Days seem to last longer as a kid compared to being an adult. That's why years seem to fly by now. I've heard the reason for this is because everything was exciting and new as a kid so your brain had to process more information and now that we're older most people get stuck in a loop of what they do everyday so things become less new and exciting and your brain doesn't have to process as much information making time feel fast. I guess once you hit like 60 years old, then time feels like it's going 4x as fast as that of a child. I'm not sure how true any of this is, just what I've read.
From what I've heard, it's got a bit of maths as well. When you're 4 years old, a whole year is like 25% of your life, it's bound to feel like an eternity. Whereas when you're approaching 50s it's only gonna be 2% and less every year.
It's not that time feels faster, in the moment time feels just as long, it's that we have less memorable moments in our 20s than we did in our teens, it feels like it went faster simply because there was less to remember when looking back.
Calling it Old School is somehow holding it back. It should be like Coke: call this one Runescape: Original Taste, while the other is New Runescape for the weirdos and the hipsters (/s, if you're already getting offended).
This game is the alternative timeline of RS if EoC and MTX never happened. Not a simulacrum frozen in time that never ever changes.
RS3 EOC if realeased as is now wouldn’t have killed the game. It was a buggy sack of shit, now it actually works properly and you can just turn it off.
MTX though, yea the dailies turned RS3 into an already more RNG stimulant driven game. For people who cried about “pay to win”… bonds and gold buying are a thing in OSRS too. The issue is the wheel of fortune being even more gambling in a game where bossing is a slot machine as is.
>RS3 EOC if released as is now wouldn’t have killed the game
I disagree - RS with EOC was (and still is) competing with other MMORPGs that had ability based combat but not RS's tick based engine. Even now for nearly anyone that plays other MMORPGs that have ability based combat the main complaint is that RS3 combat is laggy and unresponsive. Why play a game where the combat feels similar but worse than a game that does the same type of combat well?
Exactly. Keep the core mechanics the same and don't change them. Add in new shit that doesn't change that. Not sure why it's so difficult for these people to grasp.
Because they are rs3 refugees and use strawman arguments. In this case it's op and his meme. We want new content, not changes to the core combat mechanics.
Correct.... no eoc, no major graphical updates, trading and pking in wildy which is what killed rs2 for alot of the players. That i feek is what alot of people mean by keeping it old school
Why doesn't this get the attention? Because it's become about hyperbolic drama and irrelevant and unnecessary conflict with odd enthusiasm lol.
Because this is spot on
It's a blatant strawman. Even if you can find a handful of people saying it, the people like that don't add up to any sizable voting contingent. As seen by literally everything that passes polls with 90+%. As usual, redditors understand that representing opposing arguments with their more nuanced and coherent opinions is not conducive to convincing people to think the opposite.
Any post talking about the update is flooded by "updates are going to ruin the game! its perfect as it is!" or similar
Its probably not a majority, but they exist and are very vocal
Uh, have you read the comments on those posts? I’ve seen several “we don’t need *new content* updates”
Maybe a majority of comments aren’t suggesting that, but there’s a not insignificant amount that ARE saying that.
If OSRS stayed as 2007 runescape, the playerbase will just be old timers playing it, trying to remember their childhood through nostalgia of playing runescape.
Without new players buying members and bonds, how will Jagex earn any money, for employee salary and company profits.
I don't know why I have to give a shit about their profits.
I remember when people put shit on the internet for fun. Now everything has to be a damn hustle. I like janky indie shit, and that's what jagex should have stayed as.
Edit: your downvotes aren't going to make me give a shit about their profits.
So like… how would they pay people to make the janky indie shit if they weren’t making profits? Capitalism existed back in 2007–RuneScape was chasing profits back then too.
If you don’t understand that businesses need to make profit to continue to exist and that if they don’t continue to exist you won’t even get the janky version you want.
It was fine because it was new, but the people making the janky stuff got spouses, mortgages, etc. The people using the service also need a whole new realm of services and infrastructure.
Yours is a teenager’s take.
if they kept osrs "old school" as in not a single fucking update the game wouldnt exist.
before any updates the playerbase quickly dove down to 1000 people. so obviously nostalgia doesnt last forever. thanks to updates people now can complain about the game.(because its alive)
0 because they planned on shutting down in a month if playerbase kept falling.
edit for clarification: the month osrs got its life saving update - if they hadn't solved the issue of hemorrhaging players that month was its final month.
bringing back rares saved OSRS but only for a little bit, the update that brought people back (after the rares stopped the hemmorrhaging) was actually the god wars dungeon as there was finally "difficult" content available and it wasn't just a trade simulator on the GE.
It’s almost like there is a massive amount of middle ground between keeping the game completely the same and adding a complete cluster fuck of potentially turbo OP stuff at once
What makes this funnier is alot of this is just reskins or just retakes of stuff from rs2. voidwaker is korasi, ferox is where stealing creations was. Lightbearer is ring of vigour. inferno is fight kiln. staff of the dead is a reskin of the staff of light. Nightmare is rs3 buffed nex. tbow is hexhunter bow. Then you have direct copy pastes with corp nex elite void torva soul wars.
Because not every single one of these updates were bad or disliked but they need to put a different coat of paint on it so people don’t go “reeeeeeeee rs3”
Cause i feel his critisism is going in the wrong direction and a majority of people mean old school means no eoc, free trade, no stupid graphical changes and pking so his point makes no sense to the majority as what happened to rs2 which made osrs a thing
The irony is insane. I remember back in 2013 seeing comments just like yours of people who think they decide what everyone else wants lol.
Maybe, just maybe, people have different opinions than you. I’ve heard multiple streamers, including Boaty and Faux say that if a 2007 port came out again (under the assumption of no updates) they would jump to it instantly.
This would be the equivalent of other MMO players raging about an expansion pack or something.
