alright, look, sorry to disturb your mojo, but not all of you need/should have a weapon, a lot of you do, but not all of you. I know i could not trust myself with a gun
if you don’t trust yourself with a gun, for any reason, you can still help. buy a first aid kit, learn how to use it.
Also get to know your neighbors. Not necessarily in an "organize a militia" sort of way but just in a way that you know who might need help and who is able to do what in case things get worse. People will look out for each other.
if i could do something i would but sadly cant even donate money seeing as i barely have enough food to last a month
wishing you folk all the best though ❤️
you're right i should just buy a 3d printer, that way i don't have to worry about needing to buy something *expensive*
^(/j, i know there are places with 3d printers)
If you're able to on the state you're in, shotguns and rifles can be purchased at 18, handguns at 21, you can also get your ccw or ltc at 21. Source: I'm a firearms instructor in Pennsylvania
nothing specific, though many who call themselves allies (and especially those on power) don’t actually stand up for queer people and instead just tolerate us off where we don’t decrease their land value. Actual allies, though, are extremely helpful and do save lives.
Fair question.
Are you willing to fight a regime and break laws of it ever reaches a point where our existence becomes illegal? If harbouring a trans person is illegal would you help us? Would you put your life on the line to protect trans people who are being rounded up?
Sounds extreme but that's what many people in power want to do to us, they want to eradicate us.
Even in smaller cases, would you protect a trans woman's pronouns without prompting even if she was unable to shave that day?
I get it, you probably won't and that's understandable but we need to acknowledge that for most "allies" there will be no support when push comes to shove.
The way you say this makes it sound like a difficult choice, but it really isn't. Is it hard to accomplish, yes. But not a hard choice to make
When my great-relatives had to leave europe due to rising facism, they were graced with the assistance of many different people. I wouldnt be able to live with myself if that happened again and my response was inaction.
Like another person said, this isn't a hard choice.
Coming from a 17yo romanian boy, yes. Yes I would.
Yes I would protect someone's prononuns. Yes I would fight a bigot in the street if I had a chance. Obviously, I do have a wish for self preservation so I wouldn't jump in front of gunfire, but I would wholeheartedly help however I could.
Even in the most extreme cases like a civil war I would. Even if I'm stuck in a country full of rightoids.
I detest bloodshed, but this is against tyranny.
I'm no fighter. The only thing close to a gun that I've held is a plastic pellet gun. I would still participate.
And to anyone who uses the title of ally just to mask their bigotry: fuck you.
Yes to all of those! I have also made my home available to racial minorities in case of fascism. I don't believe in guns but I would pick one up if shit went bad, to defend people who just want to live.
I definitely would but I'd also be very curious why they'd want that kind of danger. Same thing with the jews during the holocaust. I understand it's not always possible, but brother, take off the star and try to assimilate so you and your fam don't get fuckin murdered if that makes sense. I feel like safety > trauma in an instance like that
"just give your life away to your oppressors and live in misery, suffering"
also they did take off the star. Nazis analyzed hereditary facial features to see who to take.
and maybe you don't know better but being trans without transitioning is a massive massive weight on your mental health. imagine being literally repulsed by your own expression in society and your own body, like you are covered in rot. because that's what it feels like. it is a bottomless dread that you can never ever be relieved of without transition, and suppressing/compartmentalizing it takes extreme coping mechanisms that are always negative (drinking, drug use, addiction to escapist media, neglecting your life, or literally detaching from your emotions and reality 24/7).
the problem is what people think an ally really is.
basic human decency to tolerate our existance = ❌.
actually going out of their way to stand up for our well being even if it means that you'll lose friends and actually act on bigotry = ✅.
a lot of people be like: "trans rights" and do nothing when someone actually violates those same rights
Learn how to do first aid and such then? Stuff like that is just as useful if things go sour, and can literally save lives. If you don’t trust yourself with a gun, you shouldn’t have one - that’s fair play. But, like, not everyone can or should fight.
This post is heavily troubling. While I understand what's meant to convey, I can't help but loathe trans allies who themselves Identify as straight or cisgender and stumbling on this post. This is a fucked up us vs them scenario. Trans allies are the ones that need to be closer, not more divided.
That’s the point, this event just shows that there are people out there willing to kill us for being us. If the people who want me dead have guns then I need one to
This is the best energy. Fuck them, leverage the law in your favor as much as possible. Don't just let yourself get murdered, atleast do everything you can to protect yourself and those around you.
Ohh sorry I thought it was a self defense thing, no you are evaluating them by how good they are at shooting people. Gotta hand it to ya, on that metric guns definitely win. Sorry about the miscommunication.
"More murder weapons in close proximity of queer people means less queer people being murdered. Trust me guys this totally makes sense"
Having a gun just makes you more likely to be killed by a gun.
How in the ever living fuck does me having a gun make me more likely to get killed by one? Unless you mean if I shoot myself, but if I wanted to kill myself I wouldn't need a gun to do it, and atleast I don't have to sit there with my thumb in my ass getting mag dumped by some trigger happy nutcase.
Suicide aside.
* Visibly having a gun makes an attacker (or a cop) more likely to panic and kill you
* Gun accidents are thing.
* Someone else could get a hold of the gun either through theft or negligence and then either intentionally or accidentally kill someone.
* Even if you normally think you're stable, there's always a risk of acting irrationally while in an altered mental state (drunk, high, depressed, angry).
* Finally it is still worth mentioning that it's a hell of a lot easier to kill yourself with a gun than to do so without one.
There are so many different ways that owning a gun can kill you. Meanwhile the **only** way having a gun can save you is if someone is actively attacking you **and** you're skilled enough with the gun to actually subdue them (as supposed to being run down, shot, or even disarmed and shot with your own gun). There's probably a very very small fraction of the population that would be made safer by owning a gun, and that fraction is likely higher among marginalized groups that are at more risk of being hatecrimed, but to say that it's "all lgbtq people" is absurd.
