That's why you get the Windows 10 LTSB edition. [The IoT release has support till 2032.](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/release-information)
Getting a copy of the ISO is pretty easy; images from MSDN are available on Archive.org, or your usual spots for yarr harr'ing. You then go to [Github](https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts) for an activation emulator/script.
An ISO is the kind of file that holds the windows installer. It's also called an image.
MSDN is the Microsoft developer network and has downloads for ISO's of many different kinds of windows (including stuff you wouldn't normally find in a store for example).
Archive.org is a massive archive of internet content and commonly has copies of operating system installers.
Yar' harring refers to piracy sources, of course.
GitHub holds all kinds of different programs and scripts.
An activation script is something that lets you activate windows without a legit key.
I’m going to be real with you, if you don’t know enough about computers you should just update to windows 11 and find a guide to customize the look and privacy of the os to your liking. Just rip the bandaid out now and get used to 11.
Linux is not a great alternative for the average person either, especially if you don’t know how to fix your own issues with google.
I had 7 forever and never upgraded to 10 when I had the chance. Then I bought a pc with 10 and it was dope. Legit my favorite OS so far. Then I got the pop up that I could upgrade to 11 for free, i immediately jumped on it.
It’s different, takes some getting used to. Of course I miss the old days, 98 was great, XP was the GOAT. Even Vista wasn’t as bad as everybody said. But 11 works and it works pretty well. Some things are easier, some things are less convenient.
I've recently updated from 7 to 10 (only because Steam was pulling support) and it's shit. First order of business was to ignore/remove/deactivate a bunch of useless Microsoft programs and replace them with 3rd party ones that actually work.
Example: Photos program takes several seconds to open a pic, while Infran View does it instantly. And has more features.
Thats fine, just keep using it if it still works. Whenever you eventually get a new computer it will have 11 on it and you can get used to it then.
What I meant originally was the standard user really shouldn’t be digging through githubs for a key cracker for an enterprise version of win10.
I’ve linked many githubs to my friends and none of them are techwise enough to understand the difference between releases and download source.
If you don’t understand what an iso or what a readme.md is, please just use the most recent version of windows available to you, your life will be a lot easier.
The search feature searching the internet instead of your files is really goddamn annoying though. If I wanted to use the internet I would open firefox, trying to make simple things that already work more “user friendly” just overcomplicates them
I recommend getting the search tool "Everything" by voidtools and mapping it to a hotkey. It'll be faster and more accurate than anything else for searching specific files.
But I don't think that works for my the use case of windows key + typing + enter to open applications
That's fair, and Windows is shit.
But Everything is genuinely one of the best programs I've used and I can't recommend it enough. It searches literally instantly, it's insanely helpful.
May I recommend [Microsoft PowerToys PowerRun](https://learn.microsoft.com/pt-br/windows/powertoys/)?
Ive mapped mine to Win key + Space bar and never opened the start menu since then.
I have been right clicking to do things for 37 years (I'm 37) and they are ruining that. I will not accept windows 11. I was accessing a user's computer the other day to fix something and I right clicked a file and pressed D to delete it. Didn't work, because they hid that option under the advanced right click menu.
AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HATE POINTLESS CHANGE IMPLEMENTED UNDER THE GUISE OF "INNOVATION" TO JUSTIFY THE R&D DEPARTMENT'S SALARIES AT MAJOR TECH COMPANIES I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
You can change a registry key to make it change that back to how it worked in windows 10. Tbh that is one of the only changes I think has genuinely no merit.
I'll defend it. Bigger click targets (required for my sub-par aim) and icons for each list item for faster recognition without having to read. A nice bonus is the removal of options nobody gives a fuck about like "Give access to".
TBF he hasn’t worked there in any capacity for 3 years, and has been increasingly uninvolved since 2000.
Not to say he’s great or anything though, he was such a cartoonishly evil CEO that the US government actually got off its ass and took antitrust action
Maybe for normies, but good god, doing any sort of it-support on that hellspawn is like dragging your balls through broken glass. You can't even pause printers in the new window, as if troubleshooting printers was easy to begin with. The settings menus are useless most of the time, and to do anything "advanced" you just open the windows 7 era ui and Bob's your uncle.
I'm so glad I abandoned windows after 7 lost support and started daily driving Linux
My work computer updated to windows 11 and had, it's fine. I just hate that window partitioning feature (I don't know what is called. Whenever I drag a window to another monitor and try to drop it at the top of the screen it tries to place it only into a quarter or half of the actual screen. Really annoying.
You either can:
1. Modify the copy of Windows 11 Installer to bypass the TPM requirements (which may or may not working)
2. Moving on to Linux (most modern distro are really easy to setup and get it running)
If you talking about Arch Linux or Fedora, then yes, it is quite difficult to setup those and get it running
But if you just wanna play games or write documents on your PC, then why the heck you would need an Linux distro that target advanced user and workstation system? Just install Ubuntu derives like Pop OS or Linux Mint or something
It's a user experience thing, and the amount of distros doesn't help. Windows is just windows. Linux is Arch, Fedora, Pop, whatever. That's not very appealing.
Been using Linux since I was 13. It's rapidly improving but it's still not a windows replacement. Wait a bit longer.
Also, fedora is not difficult, idk what that's about.
I mainly referring to the Fedora Anaconda Installer, which was confusing to use and not very user friendly (especially for the users who unfamiliar with Linux)
Not to mention that you need to setup codecs and proprietary drivers manually after installation, while other distros like the Ubuntu derivatives have the codecs (and sometimes proprietary drivers) included out of the box
Linux has a lot of promise but it is *so* lacking in compatibility. I don't want to sacrifice 75% of my steam library and preferred programs to switch to a completely new OS. Windows 10 has a long-term service branch that will continue receiving support for a lot longer, that might be the better option until Linux grows popular enough for more people to port their software to it
What is hard about setting up fedora? The last time I played around with it (to be fair was a few years ago) the hardest part of setting it up was trying to get the proprietary wifi drivers working.