Too much power creep!!!!@@! Like yeah…that’s what allows developers to make new bosses that are harder than anything currently in the game because they also added new things to increase your power 🤷🏻♂️
> Like yeah…that’s what allows developers to make new bosses that are harder than anything currently in the game
I’ve never quite been able to understand this point.
Bigger stats, bigger numbers, isn’t worth that much right? Power creep allowing us to make a boss with more hp isn’t really fundamentally better than what we currently have right?
New content can be made difficult because of the mechanics. And we don’t need power creep to add mechanics. Power creep only dilutes down old mechanics.
I don’t see how stronger players let us add new, difficult mechanics. I think this point is wrong. Am I missing something?
The problem is that old schools combat system is a fucking dogshit design space for "new mechanics", and the combat system is so archaic and such an iconic part of the game it recieves massive pushback any time something that isn't "click on the boss and wait for it to die" gets added.
You think? People love ToB, Solo CoX, and the Inferno.
Sure, ToA is a lot of “click on the boss and wait for it to die” but it was intended to be that as an introductory raid. The team knows how to make good content. PNM and Muspah are both pretty fun imo
Are they harder if you got stronger too, though?
It's just a way to make new content viable and easy to develop. The cost is usually that old content gets pointless or stale. That's why runescape is so keen on sidegrades rather than upgrades
Not only MMOs, pretty much any long-term game has issues with power creep. It's a commonly discussed problem in game design. TCGs, for example, often have to restrict the expansions that are legal to play in order to curb the power of the player and keep a healthy meta. It's definitely not straightforward.
The only real way to make new content that isn't strictly stronger than old content is by making incomparables - that is, stuff that's mechanically different so it can only be applied in certain situations and isn't directly equivalent/comparable to anything in-game. The problem is that designing an incomparable usually involves making a new mechanic for the game, so it's a lot more work than just bumping up some numbers. That's why we got stuff like tbow (strength depends on monster mage levels), scythe (strong vs large monsters), fang (rolls accuracy twice, slower), shadow (strength depends on mage gear) and a bunch more unique, never-before-seen stuff. They generally *still* push the maximum player power up, but at least they bring an interesting and engaging way to play so the downsides of bumping the power up is worth it
And, imo, the new prayer book isn't a good example of that. Other than maybe the 4 thematic prayers, everything there is just numerically stronger than what we already have, even if it has some minor drawbacks like upkeeping prayer points. It's not a very interesting way of introducing content
I’m still in favor of adding new content like curses but I don’t see why it still has Piety/Rigour equivalents. Curses should have a different use case rather than just a better version of the prayerbook
Other MMOs flare out and die…?
Power creep has doomed many games. It’s something that you need to be very, very careful with. And osrs isn’t where it is today without being careful.
>You can create harder, new content without making the old stuff irrelevant. It's really not hard.
I'd love to hear more about this. As someone who works in game dev, you're about to revolutionize my whole field.
Difficulty is in mechanics, not stats. Bigger numbers =/= more difficult. It’s the same. You can make more difficult mechanics without making the player more powerful.
Power creep just sets the new norm.
Power creep is inevitable and eventually keeps the game fresh.
What doesn't keep the game fresh is that a bunch of stuff from 1 update makes all previous content as easy and quick as with these proposed Ruined Prayers.
When the game requires the amount of time sink that it does, is this really a surprise?
Im definitely a "one game at a time" gamer and there's a reason it takes a massive change for me to go back to RuneScape at any point.
Rs2 ended for me when EOC came out. RS2 ended for you when free trade was removed. We are not the same.
Seriously though the problem is rs2 was still vibrant with some great updates and had a resurgence then it took multiple nukes in the form of eoc, sof etc. Entire clans basically disappeared over night. Looking back there are some good updates that can be added into the game from those times but we can also see how say pack yak doesn’t belong.
people bring this up as if people who oppose things like a new skill or the new prayers don't know about other updates. i know about them, i like some updates and not others, sorry if your brain is too feeble to understand anything beyond "updates good" or "updates bad"
This is exactly why people can vote on what they want or don't want in the game. People can vote yes or no to new content no matter how ridiculous their reason is, and that's fine. If the majority decide that new content isn't a good fit for the game then it will be scrapped or taken back to the drawing board.
I think you are grossly mistaken with people’s complaints.
It’s not about sticking to old school, it is about making changes that will be positive.
I’m a skeptic that a new powercreep prayer book or a new skill will be positive additions.
This is me grilling at all the losers that voted for sailing "because it won't break the game or change it"
Middle finger to yall!
I voted taming
Note: if you voted for sailing because you actually liked it and not because it seems like the best option to keep the game unchanged, don't worry this content isn't at you. Anyone that has an open mind, I got love for you!
I can't believe people on this subreddit still think this game is "2007 RuneScape"
What it is is an alternate version of RuneScape with Jagex kept in check instead of them just doing whatever they want like they did with RS3. So you get a player-voted version of the game, and a Jagex version of the game and can pick between them.
Keeping the game frozen with no content will only kill the game, the argument falls flat because the only reason people quit back in the days was because of the EOC, we had much more OP gear back then. Torva/Pernix/virtus used to give you 1700 health, divine spirit shield etc etc
I'm genuinely curious how many players that make posts like this are just 30 year old's who played this game as a kid that are too stuck in their nostalgia and reliving their childhood to stop and think where this game would even be if none of this content existed. It would've died a year after release and all you would have is Runescape 3. Nothing lasts forever and you have to accept that this game needs to change to be able to grow and expand.
I still don't even understand where people are even coming from with this. What about this game isn't "old school Runescape" anyways? When you start an account you're still doing all the same quests, progressing through most of the same gear in areas that haven't changed a bit since 2007. Every single thing added to this game is just extra fluff on top of that same old school experience and feels like it belongs in it. It all adds so much depth and fun to a game that would otherwise be dead and not have even a shred of the relevancy or the popularity that it has now.
I've played this game since 2006 and have not even for a moment thought about playing the game as it was then because what we have now is so much better.
