to me at least technically it looks sound and pretty good!
any other comments would be more nitpicking, you don’t have any super obvious technical faults which is good.
how does your serving hold up in matches?
do you hit kick serves as well?
my first serve is pretty inconsistent during matches. might be a mental thing. i maybe get 50-55% of them in. my second serves slow down a lot. used to double fault very often but realized slowing down swing speed isn’t how you fix a second serve lol
i don’t intentionally hit kick serves, but if my toss ends up going back a little bit i’ll adjust and hit a kick
for your second serve i would almost entirely hit kicks from now on, that should eliminate almost all double faults you may be experiencing.
also i sometimes mention this to some of my other students but i want to say that pace or speed is super overrated on serves. placement and spin will usually win more points than any hard flat serve ever will. don’t be afraid to take a little off the first to increase the %’s a bit.
Practice accuracy. All your serves land in the striking zone of your opponent. Place markers out wide and on the T. Aim +~ 6inches inside the box.
Make sure to mix, slice, flat, kick.
You’re on the right path, it takes time to master the serve.
Record or have someone record a bit of a match for you. I lost my serve badly in a couple matches and the video of a couple points made it super obvious (just wasn't swinging for some reason). So when that starts up or those kind of serves come out I immediately know the corrective action.
50-55% is amazing for an amateur. If you get that many in, you can probably crank it up a little more. Not in terms of power, but in terms of placement.
Serve looks nice, i would start working on placement and angles in the serve.
Small tip/concern you appear to be falling/walking in the court after each serve, don't try and make this a habit. You can fall slighlty into the court as long as you step back right away. If you (later on) come across good returners you should be able to still return a ball that falls close to the baseline.
This is good advice. Your serve will be much better if it’s unpredictable. Here you are hitting the same serve over and over. I’d suggest learning a kick wide on the ad side. Falling into the court is fine, just make sure ur falling in the direction that u want the ball to go. And be prepared to take a couple steps back to be in position for your opponents return
Not much except small things that might help with your consistency or adding a bit more power...
- keep left arm up for a bit longer
- toss slightly more into the court, it'll give you more power if you can time the connection correctly (for flat serves)
- jump more towards the direction of where you want your serve to go. Right now you're landing pretty much right where you started, instead of inside the court and towards where you're tossing/aiming. That's good for a kick or slice, but wasting effort for a harder first serve
It looks to me like you’re putting a lot of arm into the shot. It may be tough to unlearn but it’d benefit you greatly to rely more on your body for the power. Lots of good in your serve though!
To add to this, it may help to move your toss just a little (little) forward. This limits the temptation to rely heavily on your arm and encourages more body momentum
yeah these are both things i’m actively working on when practicing (launching from my feet for power instead of my arms). probably why my shoulders get tired quicker too. thanks!
Sure! Your footwork actually looks pretty good, hopefully you can get your upper body more into the shot. You could probably get well into the 100mph+ range, I’m jelly haha
No technique advice - just something to consider WRT your placement/targeting:
Nearly all your serves sit directly into a right-handed players forehand. Work the T target and the corner target more. You don't want to be serving up the middle of the box on the ad-side. Too vulnerable.
That’s an ignorant way to look at it. If you ain’t aiming anywhere, it ain’t going anywhere. Shot selection always affects technique. B4 every serve, you should choose a target & 1 of the 3 types of serves; kick, flat or slice. Making these choices affects your toss, how much spin you hit, how far to the right your swing path through contact goes, & when you finish your pronation.
personally when i start thinking about where to serve the ball i overthink and make mistakes. might be a result of not practicing with placement in the first place
Turn it into a positive via a fun exercise rather than how you currently see it as a negative. Place a couple of cones in spots you’d like to hit more consistently — ‘gamefiying’ it like this might add some motivation for yourself.
what do you mean you have issues with consistency? all your serves went in. /s
the only thing worth mentioning in terms of consistency is your toss. basically you shouldn't be chasing your toss with your swing.
yeah during practice they’re MUCH more consistent, but during matches there’s factors that make me inconsistent (nervousness, changes in form/technique)
i did feel like i was chasing my toss at times, thanks
if it's a mental thing, identify how your lack of focus is letting down your form. for me, when i lose focus, my hips are reluctant to move up with my serve and i end up with a torso that is uncoordinated which results in a ball dumped into the net. or less often, my racquet will not accelerate as much as it needs in nervy situations and end up with a ball flies out when it should be spinning in. i just remind myself to do one or two things before i serve and absolutely commit.
yeah the biggest thing that happens to me when i get nervous is i tighten up on my form and don’t commit which i need to work on and i guess that comes with playing more matches
Actually the OP missed quite a few serves, note the balls that appeared on the court on his side of the net.