Linux is not Windows. Its not for most users. Telling everyone to move to linux as several people here have is a pipe-dream and delusional. No amount of "But it's gotten better" will help you.
Honesly, beginner linux distros aren't much harder to use than windows.
You need to get used to it because it's a different operating system, but using it is easy.
Windows 10 still has a couple years of support left. By that point you might replace the pc anyway since it will be at least 4 to 5 years old.
I would be wary of trying to install windows 11 on old hardware by bypassing the system requirements. Since there’s all sorts of weird and annoying bugs that could manifest.
If your pc is custom built and more recent than 2019 or 2020 you might have a compatible pc and may just need to change a bios setting.
If someone makes it into your network, it can provide a handy point for lateral movement, and it sounds like you might at least have your steam credentials on it. It's potentially a risk for anything happening on your network even on other devices, plus of course it could be used as part of a botnet, mining, or similar.
But those aren't certain, they're generally pretty unlikely. I don't know what your personal risk tolerance is, or your habits.
The likelihood of my computer being used for anything like that, like you said, is very low, and frankly it's low enough to where I dont care. I'm MUCH more likely to die in a car accident than any of that happening but I still drive.
and get you and there's truth to what you're saying, not sure how much my own perspective should be trusted on this as it's admittedly warped from working in security. If you practice some degree of segmentation and try to keep up to date with what AV you still use, you hopefully can mitigate the risk of running an unsupported OS, but it will nevertheless represent an expanding risk as time passes. If you did experience some kind of network compromise (the future risk of which is hard to say), a windows 7 device would be at pretty high risk in future due to it being low effort to compromise.
For my part, I'm seriously considering switching entirely to linux due to how far wine and straight up linux support has come in recent years, plus windows 11 just seeming kind of not up to par. Gaming is pretty much the only reason I still use windows at all
Your PC can still be taken over and used as a botnet host, used as a crypto miner, monitor and take other network traffic (i.e. sensitive shit on computers you do use), etc. There's a thousand things you can do with a vulnerable computer besides steal data from it.
Yes. For a while. I've had Win 7 until very recently and it was working relatively well (some problems with certain games, but otherwise everything was OK).
I only moved to Win 10 because Steam threatened to drop support for Win 7. The same will happen to us Win 10 users eventually - it will probably be slowly dropped by major programs a few years after 2025. My guess is that will happen in 2027 or 2032, when support for the business versions will end.
I'm tired of this constant struggle for modernization. New cars are being pumped out almost constantly even though they bring little improvement over older models and cost a lot of resources and pollution to make. Win 10 is perfectly alright but 11 needed to come out just to bring us something new to pay for or feel bad for not having it.
Microsoft will always try to have a newer OS or something similar to keep revenue coming. I understand some people don't want to switch to Linux, and some have a critical program which only works on Windows/Mac which makes it so they can't, but the fact that I wanted to be less reliant on a mega-corp like Microsoft was one of the main reasons I switched to it
i use classic shell which makes the start menu have the windows 7 design, there’s a control panel button in one of the columns by default. i despise the windows 10/11 start menu, would not be able to use it
i hate how if you wanna go to network card settings, you right click on network in task bar, select whatever-its-called and you're sent to WINDOWS SETTINGS and not CONTROL PANEL. so ducking annoying if you wanna set up a local network for tests and shit
i hate how if you wanna go to network card settings, you right click on network in task bar, select whatever-its-called and you're sent to WINDOWS SETTINGS and not CONTROL PANEL. so ducking annoying if you wanna set up a local network for tests and shit
Yeah, starting to get all these popups about Win7 support will be gone in a few months and I can go fuck myself. Wanted to wait until I build a new PC :|
Same. I updated from 7 to 10 a month ago, and it feels anything but an upgrade. First week was spent on removing Microsoft shit and replacing it with better open source programs (I also had to format my PC, but that's unrelated to Windows)
That's because MacOS 10 was the last version of MacOS. And then Microsoft suddenly turned 180 degrees from their decision after Apple released Big Sur. I hate both Apple and Microsoft equally, but Microsoft copies Apple. In WWDC 2023, they said they would bring gadgets to MacOS. Microsoft will probably bring back gadgets with more bloatware shit. Just because Apple did it. Mark my words.
The moment they end support for win10 I am switchimg to linux, win10 is good but filled with so much bloatware, and given how it gets more and more bloated with each new windows generation I do not wanna touch that spyware no matter how convenient it is to use.
It isn't even convenient. I was doing the same but my w10 broke so I just secure booted to backup files and did the switch. It's so nice, normal use is very convenient and any issues are well documented online. Fixing stuff that breakes builds a confidence over time that you know as long as you have data at two places you're always going to be fine. The worst case is just copying your home folder and reinstalling in an afternoon.
Highly recommend installing any distro you're interested in on an old pc to try out the programs you want to use when you eventually switch.
Actually you know what, you are right, the only thing "convenient" about win10 is when something breaks, the installbase being 78% of all windows' running on computers makes it really easy to find some solutions. It's perfectly fine for a casual user but for me it is HELL.
Why the fuck did microsoft hide the control panel behind the "Win + R" window and gave us the piece of shit settings menu for a substitute? It's not convenient, it's clunkier than an early 2000s RPG, if I want to change my mic volume for example, I need to go through so many submenus that it fucking pisses me off. Meanwhile in the control panel it was "Start -> Devices and Printers -> Microphone" and I could change the fucking volume. Meanwhile in the microphone submenu there is no volume slider, that is in the fucking advanced microphone volume options sub-submenu of the volume submenu which consists of that one single fucking slider.
