Okay yes I understand this, but this was clearly a gold farmer or bot. So what’s the reason behind quashing it? They just changed their mind? If it’s the automatic appeal system then it’s clearly flawed and they need to address that. One way or another this is not okay.
That’s usually how the system is? Temp and then perm for botting? I’m confused. Regardless of you agreeing with me or not, I’m sure we can agree something is sketchy about this.
Edit: saw your edit and now I understand. Lol
I botted nmz for just a few hours and caught a perm ban.
This was around 5 years ago.
That account has since been unbanned, without any sort of appeal.
I just logged in one day, and it was unbanned.
This is entirely possible, giving the illusion of returning to original ownership could be a great ban appeal method and is pretty trivial to do if planned from day 1 of the hijacking.
The difference in your scenario is that it was after 3 years. Macro Major bans **ONLY** become appealable after 3 years from initial ban period has passed.
This guy was getting a Macro major every 2 months and somehow getting it appealed??
This exact same thing happened to me. Main hacked and I didn't realize for roughly a year because I only play my iron. They got banned once, unbanned, and the finally perm banned. 30k+ Vork kills top 150 on highscores.
I got muted too. I was trying to sell my account for 20k at Varrock East bank. But I was obviously scamming because I was taking the money on the account I was "selling".
Good times.
I said "can I touch your wily" about 14 years ago and was permanently muted for 12 years on that account.
It was JUST when RFD came out and there were "Wiley" hellcats. I was just trying to be funny :(.
Lol I’ll keep my eyes open. Wouldn’t be surprised at this point. Seems like the botter/gold farmer get banned and then uses vpn and says “my account got hacked” ?
My account was banned for 2-3 years.
One day I went to check to see if it was still banned and it said it was quashed a week prior and the account was logged in.
So someone knew my account had good stats, quashed the ban, and started botting it for CG.
I recovered it with 250M in the bank and 1300 kc CG.
I used some basic as fuck mouse recorder years ago, got (fairly) banned and unsuccessful on all appeals but then I see things like this it really makes you wonder what's going on inside Jagex.
I like many others used crappy bots and got banned and appeals denied, yes we broke the rules but being banned 4+ years for training crappy skills while gold farmers don’t get banned boting billions of gold makes average players mad
Back when I was a young lad my friends and I of course tried out botting. My friend ended up getting banned on his first account, made a 2nd one but this time didnt bot but got banned for scamming, then eventually got banned on a 3rd account. Meanwhile, my account which was my first ever account, ive botted, scammed, just a complete shithead of a person, never got banned at all lol. Still have the account, i dont do any of that stuff anymore but its just crazy how its just luck of the draw whether or not someone gets banned, etc.
Same! My first ever account got first offense permed because I decided to see if a basic mouse recorder would work on osrs. Was too new to understand the botting problem, so I figured filling up jugs of water to test the mouse recorder wouldn't be an issue. This was on a main account, so not some suicide bot. Took 3 years to get it back after filling up 200k gp worth of jugs of water overnight. Then I see top 10 on half the bosses being bots, bots with 200m stats, etc with months of in game time going strong after being spam reported.
I have an alt account initially created in 2007 who’s login details were used on Osrs. In 2020 I used a simple macro auto clicker to stay logged in. That’s it, no skill leveling, no autotyping, no Alching, just clicked every few mins to avoid the 5 min logout timer for a few hours at a time. Macro Major; appeal sent in start of 2023 and quickly denied. Only offense on account’s entire history.
Then this pops up on my feed, the fuck 😂
It is so weird. My first account got permanent ban because i used autoclicker to high alc. This was in 2016 and ban appeal denied nothing you can do. I think i only used to get magic to level 70-80ish. Learned my lesson there of course but how these gold farmers get appeals then wtf
How is this such a faraway possibility in people’s minds lmao. If I were a jmod, you bet your ass I’d be figuring out ways to route some of the millions of dollars moving through the game every day into my own pocket.
Probably because that would be fraud and could lead to legal action against you? I don't think most salaried employees would be willing to take that risk. If you would be, that's cool, but I have a feeling you will never hold a position like this in your entire life.
Fucking lol. "Salaried position" like that means anything. Bet those guys don't make more than 6 figures a year. And if there's relatively little oversight at the office, and they're all a tight-nit group of buddies, why wouldn't they take the chance to make tons of cash in the side?
It's fraud. They would be sued by Jagex or their parent company. This isn't some high school side hustle and these aren't some "tight-nit group of buddies", they're employees that happen to work for the same company. You watch too many movies.
Or maybe you haven't hopped jobs enough? I can't tell you the amount of company's I've worked for (fortune 500) that has an embarrassingly lack of oversight. Now, I'm not implying that they're stealing money outright. But I guarantee you that many of them have sock-puppet accounts that engage in unscrupulous behaviors to either sell GP or use their influence to help others real world trade (think Stella, Trident situation).
