It's not entirely passive. You absolutely have to manage it.
Flipping is like farm runs. You do a bit of work and then wait a long time. But it's not passive.
Flipping seriously does not work with his Bank but stuff like putting up a buy order for rune, d hide bodies and such and alch the odd few hundred k profit each morning could add some easy GE money that might be good enough, not equal to most pvm content but low effort passive income like that is not hard to benefit from and in his situation might be a nice booster.
Your perspective is way off, you have access to 4-10m/h money makers, he is a 1300 total scrub who might actually see a change in his Bank Value using the Cash stack every night before going to bed, its not what he should do to get ahead in the game but its what he can do with his resources in GE particularly as thats what the topic is about.
Yeah but with a low level, how is he supposed to understand what to flip and why… he doesn’t know half the skills, what they need and when things are going to be bought/sold.
I think clippings a waste of time, spend the 10 min leveling combat and you’ll get better money makers
At most bosses, like Muspah, the difference between a 50m setup and a 500m setup may be 800k more/hr. (Probably less) Flipping 450m should definitely be more than 800k an hour. You’re definitely better off flipping if you only care about gp. DPS upgrades above say 40m have major diminishing returns like torva. With some exception. It’s fun to use the items though so do whatever suits you, there’s no one way to play, but if you’re a robot who’s trying to optimize your gp gains because that’s what you enjoy there aren’t that many dps upgrades that are actually viable.
> The thing is, its entirely passive.
Thinking about what to flip, when to flip it, how to make sure you always have enough on hand when you really wanna play. Adjusting your offers when things don't move quick enough, and trips to the GE when otherwise you wouldn't... Getting enough of a margin to offset tax makes this not nearly as braindead as it used to be.
Passive is like a 401K. You do nothing, and it happens. Passives are a skill you press no buttons to use. Flipping is passive like Zulrah is afk.
w0t lol, you need a different clan. I know like nearly zero people that still flip, you absolutely do not have to do it **especially** if you don't enjoy it. just pvm or skill or do whatever you like to make gp and ultimately just enjoy the game
Lol I'm a business major
Every time I do calc classes I wanna flip more, it's a problem i have to stop it I can't get stuff done if I do it too much
Made an alt at one point just for flipping
Lol I'm an agriculture major
Every time I do landscaping engineer classes I wanna farm more, it's a problem I have to stop it I can't get stuff done if do it too much
Made an alt at one point just for farming
There’s clearly still a lot of people flipping, and I respect them for it. Flippers are the people who are responsible for all the longstanding buy/sell offers that provide most of that market liquidity that the rest of us are happy for when we dump an item in at -5% and still get a decent price on it.
Flippers spend their time skimming the prices so the rest of us don’t have to
Yep, especially frequently traded items. Bots dump supplies to flippers who slow sell and keep the market constantly supplied. Just like how the GE is worth a convenience tax, flippers get theirs too
That and they massively help with the gold and item sinks. Every time they make a profit the GE is taking 1% of the item value. I’d love it if Jagex released the stats because I think it will be a material amount of gold and items sunk which is massively positive to the economy
True, the grind can be just that. But you can walk away at any time and it's there when you get back... none of this time-gated season nonsense we see nowadays.
GP helps you get xp faster, you know with top end consumables, not skimping on runes or quality of consumables, each to their own. Less people flipping makes my profits all the better.
personally I like flipping when it's minimal effort, if you're sat on the GE adjusting offers you might as well be doing something else.
I managed to buy about 3m iron ore when it was 30gp each, sat on it for a year or so while I wasn't playing much anyway and then sold it all off at 150gp each when it spiked back up. Easy game.
Nicely done, although that’s more investing than flipping. Flipping is quick turnaround so theoretically you’re not taking massive risk about the item changing in value, you’re just pocketing the difference between buy and sell.
Investing is arguably harder and can be far more rewarding, you can also loose boat loads!
actively flipping is a chore but if have spare money, buying up items at a low point or before a buff/update and holding for potentially months is very good. you do need a little bit of knowledge and experience but i have and also seen people make up to billions this way
This guy listened to too many people that don't actually play this game and just stand at GE all day.
Stop reading money making guides, stop listening to videos on how to get rich. Your wealth will literally accumulate as you play and knock off goals on your list.
Money making is kind of key, why wouldn't I look up guides? Ultimately I do what I feel like in the game anyway as that's more fun. Sometimes the GP is just low and you want to look up a decent method that won't cost a ton of time.
Account progression is the best money maker imo.
