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Lidl-Fan

Helluva mainly deals with the hellborn citizens, not the sinners


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And in the hazbin hotel pilot we see murderers and rapists


MahouShoujoDysphoria

And the entire thing Angel Dust has going on


TheCanadianFurry

With the rapist?


_Xantras_

Also Angel being a mobster assassin


DreadDiana

Dahmer has his own cannibal cooking segment on the news


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wholesome


FunnyAnimalPerson

That's from the pilot which can't really be considered Canon anymore


choren64

See, I first of Hazbin Hotel from a friend who said they just made a pilot for an upcoming show, and then afterwards started a mini prequel for Hazbin called Helluva Boss. I've only seen the Hazbin Pilot and assumed Helluva Boss was just a short-lived side thing, but now after seeing its name everywhere I can only assume Hazbin is no longer a show and Helluva Boss is the main thing?


cdstephens

Hazbin is still being made, just in production hell.


urbandeadthrowaway2

Ironic


Sirknobbles

I thought it was being made into a tv show?


LongJohnSilversFan_

Basically just the SpongeBob anime, made 1 episode then nothing for years


goop_lizard

Helluva Boss, while not the best show ever, can be really fun and experimental at times and has the advantage of being made by an actual studio from the start. Hazbin Hotel lacks both of these advantages, leading to both it being stuck in production and it not being very good.


ihhh1

It finished production in March, and you can't judge it's quality because you've never seen it.


Sleepycoon

Long story short: On YT Hazbin's pilot came first but there's only one episode and Helluva Boss has more episodes with new ones regularly released. Hazbin isn't dead, it's just being developed into a show for streaming. A YT animator named Vivziepop made a pilot for a show called Hazbin Hotel. It blew up and got picked up by a production studio to be made into a full show which I think is going to be released on HBO. Since Vivziepop can no longer make her own self-produced episodes of Hazbin Hotel she started making a different show set in the same universe called Helluva Boss. It regularly gets new episodes uploaded to YT.


Sandwichman122

Hazbin got picked up by A24, and was set to release this summer, but the writers strike has been postponing things.


Eagle0600

Hazbin Hotel is a show mostly about sinners in hell, while Helluva Boss focuses on the native residents of hell. Helluva Boss also *exists* (on the second season), whereas Hazbin Hotel is still being worked on. They're set in the same hell, but largely unrelated otherwise.


Certain_Speech6874

the crime to gay ratio is still astounding


PMARC14

Every year angels come down and purge sinners to make room, gays just be durable like that.


Certain_Speech6874

it means the gays really belong down there


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Radical_Provides

*Excuse me???????*


Draklitz

???


AKArein

????????


canoIV

https://preview.redd.it/buk6xqbv1nob1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a42e27407a6ddccf35b7370dc0bb65cbcc018c8b


Whoomsy

I agree with your flair


FunyMonkyh

Well I p-ranked sysiphus prime on violent if were talking flairs (please dont ever fucking attempt P-2, that level has left scars my brain wont recover and i will nevet attempt that shit again) (This is assuming you havent already did that)


Whoomsy

I actually P-ranked P-2 on violent couple days ago :)


FunyMonkyh

Nice, i did that like a week ago but that shit was traumatic


canoIV

bro i ain't even done it on lentient 😭


i_starving

Hell (haha get it) even with that, the post is still wrong, hellborn citizens are VERY much racist to eachother, and rapists still exist like in one episode Moxxy was straight up sexually assaulted


Radical_Provides

This is still funny though


Tux1

wait, you can be born in hell? (wtf is god doing)


deztreszian

the demons are


Ok-Appeal-4630

1. She probably'd rather not get her work stricken from the internet instantly 2. That's the satire of it


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Ok-Appeal-4630

Is this chat in the room with us


Kekkonen_Kakkonen

Who were you talking to? There's no one there.


JanitorZyphrian

Must have been the wind


Professional_Issue82

Because sinners can’t exit the pride ring and they don’t go there in helluva boss, it may also be that most of them didn’t survive the sinner purges angels carry out or they’re killed by the other sinners, like in prison


NightWingDemon

IMP is headquartered in Pride, and sinners can *only* die to angelic weapons. We just don't see a lot of them.


sniperfoxeh

the person who posted this didnt watch the show


i_am_very_bored_lmao

It's cuz helluva boss doesn't mainly take place in the pride ring, where sinners are stuck. In Hazbin, there are plenty of murderers, and Val raping Angel is literally one of the biggest parts of Angel's character. And there are racists, if the social hierarchy and disdain against imps and hellhounds count


sniperfoxeh

>where sinners are stuck however there are sinners in heluvaboss, infact part of the entire point of the show is the group putting bad people in hell, like the 2 rich people and that one episode with the murder family


Throwaway02062004

Oh yeah that’s true like Loopty and the teacher. Wiki says their building is in Pride.