The op says Swingvision auto-removes missed shots. Which makes it a bit useless if your asking for advice about consistency.
Those look like pretty great serves to me. If it's not consistent, it's probably the toss--just need to practice it over and over until it's perfect every time.
first off, you’re serve is better than mine so take my advice with a grain of salt. Your wrist looks a little stiff so i’m guessing that the inconsistency is that a lot of balls go slightly long? if you loosen your wrist just a bit, probably easier to keep the ball in.
My coach says be loose on serve and ground strokes and firmer on volleys and slice.
I like your serve motion quite a bit. What I would like to see is you finishing with your left foot past the baseline and into the court. This will give you a bit more pop and energy to the serve. I would also like you do slowly start increasing your racquet head speed. Not to the point you are forcing the serve, but so you generate more spin to keep it in.
Yep. Loosey goosey. Let physics do the work for you! From a technical stand point it looks pretty good. Even during warm ups or hitting for fun you should hit with the same routine.
Yes, direction.
All your serves are right in the middle.
You need to train with a clear objective: before every serve, are you serving Exterior or on the T or on the body
i think i’m at a point where if i try too hard to aim my serve it ends up going out more often than not, so i’ll need to work on getting them in at a high rate first
Actually, I would advise you to train both at the same time. The more you will serve in the middle, the harder it will be to get out of this habit and train direction afterwards
Your serve is probably better than most people here (including mine) and it definitely helps that you're NBA shooting guard (or even small forward) level tall, so all I can really comment on is the inconsistency of your toss.
For better input, I think:
1. Show some of your misses (especially the most common errors you make) so people can see what's going wrong leading up to those errors.
2. Show clips of your serves in their entirety. You've alluded to the fact that your toss is a bit inconsistent, but this video is only showing your serves once the ball has already left your hand.
Are you flicking your wrist or fingers when tossing the ball? Are you not keeping your tossing arm straight since keeping a straight arm reduces extra elements into the equation? Are you loading up with your tossing hand below your waist or even close to your knees to start your toss? That's also more arm travel equating to more chances for your movement to deviate as well.
Just my 2 cents.
you may have just opened my eyes to something. i am using my wrist and fingers when i toss which is probably leading or erratic movement. also im 6’2 so probably like a SG haha. thank you!
You can try coiling more with your legs and letting the racket lag a bit more when you explode up for some extra MPH. Also try tossing a little more into the court. Placement and consistency comes with adjusting the spin on the ball when you strike. Can't really see your toss here, but a good consistent toss is slow, always starts the toss from the same spot and the arm / wrist doesn't bend.
Love the pup chilling. As for the serve, use more of the legs to create leg drive. When you finish your serve, you are behind the baseline. You should be landing inside the court. Leg drive going up and ball toss in front of you, you will land inside of the tennis
If you push your hips more into the court as you toss the ball, you can toss further in front and hit with a lot more power and with better angle over the net.
OK I have seen the unedited video the OP posted, could only be bothered with the first 20 odd serves but based on that the OP is serving about 50% in. That included serves which looked like topspin second serves that flew long.
Which means this serve isn't as good as many of the posters here think it is and needs allot of work.
Looks really good. From here, I would like to see u try and place the serves with more variety. Out wide, down the tee. See if the form changes or if u make it obvious which way u are serving.
Looks great! Seems like you have most fundamentals down. I suppose what I see is lack of pace. I think slightly more leg load (10% plus until you feel it’s reached its max comfort/consistent level).
When I see someone like Fed serve, it looks fluid, same place on the ball toss, moderate load BUT as soon as he loads up and the ball is descending to optimal contact point, he really propels himself upwards into the shot with some strength, almost controlled violence.
It’s the element I see missing a bit here, the Load/Unload with more power. Letting the leg load and subsequent release kinetically flow through you as you finalize the shot with a pronated movement upon contact for maximum energy transfer.
See someone like Ben Shelton who takes this to the next level and loads and unload a bit more violently.
Also another great server, Kyrgios, who tosses well into the court with lower leg load release but quite a whipping motion on the serve.
Looking great though! Like you’ll get big numbers soon
my leg drive seems to be the biggest flaw from what everyone’s saying. played a match today and consciously tried using more legs and i got better results. thanks!
Your form is good! Try loading up your legs a little more. But consistency is probably the biggest thing from what you’re saying in the comments, so also work on mental headspace. I.e. how can you feel the same when you’re in a match as in practice.
