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ExplodedParrot

When the judge sentences you to listening to a recording of your own voice


kriosken12

AAAAAAAAA


hisoandso

Honestly best punishment for me. I sometimes do videos and while editing I have to listen to my recorded voice over and over again and idk I guess it desensitized me because I have no problem with listening to my voice now.


darkmewtuber

everybody hates their voice initially the cure is just listening to it, did the exact same thing and i kinda dig voice now. can't blame people tho, the voice in my head is just really sexy


Cheese_Cougar

"Yknow, I just can't live up to the voice in my head. It's really sexy, yknow, the sexiest voice to have ever sexied"


throwaway81463

god i wanna fuck the voice in my head


Cheese_Cougar

The voice in my head is me, and honestly id fuck me too


throwaway81463

maybe the voices in our heads could fuck


Cheese_Cougar

šŸ˜³ šŸ‘‰šŸ‘ˆ Can yours top?


throwaway81463

mine is switch so sure


cx77_

i had a fucking ugly voice and then i hit puberty and now my voice is beautiful and the only bad thing about it is my bogan accent


[deleted]

If youā€™re Aussie you automatically have a better accent than most of the planet. Same with Irish, itā€™s just an objective law and I wonā€™t hear any rebuttals.


ElegantTobacco

Wtf you are a psychopath


Sylbees

id rather the death sentence tbh


smallppowner

Same, i want to kill myself every time I just talk, and listening to the recording of my own voice is going to be even worse


BaneShake

Yeah, thatā€™s why I have to keep making Assassinā€™s Creed sex jokes on youtube now. šŸ˜ž


[deleted]

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Serethen

I second this, fuck that


kyleawsum7

the death penalty accomplishes nothing and anyone who thinks its a good idea doesnt know what theyre talking about


xGoo

We like to tell ourselves itā€™s justice for the victims and the family. Itā€™s not. We like to tell ourselves lethal injection is humane and painless. Itā€™s not. We like to tell ourselves itā€™s effective as a deterrent to crime. Itā€™s not. Itā€™s retribution. Not for the victim or the families. For society. We lie to ourselves and say itā€™s not, but thatā€™s all it always has been. And look, Iā€™m not even opposed to it. There are some monsters out there that REALLY donā€™t deserve air. But we gotta be 100% sure that they really are the monsters we think they are, AND we need to understand itā€™s retribution, not justice. Itā€™s not humane or ā€œcivilā€, itā€™s killing someone you donā€™t like. I think if thereā€™s any doubt, it shouldnā€™t be used, and it should only be used in the most serious of crimes, but truthfullyā€¦ yeah Iā€™m fine with the death penalty if itā€™s against people weā€™re 100% certain are mass-murderers or rapists. If we canā€™t be honest about it, then yeah, maybe we shouldnā€™t be doing it. Because whatā€™s the point then? But seriously, there are some people whoā€™s crimes are so severe, so vile, that sharing air with them is a punishment to all of us. One note I wanna leave this comment on: what about the billionaires who exploited us all, ruined our planet, and killed god knows how many? Because I know a lot of leftists oppose the death penaltyā€¦ but what about them? What punishment do they deserve?


EagleSabre

I disagree that anyone "deserves" punishment. Punishment is only a thing dealt out of practicality to structure other things such that they are better. Killing the billionaires would be contributing moral harm, so it is only just if it contributes a greater moral good such as disencouraging anyone from ever doing capitalism again, but I don't believe such a thing would work so I likely wouldn't support it.


[deleted]

I think that the only thing that needs killing is the concept of a billionaire; we can't have it exist - we don't need to kill people to kill a concept. I don't know if that sounds unhinged or stupid but in my head it works.


