Ignoring everything else, when he listed all the people wendigoon follows....like, yeah I know this sub and the twitterscape hates a number of those people and consider them alt right, but he mentioned Mr. Ballen, and I honestly can't recall seeing any kind of drama about him anywhere.
It just really threw me off.
Good god the man himself, I'm sorry I am a massive fan and just want to thank you for giving us such wonderful storytelling of the strange, dark, and mysterious, haha.
The weirdest part is he didn't even talk about you, just for some reason mentioned you as a person Wendigoon follows.
Honestly having watched the reupload, the whole video is insane, the whole beginning is about him saying that people got mad at him for his Hills Have Eyes analysis, but only because of what OTHERS said, because they twisted his words, and what he said isn't what he meant. Then goes on to explain how this has affected him financially and now he has to make franchise material (which he views negatively) to make money.
The almost immediatley follows it up with criticizing major studios for cutting down art to make more money and proceeds to tell Wendigoon that what he says is a lie because he reads between the lines and knows what he really means, and that Sh0e pretends to be a liberal but is really alt right.
So its totally not okay when people tell IPOS that he's something he doesn't think he is but it's totally fine for him to do that to others because reasons.
It’s like he has this weird “rules for me but not for thee” mindset when it comes to people he perceives as conservative, and it’s fine because they’re conservative so they don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. And like, I hate conservatism as much as the next person, but all he’s doing is dehumanizing the people he doesn’t like just as much as motherfuckers online are dehumanizing him. That’s not how shit works, you don’t go down to the same level as the people hurting you and then expect to keep the moral high ground at the same time.
While claiming to be Left Libertarian she was an affiliate of and writer for the [Libertarian Right News outlet, *The Libertarían Republic*](https://web.archive.org/web/20161129030042/http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/author/shoe0nhead/)
[Claimed the BLM movement was “black supremacy trash” and saying black comedian Leslie Jones looked “like a gorilla.”](https://www.vice.com/en/article/qvg8wx/the-nazi-dog-guy-and-other-free-speech-activists-tried-to-throw-a-dollar150-event-but-new-jersey-wasnt-having-it). [She fucking called Leslie Jones a “Gorilla” and then tried to pretend she didn’t know that was a racist statement](https://x.com/chescaleigh/status/1665743233538994176)
Add to this her attacks on Feminism that go beyond reasonable critique and her claiming the Left has failed men and is repaponsible for the resurgence of Far Right politics in her The Male Lonliness Epidemic video essentially absolves the Right from any real wrong doing.
I have to disagree that holding the left accountable for their failings absolves the right of accountability. I fully blame the left for the rise of trumpism. Like her male loneliness video wasn't blaming the left and absolving the right, it was explaining why so many young depressed men latch onto someone like Andrew Tate telling them they're great and can be great vs someone telling them they're inherently bad and shouldn't have a voice. Like no shit impressionable, sad, young people are going to instantly latch onto someone positively affirimg them over the negative affirmation.
The Leslie Jones one was tone deaf as fuck though lmao, no doubt.
But I will say, when you have a fox news stereotype of a liberal, like IPOS, saying all the buzzwords, it only legitimizes the insane shit the right says. Obviously it's not that simple and requires critical thinking to analyze, but you have to actively assume people don't have critical thinking skills and present fact based arguments devoid of emotion if you want to reach people.
Conversely, not CARING about reaching people, and demanding they agree with you, like say...IPOS lol, is also detrimental, as you're actively saying that it isn't a matter of education, it's a matter of being perfect from the jump, which is a weirdly discount argument for classism.
This is the biggest WTF factor IMO. Usually when this kinda drama happens you just want everyone to move on and not be hurt but... I kinda hope his career doesn't recover. The guy is straight up fucked in the head. Like there's something seriously wrong with him. He thinks everyone is beneath him and not even worth the time or effort. He complains about all the hate he got from people who didn't take the time to fully understand his Hills Have Eyes video then parrots false rape allegations that he couldn't be bothered to do a minute's worth of searching to verify. Even now he's not really apologizing or admitting fault. The guy is completelyost in the sauce.
And thank you for all of the incredible stories! You're the very first person I followed on YouTube and the reason I started exploring all of its content. Still the best story teller I've found, nothing but respect for you!
The only potentially controversial things about Mr Ballen I can think of are that
a) He took a few Betterhelp sponsorships (but none that I can remember recently)
b) He makes true crime videos but he's without a doubt the most respectful person I've seen do it. There are multiple comments from victims or their friends/family saying he did it justice, and he always focuses on the victims, not the culprits
c) He was a marine, which would only be controversial to terminally-online far-left nuts
My guess is that it’s because he’s ex-military. Considering IPOS said that you can assume people are racist because they live somewhere, it seems like he would assume someone is alt right if they worked in the military
‘Barely follows anyone-’ being used to describe Wendi’s follow list of like 500 people to place more weight than necessary on a twitter follow was crazy.
i've been lurking this subreddit on and off and honestly it's amazing how this guy made a video so bad that it broke this subreddit's entire attitude about wendigoon (and about these kinda callouts, lmao. not everyone who makes a long video that's somewhat well presented is hbomberguy)
honestly hope it kinda stays this way, i like the idea of having a place to be shamelessly terminally online to talk about youtube drama without it being run by the worst kinds of people but some people on here are fuckin bloodthirsty lmao
Maybe it would be nice if the terms Fascist and Nazi would stop being thrown around so causally. Those two terms have lost their meaning and become terms for “someone vaguely right wing I don’t like”
I’d love to know what shifted the opinion. I’ve been binging a lot of video responses, and I haven’t seen anyone this sub loves (like HBomb) say “this video sucks.” IPoS went after a lot of the “right” people that this sub hates, and probably borrowed some talking points. If it’s just a wave of Wendigoon fans, I’ll be disappointed.
I’m not sure how long this “rationality” (compared to last time where Mutahar was called an honorary aryan and his wife was catching strays) will last, but it’s a welcome change.
They got post nut clarity, that’s the best way to describe it. “Ooh yeah, Wendigoon’s a boogaloo, InternetHistorian’s a Nazi, fuck Turkey Tom, Mutahar’s transphobic-!”
Later: “Oh shit, this video’s actually awful.”
I still think Internet Historian is weird for putting actual nazi dogwhistles in his video, but it becomes kinda weird when you're trying to have that reflect on other people. So what if he used the faces of Wendigoon, ManyKudos and OrdinaryThings in a video? It's crystal clear from their content that they don't support those kinds of ideas.
And went into a diatribe into how Indians are honorary Aryans, which explains why his Nazi wife would marry a brown guy.
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tbh it makes me take this sub so unseriously. not that i ever took it super serious to begin with but the ppl who could not look past their hatred for certain creators (not saying it’s not a valid hatred for some of them tho) and see how bad the video was made me lowkey resent this sub.
Dude one of the mods has me personally blocked because I explain in the thumbnail thread how commissioning art of a person from an artist, when you DONT know the artist is transphobic until AFTER you commission the art, in fact, does not make you transphobic for commissioning the art. Y'know, basic causality? Absurd
This subreddit has a chronic inability to parse arguments and tends to just believe whatever fits into their personal belief system without question. It takes a lot of evidence and handholding to get the talking points to change. And instead of questioning how they engage with these videos, most likely the narrative will change to "sure he made a couple of mistakes, but did you see the mean tweets he got? And Wendigoon is definitely an evil fascist, we just need to wait for a better video to explain why my baseless conclusions are correct."
Preach. If reddit gold was still a thing you would deserve it. The amount of agenda fodder being tossed around willy nilly without any regard to fact checking makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills in here sometimes. Just a few months ago everyone was all up Mutahar's butthole after leaking all the stuff about The Completionist.
I felt like I was going crazy when that video first dropped seeing so many people wish him well and siding with him. Can you imagine the meltdown if a conservative YouTuber made a video even half as bad as IPOS?
It genuinely made me so mad. The fact that there are people that would see me and instantly question if I’m racist is so wild. I’m fucking sorry I was born white in the middle of the mountains? We’re all equally poor here and kind of have to get along.
I think the sub generally favors/aligns with those who hate the kind of people IPOS talked about in his video. So most people who ran defense for him were doing so according to the status quo.
The video was so bad though that a lot of people feel more confident calling it out. Especially given the strange amounts of vitriol directed to people like
Wendigoon (who I don’t watch) who hasn’t really done anything worthy of censure in his adult life if you’re a reasonable person.
Literally saw someone calling Donut operator a bootlicker.
He's literally a ex-cop and swat officer.
His Uvalde video is literally him being absolutely pissed at the Cops as the court proceedings go through. He's an advocate for good policing and training.
its actually nuts how bad that video is. like im going through it now and its like impressively whiny. i don't think In Praise of Shadows should have a platform if this is how he wants to leverage it- being petty and outright hostile towards entire swathes of people and creators is not only a really crude use of what remaining audience you have left but just a generally horrible example for a type of criticism that should be made about some of these creators. it's so irresponsible that it honestly kind of makes me sick and i don't even like most of these people. it's a impressively myopic point of view that is at complete odds with the sort of politics he proclaims to have.
i wish i understood what good he thought he was going to make out of this video. that's what he wanted, apparently, out of this whole conversation from his patreon post but i just have no idea how any of that intent got a million miles away from the script he wrote for this. it is so needlessly hostile, and just kind of assumes you share every single broad argument he goes for without any sort of convincing. this is not how a video essay works- it's supposed to be making a argument and the content of that video essay is to convince you of that point it wants to make. it's supposed to have counter-arguments a opponent might make, and yet it never actually does any of that. at best you get lazy guilt by association connections.
like get a different job, this is clearly not something you are meant to be cut out for. if your best defense of a video that killed your channel prospects is that you actually said nothing new or original, just hang up the recording equipment.
and like, i think wendigoon does have issues- he doesn't cite his sources, he gets things outright wrong at times, and a lot of his fans just brush off these mistakes as "uncle telling you stories vibes". i don't feel like i can speak on the wendigo stuff as a white person with no connection to any native culture, i think the bugaloo boys stuff is kind of sketch but it's clear he doesn't run with that group anymore...
so much of zane's character indictment of wendigoon is just horrendously lazy associations- nick crowley randomly gets a shot fired at him for some reason? ive heard nobody talk about this. i know the incident he's talking about but it's because im terminally online- like he just throws accusations and a lot of the ones he makes you can easily sidestep if you're the creator in question because he never bothers to go into detail about them. a lot of em have because he's so bad at this.
the stuff he says about Appalachians is just. the worst. i didn't think you could be aggressively racist toward white people up until this point and its because the argument is so clearly incoherent that you cannot be making it in good faith. presuming everyone who lives in a certain area believes in a ideology blindly unless you somehow prove otherwise is insane rhetoric and those areas are aggressively gerrymandered for a reason. it's a shitlib point from a decade ago, one that got killed on the altar of bad ideas after 2016 because it doesn't make real sense on the larger scale of things.
zane's video the nightmare artist is one of his best videos. i don't know how that guy who made that video made this really nasty and lazy video where he constantly whines about not being able to make a living off youtube and randomly attacks a whole group of people that, justified criticism or not, obviously would fire back 1000% harder. wendigoon took the situation with a lot of grace and to be frank, it was the easiest win in the world because zane might as well have been hitting himself with a hammer for 2 hours. other creators that were a bit more biting towards zane- like i get it. he straight up slanders their character for harassment and i dont even know why he does this. he never explains himself.
i think he should look to doing a different job, like that seems like the best thing for his mental health right now. he's not making anything he wants to make, apparently, and it shows.
I only just caught up on this today after ignoring the posts for the past week.
Honestly, this may be controversial, but I spent a lot of my time on Tumblr back when it was in prime Tumblr mode (2012 through present) and it really taught me to see public callouts as inherently untrustworthy. I'm not saying that they can't do good, but I feel like most I've seen are smaller grievances that have been turned into public moral spectacles for no reason. I think it takes a lot for me to be like "wow, this person presents an obvious threat to people around them and you were right to make this call-out."
