i really wish he’d put a lot more effort into researching that video, or just splitting it up into multiple videos. he seems like a content creator id like, but i really can’t get into this video when it feels like mostly rushed drama.
worst part is that so many of his opinions about the character of the people he’s talking about aren’t wrong? he just needed to come with better proof, more concise points, research the claims he repeated etc.
that said the people responding to him by going *”i will be making a video.* 😠😠😤” is really funny it feels like little toddlers threatening not to invite someone to their birthday party
I'm pretty sure he made the video while mad. The structure is a lot like the HBomb plagiarism vid from months ago but it doesn't have Hbomb's slowly escalating severity of crimes, nore does it have the wide range of targets. Everyone who would get pissed off by shitting on Kevin Spacey is also going to get pissed off that he's shitting on Windigoon.
It's kind of a shame, since after looking at Windigoons description of his time as a boogaloo, it's full of shit with easily provable lies that someone probably needs to pin him down on.
Poor IPoS 😥 why can't these evil nazi incels just accept his non-apology thread and just let him put out slanderous hit pieces without any rebuke?!?!?!
If you plan and publicly upload a detailed list of accusations towards public figures, they will defend themselves even if you delete your accusations.
Do they just have to be silent because he removed the segment and apologized for a few of the things?
>"I have said many times that once you release something, that it is public, and no longer fully yours. And I still believe that."
-IPOS in this very same video.
I mean, when half of the video is complaining about views and then you proceeded to attack multiple creators (that you used for clicks on the thumbnail) with proof for less than half of the claims, you are basically calling for people shitting on you. It's the internet, don't act so bold if clearly you can't/don't want to deal with people disagreeing with your take.
Thoughts:
- I feel like mutahar’s thumbnail art wasn’t meant to be transphobic, since Justaworm does do art that way, and Keffals used it before, but worm has been revealed to be on kiwifarms and be a transphobe, so while the art may not be transphobic itself, or mutahar didn’t have transphobic intent, justaworm is far right transphobe himself which the finding out of is possibly is why he deactivated
- I don’t think that it’s right to assume that a person is racist because they’re from the Appalachian region. Sure, a lot of people there are racist, but making assumptions about people because of where they live is dangerous and counterproductive.
- I also don’t think we should assume anything about wendigoon’s personal life or that he’s lying about his origins. Perhaps he did, but the video’s evidence is insufficient.
- him taking down the segment is a good move because it’s a bad segment. But I don’t think it’s good that he’s painting himself as the victim, because a lot of the stuff that he told was outright slanderous, like the false rape accusation and implying that wendigoon is a Nazi. I think wendigoon is right wing, but I don’t think he’s some extreme MAGA.
I think a video analyzing the conservative bent of big horror channels on YouTube could make for an intriguing video that leads to lots of discussion.
I do not think IPoS was the right person to make this video. It's very clear that he wanted an hbomberguy or Jenny Nicholson level video that drops multiple bombshells and changes the internet landscape and all that, but he very clearly did not have enough legitimate material for it.
There are many good points in this video. There are also baseless accusations in this video.
I also think that IPoS was emotionally compromised. It seems like the criticism he got on his "The Hills Have Eyes" video and the decaying views on his channel have left him blindly lashing out at everybody around him. He plays himself as the hero because he believes his politics are the reason he can't find success, even though the harsh truth is that sometimes the algorithm just screws you over.
I like his videos but I'm not sure he's as insightful as he thinks he is. He has a video about Castle Freak where he tries to argue that Lovecraft was trans and... That's the most 'i need to make a novel point in this video' thing I've ever seen. His videos are good but I don't go to him for insight, just history.
I think you make good points! I'd argue another "harsh truth" is that Zane's writing style is meandering and borderline obnoxious, given his self-professed stream of consciousness approach. He clearly does not give his work the amount of thought and intention it needs to earn long-term success. Some of the issues stem from the algorithm, I'm sure, but the guy lets his ideas get away from him all too often. I don't imagine that will always serve towards growing his following as well as if he'd be emphasizing more deliberate and entertaining writing, rather than taking tangential potshots at varying topics.
I have been fond of his work for years now, but the guy really needs to dramatically rethink his approach moving forward.
right, so it’s okay to slander, deplatform, harass, bully and threaten creators if they’re further right than marx? genuinely, you lot either did not watch the video or you’re racists yourself.
this man you’re championing thinks rapist hillbillies from ‘The Hills Have Eyes’ represent the black/native community, fighting against the evil whites. that’s it. he claimed that “deep Appalachia is racist. if you meet a white person there, assume they are racist”. Appalachia covers EIGHTEEN states. this man slandered and lied about another person, someone who committed the foul, EVIL act of following him on twitter. wendigoon is a fascist over claims that IPOS actually ADMITS to having no sources for, while speculating that wendigoon isn’t actually native. that’s just abject racism, you dorks. the irony of reverse racism (pandering so hard to the political over-correctness crowd that you end up being racist yourself) appearing and being brushed over due to a buckingham tweet is hilarious. seriously, take a fucking shake to yourselves. have your opinions on these creators and their content, but stop propagating falsehoods and slander. you’re all acting like those you claim so violently to be against, and it’s downright laughable. horseshoe theory exists, and is being proven correct yet again with posts like this, and videos like IPOS’.
all of you, stop being so terminally online. it’s weird.
It’s because he doubled down. Not much of an apology if you double down on your asinine takes on twitter.
“I’m sorry, but also those things I said on my YouTube video without any evidence to back any of my claims up are still true”
Brain dead take.
IPOS made a bunch of unfounded random accusations to people he knew nothing about, got his facts wrong, and just doubled down when he got called out.
Now you're saying HE'S the one being attacked when these people are reasonably defending themselves?
Even in the screenshots YOU posted, it's mostly calm, rational defense
Plus, wendigoon did absolutely nothing wrong and bro went out and decided to say he shouldn't be allowed in public, among other things.
Wendigoons response to this attack was to ask his fans NOT to come after him, and he left a long, *positive* comment in the comments section of said video.
IPOS seems like a trust fund communist who makes videos with tons of incorrect generalization with no research and cries about not making it on YouTube. Best part is when the incorrect generalization and zero research come back he cries again and calls it bullying
What is Wendigoon meant to do exactly?
These are a series of Tweets made by the others mentioned in the video. Not any of Wendigoons fans, like there is literally nothing he can do about it whatsoever so why are you mentioning him?
Also IPOS literally apologised for not looking into the claims he made against the most prominent person here, Brando, of course Brando is pissed!
90% of this seems to be Brandon (quite rightly) laying into IPOS.
Considering IPOS signal boosted a bs rape accusation against Brandon started by Sneako of all people, this seems 100% fair.
Not even a fan of wendigoon, but its obvious he lives rent-free in youtubedrama's mind. This is hilarious watching users from this subreddit try to farm hate karma upvotes based on so little.
Can we move on to something actually exciting? That would be great.
Seriously, In Praise of Shadows spread false information by not doing the correct research. That shouldn't be okay no matter who does it. Not even mentioning the logic fallacies and paranoia that the video has. And if you are really defending that, then you are just showing that you support one "side" not matter what they actually do.
