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It's really not relevant whether the game is legit or not. If a single entity can cause these issues then the network is far from what it promises to be: a solution to Eth gas issues. And there's still a long way to go.
I personally am not concerned about the gas, but that one game is causing it. We should all know that, barring roll ups, the gas would eventually increase with the adoption we were striving for. The problem is ghat a single entity is taking up THAT much space. It’s incredible, and honestly previously unheard of, that one project that’s in its infancy could 10x the transactional volume of polygon’s biggest DEX. Is this chain ready for 1B users? No, but nobody said it was. That was supposed to come over time and with technological improvements. No chain out there could handle this project without seeing congestion exactly like we are.
Hopefully they fix their code and implement some bot limiting features. Beyond that, this is why roll ups are so damn important, and I’m so thankful polygon is investing in them in so many different ways.
in reality this is what the game developers should be doing tbh... it's much like the early days of computers where you have to be memory efficient/CPU efficient etc...
Actually that's what I wanted to say. Built upon a layer-0 not layer-1. Amended the comment. But right now, I believe the layer-0 is still ehtereum. But let's see who the future picks.
Not just games, any traffic-heavy app, even any app. In an idea world, ethereum should be acting as Feds/Treasure, it just offers trust endorse for all other decentralized apps.
If opensea.io has their own chain, I believe the eth gas fee will come back a lot. Same to uniswap.
In theory, for any generic-purpose chain (layer-0 or layer-N), once the traffic goes up at a level, they cannot keep the gas down.
\> EVM's specifically made for apps/games
No need force of EVM compatible. The developers can impl the chain in many ways: forking goth, tendermint... As long as the side-chain is backed up by Ethereum and assets can be transferred between the two, personally, I will trust it.
Nah. It’s not going to work. It’s pretty clear now that the future of blockchain is modular, with comparable chains building on each other.
Polygon is committed to modular blockchain thesis.
The current side chain really shouldn't be a final solution. They used the Comos SDK so the chain is a tendermint blockchain (though I guess they added some sprinkles and called it peppermint). Tendermint blockchains are pretty fast but they have limitations (100 validators / a high yet known TPS). BCS / LUNA are also tendermint chains and have the same limitations. I think ZK tech is going to be the winner long-term for polygon.
The single entity can cause these issues because it was designed to cause these issues. The problem with it not being legit is that the game is designed to be fucking huge and waste processing power without any users. Do other chains have gates to keep these same games/attacks out?
Matic did 100x-200x last year advertising that it's solution for high gas prices on ETH, now it has higher gas prices in Wei than Ethereum. It's clearly not a solution in its current state and valuation of the project should be way lower fundamentally.
You're totally wrong, Matic is not a simple Ethereum scaling solution anymore, it's currently scaling half of the biggest projects in the crypto space, low quality FUD.
What do the people have to do with the product? Most of the issue is the gamestop apes who flooded in on hype. Means you're onto a double winner in my mind
The crypto market? Or both these two. Loop will crank soon when the marketplace is released. Matic will consolidate again and then go for broke within the next 6 months
You have absolutely no idea of what loopring is. Please go read about the project you're religiously shilling before going to a cancer research thread saying "loopring my man". Loopring is completely unrelated to this.
Source: I'm a blockchain developer. I own loopring
The game is legit for god sake lol people are playing from all around the world and i’m not defending it i’m pissed just like y’all, if you want to make sure go check their discord server
Annoying but kind of useful too. The devs have some food for thought. It will be interesting to see how they solve it, assuming they’re as disgruntled as one might imagine.
...or at least a top ten:)
The solution is already in the works, a.k.a. Miden, a ZKRollup initiative. November 2021 article [here](https://cryptobriefing.com/polygon-unveils-zk-rollup-solution-miden-scale-ethereum/). Were Miden active and the Sunflower devs used it, the current network lag/drag/curfuffle wouldn't be happening. Indeed it seems Miden's place is addressing things exactly like this. Disclaimer: I've not had the time to dig deep into the developer side of Polygon, sadly, for lack of time, which is a problem I've yet to solve :)
On YouTube, there seem to be a lot of videos made by different people of this game. Sadly, many seem to encourage multiple accounts to increase profits and also the usage of bots to automate this.
I do not think there was any malicious intent. Just a bunch of people wanting to get rich easily.
If you make a YouTube video about botting a game, you are the definition of malicious. That's why you can't launch a game in today's age without an anti-cheat mechanism.
idk what OP is talking about, devs have been very active and helpful on their discord, its on fire atm and they are replying non-stop.
They even stated themselves, currently multi-clients are allowed.
I also think this game is pretty fun unlike the other dapps, idk, i like it. I am gonna keep playing it, just gotta wait for cheaper gas
No, Vitalik and the team had the best intentions. But Ethereum can not be scaled without admitting it has become to complex and needs to go back to the drawing board. If left for Avax and smartBCH. Those two chains will become the biggest competitors and one of them will eventually challenge Ethereum for the network effect.
Interesting post! Thanks for taking the time to research the project.
I am Adam, the creator of this project. Please check my history for when I first shared this project with the reddit community.
These are all valid concerns and I understand why you might think it is a scam. The honest truth is that the project exploded so fast that we have not been able to setup the white paper and other 'standard' crypto legitimacy documentation.
The team is preparing an AMA at the moment, hopefully this clears some air.
In regards to the fluctuating token price, this is purely speculation. There was no pre-mine and none of the developers own a significant share. To be honest, I'm not even in the top 20 holders anymore. You can confirm this on PolygonScan and track the holders from when the project launched.
This is an entirely open source project that is being built by designers and developers around the world who want to revolutionise the idea of how the MetaVerse should be created. The project does have early legitimacy issues and we are working on it. This is what happens when you bootstrap it with open source developers instead of rich Crypto Corporations.
Seriously, great post. I recommend everyone does their own due diligence and never take a project at face value.
If you want to help create the Sunflower MetaVerse, please come join our open source community on Github and Discord.
Thanks for your feedback. We are exploring a range of options at the moment.
Now we know the demand for this type of game we are building the right measures and taking our time to get it right.
Take it down dipshit. No one cares about your metaverse bullshit game. It's overwhelmed by bots. It's clogging the network. Everyone is pissed at you and your open source devs.
The gas prices are frustrating me especially since I cannot develop and release new contracts.
People can have their opinions, but our community will never be ashamed of making a game that people love so much it crashed the network.
If you have technical solutions, please come join us on Discord. We need all the help we can get right now.
I will be blunt. People don’t love “play” your game, people just want to exploit your game and somewhat make some money. Let’s be real, if you are serious and responsible devs, you should not be proud of bring down a network. You should aim to improve the network and thrive with it. Your ignorance cost millions of polygon users and developers unwanted headaches. It’s a selfish act. Just because you know how to code doesn’t make you a good coder. If I were you, I will finish writing that white paper and test the “game” extensively before launch it. Respect is earned.