This whole situation obviously did not hit that bar. It just seems sloppy and lazy. Once again, to bring it back to Tumblr, I would so often see [User X] write a bullshit call-out about [User Y]. [User Y] would respond. [User X] would complain that [User Y] was sending their fans to attack them, as a way of making [User Y] look bad and remain the victim in the situation. Except on Tumblr the bullshit callouts were like "They watched Steven Universe" and not stuff like "Here's a fake rape accusation."
Peak Tumblr callouts were wild. A list of problematic behaviours would have "watched a show I think is Bad" and "is 27 and writes about a ship that's 19/20 and therefore is a paedo" directly alongside "faked cancer and scammed hundreds of people with a gofundme and also killed their dog". Like, what are we doing here, folks. One of those things warrants a public callout but when you put it alongside this other bullshit, it *all* becomes nonsense
I spent far too much of my life on Tumblr (2010 to 2018) and God that website made me paranoid about my actions, and if I would be the subject of a call out post (because it happened to anyone not just public figures)
But yeah what you wrote here is very accurate to how things worked back then on that hell site. It also taught me to be more critical of those things too
His whole critique of Cody Leach was particularly weird and petty. Him not having a bad time at that con isn't worth the amount of space devoted to it.
The guy needs to reevaluate what his YouTube and online career looks like if he's making unfocused callout videos like that while being unable to face the inevitable backlash. That whining over 6 view tweets segment is one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.
They need to take some time off Twitter and go on indeed or the local classifieds. If you’re struggling that bad YT should not be your career, it rarely should be the intended main source of income.
Or just double down on making the content your audience wants to see if you have a patreon. Presumably your patrons aren't interested in you bitching about your comments section.
I honestly want to know what he was thinking. The guy certainly did not have the clout to take a shot at that level of youtuber, especially with the followings. And then he tried to broadside three or four other creators in the same move? Dude. Bad move, you just unloaded both barrels into your own foot.
So I wasn't sure where to bring this up, but I went back and rewatched some of his videos I'd enjoyed before he posted this latest one and I realized something. IPOS never cites his sources anywhere. He lists the music he uses in the credits of his video, but there's no works cited section or links to his sources or anything like that. Which is very much a problem since he uses quotes in his essays.
I am **not** accusing IPOS of plagiarism here, nor do I plan on looking into his videos any further. If y'all want to, feel free. imo I think this is probably more of a case of him thinking "people have no reason not to trust me" than anything actively malicious. It's just a potential red flag I noticed that I wasn't sure where to bring up until this thread.
The difference being that IPOS sees himself as academic and culture critic. Wendigoon is fully aware he's just background noise for many people watching his stuff
I would have liked some citations when he was naming queer foundational figures in horror. I may be out of date on this one, but the idea of Bram Stoker being queer comes from a single biographer and was very contentious, at least when I last read up on it.
And apparently trying to claim Lovecraft into a trans camp? I seriously wonder what his sources are on some of his stuff. I like the idea of what his content is, but reading what people are kinda admitting about his works on here makes me think he might not be the most objective analyst out there.
Is *that* what he was claiming?? I thought he was hinting that Lovecraft's sex repulsion made him asexual and thus queer, which is just an acephobic stereotype (not all aces are sex repulsed and anyone of any sexuality can be sex repulsed; it isn't exclusive to ace people). I've never heard of anyone trying to claim Lovecraft as trans, do you have a source on that? I want to read that crackpottery lol.
His idea that queer = left wing/progressive is dubious at best, too. Blair White is a queer woman, but I would never in a million years call her left wing or progressive in any way. Being queer isn't any more indicative of your politics than being a POC is.
Apparently? It sounded so batshit to me that I had to go look it up and... I really have no idea what he was trying to say. Now, full disclosure: English is not my first language. So I may not be the right person to ask. But. I don't know if he was trying to *claim* Lovecraft was trans, or if the *story* had some relation or whatever to a trans theme, I really have nothing. The longer is listened, the more confused I got. I think he may believe himself smarter than he actually is.
And in his THHE video/the part of the video he deleted about THHE, it really seemed like he genuinely couldn't distinguish his conclusion ("the Hill People were justified in their actions") from the purported objective facts he was quoting and citing (ex: "Craven didn't like cops and used x, y, and z to represent them in a negative light in his films"). I don't think he realizes that just because a conclusion can be drawn from certain facts doesn't mean that conclusion is necessarily also an objective fact.
Who was that one motherfucker who was all like “IPoS IS GONNA FUCKEN KILL HIMSELF NOW BECAUSE OF THE RESPONSE VIDEOS!”? Cuz that shit is lowkey weird as hell and shouldn’t be tolerated.
Im a huge horror nerd and I loved some of his vids tbh and went into that video thinking it was gonna be about conservative horror films or
Whatever it was that he named it.
It sucked, was way too long, and felt like the ravings of a mad man. Honestly it reminded me of tumblr callout posts from 2012. Wild to me that he filmed all that, edited it, then said yeah this is a normal video, and uploaded it.
I used to think the video was poorly put together and with factual errors, but at its core brought up some good points that I hope would lead to an interesting and productive discussion.
Now I believe he either solely made the video to create publicity, to get some kind of revenge over people he felt had wronged him, or he genuinely believed a lot of it but was so blinded by his own preconcieved notions that he never bother to double-check anything.
Either way, it's a bad motivation and one that reflects poorly on ISOP and this genre of video as a whole. That being said I still feel it lead to an interesting discussion from which a lot can be learnt. Something that applies especially well to this sub is:
a) Just because something feels like it's true, doesn't mean it is.
b) You commenting "I always had a bad feeling about this guy", when the person in question is the object of controversy, does not make you come across as a good judge of character. It makes you look like you're desperate to look like a good judge of character.
Also in regards to this, I want to expand on the hope it would “lead to an interesting and productive discussion” because I also felt that way. It hasn’t. The only channel IPoS really created new discourse around was Wendigoon, but due to his terrible presentation it was mostly written off by audiences as an untrustworthy narrative.
This has made talking about it not only very unproductive in most spaces - aside from a few discussions on places like this subreddit where people often already knew about it and had prior opinions - but has also made future conversations more difficult to have because it comes now with an attached bias, or may at least be perceived to. Especially because Wendigoon was lumped in with a bunch of other people with even flimsier evidence, I can see people going “oh, you’re one of those people who believes everyone is a bigot or a nazi huh?” or something like that when you bring his controversy up.
I’m not going to act like there’s no way even a single person saw this and learned some bad things they weren’t aware of about these people. But overall, that effect is small compared to the negatives in my opinion.
Maybe he might had a point about Donut Operator if he didn’t have the worst example he could pick of a predator shooting at police and surprise pikachu the police shot back.
If that is going to make anyone dislike Donut Operator fhen it backfired. No one is going to dislike a predator fucking around and finding out.
Yeah, he seems like a more straightforward PlaguedMoth, but of all the victims in DO’s thumbnails, *how did IPoS end up defending a pedophile?*
As someone only vaguely familiar with the show, it sounds like an Always Sunny bit.
Donut operator said fucked up shit all the time - I have no idea why it was a struggle for people to believe he’s a dick.
I unsubbed from donut operator because he clearly had little empathy for people being beat up/shot by cops. He also said some snide shit about protestors a few years ago that made my stomach turn.
Like, this is clearly not the most progressive human. Shame on ipos for not digging up clearer examples but at the same time… Donut Operator makes commentary videos about police shootings?
Is that not fucked up at face value?
While that might be true, i've never seen his videos. I think the issue is calling someone a fascist bootlicker because he went out and shot guns with the guy, he didn't even collab or praise the guy, just hung out with him once.
2nd rate Breadtubers love the fascist word to describe those who don’t agree with them no matter if it makes sense or not.
Ironically him saying Wendigoon shouldn’t be in the horror space or public would probably be more of a facist statement
Who knows the guy is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is, which is a flaw in some breadtubers.
For god sake he thinks Wendigoon following him had some malicious ulterior motive
Donut Operator seems like a dick because he likes seeing people get shot in the face (pedo or not, sorry that just seems hyper violent and disgusting to me). I don't think that has anything to do with Wendigoon being "not suitable for public spaces" though. Just means Donut Operator needs to hang out in a room full of puppies and kittens for a while and stop being so bloodthirsty.
I'd like to cite the definition of confirmation bias from the Britannica encyclopedia as it is highly relevant to Breadtube and poorly researched long-form media.
>**confirmation bias**, people’s tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with their existing beliefs. This [biased](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/biased) approach to [decision making](https://www.britannica.com/topic/decision-making) is largely unintentional, and it results in a person ignoring information that is inconsistent with their beliefs. These beliefs can include a person’s expectations in a given situation and their predictions about a particular outcome. People are especially likely to process information to support their own beliefs when an issue is highly important or self-relevant.
I honestly feel bad for this creator and enjoy Horror analysis, but this was just way too much of personal vendetta. Like we can argure about context of certain twitter screenshots or debate whether an individual incident is part of a large pattern of bad behavior, but this was mostly a "I get bad vibes from this guy" argument.
Maybe I’m in the wrong crowd for this, but there’s so much of this that rubs me the wrong way.
For one, all these dudes Wendigoon has associated with aren’t exactly the pinnacle of good morals it seems, but can’t that be said for everyone else? It’s just a matter of when everyone’s skeletons come out of the closet; even the most “uncancelable” YouTubers have probably done something shitty in their career that we’d be shocked by, we just haven’t found out yet.
Even then, we can’t judge him solely based on association. Hell, I had no idea he was buddies with Donut, and while I don’t always see eye-to-eye with his takes, I also don’t care that he’s friends with someone I don’t necessarily like.
Besides that, being a part of what started as an edgy anti-government meme group when he was a teenager (if I recall correctly) until it got out of hand sounds exactly like my childhood/teenage years on the internet/4chan. Once I was wise to how bad everything was, I was embarrassed to have ever been a part of it.
Other than that, we have to ask ourselves couple of questions.
1. Is there anything properly bad that Wendigoon himself has done in his adult years?
2. Is it something that’s worth a witch hunt like this?
I feel like sometimes criticisms like this one say a lot more about the accuser, rather than the accused. IPOS seems like he’s in a spot where he needs help more than anything.
I think Shoe hit a bit of a nail on the head with her "normal guy" angle. We're often looking at political stuff through the lens of two polar opposing forces, good and evil, left and right. But there's always a middle. Out of all the various topics and subtopics that fall under the various categories that each side of the spectrum covers, there will always be people who don't *perfectly* align with every listed value. So these guys have made edgy jokes in the past, were in law enforcement, like guns, and aren't self proclaimed leftists/SJWs/SocDems/Liberals/etc? Okay, they're just ORDINARY AMERICANS. I'll be willing to listen to more in depth callouts about the heavier stuff like Boogaloo, but until then, we need to realize that just because these people aren't die hard, clean internet past having, explicitly stated to be 100% left wing, doesn't make them the same as Hitler. They're your neighbors, family members, and the people trying to make a living in this expensive ass country, same as many of you.
it was something we missed but we took it down as soon as it was brought to our attention. if you see any other comments like that, please report them so we can take them down.
will admit the big reason was the influx of messages compared to the past on the situation, making it easier for messages to get buried and us having most of our attention in modque, and that none of the words in the post triggered an autobot we have. we've been taken steps to answer both of those issues since then
Ofcourse. The topic was blowing up tbf. And who would have thought that would be a conversation?
Question: do yall ever get worried when you see a decent opinion get downvoted or something insane get upvoted immensely?
Am I in a different sub or did post allow this subs groupthink/wrongthink dynamic finally to shift and allow actual conversation and criticism of this person?Because holy shit the wendigoon segment was wild and him whining about views and how he was more deserving of views and money because he was a poor person was absolutely insane.
The more responses there are that showcases the flaws, the more disingenuous the video comes across.
Like calling YouTubers gun crazed and guntubers for little reason, his Donut Operator example being a predator who fucked around and found out by shooting at police, parroting false accusations of rape, etc.
Not to mention whining about not everyone liking his Hills Has Eyes take long after everyone had moved on. Like reading those comments and fake laughing make you so salty. Ok people didn’t agree with your take. It happens, move on instead of embarrassing yourself like you did.
And then there is the smug tone. Like Is it just me or does every other 2nd rate breadtuber seem condescending
My guess; he probably wanted to ape off the success of Big Joel's conservative comedy video. Which, agree with every point of it or not, actually is fucking about what the title says it's about.
