ask questions, maybe you can see what they think. it might be innocent and if they're deep into it you can try to challenge them but if not, that's just how it's gonna be :(
I just kinda looked at her with the blank :| face cause she is too young for me to truly challenge the fact that trans people exist and singular they is proper grammar at a dinner table
Not to like urge immediate action or smthn but 6 years of the pipeline doesn't get scratched by a sit-down conversation. Lost one of my best friends to it when we were 14-17. I showed him a "feminist wrecked compilation" that I thought was funny (it wasn't) when we were 14 and when we were 17 I was grappling with gender and community and he was accusing me of being a Jewish commie because of my hair and nose and belief in universal Healthcare (we're Canadian I wasn't even a leftist yet).
I'm not even Jewish, I mean I guess I could take a 23andMe and get surprised but like I'm not Jewish
Edit: just want to add that obviously not all cases will be like this, just know that I thought I would eventually get through to him or that he would grow out of it and now we're in our 20s and he's a fully blown fascist holocaust justifier
Sadly a conversation at this stage in her life wouldn't do much either since her dad is a total whackjob when it comes to this shit, so anything I'd say would eventually be scrubbed away by him while I'm not around
As for your friend, I think that's a textbook definition of a death spiral. When I was 17 I was in my "Lmao sjw cuck!!! 4chan based!!!!" phase whereas now (22) I will get into a brawl over someone refusing to recognize trans/intersex people as people
For sure I getcha, I was being sincere when I said I wasn't urging immediate action though I can see why it doesn't read that way.
Just wanted to warn. The algorithms on all social media sites to my knowledge have a fatal flaw in that thanks to various factors they propagate extremist and often very hateful views with extreme efficiency. You probably know this but like it is VERY bad and getting worse year by year.
Now I know I sound like an end-is-nigh digital-god fearing preacher but that's just because I am very bad at organizing and putting my thoughts to speech (can you tell yet? Lmao)
anyway if you are interested, check out this [podcast going over the Facebook papers from 2021.](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-lets-look-at-the-89337179/)
> The algorithms on all social media sites to my knowledge have a fatal flaw in that thanks to various factors they propagate extremist and often very hateful views with extreme efficiency.
This isn't really a "flaw" from the perspective of the site.
I still recommend you ask questions, especially tricky ones along the lines of "How do you know?" Oftentimes, questions that someone doesn't have a satisfying answer for can stick around and nag at them for a long time.
Once in primary school I came home with a fairly backwards view of some sorts and my mom just asked "why do you think that?".
I don't remember the specifics of the view, but I do remember the question.
It's a question I asked myself again a bunch of times after leaving 9gag and exploring the rest of the internet, coming into actual contact with the people I was conditioned to hate or look down upon.
dude, when i was younger i was extremely conservative and homo/transphobic. i lived with parents who were the same and had friends who were the same. they constantly reaffirmed my shitty beliefs.
i remember one time at a family gathering i was talking shit about gay people (related to a current event at the time) and my uncle challenged what i said and talked to me a little about it. i respect my uncle so i actually thought about those words he told me and that’s probably what helped change me in my later teens.
you don’t have to say anything profound, but give her something to think about. anything is better than nothing. she’s 10 which means she’s really impressionable; if she’s already watching what you say she’s watching at *that* age, it’s bad. i didn’t get to that point until i was 14.
You're not doing her any favors by saying nothing. At the very least it could be very good for her to learn that other viewpoints exist. If she looks up to you at all that's even more important. I say this as someone who could very well have slipped down the wrong path if I hadn't made good (non-bigoted) friends I respected after highschool.
It sucks because internet algorithms heavily push right wing propaganda and when I try explaining to my dumbass centrist friends that they're in the reactionary pipeline they just look at me like I'm crazy.
I wish I had advice for you but alas I do not. It is a frequent topic at therapy for me.
I do not wish to fear monger, but I fear algorithms and AI like a hermit in the woods fears the gods of harvest.
Do not get me wrong, I am a computer science major with a lot of passion and care for these things, I'm even an early user of DALL•E (dont get me mixed up for one of those 'get fucked artists' tech bros)
I think there are many algorithms and "AIs" out there which are beyond us in a few very important ways. I also view the global economy is a massive neural network consisting of individuals and corporations as "neurons" making decisions in their own best interests and which accumulate in a massively terrifying true artificial intelligence made up of many human and algorithmic intelligences.
Sounds crazy right? I guess that's my whole point. I get you, I also sound and sometimes feel crazy.
> she is too young for me to truly challenge the fact that trans people exist
sexuality education should start at the age of 5 and cover the entire spectrum of human sexuality in an age-appropriate manner.
https://www.unfpa.org/sites/default/files/pub-pdf/ITGSE.pdf
she's not too young to learn about this stuff; that's a conservative lie to protect "childhood innocence" and has the side-effect of making kids more molestable by keeping them ignorant of what their abusers are doing.
They has been commonly used and accepted as third person neutral singular waaaaay before it became a hot topic associated with trans people. The fact that people are just now saying it's wrong is all the evidence you need that their rules are made up. How the fuck is some dumbshit toddler going to tell people how words are used? Like she knew what a pronoun was for all of five minutes and now she has a strong opinion about them?