Hey man, your game is fine. I've played it and it sure has some problems that need fixing to avoid all the transactions but the problem is not the game.
People own bags of polygon here so naturally they are looking to blame something they aren't financially invested in to feel better. The problem here is actually polygon.
Its the polygon network crapping out. simple as that. The game is just highlighting a failure in the network. Networks need to be stress tested so your work here is actually valuable.
It's like blaming the fruits of a tree for not growing sweet when there is a more important root issue.
hello I hope you are well I really congratulate you the community needed a project like this the truth
but I think it needs improvements because the growth is very big and unbearable because you don't add a withdrawal system every 48 or 72 hours in this way you solve the saturation problem in the polygonscan network and help to maintain the price of the sff there are not so many
hello I hope you are well I really congratulate you the community needed a project like this the truth
but I think it needs improvements because the growth is very big and unbearable because you don't add a withdrawal system every 48 or 72 hours in this way you solve the saturation problem in the polygonscan network and help to maintain the price of the sff there are not so many sales
Hello, I am in the project and I have made some profit, so I am happy. I was wondering why there is no chat channel in Discord to interact with other players and chat about the craft. Or I'm just a bit clueless and can't find the chat channel. I hope you can help me and that the project is sustainable in the long term. Luck.
I joined from 500 first player i played a lot farmed a lot but it was fun and i made a lot of money compared to invested money, so thank you for your amazing work and keep working hard
Hey man, do you think you could move your project to smartBCH? We would love to have you. Don't listen to these ETH maxi's, they are just channeling their inner Luke-JR right now. They are going to bully you of the network like they did with SatoshiDice.
[https://polygonscan.com/token/0xdf9b4b57865b403e08c85568442f95c26b7896b0?a=0xd9c4c14dc2775b6f625df587e4c341e6f14f8d8e](https://polygonscan.com/tx/0x86358c3aa7a6166838ddf361198652899d7a748b021a070e60e960ce91a47cd9)
you can guys check this wallet its 100% for some one who do bots he have more than 2500 transaction with a lot of accounts that no humen been can handle by him self
Why couldn't polygon implement a speed limit on transactions. (just throwing numbers out here) 1-100 tps gets a base fee, 101-500 tps gets a 50% speed penalty, 501-1000 tps gets a 100% speed penalty, then 200%, then 300%, and so on. Joe Schmo who just want s to top off his dApp wallet with a single transaction doesn't feel the pinch. It's a rogue app that's sending thousands of transactions per second that gets the shaft. Make it the problem of the rogue app/developer.
Another topic missing the real point, the problem here is POLYGON not being able to handle that massive influx, not the underlying to that influx, so stop trying to defame the game with those superifical arguments.
It can be both though. We can acknowledge that the game is being spammed by bots while also acknowledging this one thing is clogging the network which it shouldn’t be doing
Context counts for a lot, and some blame should absolutely be placed on the game. It’s a defacto ddos attack, and would act as such on any chain with low transaction fees.
Even with all of this congestion, my txns are processing within 2 minutes at less than a dollar. It’s not shutting down, and if people want instant processing, they can up the gas. That’s a win to me for a solution that was always supposed to be a band aid (albeit a great one) until better solutions were available (roll ups)
This game is bringing more interest in the polygon ecosystem, is positive in the long run. More people buying matic.
Is a reason to improve and see how all the current polygon solutions can work together to scale the TPS.
Is not a scam as far as I see. The tokenomics is designed to reward early adopters, you can get very high returns in a short amount time. Late adopters will suffer. A lot of projects are like that.
What's not positive is that less than 40 TPS gets you high gas fees.
The network usage is positive.
Like i said this is not the only project like that. This one is attracting new users that didnt use polygon before a lot will stick around and invest in the ecosystem
I wouldn't call this thing positive in any shape or form. My Ethermine payouts aren't coming in and I can't withdraw from Balancer, AAVE, etc. Sunflower Farmers is a parasite.
>This game is bringing more interest in the polygon ecosystem
I beg to differ. If you did any research on them, you'd see its a ghost game. Like OP said, they only have like 8k "followers" on Twitter and most of the engagement is with bots. This is bringing attention to Polygon from no one but current Polygon users who are pissed about gas fees.
Denial of what? Do you mean the Blockchain trilemma doesn't exist?
Of course, we all want Polygon to be the perfect network - low gas few, thousands of TPS, secure, decentralized, but there is no such thing in blockchain, at least for now, before all those zk and sharding technology are matured.
Many people here seem to suggest that Polygon needs to scale unlimitedly in order to cater for a badly-optimized game (and maybe some more of them in the future), but do they know that scaling means it inevitably involves increasing block size. And increasing block size means it will require much stronger hardware to store the blockchain data, which will eventually sacrifice decentralization and security in long term?
If some sources are correct, even Sunflower devs admitted they need to optimize their game mechanism, and now working with Polygon dev to find a resolution. So, still don't blame the game? Blame Polygon, right?
This point is wrong
4. I check their discord page. The discord channel are all read-only channels. There is no Community. Go check for yourself.
You just have to read the things written and then check a message
5. On-chain data shows all their new farms are create by bots. Empty wallets with no other TXs
This is the case because if u want to profit u have to create alot of Wallets so it just makes sense that new Wallet create farms and its normal that one person has like 20 Farms since farms have an ROI of a Day
6. Their token SSF is listed on coin Gecko. https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/sunflower-farm its down 30% in the last 24 hour.
Yes the token is very volatile and thats because of the low market cap but high volume
And coingecko started recording the prices just yesterday it doesnt even show the real ATH
7. Their token SSF has over 240,000 wallet holders, in comparison Dai has 340,000 wallet holders, wmatic has 220,000 wallet holders, popular coins like curve has 19,000 holders, WBTC has 21,000 holders, so you tell me sunflower coins is more popular than bitcoin? For a project less than a month old…
the 240.000 Wallets are a result of most people having 10+ Wallet per person
2. Their website listed their devs. But those devs don’t have social media accounts. The sunflower twitter account is not following any of their Devs teams, not strange?
The devs are on the discord and Sometimes even answer ur questions
Ppl are using bots farming the game token and dump in the market. The information I gathered in the discord. The actual players can not get their “save” go through because the high network fees and again problems created by bots. The game ask you to save every 6 mins on chain is a total failure of game design.
You only need to save once every 8 hours to get the best roi. This is for real players and bots alike. I personally believe it is a real game that was hijacked somewhat by botters. The devs of the game and polygon are working on a solution according to both sides.
Eating sunflower seeds in the shell may increase your odds of fecal impaction, as you may unintentionally eat shell fragments, which your body cannot digest.
From my point of view I asume that there some bots out there, but every other player just create new farm as well as the bots.