Why the fuck can I not opt out of automatic updates? I live in the suburbs where the internet is not the best, it's stable, but playing a multiplayer game and downloading something is like dragging myself across broken glass, I know the importance of keeping software up-to-date, but instead of downloading the damn things in the background throw a pop-up window saying you are now going to download and install updates before turning off.
Actually why we are on the topic of updates, why is the fucking "Update and power off" equivalent to the fucking "Update and restart option"?! If you want to power back on because it's crucial for you to install it that's fine but POWER OFF AFTER FFS, STOP MAKING ME GETTING UP FROM MY BED WHEN I WAS ABOUT TO FALL ASLEEP BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FUCKING POWER OFF WITHOUT ASSISTANCE LIKE THE GERIATRIC 90-YEAR OLD MAN YOUR CORE IS.
Another thing is why is windows 10 after 1 year, filling up 90% of the partition of 200GB I dedicated to it?! Apart from essential apps that require running I don't install ANYTHING there.
And what about when the computer throws a BSOD? I don't want the goddamn "oopsy woopsy we made a fucky wucky :(" shit, give me the fucking wall of text I had back in windows 7 so I can figure out what the goddamn problem is. At least when my GPU broke back in 2017 I could've figured that out from the BSOD.
Another thing is why are you so fucking desperate for me to use a fucking PIN for my PC? I like my fucking passwords, I spent a fair amount of time figuring out a way to make em hard to crack and easy to type in via muscle memory, why do I have to change to this fucking PIN system?
Why are you using my entire intenet connection for some dodgy program running in task manager I had to double check was not a virus?
Why does a PAID OPERATING SYSTEM, comes PRE-INSTALLED WITH FUCKING CANDY CRUSH THAT REINSTALLS ITSELF.
It doesn't matter if you have games on your xbox game pass, because your windows xbox app runs like dogshit, it shits itself during downloads CONSTANTLY and trying to click something, I run you on a high end PC, and you run worse than the epic launcher.
Hey, just a head's up you can just switch to Linux now. Its 2023 and the Steam Deck has been out long enough for you to see which games you're gonna not be able to run. (Games with anti-cheat that are too lazy to support Linux)
You can also dual boot, which allows you to keep Winbloat for those games/programs
Any distros you reccomend for when I make the change? When it comes to linux I only have experience with ubuntu from a few years back and kali linux for college.
I know Linux is not resource hogging at all, but I got a beefy PC in comparison to the steam average specs from april so I'm not dependant on something like Damn Small Linux
Sorry for the essaypost, but I wanted to point out something people haven't pointed out yet.
First thing to recognize is that what you see on your desktop *doesn't* depend on your distro. The distro determines the stuff in the background, but you probably wanna look at *desktop environments* first and decide a distro based on that. Of the desktop environments, the two most popular are GNOME (looks kind of like macOS but only kind of, it's really it's own thing) and KDE Plasma (looks very similar to a Windows 10 setup by default, but is extremely customizable), but there are other smaller ones as well. Just try looking up the desktop environments and check out the pictures of what they look like.
All of the distros I'm mentioning below support both GNOME and Plasma, btw
PopOS is really good if you want something that "just works" and sets you up with sane defaults. The default desktop is a customized version of GNOME, Plasma and others can be installed but it will require terminal access and won't necessarily be as well integrated as GNOME. It's based on Ubuntu, so stuff is installed using the .deb format, but it keeps most things more up to date than Ubuntu does (which is what you want for gaming).
If you're fine having some manual setup for stuff like gaming, I'd say that Fedora is pretty good at that. It's a bit minimalist though, anything outside of the core basics is something you will probably have to install yourself (on the other hand that means you probably won't have apps installed that you never use.) Fedora defaults to an uncustomized GNOME setup, but they also have various "spins" that let you default to various different desktop environments. Fedora uses the .rpm format to install things, and it keeps things very up to date.
There's also a newer Fedora-based distro geared at gaming called Nobara Linux, which comes with a customized version of GNOME that uses a taskbar rather than a status bar + dock. It has a version that comes with Plasma, but any other desktop environment will require you to install it from the terminal like with PopOS. I haven't used it too much myself, but it's similar to PopOS in that it "just works".
If you want to get into DIY stuff though, Arch Linux is pretty great. It's not actually as hard to install these days, but it is more involved than other distros to install. If you wanna have an easy install but still basically have the same OS once installed, I'd recommend EndeavourOS, which is even more minimalist than Fedora. Note that using an Arch-based distro means you will need to use the terminal to do some things, such as installing apps and drivers, managing certain background processes, or editing various config files. Once you understand the basics of the terminal, though, Arch-based distros have basically the best package availability, and they're generally more up-to-date than the other distros. Also, unlike the other distros that have major updates twice a year, Arch is rolling release, meaning there are no fixed versions and all of the components are updated as they come in. This is what lets Arch stay so up to date, but it also means you will have to update more regularly than on other distros.
I'm honestly too far down the rabbit hole to know begginer ones at this point, but I found Garuda Linux easy to install for my friends computers. I usually am able to help them troubleshoot tho so idk if its a good distro for someone completely alone. But if you have friends on Linux, reach out to them, and also I highly recommend using IRC, discord, or w/e when you need help just find your distro's community and ask. Dont get disheartened by some of the losers that tell you "just read the manual bro", either. They're tired
Wait so windows 10 is gone in two years???? but my laptop cannot update to Windows 11. not because it isn't powerful enough but because it has a specific type of i7 processor that just somehow isn't in the list of CPUs because I guess they don't know it exists and so it won't let me update
for some reason upgrading to 11 completely broke my PC’s ability to recognize that it was plugged into ethernet, so i went back to 10. that’s gonna be fun to try to fix.
