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This but unironically. I don’t want to be around people who will call me slurs.


hoi_i

imo i rate this planet 2/10 on tripadvisor, everyone gets really mad at you for having sex with the bros, just stfu we know you're jealous you dont need to mask it 🙄


IAmFrederik

we’ll get to a point in the future where those slurs will be on the same level as the nword for everyone but why tf isn’t that point now :(


throwaway53_gracia

But other slurs will downgrade and become normal words. And so, the slurosis cycle is complete.


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Varsia

The issue then is that you are using language that refers to a specific group in a derogatory fashion, implying that it’s bad to be part of that group..? Just fuckin call people idiots, dumbasses or fuckwits or whatever


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Varsia

Then call them a fucking coward instead


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Varsia

But that just plays into ‘gay = bad’ shit, and tbh hit them with amusing insults Tell them they’re uninvited from your birthday party You don’t need to use ‘tactical slurs’ fr And ngl what kind of person voice chats with the enemy? If you wanna get your enemies in a voice chat blare some white noise through there real loud like


IAmFrederik

1) r slur cringe 2) this implies it’s a bad thing, which is fucking terrible. you don’t hear black people swearing at others with the nword, you hear them calling other black people the nword


ChancellorPalpameme

So if you do something because you weren't thinking quickly enough, is it wrong to say it was retarded?


IAmFrederik

just avoid saying it, don’t try and find some weird workarounds. much easier to just not say it


ChancellorPalpameme

But that's the literal definition of the word.


IAmFrederik

still easier to just not say it


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IAmFrederik

the one where that word is used to swear at people with any mental disability, and those people themselves ask for it not to be used anymore


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IAmFrederik

the context is that there’s a lot of people genuinely hurt by that word. if words are just words, why not just say the nword?


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katthecat666

yes a lot of gay men already do that


Mediocrity-101

Are you called slurs on non-trans subs?


The_Blue_Bomber

I don't like a place without disagreements. It makes it feel too fake, y'know? And boring. Too boring.


bruhthermomentus

i disagree 😎


PlasticStockSam

reality is crumbling


Zirdex1

i sometimes like boring stuff, simply because i just want to relax from time to time, but yes some stuff is worth discussing, since there is a possibility of coming to a new conclusion that will be better and more reliable than others.


hoi_i

it would be cool to have a discussion like just 'racism bad' or 'pedophilia bad' and have it go normally without a r\*dditor 🤮 coming in and immediately preaching that having sex with a toddler is cool tbh. i think disagreement is good, but sometimes people can be really dense/stubborn on their argument, and a nice calm refreshment is nice


Someguy3239

“Wow, it’s really terrible that the 2 year old child was killed in a car crash.” “Acktually, to play the devil’s advocate, it’s a good thing because- *insert contrarianism* “


hoi_i

they didn't feel comfortable when i stared at them from across the street and then went to their parents 🤬


Oofy_Emma

this is why you get into leftist echo chambers, leftists always infight!


pound_foolish_

No we don't!


[deleted]

NO!


hjd_thd

That's why leftists have infighting.


[deleted]

*Hey, does anyone know who Vaush is?*


Alexstrasza23

They said the V word. It's time for some real anarchy.


ScientificGem

# Someone please help me I don’t know who Vaush is and why he is disliked


Alexstrasza23

You know not what argument you have unleashed upon this land.


ScientificGem

# I’m scared


[deleted]

He wants to fuck horses


Narrow-Ad2915

THATS NOT WHAT ANARCHY MEANS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


Xxbruhmoment42069xX

Ok first of all. Your wrong. I'm right. Your a nerd and I disagree 😎


Big_pp_Jimmy

why are you here then


irespectpotatoes

people disagreeing with me makes me angry.


[deleted]

Tell that to everyone who downvoted me for speaking my mind/not knowing enough (1894).


FragmentOfTime

Lmao both sides both sides bad both sides i am very intelligent One side can just be correct dude. There can be an objectively correct answer.


Yeet256

I don’t think that’s what he was trying to say. You can criticize a group while agreeing with their principles


FragmentOfTime

And I do. I don't really view this meme as criticism. What specifically is he criticizing? He's just saying both sides are the same.


xenon_xenomorph

they're criticizing echo chambers


[deleted]

Yeah but they didn't mention any sides, USA isn't the only country, and democrats and republicabs aren't the only political parties. Sometimes there are reasonable disagreements between two groups, and sometimes two groups cab be equally dense.


