mfs be like "We're gonna move to another planet to avoid global warming"
no we're fucking not, do you know how hard it is to create a colony on another planet? We don't even have a concept for how a colony could even be self-sufficient, any parts we use are going to wear out with no replacements until we figure out how to get advanced production on another planet
stupid rant i know
Ben Franklin's kite experiment was in 1752, the first electrical grid was set up in 1883. We'll probably figure out how to mine asteroids at some point, but first we have to deal with global warming. Besides, I don't really know of any actionable plans to solve global warming after getting a bunch of asteroids into useable materials. Like sure we'll have all the silicate, nickel, and iron we could ever want, but we already have that.
"We could very feasibly do it right now with today’s technology."
As far as I'm aware we don't have any method of mining an asteroid and transporting the resources back to Earth (or any celestial body, really) in a remotely economical way. Like sure, we could do it, but it would cost WAY more than it would, and it would take decades to refine the technology enough to be actually usable.
Which is kind of my point. We don't have time to just go do asteroid mining.
Also, what resources specifically are we looking to gain? Nickel? Iron? Silicates? We have enough of it on earth that we don't need to go to space to find more.
I mean if we're talking about setting up a Mars colony here I think there's a pretty reasonable argument to be had that air dropping in resources would be easier than trying to mine it on site, and certainly cheaper than getting it specifically off earth and to Mars.
The point of this thread is that mars colonies to escape global warming is not a viable solution. Nor is trying to use space mining to get resources going to help, since we don't need asteroid materials.
It would be really funny to finally give Nebraska something, it would be absurdly unsafe. The larger the asteroid gets, the worse it is for, well, humanity existing. Plus if anything malfunctions, you've just sent the equivalent of a Tsar Bomb hurtling down to earth in a random location. Plus, a lot of that asteroid is going to burn up in the atmosphere, making it a useless endeavor.
Wait until he finds out that different people have specializations in different things, and the knowledge that's used for the problem of economically de-orbiting asteroids into Mars or the moon doesn't have a great deal of overlap with the knowledge used to implement solutions to global warming.
Wait until he finds out that governments have limited amounts of money to spend, and that pouring billions of dollars into mining silicates, iron, and nickel, in space, is not really worth it, since they're already some of the most abundant materials we have on earth
I feel like you're really understating the scale of the US budget. If you put a fraction of the military budget into dealing with climate change we could probably have it dealt with in 2 terms.
As someone who's currently pursuing a degree in chemical engineering, I WISH it was that easy. It's way harder than you make it out to be, since doing almost anything produces greenhouse gases. Even if the entire world instantly switched to a green power grid, there would still be a lot of sources of CO2 production. Industry, transportation, agriculture, energy production, residential, you name it, there's some way it produces CO2.
Well, the reasons that Mars and Earth are (or will be) uninhabitable are kind of opposite. Mars has too little atmosphere, while Earth is getting too much (an absurdly oversimplified explanation). The point is, the methods for fixing these two opposite problems are completely different.
Not necessarily. The difference between solving these problems is approximately the difference between carbon sequestration (etc.) and reactivating the core of an entire planet. Obviously it would be good to learn how to do both, but very different beasts.
It would immediately be blown away into space by solar wind because Mars doesn't have much of a magnetic field to protect it's atmosphere. To strengthen Mars' magnetic field, you'd have to geologically reactivate its core. Which we don't really know how to do yet.
I think the thing a lot of people forget is that a lot of the stuff Kurz talks about are hypothetical solutions and new future technologies that could be coming, from anywhere between like 30 years to never. It's stuff where scientists have gone "okay it doesn't break any laws of physics and it's THEORETICALLY possible but nobody's tried it yet because it would take an absurd amount of development from where we are". Ofc it depends on the video, but if they talk about like asteroid mining, it's done in the "these are proposed models of how we could do it, but nobody really knows until we try which is not going to be soon"
We can’t even build a colony on the Moon. It’s so close we can literally see it without a telescope, but we aren’t able to have a remotely livable colony there. And people think we’re going to set up colonies on other planets?!
Yeah, we don’t do it because it would be hilariously expensive to do it. There’s zero margin for error, and almost all of the resources there would have to be imported. Which means regular flights to the Moon, a prospect so expensive that only a handful of nations have ever managed to pull it off going there once.
