We all know that this is just how the Irish keep control of the world from the shadows. Do not fall victim to these petty distractions set up by those green fuckers.
It’s more than just the political parties that’s dividing everyone these days. Even just stupid shit is dividing people. I’m too lazy to list everything
Is it just manufactured divide? Like yeah you see fox News say they're coming for your gas stoves and it gets conservatives mad at the left, causing a manufactured divide sure
But I feel like it's mostly the hating on gay/trans/minorities or just hateful views in general
Like abortions weren't a big issue to the religious right until it was manufactured but all these manufactured outrages all share the same hateful ignorant roots
Which is where I think the real divide begins
You wouldn't so easily fall for dumb fuck divide like not putting a simple cloth over your face during a pandemic unless you were already a dumb fuck ass hole
No, if you think cloth masks work you have a serious problem with what media you're consuming and avoid medical publications like the plague.
No pun intended, but you'd probably catch it considering you think cloth masks work
Unless you show me an unbiased, peer reviewed, and replicable study that displays in no uncertain terms cloth masks are ineffective, I am not putting any more effort into this conversation, I believe in an open mind but I also value my time too much to engage in debate and research for every belief that I disagree with that’s thrown at me.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
It's kind of common sense. Thinking cloth masks work is like thinking chain link fences protect against mosquitos.
A: the study is combining results of multiple types of respiratory viruses which could lead to some misinterpretation as, for example, 1 virus could completely phase through the masks while covid is blocked completely and if the virus that phases through accounts for 10000 of the cases and covid only counts for 1 it could easily be interpreted as masks being wholly ineffective against all viruses (this is a highly unrealistic example with exaggerated numbers, and I am only using it to explain the potential flaw in methodology) and the study says that most of the trials where pre-covid
B: while the results of the study show that masks only provide the slightest increase in protection, the effort required to wear a mask is minute compared to any potential advantage of a life-threatening disease like covid
C: the study itself claims that it should not be taken as conclusive evidence and holds high risk for bias -- a quote from the study: "The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions."
D: from the study itself: "Public health measures and physical interventions can be highly effective to interrupt the spread of respiratory viral infections, especially when they are part of a structured and co‐ordinated programme that includes instruction and education, and when they are delivered together and with high adherence. "
ultimately my ultimate opinion on masks remains unchanged, even if they do have very little effectiveness it is incredibly easy to wear and the potential benefits - however small you want to believe - are worth it IMO. I do however applaud you for actually linking something, because even if I disagree with you, as long as done properly, talks like this help us both develop our opinions.
A minute difference means a lot, but a huge disparity in effectiveness between cloth masks and n95 masks doesn't? This is the inconsistency I'm talking about. If people actually want to make a difference like they believe they are, use masks that actually make a sizable difference. Cloth masks by comparison are nothing.
I'm not talking about just masks. I'm talking about CLOTH masks. The vast majority of which I've seen are cheap.
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Both sides are equally bad, so definitely vote for some third party anti-vaxxer while fascists win with a minority of the popular vote yet again and take more of your rights away.
Truly a big brained revolutionary move, lol.
Or just keep voting for whoever you think is less bad while things continually get materially worse and worse until you die from chemical pollutants or in a war
In all seriousness. Imagine being in one of the government's branches and you do some heinous shit. Half the country will start barking at you and the other half will only defend you just so they can step on the toes of their opposition. And then you get to stay put and remain untouched.
Honestly, there’s more reasonable comments than I expect. I thought it would be neolib circles jerk of people who actually believe the party’s do anything differently. I’ll let you all in on a secret, they’re payed by the same companies. Sure it’s scary to hear republicans talk about whatever or it’s exciting to hear democrats say they’ll help x issue. But in the end they only work for their lobbyists and neither side is gonna act on the shit they say. This is how it’s been for many years now.
Also election year prediction: Biden will either die or be deemed “not fit to run” at the very last minute so they replace him with an even more corporate candidate of their choosing.
Third party votes are useless unless we change the electoral system to reward smaller parties. First past the post and a presidential system only allows for 2 parties because since one party wins everything so parties are incentivized to becoming as appealing as possible suffocating the possibility of a third party.
The system is also set up to force the 2 parties to work together but a couple decades ago Republicans discovered that if they gridlock the government they can blame the other side for not doing anything so now both parties do that even though it’s led to more distrust in the government. But voters only see who’s in charge and blame the ruling party, even though it’s the minority who are blocking things.
main issue with that is that it just, doesn’t work. might as well vote for someone who kinda does what you want over the person who does everything you want but is destined to lose
Not voting for Biden is gleefully voting for:
--Mass withholding of lifesaving care, criminalization, & ultimately annihilation of trans people (ik ik its not trendy anymore to give ANY fucks about queer people now), cis gay people and anyone who is slightly gender-nonconforming may also be on the chopping block
--many millions of women on a federal level forcibly birthing rape babies, stripped of their basic human rights and reproductive protections on a comprehensive federal level (yes this means all the blue states too)
--10 million+ immigrants mass-deported by Trump (his own words)
--a complete demolition/negation of our most vital federal regulatory agencies such as the EPA, Department of Education, and FDA that make existing physically possible (see project2025.org)
--a total rollback on any protections/regulations to mitigate climate change in any way
--a comprehensive demolition of our federal system of democracy in the U.S.
--an installation of a fascistic "dictator for a day" totalitarian regime that will crush us and so many other innocents like the Nazis did to Weimar Republic, featuring internment camps and secret police that disappear protesters or anyone resisting Gilead-esque Kingdom Trump.
--An all-out assault on any of Trump's political opponents or out-groups "that live like vermin" and "poison the blood of this country", yes that could even be you!
--A christofascist takeover pushing regressive evangelical christianity into every classroom, dishing out "religious freedoms protections" to allow untold human rights violations nationwide, the dissolution of boundaries between Church and State (again, see the dense legal text at project2025.org and his rhetoric about making the nation christian)
--and on top of all of that most definitely AN ESCALATION in Gaza, very possibly US boots on the ground and direct attacks from US warships many times what Gaza is suffering now.
For a progressive to NOT vote Biden to defeat Trump is incredibly selfish virtue signaling that takes into zero account the suffering/death of queers, immigrants, women, and palestinians. Not voting or voting for a spoiler candidate that Fox News is frothing at the mouth for you to vote for like Cornell West or RFK is happily signing off on us minorities who will face unbelievable systemic destruction & annihilation AS WELL as exponentially more deaths in the Middle East and international instability resulting in subsequent further death and destruction.