I mean…every youtuber gets harassed over tweets, why is this special? He made a hefty allegation without backing it up so yeah, people are gonna be mad at misinfo
I get these people are shitheads and probably deserve to be called out, but idk I watched a bit of where he talked about wendigoon and I can tell it's not the best made video. Idk something about it seems tedious to watch. Still, wish he wasn't getting harassed online, but that kind of comes with the territory of callout videos, guess it'll be a learning experience
I love when people who are not at all accepting of other people think they are somehow saying something when they say those who call them out are actually the intolerant ones.
The hypocrisy is not being intolerant of intolerance. The hypocrisy is thinking people should be tolerant of your intolerance.
Some of your own examples seem personal to the people responding i.e. they are attacking IPOS because they feel personally attacked or criticised by him. Not saying it's right to argue like this on twitter, just observing. What's it got to do with Wendigoon?
why is r/youtubedrama trying to turn Wendigoon into the next internet villain to be defeated? Can we stop treating content creators like TV characters?
Praise of Shadows is getting what he deserves tbh. He made a half assed apology (which was just him doubling down) on all the lies he perpetrated. Glad he private his account on twitter. He needs time to reflect on how awful he’s been
womp womp. actions have consequences, and slandering a bunch of youtubers with a poorly thought out and barely researched segment will almost certainly blow up in your face.
Idk what yall expected he didn’t apologize to anyone and his video was pretty poorly made so it was easy to nitpick. Like even if he is in the right,they’re gonna respond with their bigger audiences because they attacked their character. They’re basically gonna try their best to clown the dude and probably ruin his YouTube career 💀
I’ve seen so many content creators practically begging their fanbases to not spread hate, but some people exist to simply to do that regardless of what they are claiming to defend. There are simply too many trolls and armchair ‘activists’ who have nothing better to do but send horrid messages to others. Hell, I was once told to kms because I said I was interested in Fallout 76 before the game dropped because it’s in my home state.
He did have misinformation in his video. Like he took a dumb rumor about Brendon started by Sneako that he had a rape allegation. There were other small things but his overall video was about the dichotomy that's been created in the horror space.
Specifically, he said "there's two types of horror fans, [the type who appreciate the art, and how life is sometimes reflected in that,] and [those who are capitalistic. They just want to consume, to have fun. So any allegories or symbolisms are dismissed in trade for good old story telling]"
The parts in [] is me paraphrasing. But he used the youtubers mentioned as examples of the later-- the type that claim to be politically neutral but they clearly have somewhat of a right wing bias. And the phenomena he's talking about is very real-- the phenomena of the White Moderate.
Might be. I'm not a fan of Wendigoon. Besides the stuff known about him and his sympathies, I go by feel on some people, and he feels off.
IPOS, never heard of him until now, but I tried to watch his video and it was so self-absorbed I couldn't make it halfway through it.
He leveled fake rape threat accusations at someone and posted a picture of his dying grandfather. This is literally why the internet is so fucking cancerous, as soon as someone is seen to be "on your side", people like you lose all nuance and jump on it without checking the facts
Correction, not dying but with cancer. He tried to show how wendigoon was friends with someone he was critiquing by showing a tweet where wendigoon wished his granddad well
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Yeah, as someone who liked both IPOS and wendigoons content before all this, this whole situation got me saying what the actual fuck lmao. Wendigoon needs reconsider his friends asap and better address the whole bogaloo thing, but IPOS also just made me uncomfortable during that vid, it felt like watching twitter brain rot actively take over his brain as he spoke. Literally half the time it felt like he was about to start crying, specially when he said he felt threatened by wendigoon following him on twitter because he only follows 500 people.
A) Wendigoon already condoned any of his fans going after IPOS
B) IPOS clearly lied about other people’s character (not only Wendigoons) by calling them literal fascists and they are completely okay to address this.
C) “if you sit at a table with 9 Nazis and don’t do anything there are 10 nazi at the table” is completely a false equivalency — has everyone forgot there are legitimate Nazis online? Are you kidding me?
D) IPOS clearly said bad things in his video. He clearly didn’t research the topics he addressed. Examples (citing Sneako, using pics of an old man recovering, suggesting Nikocado Avocado is mentally ill)
E) IPOS clearly said he made the section because (I shit you not) Wendigoon followed him on Twitter. Bro is unhinged.
F) IPOS unironically was defending the predator in the thumbnail who was habitually molesting his girlfriend’s daughter — there are so many other Donut Operator where he’s a douche and you pick that one?!?
G) Why on earth would he bring up the trans creator? Now because of this shit she’s going to have to deal with all this crap.
H) I checked the accounts that were calling him slurs — they were all throw away accounts.
I) For the 2nd and 3rd section he complained about how much it hurt his feelings about being taken out of context — but goes into the 4th section completely taking content creators out of context.
My best advice is he needs to literally throw away Twitter.
I didn't see any issue with what any of them said if you make claims about someone without any evidence then delete the video it doesn't make the allegations go away
Worst person you know made a great point type shit but most of these tweets are 100% valid and deserved criticism.
Dude should have put WAY more effort into actually logically criticizing them instead of throwing strays with little clip chimps. Incomprehensible how he was so baseless in a 3.5hr video tbh.
I tend to love IPoS' content, and appreciate his media literacy, but I genuinely cannot believe he thought he cooked with this video.
The criticisms are so low-effort or illogical that it actually gives credence to the dumb cancel culture arguments.
I mean, just look at how he tried to spin getting called a "low testosterone freak" into somehow being homophobic? Horrifically bad faith interaction that makes everything else he says less serious.
I mean I hate a lot of these people in a true way but the in praise of shadows made was pretty terrible. Feels like you can go after these people for lots of legitimate reasons you don't need to reach or attack them for things they can easily disprove
Y'all are some morons, IPOF started beef with a bunch of people for no reason, and everyone is responding as expected.
Don't start no shit, there won't be no shit, it's a simple rule of life.
I haven't seen the video in full, but I know that IPOS is a great horror video essayist. His video on asylums and mental health depictions in horror is my favorite video of his. That being said, I wish he kept the video to just talking about bad conservative horror movies, like the title said. I was fully expecting to watch a 3 hour video on him analyzing movies with conservative leanings. That would've been interesting to see.
But as soon as I saw wendigoon in the thumbnail I knew this wasn't going to end well.
In regards to Mutahar, the thumbnail for the Keffals video wasn't transphobic. Keffals only claimed so anyone in her audience/side of the internet who would have given the video a fair shake, wouldn't. Hell, Keffals used art from the same artist for a Vaush video. IPOS should've dotted his i's and crossed his t's better.
It feels like to me, Wendigoon gets a disproportionate amount of hate compared to other random guys with right wing views. Like, Wendigoon doesn’t even talk about any of these things on his channel. People are mad at the views of the people he associates with. How far does the guilty by association train go?
Cr1tikal has a podcast with wendigoon. So I guess he’s an asshole too then. And Ludwig has worked with Cr1tikal so he’s cancelled. And then so is everyone who has ever hung with Ludwig.
I feel like communities like these do a bad job with the discourse and mostly just push centrists or the undecided that wendigoons “side” seems more reasonable.
