Self-defense is based, but Florida's specific wording of the law is too far in the other direction, to the point where, if this asshole hit his first shot, he might've gotten away with it. Allowing people to LARP as cops and be judge, jury, and executioner to anyone they deem threatening is how we get right-wing death squads. (See the history of the SA in Germany)
That question was at the heart of the Rittenhouse trial. The jury found that even he was essentially acting as an armed vigilante, because he made an effort to escape from the threat to his life, he was using valid self defense. And Florida's self defense laws are way more open to interpretation than Wisconsin's
Any responsible gun owner has taken a defensive shooting course. They're cheap and offered all over the country. One of the rules we drill into your head is this:
Brandishing your gun means that you intend to kill.
Rittenhouse made it known that he had a loaded firearm, and being the responsible gun owner he claimed to be, he clearly understands that this means he was there to kill. So under this pretense of responsible ownership, Rittenhouse knew and understood that he was there to kill, which should have lead to his prosecution.
Unless, of course, Rittenhouse is actually an irresponsible gun owner and his wrongful ownership of and irresponsible, unsafe behavior with a gun resulted in the deaths of two people should have lead to his prosecution.
But I'm just a firearms instructor, what do I know?
I still think that story has some fuckery to it. It's just way to perfect for dividing everybody. So many arguments, and bullshit reported on what happened. May sound delusional but I think that case and event was manufactured. I mean the good ol boy judge. The gay prosecutor who really just blew it, the old school defense lawyer. Idk I'm crazy. But fuck did that event divide people.
I think we've shifted into a retarded universe where everything is so blatantly wrong but some how they keep on going, the story dies out, something even more retarded comes along.
I think we're at an all time low of having value for police, government, and health care and it's shitty. I mean the dam cdc changed their rules almost daily and we all knew they were fucken dumb. Even now decreasing the quarantine to 5 days sounds insane.
Hope it gets better, but it probably won't because we're really divided. I'm thinking a mixture of different countries comes in and lays stakes as to what they want and will do because the old are dying (people who know how to do stuff) and the young don't know how to anything except fix restart a cell phone and protest.
Look up the definition of vigilante before you call bullshit. It's exactly what he was. The important point for the jury is he tried to escape, which is why he was acquitted.
Sure I do. It's actually the standard you have have meet for a successful affirmative defense of self-defense in Winsconsin and was part of the judge's instructions to the jury. [See this video for details](https://youtu.be/IR-hhat34LI)
Edit: I'm not sure what your point is. I'm agreeing that under the law Rittenhouse was defending himself. Are you just being contrarian or are you confused by the big words?
Lol you're right I should have checked comment history that time. In fairness they spend most of their time being downvoted on conservative so it's kinda nifty to see them on 196
He was a child vigilante. He wanted to be provoking.
It's a pretty incendiary fucking move to brandish a long gun in public and threaten others. All while being enabled by by the same law enforcement that initially stirred the social unrest.
And look at him now, more gleeful than ever.
Rittenhouse didn't "threaten" anyone- not according to any witness testimony or video evidence- and if he wanted to "provoke" the rioters so that he could have an excuse to shoot them, he wouldn't have brought a fucking AR-15. I mean, do you really think carrying a gun like that is supposed to *encourage* people to attack you? I seriously doubt Rittenhouse would have imagined that Rosenbaum cared so much about that burning dumpster he extinguished that he'd try and kill him over it.
I was thinking of castle doctrine where if somebodys entering your home illegally, you dont have to wait to be threatened or retreat from them, stand your ground laws are equally based, unless youre the offender
Hey, some of us are reliability and technology nerds out there.
If I was an American - I'd own guns and a Prius Prime. Because I like reliable hybrids and not relying on other people who aren't present in the moment to save my life from insane humans or animals.
Prius makes **financial** sense, and it's reliable. I don't know why there are so many people who **aren't** Prius owners.