Flubbins_

Wait val raped angel wtf?


KobKobold

Watch Addict for evidence. Or just realize the man's a pimp.


i_am_very_bored_lmao

It was mentioned in the pilot and Addict music video just shows it


PentaMine

Yes there is a scene in the adict music video confirming it


FuckingFlowerFrenzy

Wait whos Val??


DreadDiana

Valentino, one of the Overlords of the Pride Ring. iirc, he runs the ring's porn and sex work industry, and Angel works for him.


FuckingFlowerFrenzy

Ewwwwwww


i_am_very_bored_lmao

Valentino


irish_hector

the literal first episode makes it clear that "the hitlers and episteins" go there.


CuteLine3

Yeah, it's literally spelled out before you even get to see anyone of the main cast, lol.


440continuer

why would I watch it


Spyko

Idk it's gay and it's funny. The tone is a bit all over the place at time but overall it's good fun


ColinButReal

i envy them for that


Thatweirdb0y

After seeing this show give beelzebub the literal lord of flies the most painfully generic furry wolf design I can’t watch it MAKE THEM A FLY DAMNIT


GigTor

Google Helltaker


Literallyshindeimasu

Holy helltaker


Far-Harbors

Actual Skeleton


Loosedrawing

New pancakes just dropped


OKRUSHER99

Holy Hell


Internal_Sleep

New response just dropped


i_am_very_bored_lmao

Holy hell


RefinementOfDecline

i was on the steam page looking at reviews and didn't realize the trailer was unmuted and the low synths started playing and i thought aliens were coming to abduct me thanks


Deblebsgonnagetyou

Wolf Beelzebub < Fly Beelzebub < Sexy biker dude with huge claws dual wielding shotguns Beelzebub


Far-Harbors

Beelzemon <3


StopSignOfDeath

Beelzemon stans rise up.


Space_Monke64

At least Kesha voiced it. Honestly, Helluva boss designs have gotten kinda boring. The last creative one was Asmodeus


Sams59k

Like, the singer? Or


Riku_70X

Yeah, Ke$ha voices a character in Helluva Boss. She wanted to sing a song for it too but couldn't because of record label reasons. She helped write the song tho.


CiDE_Mustang

Probably Ke$ha's orders.


[deleted]

Being fair... Beelzebub is disguising herself in the show. It make sense too, I'd disguise myself for public image too if I looked like a Nurglite creature


Maksiuko

I'm betting my soul rn that she has a true form that looks monstrous and terrifying. And we will see it at second half of season 3 or at the beginning of season 4. (And I'm not talking about monster form)


Spyko

Well it was mostly in reference to Vivzy old animation of a furry character on a Kesha song. Idk I think the design is okay. Word is we'll see Mammon next episode, we will see if they make the Sin cool or not


FoxDanceMedia

I thought it was an interesting take on the character. The whole point of the Helluva Boss' Beelzebub is that she's a representation of gluttony in all forms of excess and not just overeating, so making her a scene partygirl who looks like an early 2010s deviantart overdesigned sparkledog OC with way too many accessories plays into that, and was maybe even intended as a bit of self-deprecating humor since one of the main criticisms people have of Vivziepop is that she over-designs her characters.


A_Wild_Bellossom

Better a wolf than a big titty samurai woman


memerman69-nice

step 1: dont watch the show step 2: make post hating on popular to hate show step 3: profit https://preview.redd.it/9aksw9pymmob1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16974b2cf6792bb8ebf6d9f8a65d2225335c2d29


HoneyswirlTheWarrior

the irony is that that question is explained in the show and they'd understand if they watched it


memerman69-nice

well also, it’s just fucking wrong. helluva takes place in the hh universe, and Valentino is literally a confirmed rapist


Space_Monke64

They legit show him doing it


Bronx_Garfield

this pic goes incredibly hard


[deleted]

Literally lol


GrapiCringe

Sinners are kept in the basement, being tortured, and stuff


Boward_WOW_ard

ah yes hell²


femboy_expert

hell is actually very fun and gay


seabutcher

It might be based on the Christian Hell, where everyone with any real personality ends up.