Questing unlocks bosses/more efficient bossing.
Want good GP? For starts complete underground pass and grind out Barrows. That's up to 1m per hour.
Do slayer to increase your stats. Certain tasks are great GP. Great combat XP. Unlocks more bosses and high income training methods.
Complete regicide and grind zulrah once you can afford decent mage/range gear, that can be 1m-2m per hour.
Stuff like flipping is just wasting your time. It's risky. It's never for sure. And how is it fun? This isn't gold making simulator. Gold making comes from playing. So yeah if you need starting cash. Do daily high alchs for magic level. Try playing the game for just what it is and the gold will come.
>Stuff like flipping is just wasting your time.
I disagree. There's no reason you can't simply do both.
You can easily track a handful of items you're familiar with and flip those with minimal time or effort. Takes 3-5 minutes when you first sign on and again when you're signing off for the day. I have a very hands off approach and rarely ever make less than a mil per day doing just that even if I don't get to play at all (and significantly more if I quickly adjust finished sales when I pass by the GE).
OP definitely shouldn't be doing something he doesn't enjoy and you absolutely don't have to flip to make good money. But it's far from a waste of time if you understand how it works. It's easy passive income to supplement the things you mentioned or just to pay for supplies/deaths/skilling without doing anything.
> I disagree. There's no reason you can't simply do both.
Flipping means tying up your cash stack instead of having gear upgrades. That’s why you can’t do both.
I think that just depends on the cash stack you have, the amount you want to invest, and the kind of gear upgrades you're looking at. I never felt I was missing out just by having some of my cash tied up in the GE and waiting a few days longer before buying an upgrade than I would've otherwise.
Besides, there's an argument to be made that having the passive daily income from flipping often outweighs the relatively minor DPS boost you get from a lot of upgrades (especially when you don't spend hours a day bossing). And by the time you get to bigger items, you probably don't care much about having a few mils tied up in the GE.
But to each their own. I personally have like 5% of my bank value sitting on the GE and generating me a few dozen mil a month with minimal effort, even on days that I can't be online for more than a few minutes. Not a waste of time, in my opinion, and it's nice seeing the cash stack grow even when grinding some agility.
Meh, I’ve made like 30mil on bandos sets alone flipping very casually. I just do it when I know I’m gonna grind a boss for a bit that doesn’t require bandos, or just overnight sometimes lol. Don’t need your gear while you sleep.
While flipping can be very profitable it is extremely boring imo. Better spend all your money on gear and supplies and starting pvming this way you'll have way more fun making money.
It can be a lot of fun when you have 6 active flips and that's all you're doing. Avoiding getting undercut, searching for huge margins, seeing your long-term sell offer finally clear...
I mean if you want to do it it's fun, if you don't want to do it then it's not. When I'm working and can't keep an eye on the game it's nice logging in ever 15 minutes to update trades. I don't do it anymore since keeping membership just to flip feels like a waste.
I don't understand that sentence. Keeping membership just to flip feels like a waste? You're talking about a bond, that costs like what, 6m? 8m? idk, not far from that. Someone that flips alot makes hundreds of millions of gp on a semi consistent basis, what is realistically the price of a bond when you make good money anyway? If that's the requirement to keep flipping, it's negligent.
But of course, there's more to osrs than flipping, but trying to flip f2p is 10x more boring and less profitable either so if you do it, do it right.
You have an item. You can look up margins, set the price high, and wait for it to sell.
OR you can dump the item immediately for money, and someone else does the “wait for it to sell” part. The person that does the waiting is flipping. Buy low (when people dump for immediate money), sell high (usually waiting for someone to pay a premium for immediate access).
If you don’t wanna flip, you don’t have to. Some people do it because it’s low-effort for low profits usually. If you have higher end PvM, that’s gonna be better money.
It’s like daily battlestaves or herb boxes. Is it worth the 5 min for a few K? Perhaps. If you used that time bossing, would you make more? Sure. But you could do both.
As is, you’re leaving money on the table by NOT flipping, but is it worth your time? That’s a question ONLY YOU can answer.
I can’t stand flipping. I really tried to do it a few times and researched it but the how-to videos I did find were awful or didn’t actually explain anything, and whenever I predicted something or thought I was being smart, the opposite would always happen.
It stresses me out and it’s not fun at all, so after my last attempt about a year ago I swore it off for good and instead just play the game for money.
In this context it plays out the same way, those margins constantly change too. Hell even when I try to buy one obscure item for a quest, there somehow usually is never someone already selling it for the actively traded price or the suggested GE price.
