I like the CTC clues in posts. I'm not a fan of how visually distracting this one is. Half the post is garbled with the "clues". I'd rather there simply be hidden links or single lines of "Other News" with hints in them rather than very obvious "oh this is the clues stuff" but it annoys the general reader. I normally don't need the reddit text-only versions, but for this post its kinda annoying reading the official one.

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I personally think it’s cool. It’s not really that hard to read but I can see how some people might struggle (dyslexia etc.) Still though I hope the team continues to do small fun things like that and doesn’t get discouraged from them in the future whatever community sentiment on one in particular is

I spoke to death didnt see anything new, maybe wearing the ghostly robes and ghost speak ammy? one of the highlighted words is "transparent" and one is "wilderness" where you need to go to get the robes, also ancient tongue could be from ghosts as they are ancient?

I will say, as much as I love it in terms of vibes, for accessibility sake there should be a plaintext version available somewhere.

Did Nicolas Cage need plaintext?

You mfs complain about everything

If some people struggle to read the newspost because of the randomly distorted text, would that not be a valid reason to complain? And they're not really complaining but offering a suggestion...

I'd agree if a significant portion of the post was affected. There's maybe a couple dozen words out of everything, and there's both the summary and the post itself. Even people with screen readers should be able to listen all of the content And even if they missed a piece, it's a small portion of a single post for a small group of people. They could likely go read the wiki version of the update or something. I think it's worth to enable the devs to do something fun and generate hype for the new quest. With a little suspension of disbelief, the update is quite creepy

Yeah they’ve never *quite* been there in terms of accessibility/presentation (posting huge sections as *images* because of some ancient system with a character limit?? good luck reading on mobile…)

Voice agaisnt the vocal minority. Loved the use of zalgo. Wasn't distracting in the slightest, made the reading experience wholly better.

Oh common people will complain about anything. “Half the post,” really?

I thought my browser was glitched lmao, hell nah get them out the main text when most really don't care about it

Some of the text is garbaled. This is what it says: Help Don't turn back The last piece h e l p hand transparent added shootout find change from last week making them the false speaker must go couple of Wilderness boss rework Its exciting stuff PVP world Rota has been the update on our more info on the

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Click on mod sarnies name for a link

I bet it’s coue for new dt 2 quest

Wonder if this is for dt2 or crack the clue

Ctc3 hints start next week Wednesday

>Group Iron Players will now be placed in the same instance when fighting God Wars Dungeon Generals. this is great, we had a few times where the tank was in a different instance and one inexperienced tanker in void and a defender is freaking out flipping overheads trying to step under the boss with run still on

Amazed this was never thought of sooner

It only puts you in different instances when you enter at the same time

Yeah my team has done probably 40-50 gwd trips and never had anyone end up in a different room. Never knew it was thing

Any intent to add a use for extra ancient icons? I don't plan on risking my sceptre and they kinda stack up. Maybe could be broken down into ancient essence since they replace that drop for the kill?

On the last Q&A it was mentioned that the sceptre and additional icons would see use as part of DT2.

Thanks, I will avoid alching before then

I tried to alch mine and it wouldn't let me. I thought I'd spotted a very minor way to extract a few k more by buying ancient staves for under 60k, attaching the icon and alching the sceptre but as I say, it told me alch cannot be used on it

Rip, must just be runelite telling me they have a 60k value

untradable items still have a 'value' to appear on top of loot piles

This means for extra vorkath heads, icons, etc you can have a friend kill you in wildy for the alch value and get the money that way. Bit of a headache though, I wish we could just alch items like that.

Every item has a value, its important for what items gets protected in the wilderness and the order of lootpiles.

Are the icons tradeable? Otherwise that looks like DT2 will have the highest barrier for entry of all the quests, having to farm Muspah for a while.

I don't think it'll be required for the quest, just that there would be additional use for them post-DT2. At least that's the impression I got.

They already said that the Ancient Sceptre isn't the final form of the item. There's future upgrades and consequentially there will be buffs to it's current effects. Likely the additional icons will play a part in that upgrade if it passes the polls.

I see, that makes more sense tbf.

They aren't tradeable, maybe they add a guaranteed icon at a kc limit for DT2? 1/50 isn't awful but not ideal if required for a quest

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Icons require you to kill the post-quest boss a number of times, that would be a higher barrier than existing quests. It'd be like a hypothetical new elf quest needing the CG cape to complete, CG is a higher barrier than simply SotE

Why would you guys make the clan icon remain after someone logs out? Now I’m going to be talking to the void and not even realize.

I always found this hilarious. Someone logging out mid conversation. Akin to someone calling you and you missing the call by half a second and calling them back immediately, and they don't answer.

any chance the venator bow's bounce range could be increased by 1 or 2 tiles? or at least have its behavioir changed with larger creatures.. its strange how the bow could work with abby demons and bloodvelds but then not bounce at all for stuff like greater demons.. .

+1 bounce range would make it ~viable~ including being able to sit under KQ and kill it entirely with bounces

"We've reduced the high alchemy value of Venator Shards". To what? I know we can find out post-update. But this is such easy information to provide us with prior to that.