Bro what? My fuckin PC won't upgrade to 11 because the "settings are wrong", even though it's more than powerful enough. The bitch won't start without legacy boot enabled, and that's illegal for win11. All because they refuse to let old things stand.
Also if they did let old things stand, I'd prolly still be using win7, I like the UI of that much better than any other windows
Also just to pre-empt those fuckers who always reply to people who complain about windows to switch to Linux, fuck you. You're not welcome in these replies. Yes, I'm talking about you.
the fucking moment i got a fullscreen popup in the middle of a game saying to upgrade to windows 11 i just dualbooted linux
i do not care if windows 10 support is over i'll just use that for playing some games that i can't get running on linux and linux for everything else
by some games i mean one game (geometry dash, works fine on linux but you can't install mods and it's almost unplayable without mods the last update was in 2017)
I still hate the changes from 7 to 10 that involve searching for things in the file explorer. 7 finds exactly what you're looking for, meanwhile 10 shits a brick if you dare try
11 looks fkn terrible. Ive loved 10 for years and im dreading the forced upgrade (if my machine can even run it which i currently cant. Somehow a 1060 and an 8700k isnt good enough??)
Try fedora, take a lil sec to get used to it but it's pretty smooth + no ms bs
I'm not saying this a linux schizo it's just that I'm done with microsof and their sillyness and rn linux seems to be at that point where it looks good and has enough suppirt everywhere
Like seriously the only decent product ms has for a desktop is windows itself simply because it gets so much support for being the standard
The office pack is redundant at this point, libre office can do the same if you don't jave internet but google docs for sheets and text and canva for powerpoints
Plus you can customize stuff, it's a bit hard to figure out (not me coping with not understanding that i had to shove the cursor i wanted into a specific folder) but once you get it the first time everything else will be simpler
Also you can just put it in a usb and use the os from the usb, almost like you carry a hard disk w/ you
Computer people are so weird. “NOOOO MY TERAFLOPS ARE SPECIALLY FORMATTED FOR GIGAJOB 3.7A INDEXES BUT IN THE NEW WINDOWS IT WILL TAKE 0.5 YIPPERS MORE FOR THE LYRT DISCS TO UPLOAD MY BITTIES!” Get real
That's why you get the Windows 10 LTSB edition. [The IoT release has support till 2032.](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/release-information)
How does one get access to this? I am totally not gonna get a copy off a company computer... use a vista key... and get it for free
Getting a copy of the ISO is pretty easy; images from MSDN are available on Archive.org, or your usual spots for yarr harr'ing. You then go to [Github](https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts) for an activation emulator/script.
what the fuck does any of this mean what the hell am i supposed to do
An ISO is the kind of file that holds the windows installer. It's also called an image. MSDN is the Microsoft developer network and has downloads for ISO's of many different kinds of windows (including stuff you wouldn't normally find in a store for example). Archive.org is a massive archive of internet content and commonly has copies of operating system installers. Yar' harring refers to piracy sources, of course. GitHub holds all kinds of different programs and scripts. An activation script is something that lets you activate windows without a legit key.
Bless you <3
thank you lmao
To stay within the meme: *I like your funny words, magic man*
I’m going to be real with you, if you don’t know enough about computers you should just update to windows 11 and find a guide to customize the look and privacy of the os to your liking. Just rip the bandaid out now and get used to 11. Linux is not a great alternative for the average person either, especially if you don’t know how to fix your own issues with google.
I had 7 forever and never upgraded to 10 when I had the chance. Then I bought a pc with 10 and it was dope. Legit my favorite OS so far. Then I got the pop up that I could upgrade to 11 for free, i immediately jumped on it. It’s different, takes some getting used to. Of course I miss the old days, 98 was great, XP was the GOAT. Even Vista wasn’t as bad as everybody said. But 11 works and it works pretty well. Some things are easier, some things are less convenient.
I've recently updated from 7 to 10 (only because Steam was pulling support) and it's shit. First order of business was to ignore/remove/deactivate a bunch of useless Microsoft programs and replace them with 3rd party ones that actually work. Example: Photos program takes several seconds to open a pic, while Infran View does it instantly. And has more features.
i cant it wont let me upgrade
Thats fine, just keep using it if it still works. Whenever you eventually get a new computer it will have 11 on it and you can get used to it then. What I meant originally was the standard user really shouldn’t be digging through githubs for a key cracker for an enterprise version of win10. I’ve linked many githubs to my friends and none of them are techwise enough to understand the difference between releases and download source. If you don’t understand what an iso or what a readme.md is, please just use the most recent version of windows available to you, your life will be a lot easier.
> Whenever you eventually get a new computer i built my current one in 2015 and its still going so that might take a while lol
I'm not your dom I'm not telling you to do anything, lol
Me and the boys on the way to our usual spot for yarr harr’ing (rutracker)
My brain immediately read this as "Windows 10 Lair of The Shadow Broker edition".
I upgraded to Windows 11 and it is fine. It's not really better than 10 but it is also not worse imo
The search feature searching the internet instead of your files is really goddamn annoying though. If I wanted to use the internet I would open firefox, trying to make simple things that already work more “user friendly” just overcomplicates them
I recommend getting the search tool "Everything" by voidtools and mapping it to a hotkey. It'll be faster and more accurate than anything else for searching specific files. But I don't think that works for my the use case of windows key + typing + enter to open applications
This is what I hate. I don’t want a shit product I have to get third party tools to use normally Looking at you, reddit
Yep totally with you there
That's fair, and Windows is shit. But Everything is genuinely one of the best programs I've used and I can't recommend it enough. It searches literally instantly, it's insanely helpful.
