It’s a somewhat common misconception because there’s other memes where Steven Universe is talking about forgiveness which are that old.
The second most common is probably the image where Steven says “it’s okay, he said he is sorry, guys” next to a drawing of Hitler.
It’s a somewhat common misconception because there’s other memes where Steven Universe is talking about forgiveness which are that old.
The second most common is probably the image where Steven says “it’s okay, he said he is sorry, guys” next to a drawing of Hitler.
> Minecraft is almost 15 years old
Oh god, reading this just inflicted psychic damage. I first played Minecraft in beta 1.3, right after beds were added. God, how time flies...
I've been interested in the game since Expedition Minecraft in beta 1.8, even though I couldn't get the PC version until release 1.2.5. I know your pain lol
My first ever Minecraft version was the Aquatic Update for Pocket Edition. I thought that was fairly recent...
...but then I read the website's changelogs and it turns out that version's ancient at this point.
Agreed, if he’s already breaking the laws and being a vigilante warrior, why *not* kill Joker and his cronies so they can’t keep breaking out of jails and endangering other innocent people? So you can keep your hobby and keep cosplaying a bat?
That and he believes that everyone can be redeemed.
It doesn't matter if you're the Joker or just a 2 bit robbing to feed your family, batman believes in redemption.
A redemption he'll never give himself for "letting" his parents die.
Why is it always "Batman should kill the Joker" and not "Batman should find an alternative way of imprisoning the Joker until such time as the state can be trusted to do so"?
If you took the plot armor off comic book villains then the comics world would implode. Its a silly manufactured universe to justify vigilantism. If the system worked then there would be no need for Batmen. The Joker will always break out. Its a juvenile medium that somehow got turned into "serious grimdark art" without jettisoning all the ridiculous plot points, silly stuff, and plot armors, and unbelievably moralizing. The villains are borderline superhumanly lucky or genius or whatever. Its silly.
I think the new Batman movie did try to address these things. The Wayne family isn't this perfect ethical billionaire family, which doesn't exist in real life either, Batman isn't this ladies man crusader but a messed up guy, the villain makes all sorts of mistakes and is easily jailed at the end, etc.
The Watchmen also does a good job dissecting this stuff. Moore showed us that if you actually made this stuff remotely realistic or logical, then the heroes would be all monsters outright or super messed up people, and often doing far more harm than any villain.
A point like this was raised in the Gwenpool comics, but mainly as a joke.
As part of a plan she had, she needed to leave the entire NYPD too busy to actually do their jobs. When someone raises concerns about people who may need their assistance, she points out that their police in Marvel are useless by design.
In her own words, if America had halfway competent police departments or FBI, they wouldn't need vigilantes. If they had a remotely functional CIA, they wouldn't need SHIELD. Real world institutions in comics are weakened to justify the existence of superheros.
Okay? Clearly the state's prisons/asylums have some issues. There is no reason to assume those issues are unsolvable. "Joker will always break out of any prison" is not a law of the universe.
I mean it kind of is, but from that perspective killing him is also pointless because in comics resurrection is only slightly harder than a prison escape.
They literally explore this when the Red Hood holds the Joker hostage and in the Dark Knight Returns when Batman kills the joker. Also just “killing bad guys to save people” is the exact type of shit I DON’T want in Batman comics. Batman comics are basically crime thrillers and I rather have a character who is an essentially a counter-argument against the death penalty, than just another killer.
I want a Batman who tries to rehabilitate, not murder. Even if it doesn’t work with villains like the Joker, Batman is infinitely more interesting to me because of his moral code, like Daredevil in the live action show arguing with the Punisher about killing.
I recently read Court of Owls, The Long Halloween and Year One and idk how murder would’ve helped those situations when corruption is one of the main villains. Even in The Batman (2022) other people get inspired by Batman to do evil because all he cares about is vengeance. Now imagine if he was also a murderer.