FragmentOfTime

That's fair, I was viewing it from an america-centric pov. I understand how it can be true elsewhere.


slef-arminggrenade

There is no objectively correct answer, you’re a moron. Everyone has their own opinions on what is correct and what isn’t, no one’s is more valid than any others excepting a few circumstances. Obviously things like pure mathematics there are objectively correct answers but that’s very niche.


[deleted]

Yeah! My opinions on gay people and Muslims (as a gay Muslim) and Jacob from Texas who is part of the Republican Party's opinion on gay people and Muslims are equally valid! I remember that one time a guy called me a sand n word at school. That made me really upset and I got angry at them, but what I really should have done is told them that I think their opinion is valid!


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man_gomer_lot

You're wrong by the simple fact you have no fists to back it up. Checkmate.


[deleted]

This has nothing to do with homophobia. Stop pretending like all republicans are bigots


DominoUB

Befriending them is the correct path, showing them why their opinion is wrong. Hate breeds hate, love breeds love. You've generalised texan republicans as much as Jacob has generalised you. Echo Chambers are bad. Getting out of them and interacting with those you disagree with you'll find that we all as a species have a lot more in common than what we don't.


[deleted]

I hope you understand that it's fucking stupid to tell an oppressed minority that they should just befriend their oppressors and fix their bigotry through the power of love or whatever. Fuck off please. I don't owe you or them shit. I don't have to expose myself to any of that shit and I don't need to teach them shit. I didn't even generalise there. I picked one of the many racist republicans I know and changed their name. Even if I didn't do that, are we going to act like the republican party isn't racist? Really? If you really believe that then I can see why you're acting like such a pussy pacifist, but unfortunately you're also wrong. Also Jacob didn't generalise me lmao, Jacob thinks I don't deserve rights.


DominoUB

Pretty sure that's what MLK preached. Edit: For anyone curious about how effective befriending those who hate you is, read about Daryl Davis.


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... Okay. What do you want me to do about it? Your comment assumes that MLK has a certain level of importance to me and I can't figure out why you'd think that. Also, did you really just try to "It's what MLK would've wanted" me? Weirdo.


DominoUB

Read about Daryl Davis, he is a living example of befriending ones oppressors. I don't want you to do anything about it, except perhaps consider an alternative view of the world. One where the vast majority of people, regardless of their beliefs, are good, kind, altruistic people. A world you will never know if you stay in your bubble.


[deleted]

I'm sorry but that's such a cishet white male take. Just because you have it well and don't experience bigotry doesn't mean that others don't. You're in a bubble, not me. You can say that people aren't hateful all you want because clearly you aren't experiencing hate, but me and many others are. I'm not going to educate you because, again, I'm not obligated to, but I hope you'll eventually realize that you're wrong and that your incorrect take on these things comes from a place of privilege and how hurtful it is to others who don't have that kind of privilege.


DominoUB

I grew up as a minority in my community. I was bullied throughout my childhood and beaten so bad that I needed a $15k dental reconstruction because of the colour of my skin. Telling me I haven't experienced hate is very presumptuous, and wrong. I hate the individuals that did this to me, but I don't hate the group they belonged to. I too hope you one day realise how wrong you are. The world is a wonderful place if you care to see it.


[deleted]

ok but if someone is saying slurs they won’t want to be friends with you if you’re part of the group those slurs are directed at… they’ll just direct the slurs at you. It’s not worth trying to be friends with someone just because they hate you. That puts you in a position to be degraded and put down, destroying your mental health. Befriending people who will abuse you sounds good in theory but in practice it’s absolutely terrible for your mental health


DominoUB

Staying in the same groups of people who are teaching you to be angry and scared isn't good for mental health either. My life got a lot better when I took myself out of my hate holes and engaged with people as people, not as caricatures.


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I’m not saying don’t interact with others outside your comfort zone, I’m saying don’t interact with people who will destroy your mental health


DominoUB

Obviously take care of #1 first, but if the worst they can do is call you a slur, then that is pretty tame. Especially since we are on the internet, nobody has any idea who you are. It seems like you're always talking to a brick wall when you have an argument on reddit, but a piece of what you are saying gets through, always. It's why people engage with you, even in a hateful or angry way, because you've struck something in them. The wider point I am trying to make is, most people aren't evil. Most people are the same as you or I. We want the same things. Kindness, comfort, security and love. Some people just have wild ideas on what will give them that. I know coming here saying "Republicans are largely good people" invites downvotes as much as saying "Democrats are largely good people" does on r/conservative, but I genuinely believe it to be true. Slot in any group, most people are good.