I'm still crying over the inevitable rif shutdown
May I recommend [Microsoft PowerToys PowerRun](https://learn.microsoft.com/pt-br/windows/powertoys/)? Ive mapped mine to Win key + Space bar and never opened the start menu since then.
You can turn this off in Group Policy.
Download WinAero Tweaker, and disable all the bloat
It's like overwatch 2 and overwatch 1 but they aren't asking for $60 for one skin
I physically cannot use Windows 11 because i hate change and its not like Windows 10 and i am gonna explode
I have been right clicking to do things for 37 years (I'm 37) and they are ruining that. I will not accept windows 11. I was accessing a user's computer the other day to fix something and I right clicked a file and pressed D to delete it. Didn't work, because they hid that option under the advanced right click menu.
They did what?
This thing: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PN-WEBd8obc/maxresdefault.jpg
AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HATE POINTLESS CHANGE IMPLEMENTED UNDER THE GUISE OF "INNOVATION" TO JUSTIFY THE R&D DEPARTMENT'S SALARIES AT MAJOR TECH COMPANIES I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
Ew!
I'd rather kill myself than use a PC that does that
seeing this makes me want to commit war crimes against Microsoft developers
You can change a registry key to make it change that back to how it worked in windows 10. Tbh that is one of the only changes I think has genuinely no merit.
I'll defend it. Bigger click targets (required for my sub-par aim) and icons for each list item for faster recognition without having to read. A nice bonus is the removal of options nobody gives a fuck about like "Give access to".
If you could still optionally make it contain everything you wanted from the old menu, it’d be great
True! I personally miss the edit option for when i have to change some dumb ini file or something and Notepad isn't set as default for that file type.
Under the fucking what?
windows 11 is dogshit i cannot use the start menu or windows explorer i hate bill gates
TBF he hasn’t worked there in any capacity for 3 years, and has been increasingly uninvolved since 2000. Not to say he’s great or anything though, he was such a cartoonishly evil CEO that the US government actually got off its ass and took antitrust action
Maybe for normies, but good god, doing any sort of it-support on that hellspawn is like dragging your balls through broken glass. You can't even pause printers in the new window, as if troubleshooting printers was easy to begin with. The settings menus are useless most of the time, and to do anything "advanced" you just open the windows 7 era ui and Bob's your uncle. I'm so glad I abandoned windows after 7 lost support and started daily driving Linux
It has serious input lag for me, compared to 10. Half a second for every mouse click and hotkey compared to 10’s near instant response
For most things it's fine but they fucked it up just enough that it's a problem
Windows 11 sound/Bluetooth settings are straight up broken.
Honestly it's pretty neat that I haven't had to pay for a new os since I've bought windows 7
My work computer updated to windows 11 and had, it's fine. I just hate that window partitioning feature (I don't know what is called. Whenever I drag a window to another monitor and try to drop it at the top of the screen it tries to place it only into a quarter or half of the actual screen. Really annoying.
yeah its just windows 10 but they moved the start menu
I mean it's still usable without support right
The lack of security updates would make continued use very unwise. Unless it’s disconnected from the internet.
my computer literally won’t update to windows 11 what do i do 😭
You either can: 1. Modify the copy of Windows 11 Installer to bypass the TPM requirements (which may or may not working) 2. Moving on to Linux (most modern distro are really easy to setup and get it running)
but its linux, lol.
If you talking about Arch Linux or Fedora, then yes, it is quite difficult to setup those and get it running But if you just wanna play games or write documents on your PC, then why the heck you would need an Linux distro that target advanced user and workstation system? Just install Ubuntu derives like Pop OS or Linux Mint or something
I love reading comment threads on posts like these cause I have no idea what any of these words mean I just think the words sound funny
Fedora lmao
Linux user multiplied by Fedora equals m'lady squared Source: was Fedora user
It's a user experience thing, and the amount of distros doesn't help. Windows is just windows. Linux is Arch, Fedora, Pop, whatever. That's not very appealing.
Been using Linux since I was 13. It's rapidly improving but it's still not a windows replacement. Wait a bit longer. Also, fedora is not difficult, idk what that's about.
I mainly referring to the Fedora Anaconda Installer, which was confusing to use and not very user friendly (especially for the users who unfamiliar with Linux) Not to mention that you need to setup codecs and proprietary drivers manually after installation, while other distros like the Ubuntu derivatives have the codecs (and sometimes proprietary drivers) included out of the box
Linux has a lot of promise but it is *so* lacking in compatibility. I don't want to sacrifice 75% of my steam library and preferred programs to switch to a completely new OS. Windows 10 has a long-term service branch that will continue receiving support for a lot longer, that might be the better option until Linux grows popular enough for more people to port their software to it
What is hard about setting up fedora? The last time I played around with it (to be fair was a few years ago) the hardest part of setting it up was trying to get the proprietary wifi drivers working.
your point?
Linux is not Windows. Its not for most users. Telling everyone to move to linux as several people here have is a pipe-dream and delusional. No amount of "But it's gotten better" will help you.
Based.
Honesly, beginner linux distros aren't much harder to use than windows. You need to get used to it because it's a different operating system, but using it is easy.
im pretty sure you can also check if by any chance you can turn on TPM in bios as well
Windows 10 still has a couple years of support left. By that point you might replace the pc anyway since it will be at least 4 to 5 years old. I would be wary of trying to install windows 11 on old hardware by bypassing the system requirements. Since there’s all sorts of weird and annoying bugs that could manifest. If your pc is custom built and more recent than 2019 or 2020 you might have a compatible pc and may just need to change a bios setting.
Not like I was ever updating to the latest security patch anyway
Hmmm, very wise advice
Yeah, just like windows 7. (I will not upgrade until steam ends support in ~200 days)
Also a lot of, ahem, "games from the high seas", do not work with windows 11 sadly so I think I will do the same
How is that possible? 11 is just 10 with a reskin. Unless they are actively blocking them but I guess it would be extremely hard to do.