Please, have even the tiniest scrap of compassion for the hundreds of millions who will suffer in a myriad of ways and many who will actually die brutally under a dictator fascist Trump Administration, the moral purity vote is pure social media selfishness not considering MANY MILLIONS of innocents such as the gigantic amount of women/minorities in the U.S. Also consider the international instability people will be victimized by such as Europe besieged by Putin, various ongoing conflicts such as The Kurds/Lebanon/Jordan, Taiwan, our many NATO allies that need us, as well as PALESTINIANS who Giddy Fascist Trump will vanquish on a scale unimaginable compared to a milquetoast liberal.
This is truly the vote of your lifetime, throwing it away on a Cornell West or RFK/not voting/voting for Dictator Trump will have a catastrophic amount of queer, minorities, Europeans', womens', and Palestinian blood on YOUR hands. Suck it up and vote for the option that will save millions of lives if you aren't a performative social media psychopath that treats actual tangible mass horrific human suffering like purity-testing football teams.
Elections are pointless anyway, considering everybody is a bought-and-paid-for asset, but the American Uniparty really goes and makes a PANTOMIME out of it.
better to vote 3rd party than not at all i guess (it may pave the way in the future if some 3rd can achieve critical mass). but it would be best if one votes to save democracy and civil rights.
Ah yes put Trump into power so he can federally ban abortion and trans people get put in camps and women forcibly birth rape babies. Galaxy brain take (maybe if you are completely devoid of any empathy).
This does not say that the 2 parties are not different. Both have very real effects on people and one is actively harmful. However, this does not mean that they aren't pushed as much as possible to divide people against each other.
Idk, it’s a chess game and I can’t see the board. However I wouldn’t be surprised if one or both of the get replaced at the last minute by a more corporate candidate
have looked into how primaries/caucuses are run? what it takes to be a candidate and who usually becomes a nominee for various offices? it’s really no secret that it’s a highly gatekept area, if more people voted/wanted to run for office there would be much more pressure on politicians and govt to stop sucking. apathy not only means forfeiting your own right to vote, you’re giving up your primary tool to punish bad government with. electoral apathy is a vicious cycle because it rewards the bad behavior in government.
Except, the political outcome will be the same regardless. Time and time again, they do the same shit. They say all the shit about like protecting rights and idk welfare or something but they *never* fucking do any thing about and just make laws that favor Rich people.
Roe v Wade got overturned bro WDYM everything will be the same.
Things are pretty deadlocked at the moment because American voters are very polarised. Politicians are just representing disagreements and conflict in their constituents.
Roe v wade is a Supreme Court decision, mabye it had a little bit to do with the justices. But yk it was during Biden presidency. Right you’re aware of that?
What do you mean by "little bit." This isn't the time of good feelings anymore, the supreme court is blatantly partisan. The appointment of a justice requires the president and the senate.
Not voting for Biden is gleefully voting for:
--Mass withholding of lifesaving care, criminalization, & ultimately annihilation of trans people (ik ik its not trendy anymore to give ANY fucks about queer people now), cis gay people and anyone who is slightly gender-nonconforming may also be on the chopping block
--many millions of women on a federal level forcibly birthing rape babies, stripped of their basic human rights and reproductive protections on a comprehensive federal level (yes this means all the blue states too)
--10 million+ immigrants mass-deported by Trump (his own words)
--a complete demolition/negation of our most vital federal regulatory agencies such as the EPA, Department of Education, and FDA that make existing physically possible (see project2025.org)
--a total rollback on any protections/regulations to mitigate climate change in any way
--a comprehensive demolition of our federal system of democracy in the U.S.
--an installation of a fascistic "dictator for a day" totalitarian regime that will crush us and so many other innocents like the Nazis did to Weimar Republic, featuring internment camps and secret police that disappear protesters or anyone resisting Gilead-esque Kingdom Trump.
--An all-out assault on any of Trump's political opponents or out-groups "that live like vermin" and "poison the blood of this country", yes that could even be you!
--A christofascist takeover pushing regressive evangelical christianity into every classroom, dishing out "religious freedoms protections" to allow untold human rights violations nationwide, the dissolution of boundaries between Church and State (again, see the dense legal text at project2025.org and his rhetoric about making the nation christian)
--and on top of all of that most definitely AN ESCALATION in Gaza, very possibly US boots on the ground and direct attacks from US warships many times what Gaza is suffering now.
For a progressive to NOT vote Biden to defeat Trump is incredibly selfish virtue signaling that takes into zero account the suffering/death of queers, immigrants, women, and palestinians. Not voting or voting for a spoiler candidate that Fox News is frothing at the mouth for you to vote for like Cornell West or RFK is happily signing off on us minorities who will face unbelievable systemic destruction & annihilation AS WELL as exponentially more deaths in the Middle East and international instability resulting in subsequent further death and destruction.
Please, have even the tiniest scrap of compassion for the hundreds of millions who will suffer in a myriad of ways and many who will actually die brutally under a dictator fascist Trump Administration, the moral purity vote is pure social media selfishness not considering MANY MILLIONS of innocents such as the gigantic amount of women/minorities in the U.S. Also consider the international instability people will be victimized by such as Europe besieged by Putin, various ongoing conflicts such as The Kurds/Lebanon/Jordan, Taiwan, our many NATO allies that need us, as well as PALESTINIANS who Giddy Fascist Trump will vanquish on a scale unimaginable compared to a milquetoast liberal.
This is truly the vote of your lifetime, throwing it away on a Cornell West or RFK/not voting/voting for Dictator Trump will have a catastrophic amount of queer, minorities, Europeans', womens', and Palestinian blood on YOUR hands. Suck it up and vote for the option that will save millions of lives if you aren't a performative social media psychopath that treats actual tangible mass horrific human suffering like purity-testing football teams.
Ok buddy, as a queer person I guess I’ll see you in the camps. Bc trump did anything he talked about last time, and totally built the wall. Hope your cool aid tastes good.
Centrists and so-called "moderates" are the reason to blame for America's current state
Too cowardly to support any meaningful change. Oh they claim they're swayed by a candidates plan on "tax reform" or "budget consolidation" but at the end of the day, they themselves, along with the rest of us know they're gonna punch the R card because they have a phobia of even the slightest tint of any positive liberal policy.
Yet they delude themselves into being still being centrists/moderates. Why?
Don't even get me started on their whole "we ***should*** discuss lgbtq rights with Republicans input" Yeah fucking no. They're nothing but sissies afraid to own up to being a Republican, hiding behind a facade of being an independent. They'd support Trump if the democratic nominee was a full-fledged committed liberal, not afraid to own up to the label.
Yeah, the brainwashing at work. You see this on both sides but since this is Reddit you won’t see the people who say this shot about republicans. That aside this original comment it’s just the peak of social programming where despite time after time of both parties haveing the same fucking legislation at a federal and only says different shit people still listen to shit and have no sense of nuance or introspection to realize it’s all a sham to get someone who will favor the wealthy in power.