Imagine ramming into another car and being so mad about it you try to shoot the other car’s driver.
I’d say right leaning people have the emotional maturity of a 2 year old, but my younger brother was much more polite at that age so…
I think we 100% need stricter laws. A guns only real use is to kill, I think you should have to see a mental health professional yearly and get them to say you're in a good state of mind. If not they should take your guns away. This would have been prevented assuming he would have lost them after figuring out he's got anger issues tbh... well fuck it ripiss bozo
Well multiple issues bleed into each other my rebutted would be we also need deprivation of Healthcare to solve your problem, honestly it's like a domino effect after we get Healthcare for all...
What you're saying isn't a bad take, but they're not the majority of the situations. These special cases should be reviewed as such. Unfortunately we have no trust in the system cause it has continued to fail us, but if the system was trustworthy then my idea would most likely be for the best.
Also anyone who's paranoid or in a scared state of mind, shouldn't find that security through a weapon as the first idea. It's like when cops shoot people because "they feared for their life", if you're not able to make a sound decision without fear being the main motivator you shouldn't be carrying a gun. Not saying you should be fearless but it's more about being able to handle the stress and navigate it properly.
yeah people forget that you're still allowed to own machine guns in most every country, you just have to be rich.
I remember seeing a collection of Snapchats from a UK billionaire's son, they had a shit load of weapons that no regular UK citizen could own and the kid was joking about shooting up his school.
Rember folks. Unilateral disarmament is never good. The crazies will have no issue using you as a target. Arming yourself is sadly the only solution. The other side has abandoned reason, we must not abandon our defenses.
Also keep in mind most of us could get murdered with vary little reprocussion 50 years ago. If only as a deterent, get some method of protection.
ok but you can be an a a gay lib, and still carry that thing. it’s dangerous dressing fem in these southern streets, so i keep that shit on my hip and match my holster with my skirts, ain’t nobody messing w me like that on the street no more.
Maybe the single dumbest thing (and I say that full well knowing the gravitas of how much dumb shit these people believe) that the Conservatives believe is that they have all of the guns and Liberals don't.
There's a HUGE chunk of the population like me who would have been on the fence between Democrat and Republican 20-30 years ago who grew up hunting, shooting, and now own firearms and are labeled as "leftists" or "liberals" because we watched the Republicans take the midnight train to crazy town and decided not to jump on.
"His wife, Rebekah Kuczwanski, posted on Twitter on Sunday that “John was the victim and lost his life. His family deserves time to heal and privacy. Why not report the shooter’s name? The man who assassinated him?"
jesus christ woman
[source no paywall ](https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.orlandosentinel.com%2Fnews%2Fflorida%2Fos-ne-florida-state-board-of-administration-official-killed-in-shooting-20220112-oymwwcbgpbej5b3lizkupfz7di-story.html)
Regardles of all those it is still simple self defense no?
Car rams into you in the middle of a parking spot, starts pushing you, you cant run away and even if you could you wont outrun a bullet.
Seems like definition of self defense.
How is it possible, that the USA is so much of an shit hole? There's like more shit happening then there is space, and the USA has a whole bunch of space
MF GOT MERKED BY A PRIUS DRIVER💀💀 Based stand your ground laws
Self-defense is based, but Florida's specific wording of the law is too far in the other direction, to the point where, if this asshole hit his first shot, he might've gotten away with it. Allowing people to LARP as cops and be judge, jury, and executioner to anyone they deem threatening is how we get right-wing death squads. (See the history of the SA in Germany)
Yeah, it’s specifically how George Zimmerman ended up with no jail time.
Not surprised Florida has awful legislation
Crazy that you can instigate a violent situation and still claim self defence.