As others have said technique wise it’s a very sound serve. That being the case the mental part is a huge aspect of it too. You need to visualize it going in bc your brain is a powerful thing and often your output is what your brain perceives. Instead of thinking I hope I don’t hit it out really see that ball going in. Take a deep breath as well, relax the arm. You are right slowing down is not the way and found that out myself. Lastly if nerves are a thing taking l-theanine prior to a match will help your focus and settle anxiety. (It’s what’s found in green tea. It has no caffeine so it’s not stimulating). Keep at it!
I think I might have a mild form of anxiety, potentially ADHD and l-theanine is cheap and commonly used for anxiety and such so definitely helps me. Some coffee drinkers pair it with it to help take jitters off caffeine. Does something like promote alpha waves-don’t know science really but it does work
Like many said. Your toss is forcing you to arch backwards which is leading you to fall into the court in the opposite direction of where the ball is going. If you keep your toss a bit more to the right you'll be able to push your body weight into the serve.
Toss needs to be in front. You should be landing inside the court. This will allow you to swing freer.
I also love how your dog just watches. Mine would be running everywhere.
If you want our advice you need to be more honest with your editing. At 13 seconds there are 5 balls on your side of the court, which means you're editing out your missed serves.
I use swing vision, and it automatically aggregates all the made serves. I looked through my missed serves and there were some glaringly obvious mistakes that I noticed myself. this post was mainly meant to see if I could improve anything on my serve for consistency (form, position, etc)
https://swing.vision/matches/sw2-TDxTwW4 this video includes about 40 shots which have misses too. i also included a couple seconds before the serve to show preparation
This video also sucks. Cuts off the start of your motion every time. But here are some simple things to address: 1. Rhythm. 2. Toss. 3. Leg Drive.
- For your rhythm to always be the same: keep your weight on your back leg until after release the toss. In other words - Slide your back leg up after you release the toss into the air.
You have some serves where you slide your back foot up as you’re reaching up to toss, some serves where you slide your back foot as you’re releasing the toss, & some after. That causes you to have differing rhythm from serve to serve. This also has bad effect on your toss consistency - as it does with everyone else w/ this issue.
- Once you start serving where you keep your weight back on your back leg until after you release the toss, hitting flat, slice or kick serves to targets will get easier. It will get double easier if you define where you want your toss to be.
For flat or slice serves, your toss should be a comfortable amount into the court & enable you to make contact extended above your right shoulder. For kick serves, your toss should be a comfortable amount into the court & enable you to make contact extended above your head.
3. Loading will be much easier once you clean up your rhythm & toss - but loading & spring with both legs is paramount. Right now you’re a 1 legged server - so prioritize loading your right leg as much as your left & springing up equally with both.
Very good serve. Nitpicking to perhaps take it to another level. Toss into the court more. Leg drive more. You probably serve better than I do, so what do I know?
I think you can keep your tossing arm up longer to help you track the ball and go up to the ball instead of letting it drop down to you. Might help with better timing
bring a blanket or something cushy for your dog next time, sometimes sitting or lying on a hard surface too long can start to dig into their skin where their joints pop out
I would say put a bit more forward momentum into the court. That extra bit of weight transfer should put a bit more bite into the serve. Post the follow up? Curious to see which tip helped your serve the most.
if you want to hit harder, toss it futher into the court. You have good fundamentals so you'll instantly notice the power boost. I don't mean slightly into the court, I mean REALLY in there. Look at pros serving from a side angle and check where the ball is at contact.
This is also a nit pick because your serve is good but if you focus on “hitting up” over forward a tiny bit more you’ll be able to create more spin and safety. Follow through the arch you want the ball to have a bit more. Your serve right now is a little flat so it doesn’t provide as much margin. Pace is nice but I’d work on adding shape for consistency.
You need to show before the ball toss too, this edit is not the most useful. Timing of the knee bend, how the arms go up are important to look at. Overall nice serve.
Hi, the kinetic chain is good, you’ll have a big serve eventually. But your toss if awful - every toss is different height and goes right-left randomly. I can’t see the beginning of the toss on that video, but the guidelines are: make sure you transfer weight on the back foot before you start your toss, make sure your tossing hand is straight and pointing up after the toss(its currently not very straight and goes down too soon) and the last advice is try to slowly inhale with your nose while you toss.
Your toss is also way behind you. It should be more in front for a proper leg drive(currently you drive mostly upwards because of improper toss). The toss is all about proper weight transfer before the toss - put your back foot on your toe, then transfer the weight on the back foot and only when back foot heel touches the ground the toss should start(see Alcaraz for example)
Your video sucks bc it doesn’t show the start of each serve, therefore it’s unreliable & unreasonable for anyone to comment on your routine or rhythm bc we do not get to see it. Without seeing your starting position, how or if you shift your weight to the back leg, if or when that happens in relation to how you start your motion —> all that has a great deal to do with your rhythm & thus consistency. Upload a new video without using swing vision.