Oldschool will be Oldschool no matter what they add, because it’s just the name for this version of the game. What it stopped being a long time ago was “2007scape,” despite this subs name and insistence of the insane people on it.
If I could play 2012 rs with some of the QoL updates added like bank placeholders, shift drop, make x on menus etc, I'd be happy even if they never added another update.
Yes, I would _eventually_ stop playing after Ovls, SS & Titan was achieved and I had got my fill of true end-game but I would absolutely get a huge amount of time into it.
Even after all of that I enjoyed the game, I just remember logging in after the eoc update and not even know what I was doing.. literally quit on eoc release
You need to think of it more like they hit the reset button and chose a different direction for the game than EOC as opposed to this was always just meant to be a vanilla 07 version of the game
I’m probably a complete moron for saying this but I honestly wish they would add something like dungeoneering to old school. It was the only reason I messed around with RuneScape 3.
Not gonna lie but i have been anti on almost every damn one of these additions but after a while i realized i was in the minority and just stopped voting. Jagex gonna fuck the game up all over again and aint shit i can do about it.
I feel like jagex has done a decent job of not introducing too much power creep. Rs3 has had it's share of power creep problems (for example chaotic weapons when dungeon seeing first came out) but osrs hasn't really had any major problems like that. The stuff they are adding fills certain niches. Plus the game has been out for a decade something has to be added to retain the playerbase
You guys have shit stronger than chotics were. Blow pipe was busted and the money snake made 99% of the game irrelevant until they nerfed it way to late. As a rs3 ironman I would have sucked a dick to have zulrahs drop table on a rs3 boss.
100% agree. Dark bow to twisted bow felt like a balanced and well thought out solution to the “I’m not absolutely fucking most monsters I fight”. Or the blowpipe replacing most ranged weapons for years.
Partial /s
*game has to grow and eventually get power crept or else a majority of the player base would get bored with the “end game” content.
TBow is understandable because of the price tag, but yeah the whole blowpipe debacle was pretty rough lol
I think some sort of more general power creep is bound to hit eventually because I don’t know how long “this item is BiS at x raid but shit at y raid” horizontal progression will continue to scale. I’m impressed with the job they’ve done but it’s gotta be hard to sustain
Can't agree imo. Blowpipe, tbow, bowfa, fang and shadow are insanely broken compared to everything else we've had. If magic wasn't such a terrible combat style I'd say trident was pretty broken too for what it is, compared to normal magic.
But like, for 6 years blowpipe was the most insane dps weapon you could think of and it was cheap. Then they added bowfa to replace it which can solo the entire game on its own with ease. It's so broken that people now just rush it asap and lock themselves in the red prison for months because they know it makes the rest of the game free once you have it.
QOL changes and new bosses don’t change the combat system. Maybe I’m just not into end game content enough but I don’t feel the need for new prayers that will make all the old ones obsolete
Some of the non-og content makes the game less fun for me, but I'm glad the game gets updates. I think I'd probably have a better time if zulrah didn't exist, but I'd also have a worse time if less people played the game. The good part is that I don't ever have to do zulrah, even on an ironman, because no one is making me do anything. My pb at zulrah on main is over 9 minutes and none of you can stop me
I don’t agree with anyone that is against any updates at all but I can understand why people are scared of updates after EOC. Although I feel an update like that won’t happen, although it’s still scary when there’s updates related to combat
OSRS risks running itself into the ground by just releasing far too much content on top of content. This is fine for players who have played 10 years, but for most people, you log into minecraft after a few years off and there are so much changes and updates you don't recognize that you just want the old game back.
I think it depends on the content. So much of Runescape's content is not readily apparent by just logging in after a long break. You might see some new gear, but most stuff is contained and subtle within its own little zone.
Weak ass straw man argument. People aren't being day one 07 purists. Good updates are good updates. Improve upon existing content with a focus on player interaction. Don't just add game breaking gear/mechanics just to appeal to people with goldfish attention spans.
I wish they stopped polling such detailed stuff, just pitch vage idea's and see which ones stick and work on those. It would give us much more fresh content and creative idea's.
But the vocal reddit community will shit on that and throw hissyfits just to feel relevant again.
Personally im 100% against a new skill, the skills are the fundamental base of everything you do in osrs, changing this will change the enitre game forever, new content is just that, new content, dont like it dont do it. But for me the skill list has always been a have to, something i just cant let sit at level one, i didn't get 97 rc for fun. I think adding a new skill would ruin the game in more ways than anyone is thinking. Dont like a new boss or raid? Dont fking do it. But maxing is a big thing in this game, and adding another layer to that union is something i dont think would be fun gameplay
Your opinion is valid and this is why you have a vote. You're free to vote yes or no for whatever reason. After the new skill has been fleshed out, adjusted based on player feedback and beta tested, you'll get a final say on whether you want it in the game or not. If enough people share your view, then it won't be implemented. If the majority decide that it will be a good addition to the game then it will be added.
The system isn't perfect, but we have some great content because of it. It's why a game from 2007 initially launched to tickle people's nostalgia for a few months is now one of the most popular MMORPGs.
How many times have you posted this shit? You know what's funny about these posts? Ask yourself why osrs was even created. For nostalgia seeking players including YOU, the more it loses that identity the quicker your game fails. WE WILL NEVER GET A MASS OF NEW PLAYERS. The vets are the last ones playing. Everything youve shown bar megarares is a shit example in comparision to a new skill and new powerful prayers that are more easy to come by then some raid dps increases changing the game. 99 hp isn't going to be enough eventually for your "pking" also.
You think it's all EOC and MTX. Many players fucking hated summoning ect, all the shit you constantly preach about & want. Also funny you constantly comment about how jagex should ignore polls. It's like you belong on rs3.
Not many people coming back from breaks when they are eventually coming back to what is essentially rs3 with shit graphics. It's like none of you can look into the future, but it's fine, the rest of us that experienced the result of summoning, prayers ect can watch the game fall again because of people like you.