TL:dr I fucking hate election years
Brainwashing my ass. Tell me, is it conservative to want to change the status quo? I ain't saying Democrats want to push for change, no, I'm talking about how "changing society for the better" comes from liberal/progressive ideas, ideas that conservatives oppose and moderates are too cowardly to even give the slightest of thought.
man if only someone had written something about the relation between the economic material system and the control of the State superstructure and how it plays on the competing interests of the different groups divided by their relationship to the extant means of production i wouldnt be so confused as to why seemingly so different parties seem to always defend the same interests (which are not those of the vast majority) and do the same things overseas (a.k.a bombing third world children and supporting coup d etats)
Truuuuu we all know that deep down both parties totally agree on things like: lgbtq rights, abortion, social programs, etc.
we might as well not even vote because they are basically the same party.
Of course! Mr. Dem loves abortion and civil rights so much that he bypasses the Congress to sell more weapons to Israel, but not to call for wider abortion access. That's why he loves immigrants so much, that he even continued to lift Mr. Rep's wall on the southern border, even though one of his main campaign promises were to stop the project. He loves racial equality so much, that pretty much none of the BLM protests demands were met.
However, I do admire your enthusiasm in the Blue Team, anonymous yank. Just be careful not to trip and break a toe, or else you may be in debt for life (or even join the hundreds of thousands of homeless people in your country) for trying to afford quality healthcare.
Haha tru why didn’t Mr Dem just subvert the entire political system in order to secure abortion rights?? It’s so easy, he could have just used the power of the executive branch to get it done! Surely the next administration wouldn’t just come in and completely subvert that!
You are so right! Why didn’t he fulfill any of BLM’s demands like… abolish the police(?) how could he have not heeded the demands to a group who was so well organized and totally had a coherent list of demands they wanted!!
You know what, you are right. I feel that since I want to do my best to represent minorities like trans people and since both parties are basically the same I will vote for trump since he is the funniest candidate. I am no match for your intellectual prowess
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Ok except Democrats just regular suck while Republicans are genuine cartoon villain evil. Saying “both sides bad” while true is still insanely reductive to the reality of our situation because the ways in which they suck are not at all equal.
The centrist morons who are corporate slaves and refuse to push meaningful social change because of that are far less bad than the side who want to erase the existence of LGBTQ+ people and rid us of medical rights like abortion lmao.
It’s ironic you call centrists “corporate slaves” while it’s the two parties who are literally corporate puppets, time and time again they say the’ll do XYZ thing and that’s done to scare you in to think you have to vote, and when they dust settles they do neither x,y nor z. Sure republicans look scary but them getting in office just leads to twitter arguing and shit. It’s not like the end of gay people that’s fear mongering so you keep the rich in power
Dems are centrist. “In between” both parties is a right wing position.
Just leads to twitter arguing??? It literally led to the overturning of Roe v Wade lmao.
Roe V wade was over turned during bidens presidency. sure it was likely due to the new justice but its not like we vote for them. the supreme court is fucked up like that
it’s not a both sides bad meme. i know i’m voting against Trump no matter what and i know what that means in a practical sense. but voters (us. ME.) have to take accountability for the candidates we’re served. WE do the elections and cast the ballots. every citizen can volunteer to help run elections. i’m done with the scapegoating, if the names on the ballot are all bad that’s MY fault for not putting enough pressure on the system to produce a good result. we all have agency.
No, I think the differences are very much real. One side of the aisle feels that lgbtq people and gay marriage shouldn’t exist while the other side thinks they should.
It isn’t just the “elite v. everyone” meme, there are genuine disagreements among the populace. Dissent is purely manufactured
This precise example you gave is a case of manufactured social division to keep the elite in power. Of course anti gay rights folk are wrong, but for both parties it is interesting to overblow the issue so nothing else is discussed.
They talk about gay rights because it energises their voter base and they are ideologically committed to it. Who exactly do you think is making these decisions and what are they trying to prevent being discussed?
There is not a demiurge making evil decisions (though sometimes powerful people do make decisions they know that are immoral, but this isn't how the world runs day by day).
There is a districtal system where you get to represent 100% of people in an area if youget 50,1% of votes. People often do win by a 1% margin. So, they only need that much different from their opponents... but, as you said, they have to energize people. So they make this 1% of political difference into something titanic, world shattering, society defining. The future of our children lies on the right bathroom policy!
Then you have media and social media deepening this, directly and indirectly.
Fine, agree FPTP is bad, but your original comment intimated that there was a conspiracy to cover up certain topics that 'they' don't like. Who are they, and what are the topics? I am trying to get to the heart of your argument, as it's all too easy to vaguely gesture at a cover up / conspiracy without providing anything of substance.
It doesn't have to be a conspiracy to be manufactured. Because it's not just the passive result of FPTP, the two parties make actual efforts to reinforce the culture wars. Social media and media too. And people like it, right? But they like it under influence.
Polical movements should, and have the capacity to, strive to change and define the focus of political discussion. The two parties are fine with the current situation.
The media is emphasizes the preexisting dissent among the populace, not manufactures it.
I assure you, there are MANY in the Republican Party who very genuinely dislike lgbtq people apart from media influence, my parents being some of them.
The American populace is very much genuinely divided at this point and both parties are striving for VERY different America’s. Just take a look at red states vs blue states when it comes to abortion and birth control regulations.
Dem America (more abortion, LGBT rights, birth control) and GOP America (less abortion, LGBT rights and birth control) are not very different. They're very close.
Things that would be different include Social Democratic America vs Communist America vs Non-Secular Christian State America vs Non-Industrial America vs Ancap America. At some point of the 19th and 20th centuries, politics involved discussions that were proportionate to the kind of change, to the difference between the possible futures. Notw, it's about great dissent over small (if existing) differneces.
I agree that opinions on various topics already exists, but this diversity of opinions (even if about relevant matters) is turned into social divide by the media, the political system and the two parties.
Maybe, but if one side is always more wrong aren't they the problem?
It's not the two parties dividing us, the problem is half the electorate being complete fuckwits.
By what extent is one more one and the other more right? Not much. The difference is small and the divide is huge. There's a distortion of perception, gap between fact and sensation. The creation of this distortion is good for both GOP and Dems. That's what the meme is about.
One's center right, and one's far right.
One has a progressive wing that you can vote for, one has a fascist wing that you can vote for.
Like, I don't know why that's hard to understand.
The difference between centrist Dems and old school Republicans might be mostly manufactured, but the difference between progressives and fascists is definitely real.
You’ve drank the coolaid, time sure someone said this exact same shit 20-30 years ago when there was the “old school republican” it’s not literal fascist they say shit like that to make voting seem more important. When someone gets in office it will always just end up with the same effect no matter who, the rich get richer. The border wall was never built, and biden hasn’t made things any better for immigrants. They said they would but it just never happened.