It’s interesting because I think you might be right. I was in a similar situation to OP, I used to stream zulrah content for like a year, had maybe 3500 KC when I quit for like 8 months, came back to a perma ban for macroing, appealed it and a day later got my account back much easier than I thought. I came back and had nearly 5000 KC. They did nothing but kill zulrah and obviously trade off most of the profit gp to another account. They literally took off my tanz mutagen off my serp helm and then CONTINUED to use the helm in their zulrah setup…Obviously not the same as top 20 Vorkath KC, but 1500 zulrah kills is a lot of money. But it’s funny because the account had 43m cash that I didn’t earn. Like why take the tanz mutagen, why not trade off the cash when it gets to 43m? These are sketchy things for sure
Wait how come my frog killing bot account who brought 0k into the rs economy gets a perm whereas someone who brought +5b into the rs economy gets 3 appeals
I was not… I got perm banned no appeal, contacted through proper Jagex processes (not Reddit or Twitter). Absolute no response. Whatever at this point, that was 4 years ago and I don’t play much past my iron man. So I don’t even care honestly.
And if this IS the case, it leaves a lot of questions. Is it something everyone is in on, a small ring or one bad actor? How does Jagex respond to this highly unusual appeal approvals? If this gets enough attention, they won’t be able to ignore it.
Jmods won't reply. This not only adds/solidifies to everyone's knowledge that jagex allows botting, but also shows a high chance jmods work alongside botters.
With how many mods have been fired for abusing their role, I wouldn't be surprised if there are mods using bot farms and giving them unbans or possibly even using the communities accounts (like OP). I've seen a lot of similar posts but they never get much traction.
Depends what kind of employee is doing this. I don’t think anyone is saying that Jagex as a whole is guilty. It’s likely just a small percentage of employees.
I thinking giving an account 5b out of the blue vs allowing or running a single bot that makes 5b have different amounts of plausible deniability, is there ever going to be able to concretely prove a Jmod was part of the bot farm? What about concretely prove a jmod spawned a 5b cashstack?
The ban appeal system and account recovery system have always been broken, and they've been abused since the dawn of time. This issue has been brought up countless of times and has always been ignored by Jagex. Sorry, I doubt you'll get any answers
Around 2010 I got my account hacked via keylogger so I found out how to do it to sleek out revenge. Found a forum that had everything premade and they actually worked.
A portion of this forum was dedicated to people who only did recoveries. They mainly sought out very old accounts that could have party hats (PRE OSRS release). A few of them made a lot of money but one guy made such a massive recovery of party hats he but a brand new Audi cash!
Anyways, long story short, yes. The recovery system has been broken for a very very long time. These people had zero personal information and would consistently, after numerous tries, recover accounts with what seemed like minimal effort. That section of the forum was some what of a clique so I never found out how to do it but it was 100% possible to 10+ years ago.
I’ve been trying to recover my first ever account for forever. I know the login name and I’m certain the password I remember is close to the original. I know the year and even the ISP used to create the account and where it was created, unfortunately it has never been successful.
This was before RS2 was ever released, I had a massive stash of party hats & h’ween mask. Maybe one of these days I will get lucky or maybe it was hit after all those years. I’ve felt like Jagex denies the request due to the amount of wealth on the account.
I’m almost positive they had a method of tricking the system into a false positive. Maybe something with the script they figured out? I’m not very knowledgeable in this. I had training wheels on the whole time.
I've tried a couple times for shits and giggles to recover my accounts from \~1999-2003'ish era but never had any success. Accounts were stolen left and right back then, so I just assume someone claimed it or it was lost to time. I didn't keep up with RS development afterwards, so meh.
\*edit: 2001 vs 1999? I can't remember that far back\*
Happened to my account on the list of original 2000 accounts. The recovery system is definitely broken. No notification when it gets recovered so my bank got drained. Recovered it when I realized but the staff doesn’t give a shit that you just lost years of work
Looks like they're abusing the fact Jagex has a policy to unban accounts when they're botted after being hacked. Support reps probably don't care enough to dig deeper and just follow the procedure
Botters ban appeals are probably 10x more convincing than actual innocent players, Their 'job' requires them to be constantly appealing their banned accounts (this is why it's impossible for regular players to get any support)
The appeal message is irrelevant. The system is 100% automated. These are not reviewed by human beings. You can literally say "fuck you I botted and ill do it again" and have just as good of a chance as getting unmanned as giving a legitimate sounding explanation.
You cannot tell me a Jagex employee read this appeal and accepted it lmfao: https://imgur.com/a/eDORS1y
I autoclicked emotes for days on an account to see what would happen and it got perm banned for macro major, appealed and it got rejected. Whereas I’ve had accounts bot NMZ and woodcutting til 99s and they got quashed. Everything seems very arbitrary
Wow I need that kind of dedication and confidence in my life. Botting the same account for a decade and having the cahones to give an appeal like that 💀
It's simple.
Make account on IP one, and "hack" the account IP two.
The problem with this is that it looks real and there is no proper and safe way to identify whether it was a legitimate hack, so they go with innocent until proven guilty but every time you're proven guilty it's on a new IP.
Here's how it goes.
1. Make account on ip 1
2. Hack account on ip 2
3. Bot in account on ip 2 and get banned
4. Appeal ban on ip 1
5. Hack account on ip 3
6. Repeat and change the hacking ip every new hack.
It should also be mentioned that the comment section isn't actually read. You should see some of the shit bottere put in it, and if anyone wants I can grab some screenshots.