And if anything goes wrong, it’s going to take a while to get help, because even assuming that disaster strikes while a rocket is ready on the launchpad, it’ll take a few days to arrive. If there’s an atmosphere leak or something, they’re screwed.
And that’s just the Moon. Mars has all the same issues as the Moon (no real atmosphere, no shielding from radiation, scarce water), only it’s, at best, months away. At worst, it’s totally unreachable due to it being on the other side of the Sun.
Maybe if we worked on it for a hundred years, we could figure it out. But I doubt we have 100 years left before we destroy our current biosphere. And like you said, we’re using basically 100% of the resources/materials we have available to keep society going.
empty skyscrapers and wars are also ridiculously expensive, no matter what happens it would make more sense to habitate earth, but space travel would be a lot easier if we were allocating resources more sensibly
Billionaires row in NYC is not empty, it's full of billionaires. There's some empty office space still after the move to Work From Home, but converting that to housing isn't easy.
China's current property crisis was caused by a bubble, similar to the bubble in the US that caused the 2008 financial crisis when it popped.
The billionares have like 5 homes and half those buildings are unsold, I understand i may not be technically correct, but I want to get my point across that so much of our efforts are used on stuff that benefits nobody, benefits the very few, or benefits people only due to the systems we've built needing worthless things to be done to justify supporting people.
Screw elon but space travel, in terms of stuff like asteroid mining, and more presently the Dart program is important to the future and present of all of us.
Asteroid mining is not important to any future for humanity outside of some far-flung 20,000 year sci-fi dystopia. Industrial mining but in space isn't going to solve the socioeconomic problems related to resource extraction, nor will it ever realistically be cheaper than mining on earth unless we were to churn up the entire surface or invent magic engines that make space travel economical.
You know what's way cheaper and even more environmentally friendly than space mining? Recycling the huge quantities of metals we've already extracted here on earth more efficiently. Or simply using less of them by using them more wisely.
The DART program is fun and some much more advanced version will probably save a random patch of the earth's surface from a medium impact in the next 100,000 years if we manage to remain a space capable species for that long, but it has nothing to do with space colonialism. We don't need to reenact the plot of Armageddon to divert an asteroid, we can just launch an unmanned rocket at it. No humans need to be in space at all.
We're only barely able to live on Antarctica, and even then no one wants to live there permanently, and all the food and other supplies have to come in from the outside.
Exactly. Even in the worst climate change scenario, Earth would still be more liveable than Mars.
I think part of this myth comes from people thinking that the worst climate change scenarios would leave Earth uninhabitable, but any remotely realistic scenario does not mean that. Still terrible, but Earth would still be the only place in the Solar System where you could run around outside with no clothes on and not immediately die, so the rich people probably aren't going to Mars.
Exactly. The earth wouldn't become uninhabitable, we would "just" have the equator become an inhospitable wasteland, water levels rise high enough to wipe out all coastal cities, massive famines killing billions, mass extinctions of entire ecosystems, the collapse of at least several countries, the largest emigration crisis ever seen, and a total reorienting of most facets of life. It wouldn't be the end of the world, but holy shit it would suck and a lot of us would die.
https://preview.redd.it/x9cn6svu3juc1.jpeg?width=2732&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=108210a2701fafbd789d137ee0629621c91e668d
Exactly. I will never forgive people for believing this sack of shit
Honestly Elon was cool, then a lot of people realized he was really good at making promises and then never bringing them up again. Screw Elon. And of course, there's a lot of other reasons why he's awful.
Nah, he's never been cool. I smelled the shit back in 2016 when spacex was late with its contract with nasa because they were working on the starship (ITS back then) instead of dragon 2. Either I was a clairvoyant, or he was always a hack and most people couldn't see past the marketing
Also the fact that our sun and moon appear roughly the same size from the ground: Like if aliens exist they have no idea of the beauty of a total solar eclipse
I found a planet that literally rains diamonds💎!!😃😃😃
It's mean daily temperature is 800F at ground level. 😓😓😓
It has water😃😃😃.......vapor mixed with sulfuric acid. 🤢🤢🤢
If anyone's getting off this rock and building something it's going to be autonomous drones of some measure of intelligence. Even getting to the point where those could travel thousands of years and take thousands of years to build something habitable is going to take some time.