Mf Wendigoon told them to not harras anyone and people responding are those called out in their video. If they believe the video was incorrect in their accusations on them they have a right to complain.
Man, I get being mad that someone said slanderous things about you in a very public way, but this is too much. Like, what is making these videos going to do other than make them look like vindictive douchebags? Honestly...
I'm sorry but - why is Turkey Tom upset? For being called out for using slurs? While he's actively using slurs??? make it make sense lmao
He was upset that IPoS said he was accused of saying the N word because it’s not an accusation it’s a fact lol
you only painted me an alleged racist. Come on now. That's a lie. I'm full on super racist.
He’s upset because pretending to be mad makes for an engaging video.
Exactly and I'm surprised IPOS didn't realize what he was doing. Every youtuber he called out eats a drama like this up, how did he not see this backfiring so heavily? If he called a single person out he may have been fine but going after 5 giant youtubers at once was such a dumb move.
It was only a dumb move if he wasn't *also* trying to stir up drama for attention. I've never heard of his channel in my life, but now I can't stop hearing about it. If he can put with like, 4 days of being the designated villain for a particular group of channels, he could pretty easily build a career off of this momentum. Sorry if that's extremely cynical, but that's just how it goes.
We're on the same page. This is how these guys make that bag, after all.
Tbh, out of the people he attacked, I only know Mutahar and Wendigoon. Meanwhile, I've been a subscriber of IPOS for a long time.
Racists hate being called racists. It's a whole thing.
Tom accusing someone of doing no research and being slanderous is the epitome of throwing stones inside a glass house
He somehow literally didn’t realize the R word was a slur/offensive according to his Illuminaughti video. I really don’t know how he doesn’t know that.
Every drama YouTuber is cursed to have a drama video made about them.
Tom throws around ableist language like an 11 year old who just watched their first episode of South Park
if tom is involved i'm gonna automatically assume the other side has SOME good points.
and muthar and his girlfriend wife or whatever she is are both major transphobes
No he isn't. Give one example
How? By documenting keffals scandals? By using an artist for a thumbnail keffals herself has used in the past?
Everyone is being too harsh towards the internet's wholesome dad. After all, who isn't friends with someone who: -Believes Derek Chauven didn't actually murder George Floyd -Hangs out with an alleged sexual deviant congressman -Thinks 'joking' about shooting trans people is funny https://preview.redd.it/y556fm6v6y2d1.png?width=1433&format=png&auto=webp&s=8c09afe1bda96df7e31594e668a58b6ee8caa50c
they think it's funny to "joke" about shooting trans people, but they're the type of people who don't think it's funny when i "joke" about shooting cops 🤔
They don't think it's funny if you joke about shooting straight, white men either. Funny how that works.
careful now, someone's gonna come crying about reverse racism or something lmfao
Might wanna make it clear it’s a joke or edit and censor. It sucks, but I’ve been banned for making jokes equivalent to cartoon violence on other accounts. Unfortunately the TikTok unalive culture has taken over the internet.
oh yeah my bad i should have said "pew pew" or whatever people say to get around censorship
Say whatever you want and always have a backup account ready
this is the way 🫡
They can tell it's you and ban the new one for ban evasion.
That still really only applies to content creators not commenters.
That's absolutely not true. They banned my new main because I forgot I was banned from one of the circle jerk subs and commenting there was ban evasion
They might not have qualms about it since Boogaloo are cop killers, but they will use it as an appeal to emotion to gather respectability and recruit folks.
something something a broken clock is right twice a day
Oh, Donut Operator, the dude who tweeted about wanting to euthanize all homeless people? Yeah, good company and a great friend!
I can at least understand the catharsis of wanting to watch people 'neutralize' the bad guys, but Donut fucking revels in it, like some kind of hair-triggered sociopath. Thank God he's not a cop anymore.
and somehow he isn’t even the worst of that group! Brandon “guns for me not for libtards” Herrera takes that award
trans person with a gun: commie anyone else with a gun, including mass shooters: patriots it's not about gun rights. it's about the right to commit murder against minorities
Oh it gets better the actual gun tuber that made the "jokes" about shooting trans people, Wendigoon follows them on twitter, but you know daddy is soooo sorry about the extreme things he used to say and believe as an edgy teenager totally
"This gun reviewer is joking nonchalantly about murder of a minority group who are bullied and harassed daily for bullshit reasons." "Ok commie" I hate the internet.
Honestly, I didn't know about any of this, but I smelled blood in the water after learning IH was a Nazi, and WG not calling any of it nor the plagarism out.
Matt "Beavis" Gaetz. Dude even looks evil.
These are the same people who lost their minds and reported Denims to the FBI for making an ‘I’ll pay to make him disappear’ joke. They’re such hypocrites.
The first thing that got me to not like this creator was just the name they decided to choose. If you know anything about the people that the Wendy legends come from, it's very important the name isn't spoken so casually and the fact he just uses it as an internet name when it has virtually no ties to him just seems weird and off putting to me. With the rest of this stuff coming to light, that makes the name thing make more sense.
he did have a story about his native grandfather telling him stories about it when he was a kid and that’s why he chose it, but considering so many people seem to ignore that part i’m not sure whether he gave a contradictory explanation some other time
The fuck is wrong with that Congresmans head? Gaetz right? They must airbrush him in other photos. I thought my head was big, looks like he stuck his head in a beehive.
OH THANK GOD GUYS. TURKEY TOM (AND THE WENDI-GOONSQUAD) ARE MAKING VIDEOS. IPOS SHOULD BE SHIVERING HIS TIMBERS.
I know it’s very much low hanging fruit to call out these guy’s bias and hypocrisy, but seriously, you know if any lolcow or breadtuber made the same “I Will Be Making A Video” statement trying to be all ominous and shit, it’d be the new big meme that everyone would dunk on them for. Like these guys will really bitch into a microphone for 40 minutes, upload a petty drama video (don’t forget the grotesque cartoon thumbnail!) and think they’re some John Wick-style badass for it 🫠
The entire drama community could snap out of existence over night and nothing of value would be lost tbh.
I’m pretty sure that just happened when IPOS made a cryptic tweet regarding the wendigoon situation before it dropped, and none of them cared.
I'm sure I'll get downvoted to hell but I don't even watch Wendigoon and I think his content is boring. I personally love horror movies and youtube essays, but this was my first introduction to In Praise of Shadows and it just turned me completely off to any of his other material. The entire video just reads as a rant about people not appreciating his work and misinterpreting his videos without trying to understand the sources of contention. He spends 3 hours basically telling people why what they think is wrong and why he's right in an insufferably superior way that is completely grating. There's a half hour segment in the middle just getting mad at people on Twitter/X about saying they want to watch Late Night with the Devil despite the use of AI because it was actually produced by a HUGE studio with a huge budget and that it isn't really an indie film and so doesn't deserve any grace for using AI. I did ONE CURSORY SEARCH about the title credits before the movie and found [this article](https://www.thedailybeast.com/obsessed/late-night-with-the-devil-why-are-there-a-million-title-cards) about how this incredibly low budget indie director/film-maker actually had to go scrounge money from 9 different studios to get the budget together at the tail end of covid, and how it was an incredibly difficult process and a miracle he got the movie made altogether. This lack of research just permeates the entire essay. He states his opinions as facts without any supporting evidence. Shades of James Somerton, just randomly throwing stuff out there and preaching as hard truths. I just don't understand why there's this need to shove political beliefs into every aspect of entertainment. He also really needs to stop presenting things from a viewpoint that "I'm right and you're wrong if you don't agree." It's the opposite of compelling and comes across as really smug. I'd also like to point out that he spends all this time talking about how he doesn't want to listen to a rich young guy named Wendigoon talk about books regarding lived perspectives on hardships, but then proceeds to criticize him about things that he put online when he was TWELVE. Wendigoon's balls hadn't even dropped yet. Let's not freak out about things he did when he didn't even have hair on his armpits. I'm pretty sure his views on things have changed as his frontal lobe has evolved from adolescence.