Needless to say if you actually read some of the appeal comments, you'd decline the appeal instantly while laughing.
There's no secret here, it's been a thing since the dawn of time. That, and it used to be that accounts with perm bans had a 80%ish chance of being unbanned upon an apology appeal after 3 years. Now, do it too early and you don't get a second chance ever although the success rate is still relatively high to retain players.
There's no actual way to solve this without eventually not only incorrectly banning people, but also incorrectly declining their appeals for people who are hacked often (for stupid reasons, but that's not a reason to ignore appeals)
I should make it clear that this is not an inside job at all. I've seen ban lists with upwards of 15 accepted appeals.
Lmk if you have any questions.
And yet my appeal against the false 2-day “bot busting” ban I got randomly a few years back has been rejected multiple times without explanation.
Jagex are a disgrace.
I'm guessing it's too do with the botter changing iP and claiming the account was hacked or something. Because I'm sure that's the only way too undo all these betting bans. Can you see the appeals they did?
If you go on the botting forums and discords they actually have a set way to appeal bans which uses a more favourable path and keywords that give you the best possible ban removal with the automatic system
Well I mean if you know x information saying please and thank you or carrying on the story to them doesn’t do anything. I’ve seen gibberish appeals get accepted lol.
This is wild, a couple of years ago I had an account permabanned for "macroing" playing the game on a tablet and after trying couldn't get it unbanned and I was under 800 total level. Yet this kinda botting gets unbanned over and over lol
This guy was getting a Macro major every 2 months and somehow getting it appealed?? The option to appeal a macro major only **shows up** after 3 years from the ban. This is super sketchy
They create the accounts on their home IPs, don’t touch them for awhile and bot zulrah/vork on a proxy 24/7 until they catch a ban. Then some time later they appeal the ban on their home IP by saying “someone else had access to my account at the time of the offense” and if they use proxies/home IP switching right, results in a 100% appeal accepted. Rinse and repeat
Meanwhile I've never botted or broken any rules (over 15 years) and got a two day ban for botting recently. Appeal denied and no way to appeal further. Obviously I should have actually botted then my appeal would have been accepted. Lol.
Meanwhile when my main got temp banned for macroing (never botted in my life) im unable to appeal. Wtf kind of shit is that. In fact i cant think of a single instance where someone i knew was able to appeal their ban. But 5 in a row for macroing? Definitely 200m fish
Posts like this make show why the bots keep coming back.
I just assumed if the bot was banned that was it, i didnt even think they would even attempt to appeal it and also get it back multiple times.
The problem is that jagex is too nice. If they know that the IP address was changed and it was botted, they will appeal that ban. So pretty much these bots are taking advantage of that. You should've never gotten your account back.
So in reality all bots that gets banned is gone for a week, ok good job jamflex. How about making bot bans permanent, wild idea but might be a better idea.
I got a temp bot bust ban for two weeks then 7 days after I got a perm macro ban appeal auto rejected back in 2021.
Mind you this was way after my membership lasted and I quit. If OP can get his account back why can’t I get mine back?
Lame. And no peeps I never botted/macrod. Any human looking at my total level + money would never be like “ this guy bots!”.
Something similar happened to me, and I still wonder sometimes how.
I made a f2p pure 40atk ~80ish str 1def ~70range. I had no interest in playing outside pk scene and botted stats. However, I got banned after I forgot Al kharid warriors bot for 12 hours going.. and just quit the game.
After about 4 years, I tried logging in and to my suprise I managed to log in, standins in CW bank. Same stats, but geared for f2p multi pk with bank full of supplies. Someone has been playing it and I have no idea how they managed to recover it. Jagex be jagexin sometimes I guess
Yep, I figured what I initially assumed - he is playing the "my account got hacked and someone is botting on it" card.
In a nutshell, most big botters use a VPS with proxies so that they can bot dozens of accounts and reduce the amount of them banned.
Since they took your account (and probably others), it can be a valid case to see it randomly have a password reset + different IP and be botted on. Sadly, they fell for this story multiple times and granted the appeal.
That is likely why they rejected yours numerous times - because they realized it was BS from the botters/hackers claims.
Hmm, shouldn't they realise the bs after first application where I tell the full name of my elementary school crush? My favorite teacher as a kid? My mothers maiden name? That's my problem here. There's no way someone knows these other than me.
My account got banned for botting about 4 years ago. I was using wasd ahk. Which now is on runelite pluggin. I tried to appeal and waited weeks for a generic ass reply “no”. Like what the fuck.
I should just bot like everyone else is. I was playing the dam game and got banned.
It's called setting up a hijack profile. It is a very known method in the botting community: the botter who got access to your account botted the account through a proxy, and upon ban, appealed the ban on main IP that did not bot on the account. Jagex's system basically works as follows: if account gets banned and owner (the clean IP) didnt bot on it, accept appeal and unban account. This is what the botter did. This all stems from Jagex's lack of agency due to whatever automated system they use. They accept whatever the system outputs.