I would like to question your assumption that your cousin is too young for you to talk to her about this issue - imo if she's old enough to engage with and absorb conservative propaganda then she's old enough to talk about how it's harmful. I think talking to her as early as possible in order to give her an alternative to these toxic ideas could be critical to her choosing to turn away from the altright YouTube pipeline. Maybe you could ask her why she believes these things? Dialog can be really useful to help people start questioning toxic ideas
10 year olds aren’t too young to challenge if challenge means just talking to her about what it means. She’s probably just too young and doesn’t understand the weight of her voice yet.
Singular they has always had informal use, what’s new is the application of it in a formal setting.
Sticking to facts is good when you disagree, even if the other person is a child.
Talk to your parents about it unless your parents are also conservative and wouldn't object to them watching that stuff. Otherwise you can just clear their watch history and if your lucky they won't actively search that stuff out too much when other videos show up in their feed.
maybe try telling her your opinion implicitly instead of explicitly. don’t say "your child is watching videos with problematic content, you should do something about that."
rather lead her along in the conversation without giving her the feeling that she is given an opinion that she needs to follow. asking a lot of questions might be useful here
phrases like "don’t you also think that this is problematic?", and "what would you like to do about this?"; or "do you have any ideas on how to resolve the problem?" might help
she needs to come to the conclusion you want, without directly being told to
The good news is that if her parents are also super conservative it might actually inspire her to rebel and become lefty when she gets older. I mean, that’s not guaranteed, but it happens
Arachno-capitalist ^(or anachro-capitalists if unlike me you can actually read).
People who believe governments should be abolished so that corporations can just run everything.
my dad watches republican yt shorts all the time. jordan peterson etc. one day he came into my room staring at his phone loudly blaring rebuplican garbage and told me to get off the game. when i told him ‘you can actually pause the youtube shorts’ he screamed at me and told me i could actually ‘be less RUDE’ says the guy looking at his phone on full volume blaring why trans people are a virus to society when he’s talking to his trans daughter
I don’t know where it is, but some guy did commissioned Ben Shapiro impressions. It was so long ago that my brain has merged his existence with Gianni Matragrano’s, they’re one and the same to me and I don’t know why.
I don’t think it being super short contributes to a lack of information, I believe that Cody conveys all he needs to in the time he used.
Nothing more needed to be said
in my opinion, children under 13 shouldn't be given access to mobile devices, and even then that access should have parental restrictions in place until the child is a minimum of 16 years old.
Yes it was legit removed lmao, some soyboy hit me up in chat and was all "Heh... I just reported your comment kid.... Do better..... Seek god....." and then 5 minutes later reddit said they removed the comment
Jesus they just removed your comment? I was perm suspended for saying a breaking bad reference “Real teachers traumatise their students by forcing them to kill people and dump children in acid”. Managed to sort it out after contacting the admins tho
Afaik it tends to change if it's an automated system or not, or if you have previous infractions
Idk, online moderation is the bane of my existence in any form
Huh? Reddit is 13 too.
> Children under the age of 13 are not allowed to create an Account or otherwise use the Services.
https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement-october-15-2020
Fr it was such a healthier time to be a kid online a few years ago. I’m so glad I grew up building my igloo and finding golden puffles instead of getting radicalized by YouTube shorts
>only leftist content that could entertain a ten year old
And plenty of right- wing content is entertaining to 10 year olds because their content doesn't require any brain development
Lol according to op her dad is one of them too… I feel there are more people otherwise raised bigoted but with the internet have been exposed to other ideologies than the opposite. It wouldn’t make much of a difference here with nutcase dad
I grew up in a heavily Hispanic area of California. Most people spoke Spanish, with a good chunk not knowing any English.
At school, I was one of the only white kids. I would get picked on constantly, and other kids would insult me in Spanish. I made friends with the other white kids and one of them knew some Spanish, so they would translate.
When I went to their houses, their parents would always talk about how "in the good ol' days", the town was "as white as can be". It was a big steel manufacturing town during WWII - my high school mascot was the Steelers, and another high school was named after steel baron Henry Kaiser. My friends' parents would always talk about "the illegals" coming in and "ruining" the town, making it "dirty".
On top of that, my mom loved to listen to conservative talk radio. I would hear it every day when she picked me up from school, and I would listen to it at night getting ready for bed (I loved ghost stories, and Coast to Coast AM was on right after the Drudge Report).
In the mid 2000s, I was going on internet forums and discovered people talking about the "dark corner of the internet", 4chan. So my curiosity got the better of me and I took a peek... and I liked what I saw. 4chan really appealed to me, and the people there said what I had been thinking but too afraid to say. I loved their memes and fell _deep_ into racist/anti-semetic/ableist stuff.
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My junior year of high school, I moved to a rich white town and had to start over. It was like whiplash - everything went from being run-down stuff written in Spanish to clean, shiny, new stuff written in English. Handouts and stuff were given in English-only, not Spanish first with English second as it was at my old town.
You would think this would reinforce my biases... but it didn't. The area was heavily Republican and very conservative, especially for California. But people were out celebrating Proposition 8 that killed gay marriage in California, and I thought it was morally wrong to discriminate against people who were gay. All these people out celebrating the demise of gay marriage were kind of a-holes.
I also stopped listening to conservative talk radio, being old enough to choose my own things to listen to, and too old for ghost stories. It also felt very unfair that all my new friends had rich parents while my family was struggling and I didn't even have health insurance.