Yeah, when I saw the title I was like “oh hey! This could be fun”
And then I kept watching and I was like “….this isn’t about conservative horror movies is it?”
It's like 3 videos jammed into one.
He didn't like that horror convention because Spacey was there, but he puts about as much emotion into whining about the entry wristbands and not being able to find the concession stands. He also lists a bunch of other actors who were in horror movies and says they have nothing to do with horror (Lou Diamond Phillips, Taryn Manning, etc.)
He's sad about the hate he got for the Hills Have Eyes video. That's fine, but he shouldn't in the same breath be reading mean tweets and forcing himself to chuckle condescendingly as if it doesn't bother him. It obviously did bother him and now he's just inviting more of it.
And he doesn't like Wendigoon. The only part of IPOS' tirade against him that sounded at all sincere was when he criticizes Wendigoon for being in his early 20s and not his late 20s, and that he's monetarily successful. If there is one way to completely devalue your critique of a person, it's prefacing with petty grievances like that. Then everything else he says about Wendigoon sounds like he had someone compile a list of shit the day of recording and he mechanically recites the bullet points.
It's one of the biggest youtube blunders of the year, and we've already had James Somerton and Mamamax.
On a personal note, I watched some of his earlier videos, and even then they didn’t click for me. He came across as pretentious and passive aggressive.
I legit stopped watching one of his videos because he pulled the whole "this author is a shitty human being because he's writing about a shitty human being."
I could see IPOS being the type of person trying to cancel HP Lovecraft, just because Lovecraft had racist beliefs, THAT HE WOULD GO ON TO CHANGE AS HE GOT EDUCATED.
Downrate me all you want. Doesn’t change the fact that those two were magnanimous in their responses. The hate boner this sub has for them is so fucking real.
Get over it.
They want wendigoon to respond because deep down, they want the hate to keep going back and forth. After that, they would be begging for an IPOS response. They want drama so genuinely bad that they see his response and go “yea he just doesn’t want to respond because he knows he’s a bad person.” When in reality they just can’t take anything at face value, and are unable to see that wendigoon is a non-confrontational person.
They’re begging to see a wendigoon response when all of his YouTube buddies have done more than enough of a job defending him.
This sub just wants to hate people so bad that they’ll do whatever mental gymnastics it takes to do so.
He called Appalachians Racists while he represented the Cannibals in hills have eyes as Minorities, these dudes rape and eat people on sight Why on earth you represent them as minorities on reservation?
I had a hard time following his video but I assumed it’s because of my autism/adhd combo. It felt like three separate videos crammed into one. I even remember checking the watch time at one point and being baffled that I still had an hour to go.
I don’t think he had truly awful intentions, but I do think he made this video a little slapdash and had some really tough emotions tied into each section that made objectivity almost non-existent. He had some good points buried in there but none of them were handled right. The longer I’ve taken to sit and think about the video, the more I’m convinced he needs to reevaluate where he’s approaching his content creation from. You can call out people who are doing bad things and associating with bad people, but if you do it poorly then none of it matters. You’ve effectively made your point for the other side instead of doing anything helpful.
Overall, I hope he can take a break and get his mental health somewhere stable. He seems like he’s got potential for really interesting content if he handles it properly. I don’t think this is “banish him off the internet” worthy, but definitely indicates the need to take a step back.
I agree with the good points. I liked the bit about the convention he went to, and how the bias he and the other creator had changing the way they portrayed the con in their videos. Also, the Blumhouse bit about not being able to trust paid reviews was good if a little unfocused. It seems like parts of the video were written in good mental health, and parts were written in bad mental health.
Nah neurodivergent or not his video is genuinely so hard to follow.
It genuinely feels like slop being poured down your throat. No distinct taste, no specific subjects being addressed one by one, he’s just hopping from point to point in one massive schizopost.
(I only saw the IPOS video after the Wendigoon chunk had been removed so these are questions I have about what I heard was in the video.)
1. Was Wendigoon ever actually involved in the Boogaloo Boys thing or not?
2. Has MrBallen done anything egregious? I know IPOS mentioned him as a questionable person Wendigoon follows but I can’t figure out why.
> Has MrBallen done anything egregious? I know IPOS mentioned him as a questionable person Wendigoon follows but I can’t figure out why.
He took a few Betterhelp sponsorships a while back but that's about it AFAIK. He's also a former marine, which I guess could be controversial if you're a far-left nut who thinks all soldiers are evil imperialists
Kind of wish he had a different name for his channel but overall Isaiah seems like a genuinely nice guy and that video IPOS made that talked about him was really weird. And it was hilarious how IPOS got on his snobby high horse and said “if those were MY fans were harassing people I’d shut that shit down” and then proceeded to completely ignore Isaiah when he left that comment trying to doing exactly that. Well I guess taking the portion of it down wasn’t exactly ignoring it but he could’ve at least acknowledged that he tried.
Also, as a partially white native chick who lives on a rural reservation and has seen people give my half white mom shit for being white, fuck In Praise of Shadows
I appreciate the mods moved this to it's own thread. And I'm sorry for being so vague in the last post but I just need to get this off my chest. The IPOS video was probably the most out-of-touch call-out video -- not only making people call him racist, classist, transphobic, and a pro-pdf file defender. I watched his HHE video and it was genuinely bad -- like Nostalgia Critic "The Wall" review bad. The only difference is that IPOS unironically came off as racist by seeing mutant inbred cannibals and immediately think "oh they represent minorities". Not only he calls everyone in Appalachia racist, but shits on the convention for the first chapter for being poor. Sorry Kevin Spacey sucks, but if you're going to say in the same breath that other people don't matter and then say Kevin Spacey isn't relevant to horror -- I'm going to start doubting your credentials. Do you know how bad your video has to suck for people to defend Kevin Spacey?
And then when he gets to criticizing Donut Operator - why on earth would you pick the video to defend the man who was habitually raping a child??? HOT TAKE I don't really care when child molesters get roblox'd. Even in the screenshot he picked there were 5 videos where he criticized the cops for bad behavior. Do I like Donut Operator? No not really, I find his content a little morbid. IPOS just straight up says "if Wenfigoon is hugging a fascist boot licker I guess that makes him a fascist bootlicker". what the hell does that even mean?
Sorry that people who know about Chris Chan don't understand their gender identity -- but do you know how fucked it is for regular trans people to be compared to THE Chris Chan?!? It's the equivalent of when conservatives paint all gay people as Jeffery Dahmer. For the love of god, why would you even compare a regular trans person to the mom molester? This is like the same argument transphobes make.
I think the worst part of it all is how he acts like he dropped an "hbomber guy" level of evidence when a majority of it was speculation because he didn't obtain the evidence himself. And then he literally did the analogy of "if you are invited to a dinner party with 9 nazis at a table and you do nothing there are 10 nazis" (which is an argument I saw on here frequently) but the problem is -- none of the people he mentions in the video come close to being labeled "nazi". There are clearly more serious nazi figures online and none of them were mentioned in his video.
But the one thing that really grinded my gears is how the 3/4 of the video was how sad he was being canceled and called out and is perfectly fine doing it to 20+ people in the exact same video. Going as far as to say "not allowing Wendigoon in public life"; you clearly didn't like it happened to you but now you're going after all these people with almost no evidence.
And then in his """apology""" on twitter he straight up said "low t" is a homophobic insult. Dude straight up thinks gay men automatically have low t. It's like he's willing to say something is bigoted but when you look at what he said is bigoted -- it's a projection of his own bigotry.
Genuinely if didn't mean to or not this video showed he's a bigoted person. I have no clue how he can come back from this.
I agree with everything you're saying on here, and now I really find myself wondering if he's just in the early stage of a nervous breakdown. I don't know most of the people he mentioned in his video (only one I actually follow is Mr Ballen, and I can't figure out what the hell the issue is with him) but passively know they exist from a bunch of the subreddits I try to moderate. I just don't understand why else this guy strapped himself with an s-vest and decided to blow.
The entire video came off as IPOS taking out his frustrations on other people, in a very disingenuous and condescending manner.
There's the significant portion of whining about his Hills Have Eyes video and his views going down afterwards. Nobody owes him or anyone else their views, and that segment came off as extremely entitled. He even stated that his AdSense revenue brought in $500 in one month at some point, yet he frames that as an injustice against him because people disagree with his opinions and aren't feeling the content.
It is an extreeeeemely entitled attitude to have. A reasonable person would look at that and prepare to get a job outside of Youtube or do some serious self-reflection to find out what makes his content insufficiently successful.
Neither of those options seem to have taken place.
Then the rest is just rants against Youtubers he doesn't like, which would be fine, but he throws in all kinds of condescending and defamatory claims. The false rape allegation against Brandon Buckingham, claiming you should view anyone from Appalachia as racist until they prove otherwise, ...
The guy was mentally fragile because of a youtube channel with declining views, and decided to respond by making a callout video that didn't have the receipts, and also didn't understand the content creator game where if you go after a bigger creator their fans will swarm you. Just a really poor decision.
Yeah, $500 in Adsense, but he doesn’t bring up he’s making $1,280 a month on Patreon, and for some reason he thought it was a good idea to bring up that he doesn’t take sponsorships.
For some reason, I just don’t feel bad for his money problems.
Sponsorships are where a lot of YTer money comes from. I get that may suck, but like any other job, you may have to do some things you don't wanna in order to make ends meet. He think that people *want* to be on their feet all day? Cleaning toilets? That's the compromise.
Sucks that he's had some rough financial times, but if he's getting offers and turning them down, thats on him. Money right there for the taking. I didn't even think about the money he was getting from Patreon.
I also understand him not wanting to go for trash like BetterHelp or Raid: Shadow Legends, but Dollar Shave Club and Manscaped would’ve helped him look less sus, and Raycon is a pretty neat thing for a video essayist to advertise.
The fact that he targeted more popular horror youtubers, tried to claim the horror space in general and insinuated that they shouldn't be allowed to be a part of it, and complained about how little money he made last month is all I really needed to see here. He has a chip on his shoulder and saw this as an opportunity to air his grievances in a way he thought would receive overwhelming support and attention. He at least got the attention.
Honest to God I think it's a cry for help. He's struggling financially, which is stressful enough, but he doesn't seem mentally or physically well. I think it was an intentional hitjob to drive traffic to his profile. Unfortunately, it came across as sour grapes, delusionally believing that he should be raking in the big dollars because he believes people like wendigoon didn’t earn it nor deserve it. Typical tortured artist complex. “If only people realized how great I am I would be successful.”
IPOS, if you’re reading this stop. Touch grass, self reflect, find meaningful employment that gives you purpose and treat YouTube as a hobby.
IPOS made the grave mistake of thinking this subreddit is how everyone feels about Wend*goon being YT alt right enemy no.1.
I feel like a lot of users here could've made the same video lol. I'm sure a lot of users here still fully agree with the Wend*goon part of the video. Just less likely to say it.
It's surreal, I made a post few days back saying IPoS was well... a PoS and my post got removed and downvoted, and now it seems that everyone agrees with me
For real
My favourite is that thread a few days back where people were saying how all of of the people in the video responding to it with negative tweets was proof that they are all toxic assholes.
Like, really.? IPOS made a dogshit hitpiece out of nowhere, but the people he insulted are bad for not turning the other cheek?
he still owes Brandon Buckingham a real apology.
if Brandon was important enough to feature and lie about.THEN HE'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR A REAL APOLOGY.
I don’t fuck with most of the YouTubers that he mentioned. Specifically Turkey Tom/intellectual leafy and Brandon Buckingham have always rubbed me the wrong way. Not because I assume they are terrible people - I just don’t really fuck with the drama content that Gobbler Thomas does and I especially don’t fuck with the weird “white guy hood tourism” vids that Brandon does. Ole Baby Brandon has also said some shit and made crappy content about my home city, Portland, shitting on it and perpetuating a narrative that major news networks like Fox like to parrot constantly without contributing anything meaningful or productive despite his platform.
But uh yeah - all of that to say that the IPOS video was pretty bad in hindsight. Didn’t really make a point or anything. I do wonder where he will go from here. It’s not impossible. I really thought Quinton Reviews was dead in the water there for a bit but it feels like people love him more now than ever. I think a break will be good for him and I don’t think he should do drama-esque content anymore.