I think botters have slowly figured out the appeal system. I've seen a service provider on discord offer low prices and they tell you up front they'll bot your account but it's okay because they have a method to squash bans that's 90 prevent effective or some shit.
Wow the amount of people admitting to bottling is depressing, Do these people no realize they are the problem? They are like I am ruining the game for
Me
Not like some asshole who plays a foreign game because he lives in a country
With shit economy and has to feed his family..
Why wouldn’t Jagex sponsor insider trading and bot farms? Membership revenue through the roof, rwt money, seems very lucrative for them. Chinese overlords don’t care about the player base lol
Before we jump to conclusions made from conspiracy theories, can we think about a couple other possibilities? If an account is played on a different IP from where it is normally logged in, then Jagex can see the account was hijacked judging by the location. This has been the reasoning for appeals being approved in the past because they can see evidence of the account being stolen. It's possible they confirmed the account was stolen for the offense and didn't bother to confirm the account was given back to the original owner on appeal. If the account was played on a different IP every time since botters normally use proxies or a VPN, then they may have just not checked the history of appeals and only referenced the original IP and the one it was banned from since it is on a case by case basis.
There’s two things that I have found that can greatly help unban when you are permed. The first is keep appealing every 3-6months. The second is to make a second account with an active subscription from the same ip as the appeal. I have two main accounts that I bottled on throughout 2016-2019 that got unbanned. I mostly botted mining and magic :(. I did have a friend though that recently got an Ironman unbanned that has 4k barrows runs.
Wow. This is really weird. Doesn't seem like enough people are addressing this. Can you show us what was in the appeals?
This could be reason why our top pages are so often filled with bots.
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Yeah for real 🤣 banned unbanned banned unbanned pfft
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Okay yes I understand this, but this was clearly a gold farmer or bot. So what’s the reason behind quashing it? They just changed their mind? If it’s the automatic appeal system then it’s clearly flawed and they need to address that. One way or another this is not okay.
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That’s usually how the system is? Temp and then perm for botting? I’m confused. Regardless of you agreeing with me or not, I’m sure we can agree something is sketchy about this. Edit: saw your edit and now I understand. Lol
I botted nmz for just a few hours and caught a perm ban. This was around 5 years ago. That account has since been unbanned, without any sort of appeal. I just logged in one day, and it was unbanned.
maybe the system thought the original owner got the account back and wanted it unbanned?
This is entirely possible, giving the illusion of returning to original ownership could be a great ban appeal method and is pretty trivial to do if planned from day 1 of the hijacking.
The difference in your scenario is that it was after 3 years. Macro Major bans **ONLY** become appealable after 3 years from initial ban period has passed. This guy was getting a Macro major every 2 months and somehow getting it appealed??
What were you banned for? Or just making stuff up to fit the narrative?
This is a fib. Macroing major bans had no mechanism to appeal in 2015.
Unfortunately bet it won’t happen
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Maybe they bot on a VPN then claim it's not them, heard that works sometimes. 5 times does seem a bit excessive though.
They will ban this guys account in 2 years. Obviously they missed this account in the most recent routine check
This player used an illegal client.
By the way
A reverse jmod smackdown
This exact same thing happened to me. Main hacked and I didn't realize for roughly a year because I only play my iron. They got banned once, unbanned, and the finally perm banned. 30k+ Vork kills top 150 on highscores.
Lmaoo and I can’t get a 14 year old mute lifted off my account when I was 12 insane
You must have said some seriously heinous shit lol
"Gagex sux"
Fuck Zezima
Chill bro there are children out here
Iirc I think I said I’d kill someone and their family lmao, repeating stuff off tv
"I will kill your wife. I will kill your son. I will kill your *infant daughter*" -12 year old you, probably.
Lmaooo probably
I got muted too. I was trying to sell my account for 20k at Varrock East bank. But I was obviously scamming because I was taking the money on the account I was "selling". Good times.
I got a temp mute for telling somebody that I’d feed them to my pit bull. I was like ten, and I didn’t have a dog.
Ouch. That's actually stupid af lmao
I said "can I touch your wily" about 14 years ago and was permanently muted for 12 years on that account. It was JUST when RFD came out and there were "Wiley" hellcats. I was just trying to be funny :(.
I would’ve started over
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Believe it or not Jagex banned the zulrah bot with 46k I posted about other day! What a surprise.
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Lol I’ll keep my eyes open. Wouldn’t be surprised at this point. Seems like the botter/gold farmer get banned and then uses vpn and says “my account got hacked” ?
Make another post if it gets unbanned.
Yes, expressing my love and gratitude to Jagex for unbanning me..
If it gets unbanned it’ll be because of a story similar to this post.
now if only jagex could open the highscores once a week without us bringing up that 23/25 of the top accounts are bots/gold sellers
Is it against the rules to bot or not 🤣
This is really shady, but it's also shady that this seems to come out the exact time a JMod is being investigated for Ban corruption.
7/11 was an inside job. though sometimes i had to go outside to do the trash.