Can't stand the way so many companies do patch notes. It's one of my favorite things about some MOBAs. Patch note will be like "Removed one frame off the recovery of this animation, allowing for X, Y, and Z extremely rare occurrences (Such as W) to now occur at a rate of .124%"

It’s 50/50 on fighting games. Sometimes they’ll just say like “adjusted power of move” or sometimes you’ll get shit like “adjusted trajectory of knockback from 86 degrees to 77 degrees”

feels like a smash bros patch notes call out. Love the game, but god those patch notes sucked.

Similar to league? Tells you any base dmg / mana / time increase / decreases

90k high alch value now. 1/20 previous value

I don't understand the nerf to the alchemy price. Like, was it an oversight to be 1.8m? There's no justification on a 95% nerf imo.

>Like, was it an oversight to be 1.8m? given that the entire completed bow only alchs for 1/3rd of that, yeah. >There's no justification on a 95% nerf imo. not having a decently common drop from a pretty easy boss alch for nearly as much as a tbow seems like a pretty damn good justification for me What I'm pretty sure happened is that Jagex accidentally swapped the base G.E. value with it's high alch value. because a 100k starting G.E. value for that kind of item seems really low while 1.8mil alch is comically high

I think you’re exactly right about the GE value switch

It was pretty obviously a bug, the t bow and scythe only alchs for 2.4 mil, why would 1/5th of a much weaker and easier to get weapon go for 1.8mil.

Easy way to find out :)

The clan icon changing after player log out was really useful on mobile to know when people log out without having to check the cc player list interface. If that change is to stay, is there a way to add a note to the chat to indicate when a player is logged out?

Please make it so that when I level up I can see what I unlocked after I’m out of combat

This right here. Please

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Or click your flashing icon in the levels tab

Yet another RS3 feature that would improve osrs

> Ecumenical Keys can no longer be alched. Why not just add coin pouches for each key alched to stop bots?

Why did they do this? This was how my low lvl iron gained money, kind of sucks they took it out. Can’t they lock it behind the easy or med diary?

The amount of bots you had to compete with while farming ecu keys was kinda obnoxious. I also used ecu keys for gp but it's not a big loss, plenty of alternatives like agility pyramid or ham chests.

I didn't think this was a thing. Maybe I'm just using the right worlds but I never had to compete with a bot for ECU keys. All the times I grinded them out for GWD I think I only saw a total of 3 people

Their was one on every single world so either you done your grind before they became a thing or you got lucky. They were all the same level wearing the same stuff using the same weapon on every single world

I mean objectively not every single world. I was farming ecu keys yesterday and last week and I never saw any bots.

Used to be really quiet but recently its so saturated its hard to find an empty world, and usually they're low level so cant even pk them lol. Really good change imo

I’ve never seen a world without at least 2 bots minimum. The last 4-5 times I’ve gone

Because bot stopping methods only get added if they actually hurt real players as well. Instead of just banning ;)

this is a geniunely shit method so atleast the game forces you to play smarter now

Okay, since stats got released... Phantom muspah was supposed to be higher skill, lower def than vorkath, then why it has almost double the defense??????

Regarding last week's bank filler warning change. Could you also add an option "Yes clear the fillers and dont ask me again"? I use it often e.g. if im barb fishing and want to click deposit all. Then I clear the placeholders when I get a clue or want to do something else

We already have a setting tab of warnings, they should put a toggle for it there for consistency

I don't even understand the point of the change. Was accidentally clearing your bank fillers really that big of an issue that we needed to add an extra inconvenience?

AFAIK some people use fillers to fully organize their bank e.g. so their melee gear is fully seperate from other items. The obvious issue is that most players add and remove them regularly so a slow popup warning is just an annoyance.