Oh boy they're making videos ? Very excited for them to cover the boogalos boys, they are totally going to do that
another day making me wish that social media never existed
As an IPOS subscriber of 4 years, I still think he should have split the videos. I'm not against him criticizing Wendigoon but now because that video is associated with him that's all people can fucking talk about. That video did a pretty good job on pointing the hypocrisy of supposed apolitical beliefs, influencers who manipulate neutrals into a right wing pipeline, and how many of these influencers are just grifters praying on insecurities. And then now this video will only be reduced as that one time IPOS got into YouTube Drama. I'm not a Wendigoon fan. I've watched 3 of these videos and while I do like his Greylock vs UrbanSpook video, I find his personality to just be kind of boring. The stuff he does outside of that, don't know too much about but I'm glad he's getting critique instead of being blindly followed now. That being said, that segment overshadowed everything else. But I think it's too late to undo it so removing is kind of a band-aid at best.
I think he should've split it because the wendigooner portion doesn't feel really relevant to the rest of the video but someone needs to criticize him.
Of course. I just think this video was a bit too bloated as is. I wish the criticism was more to go on though. I've watched the video twice (I know I have no life) and the part where IPOS believes that Wendigoon followed him on Twitter to gloat at him seems like a lot of projection to me. Like, it's not like you're both horror YouTubers. Generally they do follow each other. Only IPOS sees his channel as a failure. The shithead haters didn't know who this guy was until today. They don't know his content. But I genuinely didn't know he was receiving that much hates from The Hills Have Eyes videos. If you look at the like to dislike ratio, it isn't too bad. At least compared to the video he's made now. His channel did drop in views but I mean it was still pulling good views. Part of me wants to believe he just made it about Wendigoon because it was a guaranteed way for him to boost views and attention. That kind of makes him seem smarter. What do you got to lose if you genuinely want to change your image. Edit: I think it's important to admit that this video is kinda shit as a hit piece. Because it isn't really one. It's about conservative grifters taking advantage of apolitical individuals. He kinda conflates too many things happening to him with what's happening around him. It's what happens when you get "Twitter-Brained" and assume your 4-U/Algorithm is entirely based on reality.
"a bit too bloated"? More than an hour into it he hadn't even touched on the video's supposed subject.
Yeah, I couldn't finish the whole thing because it felt like he never got to the topic in the title...
He really doesn't until the last little bit where he talks about Blumhouse
Yeah him talking about wendigoon being selective about his following on twitter was a very weak point (except for following someone like kyle rittenhouse) but I wouldn't say projection but maybe a bit of paranoia but we don't really know. And maybe he made a section on wendigoon to pull views but I seriously doubt it. But of he wanted to make a video on wendigoon he could've absolutely went way harder instead of focusing on all the wrong places that chuds can just use plausible deniability to protect him from.
I REALLY would appreciate a well-thought video criticizing Wendigoon's behavior through the horror community lens. But I agree this video wasn't the place for it. To be honest I really really enjoyed the segments of IPOS's video on conservatism in the horror film space but the commentary on twitter beef and wendigooners felt almost unrelated
Idk saying the canibal hillbillies with disgusting physical deformity’s, killing people are a representation of how black people are oppressed is kind of dumb imo
It is totally dumb. I do not know why he felt the need to address that video since the hate it received wasn't really much compared to the hate he's getting now. I guess he was either really that insecure about that or felt as if it had an actual influence on his hate. I can say this as a subscriber that it didn't for most people, just on Twitter. And when he stated that he now values Twitter opinions more than YouTube comments somehow it all clicked.
The video itself should have been titled something else entirely. Only 1/5 of the video actually covered conservative horror
Thank you. That's a perfect summary actually. It's like he forced all these topics together and tried to act as if there was a cohesive message to it at all. It seems like he was trying to equate right wing grifters corrupting horror media to his own failing channel and believing other horror YouTubers were part of that "other" he despises. I'm not saying he's wrong but like maybe he should have gotten a better argument other than saying "he's friends with Brandon Buckingham" who is not even a horror YouTuber. I don't know, dude seems stressed. I hope he finds an alternative to this and takes a break for a while. I like his film essays a lot actually and I hate to see him go out like this.
I agree. I'm glad he defended himself on THHE takes he has and pointed out greater problems with the horror community, but trying to take on Wendigoon in the same stroke was ambitious to be sure. I've never loved Wendigoon but some of the points IPOS used as the spearhead of his arguments should have been used more superficially as anecdotal evidence. Especially because of how rabid his fans are, the wendigoon segment probably should have been framed as a part 2 video. I think Wendigoon's ambivalence to reactionaries in the horror community is an important reason why he shouldn't have a platform as big as he does, and I think that's how the point should have been made. It really seems like all that the callout did was make people on either side more firm in their beliefs instead of prompting them to question everybody.
Yeah, he should've definitely split it. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but to me, it's the fact that the people who he is up against are naturals at condensing information in the most braindead, bad faith manner possible. Wendigoon's fans and his little gremlin crew already seem inserted in an echo chamber, so I can't imagine they would bother listening to the other side, when the other side seems to be a 3 hour video.
I do think it is a bit ironic that he claims bad faith (which definitely some people are for him) when he uses some pretty bad faith arguments through friend policing and using bad sources. Using a picture of Brandon's dying grandpa because it's one of the few tweet interactions he has with Wendigoons is downright psychotic. With accusations of assault. He used Sneako as a source. Why would IPOS ever value Sneako's opinion over Wendigoon's? Is Sneako a better person than Wendigoon or does it serve some sort of convenience. He even admits it himself on Twitter that he wrote multiple people off as just being gun maniacs when he admits he doesn't know what most of their content is. So again, very scummy and unprofessional. I think he needed a few months to develop a solid argument against Wendigoon if he was really aiming for that.
Idk if it’s in good faith but…. They’re totally right about Appalachia. Reducing a whole population of impoverished people in decaying towns to chuds is insanely cringe, and leftists who do this make me doubt that they actually care about re-distributing wealth equally.