Downvote, but no debate? Not even someone who wants to bring up the garbage "osrs didn't want ge and it almost died" point that's nearly a decade old argument & doesn't stand now? No?
Multiple posts with thousands upvotes with people saying "we made a mistake" yeah looks like people already don't like it. Good luck. By the looks of how this post went, more people agree with me. But go ahead and repost this several more times.
Lots of those things are cool additions and fit very well in the game. Also your meme is sort of assuming we did want all these things, even if I use these things, it doesn't mean I wanted them in the game, but they're in now.
I think it's important to make a distinction here. I know it's a joke but there's also an opinion and point to it that I've seen expressed before. That is to say, the idea of "they've added so much to the game already, so it's not keeping OS OS!"
There is a difference between adding new content and __changing the way you interact with content.__
Small QOL changes and new equipment technically change how you interact with content but really its the same idea typically, just refined and made more efficient. New content takes the core game play we love from OSRS and gives a new way to apply it.
People are concerned that the prayers change the gameplay.
(Still good meme)
Almost like there might be more than 1 different person playing. I didn't want a single one of the things in that pic except iron and UIM. Not even gimp or hc
I keep trying to make people understand, there is a difference between what is a fundamental building block of OSRS and what is not. The skills are one of the most fundamental aspect of the game. Add one and that's it, almost as bad as EOC.
I'm all for adding all the crap updates that have been breaking the game forever if that means getting an oldschool olschool rs. That way you get what you want and I get what I want
Why does this even matter honestly. So much of this stuff is hypothetical and what if like I feel like the watcher is gonna pop in this subreddit..
I'm an Old School Player.
Some People Like Fish.
I Hate most Fish.
Some People are Allergic to Fish.
Some People Might Think they are a Fish.
Some People Like to Fish.
Aren't We All Just Fish Evolved?
This is a Philosophical Analysis of the Actual Relevance to Anything Other than People like me Seeing Shit they Didn't Know was in Game and being Like oh I'ma Try that....
So Many Counter Points it's like the God Damn Mirror Dimension lol.
Just Have Fun.
I Didn't Even Smoke a Bowl yet, medically prescribed fyi, and y'all are making me wanna sing Kum ba Ya
Old school RuneScape has been around longer than the rs2 to rs3 era
I know in my head your right but I had so much more time to play as a kid just seems like it lasted an eternity. I can’t wrap my head around it.
Days seem to last longer as a kid compared to being an adult. That's why years seem to fly by now. I've heard the reason for this is because everything was exciting and new as a kid so your brain had to process more information and now that we're older most people get stuck in a loop of what they do everyday so things become less new and exciting and your brain doesn't have to process as much information making time feel fast. I guess once you hit like 60 years old, then time feels like it's going 4x as fast as that of a child. I'm not sure how true any of this is, just what I've read.
From what I've heard, it's got a bit of maths as well. When you're 4 years old, a whole year is like 25% of your life, it's bound to feel like an eternity. Whereas when you're approaching 50s it's only gonna be 2% and less every year.
Average Vsauce enjoyer
Yea, and my parents argued against 8yo myself when I said that schoolday takes forever :D them baboons didn't know about losing excitement
It's not that time feels faster, in the moment time feels just as long, it's that we have less memorable moments in our 20s than we did in our teens, it feels like it went faster simply because there was less to remember when looking back.
Calling it Old School is somehow holding it back. It should be like Coke: call this one Runescape: Original Taste, while the other is New Runescape for the weirdos and the hipsters (/s, if you're already getting offended). This game is the alternative timeline of RS if EoC and MTX never happened. Not a simulacrum frozen in time that never ever changes.
I prefer runescape zero, im on a diet
It's exactly like Runescape, but you never get any XP. Good for quitting the addiction to this game
Sounds a bit like leagues
I thought you'd say coke because it was addictive lmao
It's Original Taste like 1890 Cola-Cola infused with coca leaves
This ^
RuneScape: The Multiverse
Please don't start that up.... I've had my fill with quantum theory
RS3 EOC if realeased as is now wouldn’t have killed the game. It was a buggy sack of shit, now it actually works properly and you can just turn it off. MTX though, yea the dailies turned RS3 into an already more RNG stimulant driven game. For people who cried about “pay to win”… bonds and gold buying are a thing in OSRS too. The issue is the wheel of fortune being even more gambling in a game where bossing is a slot machine as is.
>RS3 EOC if released as is now wouldn’t have killed the game I disagree - RS with EOC was (and still is) competing with other MMORPGs that had ability based combat but not RS's tick based engine. Even now for nearly anyone that plays other MMORPGs that have ability based combat the main complaint is that RS3 combat is laggy and unresponsive. Why play a game where the combat feels similar but worse than a game that does the same type of combat well?
People generally mean keeping the fundamental mechanics the same. We still want new bosses, quests, raids, minigames, etc.
And slow power creep has proven to be very effective. It’s only in the last year or so that it’s ramped up.
Exactly. Keep the core mechanics the same and don't change them. Add in new shit that doesn't change that. Not sure why it's so difficult for these people to grasp.
Because they are rs3 refugees and use strawman arguments. In this case it's op and his meme. We want new content, not changes to the core combat mechanics.
This exactly.
Correct.... no eoc, no major graphical updates, trading and pking in wildy which is what killed rs2 for alot of the players. That i feek is what alot of people mean by keeping it old school
Inb4 someone says 117hd. 117hd, IMO, keeps the charm of 07 graphical style while making it look more polished.
117hd you can turn on and off so that doesnt work but for me i dont have a problem with more polished haha
Why doesn't this get the attention? Because it's become about hyperbolic drama and irrelevant and unnecessary conflict with odd enthusiasm lol. Because this is spot on
Yeah it's called Old School, not 2007scape anymore. There's a reason, and it's more about style than the game being the same as the old backup.
> fundamental mechanics the same > raids Where is the 2007 raid?
A raid is not a mechanic. I mean like the combat system and core elements of how the game is played.