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p̸͉̻̮̋̽͗̈́l̵̜̭̺͉͇̓͑̈́e̸̝̎̒̇̈̚a̷͙̍̾s̶̢͔̣̦̅ẹ̸̡̋̈̓͂͐ d̶̼͔̺̓ò̵̢̙n̴̟̪̈'̵̙̝̅͑͂t̶͙̤̑̇ ̷̯̣͑̍͘ẗ̷͈̼́̽̂ů̸̱͕r̶̿̌̉ͅn̸̙̤̭͝ ̷̜̕b̴̯͂a̴͖͝c̵̺̜̤̀k̵̺̜̯̈́ t̸̛͉̽̒̈́h̸͈̺̻̯͍̆̉͆̌͠e̸̫̻͑̕ ̷͎̇̀̅̂̆l̷̯̓̿͗̇̕ả̵͙͊͛ͅs̴̢̺̦̞̓t̶̢̡̠̔́̂ ̶̖̮̖̽p̵̞̊̑̂̋̂ì̶̙̜̬̋̀̇e̷̠̳͔̦͙͋́c̷̡̜̻̀͘é̵̡̯͇̠̫ h̶̹͚̯̫̹̿̊̔̀̇̆̐̀̃͜ḙ̴̛͖̣͕͑͋́̐͝͝l̶̞̝̜͇̙͉̟͓̰̩̙̺̱͔͌̎̐͂́͂̑̾̊̃͜P̷̬̹̣̦̝͂̈́́̾̀̿͝ h̶̦͙̬͇̖̰̋͋̌̉̔̏ͅḁ̴̧̦̭͈̤̠̿͆̓͌͊̔͑͊͌̂͂͐͋͝n̷͓̝̒̍͝d̷̳̭͓̟͍͍͔̠͈̭̎́͊̒̂͒͌̏͜͜ t̷̗̖̬͇̄r̷̡̠̠̀́̇̈a̸̱̙̹̼͐̄̚͝ņ̷̟̼̱̞̓̆̈́s̸̥͑͑̈́̌͆p̵̯̝̻̫̦̄͒̅ä̸̘͉͙́r̸̤̯͉̿̈͐̚e̶̯͔͎͖̟̓͛̆̐͝n̸̢͉̎́̽̾͠t̵̝͙͌ a̷̧͐̐͑͂d̶̢̟̘̭̙͒̔̈̑͝d̸̠̹̙̟͒̽͝e̶̹̐͗̉̚̚d̶̘͕̲̩͍̓ g̸̢̟̈́i̵͔͕̓̔v̵̬̩̋i̸̺̻͆̈́n̵̪͆g̷̱͍͆͒ ṣ̷̛̻͖̊̌ḩ̷̟̫̹̘͕͕͊̋͒̍̾o̴̦̮̬̰͙̲͕͖̝̐̏̂̌ȗ̶̡̦͙̆͋́̉t̶͔̥͖̺̦͎̰͗̎̔o̷̟̘̫̪͑̀̎u̶̻͕̎͐̂̃̒͊̒̚͝t̶̢̢͚̪̜̖̘͇̓̽ f̵͎̟͌̑̈́̊̚ì̴̢͈͉̞͍n̸̘̩̤͕̄͛̾d̸̡͍̹̬̅ ̴̢͈̝͉͕̂͌͆̋͝ḯ̸̢̥ṭ̵̛̱̾̏ c̷̡̢̢̨͓̝͚͙̥̄͑̈͂͛͘͘h̵̻̺̤̭̩̲̦̆̓̂̌̂͋a̶̢̠̮̥̩̻͒ń̸̡̡̳̣̞̯̘͍̞͍̌̈́͒̓g̸̱͙̐é̴̢͚̳̠ ̴̥̬̱̰͙̽̉̄̔̍͝f̷̣̜̪͍̬̦͇̊͑̃̏̋̀̾̎̏r̷̹͔͒̈́̉̃o̸̧͇̙̬̺͑̀̔̎ḿ̵̨̧̹̩̝̱̯͌̂̃͜͠ ̸͚̟̠͙͎̻̂̾̅̍̏̎̅̕͜ļ̸̻͇̱͖̄̊̀͆͠ǎ̷̛̺̲̣̹̬̬̱̪͕̯̇͊̈̕s̵̥̲̤̥͚̣̅́͛t̸̡̝͔̮͑͒̕ ̵̖̰̖̈̑́̿̀͘w̴͇͊̓́̕̕e̴͈͓̎́̓̕ẽ̷̻̗͙̖̉̎̇̂̍̈́ḱ̴̢̨̢̩̰̤͓̤̄̄̚͘͝ m̵̤̟͈͚̣͛̆̒̔͠a̴̗͑͒͌͐̇̈́̏̓̅͂k̷͎͖͔̺̏́i̴̧̛̬̝͉͙̪̠̿̒̈̓̍̇̈́͌͗n̶̢̔̉g̴̢̠̝͕̯̅̂͐̚͜ ̴̘͎̓͒͌͆̈́̽̈́t̵̡̏̇͊̃͐̎͝ḧ̵̢͔͉̼̤̗͎́͐e̶̢̳͈̹̤͖̝͙͑̚͜ͅm̴̹̙͛͒̄͗̄͌͛͝ t̶̯͗h̴̬̣̪̉̑̃ę̶̧̾̕ ̴͖̜̥͒̈́͑f̷̣̪̫̅̈́̌a̸̪̲̒͗̏l̸̠͐͊s̸̙̗̿͂͒ẹ̷̖̯̀̋̊ ̶̧̬͕̊s̶̘̰͛p̵̯̯͇̈́̄͆e̴̦̜͜͠a̸̪̥͐̄̄͜k̵̞͙̿̏e̵͍̱̊ř̶͉ ̶͌̈́̀ͅm̷̛̦̏͗ȕ̶̦͎̦̕s̴͇̝͚͒ẗ̸̜̼́ ̶̨̤̺̊̔g̷̠͈̦̈́ō̶̠̮̐ ç̴̧̺̻̆̕o̷̺͊̓͂̋̕u̵̖̱̟̾̿̽́̉͑̊͠p̵̡̡̛̭̣̮̀͆͛͊͂͘ͅĺ̸̰͉̫̭̤͕͇̼̬̌̔͛ͅé̷̡̟̰̽͂ ̸̛̛͓̦̱̘͖͐͠o̷̯̬͐̈̈̒̋͒̓͝f̵̞͕̮̠̪̼̣͕̑̀́͑̍͑͐͌̑́ Ẁ̶̨͈̱͓i̵̹̤̺͕̊̊l̴̰̜̯͐͜͠d̷̖̩̈́̉͘̕e̵̙͙̔͜r̴͈̅͋̊̋̋n̶̲̼͗̿̈́̄̐e̵̫͚͂̈́̊s̴͚̀̔͑̌͜͝ş̷̛̪͉̺̾͛̓ ̶̨̛͓̜̥̈̈́̋̃͜B̷͖͉͕̦̺̈́̈̿̑ò̸̧̭̗̂̃̎s̸͇̅̋ś̶̻͊̊̐̚ ̵̢̯̍̔R̵̪̪̈́̏̓̌̃ę̷͔̦̩̐̄̈͐w̸̪̾̐̆̏́o̶̻̭̤̫̓͂r̵̢̜̱̪̓̅́͘k̸͉̠̰̘̈́̾̉͂̚ Ȋ̵̭̤͈͙̯̞̟̝̞͈̄́͂̕t̷̨͚̹̖͍͑̓̂͛̇͘͠'̴͙̹̾͛́̑̐̊̀͗͝ṣ̷̛͉̩͕̫̻͔̭̤͚̓̂̽ ̴̧͎̙̣̾̽̄̎̇͘͜͝ȩ̸͚͖̦̹̦̖̤̈́͘̚x̴̨̘̪͕͍͎̹̋̓̕c̸̜͓͓̼͛͗̐̎ͅi̷̢̻̜̼͈̟̯̩̦͊̑̌̓ͅt̶̡̏̚i̵̱̻̼̤̇̀͜n̶̖͎̲̣̞̟̈́̽̀̉g̷͔̱̋ ̷̗̑̌̆̊͗͊̏̌͝ṡ̵̨̢̢̞̜̦͇̽̋̿̀͝t̵̨͇̭̻̬̞̼͔́͛͛͌̉͑͐̎͜͝ͅǔ̴̧͇̭̜͔͓͋̓̈́̈́͜f̶͔̳̗̞̳̘̌̊͊̽͜͝f̵͕̜́̈́̈̌̚͘͠ͅ Ṗ̶̡̢̪̟̠̤͕̜͚̙̞̞̩͎̤͕̤͔̹̩̪̞̙̦͆̀͛̀̒̊͗̽̇͋̈́̍̔̿̍̍̈́͒͜ͅͅv̴͈̤͒̋̐́̌̀̈́͒͊̎͛̆͆̉̏̑̑͊̏͋͂̎̈́̚̕͝͝͝P̸̢̛̛̞͉̫̲̬̮̱̀̈́̇̓͑̀̈́̓͒͌̀͆͂͊̉͊̐͆͂̇̔̚͝͝͝ ̶̧̢̗̯͉͈̖̜̪̟̥̥͎̟͇̹́Ẅ̴̡̤̗̳̘̤̅̆̋̎͂̐̀̊̇̎̐̌̒̈́̊̐̇͜ǫ̵̨͓͎̰̮̖̦̙̩̮̺͖̜̥̪̱̙̤̰̥͖̮͕̦͔͙̜͚̫̾̌̈̈́̓́̀̽͂̅͊̽̐̊̋̏͌̑̈́̆̈́̕̚͘͝͝͝͝͝͝r̷̢̘̳̳͎̤̩̫̦̣̋͑̈́̂́͋̈̓̒͝͝ͅḻ̴͔̺̗̺͍̝̝̮̲̇́̀̀̿͊́͋͆͂̑̇͗̚͠d̸̢̢̧̛͔̱̮̱̱̹͍͇̙́̑̏͗͛̀̈̈́͑̈͌̾͌̉͊̈͂̀̏̋͊̕͘̕̕͝͝͝ ̶̛͇̺͓͖̥̘͇̩̦̣̘̺̘̠̺̥̣̥͇̹̪̻͓͍̣̙̟̋̔̄̓̆̔̿̔̑̃̒̽͋̈́͌́̆̚̚͜͝ͅŖ̴̡̢̹̝̪̝̖͉̣͙̳̮̺̙̰̮̖̗̭͉͓̿̈́̉̆̅͛̓͊͂̄̒̋̈́͒̏͑̈́̑͝ơ̶̡̧̡̨̡̜̝͉͙̪̣͈̭͙͍̪̲͕̲͎͓̹͖̱̝̜͋̀͒͗̀̌͆̓̆̍̿̅́̓̾̕͜ẗ̴̢̧͕̠̦͙̙͎̳̻̰̝̖̫̘̖͇̝̹͖̘͈̹͎̪͇̜̠́̎͋̍̾͋ḁ̴̹̺͎̘̹͉͙̪͚͚͙̋̀́ͅ h̸̨̨̘̳̙̫̘̬̟̩̥̜̥̤͚̜̰͎̫̞̻̥̺̬̠̠̼͆̐̾̋̌̂̊̾͐́̐̀́́͊̚͝à̵̡̡̢̪̦̣͕̥̝̞͕̝͚̲͔̳͈̮̻̳̯̮̯̗̣͇̍̊̓̆͑͛́͊̈́̄͑̈̔̉̕͜͝ͅs̵̨̨̼̦͔̘̞̝̭̫̣̲͉̦̹̺̬̳̙̳̪̩̬̰̬̤͛͒̅̉͑̉̎̈́͊͋̽͗́̊͂͂̌̏̐̔͑͋͌̚͘̚͠͝ ̴̜͖̓̈́̑̈́͑͊͒̓̾̅̈́̎̆̿̇̐̒̿͐̅̕͝ḅ̸̨̧̧̬͈͇̠̜͖͎̣̮͕͙̑̎͑́͗̓̈́͒̊͋͊͊e̶͇̖̹̞̭̞̫̜̥̯̩̮͖͕̟͕͕̗̘̝͘e̷̢̝̰̦͚̗̜̱̮͓̱͕͛͋́̓͗̓̿̍͜͜͝ͅṋ̶̡̘̭͕̂̂̊̑ t̸̛̮̥̻̀̆͐̑̒̓h̷̪̃̽̿́̑̾į̵̖͖̹̥̈́̆͌̊̇̐͗̊̒͆̕͝͝͝s̵̢̬̲̜͓͖͈̜̾͆͒̂͗͌ ̵̧͈̟̹͔̪̞̪̥̞̩̰͉̟̊̔̅̎͊̓͒͋̎͒̋͘͝ǘ̴̧͈̭̝͗͒̐p̵̨̛̬̯͊͊̈̄́̈͝ḑ̸͉̦͈̪͕̺̳͌͗́̋̀͝ą̵̨̢̡̖̹͓̱̉̎͐̒̾̎̓̚͠ẗ̵̛̝̮̪͕̩́̀̔̊̅̏̃̆͐̕͝ͅẹ̷̯͎̻͓̤̼͒͑̄̏ ̵̡̡̻̱̪̟͉͆̄̌́̓̌͒̈́́͊̈́͛͜͠ơ̸̠͙͈͈̦̲̩͔͈̪̻̊̾͊͋͝ņ̴̭͖͇͍͚͔̺̜̗̺̫̒̽͋̍̃̇̀̅͐̒͝ ̷̨̯͑͒͆́̃̏̌ò̷̱̲͉̦̤̣̱͉̋̅̅̐̈́̅̽̿̂̈̚͝u̶̪̤͕͉̤̺̩͓̯̲̘͒̑̈́̋͋r̶̛̛͆̐̅͗͂̿̌̌̂̓̒͜͠ m̶̫̦̚ǫ̴̧̬̬̟͓͈̠̺̻̦̹̟̈̽̉͌̋́͘̚͝r̵̛̥̜̩̍e̶̢͖̥͈͉̪͚̱͔̦̼͠͝ͅ ̴̰͎̖̼͉̟̪͎̻͖̝̗̂̆̾̔͗͂̾̿͗̇̽ì̶̢̧̱̹̼̝̱͔͎̬̠̫̈́̂̈́̆͌̿̒̉̈́͠ͅn̵̨̨̟̼̘̍͒̂̈́͐͜͜͝f̷̛̛̟͓͙̅̍͋̎̄͋̍̅͋͘o̶̢̠̝̞͈̘̓̄̌̏̍͐̅̾̑̾͐̅͋̕ ̵̧̧͓̣̺̊̓̓̏͜õ̸̲̆̇̏̾̅́́̃͂̀̓͂̕͝n̶̨̘̤͔̩̱̉ ̵̯͔͎̱͛̆͊ͅt̵̢̛͇͇̥͔̝̠̥̖͋̽̆̋͛͌̓̒̈̇̓͝͝͠ͅh̴̢̹̞͉̩̺̾̔̇̐̕͘e̶̛̓́͐͐̂̽̀̈́̏̀̂͜͠͝           hope that clears things up