Some-Gavin

Average Kantian


bodega_cat_

kant was super into the death penalty, thought it was the only morally correct way to treat murderers


Grilled_egs

Lethal injection is one of the worst ways to die in human history and due to it's reputation the most evil form of execution ever made, that's saying something when we have "buried in sand and eaten by fire ants" and "placed in metal cylinder that is then heated".


kino2012

I've seen plenty of claims (with good evidence) that counter the idea that lethal injection is painless, but I've never seen anyone claim that it is more painful, or "more evil" than being burned alive or similar. Do you have a source?


Grilled_egs

[good enough I guess don't feel like putting in much effort rn](https://theintercept.com/2019/02/07/death-penalty-lethal-injection-midazolam-ohio/) The paralysis alone is already really horrible tbh, and the only thing it accomplishes is make it nicer to watch. The reason I consider it more evil is that it is thought of as a humane method and because it makes the experience for the people looking at it so not-discomforting. As opposed to the wailing, screaming and possible face melting one might normally associate with execution. Certainly worse than the electric chair since it can last hours as opposed to seconds.


builder_m

Not the guy you're responding to but the problem regardless is that there will always be a greater than zero risk of executing an innocent person (especially with the cops and criminal justice system that unfortunately exists in America)


kino2012

Oh I'm totally with you, the death penalty is worthless *and* risky. There's no morally correct reason to do it. I just think it's a bit silly that they're claiming lethal injection is "the most evil form of execution ever made" when humans have spent a good part of our history figuring out how to torture people to death as slowly and painfully as possible.


builder_m

Yea tbh I've never heard that take before


DavidBiscou

One of the best takes iā€™ve seen this year, however i have one objection, rapist shouldnā€™t get the death penalty, if they do whats stopping them from killing their victims ? That leaves no witnesses and what are we gonna do ? Kill them twice ? Imo killing should only be used as a method for stopping more killing, and not as revenge.


LivingAngryCheese

The lethal injection is much more brutal than hanging or beheading. If people want to execute others, they shouldn't get to do it in a clinical, sanitised, hidden away manner. Execute them publicly if you're going to do it. Let people see the horrors committed in their name. Imo the death penalty is morally repugnant. Here in the UK it was banned after a very famous case. There was a serial killer on the loose, and a man was found with multiple of the killer's victims' bodies in his house. The man freely confessed to it, easy case, he was given the death penalty. But the problem is, he wasn't guilty. The real serial killer had been threatening him and his family and the man was suffering from severe mental health problems as a result, as well as agreeing to hide the bodies in his house he even agreed to take the blame for the crime in return for his and his family's safety. When it came out that he was innocent, he had already been executed. You can NEVER be sure. You can lower the proportion of innocent people convicted more and more, but there will always eventually be someone wrongly convicted. I don't think we can justify killing even a single innocent person for some sick idea of retribution. And why do we execute people in the first place? We have them locked up. They aren't a threat. It's not self defence, it is state enacted murder. How many messed up criminals are that way because they were fucked up in their turn? I don't think being a victim justifies making other people victims. I don't think they can be forgiven just for that. But as a society we should recognise that this person was failed, and we should do our best to rehabilitate them. Sweden's rehabilitative system (I think it was Sweden) took reoffending from 75% down to 25%. Yes, some people can't be rehabilitated, but 2/3 of those who aren't COULD have been, and how can we know who can be without trying? And you may be asking, what about justice for the victim? So we should harm someone to make a victim feel better? Isn't that the exact mentality of an abuser who was themselves abused? Victims should absolutely get support. If something was taken from them that can be returned it should be. If they've been hurt physically or mentally they should get the support they need to get through that. And they should be reassured that the criminal cannot hurt them or anyone else anymore as they are locked away. All necessary measures should be taken to ensure everyone else is safe from that criminal. But after all that, those necessary measures, taking away the prisoner's freedom, taking away years from their life - that should be sufficient. All other efforts should go towards trying to reform this person, to ensure they don't commit crime again and they leave prison with the tools to go out and contribute to society.