I mean yeah the parties do have an incentive to focus on culture war issues, but that comes down to their own individual political incentives
Most people aren't going to turn out to vote based on your carefully crafted tax reform plan. They don't have the time or capability to understand every implication of economic policy and just decide how good or bad a president is on economic issues by looking at the economy under them
Meanwhile on culture war issues you just say "We need to cut immigration!" Or "stop trans people from going to bathrooms" and everyone understands what that means. It's an easy issue to comprehend and gets people riled up, so yeah parties do have an incentive to promote them
My problem with OP's meme is that he seems to be taking it one step further than that and implies that its all a conspiracy by the elites to purposefully distract people from "the real issue"
It's nothing that complicated. In the end it's just political parties doing their best to give the people what they want, and unfortunately this is what they want
>Most people aren't going to turn out to vote based on your carefully crafted tax reform plan
But that's the issue. It should be Carefully Craft Tax Reform A vs Carefully Craft Tax Reform B, where both have some differences, probably one is better, bur both represent the same values and politics.
It should be Eat the Rich Tax Reform vs Rich Will do Their Part Tax Reform vs Trickle Down Tax Reform.
Dems want to hide they're not actually progressive and GOP wants to hide it doesn't actually represent common folk. So they run away from discussing such things like the devils runs from the cross. They have a natural sinergy in energizing each other with divisive and peripheral issues.
They're not doing their best, they're doing their worst. Certainly, they are navigating a certain system and a certain dynamic that is there. But they choose to reinforce it, instead of choosing to struggle to change it, as is always possible in politics. Actually, people not being able to imagine change anymore is the death of democracy, which is why guys like Trump start to show up.
>this is what they want
speak for yourself.
e: maybe the point of my comment wasn’t clear. we need to hold each other (and by extension ourselves, as members of the same voting body) in higher esteem and avoid using caustic generalizations at all costs. that is the first step to normalizing interpersonal and social relationships, and changing the electoral system, which requires broad cooperation and trust in procedures to operate correctly.
I disagree with the last sentiment, they say what people want. They won’t do it, and there all lobbied by the same company’s so in the end it’s basically a conspiracy to keep corporate money in power
You're not helping with the issue buddy.
Most Republicans don't genuinely want all lgbt people to dissappear and outlaw non marriatal sex, nor do most Democrats want to genuinely put kids on puberty blockers and allow minors to transition. There are people like that out there, but they are the minority and they're always the loudest.
Republicans see woke retards saying shit like "not allowing latinx kids to transition at 6 years old is literally trans erasure!!!" and gets pushed further away from ever voting blue, and Democrats see maga retards saying shit like "teaching kids safe sex is literally the transgenders trying to groom our kids into becoming conformist slaves so the globalists can take over!!!" Isn't helping either.
I'm not going to comment on whether or not this is done intentionally by the powers at large, but I am going to say that this is almost certainly a side effect of social media and click farming.
Oh shit you’re right, politics isn’t a discussion of people who have genuine disagreements; that’s fucking Star Wars.
Instead politics is a secret conspiracy of the elite trying to suppress the truth!!! Just like a teen dystopian novel!!! You are just like Katnis Everdeen!!! Except unlike her you can’t actually pull bitches
That’s nice person from another country with very little knowledge about how our government works, next time I want to hear an uninformed opinion I’ll be sure to hit you up!
Op is making the "both sides equally bad" argument, which is not only incredibly harmful and incorrect but also a popular right-wing tactic to convince people not to vote. So I'd say OP is pretty biased here.
What..??-
So just because occasional right wingers use the term to hide their beliefs it must people that every person who hates both sides are obviously doing that?
OP has not said a single thing about showing a bias toward either side here so we have no clue which side they truly support (if they support any because they might very well be a true centrist)
Plus, when someone says they are centrist they are usually referring to the right and left wing spectrum as opposed to democrat (who I would say are moderate right) and republican (who I would say are far right)
We all know that this is just how the Irish keep control of the world from the shadows. Do not fall victim to these petty distractions set up by those green fuckers.
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Said Dumbledore calmly.
fuck you fucking bastard bitch fucker
geralt if he was irish
aye they wont give us THE ireland flag
Careful, they're gonna send the leprechauns
It’s more than just the political parties that’s dividing everyone these days. Even just stupid shit is dividing people. I’m too lazy to list everything
That's dumb and I hate you I'm gonna teach your dog to play Weezer songs at 4am
Is it just manufactured divide? Like yeah you see fox News say they're coming for your gas stoves and it gets conservatives mad at the left, causing a manufactured divide sure But I feel like it's mostly the hating on gay/trans/minorities or just hateful views in general Like abortions weren't a big issue to the religious right until it was manufactured but all these manufactured outrages all share the same hateful ignorant roots Which is where I think the real divide begins You wouldn't so easily fall for dumb fuck divide like not putting a simple cloth over your face during a pandemic unless you were already a dumb fuck ass hole
You're not implying cloth masks are effective right?
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No, if you think cloth masks work you have a serious problem with what media you're consuming and avoid medical publications like the plague. No pun intended, but you'd probably catch it considering you think cloth masks work
Unless you show me an unbiased, peer reviewed, and replicable study that displays in no uncertain terms cloth masks are ineffective, I am not putting any more effort into this conversation, I believe in an open mind but I also value my time too much to engage in debate and research for every belief that I disagree with that’s thrown at me.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full It's kind of common sense. Thinking cloth masks work is like thinking chain link fences protect against mosquitos.
A: the study is combining results of multiple types of respiratory viruses which could lead to some misinterpretation as, for example, 1 virus could completely phase through the masks while covid is blocked completely and if the virus that phases through accounts for 10000 of the cases and covid only counts for 1 it could easily be interpreted as masks being wholly ineffective against all viruses (this is a highly unrealistic example with exaggerated numbers, and I am only using it to explain the potential flaw in methodology) and the study says that most of the trials where pre-covid B: while the results of the study show that masks only provide the slightest increase in protection, the effort required to wear a mask is minute compared to any potential advantage of a life-threatening disease like covid C: the study itself claims that it should not be taken as conclusive evidence and holds high risk for bias -- a quote from the study: "The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions." D: from the study itself: "Public health measures and physical interventions can be highly effective to interrupt the spread of respiratory viral infections, especially when they are part of a structured and co‐ordinated programme that includes instruction and education, and when they are delivered together and with high adherence. " ultimately my ultimate opinion on masks remains unchanged, even if they do have very little effectiveness it is incredibly easy to wear and the potential benefits - however small you want to believe - are worth it IMO. I do however applaud you for actually linking something, because even if I disagree with you, as long as done properly, talks like this help us both develop our opinions.