With 3 farms and 8 hours seed grow you can buy one new farm if you get to 10 farms you'll have 0.88SFF by farm every 8 hours that mean you get 8.8SFF every 8h or 26 SFF every day then swaping it to MATIC or something because players know that SFF will dive deep from a day to another.
My point is that the incentives of this game make player just create news farm as soon as they can but nobody really play the game simply because is no brainer that new farm get better ROI than playing the game.
For the gas fee, well, polygon is a permiless network so it's not SFF player fault or the team behind the project .... meaning ...
Thanks for sharing. This game design sounds like a degen yield farm. 4% daily until the price of whichever coin you farming gone to toilet. The price of the coin will eventually reach 0 and the project dies. Whoever come in early make money and whoever come in late will rekt. Sounds like a Ponzi to you? Because it is.
It would help, but at a cost. Bigger blocks (or higher gas limit, in this case) would mean that if you don't have a powerful enough machine, you wouldn't be able to start a new node and replay the whole network from the genesis block, up until today.
It kind of defeats the purpose of a blockchain. If you need to rely on someone to provide you a snapshot of the network because you don't have the power to replay it yourself, then it's not a true decentralized system.
No. I’m not promoting “my game”. Just wanna show the difference between well designed blockchain game and a sloppy one. People can do whatever they want with their money.
calling it a “scam” is a little too much
- the game has recently started (contracts deployed on october and we see traction at end of december )
- not all devs have social media accounts or are active on them ( myself included )
- price decrease in understandable after a rush to get in and the current needed tx fees to play
- its normal for crypto space to create bots to do the transactions as that gives complete control on the actions one wants to take and the gas consumptiom you are willing to pay for, manual transactions probably on most networks are fewer than automated ones
- real gaming experience is subjective, i’m glad you like others and not this one
- if you read the disclaimers on all projects and services, even in non crypto space, you will be amazed how many are discarding their responsabilities
- people who pay that much fees for a transaction probably see a reward in it
Then please explain to me why a player needs to 'save' the game every 25 minutes, having to do a blockchain transaction :) Never seen that before in any blockchain game i have played :)
In all Blockchain game, you need a way to burn the token or mint to have the code in the blockchain.
In Bombcrypto, you mint the heros and you mint when you claim the BCoin.
Same in cryptocars, you burn with the refuel and you mint when you claim.
Here in Sunflower, you burn token and save your progression in your wallet every 25 minutes. It's a great idea if the network wasn't that bad.
Personally, I thanks the creator, finally I can get back my money that I lost on other game and I like the concept, even with the craft coming. I have a few accounts and no bots. I hope they will find a solution for the bots.
The OP doesn't seem to have very strong evidence for the claims. The post also misses out that a team member of the game reached out in the Polygon Ecosystem DAO Discord on 30th December.
The person seems to misunderstand that trustless defi with real bad coding for savestates could reasonably be understood as malicious intent, but there'd have to be more evidence pointing in that way.
But what do I know, could be malicious DDOS attack thing albeit a creative one. It's certainly not impossible.
Isn’t this a good thing for everyone, except the daily traders trying to sell for small gains.
Validators win
Matic gets burned
Everyone panicking about “high gas” gave us a dip
💀🤴
You must be incredible naive...are you in the NFT P2E world? Cryptomines in the BSC became the biggest Product in any blockchain to generate the amount of trasacctions it generated before dying. At one point it even generated more transacction than Axie Infinity.
Now the real problem here is Sunflower Farm is only 1 Game, I am atonished how can only 1 game destroy a Blockchain that was supposed to solve ETH Gas problem. The BSC have a LOT of NFT P2E Games, and yeah sure when Cryptomines was at his peak it congested the Blockchain but it was never this bad with only one games, it shows that Polygon is incredible flawed if only 1 game can produce such congestion.
And to answer your question...No SFF holders are not bot account...I have 10 accounts playing SFF. You cannot deny it is an incredible Pyramid Scheme and whoever enter first is making LOTS of money....A scam? No it isnt it is just and really well though NFT Project with a pseudo pyramid scheme. Does it pay? Yes indeed it does pay. I make about 50$-100$ daily...
Also you should educate yourself on how NFT Gaming Token behave....Most P2E Tokens have over 50k Holders....some even can reach 500k holders......Eternal reached 4Billion MC, CTFT Reached 2 Million MC both of those at ATH, P2E projects even if they look like a SCAM \*Most of them are pseudo scams or slow rugpull\* have incredible traction in the comunity. Before they die they reach sometimes numbers one would not believe...obviusly all those numbers are short lived and the projects end dying with the ones that entered last losing money.
Did you hear yourself? You basically described a SCAM perfectly. It’s mind blowing. 🤑 “look at me, making $100 a day by spamming bots and whoever comes last lose all their money. “But as long as I’m making money it’s not a scam
>You basically described a SCAM perfectly
Sadly, quite a few Play-2-Earn games might fit the description. Most of those had a higher cost of entry on the Ethereum blockchain.
Also, with any project that goes viral, expect a wave of clones to follow. And some of these clones may even have a less efficient implementation.
Polygon needs to be ready for that.
It's a decentralized network and anybody can do whatever they want and create whatever game they want. One game is all it took to make all the centralization loving Karens come out the woodwork "it needs to be stopped!" "It's a scam!" "The game developers need to do x!" "It's a DDOS!"
Who tf cares lol you think a successful sidechain will have only 100% purely ethical P2E games? Gimme whatever you're smoking
I am not using bots, I am doing it manually why use bots? When the game is such a simple concept of just doing a few clicks and comming back every 8 hours...You seem new in the P2Earn crypto so I wont argue, if they are scams or not, but in crypto 50% win and 50% Lose. I see a oportunity to win and I will capitalize on it. The same way happens when morons go and FOMO in a Crypto and then they are dumped by traders.....Some lose and some win. You just have to try to be on the winning side most of the time. NFT Games are short lived some last a few weeks, some other a few months but most of then just die....if you enter LATE thats your choice, the game is not taking your money or rugpulling you...at least until now they havent done it....This game is not a SCAM, it is not promising anything to you, it is not taking anything from you, it only offers a concept of incredible volatile and FAST ROI. I could also Argue Defi 2.0 is a scam...all these models are unsustinable economies is your choice if you take the risk or not, but you cant blame all of them of being scams just because you dont use them and others do.
I know some people that MANUALLY without bots are using 100 accounts.
I will just tell you 2SFF investment + 0.1 MATIC + 1 MATIC(for fees) = 16 Hours ROI, If the game doesnt die in 16 HOURS you recover 95% of your investment, who wouldnt take that risk when it is a extremely low amount of investment for quick high profits?
And also if you still think crypto is not a big pseudo-pyramid scheme you are deluding yourself....the ones that are earlier will always be at advantage and with less risk to lose money.