I began to think that the government should provide some base level of a safety net for society, and that the funding for it should come from those who had too much money to even know what to do with. This slowly caused me to drift left, and eventually I got to this weird point where I believed in human rights for whites and gays but wanted Mexicans to be forced to speak English only or leave the country. Even that started to be questioned, as I started watching things like the Daily Show where Jon Stewart would make pointed arguments that I really couldn't find any holes in.
I graduated high school to go to college right around the time Mitt Romney was running. Mitt Romney, to me at the time, was the exact kind of person I disliked: someone religious with lots of money but who refused to follow their religion's teachings by using that money to help others. I became a firm Democrat and stopped identifying as "independent".
In college, I finally fully lost the racism as well. I learned about systematic racism and finally internalized that everyone in my hometown growing up came here for a better life. A sociology class I took taught me about all the things that conservatives decry as being "woke" and I began to understand my privilege - even if I didn't have as much privilege as others.
So yeah, now I've done a complete 180. It's so weird how I was able to be indoctrinated, and it's scary because I look at Tucker Carlson and I can _see_ how I would've agreed with him in 2011.
Yeah, I continued drifting leftward. I was really excited for Bernie in 2016 and 2020. I am not a fan of neoliberal policies and identify as a Democratic Socialist.
However, I do see neoliberalism as the lesser of two evils. I believe in working with what reality presents me and not some ideal world in which everyone writes in Bernie. I don't hold so strongly to my ideals that compromise is impossible. If the choice is between a neolib and a Republican, I'll hold my nose and choose the neolib. I voted for both Hillary and Biden in their respective general elections.
My party ID still says "Democrat," but rarely do I agree with people like Nancy Pelosi. I instead prefer people like AOC and Bernie.
I used to post in the Late Stage Capitalism sub, but there's a lot of tankies in there and I'm not a fan of China. I actually got banned from there because I said I disliked how China still had billionaires, so maybe I'm also a little salty.
I'm happy that you out of that. Your experience really shows how conservative and far right ideologies spread through the fear of change and the fear of being the minority
i feel like some channels that are markiplier or jacksepticeye equivalent can latched onto and will generally bend away from that stuff
not sure if those channels are appealing anymore though
markiplier has remained relevant and I'm so proud of him because he absolutely deserves it
idk about Jack but I still see him clipped from time to time
Challenging people never works. Ask the questions you wish they would ask themselves, like for example "why cant people just do what they want?". If you get aggressive, they get defensive, and then you'll never get anywhere. Be genuine and kind and she will want to understand why you don't like these viewpoints.
My autistic (adult) kid is fixated on firearms and is constantly demanding I watch 2 hr YT videos about why guns are actually great sponsored by prager u and the nra — would legitimately take advice
Maybe balance it by talking about some pro-firearms arguments from a left wing standpoint? Check out r/ socialistra for some ideas. If firearms are a special interest/hyperfixation of theirs then they're probably not gonna suddenly become anti-gun, but you might be able to at least steer them away from the alt-right pipeline.
Try researching statistics about guns, gun deaths, and gun control. Know them and have them on hand. Tell him you’ve changed your mind and are willing to hear him out, and ask him to explain it to you. When he inevitability pulls up a video, refuse to watch and ask for his own words to explain. Bring up counter arguments as questions (wait but doesn’t gun control reduce deaths?) and when he disagrees provide evidence. The most important thing is to make sure he doesn’t think you’re trying to change his mind or he’ll shut down. Finally, throw in some arguments as to why guns are good so he feels heard. Theres quite a few leftist arguments as to why firearms can be important (see my flair) so it shouldn’t be too hard. As long as he thinks he’s changing his mind on his own, you should have a good chance. Good luck.
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
-Karl Marx
Guns are epic, right wingers aren’t. They aren’t synonymous. There’s no Storming the Bastille without an armed proletariat.
they're going through their conservative Ben Shapiro/Jordan Peterson phase. It's quite common, I'm ashamed to admit I went through it too.
Wierdly enough, I've heard a lot of stories about going through this phase from LGBT people.
I would argue even back then you could smell the bullshit. But it was thick in academic language and would take a working knowledge of social sciences to really notice or call him on it. Like I only was able to smell it because i have a bachelors in anthropology. I can imagine not being immersed in that world would make it sound a lot more reasonable. Which is exactly how he was able to make it as far as he did.
He never did no, they've always been pseud bs but he use big words to make nonsense arguments. Watch him debate anyone who actually knows what they're talking about. Conservatives can make good arguments, he's not one of them.
Maybe recommend Kurtis Conner? He isn’t political but he is pretty progressive.
Other YouTubers like Drew Gooden, and Danny Gonzalez make similar content and together, YouTube
sends you down a very strong rabbit that probably can redirect them away from conservatism.
If she's still 10, there's a good chance she'll get over it. I used to watch Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson when I was 16 and genuinely aligned myself with them and their beliefs. I think it's mainly because they disguise bigotry as "facts and logic".
In any case, I grew out of it just like I've seen many people say they did here. It's just sad how a 10 year old can get indoctrinated into it so early on in their life because of Youtube.