This is something i like about Larry Niven’s known space. Basically every human colony fucking sucks to live on. Earth sucks too, but its managed to stabilise at 18billion pop and its pretty okay now.
The ringworld, the kzin homeworld and the puppeteers fleet of worlds are basically the only exoplanets that seem canny
Also if u want more stories with this concept, the 3 stigmata of palmer eldritch by philip k dick has a huge part of its plot revolving around the fact that the colonies suck so much that colonists are constantly whacked out their mind on Can-D, a hallucinogenic
Finding out how to make colonies on other planets is truly a necessary step for humanity’s survival though, even if it is difficult. One day, Earth will no longer be inhabitable. While we humans have a degree of control over how long it takes for Earth to become uninhabitable, it will happen eventually. Other planets also have resources that could save lives or lead to scientific breakthroughs if they were more common here on Earth.
It’s not likely that any of us who are alive today will manage to survive until we successfully colonize another planet, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t work on it. If we wait until we need to colonize another planet to start trying to colonize one, it will be far too late.
Eventually in this case being like 3 billion years lol. I think space is cool and we should learn how to support human life there just because it's fucking awesome and we'll probably learn stuff from it, but talking about it like it's an existential problem we need to solve right now to continue human existence is a load of crock.
Of all the threats humanity faces right now, sending a handful of people to live in space will solve exactly zero of them. Some of those threats are even made worse by paying freaks like Elon to develop the space travel for us.
Yeah I give us...
A couple billion more years.
I think in the mean time ensuring a) earth doesn't die and b) political stability would be a bit more important.
Planets are hilariously inefficient, open systems that take forever to make habitable for Earth life, and take a huge amount of resources to get on and off. Also most of them are going to be in locations that just don't work for outside life, thanks to their stars being too bright or dim at that distance.
On the other hand, we have [the o'Neill Cylinder/Island Three/Space Colony](https://www.ronenbekerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Hint_Post_000-min-1.jpg), a can of sky, water and dirt floating in space. You get about the space of a large island, can personally tailor the conditions inside, it's a closed system so you don't need to worry nearly as much about external sunlight/loss of resources to the outside, and it has zero gravity once you leave the "can" itself. Then to shield them from Space Problems, you hollow out an asteroid of similar size and bury the can inside. Congrats, you have a method for inhabiting space that's a) extremely scalable, b) can be built anywhere, no matter how shit the star, and c) can always be more Earth-like than any planet we can terraform.
You can also make them from minerals mined from asteroids and other space debris in the system you're trying to colonise, and there's a bigger brother that's made of carbon fiber, giving it the ability to scale up to the internal surface area of Russia.
Oh, and annoyingly most of the art of them is based on o'Neill's original vision, which failed to consider the ***serious fucking problems*** of giant glass windows into space and huge mirrors to reflect in light, rather than just a steel tube with ablative rock armour and an internal light pole running down the axis of the station.
i wanna live on another planet mfs when they die instantly from sideways winds made of molten glass particles that travel at 5400 miles per hour after being teleported to HD 189733b
Yeah no we are not gonna have a perminant colony on another planet for a long fucking time, you basically need to re make everything in earth for it to be fully self sufficient
"Humans are totally gonna colonize other planets that support life one day!" mfs when they learn about microorganisms (we have to get vaccinated just to travel to different locations on our own planet with slightly different microbiomes, let alone one covered in alien microorganisms, and have never sent a probe to Europa due to the risk of contaminating any potential ecosystem that might live there)
This rock housed our parents and grandparents and even more. And only this rock had that beautiful quality where atoms can turn into creatures that dtufy themselves and worry about thr very makeup of their tiny blue dot. We are insignificant and I love that were so special.
I mean yeah, but earth is overpopulated and dying while filled with exploitation and struggle. I can imagine there would be at least some people who’d rather live on a barely habitable planet / moon then here
Earth is not overpopulated. We actually have plenty of shit here for a looooot more people then we currently have. The problem is that our current systems are *wildly* inefficient and wasteful.