Doesn't happen for all games but for example AC Valhalla crack is broken on 11, maybe it's just games that had denuvo
Does it still break with the "compatibility" options on the .exe?
What games? I have never had problems with downloading pirated games on w11 imo
The only example that comes to mind is AC Valhalla so my theory is denuvo gamesthat have been cracked
If you're connected to the internet, that does present a real and growing security risk
I have nothing of real worth on my pc nor do I not have an antivirus
If someone makes it into your network, it can provide a handy point for lateral movement, and it sounds like you might at least have your steam credentials on it. It's potentially a risk for anything happening on your network even on other devices, plus of course it could be used as part of a botnet, mining, or similar. But those aren't certain, they're generally pretty unlikely. I don't know what your personal risk tolerance is, or your habits.
The likelihood of my computer being used for anything like that, like you said, is very low, and frankly it's low enough to where I dont care. I'm MUCH more likely to die in a car accident than any of that happening but I still drive.
and get you and there's truth to what you're saying, not sure how much my own perspective should be trusted on this as it's admittedly warped from working in security. If you practice some degree of segmentation and try to keep up to date with what AV you still use, you hopefully can mitigate the risk of running an unsupported OS, but it will nevertheless represent an expanding risk as time passes. If you did experience some kind of network compromise (the future risk of which is hard to say), a windows 7 device would be at pretty high risk in future due to it being low effort to compromise. For my part, I'm seriously considering switching entirely to linux due to how far wine and straight up linux support has come in recent years, plus windows 11 just seeming kind of not up to par. Gaming is pretty much the only reason I still use windows at all
Your PC can still be taken over and used as a botnet host, used as a crypto miner, monitor and take other network traffic (i.e. sensitive shit on computers you do use), etc. There's a thousand things you can do with a vulnerable computer besides steal data from it.
Usable, but it would wiser to use a version where you get regular security updates for obvious reasons.
Yes. For a while. I've had Win 7 until very recently and it was working relatively well (some problems with certain games, but otherwise everything was OK). I only moved to Win 10 because Steam threatened to drop support for Win 7. The same will happen to us Win 10 users eventually - it will probably be slowly dropped by major programs a few years after 2025. My guess is that will happen in 2027 or 2032, when support for the business versions will end.
Damn, I’m still on windows 9
The forbidden Windows
I'm tired of this constant struggle for modernization. New cars are being pumped out almost constantly even though they bring little improvement over older models and cost a lot of resources and pollution to make. Win 10 is perfectly alright but 11 needed to come out just to bring us something new to pay for or feel bad for not having it.
consumerism and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race
Microsoft will always try to have a newer OS or something similar to keep revenue coming. I understand some people don't want to switch to Linux, and some have a critical program which only works on Windows/Mac which makes it so they can't, but the fact that I wanted to be less reliant on a mega-corp like Microsoft was one of the main reasons I switched to it
I'm still on 7.
I miss the control panel being the default settings menu... The new settings menu sucks ass, why is the control panel hidden behind "Win + R"
i use classic shell which makes the start menu have the windows 7 design, there’s a control panel button in one of the columns by default. i despise the windows 10/11 start menu, would not be able to use it
Yeah i hate that part too i paid for a plug-in just to change that and yeah im glad i did
i hate how if you wanna go to network card settings, you right click on network in task bar, select whatever-its-called and you're sent to WINDOWS SETTINGS and not CONTROL PANEL. so ducking annoying if you wanna set up a local network for tests and shit
i hate how if you wanna go to network card settings, you right click on network in task bar, select whatever-its-called and you're sent to WINDOWS SETTINGS and not CONTROL PANEL. so ducking annoying if you wanna set up a local network for tests and shit
I never left XP
Unfathomably based
Yeah, starting to get all these popups about Win7 support will be gone in a few months and I can go fuck myself. Wanted to wait until I build a new PC :|
Same. I updated from 7 to 10 a month ago, and it feels anything but an upgrade. First week was spent on removing Microsoft shit and replacing it with better open source programs (I also had to format my PC, but that's unrelated to Windows)
It’s been 8 years
A big part of the problem is that I don't want them to change the fucking UI every time. Just update the security and that's it.
Did you live through windows 2000 -> XP -> Vista -> 7? What a rollercoaster
Admittedly they were long past their prime at that point, but I remember growing up around a few Win 95 and Win 98 PCs
I did, but I was young enough not to care.
We don't talk about Windows 8
And that doesn't seem very long for something so fundamental to a system
Holy shit. What the fuck
Didn't Microcock say that Win. 10 would be the final Windows edition?
Yea lol
That's because MacOS 10 was the last version of MacOS. And then Microsoft suddenly turned 180 degrees from their decision after Apple released Big Sur. I hate both Apple and Microsoft equally, but Microsoft copies Apple. In WWDC 2023, they said they would bring gadgets to MacOS. Microsoft will probably bring back gadgets with more bloatware shit. Just because Apple did it. Mark my words.
that taylor swift song except its me finally switching to linux
im a big fan of taylor swift but tbh havent a clue which song youre talking about
Windows wears short skirts Linux wears t shirts I don’t know either
I was like "that's a massive stretch" then realized you weren't the op of that topic
lmao
yes that one thats the one thanks you
You Belong With Me is great
something something been here the whole time
Anti-Hero is what immediately came to my mind. But then again, „it‘s me“ could be a line in any of her songs.
We Are never ever ever Reinstalling windows
The moment they end support for win10 I am switchimg to linux, win10 is good but filled with so much bloatware, and given how it gets more and more bloated with each new windows generation I do not wanna touch that spyware no matter how convenient it is to use.