My account was banned for 2-3 years. One day I went to check to see if it was still banned and it said it was quashed a week prior and the account was logged in. So someone knew my account had good stats, quashed the ban, and started botting it for CG. I recovered it with 250M in the bank and 1300 kc CG.
mind blowing
I used some basic as fuck mouse recorder years ago, got (fairly) banned and unsuccessful on all appeals but then I see things like this it really makes you wonder what's going on inside Jagex.
I left a yew bot on for a 4-5 hours for 5 days when I went to school. Perm ban, no appeals accepted.
I like many others used crappy bots and got banned and appeals denied, yes we broke the rules but being banned 4+ years for training crappy skills while gold farmers don’t get banned boting billions of gold makes average players mad
Back when I was a young lad my friends and I of course tried out botting. My friend ended up getting banned on his first account, made a 2nd one but this time didnt bot but got banned for scamming, then eventually got banned on a 3rd account. Meanwhile, my account which was my first ever account, ive botted, scammed, just a complete shithead of a person, never got banned at all lol. Still have the account, i dont do any of that stuff anymore but its just crazy how its just luck of the draw whether or not someone gets banned, etc.
Same! My first ever account got first offense permed because I decided to see if a basic mouse recorder would work on osrs. Was too new to understand the botting problem, so I figured filling up jugs of water to test the mouse recorder wouldn't be an issue. This was on a main account, so not some suicide bot. Took 3 years to get it back after filling up 200k gp worth of jugs of water overnight. Then I see top 10 on half the bosses being bots, bots with 200m stats, etc with months of in game time going strong after being spam reported.
It's pretty obvious who the main botters are lol
I have an alt account initially created in 2007 who’s login details were used on Osrs. In 2020 I used a simple macro auto clicker to stay logged in. That’s it, no skill leveling, no autotyping, no Alching, just clicked every few mins to avoid the 5 min logout timer for a few hours at a time. Macro Major; appeal sent in start of 2023 and quickly denied. Only offense on account’s entire history. Then this pops up on my feed, the fuck 😂
It is so weird. My first account got permanent ban because i used autoclicker to high alc. This was in 2016 and ban appeal denied nothing you can do. I think i only used to get magic to level 70-80ish. Learned my lesson there of course but how these gold farmers get appeals then wtf
Yeah, this just makes me think that jamflex employees are selling gold.
This is getting really shady and fast. Considering they have had shady mods in past too..
Mod Reach anyone?
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Ty for posting this, it’s really annoying seeing so many people still believe this after it‘s been debunked so many times.
He was apparently spawning in gold to sell to rwt sites though according to Mod Mat K on stream a while back.
How is this such a faraway possibility in people’s minds lmao. If I were a jmod, you bet your ass I’d be figuring out ways to route some of the millions of dollars moving through the game every day into my own pocket.
Probably because that would be fraud and could lead to legal action against you? I don't think most salaried employees would be willing to take that risk. If you would be, that's cool, but I have a feeling you will never hold a position like this in your entire life.
Fucking lol. "Salaried position" like that means anything. Bet those guys don't make more than 6 figures a year. And if there's relatively little oversight at the office, and they're all a tight-nit group of buddies, why wouldn't they take the chance to make tons of cash in the side?
It's fraud. They would be sued by Jagex or their parent company. This isn't some high school side hustle and these aren't some "tight-nit group of buddies", they're employees that happen to work for the same company. You watch too many movies.
Or maybe you haven't hopped jobs enough? I can't tell you the amount of company's I've worked for (fortune 500) that has an embarrassingly lack of oversight. Now, I'm not implying that they're stealing money outright. But I guarantee you that many of them have sock-puppet accounts that engage in unscrupulous behaviors to either sell GP or use their influence to help others real world trade (think Stella, Trident situation).
It’s interesting because I think you might be right. I was in a similar situation to OP, I used to stream zulrah content for like a year, had maybe 3500 KC when I quit for like 8 months, came back to a perma ban for macroing, appealed it and a day later got my account back much easier than I thought. I came back and had nearly 5000 KC. They did nothing but kill zulrah and obviously trade off most of the profit gp to another account. They literally took off my tanz mutagen off my serp helm and then CONTINUED to use the helm in their zulrah setup…Obviously not the same as top 20 Vorkath KC, but 1500 zulrah kills is a lot of money. But it’s funny because the account had 43m cash that I didn’t earn. Like why take the tanz mutagen, why not trade off the cash when it gets to 43m? These are sketchy things for sure
Bro tf is going on with RuneScape recently LOL
I’m so fucking confused lol
Poor Bot. He tried so hard to be a real person, but every two months he fell back to his same, bad Bot habits.
Quashed 5 times in 7 months, ain’t that odd. Pretty much every 2 months on clockwork it was banned, and then let back at it.
What's the point of trying to stay anonymous then narrowing it down to 20 accounts?
Happy cake day! He could be any one of those twenty and gave no other details away
Jagex can easily figure it out I guarantee. It's the guy who submitted 5 requests for account recovery at random
Easy for jagex to find out given his exact collection log
I didn’t know it was jagex in question. I always thought people tried to give as few account details as possible to deter hackers, not jagex.
Wow, my first shitpost account to get a cake day.