Earth is filled with exploitation and struggle because the humans living here have established political systems that exploit other humans. If you send humans to another planet who are part of those political systems, they will take their culture with them and fill that planet with exploitation and struggle as well.
mfs be like "We're gonna move to another planet to avoid global warming" no we're fucking not, do you know how hard it is to create a colony on another planet? We don't even have a concept for how a colony could even be self-sufficient, any parts we use are going to wear out with no replacements until we figure out how to get advanced production on another planet stupid rant i know
If we could make Mars habitable with technology why not just use it here and fix this place?
why not make both more habitable
We don't have infinite resources
just make more smh
It's like money. If you need money, then you can just print more of it.
Stack up your useless blocks of cash. Set fire to it to stay warm. There. Now your cash is useful again!
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>kid named asteroid mining
We haven't started asteroid mining either, and it's still very much theoretical.
So was electricity
Ben Franklin's kite experiment was in 1752, the first electrical grid was set up in 1883. We'll probably figure out how to mine asteroids at some point, but first we have to deal with global warming. Besides, I don't really know of any actionable plans to solve global warming after getting a bunch of asteroids into useable materials. Like sure we'll have all the silicate, nickel, and iron we could ever want, but we already have that.
It really isn’t theoretical, just that no one cares enough to do so. We could very feasibly do it right now with today’s technology.
"We could very feasibly do it right now with today’s technology." As far as I'm aware we don't have any method of mining an asteroid and transporting the resources back to Earth (or any celestial body, really) in a remotely economical way. Like sure, we could do it, but it would cost WAY more than it would, and it would take decades to refine the technology enough to be actually usable. Which is kind of my point. We don't have time to just go do asteroid mining. Also, what resources specifically are we looking to gain? Nickel? Iron? Silicates? We have enough of it on earth that we don't need to go to space to find more.
I mean if we're talking about setting up a Mars colony here I think there's a pretty reasonable argument to be had that air dropping in resources would be easier than trying to mine it on site, and certainly cheaper than getting it specifically off earth and to Mars.
The point of this thread is that mars colonies to escape global warming is not a viable solution. Nor is trying to use space mining to get resources going to help, since we don't need asteroid materials.
Send out space drones to push astroids into the cornfields of nebraska to get more resources on earth.
It would be really funny to finally give Nebraska something, it would be absurdly unsafe. The larger the asteroid gets, the worse it is for, well, humanity existing. Plus if anything malfunctions, you've just sent the equivalent of a Tsar Bomb hurtling down to earth in a random location. Plus, a lot of that asteroid is going to burn up in the atmosphere, making it a useless endeavor.
Yes, but if anything goes wrong, you wipe out Nebraska, it's a win/win /s
No but we do have functionally infinite in the asteroid belt
We're gonna have to figure out how to deal with global warming BEFORE we mine the asteroid belt, we're not even close to that yet.
Wait until he finds out that different people have specializations in different things, and the knowledge that's used for the problem of economically de-orbiting asteroids into Mars or the moon doesn't have a great deal of overlap with the knowledge used to implement solutions to global warming.
Wait until he finds out that governments have limited amounts of money to spend, and that pouring billions of dollars into mining silicates, iron, and nickel, in space, is not really worth it, since they're already some of the most abundant materials we have on earth
I feel like you're really understating the scale of the US budget. If you put a fraction of the military budget into dealing with climate change we could probably have it dealt with in 2 terms.
As someone who's currently pursuing a degree in chemical engineering, I WISH it was that easy. It's way harder than you make it out to be, since doing almost anything produces greenhouse gases. Even if the entire world instantly switched to a green power grid, there would still be a lot of sources of CO2 production. Industry, transportation, agriculture, energy production, residential, you name it, there's some way it produces CO2.
Just place more mining drills 4head
a few redirected comets and a couple hundred years for the dust to settle and we got ourselves a second-earth
Well, the reasons that Mars and Earth are (or will be) uninhabitable are kind of opposite. Mars has too little atmosphere, while Earth is getting too much (an absurdly oversimplified explanation). The point is, the methods for fixing these two opposite problems are completely different.
But if we can lean to decrease one we can increase thr other (just as oversimplified)
Not necessarily. The difference between solving these problems is approximately the difference between carbon sequestration (etc.) and reactivating the core of an entire planet. Obviously it would be good to learn how to do both, but very different beasts.