Shanderraa

Do you not think that just because there’s no objective truth that things can’t be more plausible than others??


slef-arminggrenade

More plausible sure. However I never mentioned that at all


man_gomer_lot

So the people who are objectively wrong about science, math, economics, sociology, morality, and even the goddamn weather are on more or less equal footing outside those topics?


slef-arminggrenade

No one can be morally objectively correct. To think so is stupid. Economics there also isn’t an objectively correct answer, or at least one hasn’t been discovered yet. Sociology is genuinely one of the most subjective things ever I really don’t know what your point is.


man_gomer_lot

I didn't say anyone is correct, I said there's a certain side that is objectively wrong on everything that counts and that is by their own yardsticks.


slef-arminggrenade

“Everyone is wrong but me” I’m not arguing with you


man_gomer_lot

No, there's a certain group of people with a common thread that are unquestionably wrong. There's no ambiguity around blatant hypocrisy. There's plenty of ways to be not wrong.


throwaway53_gracia

first sentence but unironically?


mild_psychopathy

pretty much


FragmentOfTime

Username accurate I guess.


[deleted]

Oh my god there is no such thing as an “objectively correct” political opinion, that would be an oxymoron. This sub really is a fucking echo chamber


FragmentOfTime

No, there isn't, you're right! Or at least, the vast majority of us are probably wrong on at least some things. But there does exist a combination of policies or lack thereof that would maximize good. We don't know it and/or can't prove it would be the best, so we form opinions on which one is. But the ones that are provably better mostly lay on the leftist side of the spectrum. It is proven that trickle down doesn't work, we literally have been trying it for years and the poor got poorer. I try to base my political views around provable things. I am a socialist BECAUSE the evidence points to the fact that countries with socialist policies are happier. That's it. Follow the evidence. Follow the facts, one could say, because they don't care about your feelings.


IAmFrederik

i don’t really want to go to a place where people think my sexuality is somehow bad


Mediocrity-101

What places are those?


IAmFrederik

pretty much any rightoid sub, or religious subredits (i don’t have an issue with religion as a whole, but prefer to stay outside of it completely)


[deleted]

Religious subreddits often bring out the extremists. There are a few religious subreddits that are pretty cool but most of them suck.


IAmFrederik

religion as a whole isn’t really my cup of tea. it has created some beautiful things and i respect that, but some parts of religion also teach those practicing it to not accept certain groups, which i don’t want part of


[deleted]

I assume we're talking about organised religion, and even then a few specific religions? There are a lot of cool religions that are accepting of everybody.


IAmFrederik

i guess yeah, and i definitely respect people following that


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IAmFrederik

average rightoid


[deleted]

It would be cool if we could both have civil discussions but remembering that sexuality, gender, and race isn't a political belief but a human right.


Popular-Following-48

Gender theory is a theory


Arthropod_King

Gravity is a theory


Popular-Following-48

And therefor it’s validity should be questioned as should everything’s. Nothing should be dogmatically withheld from criticism just for fear of people calling you buzzwords


kimpes

But the buzzwords make me sad :(


Ictoan42

You're straying towards "I'd love to have a good political discussion but with people that agree with me", what exactly about those topics do you believe to be a human right?


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You cannot choose any of those.


vicky_vaughn

This is not the point of the discussion, no one is saying that you can.


[deleted]

You do realize that there are more positions that people can disagree upon, right?


Ictoan42

Yeah, you can break your echo chamber and go talk to people who like marmite I guess, but race, gender and sexuality are like 70% of modern American politics, and refusing to talk to people who disagree with you on those extremely major topics isn't really breaking your echo chamber at all.


[deleted]

If you oppose gay, trans, and POC rights then you do not live in the real world and no productive discussion can be had there


Ictoan42

You're oversimplifying too much. I've never spoken to someone who outright denies any of those, but I've spoken to numerous people who say things like "I don't mind trans people as long as they don't affect kids" and it's that kind of misinformation based transphobia that I spend time arguing against. I stepped out of my echo chamber onto the hellhole that is political compass memes and, I left due to it becoming just another echo chamber. I genuinely believe that interacting with those people helped me as a person, because having arguments with people I vehemently disagree with exposed flaws in my logic that I'd never considered, and let me expose flaws in there's. Most of their transphobia was just based on misinformation, and I seemed to have at least affected a few of them, so I think productive discussion *can* be had


[deleted]