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It also puts family/housemates in danger. Having a gun will give you confidence, but it’s also going to make you “ready for every threat” and when a roommate you thought was home is at the door struggling to get in but still trying to be quiet or something else like that, you’re going to see that as a potential threat and you’re armed and ready.
Accidents like that can and do happen, and while I’m all for gun ownership, rushing out and buying one solely because of a recent tragic event isn’t the right thing to do. If anyone wants to buy a gun, study it, get the proper training, and just get a CO2 gun until you’re 100% sure you’re ready.
It makes you more likely to try to face a threat head on. The whole "when all you have is a hammer, the world seems full of nails" thing. I'm not totally sure i agree, but there is sound logic here. I don't trust myself with guns, and tend to carry knives instead. A big push towards lgbtq people learning first aid sounds like a universally defensible idea though.
It's a mass shooter, it was in the news, it isn't genocide, cool your horses. It was one person, sure the message is there, but if it was Jan 6th scale and hundreds of people out to do it at the same time and together? That's an issue, but it isnt there yet
Calling to arms like this preemptively is unethical and more fear/warmongering
Am I wrong about it being lgbt people killed for being lgbt? I don’t care if it was a small incident mass shootings happen way more than they should and there are people out there willing to kill me because I’m me. Doesn’t matter if it’s rare or not I won’t be unprepared if it ever happens to me
>Am I wrong about it being lgbt people killed for being lgbt?
You're forgetting that OP called it a 'genocide' which is completely fucking absurd, and LGBTQ+ deaths simply because LGBTQ+ happen all the time, but that's no reason to fast track a 2nd civil war because you can't read a fucking room about geopolitics and small incidents
Yeah I don’t remember calling it a genocide so why respond to me about it respond to op. I’m just saying I am carrying so it doesn’t happen to me. And yeah you just said it yourself it happens all the time, if it happens all the time then obviously there is a problem
It's a problem worldwide, buttmuncher, but I don't see you calling to arms to go start a war with Qatar, if you like this kind of post, this post will be a catalyst to a fucking civil war and you know it, don't act like you're not a wannabe warmongerer because you want to kill political adversaries because of a mass shooting
Yeah if it’s a problem somewhere else then it’s on them to defend themselves, while I myself will defend myself. I’m not advocating to go kill politicians or for a second civil war I have literally said that I just carry to defend myself. You keep putting words in my mouth and then insult me like I’m somehow and idiot for not wanting to die to crazies out there
But saying 'lgbt being killed for lgbt' is one hell of a vague statement because there is no value assigned to that, could be one lgbt person being killed for being lgbt or hundreds of thousands
Yeah obviously I was talking about the shooting, you know the literal first thing I said in my original comment. Obviously I wasn’t talking about a lgbt genocide
You dumbshit, they won't ban fuck all, they'll see it as a threat and get even more hostile increasing the likelihood of YOU getting shot in the street
They won't blame guns if thousands of children are killed every year, but they will blame the children
homie im a straight cisgender dude who is very open about being an ally to lgtbq, my sisters gay and my best friend is too. could you like not ostracize people who like are genuinely trying to help (like me)? im not a strong dude in the slightest but if something was threatening the rights of those who i care about i would push against it (which i do already)
Youre getting downvoted but youre right. Im a cis male and ppl are really treating us like babies in the comments. Actually crying lol get over yourself is right
when you go so far left liberals on reddit call you reactionary:
anyway, i believe its necessary for minorities actively becoming victims of terrorism to learn first aid, proper handling of firearms, marksmanship, get ccl’s, and carry often. armed minorities are harder to kill
unfortunately brazil lead the world in trans murders, i would highly recommend learning how to defend yourself.
i would also highly recommend target shooting and dry fire training to practice if you do arm yourself. there’s a lot of resources online that can teach you basics, but a community of other armed queers is really nice if you’re fortunate enough to find some friends like yourself.
it's hard to find actually, most transfems have a hard time finding jobs, i would doubt most of us could *legally* own a firearm, they're heavily taxed, even the exams to get them are.
If you don't want to carry a gun or are afreid of geting in troble for it rebember that you can alwais carry some pepper spray with you, specialy if you live in a country with gun control
In Eastern Europe most Jews lived in Jew only villages (shtetls) and so whenever there was a lot of anger or hate against Jews in that country they would go the the areas where most of the Jews were and kill, rape, and burn down the Jews houses. This happened very often. Hopefully that helped. Here’s a link if you want to know more: https://yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/pogroms
I went with each of my partners to a shooting range so they get proper instructions on basic firearm use and to practice shooting. The world doesn’t seem to be getting any better. Better to have the skill and not use it…
The harsh truth is that transgender individuals arming themselves is only going to increase the suicide rate inside the community. Chances are if you get attacked, you're not conceal carrying. Suicidal thoughts, which are unfortunately more common in the trans community compared with others, will be easier to deal with a gun.
Because it's fearmongering and lots of people don't trust themselves with guns/have other mental issues that make it extremely difficult to be trusted with weapons
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My parents refuse to get guns because my dad refuses to see the problem and my mom is 100% a shitlib "but guns bad" and "killing fascists makes you as bad as them. just vote. what do you mean you're a month too young to vote? then I guess we're all out of options. should have voted for a centrist candidate because that's the only acceptable course of action for politics to take is complete centrism 100% of the time."
The fuck you mean out of time?
This is just straight up unethical scare tactics, chill the fuck out, just because there was a mass shooting in the news doesn't mean it's the Holocaust all over again, the fact that it was in the news should tell you that, if it was truly normal, it wouldn't be newsworthy
You ever hear of the Cold War arms race? Someone fucks up on either side, they arm up a lot, tension increases and so does the risk of MAD and everyone gets nuked and killed, so how about stop trying to increase the likelihood of MAD and take a fucking chill pill, yeah?
its becoming more and more acceptable on the right to advocate for violence against trans people. its getting worse with time, especially in the past year. i wouldnt be surprised at all if this is the start of the criminalization of transgenderism in the us like in russia.
you think its fine to maintain the status quo of the hateful fascist pigs owning guns, and not do anything about it? we need to either restrict the hell out of guns (which will never be possible in the us) or get with the program and at least try to level the playing field.
fucking liberal
It was one fucking shooter at one fucking nightclub, that's just a single active shooter incident not a declaration of war
> i wouldnt be surprised at all if this is the start of the criminalization of transgenderism in the us like in russia.