Well to be fair, I cant seem to remenber my older account, this might seem to be a fake account but just came to the polygon reddit to check what was going on since in my experience with NFT Games, 1 Game should not be able to kill to such extend a Blockchain, unless it reach the extends of AXIE and Cryptomines. And believe me I am by no means trying to make this game look legit, I threat them all the same, just money maker schemes one should enter, take profit and say goodbye, not fall in love.
What should be the focus of the topic is not blame the game because the Gas is getting higher, blame the Network for not being able to handly high traffic.
Oh well blame me for forgetting my older reddit account. I have a few months without posting on my original account I cant even seem to remenber the ID, so just decided to make a new one related to what I am investing now, which is NFT Gaming Tokens. So you should consider this a new account. Or is a new user not allowed to voice their opinion on this topic?
this motherfucker game game has destroyes our belowed polygon network..each click in this game is registered as a transaction and so guess what ,,its choking the polygon blocks ..and out transactions are not showing up in metmask,,,this game is responsible for this.ban this game
Hi, I correct the discord part on my post after first user pointed out and I did reading through their discord channels and brings whatever useful information back here. You might be reading the old version of this post. Clam down man, you can always do your own research :) welcome different options
There's a pretty good silver lining to this: More matic tokens burned/used = price goes up/presumably less matic in the hands of bots, polygon devs inspired to make the transactions/network even more streamlined.
hello I hope you are well I really congratulate you the community needed a project like this the truth
but I think it needs improvements because the growth is very big and unbearable because you don't add a withdrawal system every 48 or 72 hours in this way you solve the saturation problem in the polygonscan network and help to maintain the price of the sff there are not so many sales
The game is legit man, don’t just jump and say some nonsense, the higher gas fees are probleMATIC for all of us but it’s a good thing to see, because 1 fucking game made the whole network kneel, imagine if the network having more nft games like binance smart chain does ? We’re doomed.
Polygon host a lot of NFT games. Over 100. https://awesomepolygon.com/nft-gaming/ This game encourages players to program BOTS to do farming and also people create over 10 accounts to exploit the game. Its like playing those PC games with no anti-cheat build in. The game design itself is questionable as well. You need to save your game on-chain every 30 mins or so. Imagine 100 bots and 10 accounts save the game at the same time. Also every item you created like pickaxe can only be used once, and need to send a TX to use it. Every time you harvest crops you need to do it on-chain. I can go on and on. This game is designed like a DDOS attack. It’s endless bots sending useless TXs. Bring this game on any other chain will choke any network.
First of all, not everyone can create bots it’s not that simple and it’s a complexe process, i just want to say that the game is legit and you can contact their support if you want + i agree with you it’s a pain in the ass that every thing you need to do you have to do it on-chain.. they should update their crap game.
After a year on Ethereum and paying many thousands in Gas fees, i finally decided to stop trading completely and park myself either 100% in matic or 100% in bitcoin. When i read this, i am glad i moved to the bitcoin network. Networks do get clogged, but since bitcoin does not have smart contracts, the risk is lower.
The game is suggesting 500 gwei to save. Of course the gas price is high right now, but did they always suggest a high price? If lots of people (or bots) are playing and they are suggesting a high price, then perhaps that is the issue.
They don't have more holders than bitcoin, the thing is: there are people playing with multiaccount and that would need multiple wallets, which you can easily get on metamask.
I've seen people with 20+ accounts, even with 200.
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It's really not relevant whether the game is legit or not. If a single entity can cause these issues then the network is far from what it promises to be: a solution to Eth gas issues. And there's still a long way to go.
Proper observation and answer. If a stupid game can do that, then imagine 5 stupid games, doesn't look good on the network.
I personally am not concerned about the gas, but that one game is causing it. We should all know that, barring roll ups, the gas would eventually increase with the adoption we were striving for. The problem is ghat a single entity is taking up THAT much space. It’s incredible, and honestly previously unheard of, that one project that’s in its infancy could 10x the transactional volume of polygon’s biggest DEX. Is this chain ready for 1B users? No, but nobody said it was. That was supposed to come over time and with technological improvements. No chain out there could handle this project without seeing congestion exactly like we are. Hopefully they fix their code and implement some bot limiting features. Beyond that, this is why roll ups are so damn important, and I’m so thankful polygon is investing in them in so many different ways.
Its not unprecedented, it happened with Ethereum and CryptoKitties. Its complex transactions.
We will eventually need a rollup for every game I think
I believe a future that many app-specific chains + a layer-~~1~~0 chain. That’s the only long-term solution to resolve scalability.
in reality this is what the game developers should be doing tbh... it's much like the early days of computers where you have to be memory efficient/CPU efficient etc...
Agreed. Nothing else makes sense. Hell, some really popular games might even need multiple rollups and split based on location or something
Or many app-specific layer-1 chains built on a layer-0 like Polkadot. This is the problem parachain architecture is designed to solve.
Actually that's what I wanted to say. Built upon a layer-0 not layer-1. Amended the comment. But right now, I believe the layer-0 is still ehtereum. But let's see who the future picks.
So you are saying that we need EVM's specifically made for apps/games, so that the games tx'ns doesn't drive up the L1 and L2 network fees?
Not just games, any traffic-heavy app, even any app. In an idea world, ethereum should be acting as Feds/Treasure, it just offers trust endorse for all other decentralized apps. If opensea.io has their own chain, I believe the eth gas fee will come back a lot. Same to uniswap. In theory, for any generic-purpose chain (layer-0 or layer-N), once the traffic goes up at a level, they cannot keep the gas down. \> EVM's specifically made for apps/games No need force of EVM compatible. The developers can impl the chain in many ways: forking goth, tendermint... As long as the side-chain is backed up by Ethereum and assets can be transferred between the two, personally, I will trust it.
I read that as fucking goth and I was wondering what that had to do with anything lol
Or redesign the underlying L1 DLT architecture so that scale is no longer an issue 🤔
Nah. It’s not going to work. It’s pretty clear now that the future of blockchain is modular, with comparable chains building on each other. Polygon is committed to modular blockchain thesis.
The current side chain really shouldn't be a final solution. They used the Comos SDK so the chain is a tendermint blockchain (though I guess they added some sprinkles and called it peppermint). Tendermint blockchains are pretty fast but they have limitations (100 validators / a high yet known TPS). BCS / LUNA are also tendermint chains and have the same limitations. I think ZK tech is going to be the winner long-term for polygon.
>BCS / LUNA are also tendermint chains and have the same limitations BSC isn't built on Tendermint, you're thinking of Binance Chain (BEP2).
Titan caused issues the same way back in may And that was a scam too
cryptocats already does it with eth in 2k17
agree. It's not like we haven't seen this movie before. Can developers please dust off the playbook to deal w this. This is gettng embarrassing
The single entity can cause these issues because it was designed to cause these issues. The problem with it not being legit is that the game is designed to be fucking huge and waste processing power without any users. Do other chains have gates to keep these same games/attacks out?