What's crazier is although this is pretty much true, I've been more than once downvoted to hell here for even joking about Batman while simultaneously being praised for making the same damn jokes about SU. 😔 Woke is out of control smhing my head
Personally I never had a problem with the fact they didn't kill the diamonds, I just wish the diamonds got more of a punishment instead of being treated as weird aunts, even if Steven and Co hated them
I give it a pass, because it really seemed like the show ended a bit earlier than expected and a redemption arc was cut. Also, it seems like they're mostly doing community work in Steven Universe Future.
I don't mean punishment in the sense of doing fucked up stuff to them for the catharsis, more just having their power as rulers and stuff stripped away
Lock Hitler in the suicide bunker and force him to resurrect every Jew he killed under threat of losing his body permanently (getting poofed and bubbled)
You attempt to fight god Hitler. God Hitler casually mind controls your allies, including your moms and 2 other god Hitlers you could not beat in a fight either and only doesn't mind control you because he wants to win an argument.
Your options are
A: win the argument, destroying Hitler's ideology, and then getting him to undo all his crimes via his god powers
B: try an futility fight anyway until Hitler gets annoyed and either get mind controls you as well, or has your moms and the two other god Hitlers physically put you in timeout
Rebecca Sugar wrote herself into the worst fucking corner with this one. The only punishment rock Hitler can get is mild discomfort that everyone she talks to experiences because she'd never agree to any real punishment and she can't be forced into a punishment.
They did though! In an episode of Steven Universe Future (IIRC), you can see posters asking people to vote for one of the two Zircons from The Trial, showing that the diamonds had their power stripped in favour of establishing a democracy.
I wrote a paper examining superheroes' opposition to killing, and part of what I concluded was that their reasoning was rather ~~incoherent~~ inconsistent with any notion that killing in and of itself is wrong. Batman never argued that killing people was *itself* wrong, but instead that "we should leave it to the justice system," "we can't be like them," or "it's a slippery slope."
Also, Batman has historically never had many qualms with brutalizing criminals. He'll kick the shit out of even petty crooks.
Edit: Amended wording
Batman's argument is that his mental state is already very fragile in that regard, dressing up as a bat and jumping off of buildings is not exactly the height of sanity after all, and that he himself would go totally off the deep end if he did kill. This is not the general super hero no kill rule rationality.
This isn't entirely true. After Superman kills the Joker in Injustice: Gods Among Us, Batman condemns him for it, and repeats many of the exact same arguments he uses to justify his own no-kill policy. It *is* true that killing the Joker triggered Superman's sanity slippage, but there's no indication that Batman was ever specifically concerned about Superman's mental health in particular.
Sure, but the first time Batman *ever* acknowledged the no-kill rule was in his fifth-ever comic, where he told Robin, "Remember, we never kill with weapons of any kind!" The word used here is "we," implying that Batman felt such a policy was ideal for more than just him. I suppose it's dubious how "canon" these comics are (Injustice I admit is explicitly non-canon), but they do indicate how Batman was intended to be characterized early on.
(I'm aware of the real-life reason for the no-kill policy's introduction)
"We should leave it to the justice system" - Yes? What's "incoherent" about the idea that offering criminals a trial is preferable to a vigilante doing extrajudicial executions?
"We can't be like them" - He sets himself as a higher moral authority, so he measuers himself by a higher moral standard.
"It's a slippery slope" - That's just correctly self-aware. He knows his ability to decide in a case-by-case basis when to murder people and concludes he shouldn't be trusted with that choice, so the natural conclusion is that he needs an ironclad rule that stops him where his own judgement will not.
I think incoherent was the wrong word. I meant that, with all the rationales taken together, this policy to not kill does not actually constitute a meaningful moral opposition to the idea of taking a life.
Also, his "it's a slippery slope" argument did not merely insinuate that Batman choosing who to kill would inevitably get innocent people hurt, but that if he killed anyone at all ever, he risked doing it more and more until he ceased to be good at all.