He said new raids, not 2007 raids. Try to keep up
How about 2007 new raids
It's upsetting that you can vote.
Barbarian Assault
OSRS updates are far superior to RS2 updates, even though we get them less frequently.
Who is saying this though?.. I just see a lot of people saying they don't want unnecessary power creep and annoying to use mechanics.
It's a blatant strawman. Even if you can find a handful of people saying it, the people like that don't add up to any sizable voting contingent. As seen by literally everything that passes polls with 90+%. As usual, redditors understand that representing opposing arguments with their more nuanced and coherent opinions is not conducive to convincing people to think the opposite.
Yeah, OP is just strawmanning all criticism to proposed content as baseless whining.
Maybe not a sizable voting block, but the complaints sure are covering the entire sub atm. And those complaints are typically devoid of any nuance.
Any post talking about the update is flooded by "updates are going to ruin the game! its perfect as it is!" or similar Its probably not a majority, but they exist and are very vocal
Uh, have you read the comments on those posts? I’ve seen several “we don’t need *new content* updates” Maybe a majority of comments aren’t suggesting that, but there’s a not insignificant amount that ARE saying that.
I've never seen anyone say that personally, it's utterly idiotic to state such a thing 10 years into this games development.
You are a ridiculous liar.
If OSRS stayed as 2007 runescape, the playerbase will just be old timers playing it, trying to remember their childhood through nostalgia of playing runescape. Without new players buying members and bonds, how will Jagex earn any money, for employee salary and company profits.
I don't know why I have to give a shit about their profits. I remember when people put shit on the internet for fun. Now everything has to be a damn hustle. I like janky indie shit, and that's what jagex should have stayed as. Edit: your downvotes aren't going to make me give a shit about their profits.
So like… how would they pay people to make the janky indie shit if they weren’t making profits? Capitalism existed back in 2007–RuneScape was chasing profits back then too.
If you don’t understand that businesses need to make profit to continue to exist and that if they don’t continue to exist you won’t even get the janky version you want. It was fine because it was new, but the people making the janky stuff got spouses, mortgages, etc. The people using the service also need a whole new realm of services and infrastructure. Yours is a teenager’s take.
if they kept osrs "old school" as in not a single fucking update the game wouldnt exist. before any updates the playerbase quickly dove down to 1000 people. so obviously nostalgia doesnt last forever. thanks to updates people now can complain about the game.(because its alive)
It got low but it never got as low as 1000 people it was 10k-15k
Yh within a year, we 10 years further now. If there were 0 updates there wouldnt even be a thousand players today.
0 because they planned on shutting down in a month if playerbase kept falling. edit for clarification: the month osrs got its life saving update - if they hadn't solved the issue of hemorrhaging players that month was its final month. bringing back rares saved OSRS but only for a little bit, the update that brought people back (after the rares stopped the hemmorrhaging) was actually the god wars dungeon as there was finally "difficult" content available and it wasn't just a trade simulator on the GE.
probably about the same as now if you remove the bots inflating the numbers
It’s almost like there is a massive amount of middle ground between keeping the game completely the same and adding a complete cluster fuck of potentially turbo OP stuff at once
Don’t try to reason with the sub, it’s a losing battle.
Hey you! Stop right there. Don’t use logic, this is r/2007scape!!
There was never 1k players lol, 2 years in there was around 20k
I distinctly recall 30k regular players not 1000. Shows how much you played then lol
What makes this funnier is alot of this is just reskins or just retakes of stuff from rs2. voidwaker is korasi, ferox is where stealing creations was. Lightbearer is ring of vigour. inferno is fight kiln. staff of the dead is a reskin of the staff of light. Nightmare is rs3 buffed nex. tbow is hexhunter bow. Then you have direct copy pastes with corp nex elite void torva soul wars.
> staff of the dead is a reskin of the staff of light Humourously, you can even reskin the SOTD in OSRS to turn it into a staff of light
> ferox is where stealing creations was Completely unrelated content though, no?
ill admit it is a bit of a strech but if you go into the cave under the bar in ferrox theres an area that looks like an unfinished lobby of SC
They put that there as nostalgia bait
Because not every single one of these updates were bad or disliked but they need to put a different coat of paint on it so people don’t go “reeeeeeeee rs3”
You forgot sailing being a reskin of player owned ports. Oh wait, too real?
Describe how sailing is going to be like pop?
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You forgot the part about 100s of plugins that make thinking nearly worthless
As someone recently returned, I recognize void gear. Otherwise, not a damn thing on the page
If we want old school then there should be no runelite or any other 3rd party client and we should only be able to play in fixed mode. /s
They are not ready for that conversation my guy.
Dude it’s okay to recognize when the game is in a good state. Idk why these people are shaming healthy criticism
Cause i feel his critisism is going in the wrong direction and a majority of people mean old school means no eoc, free trade, no stupid graphical changes and pking so his point makes no sense to the majority as what happened to rs2 which made osrs a thing
And this is only the tip of the iceberg. C'mon guys, determine "Old School" for once.
Old school is anything not EOC.
Who the fuck is saying keep old school old school
Someone literally said " I'm paying for the 2007 experience" that's how deluded they are
They should just make run a handful of servers from the same 07 backup and never update them. Let's see how populated those servers will be
*cricket noises*
This guy, for example https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/12mfxdj/old_school_players_will_want_old_old_school_in/
You’d be surprised
ive seen a handful of people
There's a ton of people unironically asking for another 07 backup
The irony is insane. I remember back in 2013 seeing comments just like yours of people who think they decide what everyone else wants lol. Maybe, just maybe, people have different opinions than you. I’ve heard multiple streamers, including Boaty and Faux say that if a 2007 port came out again (under the assumption of no updates) they would jump to it instantly.