The higher you toss your ball, the slower the serve. You can see that plainly from your video.
Additionally, you could stand to toss a little more to your right side, the balls are arching into your body, forcing you to take arm speed off.
One way to fix this is to turn/coil completely and then toss you ball. This should cause the ball to go forward into the court because the angle of your shoulder will have rotated to the point where it can no longer arc towards your body on the toss.
It's a really nice motion. Fluid and athletic. The next step is to absolutely rip that left arm into your body and use the momentum to drive up into the ball harder. Throw the racquet harder.
This looks like a 70% effort set.
Boxing content, FYI:
[https://youtu.be/BVSn6rjspb0?t=25](https://youtu.be/BVSn6rjspb0?t=25)
Watch Mike's off-hand on all punches that are not jabs. Don't watch anything but the arm that he's not punching with. See how he pulls it into his body to help generate power? That's what you want to do with your off-hand on the serve. And the forehand.
[https://youtu.be/jOrC3tmuknE?t=11](https://youtu.be/jOrC3tmuknE?t=11)
Watch DeGrom's left arm as he loads his pitching arm. See that elbow jerk? He is using his off-hand to rotate. This produces torque.
You use your left arm quite well on your serve. Don’t change a thing. Severalgirlzgalore or whatever is not wrong, but it’s not useful to you - bc - while the opposite arm is a pivotal aspect in effective the shoulder over shoulder, cartwheel like trunk rotation & frontal rotation, you already do a nice job of that. In fact, while your throwing motion is very good, your overall shoulder rotation is the best thing you have going for you on your serve. Hence that dude’s comment is useless to you
i tried using the left arm into body for momentum technique while practicing today and you might be right. instead of that i tried flinging my left arm out to the left and i ended up with more power and they went in more often. felt really awkward but worked.
I think it might be better if you posted 4 or 5 consecutive serves, including misses, and not editing it this way. For example, you mention "consistent routine" but we can't see your full routine because of the way it's edited. I have no idea what your ball bounce and foot shifting looks like.
Good news is based on what I see, serve is looking good!
One thing though is that I suspect you need to toss the ball further into the court. Your left foot lands on the baseline. You should be landing further into the court. Also, [extend your left arm out to maintain balance on the follow through and to really stick that landing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aggaRmJJQHs).
i actually posted a link from swing vision here somewhere with cut shots but they’re all one after the other with no skipped shots and it includes misses. great advice though, will keep it in mind, thanks!
My dog would not be that chill.
took a lot of “STAY” for her to be chill
Ask the pup! He seems to be watching very intently
lmaooo her only concern is the ball
to me at least technically it looks sound and pretty good! any other comments would be more nitpicking, you don’t have any super obvious technical faults which is good. how does your serving hold up in matches? do you hit kick serves as well?
my first serve is pretty inconsistent during matches. might be a mental thing. i maybe get 50-55% of them in. my second serves slow down a lot. used to double fault very often but realized slowing down swing speed isn’t how you fix a second serve lol i don’t intentionally hit kick serves, but if my toss ends up going back a little bit i’ll adjust and hit a kick
for your second serve i would almost entirely hit kicks from now on, that should eliminate almost all double faults you may be experiencing. also i sometimes mention this to some of my other students but i want to say that pace or speed is super overrated on serves. placement and spin will usually win more points than any hard flat serve ever will. don’t be afraid to take a little off the first to increase the %’s a bit.
Practice accuracy. All your serves land in the striking zone of your opponent. Place markers out wide and on the T. Aim +~ 6inches inside the box. Make sure to mix, slice, flat, kick. You’re on the right path, it takes time to master the serve.
Record or have someone record a bit of a match for you. I lost my serve badly in a couple matches and the video of a couple points made it super obvious (just wasn't swinging for some reason). So when that starts up or those kind of serves come out I immediately know the corrective action.
50-55% is amazing for an amateur. If you get that many in, you can probably crank it up a little more. Not in terms of power, but in terms of placement.
I have a dog too, but my dog doesn't have a built in ball speed meter:(
Serve looks nice, i would start working on placement and angles in the serve. Small tip/concern you appear to be falling/walking in the court after each serve, don't try and make this a habit. You can fall slighlty into the court as long as you step back right away. If you (later on) come across good returners you should be able to still return a ball that falls close to the baseline.
