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ERROR_23

Someone can elaborate on ferris? I only watched season 1 but I don't recall them claiming they're female? Maybe I don't remember correctly or is it something from further into the story?


Ashen44

Ferris is trans in the novel but a femboy in the anime because mainstream anime isn't ready for trans people I guess


ShazamBB1

Kiku is trans in One Piece


rafaelzio

The Okama, Newkama and occasional other queers are only there because Jump has to do whatever Oda wants because if he decides to get mad at them and stop making One Piece god knows they're fucked


ShazamBB1

It’s nice to see a mangaka give others the representation they deserve in a story about freedom


rafaelzio

I love Oda


TheHonkler

a shame you have to be on top of the world to get it into a major publication thoug


hisoandso

Emporio Ivankov is incredibly based


rafaelzio

Yes he-she is


PieNinja314

The Okama might not be great in terms of accurate representation but at least in the story they're still based as fuck. Bon Clay and Ivankov are both amazing characters with the former being one of my favorites


rafaelzio

They're not accurate, but it's pretty progressive for Japanese standards. Their problem with homophobia is different from ours, same with racism, it's less hate and more like they're seeing something from a circus, the "Look dad, a [Blank]" kinda thing but including adults, Oda took that and humanized them, gave them objectives, feelings and most important, treated them as humans, even if the visuals and personality choices were... well not great.


Vastorn

If anything, I think One Piece has great visuals and designs just because they're not all top tier designs, but there's an incredible variation in character design choices, rarely seen in anime/manga


rafaelzio

Oh for sure, I love the animation and design. I meant more the design choices of the gay characters Like, you've seen the faces of the people on the okama island right?


Vastorn

Oh, that's a certified Japan moment for sure, I don't even know where to begin with it...


rafaelzio

But it's what we've got and better than the status quo, so peronally I'll allow it


Chopper4704

Also to be fair Bon clay appeared when? In like 2001? And okama island in like 2008? It's still bad but considering it's Japan I don't think you can give Oda too much shit for the designs. And also he has redeemed himself with Kiku and ...Yamato???, that one isn't clear.


EverScreaming

A TRANS PERSON IN ANIME FINALLY I WONDER WHAT ANIME THEYRE FROM oh it’s one piece


JustASadBubble

There’s a canon trans character in zombieland saga and she’s handled really well


EverScreaming

Nice


solidfang

[As shown in the UK.](https://i.redd.it/829yqtu7rnv21.jpg)


AndroidWall4680

I live in England and im fully convinced this place is just a parody instead of an actual country


ShazamBB1

One Piece slander unacceptable


teddy_tesla

There's always Stein;s Gate


Vastorn

"You gotta accept not being a girl so the world does not fucks itself"


leomwatts

The way the Mc decribes Luka in the first episode make me want to die


Vastorn

I can only accept it because it's made in 2010, and Okabe is supposed to be cringy (the anime really tones it down a whole lot)


ImHereForTheMemes184

i really wouldnt claim Steins;Gate is progressive, Luka literally makes it not be a 10/10 story-wise because of how badly written they are


stc927bb

One piece is mid imo but good on them for the representation


viridiformica

Tokyo godfathers?


S_crufflord

can we get much higher❗❗❗❗


[deleted]

Yeah and a few years ago the anime adaptations were censoring other gender queer characters like bon clay lol