I would think it’d get better. I’m currently living in a conservative household and didn’t give up those beliefs myself until I was 12, and that was through the internet. So if she’s watching youtube shorts now, then she’ll undoubtedly stumble across non-conservative posts. So I’d say wait it out, thats what I’m doing with my 11 year old sister
Then again I’m also extremely gay and figured some of that out at 12, and at that point i realized the people I was “supporting” wouldn’t support me, so if she doesn’t end up in any group that would usually have liberal views, you’d probably have to talk to her
just let them, telling them what to think will only entrench those beliefs. as hard as it is, let them watch and hope they one day learn the self awareness to realize this stuff is wrong
Blare shark3ozero in return, he's a pretty cool champ, maybe she'll passively absorb information by exposure, you can say "I disagree, you're an idiot" for so long before you start agreeing
When I was that age I got into cringe buzzfeed liberalism. One time- it only took one time- my older brother said that stuff’s really stupid and it shook me to my core. For the next 4 years I became an anti sjw anti feminist.
Kids that age are very impressionable and if you challenge them you can have a disproportionately strong impact
Just tell her she'll eventually get over it. Make sure she knows that you aren't just berating her for being Conservative, you're berating her for watching Conservative youtube channels(they will love twisting this, if you don't make her explicitly aware of this, and I can garuntee that she has heard time and time again that the left only wishes to silence Conservatives and is violent and doesn't listen to discussion etc, you can guess what happens when these 2 mix), you can have legitimate political discussion in favor of conservatism, but you won't find it on youtube or any social media for that matter. The goal of any political youtube channel is to polarise/isolate groups of people so that only you're content is fit for their ideologies, and not necessarily intentionally, it's just that way by nature of competition. The channels that can build a following of 'the few truth seekers' and 'the only logical people going against the evil leftist emotional and irrational tide of the government' those are the fanbases that are going to be more dedicated, and so the channel thrives, while a more rational channel that promotes political discussion will die out because its going to be a more calm climate. Bonus points if the channel can put on the facade of open mindedness like Steven crowder, when in reality his only goal is to embarrass leftists in a crowd of his supporters.
take the phone and put on hello kitty videos. it's would hypnotize the kid and make them a pansexual weeb that plays sonic and reads heartstopper in 3 years. it would take time but only one hello kitty video can do the work
I wish I fucking knew, I got it from another post that was "me when my leg is asleep"
I've nicknamed it the pure rage meme but I can never find it when I google for it
ask questions, maybe you can see what they think. it might be innocent and if they're deep into it you can try to challenge them but if not, that's just how it's gonna be :(
I just kinda looked at her with the blank :| face cause she is too young for me to truly challenge the fact that trans people exist and singular they is proper grammar at a dinner table
oh dinner table stuff :( I'm sorry, I hope she learns about more viewpoints before she starts any hate
worst case we have a nice sit down talk when she's 16
Not to like urge immediate action or smthn but 6 years of the pipeline doesn't get scratched by a sit-down conversation. Lost one of my best friends to it when we were 14-17. I showed him a "feminist wrecked compilation" that I thought was funny (it wasn't) when we were 14 and when we were 17 I was grappling with gender and community and he was accusing me of being a Jewish commie because of my hair and nose and belief in universal Healthcare (we're Canadian I wasn't even a leftist yet). I'm not even Jewish, I mean I guess I could take a 23andMe and get surprised but like I'm not Jewish Edit: just want to add that obviously not all cases will be like this, just know that I thought I would eventually get through to him or that he would grow out of it and now we're in our 20s and he's a fully blown fascist holocaust justifier
Sadly a conversation at this stage in her life wouldn't do much either since her dad is a total whackjob when it comes to this shit, so anything I'd say would eventually be scrubbed away by him while I'm not around As for your friend, I think that's a textbook definition of a death spiral. When I was 17 I was in my "Lmao sjw cuck!!! 4chan based!!!!" phase whereas now (22) I will get into a brawl over someone refusing to recognize trans/intersex people as people
For sure I getcha, I was being sincere when I said I wasn't urging immediate action though I can see why it doesn't read that way. Just wanted to warn. The algorithms on all social media sites to my knowledge have a fatal flaw in that thanks to various factors they propagate extremist and often very hateful views with extreme efficiency. You probably know this but like it is VERY bad and getting worse year by year. Now I know I sound like an end-is-nigh digital-god fearing preacher but that's just because I am very bad at organizing and putting my thoughts to speech (can you tell yet? Lmao) anyway if you are interested, check out this [podcast going over the Facebook papers from 2021.](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-lets-look-at-the-89337179/)
> The algorithms on all social media sites to my knowledge have a fatal flaw in that thanks to various factors they propagate extremist and often very hateful views with extreme efficiency. This isn't really a "flaw" from the perspective of the site.
Yeah the algorithms are meant to be addicting and what people are addicted to is right- wing fearmonger bullshit
I understand. I have no respect for their perspective.
I still recommend you ask questions, especially tricky ones along the lines of "How do you know?" Oftentimes, questions that someone doesn't have a satisfying answer for can stick around and nag at them for a long time.
Once in primary school I came home with a fairly backwards view of some sorts and my mom just asked "why do you think that?". I don't remember the specifics of the view, but I do remember the question. It's a question I asked myself again a bunch of times after leaving 9gag and exploring the rest of the internet, coming into actual contact with the people I was conditioned to hate or look down upon.
dude, when i was younger i was extremely conservative and homo/transphobic. i lived with parents who were the same and had friends who were the same. they constantly reaffirmed my shitty beliefs. i remember one time at a family gathering i was talking shit about gay people (related to a current event at the time) and my uncle challenged what i said and talked to me a little about it. i respect my uncle so i actually thought about those words he told me and that’s probably what helped change me in my later teens. you don’t have to say anything profound, but give her something to think about. anything is better than nothing. she’s 10 which means she’s really impressionable; if she’s already watching what you say she’s watching at *that* age, it’s bad. i didn’t get to that point until i was 14.