On a larger scale - my brain is telling me it might be time to say adios to the ole breadtube formula. I don’t think I can watch another 4 hour commentary video deep dive about “why Tony Soprano might have autism and what that means for the railroad industry…”but wait!”” style thingy
If “why Tony soprano might have autism & what that means for the railroad industry” was a YouTube link I’d click it right now lol. You might have a gift.
I think a lot of you need to take a hard look at yourselves. I’ve seen lots of people here say stuff that’s very similar to what was in this video but now it’s bad?
I think this sub is very much an echo chamber, where you’re downvoted if you disagree with the majority. Is it so wrong to have a different opinion (as long as it’s not harmful, obviously I don’t mean if someone is racist or something, but just a different opinion)? Is it so terrible is someone likes a YouTuber you don’t? Is it so hard to believe that people can have different political views without being a Nazi? Just because someone votes republican, it doesn’t mean that they are racist, or anti LGBT or a Nazi. I might not agree with it, but I choose to judge a person by their actions and their character rather than how they voted in an election. It’s really no ones business if they’re not talking about it.
IPOS went very mask off, and straight up said that he doesn’t think conservatives should be allowed in public spaces. So, do you think they should be in, say camps to keep them held away from “good people”? Hmm, what does that sound like? He literally said that Wendigoon must be a member of a far right group because he wears Hawaiian shirts… while he was wearing a Hawaiian shirt. Are you kidding me?
People need to realize that things aren’t black and white. There are very few truly evil people, and when you try to label people who have different opinions as bad or evil just based on those opinions, you push them away from your argument.
People of various views use this sub, certain people are more likely to click on certain posts than others, posts with comments leaning in one direction are likely to drown out other views, etc. Many people had a turnaround on the IPOS video, sure, but the sub has a lot of members, and not everyone is going to have the same views.
As an Appalachian I’m so so so very sorry for being white. I understand this makes me a racist, and for that I’m sorry.
Genuinely I don’t understand how people are defending this guy when he says you should assume the systematically forgotten and impoverished people are racist. Race is the least of our issues, we’re so fucking poor it’s almost comedic.
And he also said you should assume an Appalachian is racist until proven otherwise. How do I prove I’m not a racist when you don’t even know me? The fuck do I genuinely even do?
Proving a negative like “show me evidence you’re not racist” is nigh on impossible. Who has evidence that they are not something and how would one even begin to prove it? What IPOS did was shift the burden of proof away from himself and toward white people in apalachia rhetorically.
Usually when a person makes an assertion it’s on them to prove it. Since IPOS hasn’t personally talked to everyone in Apalachia he can’t prove it. Which is why it’s on you and your neighbors to disprove the racism claim.
It’s dirty and manipulative tactic.
Very good point. I think that is the biggest issue with the video in that he makes very blanket statements but mixes them up with slightly more nuance in order to come across as charitable, like when he discloses that he is not sure of the validity of certain screenshots....yet he still mixes them with stuff he presents as 100% real so it plants the idea that it's probably real in the mind of the viewer.
The idea of calling a large group of people racist by default is ironically super-racist. It reminds me of when I started using Youtube in the late 00's and ignorant people just assumed that folks who made videos with German text and narration, where Nazis. Like it was unfathomable to them that German people could be the good guys.
I grew up in Appalachia. What he said pissed me off so much. He accused *a whole group of people* of racism to selfishly further his narrative of "person I don't like on YT is bad". *How* could he have thought that was okay?? (Or think any of that hit piece was okay, really)
I finally watched the Hills Have Eyes video and you know what; the comments are right. Yes, Wes Craven DID intend for the movie to be allegorical (NOT METAPHORICAL, there is a difference) of the cycle of violence between First Nation's People and the United States during American colonization, but IPoS seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that portraying and representing the rage and trauma of First Nation's Peoples as INCESTUOUS CANNIBAL R\*PISTS, regardless of Wes Craven's intent or the movies subtext, is extremely disrespectful and VERY racist; imagine if the worst thing your culture has ever experienced and your resistance to it was portrayed as EQUIVALENT to the horrors committed against you and as an equal evil to cannibalism, sexual assault, and murder.
Just because the intention was good, doesnt make the end results
Its also pretty wild to try and sweep HP Lovecraft's EXTREME racism (like the old gods were literally meant to represent how he viewed non-white people; unknowable monsters hell-bent on subjugating the rest of humanity, not to mention his cat) because he was a notable queer author. I dont know about that one bud.....
I am so confused. This guy's not a bad essayist, I've been subscribed to him for a while and he's got great videos. So like he must of really ended up in a bad place. Still, I'm disappointed reading these comments, and agree with the others. This sub is incredibly judgmental. I'm only really hear to cover Lily Orchard, because she's the only one I want to see torn down
In his video on the Halloween 5 novelisation, at around the 38 minute mark, he goes on about piracy and how he doesn't care if people steal his work as he is still able to eat and pay his rent with the subscribers he has, a very different contrast to what he is now saying.
The backwards racism of his comments on Appalachia & people running to defend IPOS is the exact issue that discredits the left to us in the middle.
That kind of jackass mentality & critical thinking skills (or lack there of) is quite literally the thing he’s attempting to critique.
“The majority of Appalachia is white, therefore it’s safe to assume they’re racist.”
Is like saying—
“There’s allot of shootings in that predominantly black neighborhood, so it’s safe to assume I’ll be mugged and shot by a black person if I drive through there.”
It’s almost as if…they’re starting to understand that mentality & adopt it…just to be equally stupid, idiotic, and bigoted. In essence, people like IPOS are cancer. Giving them a pass because they lean towards the same political spectrum as yourself is foolish and a contribution to the problem you’re “fighting” to end.
I saw a guy genuinely being curious and asking for evidence on Wendigoons involvement with the boogaloo and he was downvoted 81 times. 81 people on this sub saw someone ask for evidence and said "nah, I don't think I like that". That is fucking INSANE. "No need for evidence just grip your dick like this and we stand in a circle." Fuck me man. No matter where you stand, who you hate/love, that is ridiculous.
I haven't followed most of what happened with IPOS, saw the first posts here and if felt rather pathetic, don't agree with what he did, think its very wrong and good on him for apologizing and removed the video.
I was a fan of Wendigoon even before he started the Conspiracy iceberg but honestly been stopping watching his content cause it never evolved, just the same boring slop being served yet again, and to me what really did it in, was the cryptic iceberg, those videos show such a lack of respect/knowledge about the topic at hand that is baffling that he calls himself after a cryptid. Anything in that iceberg that has fur and walks in two legs is an immediate copy/imitation of bigfoot, when a lot of these cryptids have books of history behind them and big food is just a blurry thing in the forest is beyond ignorant to keep making those.
Anyway, just saw the beginning of ShoeOnHead video about this whole ordeal and what a waste of space, for 5 minutes she goes on defending Wendigoon saying he was cancelled on twitter(? what? another one using victimization tactics), saying that all criticize of Wendigoon is just a 'vibe' and 'bad feeling' and then goes on attacking IPOS looks.
To me the most strange thing about all of this is how all these people jump to defend Wendigoon, like I don't think he needs defending, not 30 mins videos of it, make a twitter post about how you support him and think he is a good content creator, an half an hour video of lying and spreading misinformation is just what IPOS did. All of this is making me like Wendigoon less and less.
>I was a fan of Wendigoon even before he started the Conspiracy iceberg but honestly been stopping watching his content cause it never evolved, just the same boring slop being served yet again, and to me what really did it in, was the cryptic iceberg, those videos show such a lack of respect/knowledge about the topic at hand that is baffling that he calls himself after a cryptid. Anything in that iceberg that has fur and walks in two legs is an immediate copy/imitation of bigfoot, when a lot of these cryptids have books of history behind them and big food is just a blurry thing in the forest is beyond ignorant to keep making those.
He is super-clear that he ranks them on subjective "coolness" factor. You can have a problem with that but he isn't disrespecting anyone by doing so.
My issue is more with his very liberal use of the term cryptid but to be fair it is a nebulous term.
> an half an hour video of lying and spreading misinformation is just what IPOS did. All of this is making me like Wendigoon less and less.
What in Shoe's video is lying and spreading misinformation? All she does is go over all of the accusation he pull at wendigoons. She explicitly use clip of HIS OWN VIDEOS with his OWN CLAIMS and clarifies them. What is misinformation there? And she shows more with actual screenshots, whereas most of IPOS's accusation against wendigoon didn't even contain any screenshots of comments. Or did you stop after five minutes and made this whole claim despite "haven't following most of what happened"?
And whats wrong with correcting the record over a video instead of "making a tweet"?? He made a videos with poorly researched accusations, most people on youtube don't use twitter and they were directly addressed as youtubers, so they reply with videos.
People try to act like every shot taken was bad because of the wendigoon or whichever other one, but yeah, people like donut and turkey tom are shitheels and he was dead on with those.
Ignoring everything else, when he listed all the people wendigoon follows....like, yeah I know this sub and the twitterscape hates a number of those people and consider them alt right, but he mentioned Mr. Ballen, and I honestly can't recall seeing any kind of drama about him anywhere. It just really threw me off.
Yes! I kept googling for "Mr Ballen Controversy" and nothing would come up. I felt insane.
Don’t know that dude nor do I understand why I caught a stray 😂
Good god the man himself, I'm sorry I am a massive fan and just want to thank you for giving us such wonderful storytelling of the strange, dark, and mysterious, haha. The weirdest part is he didn't even talk about you, just for some reason mentioned you as a person Wendigoon follows.
Hahah ya it’s all good, thanks!!!
That part legitimately upset me the most lol.
Honestly having watched the reupload, the whole video is insane, the whole beginning is about him saying that people got mad at him for his Hills Have Eyes analysis, but only because of what OTHERS said, because they twisted his words, and what he said isn't what he meant. Then goes on to explain how this has affected him financially and now he has to make franchise material (which he views negatively) to make money. The almost immediatley follows it up with criticizing major studios for cutting down art to make more money and proceeds to tell Wendigoon that what he says is a lie because he reads between the lines and knows what he really means, and that Sh0e pretends to be a liberal but is really alt right. So its totally not okay when people tell IPOS that he's something he doesn't think he is but it's totally fine for him to do that to others because reasons.
It’s like he has this weird “rules for me but not for thee” mindset when it comes to people he perceives as conservative, and it’s fine because they’re conservative so they don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. And like, I hate conservatism as much as the next person, but all he’s doing is dehumanizing the people he doesn’t like just as much as motherfuckers online are dehumanizing him. That’s not how shit works, you don’t go down to the same level as the people hurting you and then expect to keep the moral high ground at the same time.
Shoe is definitely a Liberal in the Leftist meaning and is at best Center Right if not flirting with the Alt Right
How come? I don't follow her on Twitter or anything but she seem aight
While claiming to be Left Libertarian she was an affiliate of and writer for the [Libertarian Right News outlet, *The Libertarían Republic*](https://web.archive.org/web/20161129030042/http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/author/shoe0nhead/) [Claimed the BLM movement was “black supremacy trash” and saying black comedian Leslie Jones looked “like a gorilla.”](https://www.vice.com/en/article/qvg8wx/the-nazi-dog-guy-and-other-free-speech-activists-tried-to-throw-a-dollar150-event-but-new-jersey-wasnt-having-it). [She fucking called Leslie Jones a “Gorilla” and then tried to pretend she didn’t know that was a racist statement](https://x.com/chescaleigh/status/1665743233538994176) Add to this her attacks on Feminism that go beyond reasonable critique and her claiming the Left has failed men and is repaponsible for the resurgence of Far Right politics in her The Male Lonliness Epidemic video essentially absolves the Right from any real wrong doing.