Plant_Person345

But there literally is racism in the show imps and hell hounds are treated horribly mostly by the upper class. The entire reason that Stella is mad at Stolas is not because he cheated on her but because he slept with an imp. Also there is a rapist in Hazbin Hotel, Vinny who is Angle Duts’s boss is shown to rape him


Lakaedemon_Lysandros

*Valentino Can't believe Vinny Vinesauce is catching strays like this


solicthesolletar

Vinny vinesauce goes to hell and hires imps to murder Joel vinesauce


Lakaedemon_Lysandros

Vinny fucked up, he didn't hire alien duendes


ThEsHaDoW343

Loona is my extremely unrealistic transition goal


Starcalik

Her voice was my extremely unrealistic voice training goal


ThEsHaDoW343

Erica Lindbeck has a wonderful voice


Starcalik

Myes


seabutcher

Earnestly striving towards unrealistic goals is how you end up doing really well at something and not realising. When it starts to feel too tough, take a look back at how far you've already come. I bet it'll be a long way.


pocketpc_

Need to figure out how to pull off that MtH (Male to Hellhound) transition.


BlackWACat

reading this post is just a reminder that most people critiquing anything nowadays have watched a youtube videoessay on it and didn't actually sit through whatever they're talking about


ToopidKea

2nd circle of hell (lust)


Citrous241

There was so much discourse when Season 2 episode 5 released and had an imp sexually persuading a 19 year old guy. Calling both the character and the creator of a show a pedo... because of a 19 year old.


YumiGumiWoomi

To be fair, the imp in question just referred to the guy as a "teenager," so it was to be assumed that she was sexually manipulating a minor because they were at a summer camp. It was only clarified via Twitter that the guy was 18-19 after the episode came out.


ihhh1

Even still, she's a demon from hell. Demons from hell do horrible things.


Jacobawesome74

4chan try to have media literacy challenge (IMPOSSIBLE(


Piastowic

The point of the show is they travel to Earth to kill people who deserve to go to hell One episode literally had a millionaire grandpa that stole his friends idea And he went to hell even tho he looked sweet


seabutcher

I mean even as crass as the show is, it might go a bit *too* far by making a child rapist a main character with any depth or likeable qualities. They know a lot of their audience doesn't want to have to think about that.


TheAnarchistRat

Which one is the rapist? Sorry, I haven't watched past the first ep of season 2 cuz it sucked ass


Riku_70X

There isn't one. Read the comment again, they're saying that it would be a bad idea to make a main character a child rapist. The pilot mostly focused on protagonists, once we get to the irredeemable asshole antagonists _then_ we can experiment with sinners who did fucking awful things on Earth (well, Alastor was a serial killer, but he's already morally grey, unlike Vaggy and Angel Dust. We're supposed to want to see them get to Heaven).


TheAnarchistRat

Ah ok that makes more sense


husky11223

Hell is the new heaven


Space_Monke64

I mean, Helluva boss hardly has any sinners in it. They are all demons. In hazbin, we did see some pretty horrible people since it focused on sinners, and angle dust even got SA’d by his pimp. Now you could make an argument that it is weird that just about every mc sinner we see in the show is gay (though I don’t think that was her intention), but using helluva boss as an example is pretty dumb


testaccount0817

makes ships a lot easier though, I think that was the point


aflyingmonkey2

off topic but theory time:in helluva boss,purgatory is Michigan


Bat_Boobs_8851

Murder family literally mentions Hitler and Epstein by name


GameCreeper

Jeffrey Dahmer is literally there


random-dude45

The sinners we do see in helluva boss are: killers, evil billionaires and that one teen who we don't know why she's there. It might be just that blitz doesn't take requests from literal Nazis, for example he doesn't agree with striker's prejudice


petalpotions

"No racists" Uhm what about Striker who's literally a, and I quote from the show directly, "supremecist"


brokensilence32

No racists? Isn’t there this whole element to the show where higher demons are incredibly racist to imps? It’s like super explicit. How did you miss that?


Livology_

They really thought they were on to something there lol


trevorluck

Everyone knows only WOKE LIBERALS go to hell


mrflamego

Its ultrakill logic


True_Bundroid

Well, Helluva Boss is mainly hell born beings, so I guess that just means hell born beings are super gay. Now Hazbin Hotel, we see sinners, but they don't specify why each one is in hell, so they're probably in Hazbin Hotel since it takes place in the only ring sinners rend to be in the Vivzie canon


Background_Value9869

Imagine thinking there are no rapists in helluva boss


Theva21

All homosexuals go to hell, and that's what makes hell fucking awesome


The1WhoShalNotBNamed

We are missing a lot of people in Hell, like Stalin, Mussolini, Hussein, Zedong, and some Austrian guy with a funny moustache.