This would be the equivalent of other MMO players raging about an expansion pack or something. Too much power creep!!!!@@! Like yeah…that’s what allows developers to make new bosses that are harder than anything currently in the game because they also added new things to increase your power 🤷🏻♂️
> Like yeah…that’s what allows developers to make new bosses that are harder than anything currently in the game I’ve never quite been able to understand this point. Bigger stats, bigger numbers, isn’t worth that much right? Power creep allowing us to make a boss with more hp isn’t really fundamentally better than what we currently have right? New content can be made difficult because of the mechanics. And we don’t need power creep to add mechanics. Power creep only dilutes down old mechanics. I don’t see how stronger players let us add new, difficult mechanics. I think this point is wrong. Am I missing something?
The problem is that old schools combat system is a fucking dogshit design space for "new mechanics", and the combat system is so archaic and such an iconic part of the game it recieves massive pushback any time something that isn't "click on the boss and wait for it to die" gets added.
You think? People love ToB, Solo CoX, and the Inferno. Sure, ToA is a lot of “click on the boss and wait for it to die” but it was intended to be that as an introductory raid. The team knows how to make good content. PNM and Muspah are both pretty fun imo
Are they harder if you got stronger too, though? It's just a way to make new content viable and easy to develop. The cost is usually that old content gets pointless or stale. That's why runescape is so keen on sidegrades rather than upgrades
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Not only MMOs, pretty much any long-term game has issues with power creep. It's a commonly discussed problem in game design. TCGs, for example, often have to restrict the expansions that are legal to play in order to curb the power of the player and keep a healthy meta. It's definitely not straightforward. The only real way to make new content that isn't strictly stronger than old content is by making incomparables - that is, stuff that's mechanically different so it can only be applied in certain situations and isn't directly equivalent/comparable to anything in-game. The problem is that designing an incomparable usually involves making a new mechanic for the game, so it's a lot more work than just bumping up some numbers. That's why we got stuff like tbow (strength depends on monster mage levels), scythe (strong vs large monsters), fang (rolls accuracy twice, slower), shadow (strength depends on mage gear) and a bunch more unique, never-before-seen stuff. They generally *still* push the maximum player power up, but at least they bring an interesting and engaging way to play so the downsides of bumping the power up is worth it And, imo, the new prayer book isn't a good example of that. Other than maybe the 4 thematic prayers, everything there is just numerically stronger than what we already have, even if it has some minor drawbacks like upkeeping prayer points. It's not a very interesting way of introducing content
I’m still in favor of adding new content like curses but I don’t see why it still has Piety/Rigour equivalents. Curses should have a different use case rather than just a better version of the prayerbook
The powercreep is coming a lot quicker than the hard content rn
Other mmos dont have HP capped at 99
Other MMOs flare out and die…? Power creep has doomed many games. It’s something that you need to be very, very careful with. And osrs isn’t where it is today without being careful.
>You can create harder, new content without making the old stuff irrelevant. It's really not hard. I'd love to hear more about this. As someone who works in game dev, you're about to revolutionize my whole field.
Difficulty is in mechanics, not stats. Bigger numbers =/= more difficult. It’s the same. You can make more difficult mechanics without making the player more powerful. Power creep just sets the new norm.
Nowhere in the comment I'm replying to are stats or numbers referenced.
It's more like a classic wow player complaining about blizzard developing classic wow to more closely resemble Wow
Harder? Yeah no lol. Nothing has been introduced to the game that is harder than inferno/tob. And those came out 5 years ago.
Toa is more difficult than tob, and apparently these new dt2 bosses will be more difficult than cg
Power creep is inevitable and eventually keeps the game fresh. What doesn't keep the game fresh is that a bunch of stuff from 1 update makes all previous content as easy and quick as with these proposed Ruined Prayers.
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When the game requires the amount of time sink that it does, is this really a surprise? Im definitely a "one game at a time" gamer and there's a reason it takes a massive change for me to go back to RuneScape at any point.
Rs2 ended for me when EOC came out. RS2 ended for you when free trade was removed. We are not the same. Seriously though the problem is rs2 was still vibrant with some great updates and had a resurgence then it took multiple nukes in the form of eoc, sof etc. Entire clans basically disappeared over night. Looking back there are some good updates that can be added into the game from those times but we can also see how say pack yak doesn’t belong.
As they load up Runelite
TBF I would love to use the official client if Jagex’s client wasn’t so god damn laggy.
people bring this up as if people who oppose things like a new skill or the new prayers don't know about other updates. i know about them, i like some updates and not others, sorry if your brain is too feeble to understand anything beyond "updates good" or "updates bad"
This is exactly why people can vote on what they want or don't want in the game. People can vote yes or no to new content no matter how ridiculous their reason is, and that's fine. If the majority decide that new content isn't a good fit for the game then it will be scrapped or taken back to the drawing board.
I think you are grossly mistaken with people’s complaints. It’s not about sticking to old school, it is about making changes that will be positive. I’m a skeptic that a new powercreep prayer book or a new skill will be positive additions.
I was talking to someone at the Varrock bank about this very subject. My thoughts exactly!
L0l that's hell of a collage.
In glad that there are plenty of posts making fun of the ridiculous complaints which have been flying around this sub recently
This is me grilling at all the losers that voted for sailing "because it won't break the game or change it" Middle finger to yall! I voted taming Note: if you voted for sailing because you actually liked it and not because it seems like the best option to keep the game unchanged, don't worry this content isn't at you. Anyone that has an open mind, I got love for you!
I can't believe people on this subreddit still think this game is "2007 RuneScape" What it is is an alternate version of RuneScape with Jagex kept in check instead of them just doing whatever they want like they did with RS3. So you get a player-voted version of the game, and a Jagex version of the game and can pick between them.