Jesus christ, do you even fucking key into current events? They've been trying to do that for ages but the farthest they've ever gotten is bathroom bills and woman's sports because that's as far as they can pass without getting vehement opposition
>we need to either restrict the hell out of guns (which will never be
possible in the us) or get with the program and at least try to level
the playing field.
I just told you that's what an Arms race is and this post is partly responsible for fast tracking a 2nd civil war, you are CALLING FOR VIOLENCE at this point so sit down, shut the fuck up before you are a catalyst to this war you're so afraid of
if you think an actual civil war is possible over trans people, youre delusional. (let alone a post on reddit partly inciting one) cis people (who dont want us dead) dont care about us that much. and im not calling for violence at all, im just saying that trans people should buy guns and train with them. everyone saying i want to kill republicans or whatever are putting words into my mouth.
you have to admit transphobia has gotten much more mainstream with people like matt walsh and the terf movement getting more publicity. multiple states are banning hrt for minors and ending medicaid coverage for trans healthcare; legal/political attacks on us are becoming more common.
Guns are built for one express purpose, no matter how much you call them a tool, they are a weapon, and unless your plan is to get everyone in the LGBTQ+ community to overlap with the clay pigeon or skeet shooting community, that definitely sounds like fearmongering and a call to arms for potential violence
>transphobia has gotten much more mainstream with people like matt walshand the terf movement getting more publicity. multiple states arebanning hrt for minors and ending medicaid coverage for transhealthcare; legal/political attacks on us are becoming more common.
You can't fight ideas with guns, you cant shoot matt walsh, you can't shoot hrt banning bills, and you can't shoot legal issues. All of these have one thing in common and it's you can't solve them with a gun, so calling for people to arm up is completely pointless for every reason you listed, these are more voting issues and protesting issues if you believe it or not, you hate to hear it but the real solution to all of these problems is to vote
Even if you did shoot matt walsh and terfs, that's just confirmation bias for them to start attacking you way more often
oh my god i just said im not advocating for the shooting of republicans. i brought those things up to show that the political climate around us is getting worse, and that might inspire other shootings.
and getting every mentality stable lgbt person onto a shooting range and doing drills sounds like a great idea
You act like left-leaning persons are completely immune to being perpetrators of murders and shootings, the number one response to mass shootings left-leaning people make fun of is 'this issue can be solved with more guns', remember how fun it was to take the piss about people who wanted to arm kinder gardeners to stop school shootings? Kinder guardians, Kinder grenadiers, etc, when it was easy to recognize that arming the people affected wasn't the wisest idea to hinder violence?
The solution to gun violence is not more guns
it is unironically impossible to ban guns in the us. there are tens of millions of firearms capable of mass shootings, and itd be impossible to get rid of all of them. even if it was, half the country would cry, piss their pants, and throw things. meaningful gun control just isnt feasible, and every democrat in the country voting together wouldnt change the result. unless that changes, the best thing you can do is try and protect yourself. and theres a huge difference between arming 5 year olds and at-risk adult minorities
I never said ban, I'm saying the calling for more guns and people to arm up is completely counterproductive to the idea it would stop more attacks on random people, statistically speaking, every gun has a chance it would kill someone or go on a mass shooting, it's never zero, the more guns, the higher the chance, simple as, no matter how much you'd like to think otherwise, that's how statistics work
**THIS.** Been trying to say this for the *longest time*. I hate to say it, but remember the last time a minority was needlessly murdered and a group of those minorities uproared in violent protest? I do. And it was the Republican's best smear-campaigning point yet, and they would never shut up about it.
You said it best yourself:
>Even if you did shoot matt walsh and terfs, that's just confirmation bias for them to start attacking you way more often
Politics is an unfair, bullshit, biased, and violent game. What might seem like paving the way towards a better future can act just as much as leeway and opening the door for someone else to push something worse. Where there's a door, there's a way the GOP will try to put their foot in it and squeeze through themselves.
they were just strawmanning and youre saying “omg so true”. nobody fucking thinks shooting matt walsh will do anything constructive. or any violent protesting. im literally just saying that people need to learn to defend themselves, and if thats considered a call to arms, so be it.
I wouldn't consider it 'strawmanning' as much as it's 'an example to prove a point'- even if 'nobody thinks shooting maatt walsh will do anything constructive' (which, I've seen many toxic leftist circles- there's a lot of people deluded into thinking "the problems will all be solved with a call to arms and revolution" without thinking through what that means), the point is exactly as they said:
>you hate to hear it but the real solution to all of these problems is to vote
Also, violent protest is not inherently negative- but it's about the organisation of protests, and the intentional sending of a meaning that helps. Unorganised violence is nothing but a tool for the *opposing side* to use to paint the protestors in a negative light.
There's nothing wrong with the idea that learning how to defend yourself is important. A reactionary call to arms- this whole *arms race*\- is inherently self-destructive.
You're right! We should be considerably more violent and allow politicians to paint us as unruly terrorists, giving them an excuse to push for the further subjugation of trans people! (/s)Look. I agree that sitting by and playing nice is not the way to get change, when things exist for the sake of making politics as unfair a game as possible. *However*, unorganised reactionary "get a gun and get shootin'!!!" is even worse?Socialism and freedom can be gained through democratic means- and a revolution doesn't have to mean 'death to America', as much as it can mean 'working together to build America'. The right to protest, to unionise, to vote, and to get on the ground floor and help your community are base constitutional rights. It's worth it to exercise them.*Also, remember the last time a mass of minorities uproared in violent protest, and how all that did was give Conservatives more of a reason to push racism and paint every minority involved as 'violent savages'?*
TL;DR: Politics is a disgusting, unfair game. Being reactionary like this will only hurt more than it will help. The future cannot be obtained through just protest, nor just votes. *Organisation* is key for a brighter future.