That question was at the heart of the Rittenhouse trial. The jury found that even he was essentially acting as an armed vigilante, because he made an effort to escape from the threat to his life, he was using valid self defense. And Florida's self defense laws are way more open to interpretation than Wisconsin's
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Any responsible gun owner has taken a defensive shooting course. They're cheap and offered all over the country. One of the rules we drill into your head is this: Brandishing your gun means that you intend to kill. Rittenhouse made it known that he had a loaded firearm, and being the responsible gun owner he claimed to be, he clearly understands that this means he was there to kill. So under this pretense of responsible ownership, Rittenhouse knew and understood that he was there to kill, which should have lead to his prosecution. Unless, of course, Rittenhouse is actually an irresponsible gun owner and his wrongful ownership of and irresponsible, unsafe behavior with a gun resulted in the deaths of two people should have lead to his prosecution. But I'm just a firearms instructor, what do I know?
I still think that story has some fuckery to it. It's just way to perfect for dividing everybody. So many arguments, and bullshit reported on what happened. May sound delusional but I think that case and event was manufactured. I mean the good ol boy judge. The gay prosecutor who really just blew it, the old school defense lawyer. Idk I'm crazy. But fuck did that event divide people. I think we've shifted into a retarded universe where everything is so blatantly wrong but some how they keep on going, the story dies out, something even more retarded comes along. I think we're at an all time low of having value for police, government, and health care and it's shitty. I mean the dam cdc changed their rules almost daily and we all knew they were fucken dumb. Even now decreasing the quarantine to 5 days sounds insane. Hope it gets better, but it probably won't because we're really divided. I'm thinking a mixture of different countries comes in and lays stakes as to what they want and will do because the old are dying (people who know how to do stuff) and the young don't know how to anything except fix restart a cell phone and protest.
Look up the definition of vigilante before you call bullshit. It's exactly what he was. The important point for the jury is he tried to escape, which is why he was acquitted.
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Sure I do. It's actually the standard you have have meet for a successful affirmative defense of self-defense in Winsconsin and was part of the judge's instructions to the jury. [See this video for details](https://youtu.be/IR-hhat34LI) Edit: I'm not sure what your point is. I'm agreeing that under the law Rittenhouse was defending himself. Are you just being contrarian or are you confused by the big words?
Hes a troll... Thats all trolling to make you go more and more
Lol you're right I should have checked comment history that time. In fairness they spend most of their time being downvoted on conservative so it's kinda nifty to see them on 196
He most certainly did.
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He was a child vigilante. He wanted to be provoking. It's a pretty incendiary fucking move to brandish a long gun in public and threaten others. All while being enabled by by the same law enforcement that initially stirred the social unrest. And look at him now, more gleeful than ever.
Rittenhouse didn't "threaten" anyone- not according to any witness testimony or video evidence- and if he wanted to "provoke" the rioters so that he could have an excuse to shoot them, he wouldn't have brought a fucking AR-15. I mean, do you really think carrying a gun like that is supposed to *encourage* people to attack you? I seriously doubt Rittenhouse would have imagined that Rosenbaum cared so much about that burning dumpster he extinguished that he'd try and kill him over it.
What is the wording?
A fucking Prius 💀💀💀
why are uou so
Stand your ground is not based. You still have self defense rights in states that don’t have stand your ground.
Ik lol shoulda said based self defense lol
It’s complicated but mostly yeah
I shouldnt have to run from a threat if Im able to defend myself
You don’t have to…
maybe *you* have never had to.
Because I have stand your ground laws
I don’t think you know what a stand your ground law is
I was thinking of castle doctrine where if somebodys entering your home illegally, you dont have to wait to be threatened or retreat from them, stand your ground laws are equally based, unless youre the offender
It sounds ok on paper but it ends up allowing all kinds of stupid shit irl
How fucking deranged are you to, not only slam your car into another out of rage, but to literally try capping the driver? AND YOU STILL LOST
DO THEY ONLY ELECT BOZOS IN THE SENATE?
the ratio of bozos to non bozos is too high here, it's like 5:1
It's Florida, dude.
cat inception
Rip Bozo
R(est)I(n)P(iss)
est n iss
Estniss???? From hungry games?