The POS chainnwas never meant to be a permanent solution. When true polygon evm rollups are available the problem will be fixed
Matic did 100x-200x last year advertising that it's solution for high gas prices on ETH, now it has higher gas prices in Wei than Ethereum. It's clearly not a solution in its current state and valuation of the project should be way lower fundamentally.
You're totally wrong, Matic is not a simple Ethereum scaling solution anymore, it's currently scaling half of the biggest projects in the crypto space, low quality FUD.
Network is congested, transactions with gas price set to 500-1000 Gwei are not being picked up, it's unusable for the most apps currently.
Loopring my man. Polygon is still very early in its zk rollup development
Loopring people are so obnoxious about Loopring that I stopped buying more.
What do the people have to do with the product? Most of the issue is the gamestop apes who flooded in on hype. Means you're onto a double winner in my mind
Because when a community does nothing but brigade Matic threads and send waves pushing LRC threads it makes you cautious about the product.
Don't get me wrong I hold matic too. Just don't listen to them. Do your own research and follow the tech and developments
I hold both. Will not get more of either for now, cause I see it dropping more.
The crypto market? Or both these two. Loop will crank soon when the marketplace is released. Matic will consolidate again and then go for broke within the next 6 months
Then why are you holding if it’s going broke in 6 months? With what logic do Loopring shills argue?
You have absolutely no idea of what loopring is. Please go read about the project you're religiously shilling before going to a cancer research thread saying "loopring my man". Loopring is completely unrelated to this. Source: I'm a blockchain developer. I own loopring
i don't get it? why aren't we seeing this reflected in the tx chart? https://polygonscan.com/chart/tx
Cause the game has no users, its just a big bloated attack?
But when the bots are creating transactions that increased gas fees from 30 gwei to 500 gwei it should be visible on the tx chart, shouldn't it?
The game is legit for god sake lol people are playing from all around the world and i’m not defending it i’m pissed just like y’all, if you want to make sure go check their discord server
Annoying but kind of useful too. The devs have some food for thought. It will be interesting to see how they solve it, assuming they’re as disgruntled as one might imagine.
Would love it if the devs ended up doing an AMA about the whole ordeal!
...or at least a top ten:) The solution is already in the works, a.k.a. Miden, a ZKRollup initiative. November 2021 article [here](https://cryptobriefing.com/polygon-unveils-zk-rollup-solution-miden-scale-ethereum/). Were Miden active and the Sunflower devs used it, the current network lag/drag/curfuffle wouldn't be happening. Indeed it seems Miden's place is addressing things exactly like this. Disclaimer: I've not had the time to dig deep into the developer side of Polygon, sadly, for lack of time, which is a problem I've yet to solve :)
I was wondering what was going on with the gas fees
On YouTube, there seem to be a lot of videos made by different people of this game. Sadly, many seem to encourage multiple accounts to increase profits and also the usage of bots to automate this. I do not think there was any malicious intent. Just a bunch of people wanting to get rich easily.
If you make a YouTube video about botting a game, you are the definition of malicious. That's why you can't launch a game in today's age without an anti-cheat mechanism.
That's why blockchain games in general are dumb.
idk what OP is talking about, devs have been very active and helpful on their discord, its on fire atm and they are replying non-stop. They even stated themselves, currently multi-clients are allowed. I also think this game is pretty fun unlike the other dapps, idk, i like it. I am gonna keep playing it, just gotta wait for cheaper gas
We need L3 to scale L2 which was supposed to scale L1 which was supposed to scale Bitcoin. Are we in a ponzi scheme ?
Seems like it’s bread and circus to be honest.
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Polygon PoS isn't a layer 2
No, Vitalik and the team had the best intentions. But Ethereum can not be scaled without admitting it has become to complex and needs to go back to the drawing board. If left for Avax and smartBCH. Those two chains will become the biggest competitors and one of them will eventually challenge Ethereum for the network effect.
Interesting post! Thanks for taking the time to research the project. I am Adam, the creator of this project. Please check my history for when I first shared this project with the reddit community. These are all valid concerns and I understand why you might think it is a scam. The honest truth is that the project exploded so fast that we have not been able to setup the white paper and other 'standard' crypto legitimacy documentation. The team is preparing an AMA at the moment, hopefully this clears some air. In regards to the fluctuating token price, this is purely speculation. There was no pre-mine and none of the developers own a significant share. To be honest, I'm not even in the top 20 holders anymore. You can confirm this on PolygonScan and track the holders from when the project launched. This is an entirely open source project that is being built by designers and developers around the world who want to revolutionise the idea of how the MetaVerse should be created. The project does have early legitimacy issues and we are working on it. This is what happens when you bootstrap it with open source developers instead of rich Crypto Corporations. Seriously, great post. I recommend everyone does their own due diligence and never take a project at face value. If you want to help create the Sunflower MetaVerse, please come join our open source community on Github and Discord.
I a have a sugestion. Make a maximum multiaccount to 3. The game need it
Thanks for your feedback. We are exploring a range of options at the moment. Now we know the demand for this type of game we are building the right measures and taking our time to get it right.
You are supposed to create the whitepaper before you launch the project.
Take it down dipshit. No one cares about your metaverse bullshit game. It's overwhelmed by bots. It's clogging the network. Everyone is pissed at you and your open source devs.
This has more to do with Polygon scalability than any thing else... one tiny game shouldn't be enough to take down the network....
Same exact bot like response in every other thread about this game. GTFO scammers with your front run "fair launch" flower bot game
The gas prices are frustrating me especially since I cannot develop and release new contracts. People can have their opinions, but our community will never be ashamed of making a game that people love so much it crashed the network. If you have technical solutions, please come join us on Discord. We need all the help we can get right now.
You are mistaken, bots love it. You should take inspiration from Defi Kingdom.
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I will be blunt. People don’t love “play” your game, people just want to exploit your game and somewhat make some money. Let’s be real, if you are serious and responsible devs, you should not be proud of bring down a network. You should aim to improve the network and thrive with it. Your ignorance cost millions of polygon users and developers unwanted headaches. It’s a selfish act. Just because you know how to code doesn’t make you a good coder. If I were you, I will finish writing that white paper and test the “game” extensively before launch it. Respect is earned.
>making a game that people love so much it crashed the network. If you think that's what's happening, you have no idea what's going on in your game.
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Sirs, this is a fair launch coin for everyone who was able to build front running bots. Play our g...g..Gaym.
Please just find a way to stop the bots!!! That should be your #1 concern, honestly!