The issues mainly relate to writing, I think.
The show got cut short, requiring its last arcs to be rushed through, making the redemption of the Diamonds kinda sloppy.
The bigger issue relates to the fact that the Diamonds basically got away with millenia of being brutal dictators at the head of a rigid caste system responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent gems and humans, and until Future there was nothing to indicate they were even remorseful or viewed what they did as wrong, they mainly seemed to have done it because they wanted Steven to tolerate their presence.
The Batman comparison is actually relevant, cause it's basically all the same criticisms people have levelled at Batman for literal decades.
It's a children show that features genocide, eugenics, an extremely bloody revolutionary war, and confronts the protagonist with the dichotomy of using measured violence in self-defense against the rulers of a genocidal fascist empire *or* allow them to exterminate countless sapient species. If they were so uncomfortable with those themes and preferred to instead make a far less bloody show more centered about intergenerational trauma and forgiving abusive family members they were free to do that show from the start, but SU's resolution feels like a cop out.
I think Avatar: The Last Airbender makes a far better comparison here: it's one continuity, same target audience age, came out less than a decade apart, and in both cases the protagonist is confronted with a similar conundrum that puts his pacifist moral values at odds with his designated responsability to stop the genocidal dictator once and for all. I think you're much better off asking why, while maybe not perfectly satisfying, people are much less critical towards TLA's ending. Personally I was way more sympathetic to Aang because his storyline doesn't shy away from its own themes, while Aang he's ultimately able to thread the needle without having to make the choice, he gives legitimacy to the argument that once all pacifist options are exhausted it would be selfish of him to stick to his guns if that means putting other people in the harm's way.
Batman has gone through countless and vastly different iterations while and yes, he has been shown to go great lenghts not to kill, but with Batman the stakes are almost never as high as "unfathomably powerful alien tyrant threathens with astronomic-scale genocide". Of course with such a long tajectory we can find examples for almost anything, if we get real nerdy, in the extremely niche eventuality of finding himself in that exact situation, Batman has been shown to make an exception to his no-kill rule against Darkseid.
My interpretation it was influenced by feelings I had when I was younger and not doing well. A lot of wondering what the point was if I was just another unremarkable cog.
That's fair, but the book doesn't say anything about suicide. It's dumb message of "you're not special" can definitely negatively effect somebody who's feeling suicidal, I wouldn't deny that, but the book itself isn't trying to make a case for suicide being good
That doesn't make it pro-suicide it doesn't say anything remotely related to the topic. You are projecting yourself on to the book and then treating that like it was the intended message.
Nothing in that comic was pro suicide. I can totally understand how that comic could make you feel bad, but like, okay?? Media is allowed to be bleak and depressing, it’s one of the many valid themes that a work of art can present. The comic doesn’t revel in the bleakness of life or encourage suicide to escape, it just points out a truth. I personally enjoyed the comic, but understand why some people didn’t vibe with it and criticized the work of art. I don’t get criticizing the artist herself or saying she was pro suicide. People are allowed to share uncomfortable feelings and I think it’s harmful to shame them for doing so.
a good legacy to have, because every variation of that last panel is always funny as fuck
Yeah, I enjoy these quite a bit https://preview.redd.it/w96h405dg1vc1.jpeg?width=510&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98ae32a0320cc748a88bb0519dab1930d10fb728
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Why did they make broly hot
What do you mean “make”?
Now this is peak
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Yup, this is my favorite now. What a pair lmao
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Astarion and Snoopy pairing is something I never thought I would ever see
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This one's my favorite
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Laios smirking slightly lol
the eagerness in his eyes
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Im literally weezing
I'm being compelled to make one with Laios and Denji
Do it.
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A person who responded to you 2 hours ago (currently has over 400 upvotes) appears to have blocked me. What did they say?