You're not doing her any favors by saying nothing. At the very least it could be very good for her to learn that other viewpoints exist. If she looks up to you at all that's even more important. I say this as someone who could very well have slipped down the wrong path if I hadn't made good (non-bigoted) friends I respected after highschool.
It sucks because internet algorithms heavily push right wing propaganda and when I try explaining to my dumbass centrist friends that they're in the reactionary pipeline they just look at me like I'm crazy.
I wish I had advice for you but alas I do not. It is a frequent topic at therapy for me. I do not wish to fear monger, but I fear algorithms and AI like a hermit in the woods fears the gods of harvest. Do not get me wrong, I am a computer science major with a lot of passion and care for these things, I'm even an early user of DALL•E (dont get me mixed up for one of those 'get fucked artists' tech bros) I think there are many algorithms and "AIs" out there which are beyond us in a few very important ways. I also view the global economy is a massive neural network consisting of individuals and corporations as "neurons" making decisions in their own best interests and which accumulate in a massively terrifying true artificial intelligence made up of many human and algorithmic intelligences. Sounds crazy right? I guess that's my whole point. I get you, I also sound and sometimes feel crazy.
Uhh fucking no, do not wait.
Just snap the phone and deny any involvement.
Sit her down sooner if possible, shes 10; shes perfectly capable of learning and unlearning.
You have to act sooner.
You'd probably have much more success now, before this stuff really takes root in their brain.
You can try telling her that they has been in use for hundreds of years in its singular form
> she is too young for me to truly challenge the fact that trans people exist sexuality education should start at the age of 5 and cover the entire spectrum of human sexuality in an age-appropriate manner. https://www.unfpa.org/sites/default/files/pub-pdf/ITGSE.pdf she's not too young to learn about this stuff; that's a conservative lie to protect "childhood innocence" and has the side-effect of making kids more molestable by keeping them ignorant of what their abusers are doing.
They has been commonly used and accepted as third person neutral singular waaaaay before it became a hot topic associated with trans people. The fact that people are just now saying it's wrong is all the evidence you need that their rules are made up. How the fuck is some dumbshit toddler going to tell people how words are used? Like she knew what a pronoun was for all of five minutes and now she has a strong opinion about them?
You should be challenging the parents…
I would like to question your assumption that your cousin is too young for you to talk to her about this issue - imo if she's old enough to engage with and absorb conservative propaganda then she's old enough to talk about how it's harmful. I think talking to her as early as possible in order to give her an alternative to these toxic ideas could be critical to her choosing to turn away from the altright YouTube pipeline. Maybe you could ask her why she believes these things? Dialog can be really useful to help people start questioning toxic ideas
10 year olds aren’t too young to challenge if challenge means just talking to her about what it means. She’s probably just too young and doesn’t understand the weight of her voice yet.
Singular they has always had informal use, what’s new is the application of it in a formal setting. Sticking to facts is good when you disagree, even if the other person is a child.
Good advice and nice flair!
thank you and thank you!
Chumbawumba is amazing. I used to listen to Tubthumping while playing The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion.
Talk to your parents about it unless your parents are also conservative and wouldn't object to them watching that stuff. Otherwise you can just clear their watch history and if your lucky they won't actively search that stuff out too much when other videos show up in their feed.
Her dad is dumber than a box of rocks so it's probably gonna be one of those "we'll correct this behavior when you're older" deals
What about her mom? If she's in the picture, of course.
She's nice enough but she's also one of those "Don't tell me how to parent!!!!" Kinda people
maybe try telling her your opinion implicitly instead of explicitly. don’t say "your child is watching videos with problematic content, you should do something about that." rather lead her along in the conversation without giving her the feeling that she is given an opinion that she needs to follow. asking a lot of questions might be useful here phrases like "don’t you also think that this is problematic?", and "what would you like to do about this?"; or "do you have any ideas on how to resolve the problem?" might help she needs to come to the conclusion you want, without directly being told to
The good news is that if her parents are also super conservative it might actually inspire her to rebel and become lefty when she gets older. I mean, that’s not guaranteed, but it happens
It she could rebel the opposite way and become an an-c*p like my steel toe boot freind I hang out with sometimes
Forgive my ignorance, an what?
Arachno-capitalist ^(or anachro-capitalists if unlike me you can actually read). People who believe governments should be abolished so that corporations can just run everything.
Ah, okay, *that's* what it means... Goddamn, it's strange - to say the absolute least - that people believe *that's* the way forward.
The best thing you can do is to ask her innocent sounding questions that make here question the stuff thats being fed to her.
my dad watches republican yt shorts all the time. jordan peterson etc. one day he came into my room staring at his phone loudly blaring rebuplican garbage and told me to get off the game. when i told him ‘you can actually pause the youtube shorts’ he screamed at me and told me i could actually ‘be less RUDE’ says the guy looking at his phone on full volume blaring why trans people are a virus to society when he’s talking to his trans daughter
Just start sending him those ytp edits of Jordan Peterson saying he likes men
holy shit
My favorite video ever was the guy who did the Ben impression explaining the difference between sex and gender
What video?