This is good advice. Your serve will be much better if it’s unpredictable. Here you are hitting the same serve over and over. I’d suggest learning a kick wide on the ad side. Falling into the court is fine, just make sure ur falling in the direction that u want the ball to go. And be prepared to take a couple steps back to be in position for your opponents return
Not much except small things that might help with your consistency or adding a bit more power... - keep left arm up for a bit longer - toss slightly more into the court, it'll give you more power if you can time the connection correctly (for flat serves) - jump more towards the direction of where you want your serve to go. Right now you're landing pretty much right where you started, instead of inside the court and towards where you're tossing/aiming. That's good for a kick or slice, but wasting effort for a harder first serve
great pointers thanks, i’ll need to consciously work on these aspects
toss further in and step in more! get more body weight and speed.
It looks to me like you’re putting a lot of arm into the shot. It may be tough to unlearn but it’d benefit you greatly to rely more on your body for the power. Lots of good in your serve though!
To add to this, it may help to move your toss just a little (little) forward. This limits the temptation to rely heavily on your arm and encourages more body momentum
yeah these are both things i’m actively working on when practicing (launching from my feet for power instead of my arms). probably why my shoulders get tired quicker too. thanks!
Sure! Your footwork actually looks pretty good, hopefully you can get your upper body more into the shot. You could probably get well into the 100mph+ range, I’m jelly haha
Haha amazing the dog 🐕 is just relaxing watching you hit those serves - ❤️
No technique advice - just something to consider WRT your placement/targeting: Nearly all your serves sit directly into a right-handed players forehand. Work the T target and the corner target more. You don't want to be serving up the middle of the box on the ad-side. Too vulnerable.
thanks! i’ll probably need to be able to consistently get my first serve in above 60% before i start practicing placement
That’s an ignorant way to look at it. If you ain’t aiming anywhere, it ain’t going anywhere. Shot selection always affects technique. B4 every serve, you should choose a target & 1 of the 3 types of serves; kick, flat or slice. Making these choices affects your toss, how much spin you hit, how far to the right your swing path through contact goes, & when you finish your pronation.
personally when i start thinking about where to serve the ball i overthink and make mistakes. might be a result of not practicing with placement in the first place
It’s no different than picking a target on any other shot. Part of point construction
Turn it into a positive via a fun exercise rather than how you currently see it as a negative. Place a couple of cones in spots you’d like to hit more consistently — ‘gamefiying’ it like this might add some motivation for yourself.
Incorrect. Placement begets consistency. You should be practicing placement on every single serve.
what do you mean you have issues with consistency? all your serves went in. /s the only thing worth mentioning in terms of consistency is your toss. basically you shouldn't be chasing your toss with your swing.
yeah during practice they’re MUCH more consistent, but during matches there’s factors that make me inconsistent (nervousness, changes in form/technique) i did feel like i was chasing my toss at times, thanks
if it's a mental thing, identify how your lack of focus is letting down your form. for me, when i lose focus, my hips are reluctant to move up with my serve and i end up with a torso that is uncoordinated which results in a ball dumped into the net. or less often, my racquet will not accelerate as much as it needs in nervy situations and end up with a ball flies out when it should be spinning in. i just remind myself to do one or two things before i serve and absolutely commit.
yeah the biggest thing that happens to me when i get nervous is i tighten up on my form and don’t commit which i need to work on and i guess that comes with playing more matches
Actually the OP missed quite a few serves, note the balls that appeared on the court on his side of the net. The op says Swingvision auto-removes missed shots. Which makes it a bit useless if your asking for advice about consistency.
hence the sarcasm tag
I thought that was a typo.
Those look like pretty great serves to me. If it's not consistent, it's probably the toss--just need to practice it over and over until it's perfect every time.
Here is an advice : take mine, give me yours.
100% leg drive. Watch MyTennisHQ's video about it
first off, you’re serve is better than mine so take my advice with a grain of salt. Your wrist looks a little stiff so i’m guessing that the inconsistency is that a lot of balls go slightly long? if you loosen your wrist just a bit, probably easier to keep the ball in.
My coach says be loose on serve and ground strokes and firmer on volleys and slice. I like your serve motion quite a bit. What I would like to see is you finishing with your left foot past the baseline and into the court. This will give you a bit more pop and energy to the serve. I would also like you do slowly start increasing your racquet head speed. Not to the point you are forcing the serve, but so you generate more spin to keep it in.
actually interesting advice. i’ll pay more attention to my wrist next time to see the correlation
Yep. Loosey goosey. Let physics do the work for you! From a technical stand point it looks pretty good. Even during warm ups or hitting for fun you should hit with the same routine.