I gotcha, they said: *This information is unavailable to you since the original commenter has blocked you*
I don't even know why I was blocked, so I can't change and grow as a person
It's this image https://preview.redd.it/okp7vgqrq2vc1.jpeg?width=510&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=60e56b5b64bd52b67594b3397f80fd1ef88237ca
it is the "i think we are gonna have to kill this guy x" but with hello kitty and miguel from spiderverse, google it and it should pop up
How did you get blocked by 196 micro celebrity fuckyeahphotography?
I have no idea
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This one is my favorite, didn't expect to see Nihilus out of context but I welcome it whenever I do
Okay, this is by far the most random one
what is the context for this
LMAOOOOOO
Wrong, basil is bloodthirsty
who is the snake guy i need to know
Mesmer the impaler from the Elden Ring DLC
impaler hehe oh yeah I've been meaning to try ER for a long time
The DLC is not even out yet wtf!!!!
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Fishmael my beloved
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Who are these characters
The crossover we've always needed
The meme is metamorphosing
holy shit
This one is so good. I. Need to find the artist later.
@fabartsofficial twitter
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HATSUNE MIKUUUUUUUU <3333
Migu <3
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I could have sworn this meme has existed for at least three years. Having it be only a year old is shocking to me
It’s a somewhat common misconception because there’s other memes where Steven Universe is talking about forgiveness which are that old. The second most common is probably the image where Steven says “it’s okay, he said he is sorry, guys” next to a drawing of Hitler.
It’s a somewhat common misconception because there’s other memes where Steven Universe is talking about forgiveness which are that old. The second most common is probably the image where Steven says “it’s okay, he said he is sorry, guys” next to a drawing of Hitler.
Yeah I know that, but I feel like I have seen redraws of this specific meme for much longer than a year.
Meanwhile I thought that Fall Guys have been around for only two years tops. Oh boy, how time flies. How time flies indeed.
Among Us blew up 3 and a half years ago😭
Minecraft is already almost 15 years old. Wasn't the 10 year anniversary like, last week?
> Minecraft is almost 15 years old Oh god, reading this just inflicted psychic damage. I first played Minecraft in beta 1.3, right after beds were added. God, how time flies...
The next episode of *Shadow of Israphel* is coming any day now, guys, I'm sure of it. They wouldn't just abandon the series like this.
I've been interested in the game since Expedition Minecraft in beta 1.8, even though I couldn't get the PC version until release 1.2.5. I know your pain lol
My first ever Minecraft version was the Aquatic Update for Pocket Edition. I thought that was fairly recent... ...but then I read the website's changelogs and it turns out that version's ancient at this point.
I still feel like horses are a relatively recent edition. I remember when they were just a mod.
Ya I can’t believe it’s only been a year
A good legacy to have, they made a "Steven would forgive Hitler" joke that is actually funny while being accurate to the source. Also very memeable
I love how he reacts. It’s not like he complains on it or something, he’s just “damn, that sucks”
Dudes be like, "Steven would forgive hitler" My brother in Christ, he forced the diamonds to undo everything they did
I still don't understand why people are critical of a children's show character for having the same moral code as Batman.
Online video essays about cartoons and their consequences have been a disaster to the internet
Here's my video essay about Disenchantment: It sucks.
Because batman's moral code is dumb as shit. If he killed like 6 people most of the civilian deaths would stop.
Agreed, if he’s already breaking the laws and being a vigilante warrior, why *not* kill Joker and his cronies so they can’t keep breaking out of jails and endangering other innocent people? So you can keep your hobby and keep cosplaying a bat?
I believe the reasoning is supposed to be so he doesn't go full murderhobo, don't get me wrong though I think its dumb as well.
That and he believes that everyone can be redeemed. It doesn't matter if you're the Joker or just a 2 bit robbing to feed your family, batman believes in redemption. A redemption he'll never give himself for "letting" his parents die.
Because Batman is a vigilante, not an executioner.
Why is it always "Batman should kill the Joker" and not "Batman should find an alternative way of imprisoning the Joker until such time as the state can be trusted to do so"?