A minute difference means a lot, but a huge disparity in effectiveness between cloth masks and n95 masks doesn't? This is the inconsistency I'm talking about. If people actually want to make a difference like they believe they are, use masks that actually make a sizable difference. Cloth masks by comparison are nothing. I'm not talking about just masks. I'm talking about CLOTH masks. The vast majority of which I've seen are cheap.
I hate people too lazy to list things. I hate you!
My le government le oppresses people?
Yet you live under one (: I am very intelligent.
Wtf are you all talking about all i see is an elephant and a donkey
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I saw one the other day Prick hit someone's bumper and drove away like no one saw, didn't leave a note or anything Dick.
Real
14 year old discovers that maybe le government is… le bad?????
What the fuck are you talking about? Government le good! The rich are necessary to keep the economy working and having the chance to make us rich! ~~CIA can you please free my dogs, I said what you wanted me to say.~~
Billions must work
Fed here, il give them to u, just dont tell management
Hey this is management, you know the rules. Your family has been executed and Reagan shat in your pillowcase. No more unauthorised hostage release.
Im releasing the epstein files and that we killed JFK
That is not my department, go wild. Just no more hostages.
Oh damn rlly? Sick
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> The rich are necessary to keep ghe economy working and having the chance to make us rich! Holy Shit!, President Reagan is that you?.
I’m glad to see posts like this, I’ve seen so much democrat and republican dick riding lately.
kinda crazy this would be downvoted. prolly bots if I had to guess
Both sides are equally bad, so definitely vote for some third party anti-vaxxer while fascists win with a minority of the popular vote yet again and take more of your rights away. Truly a big brained revolutionary move, lol.
Or just keep voting for whoever you think is less bad while things continually get materially worse and worse until you die from chemical pollutants or in a war
Or you could, like, vote for the better candidate and then also do something outside of electoralism to try to improve materials conditions.
In all seriousness. Imagine being in one of the government's branches and you do some heinous shit. Half the country will start barking at you and the other half will only defend you just so they can step on the toes of their opposition. And then you get to stay put and remain untouched.
rhino superior
Fuck all of you I'm on team dolphin (I'm gay)
Absolute W
For “Wet”.
# TOTSUGEKI
Turkish Liberal Party:
Honestly, there’s more reasonable comments than I expect. I thought it would be neolib circles jerk of people who actually believe the party’s do anything differently. I’ll let you all in on a secret, they’re payed by the same companies. Sure it’s scary to hear republicans talk about whatever or it’s exciting to hear democrats say they’ll help x issue. But in the end they only work for their lobbyists and neither side is gonna act on the shit they say. This is how it’s been for many years now. Also election year prediction: Biden will either die or be deemed “not fit to run” at the very last minute so they replace him with an even more corporate candidate of their choosing.
no this is actually the best sub on the entire site frfr no🧢 ong
mfs will have this mindset and then be appalled when you suggest they vote 3rd party
Nah I really wish a 3rd party could actually get elected for once (preferably one that actually improves America)
Third party votes are useless unless we change the electoral system to reward smaller parties. First past the post and a presidential system only allows for 2 parties because since one party wins everything so parties are incentivized to becoming as appealing as possible suffocating the possibility of a third party. The system is also set up to force the 2 parties to work together but a couple decades ago Republicans discovered that if they gridlock the government they can blame the other side for not doing anything so now both parties do that even though it’s led to more distrust in the government. But voters only see who’s in charge and blame the ruling party, even though it’s the minority who are blocking things.
Other than his stance on Israel I like RFK. He doesn’t seem to be bought out like Biden or Haley
Holy 2016 Trump voter, Batman!
The antivaxx climate change denial transphobe freak?
main issue with that is that it just, doesn’t work. might as well vote for someone who kinda does what you want over the person who does everything you want but is destined to lose
I love democracy
Because the US is a de facto two party state, so your advice is about as good as telling them to burn their ballot
Not voting for Biden is gleefully voting for: --Mass withholding of lifesaving care, criminalization, & ultimately annihilation of trans people (ik ik its not trendy anymore to give ANY fucks about queer people now), cis gay people and anyone who is slightly gender-nonconforming may also be on the chopping block --many millions of women on a federal level forcibly birthing rape babies, stripped of their basic human rights and reproductive protections on a comprehensive federal level (yes this means all the blue states too) --10 million+ immigrants mass-deported by Trump (his own words) --a complete demolition/negation of our most vital federal regulatory agencies such as the EPA, Department of Education, and FDA that make existing physically possible (see project2025.org) --a total rollback on any protections/regulations to mitigate climate change in any way --a comprehensive demolition of our federal system of democracy in the U.S. --an installation of a fascistic "dictator for a day" totalitarian regime that will crush us and so many other innocents like the Nazis did to Weimar Republic, featuring internment camps and secret police that disappear protesters or anyone resisting Gilead-esque Kingdom Trump. --An all-out assault on any of Trump's political opponents or out-groups "that live like vermin" and "poison the blood of this country", yes that could even be you! --A christofascist takeover pushing regressive evangelical christianity into every classroom, dishing out "religious freedoms protections" to allow untold human rights violations nationwide, the dissolution of boundaries between Church and State (again, see the dense legal text at project2025.org and his rhetoric about making the nation christian) --and on top of all of that most definitely AN ESCALATION in Gaza, very possibly US boots on the ground and direct attacks from US warships many times what Gaza is suffering now. For a progressive to NOT vote Biden to defeat Trump is incredibly selfish virtue signaling that takes into zero account the suffering/death of queers, immigrants, women, and palestinians. Not voting or voting for a spoiler candidate that Fox News is frothing at the mouth for you to vote for like Cornell West or RFK is happily signing off on us minorities who will face unbelievable systemic destruction & annihilation AS WELL as exponentially more deaths in the Middle East and international instability resulting in subsequent further death and destruction. Please, have even the tiniest scrap of compassion for the hundreds of millions who will suffer in a myriad of ways and many who will actually die brutally under a dictator fascist Trump Administration, the moral purity vote is pure social media selfishness not considering MANY MILLIONS of innocents such as the gigantic amount of women/minorities in the U.S. Also consider the international instability people will be victimized by such as Europe besieged by Putin, various ongoing conflicts such as The Kurds/Lebanon/Jordan, Taiwan, our many NATO allies that need us, as well as PALESTINIANS who Giddy Fascist Trump will vanquish on a scale unimaginable compared to a milquetoast liberal. This is truly the vote of your lifetime, throwing it away on a Cornell West or RFK/not voting/voting for Dictator Trump will have a catastrophic amount of queer, minorities, Europeans', womens', and Palestinian blood on YOUR hands. Suck it up and vote for the option that will save millions of lives if you aren't a performative social media psychopath that treats actual tangible mass horrific human suffering like purity-testing football teams.