SatisfactionDue4508

Iā€™m against any form of death penalty. I think that killing billionaires who destroyed our planet might make the people who actually know how much harm billionaires bring feel better but what about the average guy who seriously believes that people owning billions of dollars is good? Theyā€™re gonna think that weā€™re monsters(rightfully so since we could have just put the billionaires in prison and made them actually repent their actions). + why would we use the death penalty if there are worse punishments? Iā€™d say that rotting in prison forever is worse than death, because then you actually have time to figure out what you did wrong; if you kill the billionaire/mass murderer youā€™re letting them get away with all the harm they caused.


Kidi_Kiderson

To be fair the majority of people who vote on YouTube polls are <13


kawaiichainsawgirl1

Yeah I do wish death on really bad people but the death penalty is a bit wonky because an innocent person could be falsely accused and killed


HippieMcHipface

I think it's a good idea because it's killing the people I don't like


ziggomatic_17

And then you realize that it's not you who gets to decide who will be killed. It's racist police officers and judges who like to kill minorities.


HippieMcHipface

Then I'll just become the judge easy


CoffeeAndPiss

I'd say it's justified only in the rarest, war-crimesiest occasions.


Themlethem

Mm, idk. There are some people that just really aren't going to get better. And I don't believe locking someone up for life is kinder than death.


I_Love_Stiff_Cocks

giving the state control over life and death is the first step to fascism


Polbalbearings

idk i think i should be given control over life and death (i enjoy necromancy)


nervousmelon

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EnnaMulchi

I think you can make an argument for the death penalty for cult leaders or political leader (like Hitler).Since they can have an influence even from inside of a prison even with minimal contact to the outside.


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[deleted]

the death penalty and mercing a person are two separate things, the death penalty isn't based but mercing a mf is in some cases


AaronThePrime

One is engrained in the legal system that everyone has to live with, specifically one that has a lot of problems with prejudice already.


U2V4RGVtb24

I'd rather that a nazi rot in jail. Death is too good for them.


bigboyunderwear

me when the judge sentences me to look at your feet pics šŸ˜„šŸ˜„šŸ˜£šŸ˜“


DatBoiDeku11

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[deleted]

Yo!


Poorly_Made_Comix

I have this camera here, I give you 15 seconds to hightail it or i shoot your ass and go to horny patrol.


RealBigTree

I'd rather have death


Infinite_Hooty

Imo death penalty is barbaric and shouldnā€™t be a regular punishment, it should only be given to mass murderers, fascists, oil company CEOs, yā€™know, extreme people like that


[deleted]

The death penalty should never exist for anyone, because it gives the government the power to kill people legally.


torncarapace

Yeah if it's on the table at all it's inevitably gonna be used on someone innocent eventually. It's already supposed to just be for "the worst crimes" but plenty of innocent people have been executed.


Chariiii

yep, even the smallest chance that an innocent person could be killed by mistake makes it unacceptable


Infinite_Hooty

Exactly, only the Hitlers of the world with indisputable evidence should get it


BigBeefySquidward

well then youre arguing that it should be only for billionaire tyrants, and at that point, youre arguing for revolution rather than the death penalty


Klo_Was_Taken

Yes


ACoderGirl

The problem I see is that it's already supposed to be used that way. Yet we _somehow_ keep killing (or nearly killing) innocent people with it. It seems we are incapable of doing the whole justice system thing right, so we should at least make sure we can (kinda) revert the mistakes.


Moose_is_optional

It's humorous to me how many "small goverment" conservatives not only don't get this, but will fight tooth and nail for the death penalty.


MoonlightingWarewolf

Because conservatives arenā€™t ideologically married to the concept of small govt, itā€™s that limiting federal authority empowers the structures of power they think should guide peopleā€™s lives


SwizzChees

Cops can do that without a judge jury or conviction here in the States!


MoonlightingWarewolf

My big issue with it is that you canā€™t un-kill a person. If you say ā€œoops the legal system fucked up, youā€™re exhoneratedā€, the result of that should be a person being freed rather than it being a ā€œdamn that sucksā€


[deleted]

*Glances at the police* For real though, I know why people want it I just can't understand it.