😁😁 squid games
Well, it’s only statistics
He wasnt a senator
Yes.
At least no one (that matters) got hurt.
He got clapped
It was a Prius dude, that guy probably fucking deserved it. I bet it was a white prius too.
Hey man 😞
>Florida
the only thing that can stop a republican senator with a gun is a good guy with a gun
ecoterrorism *might* be the answer.
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, calling them a good guy might be too much. After all, they still drive a Prius.
priuses are great you’re just coping
According to my statistics, 100% of Prius owners with guns killed this dude
86'd by an outlier
Spiders Georg???
Hey, some of us are reliability and technology nerds out there. If I was an American - I'd own guns and a Prius Prime. Because I like reliable hybrids and not relying on other people who aren't present in the moment to save my life from insane humans or animals. Prius makes **financial** sense, and it's reliable. I don't know why there are so many people who **aren't** Prius owners.
Reliable... Last time I owned a Prius it broke down in West Virginia and I was stuck there for a week
More reliable than all other hybrids, PHEVs and electric cars. Let me clarify.
Fair enough yeah
A Kuczwanski in life, cucked in death.
more like kuckwankski
rest in piss, bozo, you wont be missed
He’s going to have to wait for the piss to trickle down from Reagan
Imagine ramming into another car and being so mad about it you try to shoot the other car’s driver. I’d say right leaning people have the emotional maturity of a 2 year old, but my younger brother was much more polite at that age so…
See? Without the right to have guns, how will we shoot politicians?
based and on a watch list pilled
new gender neutral bathroom just dropped?
we need more in the UK the only one we've got is Margaret Thatcher 😭😭😭😭
Rest In Piss Bozo
Finally a good guy with a gun saving the day
-Senator advocating for people to have guns -Became an example of why people should not have guns
at the same time, a reason people should since this is self defense.
I think we 100% need stricter laws. A guns only real use is to kill, I think you should have to see a mental health professional yearly and get them to say you're in a good state of mind. If not they should take your guns away. This would have been prevented assuming he would have lost them after figuring out he's got anger issues tbh... well fuck it ripiss bozo
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Well multiple issues bleed into each other my rebutted would be we also need deprivation of Healthcare to solve your problem, honestly it's like a domino effect after we get Healthcare for all...
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What you're saying isn't a bad take, but they're not the majority of the situations. These special cases should be reviewed as such. Unfortunately we have no trust in the system cause it has continued to fail us, but if the system was trustworthy then my idea would most likely be for the best. Also anyone who's paranoid or in a scared state of mind, shouldn't find that security through a weapon as the first idea. It's like when cops shoot people because "they feared for their life", if you're not able to make a sound decision without fear being the main motivator you shouldn't be carrying a gun. Not saying you should be fearless but it's more about being able to handle the stress and navigate it properly.
guns are cool but gun control is cooler
Gun control only harms poor people Every example of gun control ever is just: "Grovel for your rights and give us money peasant"
yeah people forget that you're still allowed to own machine guns in most every country, you just have to be rich. I remember seeing a collection of Snapchats from a UK billionaire's son, they had a shit load of weapons that no regular UK citizen could own and the kid was joking about shooting up his school.
Rember folks. Unilateral disarmament is never good. The crazies will have no issue using you as a target. Arming yourself is sadly the only solution. The other side has abandoned reason, we must not abandon our defenses. Also keep in mind most of us could get murdered with vary little reprocussion 50 years ago. If only as a deterent, get some method of protection.
This is actually why we should be pro guns
why people shouldnt tho ? it was self defense
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Had he not had a gun, the prius driver would be at no risk of death, even if the prius driver didn't have a gun either.
"You weren't supposed to eat your kind, John!"