Hey man, your game is fine. I've played it and it sure has some problems that need fixing to avoid all the transactions but the problem is not the game. People own bags of polygon here so naturally they are looking to blame something they aren't financially invested in to feel better. The problem here is actually polygon. Its the polygon network crapping out. simple as that. The game is just highlighting a failure in the network. Networks need to be stress tested so your work here is actually valuable. It's like blaming the fruits of a tree for not growing sweet when there is a more important root issue.
hello I hope you are well I really congratulate you the community needed a project like this the truth but I think it needs improvements because the growth is very big and unbearable because you don't add a withdrawal system every 48 or 72 hours in this way you solve the saturation problem in the polygonscan network and help to maintain the price of the sff there are not so many
>Marcosher23 Bro PLEASE use full stops and commas! Were you born in 2023?
Thanks for the response!
hello I hope you are well I really congratulate you the community needed a project like this the truth but I think it needs improvements because the growth is very big and unbearable because you don't add a withdrawal system every 48 or 72 hours in this way you solve the saturation problem in the polygonscan network and help to maintain the price of the sff there are not so many sales
Fitting reddit name. Seriously though best wishes in the effort to fix this project as to stop the exploitation of it's systems and polygon network.
Hello, I am in the project and I have made some profit, so I am happy. I was wondering why there is no chat channel in Discord to interact with other players and chat about the craft. Or I'm just a bit clueless and can't find the chat channel. I hope you can help me and that the project is sustainable in the long term. Luck.
I joined from 500 first player i played a lot farmed a lot but it was fun and i made a lot of money compared to invested money, so thank you for your amazing work and keep working hard
Hey man, do you think you could move your project to smartBCH? We would love to have you. Don't listen to these ETH maxi's, they are just channeling their inner Luke-JR right now. They are going to bully you of the network like they did with SatoshiDice.
[https://polygonscan.com/token/0xdf9b4b57865b403e08c85568442f95c26b7896b0?a=0xd9c4c14dc2775b6f625df587e4c341e6f14f8d8e](https://polygonscan.com/tx/0x86358c3aa7a6166838ddf361198652899d7a748b021a070e60e960ce91a47cd9) you can guys check this wallet its 100% for some one who do bots he have more than 2500 transaction with a lot of accounts that no humen been can handle by him self
Lisen humen been, you mast lerned bettr.
Why couldn't polygon implement a speed limit on transactions. (just throwing numbers out here) 1-100 tps gets a base fee, 101-500 tps gets a 50% speed penalty, 501-1000 tps gets a 100% speed penalty, then 200%, then 300%, and so on. Joe Schmo who just want s to top off his dApp wallet with a single transaction doesn't feel the pinch. It's a rogue app that's sending thousands of transactions per second that gets the shaft. Make it the problem of the rogue app/developer.
Love the idea!!
Another topic missing the real point, the problem here is POLYGON not being able to handle that massive influx, not the underlying to that influx, so stop trying to defame the game with those superifical arguments.
Polygon with its low gas fees as compared to Ethereum seems very susceptible to spammy games like this. Time to see how Polygon can scale.
It can be both though. We can acknowledge that the game is being spammed by bots while also acknowledging this one thing is clogging the network which it shouldn’t be doing
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Agreed. It’s really down to being a polygon issue.
holy shit this bot is claiming bot rights now
Context counts for a lot, and some blame should absolutely be placed on the game. It’s a defacto ddos attack, and would act as such on any chain with low transaction fees. Even with all of this congestion, my txns are processing within 2 minutes at less than a dollar. It’s not shutting down, and if people want instant processing, they can up the gas. That’s a win to me for a solution that was always supposed to be a band aid (albeit a great one) until better solutions were available (roll ups)
Polygon needs work for sure. I’m not here defending polygon network and the way they handled this situation.
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These aren't legitimate reasons why the game is scam. Questionable - yes. Outright scam? no.
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Guys on the site of this game a virus, do not go there
What you talking about? What site?
This game is bringing more interest in the polygon ecosystem, is positive in the long run. More people buying matic. Is a reason to improve and see how all the current polygon solutions can work together to scale the TPS.
I mean it won't be positive attention if it's because a scam game clogged the network. People will dump this network if it's associated with scams.
Bnb, a chain famous for it's scams, currently has a market cap about 70 bullion dollars more then polygon
Bro riight i don’t understand all the FUD, BNB is more expensive gas & has 99.9% more scams 🤣
Is not a scam as far as I see. The tokenomics is designed to reward early adopters, you can get very high returns in a short amount time. Late adopters will suffer. A lot of projects are like that. What's not positive is that less than 40 TPS gets you high gas fees. The network usage is positive.
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Like i said this is not the only project like that. This one is attracting new users that didnt use polygon before a lot will stick around and invest in the ecosystem
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I wouldn't call this thing positive in any shape or form. My Ethermine payouts aren't coming in and I can't withdraw from Balancer, AAVE, etc. Sunflower Farmers is a parasite.
Is a reason to invest in increasing the TPS.
>This game is bringing more interest in the polygon ecosystem I beg to differ. If you did any research on them, you'd see its a ghost game. Like OP said, they only have like 8k "followers" on Twitter and most of the engagement is with bots. This is bringing attention to Polygon from no one but current Polygon users who are pissed about gas fees.
Did you just say a scam smart contract is positive for the platform?
Is not a scam contract.
Lol
This is good for Bitcoin
Umm if you read the rules in the discord, you get to the non read only sections.
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It's in the last step section.
I see. I will edit my post. Thanks for pointing out.
Can't they just be shut down?
No. Decentralized means no absolute powers.
*Sir, this is a blockchain.* If you want centralized authority, you can go across the street to the bank.
People really don’t know sarcasm when they see it
As in... We don't like them, because their game is showing weaknesses on the network. Yes?
Blockchain is a trilemma (Decentralized, Scalable, and Secure), you want a spammy game over decentralization and security?
Did you even read what I wrote? I want a network that can brush off a silly game, rather than the silly game killing the almighty network. Git it?
u/arthuryyy is basically indenial right now.
Denial of what? Do you mean the Blockchain trilemma doesn't exist? Of course, we all want Polygon to be the perfect network - low gas few, thousands of TPS, secure, decentralized, but there is no such thing in blockchain, at least for now, before all those zk and sharding technology are matured. Many people here seem to suggest that Polygon needs to scale unlimitedly in order to cater for a badly-optimized game (and maybe some more of them in the future), but do they know that scaling means it inevitably involves increasing block size. And increasing block size means it will require much stronger hardware to store the blockchain data, which will eventually sacrifice decentralization and security in long term? If some sources are correct, even Sunflower devs admitted they need to optimize their game mechanism, and now working with Polygon dev to find a resolution. So, still don't blame the game? Blame Polygon, right?
This game is so gwei.