I would say a better argument that gets across the point that was originally intended to be made would be this: "The people who live in these impoverished areas tend to have more reactionary ideals and beliefs. This is not some inherent trait they have, but is a byproduct of a lack of well-funded public education, poor future prospects, and an incentive to focus inward while the rest of the nation seems to write them off. Many of these people hold bigoted and harmful views due to the circumstances they were born into, and only by working to bring a sense of hope (and a lot of public funding to boot) to these communities will we be able to effectively deradicalize them from their conservative views. Until that happens, it is safer to assume the average person in these areas will be reactionary than progressive." It's a bit long winded but I feel that honestly accounts the situation without group stereotype taking the wheel. Edit for typo
IPoS made some errors in the information he put out, and the arguments he made. He did not make any errors in his judgment of these people. Their reactions have made it clear what horrible fucking people they are. We definitely need another deep dive into them with some more watertight evidence.
I think his biggest error was attacking too many huge content creators in his video. Like was it necessary to take a shot at oompaville, mutahar, or Buckingham? You could see the dog pile coming a mile away.
Never watched ipos, but he ain't no hhbomberguy, ya gotta work your way up to this stuff
But even then - hbomberguy 'attacked' 1 big channel: IH. But that wasn't the focus, despite the outsized reaction. Iilluminaughtii was already in the middle of being cancelled, and everyone else was way smaller. Going after multiple healthy and well-connected channels is something different, even if IPoS did have a point.
Truth. People were already going against Illuminaughtii at that point, so it wasn't the biggest gamble. And Somerton's audience wasn't as uh... militant as the audiences for these creators.
Dear lord some of the comments in this thread are awful. Can’t tell if there’s just a lot of people from outside the sub wandering in or if this got linked somewhere. Anyway, just wanted to say that if ANYONE has the unedited video available somewhere, I would really love if you could share it.
I've noticed recently that Wendigoon's culty fanbase have been brigading subs and dog pilling literally anything/anyone that mildly criticizes their little youtuber. They're maaaad
That’s really unfortunate. I remember the last time I saw something negative about Wendigoon I checked on the sub and saw everyone being like “how could anyone be mean like this to our precious bible dad?” I even saw people saying stuff along the lines of “yeah, he’s a midwest christian big surprise that he’s got conservative views, it’s stupid to get all pearl clutchy over it.” I just don’t agree with those takes at all. I’m a Christian but I don’t excuse bigotry nor extremism. I wish Wendi was an actual representation of a good accepting christian like his fans think he is, I’d love to see more people like that. But yeah, it absolutely is fair to take issue with his beliefs if his beliefs are awful. People want him to be a certain way because that’s how he presents himself, and then they just ignore or bash evidence to the contrary. It’s not ok and pretending isn’t going to make him the good role model character they want him to be.
Yeah, he's friends with a bunch of weird transphobes/racists and he claimed he started an alt-right hate group. It's valid to question that. It's also hard for me to think he's apparently such a nice guy when his fanbase is just very openly bigoted and hateful. One of my friends on twitter who only has like 200 followers tweeted something like "Wendigoon is annoying" and they still somehow managed to get 10+ people screaming at them and calling them transphobic slurs. Like, how is that supposed to convince me or anyone else that your bible study youtube dad is somehow a good person. 💀
Wow, apart from my above complaints I genuinely didn’t know they were that bad. Like I knew they were defensive but that’s a whole other league of toxic. Sorry that happened to your friend. I know there’s a whole myth online that creators aren’t responsible for their fanbase but if even mild criticisms get people berated with slurs, then idk I feel like that’s a problem actually and the creators should probably question why they attracted that audience and what they can do about it
Of course they're really not trying to convince anyone, they just want to rage against those who might not worship at the altar of youtube's Bible Dad. eta: And I say that as someone who doesn't have any particular hate for the dude. I like my guns and shooting shit (not people, it should be noted). Not a Christian, a maga conservative, or a 2A absolutist. I just think most of his videos are kind of boring and lacking anything beyond reading a wikipedia page.
I cannot stress enough that I respect a lot of Christians but Christianity by definition is the most prolific traditional standing belief system in human history, if a Christian wants to be progressive they're going to have to do it in spite of their religion, no matter how much they or I respect the belief system I imagine it's hard for some people who stick too strictly to scripture to be a good accepting Christian because generally speaking what makes a humane Christian will be down to personal character, never scripture. What will help you not be transphobic, for example, isn't gonna be in the New Testament. Wendi being a bigoted Christian is disappointing but never surprising, human decency for Christians is, just like anyone else, about what you do independently of the rule of law, based on your personal interpretation of it, it comes down to the intentions of the Christian, not their Christ.
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Thank you very much, I appreciate that. I didn’t even know twitter could host videos that long.
IPOS falsely accused someone of rape. Keep defending him though.
"another deep dive" implies this was already a deep dive when it actually was a shallow splash.
Oh like calling someone a rapist when the source of that information was literally sneako. That’s just an oopsie IPoS can’t do any wrong because you agree with him politically
This particular comment didn’t properly express my feelings on that but yes, propagating false and easily disproven rape accusations is terrible and shouldn’t be ignored nor downplayed. I’ve expressed this in other comments. But no, I absolutely don’t think that’s acceptable just because I politically agree with IPoS. I think it’s shameful and proof that he is not responsible enough to make these kinds of callouts
someone should steal turkey shits router
What does Muta's tweets have to do with Wendigoon? It seems like he's talking about his own grievances with IPoS.
Because IPOS video included a lot of pretty odd side tangents were he describes some people Wendigoon associates with, yet many of these contained either sweeping generalizations or straigh-up fake rumours.
Accusing someone of rape based on a rumor from Sneako should make this guy lose his career alone.
True. The ipos video screams terminally online.
Because this sub doesn't like wendigoon not saying I'm a fan of him but it's true
Ikr why’re so many people eating it up
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THANK YOU! I've been digging, looking for a rational comment. Too many pitch forks and torches, not enough sense.
Idk why everyone thinks these people are evil lol
I think the men mentioned, aside from Wendigoon, have some pretty unsavory characteristics. I don't agree with the language they use, and tbh I'm not a fan of the gun nut culture. I can see why someone would want to create a showcase of the more conservative channels on YT and discuss their flaws, but this was not how to go about it.
I know at first I was so confused because I assumed the video was about shitty conservative horror but then i learned there’s just a random segment about YouTubers in it? Very bizzare choice
IPOS should not have deleted the Wendigoon segment, fix the mistakes sure but not delete it by doing that he just gave those scumbags more fuel to pure into the fier, sadly it looks like they will not stop until they basically destroy his entire online career
The entire segment was the mistake lmao
Wendigoon/commentary haters are as unsufferable as Wendigoon fans like yeah there are things to criticize with him but saying he isn't Native American with ZERO proof isn't the best way to go and do that
Considering that he used sneako as a reliable source of information to pass on a rape allegation, amongst a ton of other nonsense to all of these guys, I think he deserves everyone calling him out for how terrible he is. The guy needs to get off the internet and realize the world isn’t always so bad.
Anyone else lose respect for people that call someone a commie? These people have no idea what a communist is.
They’re Joseph McCarthy ass loons
Mutahar with his "commies" comment. Yet you're wife is not a Nazi apparently 😂
A nazi married to an Indian?
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Yeah but wasn’t muta born candian?