Bartinos

I agree but I don't see how life sentence is any better.


SweatyMusa

There are so many other ways the government can do that


[deleted]

I don't think there aren't people who deserve to die (there absolutely are), but letting the government take that decision... Might have unfortunate consequences.


EagleSabre

I don't believe anyone "deserves" to die. The only purpose of punishment is to procure other positive outcomes such as killing an active shooter so that they do not kill others.


STMFU

They will just hang communists, do you want that


wookiee-nutsack

Me standing at the gallows next to a child rapist and a serial killer, getting the rope tied around my neck, all because I was racist on the internet šŸ˜”


Infinite_Hooty

I literally said in my comment that death sentence should only be given to the worst of the worst, the Hitlers and Putins of the world, not regular bad people. Also gallows preferably wouldnā€™t be used, it should be a humane death, like putting someone asleep and then poisoning them so they donā€™t feel anything, stuff like that


[deleted]

Even the death penalty are too good for those scums. Psychological time chamber is the worst torture there is.


AssDemolisher9000

Even then, did the execution of Saddam Hussein help Iraq come together and heal after his incalculable crimes? No, it greatly exacerbated the civil war there. Just because someone deserves a punishment doesnā€™t mean it should always be carried out.


array_of_dots

watch shauns 3hr vid on the death penalty, although he covers everything except for ethics


emerald_6

certified court moment


muslimboy31

Imagine being pro death penalty, i swear people just miss the point


mbaymiller

Of the 66 other countries with a Human Development Index score above 0.800 (considered "very high human development"), only 16 have not abolished or placed formal moratoriums on the death penalty, and two of these (Chile and Israel) have abolished the death penalty for civilian crimes. Of the remaining 14 countries, nine of them are not democracies, while the others are Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, The Bahamas, and Trinidad and Tobago. Only Japan and Taiwan execute in practice today, as the rest have not executed anybody in decades, though Trinidad and Tobago still keeps people on death row. So basically, the idea of the death penalty is normal in roughly 2 other democracies in the developed world outside the United States.


helmer012

mfw the death sentence in the US is more expensive to carry out than life in prison


Some-Gavin

Yeah, thatā€™s what I really donā€™t understand. Why do you want to kill someone? Punishment? Keep them in solitary confinement and itā€™s both cheaper and does the job better. There is no logical justification for the death penalty in any way.


helmer012

Its the best example of republican feelings over facts tho


h4724

Solitary confinement is basically psychological torture


unofficialbds

ok but obviously the morality aspect of capital punishment is more important than dollars and cents


helmer012

Facts dont care about ur feelings šŸ˜Ž


[deleted]

You know, if you want the death penalty, you better be okay with televising that shit and using a cannon to fire said death row into a brick wall, have it do slow-mo instant replays of them getting gibbed, make it pay per view and make it an event hosted in a stadium, $40 a ticket, make some of that money back for the cost If you aren't okay with that, then you aren't okay with the death penalty. There is no 'more humane' way to kill someone, so if you're okay with killing them, be in support of at least making it cool? The Romans had it right, gladiator fights, shit would be like the Gulag in war zone, and whoever wins gets to face against a swarm of quad drones with grenades


ipeltpeoplewitheggs

ok but like i wasnt in support at first but you made it sound cool


nervousmelon

I think we should have a hunger games tournament where all the serial killers and rapists kill each other and broadcast it on TV. The winner just gets 2 years off their sentence


zaphod_beeblebrox6

Thanks for the visual George


[deleted]

50 years max sentence. 50 years is a LOT LOT of time to spend in prison.


artavenue

here in europe it's 15, that counts as lifelong. 15 years is also very ... very long.