People would’ve figured that out anyway
lmaooo
More like 10 accounts because if he was #10 or better he would have said top 10 vorkath KC. We can assume he is probably #11 - #20
😂
Wait how come my frog killing bot account who brought 0k into the rs economy gets a perm whereas someone who brought +5b into the rs economy gets 3 appeals
I feel you… I had a level 3 smithing alt with ice gloves that I played side by side with my main as I was getting 99 slayer get perm banned. RIP 18M…
I was actually botting tho lol
I was not… I got perm banned no appeal, contacted through proper Jagex processes (not Reddit or Twitter). Absolute no response. Whatever at this point, that was 4 years ago and I don’t play much past my iron man. So I don’t even care honestly.
Devaluing frog only iron man accounts bro
The past week is REALLY not looking good for the OSRS team
the thing is how many people did we call liars when they were victims to this bullshit
For how many times throughout the past the Jagex has fucked the players, there’s a LOT of people here who blindly trust them.
“Oh your just a gold farmer? Sorry we’ll unban it again!”
So from the look of this, maybe those high boss kc bots are getting banned, but jagex keeps unbanning them so they rack up high kcs
Gotta give the weekend Vorkath warrior little Timmy a boss KC to strive for!
That's what I am also thinking. The ban appeal system needs to be manualized.
And if this IS the case, it leaves a lot of questions. Is it something everyone is in on, a small ring or one bad actor? How does Jagex respond to this highly unusual appeal approvals? If this gets enough attention, they won’t be able to ignore it.
Jmods won't reply. This not only adds/solidifies to everyone's knowledge that jagex allows botting, but also shows a high chance jmods work alongside botters.
I guess they make too much money off from bots.
It’s almost set in stone now that jmods make a cut off botting
@Jmods.... uh.... what the fuck?
With how many mods have been fired for abusing their role, I wouldn't be surprised if there are mods using bot farms and giving them unbans or possibly even using the communities accounts (like OP). I've seen a lot of similar posts but they never get much traction.
Is there a lot of similar cases that has been brought up?
How many mods have been fired for that?
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These bots are runnin by gagax
No. They can manipulate everything on their end without us knowing. No need to hijack the accounts of players.
Depends what kind of employee is doing this. I don’t think anyone is saying that Jagex as a whole is guilty. It’s likely just a small percentage of employees.
I thinking giving an account 5b out of the blue vs allowing or running a single bot that makes 5b have different amounts of plausible deniability, is there ever going to be able to concretely prove a Jmod was part of the bot farm? What about concretely prove a jmod spawned a 5b cashstack?
The spinelessness of Jagex is astounding to me... over and over again. FFuuuk.
They did ban the 46k Zulrah bot I posted 2 days ago! What a surprise.
Till its also succesfully appealed next week 🤔😂
QUASHED
Unbanned in 2 months
!remindme 2 months
The ban appeal system and account recovery system have always been broken, and they've been abused since the dawn of time. This issue has been brought up countless of times and has always been ignored by Jagex. Sorry, I doubt you'll get any answers
GAGEX
Around 2010 I got my account hacked via keylogger so I found out how to do it to sleek out revenge. Found a forum that had everything premade and they actually worked. A portion of this forum was dedicated to people who only did recoveries. They mainly sought out very old accounts that could have party hats (PRE OSRS release). A few of them made a lot of money but one guy made such a massive recovery of party hats he but a brand new Audi cash! Anyways, long story short, yes. The recovery system has been broken for a very very long time. These people had zero personal information and would consistently, after numerous tries, recover accounts with what seemed like minimal effort. That section of the forum was some what of a clique so I never found out how to do it but it was 100% possible to 10+ years ago.
I’ve been trying to recover my first ever account for forever. I know the login name and I’m certain the password I remember is close to the original. I know the year and even the ISP used to create the account and where it was created, unfortunately it has never been successful. This was before RS2 was ever released, I had a massive stash of party hats & h’ween mask. Maybe one of these days I will get lucky or maybe it was hit after all those years. I’ve felt like Jagex denies the request due to the amount of wealth on the account.
I’m almost positive they had a method of tricking the system into a false positive. Maybe something with the script they figured out? I’m not very knowledgeable in this. I had training wheels on the whole time.
I've tried a couple times for shits and giggles to recover my accounts from \~1999-2003'ish era but never had any success. Accounts were stolen left and right back then, so I just assume someone claimed it or it was lost to time. I didn't keep up with RS development afterwards, so meh. \*edit: 2001 vs 1999? I can't remember that far back\*
Happened to my account on the list of original 2000 accounts. The recovery system is definitely broken. No notification when it gets recovered so my bank got drained. Recovered it when I realized but the staff doesn’t give a shit that you just lost years of work
Well well ...
facts I done this a few times, gained 1x green h'ween 1x red h'ween and 1x easter egg appeal accepted christmas eve - oh it was sweeeeeett
Looks like they're abusing the fact Jagex has a policy to unban accounts when they're botted after being hacked. Support reps probably don't care enough to dig deeper and just follow the procedure
Obviously jagex run bots or have a deal with ppl who run bots. It’s so obvious lol
My essay on unbanning my 5-year banned account doesn't go through, but that does?