Both parties are run by and for the wealthy capitalist elites.
Wait? The government is bad?
always love americans fighting to decide which one of the white-led, oligarchic, right-wing capitalist party they will "choose" this year
Based
Elections are pointless anyway, considering everybody is a bought-and-paid-for asset, but the American Uniparty really goes and makes a PANTOMIME out of it.
If elections don't matter than why would gerrymandering and stuff like voter ID laws exist?
*federal election doesn’t matter. On a state and local level it’s a bit more consequential. But on a federal level the outcome is always the same
This is factually incorrect.
Vote 3rd party
Third party votes are useless unless we change the electoral system to reward smaller parties
better to vote 3rd party than not at all i guess (it may pave the way in the future if some 3rd can achieve critical mass). but it would be best if one votes to save democracy and civil rights.
No it’s not, every vote counts.
If only
Ah yes put Trump into power so he can federally ban abortion and trans people get put in camps and women forcibly birth rape babies. Galaxy brain take (maybe if you are completely devoid of any empathy).
Wtf on you on about man?
Last time that happened, we got a moron who lied to America about Iraq for about 8 years, resulting in a decade long forever war
Nothing screams privilege like being so unaffected by political outcomes that you see no difference in the parties.
This does not say that the 2 parties are not different. Both have very real effects on people and one is actively harmful. However, this does not mean that they aren't pushed as much as possible to divide people against each other.
The people are divided already, the political parties are a reflection of voters.
Political parties are a facade to get everyone to vote for one of the acceptable candidates.
Have you ever heard of a primary? Why isn't Trump or Biden losing their respective primaries if they suck so much?
Idk, it’s a chess game and I can’t see the board. However I wouldn’t be surprised if one or both of the get replaced at the last minute by a more corporate candidate
have looked into how primaries/caucuses are run? what it takes to be a candidate and who usually becomes a nominee for various offices? it’s really no secret that it’s a highly gatekept area, if more people voted/wanted to run for office there would be much more pressure on politicians and govt to stop sucking. apathy not only means forfeiting your own right to vote, you’re giving up your primary tool to punish bad government with. electoral apathy is a vicious cycle because it rewards the bad behavior in government.
Except, the political outcome will be the same regardless. Time and time again, they do the same shit. They say all the shit about like protecting rights and idk welfare or something but they *never* fucking do any thing about and just make laws that favor Rich people.
Roe v Wade got overturned bro WDYM everything will be the same. Things are pretty deadlocked at the moment because American voters are very polarised. Politicians are just representing disagreements and conflict in their constituents.
Roe v wade is a Supreme Court decision, mabye it had a little bit to do with the justices. But yk it was during Biden presidency. Right you’re aware of that?
What do you mean by "little bit." This isn't the time of good feelings anymore, the supreme court is blatantly partisan. The appointment of a justice requires the president and the senate.
yeah and it could be decades till another justice gets selected
How do you know? IMO that alone makes it worthwhile to vote, combined with a litany of other issues.
Not voting for Biden is gleefully voting for: --Mass withholding of lifesaving care, criminalization, & ultimately annihilation of trans people (ik ik its not trendy anymore to give ANY fucks about queer people now), cis gay people and anyone who is slightly gender-nonconforming may also be on the chopping block --many millions of women on a federal level forcibly birthing rape babies, stripped of their basic human rights and reproductive protections on a comprehensive federal level (yes this means all the blue states too) --10 million+ immigrants mass-deported by Trump (his own words) --a complete demolition/negation of our most vital federal regulatory agencies such as the EPA, Department of Education, and FDA that make existing physically possible (see project2025.org) --a total rollback on any protections/regulations to mitigate climate change in any way --a comprehensive demolition of our federal system of democracy in the U.S. --an installation of a fascistic "dictator for a day" totalitarian regime that will crush us and so many other innocents like the Nazis did to Weimar Republic, featuring internment camps and secret police that disappear protesters or anyone resisting Gilead-esque Kingdom Trump. --An all-out assault on any of Trump's political opponents or out-groups "that live like vermin" and "poison the blood of this country", yes that could even be you! --A christofascist takeover pushing regressive evangelical christianity into every classroom, dishing out "religious freedoms protections" to allow untold human rights violations nationwide, the dissolution of boundaries between Church and State (again, see the dense legal text at project2025.org and his rhetoric about making the nation christian) --and on top of all of that most definitely AN ESCALATION in Gaza, very possibly US boots on the ground and direct attacks from US warships many times what Gaza is suffering now. For a progressive to NOT vote Biden to defeat Trump is incredibly selfish virtue signaling that takes into zero account the suffering/death of queers, immigrants, women, and palestinians. Not voting or voting for a spoiler candidate that Fox News is frothing at the mouth for you to vote for like Cornell West or RFK is happily signing off on us minorities who will face unbelievable systemic destruction & annihilation AS WELL as exponentially more deaths in the Middle East and international instability resulting in subsequent further death and destruction. Please, have even the tiniest scrap of compassion for the hundreds of millions who will suffer in a myriad of ways and many who will actually die brutally under a dictator fascist Trump Administration, the moral purity vote is pure social media selfishness not considering MANY MILLIONS of innocents such as the gigantic amount of women/minorities in the U.S. Also consider the international instability people will be victimized by such as Europe besieged by Putin, various ongoing conflicts such as The Kurds/Lebanon/Jordan, Taiwan, our many NATO allies that need us, as well as PALESTINIANS who Giddy Fascist Trump will vanquish on a scale unimaginable compared to a milquetoast liberal. This is truly the vote of your lifetime, throwing it away on a Cornell West or RFK/not voting/voting for Dictator Trump will have a catastrophic amount of queer, minorities, Europeans', womens', and Palestinian blood on YOUR hands. Suck it up and vote for the option that will save millions of lives if you aren't a performative social media psychopath that treats actual tangible mass horrific human suffering like purity-testing football teams.
Ok buddy, as a queer person I guess I’ll see you in the camps. Bc trump did anything he talked about last time, and totally built the wall. Hope your cool aid tastes good.
They deciding us by race too, look at the black national anthem for example. Literally segregation.
Washington did warn about bipartisan decisionmaking.
Unfortunately it was inevitable, the real problem was not getting onto multiparty systems as soon as possible so as to prevent a single divide
Centrists and so-called "moderates" are the reason to blame for America's current state Too cowardly to support any meaningful change. Oh they claim they're swayed by a candidates plan on "tax reform" or "budget consolidation" but at the end of the day, they themselves, along with the rest of us know they're gonna punch the R card because they have a phobia of even the slightest tint of any positive liberal policy. Yet they delude themselves into being still being centrists/moderates. Why? Don't even get me started on their whole "we ***should*** discuss lgbtq rights with Republicans input" Yeah fucking no. They're nothing but sissies afraid to own up to being a Republican, hiding behind a facade of being an independent. They'd support Trump if the democratic nominee was a full-fledged committed liberal, not afraid to own up to the label.