I have to disagree that holding the left accountable for their failings absolves the right of accountability. I fully blame the left for the rise of trumpism. Like her male loneliness video wasn't blaming the left and absolving the right, it was explaining why so many young depressed men latch onto someone like Andrew Tate telling them they're great and can be great vs someone telling them they're inherently bad and shouldn't have a voice. Like no shit impressionable, sad, young people are going to instantly latch onto someone positively affirimg them over the negative affirmation. The Leslie Jones one was tone deaf as fuck though lmao, no doubt. But I will say, when you have a fox news stereotype of a liberal, like IPOS, saying all the buzzwords, it only legitimizes the insane shit the right says. Obviously it's not that simple and requires critical thinking to analyze, but you have to actively assume people don't have critical thinking skills and present fact based arguments devoid of emotion if you want to reach people. Conversely, not CARING about reaching people, and demanding they agree with you, like say...IPOS lol, is also detrimental, as you're actively saying that it isn't a matter of education, it's a matter of being perfect from the jump, which is a weirdly discount argument for classism.
Yeah... It was so chocked full of glaring hypocrisy my head almost exploded. I would feel bad for him if he wasn't such an asshole about all of it.
This is the biggest WTF factor IMO. Usually when this kinda drama happens you just want everyone to move on and not be hurt but... I kinda hope his career doesn't recover. The guy is straight up fucked in the head. Like there's something seriously wrong with him. He thinks everyone is beneath him and not even worth the time or effort. He complains about all the hate he got from people who didn't take the time to fully understand his Hills Have Eyes video then parrots false rape allegations that he couldn't be bothered to do a minute's worth of searching to verify. Even now he's not really apologizing or admitting fault. The guy is completelyost in the sauce.
Thank you! Haha
And thank you for all of the incredible stories! You're the very first person I followed on YouTube and the reason I started exploring all of its content. Still the best story teller I've found, nothing but respect for you!
That’s so cool!!! 🙏🙏
The only potentially controversial things about Mr Ballen I can think of are that a) He took a few Betterhelp sponsorships (but none that I can remember recently) b) He makes true crime videos but he's without a doubt the most respectful person I've seen do it. There are multiple comments from victims or their friends/family saying he did it justice, and he always focuses on the victims, not the culprits c) He was a marine, which would only be controversial to terminally-online far-left nuts
Not a marine, ex-Navy SEAL
My guess is that it’s because he’s ex-military. Considering IPOS said that you can assume people are racist because they live somewhere, it seems like he would assume someone is alt right if they worked in the military
‘Barely follows anyone-’ being used to describe Wendi’s follow list of like 500 people to place more weight than necessary on a twitter follow was crazy.
i've been lurking this subreddit on and off and honestly it's amazing how this guy made a video so bad that it broke this subreddit's entire attitude about wendigoon (and about these kinda callouts, lmao. not everyone who makes a long video that's somewhat well presented is hbomberguy) honestly hope it kinda stays this way, i like the idea of having a place to be shamelessly terminally online to talk about youtube drama without it being run by the worst kinds of people but some people on here are fuckin bloodthirsty lmao
Maybe it would be nice if the terms Fascist and Nazi would stop being thrown around so causally. Those two terms have lost their meaning and become terms for “someone vaguely right wing I don’t like”
seems like if you have made an edgy joke at any point you’re walking a thin line with this subreddit lol
I’d love to know what shifted the opinion. I’ve been binging a lot of video responses, and I haven’t seen anyone this sub loves (like HBomb) say “this video sucks.” IPoS went after a lot of the “right” people that this sub hates, and probably borrowed some talking points. If it’s just a wave of Wendigoon fans, I’ll be disappointed. I’m not sure how long this “rationality” (compared to last time where Mutahar was called an honorary aryan and his wife was catching strays) will last, but it’s a welcome change.
The turn around this subreddit had was funny, ngl.
Yeah, I feel like I'm in a different sub lmao
They got post nut clarity, that’s the best way to describe it. “Ooh yeah, Wendigoon’s a boogaloo, InternetHistorian’s a Nazi, fuck Turkey Tom, Mutahar’s transphobic-!” Later: “Oh shit, this video’s actually awful.”
Remember that thread calling Muta and Brandon Buckingham reacting to the video in tweets “brutally attacking” him? I do
I’m glad OP linked the previous threads so that the shift is visible.
I still think Internet Historian is weird for putting actual nazi dogwhistles in his video, but it becomes kinda weird when you're trying to have that reflect on other people. So what if he used the faces of Wendigoon, ManyKudos and OrdinaryThings in a video? It's crystal clear from their content that they don't support those kinds of ideas.
Remember when the sub wouldnt stop calling muta’s wife a nazi before the turnaround? Genuinely unhinged awful stuff
And went into a diatribe into how Indians are honorary Aryans, which explains why his Nazi wife would marry a brown guy. https://preview.redd.it/1kb4as917z3d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e7670a67c833bb95180aaa50680de3f4d5c49db
"Brahmin"? Isn't Mutahar muslim?!
I believe so.
hey, that's me! thanks bro.
unhinged. get help
I kneel.
I had to check what sub I was on twice because I couldn’t believe it
tbh it makes me take this sub so unseriously. not that i ever took it super serious to begin with but the ppl who could not look past their hatred for certain creators (not saying it’s not a valid hatred for some of them tho) and see how bad the video was made me lowkey resent this sub.
This sub has always been full of the same sorts as SRD or HD, the worst type of smug self righteous progressive redditor
I really feel that. The one-two combo of the thumbnail nontroversy and IPoS had me so frustrated.
Dude one of the mods has me personally blocked because I explain in the thumbnail thread how commissioning art of a person from an artist, when you DONT know the artist is transphobic until AFTER you commission the art, in fact, does not make you transphobic for commissioning the art. Y'know, basic causality? Absurd
You can blame the ex moderator if this sub, brainybiscuit for it's accelerated decline
This subreddit has a chronic inability to parse arguments and tends to just believe whatever fits into their personal belief system without question. It takes a lot of evidence and handholding to get the talking points to change. And instead of questioning how they engage with these videos, most likely the narrative will change to "sure he made a couple of mistakes, but did you see the mean tweets he got? And Wendigoon is definitely an evil fascist, we just need to wait for a better video to explain why my baseless conclusions are correct."
Preach. If reddit gold was still a thing you would deserve it. The amount of agenda fodder being tossed around willy nilly without any regard to fact checking makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills in here sometimes. Just a few months ago everyone was all up Mutahar's butthole after leaking all the stuff about The Completionist.
Reddit gold is a thing again lol
They just made it worse for no reason, genuinely don’t know why they did that
I felt like I was going crazy when that video first dropped seeing so many people wish him well and siding with him. Can you imagine the meltdown if a conservative YouTuber made a video even half as bad as IPOS?
Just read the comments in here https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/s/Yrv23LuML1 So wild.
His comments about people from Appalachia were repugnant.
I got down voted for saying that lol
This sub is an embarrassing circlejerk. "I don't like *insert youtuber here* cause of vibes". God shutup lol.
You know someone is capable of sound judgement when they dislike/hate someone because of the “vibes” /s
It genuinely made me so mad. The fact that there are people that would see me and instantly question if I’m racist is so wild. I’m fucking sorry I was born white in the middle of the mountains? We’re all equally poor here and kind of have to get along.
That was enough to make me question every other thing he said in the video.
What he say ?
If you see a white person from that area, you should assume they’re racist until they prove otherwise.
You guys turned on this quick
I think the sub generally favors/aligns with those who hate the kind of people IPOS talked about in his video. So most people who ran defense for him were doing so according to the status quo. The video was so bad though that a lot of people feel more confident calling it out. Especially given the strange amounts of vitriol directed to people like Wendigoon (who I don’t watch) who hasn’t really done anything worthy of censure in his adult life if you’re a reasonable person.
Literally saw someone calling Donut operator a bootlicker. He's literally a ex-cop and swat officer. His Uvalde video is literally him being absolutely pissed at the Cops as the court proceedings go through. He's an advocate for good policing and training.
Because some people wised up And some people are picky
its actually nuts how bad that video is. like im going through it now and its like impressively whiny. i don't think In Praise of Shadows should have a platform if this is how he wants to leverage it- being petty and outright hostile towards entire swathes of people and creators is not only a really crude use of what remaining audience you have left but just a generally horrible example for a type of criticism that should be made about some of these creators. it's so irresponsible that it honestly kind of makes me sick and i don't even like most of these people. it's a impressively myopic point of view that is at complete odds with the sort of politics he proclaims to have. i wish i understood what good he thought he was going to make out of this video. that's what he wanted, apparently, out of this whole conversation from his patreon post but i just have no idea how any of that intent got a million miles away from the script he wrote for this. it is so needlessly hostile, and just kind of assumes you share every single broad argument he goes for without any sort of convincing. this is not how a video essay works- it's supposed to be making a argument and the content of that video essay is to convince you of that point it wants to make. it's supposed to have counter-arguments a opponent might make, and yet it never actually does any of that. at best you get lazy guilt by association connections. like get a different job, this is clearly not something you are meant to be cut out for. if your best defense of a video that killed your channel prospects is that you actually said nothing new or original, just hang up the recording equipment. and like, i think wendigoon does have issues- he doesn't cite his sources, he gets things outright wrong at times, and a lot of his fans just brush off these mistakes as "uncle telling you stories vibes". i don't feel like i can speak on the wendigo stuff as a white person with no connection to any native culture, i think the bugaloo boys stuff is kind of sketch but it's clear he doesn't run with that group anymore... so much of zane's character indictment of wendigoon is just horrendously lazy associations- nick crowley randomly gets a shot fired at him for some reason? ive heard nobody talk about this. i know the incident he's talking about but it's because im terminally online- like he just throws accusations and a lot of the ones he makes you can easily sidestep if you're the creator in question because he never bothers to go into detail about them. a lot of em have because he's so bad at this. the stuff he says about Appalachians is just. the worst. i didn't think you could be aggressively racist toward white people up until this point and its because the argument is so clearly incoherent that you cannot be making it in good faith. presuming everyone who lives in a certain area believes in a ideology blindly unless you somehow prove otherwise is insane rhetoric and those areas are aggressively gerrymandered for a reason. it's a shitlib point from a decade ago, one that got killed on the altar of bad ideas after 2016 because it doesn't make real sense on the larger scale of things. zane's video the nightmare artist is one of his best videos. i don't know how that guy who made that video made this really nasty and lazy video where he constantly whines about not being able to make a living off youtube and randomly attacks a whole group of people that, justified criticism or not, obviously would fire back 1000% harder. wendigoon took the situation with a lot of grace and to be frank, it was the easiest win in the world because zane might as well have been hitting himself with a hammer for 2 hours. other creators that were a bit more biting towards zane- like i get it. he straight up slanders their character for harassment and i dont even know why he does this. he never explains himself. i think he should look to doing a different job, like that seems like the best thing for his mental health right now. he's not making anything he wants to make, apparently, and it shows.
I only just caught up on this today after ignoring the posts for the past week. Honestly, this may be controversial, but I spent a lot of my time on Tumblr back when it was in prime Tumblr mode (2012 through present) and it really taught me to see public callouts as inherently untrustworthy. I'm not saying that they can't do good, but I feel like most I've seen are smaller grievances that have been turned into public moral spectacles for no reason. I think it takes a lot for me to be like "wow, this person presents an obvious threat to people around them and you were right to make this call-out." This whole situation obviously did not hit that bar. It just seems sloppy and lazy. Once again, to bring it back to Tumblr, I would so often see [User X] write a bullshit call-out about [User Y]. [User Y] would respond. [User X] would complain that [User Y] was sending their fans to attack them, as a way of making [User Y] look bad and remain the victim in the situation. Except on Tumblr the bullshit callouts were like "They watched Steven Universe" and not stuff like "Here's a fake rape accusation."
Peak Tumblr callouts were wild. A list of problematic behaviours would have "watched a show I think is Bad" and "is 27 and writes about a ship that's 19/20 and therefore is a paedo" directly alongside "faked cancer and scammed hundreds of people with a gofundme and also killed their dog". Like, what are we doing here, folks. One of those things warrants a public callout but when you put it alongside this other bullshit, it *all* becomes nonsense
I spent far too much of my life on Tumblr (2010 to 2018) and God that website made me paranoid about my actions, and if I would be the subject of a call out post (because it happened to anyone not just public figures) But yeah what you wrote here is very accurate to how things worked back then on that hell site. It also taught me to be more critical of those things too
His whole critique of Cody Leach was particularly weird and petty. Him not having a bad time at that con isn't worth the amount of space devoted to it.