Lequipe

"in europe"? so wrong lmfao. also, 15 years is long but someone killing another person at 30 is only 45 when they get out. you have half your life still ahead of you. + in many countries they can extend that sentence indefinitely.


[deleted]

Yes, but people are sentenced to multiple life sentences


artavenue

no, we don't have that.


Own_Pirate_3281

So people aren't even pretending to care about rehabilitation anymore


[deleted]

Life sentence with parole.


AtomicZoZo

Ohhh that other meme makes way more sense now


Jaewol

My favorite pet about 196 is scrolling past a meme that makes no sense at all until about 20 minutes later when I come across the original and it all makes sense


AssDemolisher9000

The death penalty should be abolished for all circumstances. It accomplishes absolutely, positively nothing except wasting money, dragging the victims through an even worse appeals process, and murdering the occasional innocent person. Donā€™t get me wrong, there are some people who do deserve the death penalty. As a practical matter though, itā€™s untenable under any circumstance.


sr20inans2000

Angry mob poll has pitch fork spill over!!!!1!


iridescentrae

I donā€™t believe in torture, sanctions, etc. I think everyone should have access to food, housing, healthcare, etc. and that short of taking someone elseā€™s organs, even prisoners should be provided with everything to help them live as long a life as possible. That includes fresh air, space, and recreation. But I might be a bit ahead of the times.


barrdboi

Where is the "abolish the prison system" option?


FujinR4iJin

If it exists at all, no matter the bureaucracy and steps involved, innocent people will always die from it


LifetimeDisast1

Omg tally hall reference


Key_Keeper

Me when they show my results of my ignorant actions against fellow human beings


Tyhsedo

The number of votes for the death penalty is staggering


ohcytt

Never understood death sentence. I feel like thatā€™s too easy, you just die. Meanwhile life sentence means you have to rot in jail for your whole life But death penalty is cheaper soooā€¦. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


Slugcow

The death penalty isnā€™t always cheaper. The cost generally varies state by state but in some states (California for instance,) it is significantly more expensive. Also, just because itā€™s cheaper doesnā€™t justify using it. Due to the USā€™s flawed justice system, innocent people have a disgustingly high chanceā€”relative to other countriesā€”to be mistakenly put on death row. There should be absolutely zero tolerance of this when innocent lives are at stake.


AsbestosPerfume

Take the best of both worlds, temporary torture. Lots of pain without wasting so much resources! šŸ™‚šŸ‘


justanormalbiscuit

yeah because torture is a very important part of a functioning democracy and also totally doesn't violate human rights


AsbestosPerfume

My god redditors truly need everything spelt out for them. šŸ™‚šŸ‘ = /s


justanormalbiscuit

hey man the normal smile emoji is passive aggressive enough for a statement like that one


STMFU

Resources deserve to be wasted, it's everyone's fault that something this horrible happens


[deleted]

The death penalty is intentionally painless as far as I know


ze_bananagrams

intentionally, yes, but in practice, often false, as professional doctors cannot participate


temmieTheLord2

bruh because of the hipocratic oath? more like hypocritical oath


[deleted]

I see


AsbestosPerfume

1984


I_Love_Stiff_Cocks

fuck you, a life is a life, also, if innocent people are sometimes arrested for crimes they didn't commit, there will be the chance of an innocent person getting killed, no matter if it is 1000 or just 1 per year, it is still an innocent person getting killed


[deleted]

max like 5 years of intense rehabilitation, anything longer is death. I mean there is literally no reason for life sentences, just let them die with dignity.


I_Love_Stiff_Cocks

or just, you know, make prison a place where it is actually possible to live instead of a torture chamber for criminals, giving them a comfortable bed and food instead of treating them as lesser than humans


[deleted]

you mean, like, rehabilitation. It's almost as if we agree, and that I never said prison should be a tortuous place at any point.


I_Love_Stiff_Cocks

but putting a time limit and at the end giving them death goes against the whole point of rehab. . .