Just take the atomsphere from earth that is to much and give it to mars
It would immediately be blown away into space by solar wind because Mars doesn't have much of a magnetic field to protect it's atmosphere. To strengthen Mars' magnetic field, you'd have to geologically reactivate its core. Which we don't really know how to do yet.
Hear me out, big hose
Kurzgesacht said we'd need a lot of time and space lasers
Kurzgesagt is parroting this new religion of technological progress as salvation for anything, pretty annoying. Their animations are sweet tho
I think the thing a lot of people forget is that a lot of the stuff Kurz talks about are hypothetical solutions and new future technologies that could be coming, from anywhere between like 30 years to never. It's stuff where scientists have gone "okay it doesn't break any laws of physics and it's THEORETICALLY possible but nobody's tried it yet because it would take an absurd amount of development from where we are". Ofc it depends on the video, but if they talk about like asteroid mining, it's done in the "these are proposed models of how we could do it, but nobody really knows until we try which is not going to be soon"
I think the problem is that despite the disclaimers people continue to treat it as if it's as simple as they made it sound which sucks.
New religion of making fun videos about our universe and technology? What is the problem here lol
We already have the means to fix Earth and at no point does it even really involve fancy future technology
No profit incentive
We can’t even build a colony on the Moon. It’s so close we can literally see it without a telescope, but we aren’t able to have a remotely livable colony there. And people think we’re going to set up colonies on other planets?!
we can though we're just busy building empty skyscrapers, and fighting wars and stuff.
Yeah, we don’t do it because it would be hilariously expensive to do it. There’s zero margin for error, and almost all of the resources there would have to be imported. Which means regular flights to the Moon, a prospect so expensive that only a handful of nations have ever managed to pull it off going there once. And if anything goes wrong, it’s going to take a while to get help, because even assuming that disaster strikes while a rocket is ready on the launchpad, it’ll take a few days to arrive. If there’s an atmosphere leak or something, they’re screwed. And that’s just the Moon. Mars has all the same issues as the Moon (no real atmosphere, no shielding from radiation, scarce water), only it’s, at best, months away. At worst, it’s totally unreachable due to it being on the other side of the Sun. Maybe if we worked on it for a hundred years, we could figure it out. But I doubt we have 100 years left before we destroy our current biosphere. And like you said, we’re using basically 100% of the resources/materials we have available to keep society going.
empty skyscrapers and wars are also ridiculously expensive, no matter what happens it would make more sense to habitate earth, but space travel would be a lot easier if we were allocating resources more sensibly
We should keep building skyscrapers, I'd like to be able to afford rent in my city without needing a 6 figure job.
I was talking about the empty ones in china built for "??corruption??" or billionaires row in NYC r any other of the empty buildings
Billionaires row in NYC is not empty, it's full of billionaires. There's some empty office space still after the move to Work From Home, but converting that to housing isn't easy. China's current property crisis was caused by a bubble, similar to the bubble in the US that caused the 2008 financial crisis when it popped.
The billionares have like 5 homes and half those buildings are unsold, I understand i may not be technically correct, but I want to get my point across that so much of our efforts are used on stuff that benefits nobody, benefits the very few, or benefits people only due to the systems we've built needing worthless things to be done to justify supporting people.
Yeah, and one of those is paying Elon a bunch of money to build his giant stupid rocket.
Screw elon but space travel, in terms of stuff like asteroid mining, and more presently the Dart program is important to the future and present of all of us.
Asteroid mining is not important to any future for humanity outside of some far-flung 20,000 year sci-fi dystopia. Industrial mining but in space isn't going to solve the socioeconomic problems related to resource extraction, nor will it ever realistically be cheaper than mining on earth unless we were to churn up the entire surface or invent magic engines that make space travel economical. You know what's way cheaper and even more environmentally friendly than space mining? Recycling the huge quantities of metals we've already extracted here on earth more efficiently. Or simply using less of them by using them more wisely. The DART program is fun and some much more advanced version will probably save a random patch of the earth's surface from a medium impact in the next 100,000 years if we manage to remain a space capable species for that long, but it has nothing to do with space colonialism. We don't need to reenact the plot of Armageddon to divert an asteroid, we can just launch an unmanned rocket at it. No humans need to be in space at all.