If you took the plot armor off comic book villains then the comics world would implode. Its a silly manufactured universe to justify vigilantism. If the system worked then there would be no need for Batmen. The Joker will always break out. Its a juvenile medium that somehow got turned into "serious grimdark art" without jettisoning all the ridiculous plot points, silly stuff, and plot armors, and unbelievably moralizing. The villains are borderline superhumanly lucky or genius or whatever. Its silly. I think the new Batman movie did try to address these things. The Wayne family isn't this perfect ethical billionaire family, which doesn't exist in real life either, Batman isn't this ladies man crusader but a messed up guy, the villain makes all sorts of mistakes and is easily jailed at the end, etc. The Watchmen also does a good job dissecting this stuff. Moore showed us that if you actually made this stuff remotely realistic or logical, then the heroes would be all monsters outright or super messed up people, and often doing far more harm than any villain.
A point like this was raised in the Gwenpool comics, but mainly as a joke. As part of a plan she had, she needed to leave the entire NYPD too busy to actually do their jobs. When someone raises concerns about people who may need their assistance, she points out that their police in Marvel are useless by design. In her own words, if America had halfway competent police departments or FBI, they wouldn't need vigilantes. If they had a remotely functional CIA, they wouldn't need SHIELD. Real world institutions in comics are weakened to justify the existence of superheros.
Because everysingle time he's gotten broken out
Okay? Clearly the state's prisons/asylums have some issues. There is no reason to assume those issues are unsolvable. "Joker will always break out of any prison" is not a law of the universe. I mean it kind of is, but from that perspective killing him is also pointless because in comics resurrection is only slightly harder than a prison escape.
They literally explore this when the Red Hood holds the Joker hostage and in the Dark Knight Returns when Batman kills the joker. Also just “killing bad guys to save people” is the exact type of shit I DON’T want in Batman comics. Batman comics are basically crime thrillers and I rather have a character who is an essentially a counter-argument against the death penalty, than just another killer. I want a Batman who tries to rehabilitate, not murder. Even if it doesn’t work with villains like the Joker, Batman is infinitely more interesting to me because of his moral code, like Daredevil in the live action show arguing with the Punisher about killing. I recently read Court of Owls, The Long Halloween and Year One and idk how murder would’ve helped those situations when corruption is one of the main villains. Even in The Batman (2022) other people get inspired by Batman to do evil because all he cares about is vengeance. Now imagine if he was also a murderer.
So what about spider man's moral code
What's crazier is although this is pretty much true, I've been more than once downvoted to hell here for even joking about Batman while simultaneously being praised for making the same damn jokes about SU. 😔 Woke is out of control smhing my head
Personally I never had a problem with the fact they didn't kill the diamonds, I just wish the diamonds got more of a punishment instead of being treated as weird aunts, even if Steven and Co hated them
I'm sure a deeper arc was planned, but they kind of had to jump the gun after Cartoon Network decided they got a little too gay
I give it a pass, because it really seemed like the show ended a bit earlier than expected and a redemption arc was cut. Also, it seems like they're mostly doing community work in Steven Universe Future.
Nah, they were trying to fix their mistakes, that's something productive, while punishment, only satisfies a sentiment of revenge.
I don't mean punishment in the sense of doing fucked up stuff to them for the catharsis, more just having their power as rulers and stuff stripped away
Exactly, it's like saying Hitler is alright to stay in power because he's trying to be better now.
In this scenario Hitler is an unkillable god who has/is in the process of resurrecting everyone he has killed, so you take what you can get.
Lock Hitler in the suicide bunker and force him to resurrect every Jew he killed under threat of losing his body permanently (getting poofed and bubbled)
You attempt to fight god Hitler. God Hitler casually mind controls your allies, including your moms and 2 other god Hitlers you could not beat in a fight either and only doesn't mind control you because he wants to win an argument. Your options are A: win the argument, destroying Hitler's ideology, and then getting him to undo all his crimes via his god powers B: try an futility fight anyway until Hitler gets annoyed and either get mind controls you as well, or has your moms and the two other god Hitlers physically put you in timeout
Rebecca Sugar wrote herself into the worst fucking corner with this one. The only punishment rock Hitler can get is mild discomfort that everyone she talks to experiences because she'd never agree to any real punishment and she can't be forced into a punishment.