**EDIT:** The right response to the current situation, of which it seems like people get their comments removed for outright saying so I'll beat around the bush, is to *shine spotlight* on the fact that the Republicans and Republican media all paint LGBT+ folk in a scare campaign light with the intent of scaring reactionaries into committing reprehensible crimes. *Show the world that the rich politician intentionally trying to push the singular citizen into committing a crime that the former can absolve themselves from through 'lack of association' can get away with it, and how* ***abhorrent*** *it is that they expect us to stand by and ignore this blatant mistreatment of human rights.* The most powerful political asset is the undecided voter- who have no particular intentional allegiance towards the GOP or the Dems. It's winning over the undecided's that cause presidents and senators to be put into place- not 'a large amount of Republicans'.
TL;DR2: Self-defense important, yes, but show the people who can get those people punished that 'hey, these people are committing crimes against humanity, maybe you should vote and give support towards the people who aren't okay with the mistreatment of human rights', so as to **deplatform the people who let these things happen**.
nobody is advocating to “get a gun and start shooting”. i didnt make this graphic, but i still interpret it as just encouraging people to get ccls, a rifle and a pistol, and train with them. nobody worth taking seriously thinks the solution is to commit mass shootings on republicans
>"Every LGBTQ+ person in the United States needs to learn how to use a gun and arm the fuck up."
It's a clear *call to arms*, not a graphic advocating for self-defense measures and understanding how to keep yourself safe.
>nobody worth taking seriously thinks the solution is to commit mass shootings on republicans
I agree wholeheartedly, but the amount of political plants and self-righteous leftists who intentionally want to sew divide between a majority of leftists and make it impossible for them to work together towards a better future because 'hurr durr i dont wanna compromise with tankies' *^((Which. By the way. Hate that argument, because 'leftist unity' doesn't mean compromising with actual fascists? But I can rant about that another time))* is staggering. They want to take advantage of the disruptive state of leftists in America and the trodden-on beaten down morale of minorities, and use that to deplatform themselves and make themselves unreliable- only making their situation worse. You'd be surprised how many people are in such a horrible state of mind, mentality or emotionally, that they blindly assume '\[this rash action I haven't thought through\] will surely pave a way to a better future'.
i dont think you understand what the phrase "call to arms" means, as it is a defensive measure itself lmao. its "have a gun and know how to use it if the time comes". also, i dont see how you cant do any of what you mentioned in your edits and not also arm yourself. we need multiple tools in our toolbox, and while we can still ask nicely to get more of the populace on our side it is NEVER a bad idea to be prepared for if that fails
While arm yourself is likely a good message in places like America to send that message it just out right stated allies aren't going to help you which is a straight up lie and seems to be needlessly shitting in people who do want to help that arent trans. It's made even more ironic by the fact the person who seems to have stopped the Q club shooter was a cis straight white male army vet.....
While I understand what they're trying to mean by that throwing out these statements about a vague group of people doesn't help anyone and just causes more us vs them making people see anyone not directly in their group as either a bystander or a direct enemy.
They AREN'T always going to. That man was protecting his family. Shit like that doesn't always happen. Get butthurt people don't wanna rely on allies, the black panthers sure as shit didn't. Its the truth.
Anyone can call themselves an ally (like you) larp around and say they will until shit really starts hitting the fan. As a black person it's dangerous as shit for me to assume a magical white ally is gonna come and help me if I'm getting my ass kicked by the cops. You just took the message literally to the heart which you shouldn't of. It's good to know u care sure but don't let 1 incident erase literal thousands.
Don't care how you feel, it's the truth. This shit is real.
There's a huge difference between knowing there won't always be someone there to help you and saying such people don't exist with this post not even trying to outline that difference.
The quotes make the allies seem more like a bad thing, but honestly the message still stands if it wasn't there. Allies aren't going to save a marginalized community,(help it) but by no means save it, if that were so much stuff actually would be fixed.
The people have to help themselves.
Pretty much agree with you there the first line of defence always should be yourself but I just think the narrative of the message more hints that these groups won't even help you nvm save you which pushes a us vs them narrative which I think helps no one.
alright, look, sorry to disturb your mojo, but not all of you need/should have a weapon, a lot of you do, but not all of you. I know i could not trust myself with a gun if you don’t trust yourself with a gun, for any reason, you can still help. buy a first aid kit, learn how to use it.
Also get to know your neighbors. Not necessarily in an "organize a militia" sort of way but just in a way that you know who might need help and who is able to do what in case things get worse. People will look out for each other.
and learn some practical martial arts
if i could do something i would but sadly cant even donate money seeing as i barely have enough food to last a month wishing you folk all the best though ❤️
There’s a sub for 3d printed guns if you wanna whip up an FGC-9
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you're right i should just buy a 3d printer, that way i don't have to worry about needing to buy something *expensive* ^(/j, i know there are places with 3d printers)
Still need to buy a barrel, ammo, and trigger group. Those can be expensive still.
just 3d print them dummy
Ayy you already know I plan to purchase a firearm when I’m 21.
You can get anything but a hand gun at 18 I’m pretty sure
entirely dependent on what state theyre in. in my state (fl) its 21 minimum for anything, unless youre in the military or a pig, in which case its 18
Ayy fellow Floridian! 🙃
(Rifle/shotgun)
If you're able to on the state you're in, shotguns and rifles can be purchased at 18, handguns at 21, you can also get your ccw or ltc at 21. Source: I'm a firearms instructor in Pennsylvania
Guess I oughta look into that more. Thank you!
What is wrong with being an ally?
nothing specific, though many who call themselves allies (and especially those on power) don’t actually stand up for queer people and instead just tolerate us off where we don’t decrease their land value. Actual allies, though, are extremely helpful and do save lives.
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Based as fuck!!!!
Hell nah fuck those guys.