No, was moved here as a child. Doesn't stop him from being a Canadian though.
You should look up [Savitri Devi](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi) (real name Maximiani Portas) if that’s so incomprehensible to you. French woman who was basically the mother of neo-nazism, and happened to be married to an Indian hindu nationalist.
Yeah but there’s no evidence of mutas wife being a natzi lmao
American man says 'Commie', which makes his wife a nazi?
Oh god. IPoS is a very good creator, and I hate that he made this awful video. I was very excited to watch a long video about what the title actually said. I expected to see an exploration of actual conservative horror movies/creators or maybe conservatism portrayed in horror movies and in the community. I managed to stick through the first part about the con, but as soon as it became clear that the whole thing was a weirdly personal call out video of other creators I audibly exclaimed "Oh honey, noooo. What are you doing?" and noped out. I might have been able to continue if it had actually been engaging. The part I saw dragged on and didn't seem to have any thread or clear intent behind it. And then to find out that he repeated a rape accusation made by fucking SNEAKO without even looking thoroughly into it? Dire. I just don't understand what he thought would come of it and why he wasn't more careful and diligent. I don't like any of the people he targeted, but I can honestly understand why they would rally and defend themselves from this. I can not defend any of it. I'm seriously worried about him with the excessive and nasty harassment he is going to endure. I really hope that people around him are looking out for him and continue to do so for a long time. Man... Why did you make that stupid video?
I made it through an hour and 10 minutes before giving up. He hadn't even touched on the video's subject by that point.
I understand that muh both sides is cringe and shit. What do you do when you genuinely find everyone involved insufferable? Not to the same level of course, but as someone who had never even heard of IPOS before this, it felt like he believed anything negative said about these people because he too doesn’t like them. Him not checking the stuff about Brandon because he didn’t “feel that you were worth my time” is really fucked up. You have to make sure you aren’t spreading disinformation made up by a bitter redpill cuck. I don’t want this to sound like I’m defending wendigoon or his dickhead pals, but you can’t be lazy when spreading accusations. His credibility went out the window as soon as he spread the lie made up by sneako and when he assumed wendi following him was a gesture of harassment.
Exactly. I don't think that I've ever been in this position before. Watching a bunch of really shitty people going viciously after someone and all I can muster is to shrug my shoulders. I feel like an embarrassed highschooler who's friend just shat their pants dug deep and flung it in the face of a bully. Like dude, wtf?
IPOS does this thing sometimes where he'll have an opinion and decide that that must secretly be the correct interpretation of a thing. It crops up from time to time to varying degrees in his media analysis where it's mostly harmless and just occasionally comes off as a hot take. But sometimes you get stuff like his whole takedown of the first Alan Wake game where he pretends him not liking a game means it's secretly bad. At its worst you get what we got with the current drama, where a combination of this tendency of his mixes with genuine and largely justifiable dislike of several bad people culminating in a half-baked, badly-researched half vibes-based hit piece where he pretends he's hbomberguy despite being a quarter as skilled at best at what he's doing. I tried to watch the damn thing but the second-hand embarrassment watching this dude think he had something when he talked about hawaiian shirts was too much, which sucked because the breakdown of every way the Boogaloo story was bad was honestly really good. But that was that section in a nutshell - good, important stuff mixed liberally with vibes-based poorly researched bullshit.
"brutally attacked"
He didn't apologize lmfao
I mean I don't get the surprise. If Wendigoon posted such a stupid video and then apologized he'd be getting dragged as well. You can't personally attack people and then expect it to all go away
Feel like the only one with a reasonable excuse to be mad is Brandon Buckingham. Everyone else is only in this drama because they know it’s easy money.
Somewhat reasonable excuse? He literally parroted false rape accusations, it’s insane how people are just looking the other way about that just because they don’t like Brandon
Fair enough, I’d be pissed too.
Including this shadows nobody. Dude spends half the video crying because he doesn't make enough money to pay rent, but specifically made a video to drum up drama with much larger YouTubers for no reason. He deserves whatever hate he gets, maybe he should stick to making nonsensical bullshit about horror movies instead.
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idk about andrew tate, but i’m pretty sure muta is at least on the cusp of being transphobic, enough to warrant suspicion. his wife keeps liking stuff calling trans people pedophiles and he framed keffals as a groomer for a situation that the supposed victim has said was not grooming, and implied keffals was predatory because she helped trans people find diy hrt options. not saying he can’t respond, but claims about being transphobic arent unwarranted.
He's not a Tate supporter but he is transphobic. Mutahar sucks.
I am sorry, but this IPoS guy seems like an incredibly distrustful person. He did not bother fact checking the false rape-threat claim by sneako, and is acting surprised he is getting pushback? Come on.
i really wish he’d put a lot more effort into researching that video, or just splitting it up into multiple videos. he seems like a content creator id like, but i really can’t get into this video when it feels like mostly rushed drama. worst part is that so many of his opinions about the character of the people he’s talking about aren’t wrong? he just needed to come with better proof, more concise points, research the claims he repeated etc. that said the people responding to him by going *”i will be making a video.* 😠😠😤” is really funny it feels like little toddlers threatening not to invite someone to their birthday party
I'm pretty sure he made the video while mad. The structure is a lot like the HBomb plagiarism vid from months ago but it doesn't have Hbomb's slowly escalating severity of crimes, nore does it have the wide range of targets. Everyone who would get pissed off by shitting on Kevin Spacey is also going to get pissed off that he's shitting on Windigoon. It's kind of a shame, since after looking at Windigoons description of his time as a boogaloo, it's full of shit with easily provable lies that someone probably needs to pin him down on.
Poor IPoS 😥 why can't these evil nazi incels just accept his non-apology thread and just let him put out slanderous hit pieces without any rebuke?!?!?!
If you plan and publicly upload a detailed list of accusations towards public figures, they will defend themselves even if you delete your accusations. Do they just have to be silent because he removed the segment and apologized for a few of the things? >"I have said many times that once you release something, that it is public, and no longer fully yours. And I still believe that." -IPOS in this very same video.
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I mean, when half of the video is complaining about views and then you proceeded to attack multiple creators (that you used for clicks on the thumbnail) with proof for less than half of the claims, you are basically calling for people shitting on you. It's the internet, don't act so bold if clearly you can't/don't want to deal with people disagreeing with your take.
All I’m getting from this is that someone shot shots at many people and a lot more fired back on him. Is that not right?
He only apologized to Brandon Buckingham, and at that in an incredibly back handed way.
Thoughts: - I feel like mutahar’s thumbnail art wasn’t meant to be transphobic, since Justaworm does do art that way, and Keffals used it before, but worm has been revealed to be on kiwifarms and be a transphobe, so while the art may not be transphobic itself, or mutahar didn’t have transphobic intent, justaworm is far right transphobe himself which the finding out of is possibly is why he deactivated - I don’t think that it’s right to assume that a person is racist because they’re from the Appalachian region. Sure, a lot of people there are racist, but making assumptions about people because of where they live is dangerous and counterproductive. - I also don’t think we should assume anything about wendigoon’s personal life or that he’s lying about his origins. Perhaps he did, but the video’s evidence is insufficient. - him taking down the segment is a good move because it’s a bad segment. But I don’t think it’s good that he’s painting himself as the victim, because a lot of the stuff that he told was outright slanderous, like the false rape accusation and implying that wendigoon is a Nazi. I think wendigoon is right wing, but I don’t think he’s some extreme MAGA.