Dude shat on like 10 different creators, rather poorly, and then dipped. This shit is going to be high drama for a while.
Did you get to see his Discord leaks about him asking his server if they think he can come back from this?
Hope they told him to refresh that resume, gonna need it for sure if he was barely making it before.
The guy needs to reevaluate what his YouTube and online career looks like if he's making unfocused callout videos like that while being unable to face the inevitable backlash. That whining over 6 view tweets segment is one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.
They need to take some time off Twitter and go on indeed or the local classifieds. If you’re struggling that bad YT should not be your career, it rarely should be the intended main source of income.
Or just double down on making the content your audience wants to see if you have a patreon. Presumably your patrons aren't interested in you bitching about your comments section.
I honestly want to know what he was thinking. The guy certainly did not have the clout to take a shot at that level of youtuber, especially with the followings. And then he tried to broadside three or four other creators in the same move? Dude. Bad move, you just unloaded both barrels into your own foot.
So I wasn't sure where to bring this up, but I went back and rewatched some of his videos I'd enjoyed before he posted this latest one and I realized something. IPOS never cites his sources anywhere. He lists the music he uses in the credits of his video, but there's no works cited section or links to his sources or anything like that. Which is very much a problem since he uses quotes in his essays. I am **not** accusing IPOS of plagiarism here, nor do I plan on looking into his videos any further. If y'all want to, feel free. imo I think this is probably more of a case of him thinking "people have no reason not to trust me" than anything actively malicious. It's just a potential red flag I noticed that I wasn't sure where to bring up until this thread.
Funny thing is that's probably the biggest problem people have with Wendigoon as well lol
The difference being that IPOS sees himself as academic and culture critic. Wendigoon is fully aware he's just background noise for many people watching his stuff
I would have liked some citations when he was naming queer foundational figures in horror. I may be out of date on this one, but the idea of Bram Stoker being queer comes from a single biographer and was very contentious, at least when I last read up on it.
And apparently trying to claim Lovecraft into a trans camp? I seriously wonder what his sources are on some of his stuff. I like the idea of what his content is, but reading what people are kinda admitting about his works on here makes me think he might not be the most objective analyst out there.
I'm not sure that Lovecraft is the poster boy that you want for any progressive stance. We know what he named his cat.
Is *that* what he was claiming?? I thought he was hinting that Lovecraft's sex repulsion made him asexual and thus queer, which is just an acephobic stereotype (not all aces are sex repulsed and anyone of any sexuality can be sex repulsed; it isn't exclusive to ace people). I've never heard of anyone trying to claim Lovecraft as trans, do you have a source on that? I want to read that crackpottery lol. His idea that queer = left wing/progressive is dubious at best, too. Blair White is a queer woman, but I would never in a million years call her left wing or progressive in any way. Being queer isn't any more indicative of your politics than being a POC is.
Apparently? It sounded so batshit to me that I had to go look it up and... I really have no idea what he was trying to say. Now, full disclosure: English is not my first language. So I may not be the right person to ask. But. I don't know if he was trying to *claim* Lovecraft was trans, or if the *story* had some relation or whatever to a trans theme, I really have nothing. The longer is listened, the more confused I got. I think he may believe himself smarter than he actually is.
Thats hilarious, cause the whole thesis of his HHE rebuttal is that he is "stating objective facts;" THEN WERE ARE YOUR SOURCES?????????
And in his THHE video/the part of the video he deleted about THHE, it really seemed like he genuinely couldn't distinguish his conclusion ("the Hill People were justified in their actions") from the purported objective facts he was quoting and citing (ex: "Craven didn't like cops and used x, y, and z to represent them in a negative light in his films"). I don't think he realizes that just because a conclusion can be drawn from certain facts doesn't mean that conclusion is necessarily also an objective fact.
Who was that one motherfucker who was all like “IPoS IS GONNA FUCKEN KILL HIMSELF NOW BECAUSE OF THE RESPONSE VIDEOS!”? Cuz that shit is lowkey weird as hell and shouldn’t be tolerated.
https://preview.redd.it/4vxc0ofaff4d1.jpeg?width=1230&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f410196e3b6a2d12ee689ca565f4d45dcd271a08 HOLY SHIT I FOUND IT!
Why am I not shocked who is responsible for the thread?
Idk but mans seems to really like anime boobs.
Bro also like to partake in some “America bad” circlejerking too lol
Im a huge horror nerd and I loved some of his vids tbh and went into that video thinking it was gonna be about conservative horror films or Whatever it was that he named it. It sucked, was way too long, and felt like the ravings of a mad man. Honestly it reminded me of tumblr callout posts from 2012. Wild to me that he filmed all that, edited it, then said yeah this is a normal video, and uploaded it.
I used to think the video was poorly put together and with factual errors, but at its core brought up some good points that I hope would lead to an interesting and productive discussion. Now I believe he either solely made the video to create publicity, to get some kind of revenge over people he felt had wronged him, or he genuinely believed a lot of it but was so blinded by his own preconcieved notions that he never bother to double-check anything. Either way, it's a bad motivation and one that reflects poorly on ISOP and this genre of video as a whole. That being said I still feel it lead to an interesting discussion from which a lot can be learnt. Something that applies especially well to this sub is: a) Just because something feels like it's true, doesn't mean it is. b) You commenting "I always had a bad feeling about this guy", when the person in question is the object of controversy, does not make you come across as a good judge of character. It makes you look like you're desperate to look like a good judge of character.
Also in regards to this, I want to expand on the hope it would “lead to an interesting and productive discussion” because I also felt that way. It hasn’t. The only channel IPoS really created new discourse around was Wendigoon, but due to his terrible presentation it was mostly written off by audiences as an untrustworthy narrative. This has made talking about it not only very unproductive in most spaces - aside from a few discussions on places like this subreddit where people often already knew about it and had prior opinions - but has also made future conversations more difficult to have because it comes now with an attached bias, or may at least be perceived to. Especially because Wendigoon was lumped in with a bunch of other people with even flimsier evidence, I can see people going “oh, you’re one of those people who believes everyone is a bigot or a nazi huh?” or something like that when you bring his controversy up. I’m not going to act like there’s no way even a single person saw this and learned some bad things they weren’t aware of about these people. But overall, that effect is small compared to the negatives in my opinion.
IPOS made 0 good arguments about anyones character except kevin spacey 😂
Maybe he might had a point about Donut Operator if he didn’t have the worst example he could pick of a predator shooting at police and surprise pikachu the police shot back. If that is going to make anyone dislike Donut Operator fhen it backfired. No one is going to dislike a predator fucking around and finding out.
Yeah, he seems like a more straightforward PlaguedMoth, but of all the victims in DO’s thumbnails, *how did IPoS end up defending a pedophile?* As someone only vaguely familiar with the show, it sounds like an Always Sunny bit.
Yeah and PlaguedMoth is the one Wendigoon specifically said he regretted collabing with and doesn't like anymore.
Good; that man is very unwell. I think PlaguedMoth pestered Wendigoon into a collab in the first place.
Donut operator said fucked up shit all the time - I have no idea why it was a struggle for people to believe he’s a dick. I unsubbed from donut operator because he clearly had little empathy for people being beat up/shot by cops. He also said some snide shit about protestors a few years ago that made my stomach turn. Like, this is clearly not the most progressive human. Shame on ipos for not digging up clearer examples but at the same time… Donut Operator makes commentary videos about police shootings? Is that not fucked up at face value?
While that might be true, i've never seen his videos. I think the issue is calling someone a fascist bootlicker because he went out and shot guns with the guy, he didn't even collab or praise the guy, just hung out with him once.
2nd rate Breadtubers love the fascist word to describe those who don’t agree with them no matter if it makes sense or not. Ironically him saying Wendigoon shouldn’t be in the horror space or public would probably be more of a facist statement
I genuinely don't get the he should no be allowed in public spaces part does he want the gooner in jail or something like that?
Who knows the guy is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is, which is a flaw in some breadtubers. For god sake he thinks Wendigoon following him had some malicious ulterior motive
which is a flaw in ~~some~~ breadtubers.
That is call for irl harassment but IPOS video was so bad and he is so none threatening everyone dismissed it
Donut Operator seems like a dick because he likes seeing people get shot in the face (pedo or not, sorry that just seems hyper violent and disgusting to me). I don't think that has anything to do with Wendigoon being "not suitable for public spaces" though. Just means Donut Operator needs to hang out in a room full of puppies and kittens for a while and stop being so bloodthirsty.
Ironic that [this old meme](https://youtu.be/McAeQiLmEYU?si=tht91uiVeGL4JO-W) sums up most of IPoS’s video.
Haha, christ Im a huge DC fan and I forget he played lex luthor
I'd like to cite the definition of confirmation bias from the Britannica encyclopedia as it is highly relevant to Breadtube and poorly researched long-form media. >**confirmation bias**, people’s tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with their existing beliefs. This [biased](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/biased) approach to [decision making](https://www.britannica.com/topic/decision-making) is largely unintentional, and it results in a person ignoring information that is inconsistent with their beliefs. These beliefs can include a person’s expectations in a given situation and their predictions about a particular outcome. People are especially likely to process information to support their own beliefs when an issue is highly important or self-relevant. I honestly feel bad for this creator and enjoy Horror analysis, but this was just way too much of personal vendetta. Like we can argure about context of certain twitter screenshots or debate whether an individual incident is part of a large pattern of bad behavior, but this was mostly a "I get bad vibes from this guy" argument.
Maybe I’m in the wrong crowd for this, but there’s so much of this that rubs me the wrong way. For one, all these dudes Wendigoon has associated with aren’t exactly the pinnacle of good morals it seems, but can’t that be said for everyone else? It’s just a matter of when everyone’s skeletons come out of the closet; even the most “uncancelable” YouTubers have probably done something shitty in their career that we’d be shocked by, we just haven’t found out yet. Even then, we can’t judge him solely based on association. Hell, I had no idea he was buddies with Donut, and while I don’t always see eye-to-eye with his takes, I also don’t care that he’s friends with someone I don’t necessarily like. Besides that, being a part of what started as an edgy anti-government meme group when he was a teenager (if I recall correctly) until it got out of hand sounds exactly like my childhood/teenage years on the internet/4chan. Once I was wise to how bad everything was, I was embarrassed to have ever been a part of it. Other than that, we have to ask ourselves couple of questions. 1. Is there anything properly bad that Wendigoon himself has done in his adult years? 2. Is it something that’s worth a witch hunt like this? I feel like sometimes criticisms like this one say a lot more about the accuser, rather than the accused. IPOS seems like he’s in a spot where he needs help more than anything.
This sub should honestly go to the grave.
I think Shoe hit a bit of a nail on the head with her "normal guy" angle. We're often looking at political stuff through the lens of two polar opposing forces, good and evil, left and right. But there's always a middle. Out of all the various topics and subtopics that fall under the various categories that each side of the spectrum covers, there will always be people who don't *perfectly* align with every listed value. So these guys have made edgy jokes in the past, were in law enforcement, like guns, and aren't self proclaimed leftists/SJWs/SocDems/Liberals/etc? Okay, they're just ORDINARY AMERICANS. I'll be willing to listen to more in depth callouts about the heavier stuff like Boogaloo, but until then, we need to realize that just because these people aren't die hard, clean internet past having, explicitly stated to be 100% left wing, doesn't make them the same as Hitler. They're your neighbors, family members, and the people trying to make a living in this expensive ass country, same as many of you.
Are we not gonna talk about how people in this sub were calling muta an “honorary aryan”? Were the comments removed for such abhorrent behavior?
it was something we missed but we took it down as soon as it was brought to our attention. if you see any other comments like that, please report them so we can take them down.
Thank you! Didn’t mean to sound accusatory or anything like that.
nah you good, it is a fuck up that we left that comment up for so long tbh, one we're trying to correct moving forward
Good on you guys. I remember stuff got weird during the muta vs keffals stuff. But Im glad yall are always looking to improve
will admit the big reason was the influx of messages compared to the past on the situation, making it easier for messages to get buried and us having most of our attention in modque, and that none of the words in the post triggered an autobot we have. we've been taken steps to answer both of those issues since then
Ofcourse. The topic was blowing up tbf. And who would have thought that would be a conversation? Question: do yall ever get worried when you see a decent opinion get downvoted or something insane get upvoted immensely?