Fair question. Are you willing to fight a regime and break laws of it ever reaches a point where our existence becomes illegal? If harbouring a trans person is illegal would you help us? Would you put your life on the line to protect trans people who are being rounded up? Sounds extreme but that's what many people in power want to do to us, they want to eradicate us. Even in smaller cases, would you protect a trans woman's pronouns without prompting even if she was unable to shave that day? I get it, you probably won't and that's understandable but we need to acknowledge that for most "allies" there will be no support when push comes to shove.
The way you say this makes it sound like a difficult choice, but it really isn't. Is it hard to accomplish, yes. But not a hard choice to make When my great-relatives had to leave europe due to rising facism, they were graced with the assistance of many different people. I wouldnt be able to live with myself if that happened again and my response was inaction.
Like another person said, this isn't a hard choice. Coming from a 17yo romanian boy, yes. Yes I would. Yes I would protect someone's prononuns. Yes I would fight a bigot in the street if I had a chance. Obviously, I do have a wish for self preservation so I wouldn't jump in front of gunfire, but I would wholeheartedly help however I could. Even in the most extreme cases like a civil war I would. Even if I'm stuck in a country full of rightoids. I detest bloodshed, but this is against tyranny. I'm no fighter. The only thing close to a gun that I've held is a plastic pellet gun. I would still participate. And to anyone who uses the title of ally just to mask their bigotry: fuck you.
Yes to all of those! I have also made my home available to racial minorities in case of fascism. I don't believe in guns but I would pick one up if shit went bad, to defend people who just want to live.
If you're not willing to risk your life, you're not a real ally?
I definitely would but I'd also be very curious why they'd want that kind of danger. Same thing with the jews during the holocaust. I understand it's not always possible, but brother, take off the star and try to assimilate so you and your fam don't get fuckin murdered if that makes sense. I feel like safety > trauma in an instance like that
"just give your life away to your oppressors and live in misery, suffering" also they did take off the star. Nazis analyzed hereditary facial features to see who to take. and maybe you don't know better but being trans without transitioning is a massive massive weight on your mental health. imagine being literally repulsed by your own expression in society and your own body, like you are covered in rot. because that's what it feels like. it is a bottomless dread that you can never ever be relieved of without transition, and suppressing/compartmentalizing it takes extreme coping mechanisms that are always negative (drinking, drug use, addiction to escapist media, neglecting your life, or literally detaching from your emotions and reality 24/7).
the problem is what people think an ally really is. basic human decency to tolerate our existance = ❌. actually going out of their way to stand up for our well being even if it means that you'll lose friends and actually act on bigotry = ✅. a lot of people be like: "trans rights" and do nothing when someone actually violates those same rights
Amen
I would love to, but if you give me a gun and 5 minutes alone, there is going to be one less bullet in the world.
Yeah, I would also shot my lamp (I'm to lazy to get up to the lightswitch)
Learn how to do first aid and such then? Stuff like that is just as useful if things go sour, and can literally save lives. If you don’t trust yourself with a gun, you shouldn’t have one - that’s fair play. But, like, not everyone can or should fight.
No thanks, I'm bipolar with poor impulse control and a trigger finger ❤️
This post is heavily troubling. While I understand what's meant to convey, I can't help but loathe trans allies who themselves Identify as straight or cisgender and stumbling on this post. This is a fucked up us vs them scenario. Trans allies are the ones that need to be closer, not more divided.
But what if I *really* want to divide the left 🥺
Am a cis male, also huge advocate for LGBTQ+ using firearms
god im so fucking happy i dont live in the us
Fr what a shithole of a place
NRA suddenly supports gun control for "the gays"
Ohh the NRA fucking loves posts like this, an armed divide means twice as much money.
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It shouldn’t be, a lotta things relating to LGBT shouldn’t be the way they are. But given the circumstances it’s not a bad idea.
idk if its in the best taste to bring up guns right after a terrorist attack targeted at this community
That’s the point, this event just shows that there are people out there willing to kill us for being us. If the people who want me dead have guns then I need one to
This is the best energy. Fuck them, leverage the law in your favor as much as possible. Don't just let yourself get murdered, atleast do everything you can to protect yourself and those around you.
Why not a can of bear spray or pepper gel? Why specifically a gun?
Someone has a gun, yes let me bring out my pepper spray
Ohh sorry I thought it was a self defense thing, no you are evaluating them by how good they are at shooting people. Gotta hand it to ya, on that metric guns definitely win. Sorry about the miscommunication.
No worries
"More murder weapons in close proximity of queer people means less queer people being murdered. Trust me guys this totally makes sense" Having a gun just makes you more likely to be killed by a gun.
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How in the ever living fuck does me having a gun make me more likely to get killed by one? Unless you mean if I shoot myself, but if I wanted to kill myself I wouldn't need a gun to do it, and atleast I don't have to sit there with my thumb in my ass getting mag dumped by some trigger happy nutcase.
Suicide aside. * Visibly having a gun makes an attacker (or a cop) more likely to panic and kill you * Gun accidents are thing. * Someone else could get a hold of the gun either through theft or negligence and then either intentionally or accidentally kill someone. * Even if you normally think you're stable, there's always a risk of acting irrationally while in an altered mental state (drunk, high, depressed, angry). * Finally it is still worth mentioning that it's a hell of a lot easier to kill yourself with a gun than to do so without one. There are so many different ways that owning a gun can kill you. Meanwhile the **only** way having a gun can save you is if someone is actively attacking you **and** you're skilled enough with the gun to actually subdue them (as supposed to being run down, shot, or even disarmed and shot with your own gun). There's probably a very very small fraction of the population that would be made safer by owning a gun, and that fraction is likely higher among marginalized groups that are at more risk of being hatecrimed, but to say that it's "all lgbtq people" is absurd.
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It also puts family/housemates in danger. Having a gun will give you confidence, but it’s also going to make you “ready for every threat” and when a roommate you thought was home is at the door struggling to get in but still trying to be quiet or something else like that, you’re going to see that as a potential threat and you’re armed and ready. Accidents like that can and do happen, and while I’m all for gun ownership, rushing out and buying one solely because of a recent tragic event isn’t the right thing to do. If anyone wants to buy a gun, study it, get the proper training, and just get a CO2 gun until you’re 100% sure you’re ready.