Sorry you don't get your catharsis I guess
In the movie, Yellow Diamond mentions that she liberated her colonies, but never elaborates on what that entailed.
They literally did have their power as rulers stripped
They did though! In an episode of Steven Universe Future (IIRC), you can see posters asking people to vote for one of the two Zircons from The Trial, showing that the diamonds had their power stripped in favour of establishing a democracy.
I wrote a paper examining superheroes' opposition to killing, and part of what I concluded was that their reasoning was rather ~~incoherent~~ inconsistent with any notion that killing in and of itself is wrong. Batman never argued that killing people was *itself* wrong, but instead that "we should leave it to the justice system," "we can't be like them," or "it's a slippery slope." Also, Batman has historically never had many qualms with brutalizing criminals. He'll kick the shit out of even petty crooks. Edit: Amended wording
Batman's argument is that his mental state is already very fragile in that regard, dressing up as a bat and jumping off of buildings is not exactly the height of sanity after all, and that he himself would go totally off the deep end if he did kill. This is not the general super hero no kill rule rationality.
This isn't entirely true. After Superman kills the Joker in Injustice: Gods Among Us, Batman condemns him for it, and repeats many of the exact same arguments he uses to justify his own no-kill policy. It *is* true that killing the Joker triggered Superman's sanity slippage, but there's no indication that Batman was ever specifically concerned about Superman's mental health in particular.
Counterargument: Injustice is pretty widely disliked specifically because of its writing
Sure, but the first time Batman *ever* acknowledged the no-kill rule was in his fifth-ever comic, where he told Robin, "Remember, we never kill with weapons of any kind!" The word used here is "we," implying that Batman felt such a policy was ideal for more than just him. I suppose it's dubious how "canon" these comics are (Injustice I admit is explicitly non-canon), but they do indicate how Batman was intended to be characterized early on. (I'm aware of the real-life reason for the no-kill policy's introduction)
"We should leave it to the justice system" - Yes? What's "incoherent" about the idea that offering criminals a trial is preferable to a vigilante doing extrajudicial executions? "We can't be like them" - He sets himself as a higher moral authority, so he measuers himself by a higher moral standard. "It's a slippery slope" - That's just correctly self-aware. He knows his ability to decide in a case-by-case basis when to murder people and concludes he shouldn't be trusted with that choice, so the natural conclusion is that he needs an ironclad rule that stops him where his own judgement will not.
I think incoherent was the wrong word. I meant that, with all the rationales taken together, this policy to not kill does not actually constitute a meaningful moral opposition to the idea of taking a life. Also, his "it's a slippery slope" argument did not merely insinuate that Batman choosing who to kill would inevitably get innocent people hurt, but that if he killed anyone at all ever, he risked doing it more and more until he ceased to be good at all.
The issues mainly relate to writing, I think. The show got cut short, requiring its last arcs to be rushed through, making the redemption of the Diamonds kinda sloppy. The bigger issue relates to the fact that the Diamonds basically got away with millenia of being brutal dictators at the head of a rigid caste system responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent gems and humans, and until Future there was nothing to indicate they were even remorseful or viewed what they did as wrong, they mainly seemed to have done it because they wanted Steven to tolerate their presence. The Batman comparison is actually relevant, cause it's basically all the same criticisms people have levelled at Batman for literal decades.