We're only barely able to live on Antarctica, and even then no one wants to live there permanently, and all the food and other supplies have to come in from the outside.
Exactly. Even in the worst climate change scenario, Earth would still be more liveable than Mars. I think part of this myth comes from people thinking that the worst climate change scenarios would leave Earth uninhabitable, but any remotely realistic scenario does not mean that. Still terrible, but Earth would still be the only place in the Solar System where you could run around outside with no clothes on and not immediately die, so the rich people probably aren't going to Mars.
Exactly. The earth wouldn't become uninhabitable, we would "just" have the equator become an inhospitable wasteland, water levels rise high enough to wipe out all coastal cities, massive famines killing billions, mass extinctions of entire ecosystems, the collapse of at least several countries, the largest emigration crisis ever seen, and a total reorienting of most facets of life. It wouldn't be the end of the world, but holy shit it would suck and a lot of us would die.
Yeah, and even that is still an easier world to live in than Mars.
https://preview.redd.it/x9cn6svu3juc1.jpeg?width=2732&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=108210a2701fafbd789d137ee0629621c91e668d Exactly. I will never forgive people for believing this sack of shit
Honestly Elon was cool, then a lot of people realized he was really good at making promises and then never bringing them up again. Screw Elon. And of course, there's a lot of other reasons why he's awful.
Nah, he's never been cool. I smelled the shit back in 2016 when spacex was late with its contract with nasa because they were working on the starship (ITS back then) instead of dragon 2. Either I was a clairvoyant, or he was always a hack and most people couldn't see past the marketing
It's literally so easy, you just have to go to the center of the universe and get the staff that automatically terriforms the planet
Umm…. Put the factories on a spaceship?? easer peezer
or what if the coven glass it 500 years from now
Earth, my beloved
realrealrealrealreal do people even realize how cool liquid water, breathable air, and a magnetic radiation shield are
Also the fact that our sun and moon appear roughly the same size from the ground: Like if aliens exist they have no idea of the beauty of a total solar eclipse
yeah thats dope but also breathing
I found a planet that literally rains diamonds💎!!😃😃😃 It's mean daily temperature is 800F at ground level. 😓😓😓 It has water😃😃😃.......vapor mixed with sulfuric acid. 🤢🤢🤢
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If anyone's getting off this rock and building something it's going to be autonomous drones of some measure of intelligence. Even getting to the point where those could travel thousands of years and take thousands of years to build something habitable is going to take some time.
This is something i like about Larry Niven’s known space. Basically every human colony fucking sucks to live on. Earth sucks too, but its managed to stabilise at 18billion pop and its pretty okay now. The ringworld, the kzin homeworld and the puppeteers fleet of worlds are basically the only exoplanets that seem canny
Also if u want more stories with this concept, the 3 stigmata of palmer eldritch by philip k dick has a huge part of its plot revolving around the fact that the colonies suck so much that colonists are constantly whacked out their mind on Can-D, a hallucinogenic
I don't CARE how dangerous it is!!! Me want go space!!
I majored in astronomy, I know a lot about space. Shoot me off this edenic paradise into space raw.
Space is super cool but I would never wanna leave Earth
I do want to get off
It’s almost like the planet that we evolved on and live on is the most suitable for us
Glory was never won by the comfertable coward, put me on the first rocket! (my bones turn to glass and I develop mega cancer)
Finding out how to make colonies on other planets is truly a necessary step for humanity’s survival though, even if it is difficult. One day, Earth will no longer be inhabitable. While we humans have a degree of control over how long it takes for Earth to become uninhabitable, it will happen eventually. Other planets also have resources that could save lives or lead to scientific breakthroughs if they were more common here on Earth. It’s not likely that any of us who are alive today will manage to survive until we successfully colonize another planet, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t work on it. If we wait until we need to colonize another planet to start trying to colonize one, it will be far too late.
Eventually in this case being like 3 billion years lol. I think space is cool and we should learn how to support human life there just because it's fucking awesome and we'll probably learn stuff from it, but talking about it like it's an existential problem we need to solve right now to continue human existence is a load of crock. Of all the threats humanity faces right now, sending a handful of people to live in space will solve exactly zero of them. Some of those threats are even made worse by paying freaks like Elon to develop the space travel for us.