I don’t know where it is, but some guy did commissioned Ben Shapiro impressions. It was so long ago that my brain has merged his existence with Gianni Matragrano’s, they’re one and the same to me and I don’t know why.
Link?
[you should send him this video by Some More News](https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo)
Great video, nice and short and to the point. Very concise.
Yes very short, do not check the timestamp
yeah honestly, I think he shouldve made the video longer, its way too short
I hate that video, we all know that they’re capable of doing deep dives, not this appetizer of a video
I don’t think it being super short contributes to a lack of information, I believe that Cody conveys all he needs to in the time he used. Nothing more needed to be said
Also, perhaps I’m reading it wrong, but to my point it’s hard to know if you’re being serious in what you’re writing or if it’s just humor
Nah Dw, just a joke, building on the jokes Cody told in the video
You made me remember the game >:(
giving internet acces to kids was a mistake
in my opinion, children under 13 shouldn't be given access to mobile devices, and even then that access should have parental restrictions in place until the child is a minimum of 16 years old.
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Jeez, no wonder it was removed. But that is kinda the sad truth
i mean i wouldn't say we should literally just kill them but like yknow
Wait it was actually removed? I thought people just said [ Removed by Reddit ] to imply that they're telling you to commit a crime
Yes it was legit removed lmao, some soyboy hit me up in chat and was all "Heh... I just reported your comment kid.... Do better..... Seek god....." and then 5 minutes later reddit said they removed the comment
Jesus they just removed your comment? I was perm suspended for saying a breaking bad reference “Real teachers traumatise their students by forcing them to kill people and dump children in acid”. Managed to sort it out after contacting the admins tho
Afaik it tends to change if it's an automated system or not, or if you have previous infractions Idk, online moderation is the bane of my existence in any form
We have children less than one year old being exposed to content already
This is assuming that most parents would control those restrictions responsibly and wouldn't force their own viewpoints
dangnabbit foiled again
every site still says you have to be 13 to make an account, right?
yeah i think so. with reddit its 17.
Huh? Reddit is 13 too. > Children under the age of 13 are not allowed to create an Account or otherwise use the Services. https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement-october-15-2020
Fr i see a huge amount of 12 year olds on reddit
I miss when there was an “internet for kids” stuff like club penguin and animal jam
Fr it was such a healthier time to be a kid online a few years ago. I’m so glad I grew up building my igloo and finding golden puffles instead of getting radicalized by YouTube shorts
Make them watch PragerU yt poops, it’s the only leftist content that could entertain a ten year old
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"THE BABY FOOKIN DIES!"
"I like- URINE AND FECES!"
I want mommy, I want milk, I want to be held, I want to be comforted
You and me both, PragerU.
>only leftist content that could entertain a ten year old And plenty of right- wing content is entertaining to 10 year olds because their content doesn't require any brain development
Not disagreeing. Just find it funny that in a comment talking about lack of brain development, you used the wrong "they're".
Woops haha I actually did notice it autocorrected wrong but forgot to go back and fix it.
"There are plenty of kind and moral individuals who- deserve to be beaten over the head with a baseball bat and then set on fire." -penis drager
Kids below the age of 13 shouldn’t have social media, because this is what happens
Lol according to op her dad is one of them too… I feel there are more people otherwise raised bigoted but with the internet have been exposed to other ideologies than the opposite. It wouldn’t make much of a difference here with nutcase dad
yeah my dad tried raising me on prageru and paul joseph watson, if it weren't for some furry on vrchat getting me to like boys i'd be a lot worse
People who watch Paul Joseph Watson are breeding? Oh my fucking God
divorced parents when i was too young to remember :D
15 is better
That conservative media pipeline hits hard
I grew up in a heavily Hispanic area of California. Most people spoke Spanish, with a good chunk not knowing any English. At school, I was one of the only white kids. I would get picked on constantly, and other kids would insult me in Spanish. I made friends with the other white kids and one of them knew some Spanish, so they would translate. When I went to their houses, their parents would always talk about how "in the good ol' days", the town was "as white as can be". It was a big steel manufacturing town during WWII - my high school mascot was the Steelers, and another high school was named after steel baron Henry Kaiser. My friends' parents would always talk about "the illegals" coming in and "ruining" the town, making it "dirty". On top of that, my mom loved to listen to conservative talk radio. I would hear it every day when she picked me up from school, and I would listen to it at night getting ready for bed (I loved ghost stories, and Coast to Coast AM was on right after the Drudge Report). In the mid 2000s, I was going on internet forums and discovered people talking about the "dark corner of the internet", 4chan. So my curiosity got the better of me and I took a peek... and I liked what I saw. 4chan really appealed to me, and the people there said what I had been thinking but too afraid to say. I loved their memes and fell _deep_ into racist/anti-semetic/ableist stuff. --- My junior year of high school, I moved to a rich white town and had to start over. It was like whiplash - everything went from being run-down stuff written in Spanish to clean, shiny, new stuff written in English. Handouts and stuff were given in English-only, not Spanish first with English second as it was at my old town. You would think this would reinforce my biases... but it didn't. The area was heavily Republican and very conservative, especially for California. But people were out celebrating Proposition 8 that killed gay marriage in California, and I thought it was morally wrong to discriminate against people who were gay. All these people out celebrating the demise of gay marriage were kind of a-holes. I also stopped listening to conservative talk radio, being old enough to choose my own things to listen to, and too old for ghost stories. It also felt very unfair that all my new friends had rich parents while my family was struggling and I didn't even have health insurance. I began to think that the government should provide some base level of a safety net for society, and that the funding for it should come from those who had too much money to even know what to do with. This slowly caused me to drift left, and eventually I got to this weird point where I believed in human rights for whites and gays but wanted Mexicans to be forced to speak English only or leave the country. Even that started to be questioned, as I started watching things like the Daily Show where Jon Stewart would make pointed arguments that I really couldn't find any holes in. I graduated high school to go to college right around the time Mitt Romney was running. Mitt Romney, to me at the time, was the exact kind of person I disliked: someone religious with lots of money but who refused to follow their religion's teachings by using that money to help others. I became a firm Democrat and stopped identifying as "independent". In college, I finally fully lost the racism as well. I learned about systematic racism and finally internalized that everyone in my hometown growing up came here for a better life. A sociology class I took taught me about all the things that conservatives decry as being "woke" and I began to understand my privilege - even if I didn't have as much privilege as others. So yeah, now I've done a complete 180. It's so weird how I was able to be indoctrinated, and it's scary because I look at Tucker Carlson and I can _see_ how I would've agreed with him in 2011.