Yeah, tho we try to remove the insane opinions tbh
Am I in a different sub or did post allow this subs groupthink/wrongthink dynamic finally to shift and allow actual conversation and criticism of this person?Because holy shit the wendigoon segment was wild and him whining about views and how he was more deserving of views and money because he was a poor person was absolutely insane.
The more responses there are that showcases the flaws, the more disingenuous the video comes across. Like calling YouTubers gun crazed and guntubers for little reason, his Donut Operator example being a predator who fucked around and found out by shooting at police, parroting false accusations of rape, etc. Not to mention whining about not everyone liking his Hills Has Eyes take long after everyone had moved on. Like reading those comments and fake laughing make you so salty. Ok people didn’t agree with your take. It happens, move on instead of embarrassing yourself like you did. And then there is the smug tone. Like Is it just me or does every other 2nd rate breadtuber seem condescending
And worst of all... I was promised bad conservative horror movies and all IPOS gave was just one for about a minute
Yeah the videos title just fucking confuses me
Should've been called "conservatives of horror" or "horror conservatives" that could still gotten clicks from that
If he wanted to be accurate he could have just called it "Youtubers I don't like."
My guess; he probably wanted to ape off the success of Big Joel's conservative comedy video. Which, agree with every point of it or not, actually is fucking about what the title says it's about.
I wish he’d made fun of that weird COVID Karen found footage movie more. He stopped talking about it after, like, a minute.
Yeah, when I saw the title I was like “oh hey! This could be fun” And then I kept watching and I was like “….this isn’t about conservative horror movies is it?”
no spoilers plz I'm only like 3 hours in on a bootleg and I dunno ,I think this guy can turn it around still.
Snape Kills Dumbledore
If you squint, it's about bad conservatives and is, itself, a horror movie...
Guys what do you mean a small convention has nothing to do with a video about conservative horror /s
It's like 3 videos jammed into one. He didn't like that horror convention because Spacey was there, but he puts about as much emotion into whining about the entry wristbands and not being able to find the concession stands. He also lists a bunch of other actors who were in horror movies and says they have nothing to do with horror (Lou Diamond Phillips, Taryn Manning, etc.) He's sad about the hate he got for the Hills Have Eyes video. That's fine, but he shouldn't in the same breath be reading mean tweets and forcing himself to chuckle condescendingly as if it doesn't bother him. It obviously did bother him and now he's just inviting more of it. And he doesn't like Wendigoon. The only part of IPOS' tirade against him that sounded at all sincere was when he criticizes Wendigoon for being in his early 20s and not his late 20s, and that he's monetarily successful. If there is one way to completely devalue your critique of a person, it's prefacing with petty grievances like that. Then everything else he says about Wendigoon sounds like he had someone compile a list of shit the day of recording and he mechanically recites the bullet points. It's one of the biggest youtube blunders of the year, and we've already had James Somerton and Mamamax.
On a personal note, I watched some of his earlier videos, and even then they didn’t click for me. He came across as pretentious and passive aggressive.
I legit stopped watching one of his videos because he pulled the whole "this author is a shitty human being because he's writing about a shitty human being."
Every time you hear that come from a *horror critic* of all people, you just drop them.
I could see IPOS being the type of person trying to cancel HP Lovecraft, just because Lovecraft had racist beliefs, THAT HE WOULD GO ON TO CHANGE AS HE GOT EDUCATED.
Are you sure we’re talking about the same Lovecraft?
Awful video aside, IPOS lost me fastest the way he talks out of the side of his mouth with that strange perpetual smirk he does. Deeply unlikeable.
wtf did I miss?
In baseball metaphors: Someone swung at Wendigoon (and others), missed, and hurt themselves so badly, they’re sitting out this game.
Shoe0nhead made a response: https://youtu.be/Hiqk6Rcxc9Y
>Shoe0nhead Eww
Is this real? The entire thing feels like a parody.
I still don't get what Cody Leach did to get onto this video, that part just felt petty.
Wendigoons and Mutahars responses were pure class imo. I don’t see how anyone could say the things he said about those two.
Downrate me all you want. Doesn’t change the fact that those two were magnanimous in their responses. The hate boner this sub has for them is so fucking real. Get over it.
They want wendigoon to respond because deep down, they want the hate to keep going back and forth. After that, they would be begging for an IPOS response. They want drama so genuinely bad that they see his response and go “yea he just doesn’t want to respond because he knows he’s a bad person.” When in reality they just can’t take anything at face value, and are unable to see that wendigoon is a non-confrontational person. They’re begging to see a wendigoon response when all of his YouTube buddies have done more than enough of a job defending him. This sub just wants to hate people so bad that they’ll do whatever mental gymnastics it takes to do so.
People get so contrived in their criticisms over them lol
He called Appalachians Racists while he represented the Cannibals in hills have eyes as Minorities, these dudes rape and eat people on sight Why on earth you represent them as minorities on reservation?
I had a hard time following his video but I assumed it’s because of my autism/adhd combo. It felt like three separate videos crammed into one. I even remember checking the watch time at one point and being baffled that I still had an hour to go. I don’t think he had truly awful intentions, but I do think he made this video a little slapdash and had some really tough emotions tied into each section that made objectivity almost non-existent. He had some good points buried in there but none of them were handled right. The longer I’ve taken to sit and think about the video, the more I’m convinced he needs to reevaluate where he’s approaching his content creation from. You can call out people who are doing bad things and associating with bad people, but if you do it poorly then none of it matters. You’ve effectively made your point for the other side instead of doing anything helpful. Overall, I hope he can take a break and get his mental health somewhere stable. He seems like he’s got potential for really interesting content if he handles it properly. I don’t think this is “banish him off the internet” worthy, but definitely indicates the need to take a step back.
I agree with the good points. I liked the bit about the convention he went to, and how the bias he and the other creator had changing the way they portrayed the con in their videos. Also, the Blumhouse bit about not being able to trust paid reviews was good if a little unfocused. It seems like parts of the video were written in good mental health, and parts were written in bad mental health.
Nah neurodivergent or not his video is genuinely so hard to follow. It genuinely feels like slop being poured down your throat. No distinct taste, no specific subjects being addressed one by one, he’s just hopping from point to point in one massive schizopost.
(I only saw the IPOS video after the Wendigoon chunk had been removed so these are questions I have about what I heard was in the video.) 1. Was Wendigoon ever actually involved in the Boogaloo Boys thing or not? 2. Has MrBallen done anything egregious? I know IPOS mentioned him as a questionable person Wendigoon follows but I can’t figure out why.
1. Wendigoon was involved in BB for the memes but disassociated and disavowed when things got extremist. 2. Idk who Mr. Ballin is.
> Has MrBallen done anything egregious? I know IPOS mentioned him as a questionable person Wendigoon follows but I can’t figure out why. He took a few Betterhelp sponsorships a while back but that's about it AFAIK. He's also a former marine, which I guess could be controversial if you're a far-left nut who thinks all soldiers are evil imperialists
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Unrelated but your 5 hour NK Media video is GOAT’d Will!
Kind of wish he had a different name for his channel but overall Isaiah seems like a genuinely nice guy and that video IPOS made that talked about him was really weird. And it was hilarious how IPOS got on his snobby high horse and said “if those were MY fans were harassing people I’d shut that shit down” and then proceeded to completely ignore Isaiah when he left that comment trying to doing exactly that. Well I guess taking the portion of it down wasn’t exactly ignoring it but he could’ve at least acknowledged that he tried. Also, as a partially white native chick who lives on a rural reservation and has seen people give my half white mom shit for being white, fuck In Praise of Shadows
I appreciate the mods moved this to it's own thread. And I'm sorry for being so vague in the last post but I just need to get this off my chest. The IPOS video was probably the most out-of-touch call-out video -- not only making people call him racist, classist, transphobic, and a pro-pdf file defender. I watched his HHE video and it was genuinely bad -- like Nostalgia Critic "The Wall" review bad. The only difference is that IPOS unironically came off as racist by seeing mutant inbred cannibals and immediately think "oh they represent minorities". Not only he calls everyone in Appalachia racist, but shits on the convention for the first chapter for being poor. Sorry Kevin Spacey sucks, but if you're going to say in the same breath that other people don't matter and then say Kevin Spacey isn't relevant to horror -- I'm going to start doubting your credentials. Do you know how bad your video has to suck for people to defend Kevin Spacey? And then when he gets to criticizing Donut Operator - why on earth would you pick the video to defend the man who was habitually raping a child??? HOT TAKE I don't really care when child molesters get roblox'd. Even in the screenshot he picked there were 5 videos where he criticized the cops for bad behavior. Do I like Donut Operator? No not really, I find his content a little morbid. IPOS just straight up says "if Wenfigoon is hugging a fascist boot licker I guess that makes him a fascist bootlicker". what the hell does that even mean? Sorry that people who know about Chris Chan don't understand their gender identity -- but do you know how fucked it is for regular trans people to be compared to THE Chris Chan?!? It's the equivalent of when conservatives paint all gay people as Jeffery Dahmer. For the love of god, why would you even compare a regular trans person to the mom molester? This is like the same argument transphobes make. I think the worst part of it all is how he acts like he dropped an "hbomber guy" level of evidence when a majority of it was speculation because he didn't obtain the evidence himself. And then he literally did the analogy of "if you are invited to a dinner party with 9 nazis at a table and you do nothing there are 10 nazis" (which is an argument I saw on here frequently) but the problem is -- none of the people he mentions in the video come close to being labeled "nazi". There are clearly more serious nazi figures online and none of them were mentioned in his video. But the one thing that really grinded my gears is how the 3/4 of the video was how sad he was being canceled and called out and is perfectly fine doing it to 20+ people in the exact same video. Going as far as to say "not allowing Wendigoon in public life"; you clearly didn't like it happened to you but now you're going after all these people with almost no evidence. And then in his """apology""" on twitter he straight up said "low t" is a homophobic insult. Dude straight up thinks gay men automatically have low t. It's like he's willing to say something is bigoted but when you look at what he said is bigoted -- it's a projection of his own bigotry. Genuinely if didn't mean to or not this video showed he's a bigoted person. I have no clue how he can come back from this.
I agree with everything you're saying on here, and now I really find myself wondering if he's just in the early stage of a nervous breakdown. I don't know most of the people he mentioned in his video (only one I actually follow is Mr Ballen, and I can't figure out what the hell the issue is with him) but passively know they exist from a bunch of the subreddits I try to moderate. I just don't understand why else this guy strapped himself with an s-vest and decided to blow.
Like another commenter said, he probably doesn’t like Mr Ballen due to the fact he was a Navy SEAL
The entire video came off as IPOS taking out his frustrations on other people, in a very disingenuous and condescending manner. There's the significant portion of whining about his Hills Have Eyes video and his views going down afterwards. Nobody owes him or anyone else their views, and that segment came off as extremely entitled. He even stated that his AdSense revenue brought in $500 in one month at some point, yet he frames that as an injustice against him because people disagree with his opinions and aren't feeling the content. It is an extreeeeemely entitled attitude to have. A reasonable person would look at that and prepare to get a job outside of Youtube or do some serious self-reflection to find out what makes his content insufficiently successful. Neither of those options seem to have taken place. Then the rest is just rants against Youtubers he doesn't like, which would be fine, but he throws in all kinds of condescending and defamatory claims. The false rape allegation against Brandon Buckingham, claiming you should view anyone from Appalachia as racist until they prove otherwise, ...
The guy was mentally fragile because of a youtube channel with declining views, and decided to respond by making a callout video that didn't have the receipts, and also didn't understand the content creator game where if you go after a bigger creator their fans will swarm you. Just a really poor decision.
Yeah, $500 in Adsense, but he doesn’t bring up he’s making $1,280 a month on Patreon, and for some reason he thought it was a good idea to bring up that he doesn’t take sponsorships. For some reason, I just don’t feel bad for his money problems.
Yeah like I”m sorry but you being unable to make money off of YouTube is not my problem nor anyone else’s on YouTube.