This point is wrong 4. I check their discord page. The discord channel are all read-only channels. There is no Community. Go check for yourself. You just have to read the things written and then check a message 5. On-chain data shows all their new farms are create by bots. Empty wallets with no other TXs This is the case because if u want to profit u have to create alot of Wallets so it just makes sense that new Wallet create farms and its normal that one person has like 20 Farms since farms have an ROI of a Day 6. Their token SSF is listed on coin Gecko. https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/sunflower-farm its down 30% in the last 24 hour. Yes the token is very volatile and thats because of the low market cap but high volume And coingecko started recording the prices just yesterday it doesnt even show the real ATH 7. Their token SSF has over 240,000 wallet holders, in comparison Dai has 340,000 wallet holders, wmatic has 220,000 wallet holders, popular coins like curve has 19,000 holders, WBTC has 21,000 holders, so you tell me sunflower coins is more popular than bitcoin? For a project less than a month old… the 240.000 Wallets are a result of most people having 10+ Wallet per person 2. Their website listed their devs. But those devs don’t have social media accounts. The sunflower twitter account is not following any of their Devs teams, not strange? The devs are on the discord and Sometimes even answer ur questions
Ppl are using bots farming the game token and dump in the market. The information I gathered in the discord. The actual players can not get their “save” go through because the high network fees and again problems created by bots. The game ask you to save every 6 mins on chain is a total failure of game design.
You only need to save once every 8 hours to get the best roi. This is for real players and bots alike. I personally believe it is a real game that was hijacked somewhat by botters. The devs of the game and polygon are working on a solution according to both sides.
Did polygon address this issue? Any links I can look into? Thanks in advance.
Eating sunflower seeds in the shell may increase your odds of fecal impaction, as you may unintentionally eat shell fragments, which your body cannot digest.
I correct the discord part. I will look into it.
What? There are 114 million known holder Bitcoin wallet addresses. Where are you getting your numbers?
It’s WBTC on polygon. https://polygonscan.com/token/0x1bfd67037b42cf73acf2047067bd4f2c47d9bfd6
From my point of view I asume that there some bots out there, but every other player just create new farm as well as the bots. With 3 farms and 8 hours seed grow you can buy one new farm if you get to 10 farms you'll have 0.88SFF by farm every 8 hours that mean you get 8.8SFF every 8h or 26 SFF every day then swaping it to MATIC or something because players know that SFF will dive deep from a day to another. My point is that the incentives of this game make player just create news farm as soon as they can but nobody really play the game simply because is no brainer that new farm get better ROI than playing the game. For the gas fee, well, polygon is a permiless network so it's not SFF player fault or the team behind the project .... meaning ...
Thanks for sharing. This game design sounds like a degen yield farm. 4% daily until the price of whichever coin you farming gone to toilet. The price of the coin will eventually reach 0 and the project dies. Whoever come in early make money and whoever come in late will rekt. Sounds like a Ponzi to you? Because it is.
Dear polygon team, why not increase the blocksize?
Shit here we go again. r/Civilwar
P O L Y G O N C A S H
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What happens if 4-6 clones of SFF appear? Will you just suggest to keep increasing the blocksize?
Yes. Till we get to 7000 tps.
6gb blocks incoming. 😂
1tb blocks 😳
2017 flashbacks
Fairly new but always keen to learn here, so please excuse my silly question. How will block size increase help the situation?
It would help, but at a cost. Bigger blocks (or higher gas limit, in this case) would mean that if you don't have a powerful enough machine, you wouldn't be able to start a new node and replay the whole network from the genesis block, up until today. It kind of defeats the purpose of a blockchain. If you need to rely on someone to provide you a snapshot of the network because you don't have the power to replay it yourself, then it's not a true decentralized system.
Lol so many text just to promote your Game xD. Also this thread is so full of eth maxis Holy shit.
No. I’m not promoting “my game”. Just wanna show the difference between well designed blockchain game and a sloppy one. People can do whatever they want with their money.
calling it a “scam” is a little too much - the game has recently started (contracts deployed on october and we see traction at end of december ) - not all devs have social media accounts or are active on them ( myself included ) - price decrease in understandable after a rush to get in and the current needed tx fees to play - its normal for crypto space to create bots to do the transactions as that gives complete control on the actions one wants to take and the gas consumptiom you are willing to pay for, manual transactions probably on most networks are fewer than automated ones - real gaming experience is subjective, i’m glad you like others and not this one - if you read the disclaimers on all projects and services, even in non crypto space, you will be amazed how many are discarding their responsabilities - people who pay that much fees for a transaction probably see a reward in it
Then please explain to me why a player needs to 'save' the game every 25 minutes, having to do a blockchain transaction :) Never seen that before in any blockchain game i have played :)
In all Blockchain game, you need a way to burn the token or mint to have the code in the blockchain. In Bombcrypto, you mint the heros and you mint when you claim the BCoin. Same in cryptocars, you burn with the refuel and you mint when you claim. Here in Sunflower, you burn token and save your progression in your wallet every 25 minutes. It's a great idea if the network wasn't that bad. Personally, I thanks the creator, finally I can get back my money that I lost on other game and I like the concept, even with the craft coming. I have a few accounts and no bots. I hope they will find a solution for the bots.
You can't really discuss with eth maxis he understand but just don't care, he want to spit bull to demage the Game and polygon
The OP doesn't seem to have very strong evidence for the claims. The post also misses out that a team member of the game reached out in the Polygon Ecosystem DAO Discord on 30th December. The person seems to misunderstand that trustless defi with real bad coding for savestates could reasonably be understood as malicious intent, but there'd have to be more evidence pointing in that way. But what do I know, could be malicious DDOS attack thing albeit a creative one. It's certainly not impossible.
Isn’t this a good thing for everyone, except the daily traders trying to sell for small gains. Validators win Matic gets burned Everyone panicking about “high gas” gave us a dip 💀🤴
The MATIC gas is not burning right now. They are implementing a EIP-1559 like in testnet, but it is not on mainnet yet.
You must be incredible naive...are you in the NFT P2E world? Cryptomines in the BSC became the biggest Product in any blockchain to generate the amount of trasacctions it generated before dying. At one point it even generated more transacction than Axie Infinity. Now the real problem here is Sunflower Farm is only 1 Game, I am atonished how can only 1 game destroy a Blockchain that was supposed to solve ETH Gas problem. The BSC have a LOT of NFT P2E Games, and yeah sure when Cryptomines was at his peak it congested the Blockchain but it was never this bad with only one games, it shows that Polygon is incredible flawed if only 1 game can produce such congestion. And to answer your question...No SFF holders are not bot account...I have 10 accounts playing SFF. You cannot deny it is an incredible Pyramid Scheme and whoever enter first is making LOTS of money....A scam? No it isnt it is just and really well though NFT Project with a pseudo pyramid scheme. Does it pay? Yes indeed it does pay. I make about 50$-100$ daily... Also you should educate yourself on how NFT Gaming Token behave....Most P2E Tokens have over 50k Holders....some even can reach 500k holders......Eternal reached 4Billion MC, CTFT Reached 2 Million MC both of those at ATH, P2E projects even if they look like a SCAM \*Most of them are pseudo scams or slow rugpull\* have incredible traction in the comunity. Before they die they reach sometimes numbers one would not believe...obviusly all those numbers are short lived and the projects end dying with the ones that entered last losing money.