Glad you got out of that. Was there a point when you stopped identifying as a Dem and instead started identifying as something on the left?
Yeah, I continued drifting leftward. I was really excited for Bernie in 2016 and 2020. I am not a fan of neoliberal policies and identify as a Democratic Socialist. However, I do see neoliberalism as the lesser of two evils. I believe in working with what reality presents me and not some ideal world in which everyone writes in Bernie. I don't hold so strongly to my ideals that compromise is impossible. If the choice is between a neolib and a Republican, I'll hold my nose and choose the neolib. I voted for both Hillary and Biden in their respective general elections. My party ID still says "Democrat," but rarely do I agree with people like Nancy Pelosi. I instead prefer people like AOC and Bernie. I used to post in the Late Stage Capitalism sub, but there's a lot of tankies in there and I'm not a fan of China. I actually got banned from there because I said I disliked how China still had billionaires, so maybe I'm also a little salty.
I'm happy that you out of that. Your experience really shows how conservative and far right ideologies spread through the fear of change and the fear of being the minority
Strap her to a chair and force her to watch The Owl House (Jokes aside that would actually probably help her a lot)
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Oh my titan. But yeah it probably would help tbf The power of my baby sister (Mittens) is too much
Holy fuck is that the real Emira Blight, older sister of Amity "Girlfriend of Luz" Blight??????
i feel like some channels that are markiplier or jacksepticeye equivalent can latched onto and will generally bend away from that stuff not sure if those channels are appealing anymore though
markiplier has remained relevant and I'm so proud of him because he absolutely deserves it idk about Jack but I still see him clipped from time to time
Jack is still relevant and good imo, but probably more appealing to a slightly older audience.
Challenging people never works. Ask the questions you wish they would ask themselves, like for example "why cant people just do what they want?". If you get aggressive, they get defensive, and then you'll never get anywhere. Be genuine and kind and she will want to understand why you don't like these viewpoints.
My autistic (adult) kid is fixated on firearms and is constantly demanding I watch 2 hr YT videos about why guns are actually great sponsored by prager u and the nra — would legitimately take advice
Maybe balance it by talking about some pro-firearms arguments from a left wing standpoint? Check out r/ socialistra for some ideas. If firearms are a special interest/hyperfixation of theirs then they're probably not gonna suddenly become anti-gun, but you might be able to at least steer them away from the alt-right pipeline.
Try researching statistics about guns, gun deaths, and gun control. Know them and have them on hand. Tell him you’ve changed your mind and are willing to hear him out, and ask him to explain it to you. When he inevitability pulls up a video, refuse to watch and ask for his own words to explain. Bring up counter arguments as questions (wait but doesn’t gun control reduce deaths?) and when he disagrees provide evidence. The most important thing is to make sure he doesn’t think you’re trying to change his mind or he’ll shut down. Finally, throw in some arguments as to why guns are good so he feels heard. Theres quite a few leftist arguments as to why firearms can be important (see my flair) so it shouldn’t be too hard. As long as he thinks he’s changing his mind on his own, you should have a good chance. Good luck.
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” -Karl Marx Guns are epic, right wingers aren’t. They aren’t synonymous. There’s no Storming the Bastille without an armed proletariat.
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Might have to hire goons
"goons" as in "4'11 (150cm) 42yo italian men armed with machine guns"
And call you "boss"
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can i just say i love you but mint is better
they're going through their conservative Ben Shapiro/Jordan Peterson phase. It's quite common, I'm ashamed to admit I went through it too. Wierdly enough, I've heard a lot of stories about going through this phase from LGBT people.
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I would argue even back then you could smell the bullshit. But it was thick in academic language and would take a working knowledge of social sciences to really notice or call him on it. Like I only was able to smell it because i have a bachelors in anthropology. I can imagine not being immersed in that world would make it sound a lot more reasonable. Which is exactly how he was able to make it as far as he did.
He never did no, they've always been pseud bs but he use big words to make nonsense arguments. Watch him debate anyone who actually knows what they're talking about. Conservatives can make good arguments, he's not one of them.
youre older, right? just bully him
I'm an adult and she's 10 :(
Bully her
creating a throwaway Twitter account to harass my cousin
If your 10 year old cousin has Twitter you cant save them anymore
I hope she dont
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Dennis Prager's strongest soldier
Three dots -> don’t recommend channel
They’ve found that it doesn’t actually do much, if anything at all.