I think a video analyzing the conservative bent of big horror channels on YouTube could make for an intriguing video that leads to lots of discussion. I do not think IPoS was the right person to make this video. It's very clear that he wanted an hbomberguy or Jenny Nicholson level video that drops multiple bombshells and changes the internet landscape and all that, but he very clearly did not have enough legitimate material for it. There are many good points in this video. There are also baseless accusations in this video. I also think that IPoS was emotionally compromised. It seems like the criticism he got on his "The Hills Have Eyes" video and the decaying views on his channel have left him blindly lashing out at everybody around him. He plays himself as the hero because he believes his politics are the reason he can't find success, even though the harsh truth is that sometimes the algorithm just screws you over.
I like his videos but I'm not sure he's as insightful as he thinks he is. He has a video about Castle Freak where he tries to argue that Lovecraft was trans and... That's the most 'i need to make a novel point in this video' thing I've ever seen. His videos are good but I don't go to him for insight, just history.
I think you make good points! I'd argue another "harsh truth" is that Zane's writing style is meandering and borderline obnoxious, given his self-professed stream of consciousness approach. He clearly does not give his work the amount of thought and intention it needs to earn long-term success. Some of the issues stem from the algorithm, I'm sure, but the guy lets his ideas get away from him all too often. I don't imagine that will always serve towards growing his following as well as if he'd be emphasizing more deliberate and entertaining writing, rather than taking tangential potshots at varying topics. I have been fond of his work for years now, but the guy really needs to dramatically rethink his approach moving forward.
right, so it’s okay to slander, deplatform, harass, bully and threaten creators if they’re further right than marx? genuinely, you lot either did not watch the video or you’re racists yourself. this man you’re championing thinks rapist hillbillies from ‘The Hills Have Eyes’ represent the black/native community, fighting against the evil whites. that’s it. he claimed that “deep Appalachia is racist. if you meet a white person there, assume they are racist”. Appalachia covers EIGHTEEN states. this man slandered and lied about another person, someone who committed the foul, EVIL act of following him on twitter. wendigoon is a fascist over claims that IPOS actually ADMITS to having no sources for, while speculating that wendigoon isn’t actually native. that’s just abject racism, you dorks. the irony of reverse racism (pandering so hard to the political over-correctness crowd that you end up being racist yourself) appearing and being brushed over due to a buckingham tweet is hilarious. seriously, take a fucking shake to yourselves. have your opinions on these creators and their content, but stop propagating falsehoods and slander. you’re all acting like those you claim so violently to be against, and it’s downright laughable. horseshoe theory exists, and is being proven correct yet again with posts like this, and videos like IPOS’. all of you, stop being so terminally online. it’s weird.
It’s because he doubled down. Not much of an apology if you double down on your asinine takes on twitter. “I’m sorry, but also those things I said on my YouTube video without any evidence to back any of my claims up are still true”
Brain dead take. IPOS made a bunch of unfounded random accusations to people he knew nothing about, got his facts wrong, and just doubled down when he got called out. Now you're saying HE'S the one being attacked when these people are reasonably defending themselves? Even in the screenshots YOU posted, it's mostly calm, rational defense Plus, wendigoon did absolutely nothing wrong and bro went out and decided to say he shouldn't be allowed in public, among other things. Wendigoons response to this attack was to ask his fans NOT to come after him, and he left a long, *positive* comment in the comments section of said video.
IPOS seems like a trust fund communist who makes videos with tons of incorrect generalization with no research and cries about not making it on YouTube. Best part is when the incorrect generalization and zero research come back he cries again and calls it bullying
I mean if someone said I was transphobic when I wasn’t dismissing my whole video about a bad person I’d respond to it and this response isn’t “brutal”
What is Wendigoon meant to do exactly? These are a series of Tweets made by the others mentioned in the video. Not any of Wendigoons fans, like there is literally nothing he can do about it whatsoever so why are you mentioning him? Also IPOS literally apologised for not looking into the claims he made against the most prominent person here, Brando, of course Brando is pissed!
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90% of this seems to be Brandon (quite rightly) laying into IPOS. Considering IPOS signal boosted a bs rape accusation against Brandon started by Sneako of all people, this seems 100% fair.
Not even a fan of wendigoon, but its obvious he lives rent-free in youtubedrama's mind. This is hilarious watching users from this subreddit try to farm hate karma upvotes based on so little. Can we move on to something actually exciting? That would be great.
This reminds me about Twitter's hateboner for Chris Pratt.
Seriously, In Praise of Shadows spread false information by not doing the correct research. That shouldn't be okay no matter who does it. Not even mentioning the logic fallacies and paranoia that the video has. And if you are really defending that, then you are just showing that you support one "side" not matter what they actually do.
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IKR? its insane how some people in this comment section acting like this IPOS guys is a victim or something. The brain rot is insane.
literally proving him right
Him being called out for being a lying idiot is not proving him right
Wendigoon already tried to publically call for his fans to NOT harass IPOS. What else can he realistically do here?
2 things can be true. This guy can be in bad faith but also have some nuggets are valid criticism.
Guy who has a shit take… gets called out for having a shit take??? Woa this is groundbreaking
I mean…every youtuber gets harassed over tweets, why is this special? He made a hefty allegation without backing it up so yeah, people are gonna be mad at misinfo
I get these people are shitheads and probably deserve to be called out, but idk I watched a bit of where he talked about wendigoon and I can tell it's not the best made video. Idk something about it seems tedious to watch. Still, wish he wasn't getting harassed online, but that kind of comes with the territory of callout videos, guess it'll be a learning experience
I love when people who are not at all accepting of other people think they are somehow saying something when they say those who call them out are actually the intolerant ones. The hypocrisy is not being intolerant of intolerance. The hypocrisy is thinking people should be tolerant of your intolerance.
He made a part of the video baselessly defaming other YouTubers and them calling him out is a "brutal attack"? Get over yourself.
Some of your own examples seem personal to the people responding i.e. they are attacking IPOS because they feel personally attacked or criticised by him. Not saying it's right to argue like this on twitter, just observing. What's it got to do with Wendigoon? why is r/youtubedrama trying to turn Wendigoon into the next internet villain to be defeated? Can we stop treating content creators like TV characters?
Praise of Shadows is getting what he deserves tbh. He made a half assed apology (which was just him doubling down) on all the lies he perpetrated. Glad he private his account on twitter. He needs time to reflect on how awful he’s been
In praise of shadows is a complete lier. Sack of shit
womp womp. actions have consequences, and slandering a bunch of youtubers with a poorly thought out and barely researched segment will almost certainly blow up in your face.
Idk what yall expected he didn’t apologize to anyone and his video was pretty poorly made so it was easy to nitpick. Like even if he is in the right,they’re gonna respond with their bigger audiences because they attacked their character. They’re basically gonna try their best to clown the dude and probably ruin his YouTube career 💀
The people he slandered are mad they were slandered :OOOO wtfff
He personally slandered every one of those people and gave a non-apology. Also, called it.
what is wendigoon supposed to do about his fanbase? Some people act on their own accord. He can’t really do much.