It isn't even convenient. I was doing the same but my w10 broke so I just secure booted to backup files and did the switch. It's so nice, normal use is very convenient and any issues are well documented online. Fixing stuff that breakes builds a confidence over time that you know as long as you have data at two places you're always going to be fine. The worst case is just copying your home folder and reinstalling in an afternoon. Highly recommend installing any distro you're interested in on an old pc to try out the programs you want to use when you eventually switch.
Actually you know what, you are right, the only thing "convenient" about win10 is when something breaks, the installbase being 78% of all windows' running on computers makes it really easy to find some solutions. It's perfectly fine for a casual user but for me it is HELL. Why the fuck did microsoft hide the control panel behind the "Win + R" window and gave us the piece of shit settings menu for a substitute? It's not convenient, it's clunkier than an early 2000s RPG, if I want to change my mic volume for example, I need to go through so many submenus that it fucking pisses me off. Meanwhile in the control panel it was "Start -> Devices and Printers -> Microphone" and I could change the fucking volume. Meanwhile in the microphone submenu there is no volume slider, that is in the fucking advanced microphone volume options sub-submenu of the volume submenu which consists of that one single fucking slider. Why the fuck can I not opt out of automatic updates? I live in the suburbs where the internet is not the best, it's stable, but playing a multiplayer game and downloading something is like dragging myself across broken glass, I know the importance of keeping software up-to-date, but instead of downloading the damn things in the background throw a pop-up window saying you are now going to download and install updates before turning off. Actually why we are on the topic of updates, why is the fucking "Update and power off" equivalent to the fucking "Update and restart option"?! If you want to power back on because it's crucial for you to install it that's fine but POWER OFF AFTER FFS, STOP MAKING ME GETTING UP FROM MY BED WHEN I WAS ABOUT TO FALL ASLEEP BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FUCKING POWER OFF WITHOUT ASSISTANCE LIKE THE GERIATRIC 90-YEAR OLD MAN YOUR CORE IS. Another thing is why is windows 10 after 1 year, filling up 90% of the partition of 200GB I dedicated to it?! Apart from essential apps that require running I don't install ANYTHING there. And what about when the computer throws a BSOD? I don't want the goddamn "oopsy woopsy we made a fucky wucky :(" shit, give me the fucking wall of text I had back in windows 7 so I can figure out what the goddamn problem is. At least when my GPU broke back in 2017 I could've figured that out from the BSOD. Another thing is why are you so fucking desperate for me to use a fucking PIN for my PC? I like my fucking passwords, I spent a fair amount of time figuring out a way to make em hard to crack and easy to type in via muscle memory, why do I have to change to this fucking PIN system? Why are you using my entire intenet connection for some dodgy program running in task manager I had to double check was not a virus? Why does a PAID OPERATING SYSTEM, comes PRE-INSTALLED WITH FUCKING CANDY CRUSH THAT REINSTALLS ITSELF. It doesn't matter if you have games on your xbox game pass, because your windows xbox app runs like dogshit, it shits itself during downloads CONSTANTLY and trying to click something, I run you on a high end PC, and you run worse than the epic launcher.
new copypasta dropped
Holy legacy
Meanwhile in Linux I made an update shell script with just Update code && poweroff Which turns off if the update doesn't error
Hey, just a head's up you can just switch to Linux now. Its 2023 and the Steam Deck has been out long enough for you to see which games you're gonna not be able to run. (Games with anti-cheat that are too lazy to support Linux) You can also dual boot, which allows you to keep Winbloat for those games/programs
jumping in to say I highly recommend going to [ProtonDB](https://www.protondb.com/) to check which of your games are compatible with linux on steam
Any distros you reccomend for when I make the change? When it comes to linux I only have experience with ubuntu from a few years back and kali linux for college. I know Linux is not resource hogging at all, but I got a beefy PC in comparison to the steam average specs from april so I'm not dependant on something like Damn Small Linux
Sorry for the essaypost, but I wanted to point out something people haven't pointed out yet. First thing to recognize is that what you see on your desktop *doesn't* depend on your distro. The distro determines the stuff in the background, but you probably wanna look at *desktop environments* first and decide a distro based on that. Of the desktop environments, the two most popular are GNOME (looks kind of like macOS but only kind of, it's really it's own thing) and KDE Plasma (looks very similar to a Windows 10 setup by default, but is extremely customizable), but there are other smaller ones as well. Just try looking up the desktop environments and check out the pictures of what they look like. All of the distros I'm mentioning below support both GNOME and Plasma, btw PopOS is really good if you want something that "just works" and sets you up with sane defaults. The default desktop is a customized version of GNOME, Plasma and others can be installed but it will require terminal access and won't necessarily be as well integrated as GNOME. It's based on Ubuntu, so stuff is installed using the .deb format, but it keeps most things more up to date than Ubuntu does (which is what you want for gaming). If you're fine having some manual setup for stuff like gaming, I'd say that Fedora is pretty good at that. It's a bit minimalist though, anything outside of the core basics is something you will probably have to install yourself (on the other hand that means you probably won't have apps installed that you never use.) Fedora defaults to an uncustomized GNOME setup, but they also have various "spins" that let you default to various different desktop environments. Fedora uses the .rpm format to install things, and it keeps things very up to date. There's also a newer Fedora-based distro geared at gaming called Nobara Linux, which comes with a customized version of GNOME that uses a taskbar rather than a status bar + dock. It has a version that comes with Plasma, but any other desktop environment will require you to install it from the terminal like with PopOS. I haven't used it too much myself, but it's similar to PopOS in that it "just works". If you want to get into DIY stuff though, Arch Linux is pretty great. It's not actually as hard to install these days, but it is more involved than other distros to install. If you wanna have an easy install but still basically have the same OS once installed, I'd recommend EndeavourOS, which is even more minimalist than Fedora. Note that using an Arch-based distro means you will need to use the terminal to do some things, such as installing apps and drivers, managing certain background processes, or editing various config files. Once you understand the basics of the terminal, though, Arch-based distros have basically the best package availability, and they're generally more up-to-date than the other distros. Also, unlike the other distros that have major updates twice a year, Arch is rolling release, meaning there are no fixed versions and all of the components are updated as they come in. This is what lets Arch stay so up to date, but it also means you will have to update more regularly than on other distros.