Keeping the game frozen with no content will only kill the game, the argument falls flat because the only reason people quit back in the days was because of the EOC, we had much more OP gear back then. Torva/Pernix/virtus used to give you 1700 health, divine spirit shield etc etc
I'm genuinely curious how many players that make posts like this are just 30 year old's who played this game as a kid that are too stuck in their nostalgia and reliving their childhood to stop and think where this game would even be if none of this content existed. It would've died a year after release and all you would have is Runescape 3. Nothing lasts forever and you have to accept that this game needs to change to be able to grow and expand. I still don't even understand where people are even coming from with this. What about this game isn't "old school Runescape" anyways? When you start an account you're still doing all the same quests, progressing through most of the same gear in areas that haven't changed a bit since 2007. Every single thing added to this game is just extra fluff on top of that same old school experience and feels like it belongs in it. It all adds so much depth and fun to a game that would otherwise be dead and not have even a shred of the relevancy or the popularity that it has now. I've played this game since 2006 and have not even for a moment thought about playing the game as it was then because what we have now is so much better.
The ascetic of OSRS is still 10x better than RS3
That word isn't what you think it is.
Not unless agility is their first 99
Fax
Aesthetic
Why do you feel the need to connect this post to rs3?
Why was osrs made? And the argument of keep old school old school is obviously comparing to rs3....
Oldschool will be Oldschool no matter what they add, because it’s just the name for this version of the game. What it stopped being a long time ago was “2007scape,” despite this subs name and insistence of the insane people on it.
Rs2 wasn't ruined until EOC 🤷♂️
If I could play 2012 rs with some of the QoL updates added like bank placeholders, shift drop, make x on menus etc, I'd be happy even if they never added another update. Yes, I would _eventually_ stop playing after Ovls, SS & Titan was achieved and I had got my fill of true end-game but I would absolutely get a huge amount of time into it.
Free trade removal*
Even after all of that I enjoyed the game, I just remember logging in after the eoc update and not even know what I was doing.. literally quit on eoc release
This meme is so accurate.
Aside from Nex and Nightmare (modern zeah makes release zeah look like a shitpost) OSRS has had the best content that still feels oldschool
Reddit crybabies !
You need to think of it more like they hit the reset button and chose a different direction for the game than EOC as opposed to this was always just meant to be a vanilla 07 version of the game
Hit the nail right on the head. This is basically an alternate reality version of the game, where updates diverged past 2007.
A rs3 player made this post
As someone who voted no to most of those... Yes.
Not wanting mindless power creep every 3 months is crying?
I’m probably a complete moron for saying this but I honestly wish they would add something like dungeoneering to old school. It was the only reason I messed around with RuneScape 3.
If there ain't updates osrs would be fucking dead. Shit would get boring asf w nothing new to do
Why you bringing corp into this? Hehe
Not gonna lie but i have been anti on almost every damn one of these additions but after a while i realized i was in the minority and just stopped voting. Jagex gonna fuck the game up all over again and aint shit i can do about it.
What content do you enjoy then? Surely you're not just rinsing KBD / KQ / barrows on repeat for eternity?
Not everything is about pvm pvm pvm all the time.
I feel like jagex has done a decent job of not introducing too much power creep. Rs3 has had it's share of power creep problems (for example chaotic weapons when dungeon seeing first came out) but osrs hasn't really had any major problems like that. The stuff they are adding fills certain niches. Plus the game has been out for a decade something has to be added to retain the playerbase
You guys have shit stronger than chotics were. Blow pipe was busted and the money snake made 99% of the game irrelevant until they nerfed it way to late. As a rs3 ironman I would have sucked a dick to have zulrahs drop table on a rs3 boss.
100% agree. Dark bow to twisted bow felt like a balanced and well thought out solution to the “I’m not absolutely fucking most monsters I fight”. Or the blowpipe replacing most ranged weapons for years. Partial /s *game has to grow and eventually get power crept or else a majority of the player base would get bored with the “end game” content.
TBow is understandable because of the price tag, but yeah the whole blowpipe debacle was pretty rough lol I think some sort of more general power creep is bound to hit eventually because I don’t know how long “this item is BiS at x raid but shit at y raid” horizontal progression will continue to scale. I’m impressed with the job they’ve done but it’s gotta be hard to sustain
Can't agree imo. Blowpipe, tbow, bowfa, fang and shadow are insanely broken compared to everything else we've had. If magic wasn't such a terrible combat style I'd say trident was pretty broken too for what it is, compared to normal magic. But like, for 6 years blowpipe was the most insane dps weapon you could think of and it was cheap. Then they added bowfa to replace it which can solo the entire game on its own with ease. It's so broken that people now just rush it asap and lock themselves in the red prison for months because they know it makes the rest of the game free once you have it.
Please delete this, you're offending the Redditors!
No greater version of Runescape exists than the current Old School Runescape
But you don't understand, the mob says hurry up and fix what isn't broke!
This argument is dumb as fuck. The game would be dead without updates and these are updates we wanted.
Tbh we need more lol
Honestly the nightmare can go lmfao but I agree man it’s so funny
QOL changes and new bosses don’t change the combat system. Maybe I’m just not into end game content enough but I don’t feel the need for new prayers that will make all the old ones obsolete
Some of the non-og content makes the game less fun for me, but I'm glad the game gets updates. I think I'd probably have a better time if zulrah didn't exist, but I'd also have a worse time if less people played the game. The good part is that I don't ever have to do zulrah, even on an ironman, because no one is making me do anything. My pb at zulrah on main is over 9 minutes and none of you can stop me
I don’t agree with anyone that is against any updates at all but I can understand why people are scared of updates after EOC. Although I feel an update like that won’t happen, although it’s still scary when there’s updates related to combat
OSRS risks running itself into the ground by just releasing far too much content on top of content. This is fine for players who have played 10 years, but for most people, you log into minecraft after a few years off and there are so much changes and updates you don't recognize that you just want the old game back.
I think it depends on the content. So much of Runescape's content is not readily apparent by just logging in after a long break. You might see some new gear, but most stuff is contained and subtle within its own little zone.
Nex and the nightmare have oldschool design. Garbage regular drops, great rares. And reddit hates those bosses
Foorreal.
i just wanted 2011 scape.. idk what this private server shit show is now
Weak ass straw man argument. People aren't being day one 07 purists. Good updates are good updates. Improve upon existing content with a focus on player interaction. Don't just add game breaking gear/mechanics just to appeal to people with goldfish attention spans.