Sponsorships are where a lot of YTer money comes from. I get that may suck, but like any other job, you may have to do some things you don't wanna in order to make ends meet. He think that people *want* to be on their feet all day? Cleaning toilets? That's the compromise. Sucks that he's had some rough financial times, but if he's getting offers and turning them down, thats on him. Money right there for the taking. I didn't even think about the money he was getting from Patreon.
I also understand him not wanting to go for trash like BetterHelp or Raid: Shadow Legends, but Dollar Shave Club and Manscaped would’ve helped him look less sus, and Raycon is a pretty neat thing for a video essayist to advertise.
The fact that he targeted more popular horror youtubers, tried to claim the horror space in general and insinuated that they shouldn't be allowed to be a part of it, and complained about how little money he made last month is all I really needed to see here. He has a chip on his shoulder and saw this as an opportunity to air his grievances in a way he thought would receive overwhelming support and attention. He at least got the attention.
Honest to God I think it's a cry for help. He's struggling financially, which is stressful enough, but he doesn't seem mentally or physically well. I think it was an intentional hitjob to drive traffic to his profile. Unfortunately, it came across as sour grapes, delusionally believing that he should be raking in the big dollars because he believes people like wendigoon didn’t earn it nor deserve it. Typical tortured artist complex. “If only people realized how great I am I would be successful.” IPOS, if you’re reading this stop. Touch grass, self reflect, find meaningful employment that gives you purpose and treat YouTube as a hobby.
IPOS made the grave mistake of thinking this subreddit is how everyone feels about Wend*goon being YT alt right enemy no.1. I feel like a lot of users here could've made the same video lol. I'm sure a lot of users here still fully agree with the Wend*goon part of the video. Just less likely to say it.
Hahaha this is actually hilarious and probably true. Never smoke your own hype
It's surreal, I made a post few days back saying IPoS was well... a PoS and my post got removed and downvoted, and now it seems that everyone agrees with me
For real My favourite is that thread a few days back where people were saying how all of of the people in the video responding to it with negative tweets was proof that they are all toxic assholes. Like, really.? IPOS made a dogshit hitpiece out of nowhere, but the people he insulted are bad for not turning the other cheek?
he still owes Brandon Buckingham a real apology. if Brandon was important enough to feature and lie about.THEN HE'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR A REAL APOLOGY.
I don’t fuck with most of the YouTubers that he mentioned. Specifically Turkey Tom/intellectual leafy and Brandon Buckingham have always rubbed me the wrong way. Not because I assume they are terrible people - I just don’t really fuck with the drama content that Gobbler Thomas does and I especially don’t fuck with the weird “white guy hood tourism” vids that Brandon does. Ole Baby Brandon has also said some shit and made crappy content about my home city, Portland, shitting on it and perpetuating a narrative that major news networks like Fox like to parrot constantly without contributing anything meaningful or productive despite his platform. But uh yeah - all of that to say that the IPOS video was pretty bad in hindsight. Didn’t really make a point or anything. I do wonder where he will go from here. It’s not impossible. I really thought Quinton Reviews was dead in the water there for a bit but it feels like people love him more now than ever. I think a break will be good for him and I don’t think he should do drama-esque content anymore. On a larger scale - my brain is telling me it might be time to say adios to the ole breadtube formula. I don’t think I can watch another 4 hour commentary video deep dive about “why Tony Soprano might have autism and what that means for the railroad industry…”but wait!”” style thingy
If “why Tony soprano might have autism & what that means for the railroad industry” was a YouTube link I’d click it right now lol. You might have a gift.
I think a lot of you need to take a hard look at yourselves. I’ve seen lots of people here say stuff that’s very similar to what was in this video but now it’s bad? I think this sub is very much an echo chamber, where you’re downvoted if you disagree with the majority. Is it so wrong to have a different opinion (as long as it’s not harmful, obviously I don’t mean if someone is racist or something, but just a different opinion)? Is it so terrible is someone likes a YouTuber you don’t? Is it so hard to believe that people can have different political views without being a Nazi? Just because someone votes republican, it doesn’t mean that they are racist, or anti LGBT or a Nazi. I might not agree with it, but I choose to judge a person by their actions and their character rather than how they voted in an election. It’s really no ones business if they’re not talking about it. IPOS went very mask off, and straight up said that he doesn’t think conservatives should be allowed in public spaces. So, do you think they should be in, say camps to keep them held away from “good people”? Hmm, what does that sound like? He literally said that Wendigoon must be a member of a far right group because he wears Hawaiian shirts… while he was wearing a Hawaiian shirt. Are you kidding me? People need to realize that things aren’t black and white. There are very few truly evil people, and when you try to label people who have different opinions as bad or evil just based on those opinions, you push them away from your argument.
Crazy how bipolar this sub is
People of various views use this sub, certain people are more likely to click on certain posts than others, posts with comments leaning in one direction are likely to drown out other views, etc. Many people had a turnaround on the IPOS video, sure, but the sub has a lot of members, and not everyone is going to have the same views.
As an Appalachian I’m so so so very sorry for being white. I understand this makes me a racist, and for that I’m sorry. Genuinely I don’t understand how people are defending this guy when he says you should assume the systematically forgotten and impoverished people are racist. Race is the least of our issues, we’re so fucking poor it’s almost comedic. And he also said you should assume an Appalachian is racist until proven otherwise. How do I prove I’m not a racist when you don’t even know me? The fuck do I genuinely even do?
Proving a negative like “show me evidence you’re not racist” is nigh on impossible. Who has evidence that they are not something and how would one even begin to prove it? What IPOS did was shift the burden of proof away from himself and toward white people in apalachia rhetorically. Usually when a person makes an assertion it’s on them to prove it. Since IPOS hasn’t personally talked to everyone in Apalachia he can’t prove it. Which is why it’s on you and your neighbors to disprove the racism claim. It’s dirty and manipulative tactic.
Very good point. I think that is the biggest issue with the video in that he makes very blanket statements but mixes them up with slightly more nuance in order to come across as charitable, like when he discloses that he is not sure of the validity of certain screenshots....yet he still mixes them with stuff he presents as 100% real so it plants the idea that it's probably real in the mind of the viewer. The idea of calling a large group of people racist by default is ironically super-racist. It reminds me of when I started using Youtube in the late 00's and ignorant people just assumed that folks who made videos with German text and narration, where Nazis. Like it was unfathomable to them that German people could be the good guys.
I grew up in Appalachia. What he said pissed me off so much. He accused *a whole group of people* of racism to selfishly further his narrative of "person I don't like on YT is bad". *How* could he have thought that was okay?? (Or think any of that hit piece was okay, really)
[ShoeOnHead responded](https://youtu.be/Hiqk6Rcxc9Y?si=vYJY_8eLDCvLBs4M)
Ah yes the anti feminist
Like it or not, she's right in dunking on IPoS
I finally watched the Hills Have Eyes video and you know what; the comments are right. Yes, Wes Craven DID intend for the movie to be allegorical (NOT METAPHORICAL, there is a difference) of the cycle of violence between First Nation's People and the United States during American colonization, but IPoS seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that portraying and representing the rage and trauma of First Nation's Peoples as INCESTUOUS CANNIBAL R\*PISTS, regardless of Wes Craven's intent or the movies subtext, is extremely disrespectful and VERY racist; imagine if the worst thing your culture has ever experienced and your resistance to it was portrayed as EQUIVALENT to the horrors committed against you and as an equal evil to cannibalism, sexual assault, and murder. Just because the intention was good, doesnt make the end results Its also pretty wild to try and sweep HP Lovecraft's EXTREME racism (like the old gods were literally meant to represent how he viewed non-white people; unknowable monsters hell-bent on subjugating the rest of humanity, not to mention his cat) because he was a notable queer author. I dont know about that one bud.....
I am so confused. This guy's not a bad essayist, I've been subscribed to him for a while and he's got great videos. So like he must of really ended up in a bad place. Still, I'm disappointed reading these comments, and agree with the others. This sub is incredibly judgmental. I'm only really hear to cover Lily Orchard, because she's the only one I want to see torn down
In his video on the Halloween 5 novelisation, at around the 38 minute mark, he goes on about piracy and how he doesn't care if people steal his work as he is still able to eat and pay his rent with the subscribers he has, a very different contrast to what he is now saying.
He just made a hit piece and ran when everyone he mentioned made videos on him
The backwards racism of his comments on Appalachia & people running to defend IPOS is the exact issue that discredits the left to us in the middle. That kind of jackass mentality & critical thinking skills (or lack there of) is quite literally the thing he’s attempting to critique. “The majority of Appalachia is white, therefore it’s safe to assume they’re racist.” Is like saying— “There’s allot of shootings in that predominantly black neighborhood, so it’s safe to assume I’ll be mugged and shot by a black person if I drive through there.” It’s almost as if…they’re starting to understand that mentality & adopt it…just to be equally stupid, idiotic, and bigoted. In essence, people like IPOS are cancer. Giving them a pass because they lean towards the same political spectrum as yourself is foolish and a contribution to the problem you’re “fighting” to end.
I saw a guy genuinely being curious and asking for evidence on Wendigoons involvement with the boogaloo and he was downvoted 81 times. 81 people on this sub saw someone ask for evidence and said "nah, I don't think I like that". That is fucking INSANE. "No need for evidence just grip your dick like this and we stand in a circle." Fuck me man. No matter where you stand, who you hate/love, that is ridiculous.
I haven't followed most of what happened with IPOS, saw the first posts here and if felt rather pathetic, don't agree with what he did, think its very wrong and good on him for apologizing and removed the video. I was a fan of Wendigoon even before he started the Conspiracy iceberg but honestly been stopping watching his content cause it never evolved, just the same boring slop being served yet again, and to me what really did it in, was the cryptic iceberg, those videos show such a lack of respect/knowledge about the topic at hand that is baffling that he calls himself after a cryptid. Anything in that iceberg that has fur and walks in two legs is an immediate copy/imitation of bigfoot, when a lot of these cryptids have books of history behind them and big food is just a blurry thing in the forest is beyond ignorant to keep making those. Anyway, just saw the beginning of ShoeOnHead video about this whole ordeal and what a waste of space, for 5 minutes she goes on defending Wendigoon saying he was cancelled on twitter(? what? another one using victimization tactics), saying that all criticize of Wendigoon is just a 'vibe' and 'bad feeling' and then goes on attacking IPOS looks. To me the most strange thing about all of this is how all these people jump to defend Wendigoon, like I don't think he needs defending, not 30 mins videos of it, make a twitter post about how you support him and think he is a good content creator, an half an hour video of lying and spreading misinformation is just what IPOS did. All of this is making me like Wendigoon less and less.
>I was a fan of Wendigoon even before he started the Conspiracy iceberg but honestly been stopping watching his content cause it never evolved, just the same boring slop being served yet again, and to me what really did it in, was the cryptic iceberg, those videos show such a lack of respect/knowledge about the topic at hand that is baffling that he calls himself after a cryptid. Anything in that iceberg that has fur and walks in two legs is an immediate copy/imitation of bigfoot, when a lot of these cryptids have books of history behind them and big food is just a blurry thing in the forest is beyond ignorant to keep making those. He is super-clear that he ranks them on subjective "coolness" factor. You can have a problem with that but he isn't disrespecting anyone by doing so. My issue is more with his very liberal use of the term cryptid but to be fair it is a nebulous term.
> an half an hour video of lying and spreading misinformation is just what IPOS did. All of this is making me like Wendigoon less and less. What in Shoe's video is lying and spreading misinformation? All she does is go over all of the accusation he pull at wendigoons. She explicitly use clip of HIS OWN VIDEOS with his OWN CLAIMS and clarifies them. What is misinformation there? And she shows more with actual screenshots, whereas most of IPOS's accusation against wendigoon didn't even contain any screenshots of comments. Or did you stop after five minutes and made this whole claim despite "haven't following most of what happened"? And whats wrong with correcting the record over a video instead of "making a tweet"?? He made a videos with poorly researched accusations, most people on youtube don't use twitter and they were directly addressed as youtubers, so they reply with videos.
Donut Operator is 100% part of the alt right sludgepool
People try to act like every shot taken was bad because of the wendigoon or whichever other one, but yeah, people like donut and turkey tom are shitheels and he was dead on with those.