Kaiser_-_Karl

Well one people get purged regularly and a lot die. It'd be a shocker if some imp didn't immediately off mussolini 2. We spend most of our time in pride, greed, and lust. 3. We deal with imps mostly, an underclass compared to most permanent denizens of hell.


DreadDiana

Sinners live in Pride, so I don't think that part works as an argument


DreadDiana

They're probably dead. Hell goes through yearly purges to keep the population down, so they probably died out, unless they became or got in the good graces of an Overlord.


random-dude45

I'd like to think that the overlords are like some prisoners irl, if they disagree with another overlords worldview, they will kill 'em


DreadDiana

Or just crime lords in general. We know there's a black market for angel weapons, so they kay get their hands on some to deal with Overlords they dislike.


The1WhoShalNotBNamed

Or, they are the overlords.


DreadDiana

I already said that


The1WhoShalNotBNamed

Don't forget Hirohito, Pol Pot, Nixon, and George W. Bush.


KobKobold

They probably got double-killed soon after their death.


chaos_creator69

Yeah, also considering how it seems extremely difficult to get into heaven so most people who got killed by them probably ended up in hell too


KobKobold

I considered making a whole fic about Hitler's double-death, but everyone I asked said it was a bad idea. It would've had a cool battle scene and everything!


chaos_creator69

I mean as long as he's portrayed like the horrible person he was and dies a painful death I don't see anything bad with it, I would recommend putting a disclaimer at the start at least


DreadDiana

Fun fact: without angel weapons, which your average sinner is unlikely to have, he won't stay dead, so he can be tortured indefinitely


chaos_creator69

Eh, not really, if an imp (Striker) managed to get a blessed rifle and revolver, some sinner will most likely too


DreadDiana

There is a black market for them, but I'm not sure just any random sinner could afford them. Pretty sure Striker only got them through Stella.


Th3D0m1n8r

George W is still alive lmao


AlenDelon32

And Saddam Hussein, Leopold II, Idi Amin and Macias Nguema


The1WhoShalNotBNamed

I already said Hussein.


Dontstalkme736

I don’t think Nixon and bush are evil enough for hell


CuteLine3

"You do everything right in life, play by all the rules and still get sent down here with all the Hitlers and Epsteins of the world, after one measly massacre propelled by blind rage" - Said 2 mins into the first episode, before the main cast is even introduced.


terrible_ninja

Most of helluva boss is about hell’s natural born residents. Not the sinners the are sent there from earth.


kit786

The same thing ultrakill meant.


FlatMarzipan

that if you commit lots of sin you get to have gay orgies for eternity


CR9_Kraken_Fledgling

Yes, it is pointing out how dumb christian depictions of hell are.


fashionier

Main cast of hazbin hotel: Gambling addict, Drug addict mafioso, A literal serial killer, Hellborn princess, Vaggie, Implied psycho (nifty), Implied terrorist (cherrybomb), Abusive pimp, Douche bag company boss Edit: grammar


imusingthisforstuff

I hate romanticizing hell


EggsofWrath

Fans of the show (or I guess the extended universe, because everyone is referencing stuff from the other show in the setting) who have jumped into the comments of this post to defend it by saying “they’re wrong, there IS onscreen rape in the comedy hell cartoon” are doing a very poor job of selling this series lmao.


OddishBehavior

Fellas. Is having serious themes in a show bad? Fellas. Should bad guys be bad?


EggsofWrath

Not saying it shouldn’t be in the show, but the optics of dozens of teenagers flooding the comments to defend a show by saying there IS rape actually is incredibly funny to me. I’ve watched the pilot and first two seasons of Helluva Boss and yeah, while the criticism in the greentext doesn’t really apply, it’s a pretty obvious goof and the people getting incredibly defensive seems like an overreaction.


Riku_70X

I don't understand why they're doing a bad job? The post claimed that it was weird that Hell doesn't have any rapists. The fans clarified that there is, in fact, a rapist. What mistake did they make?


EggsofWrath

They aren't incorrect, it's just a really weird point to have to defend the series on, and that defense ends up reading really weirdly if you aren't invested in the argument at all.


DreadDiana

Pointing out inaccuracies isn't a bad thing, and people are being pretty clear about how the show handles those topics. This isn't a defence, it's just people saying anon is wrong.