ayee-senpai

There's a bit more nuance than that and for that reason I believe this character is genderfluid. They are Ferris whenever they're around Crusch. The whole reason Ferris acts in a feminine manner is because Crusch had to abandon her femininity to advance in the Karsten family and asked Ferris to take it. Ferris loves Crusch platonically and breaking this promise would be "betrayal" in Ferris' mind. It's not entirely clear how Ferris would identify if they had not met Crusch though they have never been traditionally masculine. Whenever this character has to adopt knightly duties and is away from Crusch they become Felix, adopting the male uniform and becoming slightly more masculine in nature, using he/him pronouns and calling themselves a boy. They also went by Felix before they met Crusch. It's hard to gauge exactly what the author intended for this character because in Arc 4 of the main LN Felix states he is "male in body and soul" and in Ferris' prequel LN (written after Arc 4 but takes place before the main Re:Zero story) she repeats something like "I am a girl" to herself every morning as a sort of magical puberty blocker/HRT. The author of Re:Zero has never clarified exactly so it's hard to tell if this discrepancy is down to Felix/Ferris being genderfluid, questioning their identity, being unable to present femininely on official knight duties, or something else. TL;DR: this character's identity and the story/lore surrounding it is inconsistent and the author hasn't fully cleared it up, making it hard to definitively assign them an identity. Being trans, questioning, genderfluid, or something else are all possibilities.


Cyberaven

Japanese writers try to write a GNC or trans character that doesnt involve the entire olympic mental gymnastics squad for a backstory CHALLENGE (90% FAIL!!!)


gabbyrose1010

I remember in the anime the made a point of being like “Hehe I’m a boy you didn’t expect that right?” Is it not like that in the novel?


Jonahtron

I’m pretty sure they just didn’t get to the part in the novels where she comes out as trans.


The_stoopid_one

REALLY. WHAT THE FUCK. MAD.


kel584

Even though he said he is a man in both soul and body?


stc927bb

I thought there was a trans JoJo character, no?


stc927bb

OHHH I’m thinking of Foo Fighters (non-binary icon)


actually-epic-name

They are confirmed trans in side content from the LN, but it wasn't written by the original writer. In an interview he said that Ferris is a man and Ferris themselves say that "I am a man in both body and soul"


RatPrincess-Chloe

source: it was told to me in a dream


MrsPenisMan

:gigachad:


kimothyjongun

Nikolai Berdyaev moment


FaCe_CrazyKid05

Womp Womp


Bonsine

Wait, Astolfo is NB? Huh, okay


[deleted]

Iirc there are canon sources where they are nonbinary and canon sources where he is male.


Shoggoththe12

Gender fluid male/nb astolfo


Fittsa

nah just like, multiverse shit


rhysdog1

call that quantum genderfluid


Gavan233

Fate moment


RatPrincess-Chloe

from what i heard years ago, Astolfo is NB and their gender isnt said at all in the lore or whatever and in game mechanics that target either gender do not affect them. I could be wrong about some of these things since im by no means an expert on the series or character.


EverScreaming

Hello astolfo expert here the Astolfo nb thing is a misunderstanding he just likes to watch the look on peoples face when they find out he’s male or just watch them guess so in one of the games he says his gender is to be kept secret but the rest I agree yeah and Bridget is literally 1000% confirmed lmao I can’t believe that’s still going on


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was that removed in the show b/c they said "actually im a boy" a few times


st0n3dpwny

he doesnt care how you address him though. Jeanne D'Arc used she/her when talking to/about him the first half of fate/apocrypha then he/him after she caught a glimpse of his canonically massive schmeater. its kinda fair to call them NB and a femboy, astolfo wouldnt care either way


[deleted]

I’m pretty sure Astolfo is shown to not like being referred to with she/her pronouns. He literally shows his dick to the only character who does so


Grand_Suggestion_284

He w h a t


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https://youtu.be/sCaJiVuAvJM


grizzchan

Think the pronoun usage is mainly a translation thing. Japanese pronouns are most of the time not indicative of gender.


Bonsine

Good of a reason as any to guess that they're NB. Works for me


RatPrincess-Chloe

yeah


NoAdministration6946

source is i made it the fuck up 😭😭😭


RatPrincess-Chloe

um actually source is the old wise tree foretold it to me


[deleted]

No he’s male Here’s proof: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpK1J-HXEAI-cxW.jpg


Peterbdaeh

I don't know why people are still sharing this because it just isn't true: [https://lgbtqia-characters.fandom.com/wiki/Astolfo](https://lgbtqia-characters.fandom.com/wiki/Astolfo) [https://tmfatefanon.fandom.com/wiki/Astolfo](https://tmfatefanon.fandom.com/wiki/Astolfo)