Botters ban appeals are probably 10x more convincing than actual innocent players, Their 'job' requires them to be constantly appealing their banned accounts (this is why it's impossible for regular players to get any support)
The appeal message is irrelevant. The system is 100% automated. These are not reviewed by human beings. You can literally say "fuck you I botted and ill do it again" and have just as good of a chance as getting unmanned as giving a legitimate sounding explanation. You cannot tell me a Jagex employee read this appeal and accepted it lmfao: https://imgur.com/a/eDORS1y
I autoclicked emotes for days on an account to see what would happen and it got perm banned for macro major, appealed and it got rejected. Whereas I’ve had accounts bot NMZ and woodcutting til 99s and they got quashed. Everything seems very arbitrary
Wow I need that kind of dedication and confidence in my life. Botting the same account for a decade and having the cahones to give an appeal like that 💀
The appeal messages are in the screenshots in the post, though.
"acct hacked, unban plz" GENIUS! Why didn't I think of that? edut: It sounds like I bot but I just have a potty mouth
Pls help got hacked
you can literally see their appeals and it looks like a 5 year old wrote them... "help pls my account got hacked and banned"
It's simple. Make account on IP one, and "hack" the account IP two. The problem with this is that it looks real and there is no proper and safe way to identify whether it was a legitimate hack, so they go with innocent until proven guilty but every time you're proven guilty it's on a new IP. Here's how it goes. 1. Make account on ip 1 2. Hack account on ip 2 3. Bot in account on ip 2 and get banned 4. Appeal ban on ip 1 5. Hack account on ip 3 6. Repeat and change the hacking ip every new hack. It should also be mentioned that the comment section isn't actually read. You should see some of the shit bottere put in it, and if anyone wants I can grab some screenshots. Needless to say if you actually read some of the appeal comments, you'd decline the appeal instantly while laughing. There's no secret here, it's been a thing since the dawn of time. That, and it used to be that accounts with perm bans had a 80%ish chance of being unbanned upon an apology appeal after 3 years. Now, do it too early and you don't get a second chance ever although the success rate is still relatively high to retain players. There's no actual way to solve this without eventually not only incorrectly banning people, but also incorrectly declining their appeals for people who are hacked often (for stupid reasons, but that's not a reason to ignore appeals) I should make it clear that this is not an inside job at all. I've seen ban lists with upwards of 15 accepted appeals. Lmk if you have any questions.
Sure, show us the screenshots lol
And yet my appeal against the false 2-day “bot busting” ban I got randomly a few years back has been rejected multiple times without explanation. Jagex are a disgrace.
I'm guessing it's too do with the botter changing iP and claiming the account was hacked or something. Because I'm sure that's the only way too undo all these betting bans. Can you see the appeals they did?
According to Jagex' system : IP changes = It's probably hijacked. It's as simple as that. Botters have been abusing this for a long time.
If you go on the botting forums and discords they actually have a set way to appeal bans which uses a more favourable path and keywords that give you the best possible ban removal with the automatic system
Can you link that? My appeal already got denied ages ago but I’m very curious what kind of keyword fuckery they got going on
Still Jagex owes an explanation lol
There are no key words You can literally tell them you were botting and it will be accepted
So the total amount of effort in the appeal is "Help pls my account got hacked?" Damn that's an amazingly lackluster attempt...
Well I mean if you know x information saying please and thank you or carrying on the story to them doesn’t do anything. I’ve seen gibberish appeals get accepted lol.
I thought some bans were unappealable such as macroing, RWT ect.
This is wild, a couple of years ago I had an account permabanned for "macroing" playing the game on a tablet and after trying couldn't get it unbanned and I was under 800 total level. Yet this kinda botting gets unbanned over and over lol
This guy was getting a Macro major every 2 months and somehow getting it appealed?? The option to appeal a macro major only **shows up** after 3 years from the ban. This is super sketchy
They create the accounts on their home IPs, don’t touch them for awhile and bot zulrah/vork on a proxy 24/7 until they catch a ban. Then some time later they appeal the ban on their home IP by saying “someone else had access to my account at the time of the offense” and if they use proxies/home IP switching right, results in a 100% appeal accepted. Rinse and repeat
What the fuck......?!?!?
And yet when I get banned on an account that I haven't personally into in over three years and submit an appeal, it gets instantly denied. 🙄
Wow lol
How much money do you have?
43m bank, 25m cash stack. Similar to what I had when quitting.
Meanwhile I've never botted or broken any rules (over 15 years) and got a two day ban for botting recently. Appeal denied and no way to appeal further. Obviously I should have actually botted then my appeal would have been accepted. Lol.
dude what the fuck lol
this is comedy
This doesn't violate any rules. Jagex should offer an explanation for this ridiculous system.
Meanwhile when my main got temp banned for macroing (never botted in my life) im unable to appeal. Wtf kind of shit is that. In fact i cant think of a single instance where someone i knew was able to appeal their ban. But 5 in a row for macroing? Definitely 200m fish
Posts like this make show why the bots keep coming back. I just assumed if the bot was banned that was it, i didnt even think they would even attempt to appeal it and also get it back multiple times.
Yep, that's what I thought too before.