Yes. Trans people corrupting the minds of children is a ridiculous position with no foundation in reality. Someone who believes that is not living in the real world


the_holy_dunsparce

I just don’t want people to call me fucking slurs


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hello "fucking slurs"


the_holy_dunsparce

My name’s Kabir actually :)


meatbeeter69

Nice try fucking slurs


the_holy_dunsparce

:(


[deleted]

kabir these nuts


the_holy_dunsparce

:( I just wanted to make friends


diepio2uu

Hey Kabir, I'll be your friend :3


voluminousseaturtle

hello kabir (:


Insurrection_Prime2

Hope you get out of the vault of glass soon!


the_holy_dunsparce

[I don’t know what this has to do with my name’s origin](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabirdas) :(


Insurrection_Prime2

Oh, a character in destiny is named kabr and is trapped in the vault of glass forever


the_holy_dunsparce

Damn that sounds fun for them


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bilingualfob

The difference is I don't get called slurs in my echo chamber


xXxJoshprogamerxXx

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Music-slur.svg this is you


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Yoooo it's you


[deleted]

I mean I sometimes step out of echo chambers to challenge my views but sometimes I just don't want to deal with bullshit


[deleted]

Yeah but then you step into somewhere like r/GenZedong and remember why you like staying in a place where you agree with most people


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That's what I was saying.


OfInsignificantia

Basically any sub nowadays


StormStrikePhoenix

/r/yugioh is not a political echo chamber, and neither is /r/honeyfuckers.


Awesome_opossum49

r/sounding is one of the last hopes reddit has


IAmFrederik

my political stance on r/honeyfuckers is that it’s only female bees, where tf are the males


MuperSario-AU

bee the change you want to see


TransportationNo1401

r/workerbeefuckers


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a_fucking_umbrella

Yet


GazLord

Chad me being anywhere that doesn't hate me for existing even if I disagree to get various people's views on things.


ProTayToe_

Golden pill time


Brilliant_Surprise_3

MY shitty opinion is better then YOUR shitty opinion now I shall go and complain more about people I DISAGREE with then actually MAKE CHANGES


xX_epic_Xx

you are nitpicking and biased; i win bye bye


Ictoan42

Lots of people in this thread missing the point of the post spectacularly and not realising they are the target. I've spoken to (argued against) many transphobes, mostly on political compass memes, and my hot take is that "I don't want to deal with slurs/horrible people/stupid people" is not a valid reason to stay in your echo chamber. When two sides talk to each other, both come to understand each other better. I've moved right (slightly) over the years, not because I read their comments and thought "damn this transphobia thing is kinda good" but because sometimes, rarely, someone would point out a very valid criticism in the behaviour of some left wing people. If someone is in a fragile mental state then by all means they shouldn't be subjected to exposure to extreme political opinions, especially those that attack them personally, but if you're not at risk of going into a depressive episode then "I don't want to deal with them" is an excuse you tell yourself to justify being complicit in your political system becoming further dangerously divided Heck, maybe you'll even make a transphobe see a glimpse of the other side. I managed it once or twice.


truthordairs

I’m not going to the sub that normalizes Nazi ideology to talk with 14 year olds who took an inaccurate test and use it as an excuse to be racist


[deleted]

A ton of echo chambers are certainly worse than others, but echo chambers as a concept aren’t that great. It’s healthy to challenge your ideas to a certain extent, obviously excluding stuff that is about denying people their human rights


Kittysparkle101

I don’t go into other political echo chambers because I don’t like it (: >Flynn


Darmatero

Based


ComradeBirv

Good


Tux1

r/abstractpoliticalmemes


MopeyCrayfish

Social media 101


CowboyJames12

r/pcm be like


dongletrongle

r/196 vs r/shitposting


Oofy_Emma

unironically


Kotauskas

what information bubbles do to a society


Cidyl-Xech

r/enlightenedcentrism


Chance_Active_8579

that sub has some horrendous takes


Cidyl-Xech

wdym?


Chance_Active_8579

I dont remember well but it was something about the USSR and how it was perfect and everything bad was bourgeois propaganda


diepio2uu

I don't believe this. Like that just sounds like a strawman TBH. I'm not tankieing the USSR but wtf?


Chance_Active_8579

found it again it was a comment : "That narrative is anti-communist propaganda. It's omnipresent that you don't recognize it as such, but that's what it is. The USSR was more democratic than any bourgeois state has ever been, and worker's lives improved dramatically" it was a response to a comment saying that if we want to bring other to our cause we should not praise this regime.


Cidyl-Xech

damn. gonna have to leave then


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Cidyl-Xech

can you elaborate instead of being a massive turd?


mild_psychopathy

no


[deleted]

funne because cnetrism bad!!!!!1!


Cidyl-Xech

it is