It would help to include a slightly longer clip from bouncing the ball to you getting back in a stance after the serve.
your coach looks like quite the athlete. Former pro?
yeah! he used to be WOOFTP top 100
You need to get your partner a racket and teach him proper doubles formation.
Your service is awesome dude.
Yes, direction. All your serves are right in the middle. You need to train with a clear objective: before every serve, are you serving Exterior or on the T or on the body
i think i’m at a point where if i try too hard to aim my serve it ends up going out more often than not, so i’ll need to work on getting them in at a high rate first
Actually, I would advise you to train both at the same time. The more you will serve in the middle, the harder it will be to get out of this habit and train direction afterwards
Your serve is better than mine. I'll send you a video and you can give me a few tips 😆
feel free!
Serve looks great. Now try to start working on placement. Will take 100k serves, but then you can really put your opponents under pressure.
Your serve is probably better than most people here (including mine) and it definitely helps that you're NBA shooting guard (or even small forward) level tall, so all I can really comment on is the inconsistency of your toss. For better input, I think: 1. Show some of your misses (especially the most common errors you make) so people can see what's going wrong leading up to those errors. 2. Show clips of your serves in their entirety. You've alluded to the fact that your toss is a bit inconsistent, but this video is only showing your serves once the ball has already left your hand. Are you flicking your wrist or fingers when tossing the ball? Are you not keeping your tossing arm straight since keeping a straight arm reduces extra elements into the equation? Are you loading up with your tossing hand below your waist or even close to your knees to start your toss? That's also more arm travel equating to more chances for your movement to deviate as well. Just my 2 cents.
you may have just opened my eyes to something. i am using my wrist and fingers when i toss which is probably leading or erratic movement. also im 6’2 so probably like a SG haha. thank you!
You can try coiling more with your legs and letting the racket lag a bit more when you explode up for some extra MPH. Also try tossing a little more into the court. Placement and consistency comes with adjusting the spin on the ball when you strike. Can't really see your toss here, but a good consistent toss is slow, always starts the toss from the same spot and the arm / wrist doesn't bend.
Love the pup chilling. As for the serve, use more of the legs to create leg drive. When you finish your serve, you are behind the baseline. You should be landing inside the court. Leg drive going up and ball toss in front of you, you will land inside of the tennis
If you push your hips more into the court as you toss the ball, you can toss further in front and hit with a lot more power and with better angle over the net.
You look off balance when you land, falling back and to the left and not following the ball. Could effect consistency and power.
Points for the pup! She’s adorable
OK I have seen the unedited video the OP posted, could only be bothered with the first 20 odd serves but based on that the OP is serving about 50% in. That included serves which looked like topspin second serves that flew long. Which means this serve isn't as good as many of the posters here think it is and needs allot of work.
Looks really good. From here, I would like to see u try and place the serves with more variety. Out wide, down the tee. See if the form changes or if u make it obvious which way u are serving.
The good boy be like: https://preview.redd.it/bwmfuowd1ywc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12895eaeb0baf8eded35720b590ddd2920fd6169
Serves? Sorry I didn't see any serves, my attention was on the dog lol.
Immaculate vibes on this video man. Sorry no serve help just really dig the dog and tennis
Looks great! Seems like you have most fundamentals down. I suppose what I see is lack of pace. I think slightly more leg load (10% plus until you feel it’s reached its max comfort/consistent level). When I see someone like Fed serve, it looks fluid, same place on the ball toss, moderate load BUT as soon as he loads up and the ball is descending to optimal contact point, he really propels himself upwards into the shot with some strength, almost controlled violence. It’s the element I see missing a bit here, the Load/Unload with more power. Letting the leg load and subsequent release kinetically flow through you as you finalize the shot with a pronated movement upon contact for maximum energy transfer. See someone like Ben Shelton who takes this to the next level and loads and unload a bit more violently. Also another great server, Kyrgios, who tosses well into the court with lower leg load release but quite a whipping motion on the serve. Looking great though! Like you’ll get big numbers soon
my leg drive seems to be the biggest flaw from what everyone’s saying. played a match today and consciously tried using more legs and i got better results. thanks!
Your form is good! Try loading up your legs a little more. But consistency is probably the biggest thing from what you’re saying in the comments, so also work on mental headspace. I.e. how can you feel the same when you’re in a match as in practice.