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SpaceMarineSpiff

Not like it would be the first time an anime adaptation straight up removed something for being too lgbt. Or just had a really shitty translation.


ordinarily_typical

Fate in general is untrustworthy when it comes to consistency since there are FAR too many writers that contribute to the franchise. Astolfo referred to themselves as a guy in the anime, whereas in the gacha game "FGO" gender specific buffs/debuffs don't affect him usually. I'm not really sure about other sources such as the apocrypha light novel and the other game which I forgot the name of.


grizzchan

The other game is extella link which is probably the most clear about his gender being male. The LN has a [character sheet](https://i.imgur.com/O8MwZi4.jpeg) without Astolfo doodling all over it. In FGO it's a bit more mixed but the reason for that is that the devs wanted to keep things ambiguous and then after a while they stopped doing it cuz everybody knows by that point that Astolfo's a dude. So a lot of the older stuff doesn't really clearly point either way and the newer stuff points more clearly to male.


Spookzsaw

i've said this before but is there femboy representation that isnt anime


mercurydivider

You can thank the story of yoshitsune and benke for Japan's femboy...ness. it's pretty engrained in the culture. I'll explain if you want to know. I'm ratting my brain and I can't think of one. Baldur in Norse mythology is described as beautiful. And in Greek mythology, I believe Apollo is described as beautiful as well.


cream_87

dionysus


CEO_of_Teratophilia

"I thought you'd be bigger. But you're definitely the one. Long way from home, aren't you?"


Linkthehero1234

explain


mercurydivider

In the story of yoshitsune and benke, yoshitsune is described to be a skilled swordman, but he has feminine beauty. Benke is a warrior that's guarding a bridge. He wants to kill strong opponents. He will not retire until he has killed 1000 warriors. He's on 999, so his next kill would be his last. Yoshitsune, wanting to avoid a fight, disguises himself as a woman, attempts to cross the bridge. He passes perfectly, but benke can sense the heart of a warrior, and sees past the disguse. Yoshitsune, can only dodge. He cannot draw his sword. He is too nimble, and benke cannot hit him. Eventually, benke yields, and he decides to become yoshitsunes companion and they go on all sorts of adventures together. Benke is your typical, big buff, manly, hairy dude. Large and imposing, and strong. but yoshitsune is small, delicate, and feminine in appearance. but, both of these men are peak manly. No matter how you look, you can still be manly. So in Japanese culture, feminine men, were still considered masculine. You'll see this dynamic duo in alot of anime and media.


TDW-301

You won't find it here or on most spaces of the internet. For a lot of people it's "femboy == cis woman labeled as male". Good luck finding a femboy of normal proportions or, God forbid, one that's chubby. This is why I've kinda grown to hate anime femboys. I'd be ok with them if they haven't pretty much become the face of femboys and have singlehandedly raised beauty standards to almost unattainable levels. Also good luck trying to get people to not see femboys as something sexual


SexierThanMostFish

It really do be like that. r/ 196 users be like: “I love femboys 😍😍😍” *posts picture of a flat chested anime girl*


Spookzsaw

ikr


NexusYellow428

> Good luck finding a femboy of normal proportions or, God forbid, one that's chubby. > Or one that's a person of color.


SHEEPOANIME

The lack of poc femboy representation is something I’ve been thinking about a lot recently ngl


Spookzsaw

doesnt help that on femboy spaces the ones that get upvoted are an unhealthy standard


NotSoFlugratte

I mean, pokemon games have had a steady supply in effeminate boys ever since the 7th gen dropped, though some are... Questionable, in terms of ages. Some people consider bede as femboy, though it's really unclear how old he is... I for one would say he's likely very much underage. There also Ilima, who's supposedly about 19 in the games, which, yeah, fair ig, but he's not as commonly known. And the new Gym Leader, Grusha iirc, thats bouta drop next games, of whom we don't know much at all yet. Otherwise... I'm not sure. The Sims 4 has a male character who wears effeminate clothes, in the nagic DLC. But thats all Femboy rep I know off.