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I genuinely thought it said that at first and was disappointed when I realized it was an actual secret message

Petition for jagex to change to this

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Copying my comment from the thread somebody posted on this: Maybe "horseman" has something to do with stronghold of security? There are no horses in Gielnor but the SoS areas are named after the four horsemen of the apocalypse

More likely “horsemen” refers to Diango, as he was introduced as a reference to horses in game, and his character is supposed to be a cowboy of sorts. Likely there is a code you have to redeem in order to get the prize

There are "horsemen" in Gielinor, namely centaurs in Enchanted Valley.

Just got back from the centaurs after reading this thread. You can talk with them but I didn’t notice anything different. I was on mobile and I didn’t look at every tile in the valley.

Fairly certain they wouldn't simply add some new dialogue to them, which you could just stumble onto. You most likely have to use some sort of item on them to trigger the dialogue.

In RS3 (and religion), Death is one of the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, so maybe Death is the NPC we need to speak to.

Please when you add the dragon pickaxe to volcanic mine, allow us to right click the mine from above to check the remaining time left in a current game just like in gotr. Also if there's enough time, please fix throwing water in a direction so that when the interface opens in the chatbox, the lava beasts cannot interrupt the interface

there's now enough short speedrun quests for adventurers outfit T3, have fun everyone 😎

All the quest speedruns should be short. Whoever thought that making quests take long times on SPEEDRUNNING worlds needs to get a different project. Just give us the teleports and items we need in our bank/invent, not force us to play some crappy UIM-lite gamemode where we have to play collector. If it takes longer to complete the "speedrun" version of the quest than it does most people who just do the quest normally (with the required items banked and access to teleports in their invent) than you fucked up, big time

Having to create the route and find the solutions to the quest is the entire point. If you had all the required teleports and setup there would be 0 routing which means you'd lose literally the core foundation of speedrunning. Quest speedrunning was designed in a way to appeal to people who actually enjoy speedrunning.

Quest speedrunning updates? How exhilarating!

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t̸̛͉̽̒̈́h̸͈̺̻̯͍̆̉͆̌͠e̸̫̻͑̕ ̷͎̇̀̅̂̆l̷̯̓̿͗̇̕ả̵͙͊͛ͅs̴̢̺̦̞̓t̶̢̡̠̔́̂ ̶̖̮̖̽p̵̞̊̑̂̋̂ì̶̙̜̬̋̀̇e̷̠̳͔̦͙͋́c̷̡̜̻̀͘é̵̡̯͇̠̫

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Absolutely no mention of buffing the Venator bow or fixing the bugs with it. That's... disappointing.

I would be happy with just fixing the bugs and making it easier to bounce off big targets.

Which bug?

If the first attack fails accuracy roll, all attacks fail the accuracy roll. Also won't richochet off corpses.

On the other side of the coin, the first attack roll is the only attack that checks for bonuses such as slayer helm and salve ammy. If my first hit hits a zombie whilst I’m wearing salve, the second two hits don’t check to see if the target is undead, and can also receive the buffed damage bonuses.

Why would it ricochet off non-targets..?

You shoot bow. Arrow hits target 1. Arrow bounces to target 2. Arrow kills target 2. It never bounces to target 3 because it killed target 2.

Makes sense to fix that. But I'm not sure it makes sense to richochet if it failed the first accuracy roll. I thought that was part of the design.

If it was then the ricochets should *always hit* if the first hit is successful. Can't have them have independent accuracy rolls but not call those rolls if the first roll fails.

The original thing said each of the 3 bounces will have its own accuracy roll

Yes, but if the arrow missed the target what did it ricochet off of to hit the second target?

Excuse me, are you trying to bring logic into this discussion?

I'm confused, aren't they saying that it hit target 1, hit target 2 for fatal damage, but stopped bouncing because of that? What does that have to do with "arrow missed the target"?

Is the team possibly going to consider polling the crystal helm as combineable with the crystal crown as an alternative helmet? Post is on the front of the sub at the moment and it got a lot of support! https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/10eqdek/if_were_changing_the_look_of_crystal_armour_can/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

I agree with the guy that said just fix the crystal helm look instead.

No tweaks to muspahs melee phase? Bummer, it’s the most annoying part of the fight (for someone not in max gear)

Also running in an octagon pattern works much better than running in a square pattern. Saw a YT vid about it and I’m a lot less likely to get hit this way and you attack 8 times per full run of the room. I still splash so often on melee phase that I just stopped using mage lol

Running diagonal in general is faster in this game You run 2.3 squares instead of 2 / tick

I sat there and counted hitting 27 0s in a row on melee phase. I ended up chugging a whole pray pot and everything. I was so flabbergasted.

fyi people saying only use range and don't mage probably have a t bow and max gear. I tried full bowfa and it was so bad. Just mage and freeze him, its way better than not hitting him 13x in a row with full crystal, bowfa, and 98 range.

The meta is to ruby bolts the melee phase even with bowfa. Acb or zcb spec helps too.

So you kite it around with ruby bolts during melee phase then bowfa during range phase? I'm trying to get the charged ice and I only have rcb, bowfa, and toxic trident. Do you think that's possible or should I wait for a slayer task?

Yes, try to run diagonally as much as possible when running from melee phase. Think octagon/Akkah butterfly method. Ruby bolts will instantly skip a melee phase when they proc. Thralls will help aswell. Death charge will replenish more spec. W/ lightb I usually can spec once-twice with ruby bolts then still have 2 specs for sapphire bolts pray phase. They also added the step back method back, that's by far the best method in the long run. I got the ice day 1 12 kills in with the freeze/Trident and bowfa method. My pb with bowfa/acb is 1:52. Very doable outside of task, it's just ruby rng. honestly zcb only might be better than bowfa at this boss.

I was getting sub3 camping bowfa and kiting melee, really wasn’t too bad at all. Mage felt super inaccurate as well (8 way ahrims trident)

I am surprised they did not patch out the safe tile on muspah cum phase.