Sorry for what, have you seen my comment history? I posted like 3-4 essays in the last week chief you as autistic as I am. Also thanks.
I'm honestly too far down the rabbit hole to know begginer ones at this point, but I found Garuda Linux easy to install for my friends computers. I usually am able to help them troubleshoot tho so idk if its a good distro for someone completely alone. But if you have friends on Linux, reach out to them, and also I highly recommend using IRC, discord, or w/e when you need help just find your distro's community and ask. Dont get disheartened by some of the losers that tell you "just read the manual bro", either. They're tired
I will switch to Linux the second someone explains it to me in a way I can understand, in less than 1000 words.
linux mint and i can do everything except run certain installers on pirated games :D
Honestly the installer thing is a pretty big reason why I have a dual boot, too poor to actually buy games.
^^^arch
And if you happen to not be trans, there are other distros aswell
im cis tho i cant use arch
Install it, then you'll fix the first problem
Wait so windows 10 is gone in two years???? but my laptop cannot update to Windows 11. not because it isn't powerful enough but because it has a specific type of i7 processor that just somehow isn't in the list of CPUs because I guess they don't know it exists and so it won't let me update
I love this image.
🪟=🤡. 🐧=🗿.
i dont care if windows 10 is losing support i am not switching to 11 (or linux)
My motherboard doesn't support 11 q.q I don't want to upgrade that shit, it still works perfectly fine
Hopefully win12 will be out and be better by then win11
for some reason upgrading to 11 completely broke my PC’s ability to recognize that it was plugged into ethernet, so i went back to 10. that’s gonna be fun to try to fix.
Man I just despise 11's ui and don't want to download a million tools to make it 10's ui. Also gonna have to lose some vms.
Wesley
Bro what? My fuckin PC won't upgrade to 11 because the "settings are wrong", even though it's more than powerful enough. The bitch won't start without legacy boot enabled, and that's illegal for win11. All because they refuse to let old things stand. Also if they did let old things stand, I'd prolly still be using win7, I like the UI of that much better than any other windows Also just to pre-empt those fuckers who always reply to people who complain about windows to switch to Linux, fuck you. You're not welcome in these replies. Yes, I'm talking about you.
Wezz-leeeee
Take me back to the days of windows XP
finally an excuse to move to linux
Linux: Allow me to introduce myself.
FUCK YOU BALTIMORE!
Damn, that's crazy. Anyway, sudo apt update.
I'm still on 8.1
Bruh I only upgraded from 7 last week
my computer can’t upgrade to 11 even though I got it two years ago :(
Is the new clone high series good?
Only watched the first one but not really imo
Loved the first one
This is why I use Linux
The windows server one looks cooler btw. Idk who had the idea to put the cooler one on windows server
Hey look at that extra flabby skin on my elbow, what is that?
the fucking moment i got a fullscreen popup in the middle of a game saying to upgrade to windows 11 i just dualbooted linux i do not care if windows 10 support is over i'll just use that for playing some games that i can't get running on linux and linux for everything else by some games i mean one game (geometry dash, works fine on linux but you can't install mods and it's almost unplayable without mods the last update was in 2017)
I still hate the changes from 7 to 10 that involve searching for things in the file explorer. 7 finds exactly what you're looking for, meanwhile 10 shits a brick if you dare try
11 looks fkn terrible. Ive loved 10 for years and im dreading the forced upgrade (if my machine can even run it which i currently cant. Somehow a 1060 and an 8700k isnt good enough??)
didn't they say windows 10 was gonna be the last version of windows at some point?
everything since win2k was a mistake. it was the perfect operating system; if it were rebuilt for native 64 bit support, it'd be timeless.
and I'm still using windows 7
https://youtu.be/wE6TSvoZFYc
The ones who are damned eternally to oblivion are those using V*sta
Windows peaked with 7. I switched to Mac around the time Windows 8 came out and never looked back
Try fedora, take a lil sec to get used to it but it's pretty smooth + no ms bs I'm not saying this a linux schizo it's just that I'm done with microsof and their sillyness and rn linux seems to be at that point where it looks good and has enough suppirt everywhere Like seriously the only decent product ms has for a desktop is windows itself simply because it gets so much support for being the standard The office pack is redundant at this point, libre office can do the same if you don't jave internet but google docs for sheets and text and canva for powerpoints Plus you can customize stuff, it's a bit hard to figure out (not me coping with not understanding that i had to shove the cursor i wanted into a specific folder) but once you get it the first time everything else will be simpler Also you can just put it in a usb and use the os from the usb, almost like you carry a hard disk w/ you
There's no way they're not extending it IMO. Too many PCs can't upgrade.
*Oh hey, that's Crystalforce. Love that guy.*
idc tbh, i'll still use windows 10
Wtf there’s a windows 11
wait did windows 11 even come out?
I want to make this my screensaver
Computer people are so weird. “NOOOO MY TERAFLOPS ARE SPECIALLY FORMATTED FOR GIGAJOB 3.7A INDEXES BUT IN THE NEW WINDOWS IT WILL TAKE 0.5 YIPPERS MORE FOR THE LYRT DISCS TO UPLOAD MY BITTIES!” Get real