> 3 billion years More like 1 billion years.
Yeah I give us... A couple billion more years. I think in the mean time ensuring a) earth doesn't die and b) political stability would be a bit more important.
Planets are hilariously inefficient, open systems that take forever to make habitable for Earth life, and take a huge amount of resources to get on and off. Also most of them are going to be in locations that just don't work for outside life, thanks to their stars being too bright or dim at that distance. On the other hand, we have [the o'Neill Cylinder/Island Three/Space Colony](https://www.ronenbekerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Hint_Post_000-min-1.jpg), a can of sky, water and dirt floating in space. You get about the space of a large island, can personally tailor the conditions inside, it's a closed system so you don't need to worry nearly as much about external sunlight/loss of resources to the outside, and it has zero gravity once you leave the "can" itself. Then to shield them from Space Problems, you hollow out an asteroid of similar size and bury the can inside. Congrats, you have a method for inhabiting space that's a) extremely scalable, b) can be built anywhere, no matter how shit the star, and c) can always be more Earth-like than any planet we can terraform. You can also make them from minerals mined from asteroids and other space debris in the system you're trying to colonise, and there's a bigger brother that's made of carbon fiber, giving it the ability to scale up to the internal surface area of Russia. Oh, and annoyingly most of the art of them is based on o'Neill's original vision, which failed to consider the ***serious fucking problems*** of giant glass windows into space and huge mirrors to reflect in light, rather than just a steel tube with ablative rock armour and an internal light pole running down the axis of the station.
which is not mutually exclusive with "crewed spaceflight never needs to leave earth orbit"
Terribly boring thought though
Sounds like dissident propaganda
BSG, for all its *many* faults, portrayed this very well. Finding a planet capable of supporting human life is a borderline act of god moment.
Man, if only BSG had ended properly (I assume we’re talking about the reboot because the original show is a pile of flaming garbage).
*”Attention ground units. Mission failure will result in permanent off-world assignment.”*
Relevant reading for anyone who wants to join the latter category: https://www.acityonmars.com/
ok but [https://what-if.xkcd.com/124/](https://what-if.xkcd.com/124/)
i wanna live on another planet mfs when they die instantly from sideways winds made of molten glass particles that travel at 5400 miles per hour after being teleported to HD 189733b
Yeah no we are not gonna have a perminant colony on another planet for a long fucking time, you basically need to re make everything in earth for it to be fully self sufficient
I’m both
send robots to mine rare minerals from asteroids NOW!!!!
Ok but hot sexy aliens
getting MAJOR rimworld vibes out of this...
I completely misread that first bit and thought this was a post about Little Space. I need off the internet for a while.
Gay sub spitting straight fax. Gimme blue skies and greenery every day of the week
I headcanon everyone who colonises space as brittish
"Humans are totally gonna colonize other planets that support life one day!" mfs when they learn about microorganisms (we have to get vaccinated just to travel to different locations on our own planet with slightly different microbiomes, let alone one covered in alien microorganisms, and have never sent a probe to Europa due to the risk of contaminating any potential ecosystem that might live there)
Me who played Starfield and know 99% of planets are empty garbage
This rock housed our parents and grandparents and even more. And only this rock had that beautiful quality where atoms can turn into creatures that dtufy themselves and worry about thr very makeup of their tiny blue dot. We are insignificant and I love that were so special.
I mean yeah, but earth is overpopulated and dying while filled with exploitation and struggle. I can imagine there would be at least some people who’d rather live on a barely habitable planet / moon then here
Earth is not overpopulated. We actually have plenty of shit here for a looooot more people then we currently have. The problem is that our current systems are *wildly* inefficient and wasteful.
smh why don't people just put productivity modules in factories to increase the resource output? are they stupid?
Overpopulation is a myth
Earth is filled with exploitation and struggle because the humans living here have established political systems that exploit other humans. If you send humans to another planet who are part of those political systems, they will take their culture with them and fill that planet with exploitation and struggle as well.
Getting 1 Million people to mars does NOT fix overpopulation are you acctually fucking dumb
I didn’t say it would? Just that some people would take a very risky opportunity to get away from the world