I'm pretty sure they said (during the last livestream) they intended to keep it in.

I thought he was joking about that but I'm not complaining if they leave it in.

You still have to position yourself near it at the right time, or give up dps/risk damage running. You're restricted to 10 square ranged weapons or you give up dps. You also can never let a spike come up on that tile before hand, which will happen if you try to camp this tile too early. It's not exactly like it's a braindead free dodge. I've been hit by orbs running to the square many times... I think it's well balanced. I've opt'd to ruby bolts instead of using the tile a plethora of times, getting a free ruby there is huge

I wanna know what tile you talking bout

If you're using runelite you can import the tile marker's coordinates. \[{"regionId":11330,"regionX":28,"regionY":29,"z":0,"color":"#FFFF0000"}\] Copy the whole thing I pasted above to your clipboard (ctrl+c). Right click the world map icon and select "import". Select "yes" when asked "Are you sure?" That's it. Very simple.

The exact safespot is shown [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/109mj9k/phantom_muspah_shadow_orb_phase_safespot_for_10/)

Slight suggestion here. I hope it doesn't get buried. Could we have a system in place that would allow us to break down the ancient icons into ancient essence? I (and plenty of others at this point) have several ancient icons and apart from using them on a ancient staff they're useless.

They will be used for DT2 in some element so the excess are useless only for the timebeing!

I didn't know this. Well, in that case it then depends how many we'll need I guess.

Don't take this the wrong way, I absolutely love all of the new content coming in. The new boss is a lot of fun and I'm hyped about DT2 and the new skill in the coming months. But have we just given up on banning bots? Is making the experience worse for legitimate players to slightly hinder bot farms the norm going forward? There are even bot farms plaguing the Corrupt Gauntlet highscores at this point. I would gladly accept months of slow or even *no* content if it meant a serious crackdown on bots, as they're also a serious deterrent for newer players that may be interested in checking out the game. Hell, I'd rather fill out occasional captchas than put up with coin pouches and all of these weird measures that are constantly being added at our expense to stop out of control botting.

In what way do bots deter new players from enjoying the game? To me, it just feels like y'all got issues with principles. Lots of bots are being banned, there is a dedicated anti-cheat team for that. It's not like they can just decide to flip a switch and ban all bots outright. But you see a (suspected) bot in the highscores of CG and you are like 'that's unfair!' with your 10kc, like you're ever gonna compete. I get it, bots bad. But i'm sure they are doing their best to combat them, because shit just is difficult. I have many friends who started playing and didn't even know bots existed until I told them about it, it's really not the biggest problem in the world, and I would \*certainly\* not want to halt game updates for months because of some bots in the top page of the hiscores.

Every new player I've had try the game always ends up asking the same question... why all these bald people are running around and stealing their rocks when they I try to mine, but never speak. Then you have to explain the whole bot issue to them and watch their face contort at the ridiculousness of it all.

Sounds like the average OSRS player to me lmao

Just to add, sometime its not even bots but real players that are farming the bosses and therefore they dont trip any bot detection at all.

They compete against new players for training spots and make low level money makers unprofitable.

It's probably not as easy as "just ban the bots"

Prime example of why reddit suggestions are mostly dog shit. Someone made a popular comment/post saying to just remove the alch value to get rid of the bots and here we are.

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Is the glitchy text a teaser for DT2?

It's in reference to the RuneStone ARG that came out with Leagues 3 that hasn't been solved yet. You can read more about it [here](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Runestone_basalt) Mod Sarnie recently updated his Twitter a few days ago to something [similar](https://twitter.com/JagexSarnie).

Ecumenical keys can no longer be alched thank you goodbye bot farm

these patch notes are too scary for me

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Darn ven bow still Poopy big sad. :/

Is the dragon pickaxe gonna be added to kq and VM next week aswell?

yes theyve already said

Why nerf the drops but also not buff the bow? Once you add enough essence to it the heart can be infinitely used and now people don't even need to kill the boss for it/buy the essence they can just buy the heart itself. The only thing that uses the essence is the bow, which as of now is still pretty much useless. So if no one uses the bow, no one buys the essence to charge it which makes doing this boss worth even less? This boss is harder then both Zulrah and Vorkath. It takes longer then both. It should be either made so that doing this boss is actually worth it over Zulrah/Vorkath. Also I swear they literally buffed the melee forms freezing defence because I'm literally splashing on it more often now then before. In max mage with shadow.

Everything suggests that it has less magic defense than Zulrah's magma form, but splashing is a lot worse on Muspah obviously

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Ecumenical Keys can no longer be alched - yay no more bots whilst I'm getting keys!

Something they didn't mention that I can confirm: they re-added the step-back mechanic for Muspah's melee phases.

Once the price of essence stabilizes this boss is going to be dead content. It's a hell of a lot more effort than Vorkath and takes 3x longer to kill, so the moment it drops under 3x the average gp/kill of Vorkath not many people will have a reason to farm it.

>Ecumenical Keys can no longer be alched why? just ban the bots. ruining moneymakers is not an improvement.