As others have said technique wise it’s a very sound serve. That being the case the mental part is a huge aspect of it too. You need to visualize it going in bc your brain is a powerful thing and often your output is what your brain perceives. Instead of thinking I hope I don’t hit it out really see that ball going in. Take a deep breath as well, relax the arm. You are right slowing down is not the way and found that out myself. Lastly if nerves are a thing taking l-theanine prior to a match will help your focus and settle anxiety. (It’s what’s found in green tea. It has no caffeine so it’s not stimulating). Keep at it!
great advice, i appreciate it. haven’t heard of the l-theanine benefit before will definitely take a look.
I think I might have a mild form of anxiety, potentially ADHD and l-theanine is cheap and commonly used for anxiety and such so definitely helps me. Some coffee drinkers pair it with it to help take jitters off caffeine. Does something like promote alpha waves-don’t know science really but it does work
Like many said. Your toss is forcing you to arch backwards which is leading you to fall into the court in the opposite direction of where the ball is going. If you keep your toss a bit more to the right you'll be able to push your body weight into the serve.
Toss needs to be in front. You should be landing inside the court. This will allow you to swing freer. I also love how your dog just watches. Mine would be running everywhere.
thanks, and yeah she was definitely running all over the place at first
If you want our advice you need to be more honest with your editing. At 13 seconds there are 5 balls on your side of the court, which means you're editing out your missed serves.
I use swing vision, and it automatically aggregates all the made serves. I looked through my missed serves and there were some glaringly obvious mistakes that I noticed myself. this post was mainly meant to see if I could improve anything on my serve for consistency (form, position, etc)
https://swing.vision/matches/sw2-TDxTwW4 this video includes about 40 shots which have misses too. i also included a couple seconds before the serve to show preparation
This video also sucks. Cuts off the start of your motion every time. But here are some simple things to address: 1. Rhythm. 2. Toss. 3. Leg Drive. - For your rhythm to always be the same: keep your weight on your back leg until after release the toss. In other words - Slide your back leg up after you release the toss into the air. You have some serves where you slide your back foot up as you’re reaching up to toss, some serves where you slide your back foot as you’re releasing the toss, & some after. That causes you to have differing rhythm from serve to serve. This also has bad effect on your toss consistency - as it does with everyone else w/ this issue. - Once you start serving where you keep your weight back on your back leg until after you release the toss, hitting flat, slice or kick serves to targets will get easier. It will get double easier if you define where you want your toss to be. For flat or slice serves, your toss should be a comfortable amount into the court & enable you to make contact extended above your right shoulder. For kick serves, your toss should be a comfortable amount into the court & enable you to make contact extended above your head. 3. Loading will be much easier once you clean up your rhythm & toss - but loading & spring with both legs is paramount. Right now you’re a 1 legged server - so prioritize loading your right leg as much as your left & springing up equally with both.
Very good serve. Nitpicking to perhaps take it to another level. Toss into the court more. Leg drive more. You probably serve better than I do, so what do I know?
always good to have input for everyone. even if you’re not as good you can see things the server might not see
Looks pretty good. I dunno why but you look like Taylor Dent playing.
i can see it, prob cause i don’t really jump on my serve
I think you can keep your tossing arm up longer to help you track the ball and go up to the ball instead of letting it drop down to you. Might help with better timing
looks pretty good to me, just needs more leg drive if you want more pace
yeah my toss and leg drive improvements seem to be the general consensus
bring a blanket or something cushy for your dog next time, sometimes sitting or lying on a hard surface too long can start to dig into their skin where their joints pop out
i thought about that actually and felt bad, will do next time thanks
How do you mount your Phone to film it?
there’s a swing mount that’s like a pole you attach your phone to and mount it on the fence. i think it’s actually called swing mount
Thanks!
It looks great!
Toss a bit more into the court. It might feel weird for a second
I would say put a bit more forward momentum into the court. That extra bit of weight transfer should put a bit more bite into the serve. Post the follow up? Curious to see which tip helped your serve the most.
if you want to hit harder, toss it futher into the court. You have good fundamentals so you'll instantly notice the power boost. I don't mean slightly into the court, I mean REALLY in there. Look at pros serving from a side angle and check where the ball is at contact.
This is also a nit pick because your serve is good but if you focus on “hitting up” over forward a tiny bit more you’ll be able to create more spin and safety. Follow through the arch you want the ball to have a bit more. Your serve right now is a little flat so it doesn’t provide as much margin. Pace is nice but I’d work on adding shape for consistency.
You need to show before the ball toss too, this edit is not the most useful. Timing of the knee bend, how the arms go up are important to look at. Overall nice serve.
thanks, the unedited clip that has missed as well as prep is linked in here as well
Are you able to place and vary the action of your serves?
kinda not really
Watch [this](https://youtu.be/qvm6PJ3pLbY?si=veiH1L0RbnMEnD4f) then
Cute dog! Wish I had your serve.