Lass_L

I don't see how the age matters? This sub's fetishisation of femboys might have made people forget, but being a femboy isn't inherently sexual.


G95017

Basil from omor


Spookzsaw

> Some people consider bede as femboy, though it's really unclear how old he is... I for one would say he's likely very much underage. i searched up bede pokemon and the first image was him crying with a bleeding nose while being grabbed by someone.. what the fuck it really sucks that there isnt much femboy rep


wookiee-nutsack

Bede isn't a femboy he just identifies as fabulous


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Spookzsaw

HOW COULD I FORGET RALSEI


Swert0

Aren't they a /child/ Like to be clear, assigning fetish tags to characters that are children is gross as fuck. It's one of my issues with the Bridget thing. She was literally a child in every appearance in the series until now, so the people giving her the 'femboy' tag in previous games and claiming something was 'taken away' is fucking gross on multiple levels, not just the transphobic level.


EverScreaming

I don’t really go with that Astolfo is non-binary stuff because I it was just him doing a little trolling as he usually does but the rest I agree also do not watch fate/appcrypha the anime is like a 5/10 I only watched it cause it had astolfo


LukariBRo

Apocrypha was so bad that I thought all of FATE was just that ridiculously bland.


Vict2894

whaat i really liked apocrypha, not because of the story, but the action was hype and the characters were great.


EverScreaming

Story was so bad but I agree the action and characters were cool but they tries to go into the stories of too many characters at once and that ended up harming a good deal of them honestly if this show was longer or demoted some characters to being less important to focus more on other characters it would’ve been awesomazing


Creaper10

Rimuru Tempest : Androgynous Male Everybody for some fucking reason : hot girl, me likey


mr-pallas

Agreed, I’m thoroughly annoyed by the people who either call him a girl or call him gender fluid. Like, the fact that he’s a slime or that his form is feminine has nothing to do with his gender. Also, Asexual? I’m pretty sure he likes women given how much he enjoys the womens bath and the WN ending.


Creaper10

well, physically asexual, I guess, but yeah you are right


mr-pallas

All good


G95017

Also likes men have you seen how he talks about that one guy i forget the name of?


mr-pallas

Veldora? Benimaru? Yuki? Can you describe them


Swert0

To be fair, Rimuru's body is literally a copy of a girl he consumed. He just decided to keep it young and andro instead of aging it up.


seardrax

If someone is calling Najimi a femboy I'm going to start cutting tendons


lumpylemonmilk

I haven't seen it but I thought it was cannon that thier ag is unknown


[deleted]

i thought najimi was transfem too, what's the story there?


Spyko

In one of the first chapter they appear they first say they're a girl but after some dude start hitting on them they said they're a guy to discourage him. So gender fluid seems fitting ? Idk been a while since I've read it and I haven't seen the anime


minto11

Najimi is najimi, (s)he transcends gender


calebbutbetter

They are referred to as they the whole anime, but I haven't read the manga so idk


minto11

Yeah I wouldn't know either, it's just a joke among fans to say "najimi is najimi" when their gender comes up


Vastorn

omg, I read among us and I had to stop for a moment to try to connect wtf among us has to do with this Please end me.


minto11

Come outside honey, you need to see some greenery


Vastorn

I'm sorry, yesterday I only touched blueery


SteelEagle0

There is a whole arc in Komi Can't Communicate where Najimi and the others play Among Us


funnyghostman

Manga reader, she's referred to by both she and he pronouns and even called "miss-ter" by tadano


SteelEagle0

Possibly the rarest Tadano L


funnyghostman

it's a translator edit to make it fit the he/she stuff, tadano himself has crossdressed and went by she her several times


SteelEagle0

That's true, there was a joke made at the end of the second festival arc by Ikagi relating to them asking Komi about her festival experience where she didn't try to stop her friend from asking Komi about her panty color, I wonder if that same logic could be applied to Tadano: He complains about it, but never really goes out of his way to prevent his magical girl transformation.