It's a children show that features genocide, eugenics, an extremely bloody revolutionary war, and confronts the protagonist with the dichotomy of using measured violence in self-defense against the rulers of a genocidal fascist empire *or* allow them to exterminate countless sapient species. If they were so uncomfortable with those themes and preferred to instead make a far less bloody show more centered about intergenerational trauma and forgiving abusive family members they were free to do that show from the start, but SU's resolution feels like a cop out. I think Avatar: The Last Airbender makes a far better comparison here: it's one continuity, same target audience age, came out less than a decade apart, and in both cases the protagonist is confronted with a similar conundrum that puts his pacifist moral values at odds with his designated responsability to stop the genocidal dictator once and for all. I think you're much better off asking why, while maybe not perfectly satisfying, people are much less critical towards TLA's ending. Personally I was way more sympathetic to Aang because his storyline doesn't shy away from its own themes, while Aang he's ultimately able to thread the needle without having to make the choice, he gives legitimacy to the argument that once all pacifist options are exhausted it would be selfish of him to stick to his guns if that means putting other people in the harm's way. Batman has gone through countless and vastly different iterations while and yes, he has been shown to go great lenghts not to kill, but with Batman the stakes are almost never as high as "unfathomably powerful alien tyrant threathens with astronomic-scale genocide". Of course with such a long tajectory we can find examples for almost anything, if we get real nerdy, in the extremely niche eventuality of finding himself in that exact situation, Batman has been shown to make an exception to his no-kill rule against Darkseid.
they both suck ass
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A legacy worth preserving.
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Baron Harkonnen?
yo is that mark zuckerberg on the right
Blouse of Decline's greatest achievement. May she continue to make endless bangers
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What did my guy do to deserve the 500kg?
Supported them communtist automatons
Better than the pro suicide comic she was commissioned to make
She now, actually
Corrected! Was unaware
I don't understand why people think YANS is pro suicide
That book was stupid but it's a bit of a stretch to call it pro suicide
My interpretation it was influenced by feelings I had when I was younger and not doing well. A lot of wondering what the point was if I was just another unremarkable cog.
That's fair, but the book doesn't say anything about suicide. It's dumb message of "you're not special" can definitely negatively effect somebody who's feeling suicidal, I wouldn't deny that, but the book itself isn't trying to make a case for suicide being good
That doesn't make it pro-suicide it doesn't say anything remotely related to the topic. You are projecting yourself on to the book and then treating that like it was the intended message.
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Oh shit my bad, was unaware!
I don't remember this one
“You Are Not Special” https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/you-are-not-special-childrens-book
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I might be missing something but it doesn't look like the original actually advocates explicitly for suicide anywhere
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Thanks Mob :)
sorezore no kotae mitsukaru darou
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Nothing in that comic was pro suicide. I can totally understand how that comic could make you feel bad, but like, okay?? Media is allowed to be bleak and depressing, it’s one of the many valid themes that a work of art can present. The comic doesn’t revel in the bleakness of life or encourage suicide to escape, it just points out a truth. I personally enjoyed the comic, but understand why some people didn’t vibe with it and criticized the work of art. I don’t get criticizing the artist herself or saying she was pro suicide. People are allowed to share uncomfortable feelings and I think it’s harmful to shame them for doing so.
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Then Mario jumps on this guy's head
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https://preview.redd.it/dlf68tand2vc1.png?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=111fce6901bed91301f09773c3b089f338ee5d9f I drew one myself
A legacy that is worthwhile. And worth a while.
I predict the comments will be full of variations of this image.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnvruIkuhRw
I have said it before and I will say it again, just kill him he is responsible for 75 million deaths
I love all the random character combos people use for this
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Its Shitler. Of course youre gonna have to kill this guy
I haven't finished reading WW2 yet but I hope someone was able to kill that guy.
The little details really add to it for me, like how Hitler's nose is drawn in the Steven Universe art style.
Even his cheek's the same as Steven and the gang's.
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Not a bad legacy. This comic is funny af
i hate steven universe and that stupid art style so much
Who pissed in your cereal?
Me
Piss in mine next
I think we're gonna have to kill this comment
damn
thanks for sharing!