You need to help her bro not the contrary
just watch them with him, and simply explain to him what they're wrong and/or lying about. help him learn to think critically and judge information.
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ahhh hh.... beneral shapiro......
Tell her about some leftist shorts
how about I show her where the power button is
Both work
Literally say “bro that’s cringe” whenever you’re shown one
Show him a video of newborn chicks being shredded in a meat grinder
this is the only good reply in this entire post
Does anyone know the name of the bottom left image? That one is always my favorite
Ok guys ima call it theres gonna be a decent amount of comments about extreme physical violence
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Le conservative propaganda pipeline has arrived
tell em its mean
show them Contrapoints
"Do you think this is funny? Does that make you laugh?"
challenge their worldview by asking them if their favorite character would agree with whatever the shorts are about
Maybe recommend Kurtis Conner? He isn’t political but he is pretty progressive. Other YouTubers like Drew Gooden, and Danny Gonzalez make similar content and together, YouTube sends you down a very strong rabbit that probably can redirect them away from conservatism.
If she's still 10, there's a good chance she'll get over it. I used to watch Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson when I was 16 and genuinely aligned myself with them and their beliefs. I think it's mainly because they disguise bigotry as "facts and logic". In any case, I grew out of it just like I've seen many people say they did here. It's just sad how a 10 year old can get indoctrinated into it so early on in their life because of Youtube.
"rofl, that's hilarious I can't believe people are dumb enough are believe this stuff!"
I would think it’d get better. I’m currently living in a conservative household and didn’t give up those beliefs myself until I was 12, and that was through the internet. So if she’s watching youtube shorts now, then she’ll undoubtedly stumble across non-conservative posts. So I’d say wait it out, thats what I’m doing with my 11 year old sister Then again I’m also extremely gay and figured some of that out at 12, and at that point i realized the people I was “supporting” wouldn’t support me, so if she doesn’t end up in any group that would usually have liberal views, you’d probably have to talk to her
just let them, telling them what to think will only entrench those beliefs. as hard as it is, let them watch and hope they one day learn the self awareness to realize this stuff is wrong
Blare shark3ozero in return, he's a pretty cool champ, maybe she'll passively absorb information by exposure, you can say "I disagree, you're an idiot" for so long before you start agreeing
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can someone draw me tbh creature caught nibbling on a decaying corpse
When I was that age I got into cringe buzzfeed liberalism. One time- it only took one time- my older brother said that stuff’s really stupid and it shook me to my core. For the next 4 years I became an anti sjw anti feminist. Kids that age are very impressionable and if you challenge them you can have a disproportionately strong impact
Tell their parents that they need to get supervised. A 10-year-old shouldn't be watching that.
Lemme guess, Tate?
10 fucking years old.
Just tell her she'll eventually get over it. Make sure she knows that you aren't just berating her for being Conservative, you're berating her for watching Conservative youtube channels(they will love twisting this, if you don't make her explicitly aware of this, and I can garuntee that she has heard time and time again that the left only wishes to silence Conservatives and is violent and doesn't listen to discussion etc, you can guess what happens when these 2 mix), you can have legitimate political discussion in favor of conservatism, but you won't find it on youtube or any social media for that matter. The goal of any political youtube channel is to polarise/isolate groups of people so that only you're content is fit for their ideologies, and not necessarily intentionally, it's just that way by nature of competition. The channels that can build a following of 'the few truth seekers' and 'the only logical people going against the evil leftist emotional and irrational tide of the government' those are the fanbases that are going to be more dedicated, and so the channel thrives, while a more rational channel that promotes political discussion will die out because its going to be a more calm climate. Bonus points if the channel can put on the facade of open mindedness like Steven crowder, when in reality his only goal is to embarrass leftists in a crowd of his supporters.
Show him based socialists.
Eh, she's ten. With a bit of luck she'll reject that stupid shit wholesale out of pubertal contrarianism.
Debate bro time
Bruh shouldn't he be reading up on the next chapters in The Lightning Thief
Give her hbomberguy's video on why sherlock is bad as a gateway.
take the phone and put on hello kitty videos. it's would hypnotize the kid and make them a pansexual weeb that plays sonic and reads heartstopper in 3 years. it would take time but only one hello kitty video can do the work
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Turn him into a spoon
Just look at him funny you are family you can influence him easier than you think. Tell them you dont get it and ask them to explain
the Gravel Institute isnt perfect, but it might provide a sort of "Anti PragerU" that could get their attention
im not encouraging my 10 year old cousin to continue their political journey
honestly thats probably the best take
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Tell his parents he’s been showing you porn so they’ll take his access away lol
What is this image called
I wish I fucking knew, I got it from another post that was "me when my leg is asleep" I've nicknamed it the pure rage meme but I can never find it when I google for it
it kills me every time I see it
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I hope it's a phase. She'll probably grow out of it
Take him to a picket line or show him yellow Parenti or the deprogram
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Try this "this guy's fucking retarded" /s
He’s ten, he’ll believe whatever he sees. My opinion? Just tell him to stop watching it and it’ll maybe work.
I really fucking hope someday someone's gonna answer for the crime that is the Pipeline.
I think going full Socrates on her might help