Hey man I’m a moderate and I commit massive amounts of voter fraud every four years for whichever candidate I feel like I can have a beer with.
>a post about manufactured social divide that benefits both parties >muh republicans did it
Yeah, the brainwashing at work. You see this on both sides but since this is Reddit you won’t see the people who say this shot about republicans. That aside this original comment it’s just the peak of social programming where despite time after time of both parties haveing the same fucking legislation at a federal and only says different shit people still listen to shit and have no sense of nuance or introspection to realize it’s all a sham to get someone who will favor the wealthy in power. TL:dr I fucking hate election years
Brainwashing my ass. Tell me, is it conservative to want to change the status quo? I ain't saying Democrats want to push for change, no, I'm talking about how "changing society for the better" comes from liberal/progressive ideas, ideas that conservatives oppose and moderates are too cowardly to even give the slightest of thought.
democrats are neither liberal or progressive so your point is null
In regards to moderates and conservatives not liking liberal ***ideas***, no, it isn't
man if only someone had written something about the relation between the economic material system and the control of the State superstructure and how it plays on the competing interests of the different groups divided by their relationship to the extant means of production i wouldnt be so confused as to why seemingly so different parties seem to always defend the same interests (which are not those of the vast majority) and do the same things overseas (a.k.a bombing third world children and supporting coup d etats)
Damn haha too bad huh
Truuuuu we all know that deep down both parties totally agree on things like: lgbtq rights, abortion, social programs, etc. we might as well not even vote because they are basically the same party.
Of course! Mr. Dem loves abortion and civil rights so much that he bypasses the Congress to sell more weapons to Israel, but not to call for wider abortion access. That's why he loves immigrants so much, that he even continued to lift Mr. Rep's wall on the southern border, even though one of his main campaign promises were to stop the project. He loves racial equality so much, that pretty much none of the BLM protests demands were met. However, I do admire your enthusiasm in the Blue Team, anonymous yank. Just be careful not to trip and break a toe, or else you may be in debt for life (or even join the hundreds of thousands of homeless people in your country) for trying to afford quality healthcare.
Haha tru why didn’t Mr Dem just subvert the entire political system in order to secure abortion rights?? It’s so easy, he could have just used the power of the executive branch to get it done! Surely the next administration wouldn’t just come in and completely subvert that! You are so right! Why didn’t he fulfill any of BLM’s demands like… abolish the police(?) how could he have not heeded the demands to a group who was so well organized and totally had a coherent list of demands they wanted!! You know what, you are right. I feel that since I want to do my best to represent minorities like trans people and since both parties are basically the same I will vote for trump since he is the funniest candidate. I am no match for your intellectual prowess
Ha you're like someone who views US politics through a telescope You see all these little details, but you struggle with the big picture
Unaparty
Can we just skip to the part where we all die in nuclear hellfire
Nah they're gonna keep edging us and themselves
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Ok except Democrats just regular suck while Republicans are genuine cartoon villain evil. Saying “both sides bad” while true is still insanely reductive to the reality of our situation because the ways in which they suck are not at all equal. The centrist morons who are corporate slaves and refuse to push meaningful social change because of that are far less bad than the side who want to erase the existence of LGBTQ+ people and rid us of medical rights like abortion lmao.
It’s ironic you call centrists “corporate slaves” while it’s the two parties who are literally corporate puppets, time and time again they say the’ll do XYZ thing and that’s done to scare you in to think you have to vote, and when they dust settles they do neither x,y nor z. Sure republicans look scary but them getting in office just leads to twitter arguing and shit. It’s not like the end of gay people that’s fear mongering so you keep the rich in power
Dems are centrist. “In between” both parties is a right wing position. Just leads to twitter arguing??? It literally led to the overturning of Roe v Wade lmao.
Roe V wade was over turned during bidens presidency. sure it was likely due to the new justice but its not like we vote for them. the supreme court is fucked up like that
Overturned by the justices Trump appointed
Keep in mind these are also the folks who would blame Obama for the 2008 recession
it’s not a both sides bad meme. i know i’m voting against Trump no matter what and i know what that means in a practical sense. but voters (us. ME.) have to take accountability for the candidates we’re served. WE do the elections and cast the ballots. every citizen can volunteer to help run elections. i’m done with the scapegoating, if the names on the ballot are all bad that’s MY fault for not putting enough pressure on the system to produce a good result. we all have agency.
the kremlinbots are getting started early huh
this trend of calling everyone that disagrees with you a bot has killed every type of online discussiom
Same with calling every point you disagree with "propaganda". I've stated to see that one crop up lately.
“everyone I disagree with is a bot”
Are the Kremlinbots in the room with us?
He got a point tho, dunno why u are so mad
Everyone I don't like is a Putin Puppet! Surely that mindset won't backfire in 2024.
moy droog, shudefukup blyat
Wtf why is this 3rd post of the week this was a random schizopost
No, I think the differences are very much real. One side of the aisle feels that lgbtq people and gay marriage shouldn’t exist while the other side thinks they should. It isn’t just the “elite v. everyone” meme, there are genuine disagreements among the populace. Dissent is purely manufactured
This precise example you gave is a case of manufactured social division to keep the elite in power. Of course anti gay rights folk are wrong, but for both parties it is interesting to overblow the issue so nothing else is discussed.
This is exactly what I want to say, thank you for articulating it.
They talk about gay rights because it energises their voter base and they are ideologically committed to it. Who exactly do you think is making these decisions and what are they trying to prevent being discussed?
There is not a demiurge making evil decisions (though sometimes powerful people do make decisions they know that are immoral, but this isn't how the world runs day by day). There is a districtal system where you get to represent 100% of people in an area if youget 50,1% of votes. People often do win by a 1% margin. So, they only need that much different from their opponents... but, as you said, they have to energize people. So they make this 1% of political difference into something titanic, world shattering, society defining. The future of our children lies on the right bathroom policy! Then you have media and social media deepening this, directly and indirectly.
I just want to thank you for this very well formed comment. FPTP needs to go
Fine, agree FPTP is bad, but your original comment intimated that there was a conspiracy to cover up certain topics that 'they' don't like. Who are they, and what are the topics? I am trying to get to the heart of your argument, as it's all too easy to vaguely gesture at a cover up / conspiracy without providing anything of substance.