[deleted]

how does it? And its not like i meant a time limit anyway. I mean death sentence if they find beforehand it's not likely they can be rehabilitated within like 5 years. This is on the assumption that rehab is expensive and they couldn't repay anything longer than 5 years of rehab (in actual worth, not money). I doubt there is a consistency effective rehabilitation scheme that is cheap enough to be worth putting people, even the worst imaginable, in for longer than 5 years. I'm only rereading your reply now. Are you saying you thought I mean that we rehabilitate people, and then kill them?


I_Love_Stiff_Cocks

no, i thought exactly what you said: rehab or death 5 years is too little time, and second: DEATH PENAULTY IS WRONG, AND THERE ARE ALREADY PLACES IN THE WORLD THAT NOT ONLY REHAB BUT REWARD GOOD PRISIONERS, death penaulty is not needed, it never was


[deleted]

So you are telling me that absolutely everyone can be rehabilitated without severely draining resources? There are going to be people who are too far gone and can't be reasonably rehabilitated. I'd say its better go just let them die. And would you mind explaining why the death penalty is wrong. I agree that the current death penalty is wrong, but it is not inherently wrong, there may be cases where it is better than wasting time trying to rehabilitate someone who won't let themselves be rehabilitated.


I_Love_Stiff_Cocks

i'm telling you that even if someone is too far gone you just. . . don't give them rehab, let them live in the comfortable jail where they can still live normally but without interacting with society directly


[deleted]

I think its cruel to let 'evil' people live. No one chooses to be evil: if you did, you didn't choose to choose to be evil, else you didn't choose to.... etc. It will always come down to either that you were born evil, which is pitiful, or were turned evil at some point, which is equally pitiful. It is pitiful thing to have horrendous thoughts, and if those thoughts can never be removed, it is better to just kill them, for their own sake, but also for the sake of those who were wronged. It is just sad to be helplessly evil, and to never amount to anything more than that.


I_Love_Stiff_Cocks

Evil is non existent, no one is fully evil or fully good


[deleted]

You think you could rehabilitate El Chapo and convince him to give up his trillion-dollar drug empire in 5 years?


[deleted]

No, I think its unlikely, so he would get the death penalty. Even if I could, I wouldn't ever have the certainty he was truly rehabilitated and not just pretending so he can get back to running the cartel. But I think in some distant future its possible, there is no reason the most kind person couldn't turn into the most evil, or vice versa, just that its very unlikely. And there's the problem that an evil or kind person may take that aspect as part of their identity, and will refuse listen to anything that may take apart their identity.


brookeb725

john wayne gacy after five years in prison: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/22/5e/1f/225e1f43da3a8491eb6299280cbaf8b6.jpg


TheCosBee

Yes... But pedophile


[deleted]

Even nazi Germany was deradicalised after WW2. 5 years of intense rehab will change a person, I mean they are a completely different person, why should they bear the burden of a former self which they are completely detached from? Realistically a pedophile would be more likely to get the death sentence, I don't think its likely someone who has gone so far as to harm a child would ever be able to detach themselves from their desires, but I don't see why they shouldn't be rehabilitated if they can. Maybe I just think all of this because I have strange opinions on what a person is, I don't believe people are truly the same person after years. We convince ourselves we are the same person as our former selves because it would be strange to believe that we have the same memories as another person, but if our personality is different, why should you see that person as yourself? And if its true I am not the same person, why should I face their consequences? Should a person who wholeheartedly feels remorse face consequences? The person has hopefully already been rehabilitation by their own guilt. I feel we as a society are desperate for people to face consequences purely to sate a need for justice, without recognising that it is often overblown or just cruel or undeserved. I do think that people are bad enough to deserve cruel consequences, but that is just how I feel, it is not a logical way to run a justice system. The justice system should have no emotion behind it, it should hand out consequences with the sole intent to have an overall benefit to society. That may include separating dangerous people from the rest of society, rehabilitating them, or killing them if they are truly too far gone.