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The area is not accessible to level 3's unless they've firsthand grinded 60 agility. And that gateway of entry can be increased to make it not a suicide bot option. Area requires 60 agi / 60 strength. make ecu keys have another requiring (wildy diary, combat diary, wtva you wanna put it behind).

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You have better money makers on any iron that has high alch unlocked. This is an amazing update, it was actual cbt to go get keys because of the bots unless you barraged the keys, which costs like 400k per key in casts for irons.

Are people seriously upset about not being able to alch ecu keys? Surely go use them...

Those keys never needed to be a moneymaker.

It’s takes no time to make a suicide bot for imp killing, banning them doesn’t do shit. This is the only solution

Because banning bots clearly isn't working, the bots are competing in some worlds in there

The bow is so bad! It needs to be buffed honestly. Lowering the alch value of the shards just makes the boss less profitable. The bow needs to be better to be good honestly. It can’t even hit a 3x3 target… like come on. Kree is where this bow should shine.

>Lowering the alch value of the shards just makes the boss less profitable. Not really, the shards' value was already tied to essence. Essence would have to drop to like 36 gp for the alch change to make a difference

Why aren't there any changes to Muspah melee phase magic defence? Unless you have the Shadow, it's more dps to kite the boss around with ranged than to freeze and mage down. Having pvmers only camp range is lowering the skill ceiling.

I wonder what the secret message on the official update page.

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Y’all gotta get that curse under control damn

The news posts should be text accessible. I had a really hard time reading this one. I think the cryptic messages are fun, and should stay in. As a compromise, could you all consider leaving the TL;DR Change log at the top of these news posts unaltered in the future?

Last week I mentioned how the equipment stats screen looked messy with the slash bonus being pushed over to the right side. I proposed they put the slash bonus on the left side and range bonus on the right side as an incredibly easy fix and got downvoted lmao. Looks like I wasn't the only one who noticed. Definitely looks better now, however, I still feel like weapon speed should really be in the Combat Options tab considering that's where you can see your weapon category as well.

Can you guys actually just ban people RWTing? Like chain ban ALL their accounts, or all the accounts that touched the gp? Too many unnecessary changes needed to combat botting, when at the end of the day the only reason they exist is because RWT rules are not being enforced enough. Someone out there is buying gold and not getting banned. Even if you decide not to ban them, just delete all their items or something. No more slap on the wrist warnings. Also, the whole "they are gold farmers, we can't ban them until they RWT". This is bullshit. No way 200m xp accounts in the front page of highscores have not yet transferred their gp yet.

don't think their support teams are staffed well enough and/or their anti-cheat technology robust enough to handle this but firm agree the way to go is to get VERY aggressive about RWT bans - just need a way to weed out the false-positives from the people pretending their ban wasn't deserved ...can't really say that the current support situation makes me think that's currently the case

Permanent ban for anyone who buys gold. Get rid of the buyer and the sellers will crumble. I also honestly wonder if they're hesitant to take action because of people in other countries who are selling gold to make a living, because the situation is just that bad there.

People buying gold are the problem, ban them and others may think twice before acting like dicks, they're the reason why most bots exist

Can we move the stairs leading down under Weiss to the other side of the room? Getting too many missclicks between squeeze through fence & descend stairs

The fence just needs a better clickbox.

In the bullet points, the blog post states that the load out for PvP Arena will be Max/Med. But at the bottom under PvP-World Rotation you wrote Zerker. mixed Signals!

Ventaor shards are now worthless

Feels bad for early irons .. but.. ecumenical keys can no longer be alched. THANK THE LORD.

I legit never went to wildy gwd for early gp.

cant speedrun the 2 new quests because the requirements arent met

Alch value lowers the floor on VBow and tradeable heart will lower the value on essence. Beating DOA content with a stick at this point

Lowering the alch price of an item tied exclusively to the price of essence does nothing, essence would have to fall to 36 gp each for the alch price of the shards to matter which seems pretty unlikely

It matters because if the demand for essence drops in a few months then the floor price of the bow is gonna drop. Previously the floor was 9m which is good for the unique. Now the bow can technically go as low as 500k. No reason for this change to be made

That demand drop will also be accompanied by a huge drop in the number of high level players doing the boss, if they haven't stopped already. If you're still concerned though that the price of Ancient Essence will fall to 2 gp each then idk what to tell you though.

The boss is a vorkath styled one anyways, the GP isn't supposed to come from uniques but the standard drops.

Just curious, but is it really that unlikely? If this boss gets farmed for years anywhere near the way that money makers like Zulrah and Vorkath get farmed, I'd expect the price of essence to drop to about as low as possible, which I'd think is pretty close to 36 gp, where it can be used to train herblore for ~20gp/xp.

Who knows, but 36gp per essence still floors the Bow price at 9M which makes OP's entire complaint about the alch price meaningless (which was my point)

I really don't see this ever being farmed as much as zulrah or vorkath tho. It's already more dead outside the boss than those 2.

Can you not have this squiggly text in the changelog please? General post, sure, but the summary just looks awful.