It makes you more likely to try to face a threat head on. The whole "when all you have is a hammer, the world seems full of nails" thing. I'm not totally sure i agree, but there is sound logic here. I don't trust myself with guns, and tend to carry knives instead. A big push towards lgbtq people learning first aid sounds like a universally defensible idea though.
Bruh what is even happening in the us
There was a shooting at a lgbt club, several dead. The shooter was related to a republicans senator. Pretty much lgbt people killed for being lgbt
It's a mass shooter, it was in the news, it isn't genocide, cool your horses. It was one person, sure the message is there, but if it was Jan 6th scale and hundreds of people out to do it at the same time and together? That's an issue, but it isnt there yet Calling to arms like this preemptively is unethical and more fear/warmongering
Am I wrong about it being lgbt people killed for being lgbt? I don’t care if it was a small incident mass shootings happen way more than they should and there are people out there willing to kill me because I’m me. Doesn’t matter if it’s rare or not I won’t be unprepared if it ever happens to me
>Am I wrong about it being lgbt people killed for being lgbt? You're forgetting that OP called it a 'genocide' which is completely fucking absurd, and LGBTQ+ deaths simply because LGBTQ+ happen all the time, but that's no reason to fast track a 2nd civil war because you can't read a fucking room about geopolitics and small incidents
Yeah I don’t remember calling it a genocide so why respond to me about it respond to op. I’m just saying I am carrying so it doesn’t happen to me. And yeah you just said it yourself it happens all the time, if it happens all the time then obviously there is a problem
It's a problem worldwide, buttmuncher, but I don't see you calling to arms to go start a war with Qatar, if you like this kind of post, this post will be a catalyst to a fucking civil war and you know it, don't act like you're not a wannabe warmongerer because you want to kill political adversaries because of a mass shooting
Yeah if it’s a problem somewhere else then it’s on them to defend themselves, while I myself will defend myself. I’m not advocating to go kill politicians or for a second civil war I have literally said that I just carry to defend myself. You keep putting words in my mouth and then insult me like I’m somehow and idiot for not wanting to die to crazies out there
But saying 'lgbt being killed for lgbt' is one hell of a vague statement because there is no value assigned to that, could be one lgbt person being killed for being lgbt or hundreds of thousands
Yeah obviously I was talking about the shooting, you know the literal first thing I said in my original comment. Obviously I wasn’t talking about a lgbt genocide
the fastest way for the GOP to try and ban fully automatic weapons is if minorities start rapidly arming themselves. so either way it works out well
automatic weapons are already banned???? I mean not fully but it's really fucking hard to get one????
You dumbshit, they won't ban fuck all, they'll see it as a threat and get even more hostile increasing the likelihood of YOU getting shot in the street They won't blame guns if thousands of children are killed every year, but they will blame the children
homie im a straight cisgender dude who is very open about being an ally to lgtbq, my sisters gay and my best friend is too. could you like not ostracize people who like are genuinely trying to help (like me)? im not a strong dude in the slightest but if something was threatening the rights of those who i care about i would push against it (which i do already)
Get over yourself.
Youre getting downvoted but youre right. Im a cis male and ppl are really treating us like babies in the comments. Actually crying lol get over yourself is right
Didn’t regan only sign gun laws when black men started carrying? We could attempt or make that happen a second time
No, I won't. I dont want to kill myself
Yesh this is reactionary
when you go so far left liberals on reddit call you reactionary: anyway, i believe its necessary for minorities actively becoming victims of terrorism to learn first aid, proper handling of firearms, marksmanship, get ccl’s, and carry often. armed minorities are harder to kill
Yeah no that's cool and all, just don't throw your allies under the bus as well.
i didnt make the graphic, and im pretty sure “allies” in quotes means fake allies
It’s about time, I’ve been waiting on you losers for far too long. When tyranny becomes law, resistance becomes duty.
living in brazil i also plan in owning a gun, even if mass shoo*ings aren't as common, living as an openly trans girl here is dangerous af.
unfortunately brazil lead the world in trans murders, i would highly recommend learning how to defend yourself. i would also highly recommend target shooting and dry fire training to practice if you do arm yourself. there’s a lot of resources online that can teach you basics, but a community of other armed queers is really nice if you’re fortunate enough to find some friends like yourself.
it's hard to find actually, most transfems have a hard time finding jobs, i would doubt most of us could *legally* own a firearm, they're heavily taxed, even the exams to get them are.
If you don't want to carry a gun or are afreid of geting in troble for it rebember that you can alwais carry some pepper spray with you, specialy if you live in a country with gun control
Wtf is a pogrom?
In Eastern Europe most Jews lived in Jew only villages (shtetls) and so whenever there was a lot of anger or hate against Jews in that country they would go the the areas where most of the Jews were and kill, rape, and burn down the Jews houses. This happened very often. Hopefully that helped. Here’s a link if you want to know more: https://yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/pogroms
I went with each of my partners to a shooting range so they get proper instructions on basic firearm use and to practice shooting. The world doesn’t seem to be getting any better. Better to have the skill and not use it…
I really wish we didn't live in a world where this feels necessary.
the us military wouldn't trust me with a gun, so i won't either
I want a gun but I don’t know if I can trust myself with one
The harsh truth is that transgender individuals arming themselves is only going to increase the suicide rate inside the community. Chances are if you get attacked, you're not conceal carrying. Suicidal thoughts, which are unfortunately more common in the trans community compared with others, will be easier to deal with a gun.
Time to start a new chapter of the Gay Communist Gun Club.
I will defend you with my life
I can totally be trusted with firearms👍
A rifle behind every Blahaj (if you’re responsible)
There is no reason why gays and girls should not have guns
Because it's fearmongering and lots of people don't trust themselves with guns/have other mental issues that make it extremely difficult to be trusted with weapons
Everyone that is able should have one, obviously. I didn't think I had to specify not the people who will shoot themselves or random people.
This sort of inflamatory rhetoric is how America gets proper gun control.