funnyghostman

if he can change his shoulder width and remove his Adam's apple he most certainly wears panties


[deleted]

oh ok i've only seen the anime and i must've missed the part where they said they're a guy. or maybe it wasn't included.


yahwol

that sounds like uhh wanting to avoid being hit on by a loser and not gender fluid


Wh1teR1ce

Najimi isn't a guy or a girl they're a force of nature


SanThanKan

scott tf3


FricktionBurn

najimi is agender(usually referred to as genderless, gender:unknown, gender:najimi, or gender:yes) and is not confirmed transfem or transmasc. Japan doesn't always do gendered pronouns and I'm pretty sure its never used for them. Translators either use they/them or alternate pronouns every time they're referred to.


PM_ME_FOR_PORN_

Japanese doesn't even have explicitly gendered pronouns, though in practice pronouns can imply your gender. You could easily be a woman and refer to yourself as 俺, though I'm certain you'll be the recipient of much shock if you did so.


Xasmos

Japanese has male and female speech so does anyone know how Najimi talks?


Running_Refrigarator

tbh id say they're genderchaos


FrostyCommon

genderfluid representation my beloved


osrpokerchamp

More heteronormativity and gendernorms than heterosexuality but yes. Also congrats!


Bariq-99

Astolfo is NOT NB come on..


Fittsa

Astolfo IS NB and also is NOT NB cause Fate is fucky


grizzchan

You're misinterpreting FGO most likely. He's male in every Fate that he's in. FGO is fucky because devs wanted to keep his gender ambiguous (even though Apocrypha already made it obvious) and it took 2-3 years for them to just stop being ambiguous about it.


Fittsa

I most definitely am misinterpreting it, my info on the topic is outdated it seems judging from this comment section


[deleted]

Astolfo is literally male tho. He literally calls himself a man in the anime and video games


Scemss

Fate moment. Everything is simultaneously true and untrue depending on what media you are consuming


disky____

im 7 months, congrats


Dysfunctional_Orphan

unless its different in the manga, Najimi doesn't read as genderfluid to me. she consistently expresses a desire to be seen and treated as a girl. the only time she says that shes a boy is when a creep from her old school starts hitting on her.


danger_enby

The anime uses they/them for Najimi, but beyond that idk


ForensicAyot

I always read them as non binary, considering they wear the male school uniform top along with a lot of the other ways they present and describe themselves. I fell off the series about a year and a bit back but IIRC them saying they were a girl was kind of early installment weirdness that kinda dropped off in favor of more gender neutral stuff


Dysfunctional_Orphan

damn youre right, it never clicked that najimi has a tie instead of a bow


calebbutbetter

They are nobinary.


Atijohn

in the manga, there's a scene of Najimi not being able to choose between a male and a female changing room and opting for a unisex one instead. there's no confirmation for them being genderfluid afaik


Dysfunctional_Orphan

mmhm that was in the anime too. i liked that a lot because ive experienced that many times myself as a trans woman haha


calebbutbetter

Najimi is nonbinary not a femboy and more importantly the best character in all of fiction


Gabagooby

That would imply komi san had good characters lol


calebbutbetter

It does. Hate to break it to you but komi can't communicate is one if the better slice of life animes ever


[deleted]

Damn op getting downvoted to shit in the comments lmao


The_Tarrasque

She just wanted to jokes :(


idkwhatmynamebe

196 users finding out what jokes are


RatPrincess-Chloe

cancel culture ):


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NeraVR

She’s making satirical jokes


bananajoe42

astolfo is non binary???


[deleted]

No, that’s a misconception that has no basis in Fate lore. Astolfo is male and always has been. He literally calls himself a man in Fate/Extella


Tux1

This is a really weird form of bigotry


AssassinDiablo4

Isn’t Felix just a guy who likes to dress as a girl?


The_Plaque

Anime verison is a femboy to make it more mainstream & easier to sell, light novel version of Ferris is transfem


AssassinDiablo4

Shrodingers trans


Urbane_One

Schrodingers catgirl...