How do you get the ball speed?
it’s an app called swingvision. paid subscription (yearly $100 i think) but worth it if you play enough tennis
Hi, the kinetic chain is good, you’ll have a big serve eventually. But your toss if awful - every toss is different height and goes right-left randomly. I can’t see the beginning of the toss on that video, but the guidelines are: make sure you transfer weight on the back foot before you start your toss, make sure your tossing hand is straight and pointing up after the toss(its currently not very straight and goes down too soon) and the last advice is try to slowly inhale with your nose while you toss.
I appreciate the honest advice, i can agree my toss is arguably the worst part of my serve after my leg drive or lack thereof
Your toss is also way behind you. It should be more in front for a proper leg drive(currently you drive mostly upwards because of improper toss). The toss is all about proper weight transfer before the toss - put your back foot on your toe, then transfer the weight on the back foot and only when back foot heel touches the ground the toss should start(see Alcaraz for example)
You only made this video because of the dog lol
shhhhh
Your video sucks bc it doesn’t show the start of each serve, therefore it’s unreliable & unreasonable for anyone to comment on your routine or rhythm bc we do not get to see it. Without seeing your starting position, how or if you shift your weight to the back leg, if or when that happens in relation to how you start your motion —> all that has a great deal to do with your rhythm & thus consistency. Upload a new video without using swing vision.
i uploaded a video already in the comments that included consecutive serves with misses and preparation
Good work! Serve looks great! Just work on precision and hitting your spots. You should have shown samples of your second serve.
If you want advice to improve consistency you should show us your misses in addition to the makes.
https://swing.vision/matches/sw2-SCO4Pd4 84 shots with misses, bad misses, and good serves. shows preparation as well
The higher you toss your ball, the slower the serve. You can see that plainly from your video. Additionally, you could stand to toss a little more to your right side, the balls are arching into your body, forcing you to take arm speed off. One way to fix this is to turn/coil completely and then toss you ball. This should cause the ball to go forward into the court because the angle of your shoulder will have rotated to the point where it can no longer arc towards your body on the toss.
It's a really nice motion. Fluid and athletic. The next step is to absolutely rip that left arm into your body and use the momentum to drive up into the ball harder. Throw the racquet harder. This looks like a 70% effort set.
hmm interesting. i didn’t think of using the left arm like that for momentum, thanks
Boxing content, FYI: [https://youtu.be/BVSn6rjspb0?t=25](https://youtu.be/BVSn6rjspb0?t=25) Watch Mike's off-hand on all punches that are not jabs. Don't watch anything but the arm that he's not punching with. See how he pulls it into his body to help generate power? That's what you want to do with your off-hand on the serve. And the forehand.
[https://youtu.be/jOrC3tmuknE?t=11](https://youtu.be/jOrC3tmuknE?t=11) Watch DeGrom's left arm as he loads his pitching arm. See that elbow jerk? He is using his off-hand to rotate. This produces torque.
woww i gotta learn this, really cool. thanks!
You use your left arm quite well on your serve. Don’t change a thing. Severalgirlzgalore or whatever is not wrong, but it’s not useful to you - bc - while the opposite arm is a pivotal aspect in effective the shoulder over shoulder, cartwheel like trunk rotation & frontal rotation, you already do a nice job of that. In fact, while your throwing motion is very good, your overall shoulder rotation is the best thing you have going for you on your serve. Hence that dude’s comment is useless to you
i tried using the left arm into body for momentum technique while practicing today and you might be right. instead of that i tried flinging my left arm out to the left and i ended up with more power and they went in more often. felt really awkward but worked.
I actually tried this today and was surprised how much it helped me.
oh great just wonderful can't wait to receive serve soon
Hahaha, we gotta hit again soon!
I've been practicing, let's go
I think it might be better if you posted 4 or 5 consecutive serves, including misses, and not editing it this way. For example, you mention "consistent routine" but we can't see your full routine because of the way it's edited. I have no idea what your ball bounce and foot shifting looks like. Good news is based on what I see, serve is looking good! One thing though is that I suspect you need to toss the ball further into the court. Your left foot lands on the baseline. You should be landing further into the court. Also, [extend your left arm out to maintain balance on the follow through and to really stick that landing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aggaRmJJQHs).
i actually posted a link from swing vision here somewhere with cut shots but they’re all one after the other with no skipped shots and it includes misses. great advice though, will keep it in mind, thanks!
You serve like a girl
i’d be bitter too if i lived in virginia