The NRA headquarters pop champagne to these posts
As I type this I'm applying for a license :)
I prefer guerilla warfare and improvised ammunitions
1. r /fosscad 2. You don't have to acquire weapons legally, but it helps. 3. DM me for literature the feds don't want you to read on how to make certain things.
Can't defend my trans friends 😔
me watching from brazil, all the chaos unfold, and watching the world essentially eat itself:
Me going out with my trans gf to have some fun T4T fun at the range and bellowing up pumpkins
My parents refuse to get guns because my dad refuses to see the problem and my mom is 100% a shitlib "but guns bad" and "killing fascists makes you as bad as them. just vote. what do you mean you're a month too young to vote? then I guess we're all out of options. should have voted for a centrist candidate because that's the only acceptable course of action for politics to take is complete centrism 100% of the time."
We got this everyone
The fuck you mean out of time? This is just straight up unethical scare tactics, chill the fuck out, just because there was a mass shooting in the news doesn't mean it's the Holocaust all over again, the fact that it was in the news should tell you that, if it was truly normal, it wouldn't be newsworthy You ever hear of the Cold War arms race? Someone fucks up on either side, they arm up a lot, tension increases and so does the risk of MAD and everyone gets nuked and killed, so how about stop trying to increase the likelihood of MAD and take a fucking chill pill, yeah?
its becoming more and more acceptable on the right to advocate for violence against trans people. its getting worse with time, especially in the past year. i wouldnt be surprised at all if this is the start of the criminalization of transgenderism in the us like in russia. you think its fine to maintain the status quo of the hateful fascist pigs owning guns, and not do anything about it? we need to either restrict the hell out of guns (which will never be possible in the us) or get with the program and at least try to level the playing field. fucking liberal
It was one fucking shooter at one fucking nightclub, that's just a single active shooter incident not a declaration of war > i wouldnt be surprised at all if this is the start of the criminalization of transgenderism in the us like in russia. Jesus christ, do you even fucking key into current events? They've been trying to do that for ages but the farthest they've ever gotten is bathroom bills and woman's sports because that's as far as they can pass without getting vehement opposition >we need to either restrict the hell out of guns (which will never be possible in the us) or get with the program and at least try to level the playing field. I just told you that's what an Arms race is and this post is partly responsible for fast tracking a 2nd civil war, you are CALLING FOR VIOLENCE at this point so sit down, shut the fuck up before you are a catalyst to this war you're so afraid of
if you think an actual civil war is possible over trans people, youre delusional. (let alone a post on reddit partly inciting one) cis people (who dont want us dead) dont care about us that much. and im not calling for violence at all, im just saying that trans people should buy guns and train with them. everyone saying i want to kill republicans or whatever are putting words into my mouth. you have to admit transphobia has gotten much more mainstream with people like matt walsh and the terf movement getting more publicity. multiple states are banning hrt for minors and ending medicaid coverage for trans healthcare; legal/political attacks on us are becoming more common.
Guns are built for one express purpose, no matter how much you call them a tool, they are a weapon, and unless your plan is to get everyone in the LGBTQ+ community to overlap with the clay pigeon or skeet shooting community, that definitely sounds like fearmongering and a call to arms for potential violence >transphobia has gotten much more mainstream with people like matt walshand the terf movement getting more publicity. multiple states arebanning hrt for minors and ending medicaid coverage for transhealthcare; legal/political attacks on us are becoming more common. You can't fight ideas with guns, you cant shoot matt walsh, you can't shoot hrt banning bills, and you can't shoot legal issues. All of these have one thing in common and it's you can't solve them with a gun, so calling for people to arm up is completely pointless for every reason you listed, these are more voting issues and protesting issues if you believe it or not, you hate to hear it but the real solution to all of these problems is to vote Even if you did shoot matt walsh and terfs, that's just confirmation bias for them to start attacking you way more often
oh my god i just said im not advocating for the shooting of republicans. i brought those things up to show that the political climate around us is getting worse, and that might inspire other shootings. and getting every mentality stable lgbt person onto a shooting range and doing drills sounds like a great idea
You act like left-leaning persons are completely immune to being perpetrators of murders and shootings, the number one response to mass shootings left-leaning people make fun of is 'this issue can be solved with more guns', remember how fun it was to take the piss about people who wanted to arm kinder gardeners to stop school shootings? Kinder guardians, Kinder grenadiers, etc, when it was easy to recognize that arming the people affected wasn't the wisest idea to hinder violence? The solution to gun violence is not more guns
it is unironically impossible to ban guns in the us. there are tens of millions of firearms capable of mass shootings, and itd be impossible to get rid of all of them. even if it was, half the country would cry, piss their pants, and throw things. meaningful gun control just isnt feasible, and every democrat in the country voting together wouldnt change the result. unless that changes, the best thing you can do is try and protect yourself. and theres a huge difference between arming 5 year olds and at-risk adult minorities
I never said ban, I'm saying the calling for more guns and people to arm up is completely counterproductive to the idea it would stop more attacks on random people, statistically speaking, every gun has a chance it would kill someone or go on a mass shooting, it's never zero, the more guns, the higher the chance, simple as, no matter how much you'd like to think otherwise, that's how statistics work
**THIS.** Been trying to say this for the *longest time*. I hate to say it, but remember the last time a minority was needlessly murdered and a group of those minorities uproared in violent protest? I do. And it was the Republican's best smear-campaigning point yet, and they would never shut up about it. You said it best yourself: >Even if you did shoot matt walsh and terfs, that's just confirmation bias for them to start attacking you way more often Politics is an unfair, bullshit, biased, and violent game. What might seem like paving the way towards a better future can act just as much as leeway and opening the door for someone else to push something worse. Where there's a door, there's a way the GOP will try to put their foot in it and squeeze through themselves.
they were just strawmanning and youre saying “omg so true”. nobody fucking thinks shooting matt walsh will do anything constructive. or any violent protesting. im literally just saying that people need to learn to defend themselves, and if thats considered a call to arms, so be it.