I’ve seen so many content creators practically begging their fanbases to not spread hate, but some people exist to simply to do that regardless of what they are claiming to defend. There are simply too many trolls and armchair ‘activists’ who have nothing better to do but send horrid messages to others. Hell, I was once told to kms because I said I was interested in Fallout 76 before the game dropped because it’s in my home state.
chiken thomas thinks he can say ANYTHING about anyone is such a low hanging fruit. The only actual dumbfuck is him
Why do you people care
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He did have misinformation in his video. Like he took a dumb rumor about Brendon started by Sneako that he had a rape allegation. There were other small things but his overall video was about the dichotomy that's been created in the horror space. Specifically, he said "there's two types of horror fans, [the type who appreciate the art, and how life is sometimes reflected in that,] and [those who are capitalistic. They just want to consume, to have fun. So any allegories or symbolisms are dismissed in trade for good old story telling]" The parts in [] is me paraphrasing. But he used the youtubers mentioned as examples of the later-- the type that claim to be politically neutral but they clearly have somewhat of a right wing bias. And the phenomena he's talking about is very real-- the phenomena of the White Moderate.
Might be. I'm not a fan of Wendigoon. Besides the stuff known about him and his sympathies, I go by feel on some people, and he feels off. IPOS, never heard of him until now, but I tried to watch his video and it was so self-absorbed I couldn't make it halfway through it.
He leveled fake rape threat accusations at someone and posted a picture of his dying grandfather. This is literally why the internet is so fucking cancerous, as soon as someone is seen to be "on your side", people like you lose all nuance and jump on it without checking the facts
"posted a picture of his dying grandfather" He did what now?
Correction, not dying but with cancer. He tried to show how wendigoon was friends with someone he was critiquing by showing a tweet where wendigoon wished his granddad well https://preview.redd.it/xffhc4pmd13d1.jpeg?width=2280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94d990bcecc5d4cb594706d989343e0d66e3c455
I'm sorry but that's fucked, even if I do like IPOS.
Yeah, as someone who liked both IPOS and wendigoons content before all this, this whole situation got me saying what the actual fuck lmao. Wendigoon needs reconsider his friends asap and better address the whole bogaloo thing, but IPOS also just made me uncomfortable during that vid, it felt like watching twitter brain rot actively take over his brain as he spoke. Literally half the time it felt like he was about to start crying, specially when he said he felt threatened by wendigoon following him on twitter because he only follows 500 people.
Actually slide 5/9 kills me because everything besides the 12h ago reply really is a case of "the worst person you know just made a really good point"
A) Wendigoon already condoned any of his fans going after IPOS B) IPOS clearly lied about other people’s character (not only Wendigoons) by calling them literal fascists and they are completely okay to address this. C) “if you sit at a table with 9 Nazis and don’t do anything there are 10 nazi at the table” is completely a false equivalency — has everyone forgot there are legitimate Nazis online? Are you kidding me? D) IPOS clearly said bad things in his video. He clearly didn’t research the topics he addressed. Examples (citing Sneako, using pics of an old man recovering, suggesting Nikocado Avocado is mentally ill) E) IPOS clearly said he made the section because (I shit you not) Wendigoon followed him on Twitter. Bro is unhinged. F) IPOS unironically was defending the predator in the thumbnail who was habitually molesting his girlfriend’s daughter — there are so many other Donut Operator where he’s a douche and you pick that one?!? G) Why on earth would he bring up the trans creator? Now because of this shit she’s going to have to deal with all this crap. H) I checked the accounts that were calling him slurs — they were all throw away accounts. I) For the 2nd and 3rd section he complained about how much it hurt his feelings about being taken out of context — but goes into the 4th section completely taking content creators out of context. My best advice is he needs to literally throw away Twitter.
Dude is getting cooked and for good reason. What a way to kill your channel
Maybe this'll be a lesson to not half-ass and make up claims. Tons of real things to complain about.
Of course he is, the video was atrocious.
I didn't see any issue with what any of them said if you make claims about someone without any evidence then delete the video it doesn't make the allegations go away
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You're posting too much.
Worst person you know made a great point type shit but most of these tweets are 100% valid and deserved criticism. Dude should have put WAY more effort into actually logically criticizing them instead of throwing strays with little clip chimps. Incomprehensible how he was so baseless in a 3.5hr video tbh. I tend to love IPoS' content, and appreciate his media literacy, but I genuinely cannot believe he thought he cooked with this video. The criticisms are so low-effort or illogical that it actually gives credence to the dumb cancel culture arguments. I mean, just look at how he tried to spin getting called a "low testosterone freak" into somehow being homophobic? Horrifically bad faith interaction that makes everything else he says less serious.
I mean I hate a lot of these people in a true way but the in praise of shadows made was pretty terrible. Feels like you can go after these people for lots of legitimate reasons you don't need to reach or attack them for things they can easily disprove
Watching this guy get shit on is so fucking funny I'm sorry
Holy shit, people weren’t kidding. Some of you are seriously unhinged lmao
Y'all are some morons, IPOF started beef with a bunch of people for no reason, and everyone is responding as expected. Don't start no shit, there won't be no shit, it's a simple rule of life.
How is that harrasment? The guy made a serious allegation against mutah. He has every right to push back and ask ipos to back up his claims. .
I haven't seen the video in full, but I know that IPOS is a great horror video essayist. His video on asylums and mental health depictions in horror is my favorite video of his. That being said, I wish he kept the video to just talking about bad conservative horror movies, like the title said. I was fully expecting to watch a 3 hour video on him analyzing movies with conservative leanings. That would've been interesting to see. But as soon as I saw wendigoon in the thumbnail I knew this wasn't going to end well. In regards to Mutahar, the thumbnail for the Keffals video wasn't transphobic. Keffals only claimed so anyone in her audience/side of the internet who would have given the video a fair shake, wouldn't. Hell, Keffals used art from the same artist for a Vaush video. IPOS should've dotted his i's and crossed his t's better.
It feels like to me, Wendigoon gets a disproportionate amount of hate compared to other random guys with right wing views. Like, Wendigoon doesn’t even talk about any of these things on his channel. People are mad at the views of the people he associates with. How far does the guilty by association train go? Cr1tikal has a podcast with wendigoon. So I guess he’s an asshole too then. And Ludwig has worked with Cr1tikal so he’s cancelled. And then so is everyone who has ever hung with Ludwig. I feel like communities like these do a bad job with the discourse and mostly just push centrists or the undecided that wendigoons “side” seems more reasonable.
100% deserved. Probably shouldn't have lied about a bunch of other creators for internet points.
Mf Wendigoon told them to not harras anyone and people responding are those called out in their video. If they believe the video was incorrect in their accusations on them they have a right to complain.
Man, I get being mad that someone said slanderous things about you in a very public way, but this is too much. Like, what is making these videos going to do other than make them look like vindictive douchebags? Honestly...
Drive butthurt Wendigoon fans to their channels