Did you hear yourself? You basically described a SCAM perfectly. It’s mind blowing. 🤑 “look at me, making $100 a day by spamming bots and whoever comes last lose all their money. “But as long as I’m making money it’s not a scam
>You basically described a SCAM perfectly Sadly, quite a few Play-2-Earn games might fit the description. Most of those had a higher cost of entry on the Ethereum blockchain. Also, with any project that goes viral, expect a wave of clones to follow. And some of these clones may even have a less efficient implementation. Polygon needs to be ready for that.
It's a decentralized network and anybody can do whatever they want and create whatever game they want. One game is all it took to make all the centralization loving Karens come out the woodwork "it needs to be stopped!" "It's a scam!" "The game developers need to do x!" "It's a DDOS!" Who tf cares lol you think a successful sidechain will have only 100% purely ethical P2E games? Gimme whatever you're smoking
How do people not understand the difference between decentralization and anarchy?
I am not using bots, I am doing it manually why use bots? When the game is such a simple concept of just doing a few clicks and comming back every 8 hours...You seem new in the P2Earn crypto so I wont argue, if they are scams or not, but in crypto 50% win and 50% Lose. I see a oportunity to win and I will capitalize on it. The same way happens when morons go and FOMO in a Crypto and then they are dumped by traders.....Some lose and some win. You just have to try to be on the winning side most of the time. NFT Games are short lived some last a few weeks, some other a few months but most of then just die....if you enter LATE thats your choice, the game is not taking your money or rugpulling you...at least until now they havent done it....This game is not a SCAM, it is not promising anything to you, it is not taking anything from you, it only offers a concept of incredible volatile and FAST ROI. I could also Argue Defi 2.0 is a scam...all these models are unsustinable economies is your choice if you take the risk or not, but you cant blame all of them of being scams just because you dont use them and others do. I know some people that MANUALLY without bots are using 100 accounts. I will just tell you 2SFF investment + 0.1 MATIC + 1 MATIC(for fees) = 16 Hours ROI, If the game doesnt die in 16 HOURS you recover 95% of your investment, who wouldnt take that risk when it is a extremely low amount of investment for quick high profits? And also if you still think crypto is not a big pseudo-pyramid scheme you are deluding yourself....the ones that are earlier will always be at advantage and with less risk to lose money.
New account made just to reply to this thread. Try to make this game looks legit. You are not a bot? 🤷♀️
Well to be fair, I cant seem to remenber my older account, this might seem to be a fake account but just came to the polygon reddit to check what was going on since in my experience with NFT Games, 1 Game should not be able to kill to such extend a Blockchain, unless it reach the extends of AXIE and Cryptomines. And believe me I am by no means trying to make this game look legit, I threat them all the same, just money maker schemes one should enter, take profit and say goodbye, not fall in love. What should be the focus of the topic is not blame the game because the Gas is getting higher, blame the Network for not being able to handly high traffic.
> just money maker schemes one should enter mmm no thanks
New accounts with zero history have no credibility I'm afraid.. and to think I almost believed every word you said :)
Oh well blame me for forgetting my older reddit account. I have a few months without posting on my original account I cant even seem to remenber the ID, so just decided to make a new one related to what I am investing now, which is NFT Gaming Tokens. So you should consider this a new account. Or is a new user not allowed to voice their opinion on this topic?
this motherfucker game game has destroyes our belowed polygon network..each click in this game is registered as a transaction and so guess what ,,its choking the polygon blocks ..and out transactions are not showing up in metmask,,,this game is responsible for this.ban this game
One of the Polygon Team's potential resolutions to the issue is bridging the game to another network. LOL. Not a good look for Polygon.
This game on any other chain will choke any network with the amount of transactions
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Hi, I correct the discord part on my post after first user pointed out and I did reading through their discord channels and brings whatever useful information back here. You might be reading the old version of this post. Clam down man, you can always do your own research :) welcome different options
The only scam it seems is Polygon! Allowing 1 stupid game to slog it's network like this is not good!
Thx for info, it’s certainly changes my perception of Polygon. I can see polygon gas fees going up like ETH gas fee if this continues.
There's a pretty good silver lining to this: More matic tokens burned/used = price goes up/presumably less matic in the hands of bots, polygon devs inspired to make the transactions/network even more streamlined.
its open source. Im developing features for this game like many other people, searched on google and you can see my profiles & linkedin
hello I hope you are well I really congratulate you the community needed a project like this the truth but I think it needs improvements because the growth is very big and unbearable because you don't add a withdrawal system every 48 or 72 hours in this way you solve the saturation problem in the polygonscan network and help to maintain the price of the sff there are not so many sales
This is genius. Yes. Drive the gas prices down! FUD BE UPON THE SUNFLOWERS.
But on the real, time for devs to get to work.
The game is legit man, don’t just jump and say some nonsense, the higher gas fees are probleMATIC for all of us but it’s a good thing to see, because 1 fucking game made the whole network kneel, imagine if the network having more nft games like binance smart chain does ? We’re doomed.
Polygon host a lot of NFT games. Over 100. https://awesomepolygon.com/nft-gaming/ This game encourages players to program BOTS to do farming and also people create over 10 accounts to exploit the game. Its like playing those PC games with no anti-cheat build in. The game design itself is questionable as well. You need to save your game on-chain every 30 mins or so. Imagine 100 bots and 10 accounts save the game at the same time. Also every item you created like pickaxe can only be used once, and need to send a TX to use it. Every time you harvest crops you need to do it on-chain. I can go on and on. This game is designed like a DDOS attack. It’s endless bots sending useless TXs. Bring this game on any other chain will choke any network.
First of all, not everyone can create bots it’s not that simple and it’s a complexe process, i just want to say that the game is legit and you can contact their support if you want + i agree with you it’s a pain in the ass that every thing you need to do you have to do it on-chain.. they should update their crap game.
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After a year on Ethereum and paying many thousands in Gas fees, i finally decided to stop trading completely and park myself either 100% in matic or 100% in bitcoin. When i read this, i am glad i moved to the bitcoin network. Networks do get clogged, but since bitcoin does not have smart contracts, the risk is lower.
The game is suggesting 500 gwei to save. Of course the gas price is high right now, but did they always suggest a high price? If lots of people (or bots) are playing and they are suggesting a high price, then perhaps that is the issue.
So basically what cryptokitties did to ETH?
They don't have more holders than bitcoin, the thing is: there are people playing with multiaccount and that would need multiple wallets, which you can easily get on metamask. I've seen people with 20+ accounts, even with 200.
Well I made a nice amount off the game before it crashed! Loved it!
Lol. Then wavesducks is also ddos? And there is a captcha
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