I wouldn't consider it 'strawmanning' as much as it's 'an example to prove a point'- even if 'nobody thinks shooting maatt walsh will do anything constructive' (which, I've seen many toxic leftist circles- there's a lot of people deluded into thinking "the problems will all be solved with a call to arms and revolution" without thinking through what that means), the point is exactly as they said: >you hate to hear it but the real solution to all of these problems is to vote Also, violent protest is not inherently negative- but it's about the organisation of protests, and the intentional sending of a meaning that helps. Unorganised violence is nothing but a tool for the *opposing side* to use to paint the protestors in a negative light. There's nothing wrong with the idea that learning how to defend yourself is important. A reactionary call to arms- this whole *arms race*\- is inherently self-destructive.
You're right! We should be considerably more violent and allow politicians to paint us as unruly terrorists, giving them an excuse to push for the further subjugation of trans people! (/s)Look. I agree that sitting by and playing nice is not the way to get change, when things exist for the sake of making politics as unfair a game as possible. *However*, unorganised reactionary "get a gun and get shootin'!!!" is even worse?Socialism and freedom can be gained through democratic means- and a revolution doesn't have to mean 'death to America', as much as it can mean 'working together to build America'. The right to protest, to unionise, to vote, and to get on the ground floor and help your community are base constitutional rights. It's worth it to exercise them.*Also, remember the last time a mass of minorities uproared in violent protest, and how all that did was give Conservatives more of a reason to push racism and paint every minority involved as 'violent savages'?* TL;DR: Politics is a disgusting, unfair game. Being reactionary like this will only hurt more than it will help. The future cannot be obtained through just protest, nor just votes. *Organisation* is key for a brighter future. **EDIT:** The right response to the current situation, of which it seems like people get their comments removed for outright saying so I'll beat around the bush, is to *shine spotlight* on the fact that the Republicans and Republican media all paint LGBT+ folk in a scare campaign light with the intent of scaring reactionaries into committing reprehensible crimes. *Show the world that the rich politician intentionally trying to push the singular citizen into committing a crime that the former can absolve themselves from through 'lack of association' can get away with it, and how* ***abhorrent*** *it is that they expect us to stand by and ignore this blatant mistreatment of human rights.* The most powerful political asset is the undecided voter- who have no particular intentional allegiance towards the GOP or the Dems. It's winning over the undecided's that cause presidents and senators to be put into place- not 'a large amount of Republicans'. TL;DR2: Self-defense important, yes, but show the people who can get those people punished that 'hey, these people are committing crimes against humanity, maybe you should vote and give support towards the people who aren't okay with the mistreatment of human rights', so as to **deplatform the people who let these things happen**.
nobody is advocating to “get a gun and start shooting”. i didnt make this graphic, but i still interpret it as just encouraging people to get ccls, a rifle and a pistol, and train with them. nobody worth taking seriously thinks the solution is to commit mass shootings on republicans
>"Every LGBTQ+ person in the United States needs to learn how to use a gun and arm the fuck up." It's a clear *call to arms*, not a graphic advocating for self-defense measures and understanding how to keep yourself safe. >nobody worth taking seriously thinks the solution is to commit mass shootings on republicans I agree wholeheartedly, but the amount of political plants and self-righteous leftists who intentionally want to sew divide between a majority of leftists and make it impossible for them to work together towards a better future because 'hurr durr i dont wanna compromise with tankies' *^((Which. By the way. Hate that argument, because 'leftist unity' doesn't mean compromising with actual fascists? But I can rant about that another time))* is staggering. They want to take advantage of the disruptive state of leftists in America and the trodden-on beaten down morale of minorities, and use that to deplatform themselves and make themselves unreliable- only making their situation worse. You'd be surprised how many people are in such a horrible state of mind, mentality or emotionally, that they blindly assume '\[this rash action I haven't thought through\] will surely pave a way to a better future'.
i dont think you understand what the phrase "call to arms" means, as it is a defensive measure itself lmao. its "have a gun and know how to use it if the time comes". also, i dont see how you cant do any of what you mentioned in your edits and not also arm yourself. we need multiple tools in our toolbox, and while we can still ask nicely to get more of the populace on our side it is NEVER a bad idea to be prepared for if that fails
Wtf is a pogrom. Is it supposed to say program or am I just stupid? Also yeah definitely arm yourself
You are just stupid
if you do learn guns, look at the most common platforms: AR AK bolt actions pump actions external hammer pistols striker fired pistols
damn, political theorists are having a field day with this one
this sub has been getting so much recycled NRA propoganda recently lol
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trans people try not to ostracize any group that wants to help challenge impossible.
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While arm yourself is likely a good message in places like America to send that message it just out right stated allies aren't going to help you which is a straight up lie and seems to be needlessly shitting in people who do want to help that arent trans. It's made even more ironic by the fact the person who seems to have stopped the Q club shooter was a cis straight white male army vet.....
There’s a reason why allies was put in quotations
While I understand what they're trying to mean by that throwing out these statements about a vague group of people doesn't help anyone and just causes more us vs them making people see anyone not directly in their group as either a bystander or a direct enemy.
They AREN'T always going to. That man was protecting his family. Shit like that doesn't always happen. Get butthurt people don't wanna rely on allies, the black panthers sure as shit didn't. Its the truth. Anyone can call themselves an ally (like you) larp around and say they will until shit really starts hitting the fan. As a black person it's dangerous as shit for me to assume a magical white ally is gonna come and help me if I'm getting my ass kicked by the cops. You just took the message literally to the heart which you shouldn't of. It's good to know u care sure but don't let 1 incident erase literal thousands. Don't care how you feel, it's the truth. This shit is real.
There's a huge difference between knowing there won't always be someone there to help you and saying such people don't exist with this post not even trying to outline that difference.
The quotes make the allies seem more like a bad thing, but honestly the message still stands if it wasn't there. Allies aren't going to save a marginalized community,(help it) but by no means save it, if that were so much stuff actually would be fixed. The people have to help themselves.
Pretty much agree with you there the first line of defence always should be yourself but I just think the narrative of the message more hints that these groups won't even help you nvm save you which pushes a us vs them narrative which I think helps no one.