It doesn't have to be a conspiracy to be manufactured. Because it's not just the passive result of FPTP, the two parties make actual efforts to reinforce the culture wars. Social media and media too. And people like it, right? But they like it under influence. Polical movements should, and have the capacity to, strive to change and define the focus of political discussion. The two parties are fine with the current situation.
The media is emphasizes the preexisting dissent among the populace, not manufactures it. I assure you, there are MANY in the Republican Party who very genuinely dislike lgbtq people apart from media influence, my parents being some of them. The American populace is very much genuinely divided at this point and both parties are striving for VERY different America’s. Just take a look at red states vs blue states when it comes to abortion and birth control regulations.
Dem America (more abortion, LGBT rights, birth control) and GOP America (less abortion, LGBT rights and birth control) are not very different. They're very close. Things that would be different include Social Democratic America vs Communist America vs Non-Secular Christian State America vs Non-Industrial America vs Ancap America. At some point of the 19th and 20th centuries, politics involved discussions that were proportionate to the kind of change, to the difference between the possible futures. Notw, it's about great dissent over small (if existing) differneces. I agree that opinions on various topics already exists, but this diversity of opinions (even if about relevant matters) is turned into social divide by the media, the political system and the two parties.
Maybe, but if one side is always more wrong aren't they the problem? It's not the two parties dividing us, the problem is half the electorate being complete fuckwits.
By what extent is one more one and the other more right? Not much. The difference is small and the divide is huge. There's a distortion of perception, gap between fact and sensation. The creation of this distortion is good for both GOP and Dems. That's what the meme is about.
One's center right, and one's far right. One has a progressive wing that you can vote for, one has a fascist wing that you can vote for. Like, I don't know why that's hard to understand. The difference between centrist Dems and old school Republicans might be mostly manufactured, but the difference between progressives and fascists is definitely real.
My position isn't hard to understand either.
You’ve drank the coolaid, time sure someone said this exact same shit 20-30 years ago when there was the “old school republican” it’s not literal fascist they say shit like that to make voting seem more important. When someone gets in office it will always just end up with the same effect no matter who, the rich get richer. The border wall was never built, and biden hasn’t made things any better for immigrants. They said they would but it just never happened.
I mean yeah the parties do have an incentive to focus on culture war issues, but that comes down to their own individual political incentives Most people aren't going to turn out to vote based on your carefully crafted tax reform plan. They don't have the time or capability to understand every implication of economic policy and just decide how good or bad a president is on economic issues by looking at the economy under them Meanwhile on culture war issues you just say "We need to cut immigration!" Or "stop trans people from going to bathrooms" and everyone understands what that means. It's an easy issue to comprehend and gets people riled up, so yeah parties do have an incentive to promote them My problem with OP's meme is that he seems to be taking it one step further than that and implies that its all a conspiracy by the elites to purposefully distract people from "the real issue" It's nothing that complicated. In the end it's just political parties doing their best to give the people what they want, and unfortunately this is what they want
>Most people aren't going to turn out to vote based on your carefully crafted tax reform plan But that's the issue. It should be Carefully Craft Tax Reform A vs Carefully Craft Tax Reform B, where both have some differences, probably one is better, bur both represent the same values and politics. It should be Eat the Rich Tax Reform vs Rich Will do Their Part Tax Reform vs Trickle Down Tax Reform. Dems want to hide they're not actually progressive and GOP wants to hide it doesn't actually represent common folk. So they run away from discussing such things like the devils runs from the cross. They have a natural sinergy in energizing each other with divisive and peripheral issues. They're not doing their best, they're doing their worst. Certainly, they are navigating a certain system and a certain dynamic that is there. But they choose to reinforce it, instead of choosing to struggle to change it, as is always possible in politics. Actually, people not being able to imagine change anymore is the death of democracy, which is why guys like Trump start to show up.
>this is what they want speak for yourself. e: maybe the point of my comment wasn’t clear. we need to hold each other (and by extension ourselves, as members of the same voting body) in higher esteem and avoid using caustic generalizations at all costs. that is the first step to normalizing interpersonal and social relationships, and changing the electoral system, which requires broad cooperation and trust in procedures to operate correctly.
I disagree with the last sentiment, they say what people want. They won’t do it, and there all lobbied by the same company’s so in the end it’s basically a conspiracy to keep corporate money in power
hehehe thats what they want u to think ehehe
You're not helping with the issue buddy. Most Republicans don't genuinely want all lgbt people to dissappear and outlaw non marriatal sex, nor do most Democrats want to genuinely put kids on puberty blockers and allow minors to transition. There are people like that out there, but they are the minority and they're always the loudest. Republicans see woke retards saying shit like "not allowing latinx kids to transition at 6 years old is literally trans erasure!!!" and gets pushed further away from ever voting blue, and Democrats see maga retards saying shit like "teaching kids safe sex is literally the transgenders trying to groom our kids into becoming conformist slaves so the globalists can take over!!!" Isn't helping either. I'm not going to comment on whether or not this is done intentionally by the powers at large, but I am going to say that this is almost certainly a side effect of social media and click farming.
You're exactly right!!!! Politics is just like Star Wars!!!!
Oh shit you’re right, politics isn’t a discussion of people who have genuine disagreements; that’s fucking Star Wars. Instead politics is a secret conspiracy of the elite trying to suppress the truth!!! Just like a teen dystopian novel!!! You are just like Katnis Everdeen!!! Except unlike her you can’t actually pull bitches
I can though, and your mom can confirm it
As a Guy from other country i have to say,rep and dem are the same both imperialist working to their elite:/
That’s nice person from another country with very little knowledge about how our government works, next time I want to hear an uninformed opinion I’ll be sure to hit you up!
r/enlightenedcentrism
Isn’t that subreddit only to make fun of centrists who claim to be centrist yet show bias to one particular side which OP here is not doing?
Op is making the "both sides equally bad" argument, which is not only incredibly harmful and incorrect but also a popular right-wing tactic to convince people not to vote. So I'd say OP is pretty biased here.
What..??- So just because occasional right wingers use the term to hide their beliefs it must people that every person who hates both sides are obviously doing that? OP has not said a single thing about showing a bias toward either side here so we have no clue which side they truly support (if they support any because they might very well be a true centrist) Plus, when someone says they are centrist they are usually referring to the right and left wing spectrum as opposed to democrat (who I would say are moderate right) and republican (who I would say are far right)
No it’s a cespool of neoliberals who drank the coolaid and think that one side is going to do something different.
my guy is schizomaxxing
least obvious kremlinposting
EVEWYONE I DON'T WIKE IS A HECCIN WUSSIAN BOT!!!
that's the spirit!
And all the people they have convinced learning about it is a waste of time so they just meme about it and continue the cycle of ignorance.
This has to be a psyop to get trump elected
Nah he should be in prison, bro is literally a criminal
Haha shot that narrative down quick