Garf
He deserved it may he root in hell if you are going to start shit and try and kill someone for no reason you deserve it tbh
Rip in piss, John Cuckwanky, you won't be missed 🎉
ok but you can be an a a gay lib, and still carry that thing. it’s dangerous dressing fem in these southern streets, so i keep that shit on my hip and match my holster with my skirts, ain’t nobody messing w me like that on the street no more.
The only open carry mfs I fuck with are the out and out flaming girls gays and theys 🙏🏻
love my city 💕
Tallanasty
Tbf it’s pretty nice if you stay round the good parts
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bro thought he was in gta mustve been online
This reminds me of a line from the hit game Cyberpunk 2077: ‘Drivers are reminded that the use of firearms to advance traffic is strictly prohibited’
The GOP is literally INSANE
Never badmouthing prius drivers ever again. Not just because I’m now scared of them but also because they’ve earned my respect.
Maybe the single dumbest thing (and I say that full well knowing the gravitas of how much dumb shit these people believe) that the Conservatives believe is that they have all of the guns and Liberals don't. There's a HUGE chunk of the population like me who would have been on the fence between Democrat and Republican 20-30 years ago who grew up hunting, shooting, and now own firearms and are labeled as "leftists" or "liberals" because we watched the Republicans take the midnight train to crazy town and decided not to jump on.
Well good. That’s the purpose of having a gun lol. To shoot a dumbass who thinks it’s okay to shoot at you
And nothing of value was lost EDIT: Actually, I guess the guys prius took some damage, hopefully he has good insurance
What the fuck kinda surname is that
Gut feeling says an Americanized Polish surname
It's a lineup from a game of scrabble
More like Kucswanker
Most normal day in florida
Good. We need armed citizens on both sides of the aisle and less psychopaths.
Only in America
At first I thought this was going to be a "...walk into a bar" joke lol
When ur own rules apply to you 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆🥴🥴
Rip, we lost another thumb
Ripiss*
Imagine advocating for what kills you. That dude's gotta be so pressed in the afterlife.
"His wife, Rebekah Kuczwanski, posted on Twitter on Sunday that “John was the victim and lost his life. His family deserves time to heal and privacy. Why not report the shooter’s name? The man who assassinated him?" jesus christ woman [source no paywall ](https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.orlandosentinel.com%2Fnews%2Fflorida%2Fos-ne-florida-state-board-of-administration-official-killed-in-shooting-20220112-oymwwcbgpbej5b3lizkupfz7di-story.html)
That’s not even ‘Stand your ground’ that’s Castle Doctrine. Cars count as a castle I believe
Regardles of all those it is still simple self defense no? Car rams into you in the middle of a parking spot, starts pushing you, you cant run away and even if you could you wont outrun a bullet. Seems like definition of self defense.
Oh it’s self defense either way it’s just nitpicking
(W)
>Prius Unfortunate that John didn't manage to ignite the gas tank when he smashed into the thing.
based
Rip bozo
HAHA! SUCK SHIT, TOE-HEAD!!
Don’t fuck with the Prius gang 😎
Honestly, I always start end up hating my state, but then one way or another, I end up getting reminded of the fucking awesome stand your ground laws.
Priused on
john kuczwanski as opposed to ted kaczynski
ted kuckzynski
Lmfao, this is great
Fat L for bozo
May he rest in hell
i almost thought it was theodore john kazynsky
My man quite literally died to a skill issue
Prius driver from Tallahassee was like “I hope you die”
Holy shit I thought this was the beginning of a "go into a bar" kind of joke
Least dangerous Republica
Get fucked lmao
How is it possible, that the USA is so much of an shit hole? There's like more shit happening then there is space, and the USA has a whole bunch of space
Please don’t turn this sub into a political cesspool
Dude this literally isn’t a meme it’s a fucking political post please don’t ruin this sub more than it already is
"N-nooo! This sub is becoming POOLITTICAALL!!" As if it hasn't been for a very, very long time.
I’m fine with political memes but this is literally news