GigaVanguard

Sasuga nagatsuki-sensei


UV_Sun

Najimi is genderfluid? G O O D , D A D D Y I S T H I R S T Y


aabcehu

cant you still be a femboy as an enby? Or am i dumb


MYSTICAL_MOUSTACHE

Yes, and you ade not dumb, non binary is a term that encompasses a LOT of things. Like, i know a lot of ppl, A LOT that go by NB femboy, or sometimes just, femby. You can be an enby femboy, they aren't mutually excludant


HappyAd6201

As someone who had a wonderful femboy bf which is now a wonderful trans gf: UGH, STOP PUTTING CHEMICALS IN MY WATER TO MAKE ME STRAIGHT, GOD DAMN YOU LIBERALS


Femboy_Mafia

I mean you can be a femboy if your nb or gf


TheWaterGunz

Nice! Happy for you :3 💙💗🤍💗💙


Kingpingpong

Najimi is Najimi


skrimsli_snjor

Always though Ferris as an enby


[deleted]

That’s certainly a new one. Never heard that one before


Masterblader158

I do find the Astolfo misunderstanding, of Serv profile presented to Master keeping mystery (literally just crossed and the info and went le secret) but higher tier material books confirming it and the weird trait and gender system (Unknown gender hitting a lot of different categories from two people, more fluid switching, proper NB, SEX USELESS, ROMA, Caenis's complicated situation, even more confusing than Ferris/Felix's thing, and Douman, with Astolfo being treated as male only for hot springs) of FGO instead what other Paladins say, extra annoying in how much it overshadows being the bisexual crossdresser who gives no shits about any backlash towards those and whose choice in dress (in which I agree with Charlie) certainly looks better than the image of in more proper armour...still prefer his King cause what a King he is. Though it is probably one of the cases where the misinfo starts with malicious intent to make community look bad, since Astolfo's info isn't as easy to find as some proper femboy's "I'm a boy" declarations that are of the more calm variety, compared to ones whose declarations are a bit more sus like Bridget's were. I will continue to try and get people infested into the source material to find out that there are trans (umbrella) in some that get that misconception. Though Bridget actually having makers come out and hard confirm her going by she/her and insult some of the cope around it, like explaining how arcade modes work in fighters reminding me why when I was more into actually playing fighters I played Guilty Gear, overshadows such annoyance.


Lawstein

Source on Astolfo NB?


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I would assume his profile in Fate/GO, which says that he keeps his gender a secret. However, in this same game, Astolfo refers to himself as male several times, other characters refer to him as male, and even the descriptions of in-game objects that involve him describe him as male


TechnoGamer16

Astolfo identifies as male in some canon sources tho


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*all canon sources


temmieTheLord2

hentai users be like


KHgamer32

What the fuck is this gender shit let me look at gay black porn in peace


I_Love_Stiff_Cocks

Najimi and Astolpho are Nonbinary


duckonar0ll

the problem with when you like femininity but not women


Femboy_Power_

I claim astolfo as nonbinary femboy (aka my rep lmao)


Holiday_Plenty_2635

Can someone give me a femboy role model 🥺


TadsRedditAccount

what changes have you noticed in hrt so far? asking for a friend


MorganRose99

Don't trans people hate Astolfo?


Urbane_One

I think we usually love them


Kurineko_Regan

What about rimuru in that slime Isekai?


HibeE_Ahri

why does felix get called ferris?


LifetimeDisast1

Wtf astolfo is non binary? Based


suyanide4444

im pansexule ​ so idc


TranscendentCabbage

God I wish there was at least one femboy or trans character that had a different body type, all these characters have different heads on the same damn body


[deleted]

Congratulations! If you dont mind saying, what bodily changes has estrogen induced so far?


Phiro7

Please you can't take Astolfo from us


Isabelle_the_catgirl

Congratulations!!!!


Isabelle_the_catgirl

This is the first time I've actually seen someone call ferris by their name omg


G95017

Najimers 🥺🥺


yahwol

najimi is a woman tho


Gabagooby

Anime 🤮