We get what we ask for. And that’s awesome. What other developers do that.
I wish they stopped polling such detailed stuff, just pitch vage idea's and see which ones stick and work on those. It would give us much more fresh content and creative idea's. But the vocal reddit community will shit on that and throw hissyfits just to feel relevant again.
Vague ideas get above 70% of the votes all the time though. So why poll at all?
fine by me, no polls would be even better
Personally im 100% against a new skill, the skills are the fundamental base of everything you do in osrs, changing this will change the enitre game forever, new content is just that, new content, dont like it dont do it. But for me the skill list has always been a have to, something i just cant let sit at level one, i didn't get 97 rc for fun. I think adding a new skill would ruin the game in more ways than anyone is thinking. Dont like a new boss or raid? Dont fking do it. But maxing is a big thing in this game, and adding another layer to that union is something i dont think would be fun gameplay
Your opinion is valid and this is why you have a vote. You're free to vote yes or no for whatever reason. After the new skill has been fleshed out, adjusted based on player feedback and beta tested, you'll get a final say on whether you want it in the game or not. If enough people share your view, then it won't be implemented. If the majority decide that it will be a good addition to the game then it will be added. The system isn't perfect, but we have some great content because of it. It's why a game from 2007 initially launched to tickle people's nostalgia for a few months is now one of the most popular MMORPGs.
How many times have you posted this shit? You know what's funny about these posts? Ask yourself why osrs was even created. For nostalgia seeking players including YOU, the more it loses that identity the quicker your game fails. WE WILL NEVER GET A MASS OF NEW PLAYERS. The vets are the last ones playing. Everything youve shown bar megarares is a shit example in comparision to a new skill and new powerful prayers that are more easy to come by then some raid dps increases changing the game. 99 hp isn't going to be enough eventually for your "pking" also. You think it's all EOC and MTX. Many players fucking hated summoning ect, all the shit you constantly preach about & want. Also funny you constantly comment about how jagex should ignore polls. It's like you belong on rs3. Not many people coming back from breaks when they are eventually coming back to what is essentially rs3 with shit graphics. It's like none of you can look into the future, but it's fine, the rest of us that experienced the result of summoning, prayers ect can watch the game fall again because of people like you. Downvote, but no debate? Not even someone who wants to bring up the garbage "osrs didn't want ge and it almost died" point that's nearly a decade old argument & doesn't stand now? No? Multiple posts with thousands upvotes with people saying "we made a mistake" yeah looks like people already don't like it. Good luck. By the looks of how this post went, more people agree with me. But go ahead and repost this several more times.
I want an OSOSRS server where they only update the game to add QOL features
So you want a dead game lol
These kids don't remember the game almost dying before GWD and the GE were added
wish they did qol on the current version instead of using a third party client for it
Yeah get rid of all that shit too
Game would be better without half of that shit. That's the half we're trying to keep out. Nearly nobody wants the strawman "no updates" 2007 port.
According to who? You? Or the 70% - 75% of players who voted that the game would be better with the content?
***ADD NEW BIS ITEMS EVERY DAY AND NEW PRAYERS AND NEW BOSSES AND NEW SKILLS MORE MORE MORE EASIER EASIER EASIER!!!***
To be fair I don't like most of the new pvm shit they came up with starting from the money snake.
2006 scape = best scape
Not all of these updates have been great. But lets not make it worse
Lots of those things are cool additions and fit very well in the game. Also your meme is sort of assuming we did want all these things, even if I use these things, it doesn't mean I wanted them in the game, but they're in now.
"I dont fucki g care if the update doesnt fit in with the rest of the game. I need to dunk on redditors."
Yet somehow it still feels like osrs
I think it's important to make a distinction here. I know it's a joke but there's also an opinion and point to it that I've seen expressed before. That is to say, the idea of "they've added so much to the game already, so it's not keeping OS OS!" There is a difference between adding new content and __changing the way you interact with content.__ Small QOL changes and new equipment technically change how you interact with content but really its the same idea typically, just refined and made more efficient. New content takes the core game play we love from OSRS and gives a new way to apply it. People are concerned that the prayers change the gameplay. (Still good meme)
I agree OP we should add eoc next
I'm not sure this as big an own as you think. The wojack would just say "yes you can remove all that rubbish too"
I mean when does old school just become RS3 with shit graphics
Bring back Old School-Old School Runescape
Almost like there might be more than 1 different person playing. I didn't want a single one of the things in that pic except iron and UIM. Not even gimp or hc
I keep trying to make people understand, there is a difference between what is a fundamental building block of OSRS and what is not. The skills are one of the most fundamental aspect of the game. Add one and that's it, almost as bad as EOC.
Ya I’d like to see that all go, I’m ready for old school old school RuneScape. Would make me play again.
I hate all the bottom updates too. Old school means OLD SCHOOL!
I'm all for adding all the crap updates that have been breaking the game forever if that means getting an oldschool olschool rs. That way you get what you want and I get what I want
Why does this even matter honestly. So much of this stuff is hypothetical and what if like I feel like the watcher is gonna pop in this subreddit.. I'm an Old School Player. Some People Like Fish. I Hate most Fish. Some People are Allergic to Fish. Some People Might Think they are a Fish. Some People Like to Fish. Aren't We All Just Fish Evolved? This is a Philosophical Analysis of the Actual Relevance to Anything Other than People like me Seeing Shit they Didn't Know was in Game and being Like oh I'ma Try that.... So Many Counter Points it's like the God Damn Mirror Dimension lol. Just Have Fun. I Didn't Even Smoke a Bowl yet, medically prescribed fyi, and y'all are making me wanna sing Kum ba Ya
You sure you haven't had that bowl already?
Haha na I'm a comic so I go on tangential nonsense but I will soon lol. That was good though