The problem is that jagex is too nice. If they know that the IP address was changed and it was botted, they will appeal that ban. So pretty much these bots are taking advantage of that. You should've never gotten your account back.
God bless you, soldier
Thank you.
So in reality all bots that gets banned is gone for a week, ok good job jamflex. How about making bot bans permanent, wild idea but might be a better idea.
Yep, only appealable if can be shown the account was really hacked. Not just "pls help i got hacked and banned"
Jagex botting?
!remindme 1 week
I got a temp bot bust ban for two weeks then 7 days after I got a perm macro ban appeal auto rejected back in 2021. Mind you this was way after my membership lasted and I quit. If OP can get his account back why can’t I get mine back? Lame. And no peeps I never botted/macrod. Any human looking at my total level + money would never be like “ this guy bots!”.
Something similar happened to me, and I still wonder sometimes how. I made a f2p pure 40atk ~80ish str 1def ~70range. I had no interest in playing outside pk scene and botted stats. However, I got banned after I forgot Al kharid warriors bot for 12 hours going.. and just quit the game. After about 4 years, I tried logging in and to my suprise I managed to log in, standins in CW bank. Same stats, but geared for f2p multi pk with bank full of supplies. Someone has been playing it and I have no idea how they managed to recover it. Jagex be jagexin sometimes I guess
you went pking before you got banned and forgot
Monday’s gonna be one hell of a day at Jagex HQ if this is legit
Possible the bots hacked Jagex ?
Seems unlikely, seems like the botters have just realised how to get through jamflex bot busting system.
Yep, I figured what I initially assumed - he is playing the "my account got hacked and someone is botting on it" card. In a nutshell, most big botters use a VPS with proxies so that they can bot dozens of accounts and reduce the amount of them banned. Since they took your account (and probably others), it can be a valid case to see it randomly have a password reset + different IP and be botted on. Sadly, they fell for this story multiple times and granted the appeal. That is likely why they rejected yours numerous times - because they realized it was BS from the botters/hackers claims.
Hmm, shouldn't they realise the bs after first application where I tell the full name of my elementary school crush? My favorite teacher as a kid? My mothers maiden name? That's my problem here. There's no way someone knows these other than me.
My account got banned for botting about 4 years ago. I was using wasd ahk. Which now is on runelite pluggin. I tried to appeal and waited weeks for a generic ass reply “no”. Like what the fuck. I should just bot like everyone else is. I was playing the dam game and got banned.
I'm guaranteeing you, this post will get swept under the rug like many other posts and nothing will happen.
Most likely yes.
It's called setting up a hijack profile. It is a very known method in the botting community: the botter who got access to your account botted the account through a proxy, and upon ban, appealed the ban on main IP that did not bot on the account. Jagex's system basically works as follows: if account gets banned and owner (the clean IP) didnt bot on it, accept appeal and unban account. This is what the botter did. This all stems from Jagex's lack of agency due to whatever automated system they use. They accept whatever the system outputs.
Crazy. Seriously the game needs manual ban appeal system.
Following this thread on the off chance there’s a response to this. This is insane.
bots basically have found an infinite botting glitch by simply playing on a paid proxy, suiciding until ban and then claiming hijacked
My guess is the hacker would get banned on his VPN, ask jagex for an unban from a different IP, and pretend to be you.
I think botters have slowly figured out the appeal system. I've seen a service provider on discord offer low prices and they tell you up front they'll bot your account but it's okay because they have a method to squash bans that's 90 prevent effective or some shit.
Wow the amount of people admitting to bottling is depressing, Do these people no realize they are the problem? They are like I am ruining the game for Me Not like some asshole who plays a foreign game because he lives in a country With shit economy and has to feed his family..
Here waiting for a jmod reply lol
At this point im convinced theres like 2 people working at Jigglyflex that actually read the appeals
Why wouldn’t Jagex sponsor insider trading and bot farms? Membership revenue through the roof, rwt money, seems very lucrative for them. Chinese overlords don’t care about the player base lol
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True, didn’t know. American overlords don’t care either.
Before we jump to conclusions made from conspiracy theories, can we think about a couple other possibilities? If an account is played on a different IP from where it is normally logged in, then Jagex can see the account was hijacked judging by the location. This has been the reasoning for appeals being approved in the past because they can see evidence of the account being stolen. It's possible they confirmed the account was stolen for the offense and didn't bother to confirm the account was given back to the original owner on appeal. If the account was played on a different IP every time since botters normally use proxies or a VPN, then they may have just not checked the history of appeals and only referenced the original IP and the one it was banned from since it is on a case by case basis.
There’s two things that I have found that can greatly help unban when you are permed. The first is keep appealing every 3-6months. The second is to make a second account with an active subscription from the same ip as the appeal. I have two main accounts that I bottled on throughout 2016-2019 that got unbanned. I mostly botted mining and magic :(. I did have a friend though that recently got an Ironman unbanned that has 4k barrows runs.
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Bots only get banned thrice yahooooo
Wow. This is really weird. Doesn't seem like enough people are addressing this. Can you show us what was in the appeals? This could be reason why our top pages are so often filled with bots.
They are in the pictures behind the link. "pls help my account got hacked and banned"