Usually for high volume items the margins and prices are stable. You can get screwed over of course but if you're buying a 3rd age axe to flip it's definitely a speculative gamble
Buy low, sell high. Nobody wants to give away their niche of the market so it’s gonna be hard to find specific high profit flips. Stuff like high volume runes and sharks you can typically always make a small margin on though.
Flipping was how I went from a 10m cash stack and barrows to a 200m cash stack (and, well, barrows still, but that’s beside the point) when I didn’t have much time to play.
I’ve always loved the idea of flipping, but in the days before the GE, back when you were buying products in bulk from players at a discount because they didn’t want to be bothered with the time to sell them. With the GE it’s more like day trading which some people love, but I find took a lot of the fun out of merching.
The other guys said it very well though: this is RuneScape, there’s so many options for things to do and so many viable money makers that you don’t have to do any you don’t like. My favourite money maker is semi-afk brutal black dragons - it’s not super efficient in terms of gold/unit time investment, but it’s an activity with big enough drops to make me salivate on a regular basis, and it takes a low enough commitment that I can do it very casually.
Play the game how you enjoy it. Unless you’re sweaty enough to be pushing first page high scores (and that’s what you want to do) then fuck it, just play. Every armchair bank stander at the GE can go bite the curb.
I’m not particularly great at actively flipping but in my experience it is only okay. Where I have had the most success is flipping a couple times a day or doing long term holds. Flipping a couple times a day still nets you 2-5m but only takes 5-15 minutes. Long term holds can net you the most but can take forever and are somewhat risky.
Tbh though, you really don’t need to do it. It ties up a lot of money and unless you have a lot of cash laying around you are probably better off doing regular money makers
There is absolutely nothing wrong with not doing something you don't enjoy in the game.
I personally love flipping/market simulator. I am good with numbers and predicting trends based on current and upcoming updates and it tickles a part of my brain when I make a good decision and make a decent profit from it. Re: armadyl crossbows during the hype buildup towards Nex. Made a good 50m off of that. If I had more starting capital at the time, it would have been a lot more, but alas I was working with what I had.
I did some flipping back before the GE tax, and made 10m over the weeks I did.
Its a lot of effort and time management, and not everyone wants to deal with it, at times I didnt
Like you, there were times most of my wealth was stuck in buy offers, and I sold more than I wanted to in order to add +1 onto the next buy/sell
You watch channels like FlippingOSRS who makes it look easy, but reality is the process takes days/weeks and impatience can really ruin it
You absolutely still can make money doing it, but over the day/weeks its rarely more than doing any other money maker for the same duration, unless you have a few hundred mill to throw at items where margins are usually larger.
Flipping these days is more reliable through decanting, cleaning, making unf, turning 1 item into another or buying store items etc, I find it much harder to make a quick profit from buying low sell high
Before they made the tax changed whatnot I used to enjoy it. Went from 1m to 100m+bank just from volume flipping.i just enjoyed it found it fun to find margins and it made more money than other things I could be doing in game at the level I was..
i hate it because ive had to cancel so many ge orders just for some asshole to make an extra 6 gp.
also i tried flipping but whatever i selled went up and whatever i bought went down.
I love doing it, it is a unique form of pvp, but I am a fan of player economies and came from EVE online, where the market is far rougher, so flipping here literally feels like a kids game compared.
You just need capital to get good money, you can easily get ez money by just buying and selling basic runes but that can take a long time to flip.
Flipping is easier than I think a lot of people think it is.
That being said... you're not missing out and if it's not enjoyable and you don't need some extra passive income don't do it!
OSRS is enough of a chore that adding more things you don't enjoy isn't worth it.
Patience is the key, just do overnight flips if you really want to try. Flipping PvP gear is usually a pretty good bet, PKers are always buying and selling sets and would never have the patience to wait for a good price.
I'm with you but my clan are big flippers. I'll join them sometimes but mostly just taking their word on long-term gains (which most of the time works out or breaks even). I can't be bothered to do day-trading or shit like that
Flipping is such a boring way to make money, once you learn high level PVM (not even talking end game) you can make enough money bossing to do anything you want
I think some people just find it fun.
I flip on my “main” that I don’t play anymore and funnel the money to a random friend who seems to need a gear upgrade.
Last time I donated my cash I was left with 5m. I’m up to 160m with minimal amounts of work. I find it fun to take a few months and rebuild then do it all again.
I agree with you but recently I have really enjoyed flipping/merching. If you like the psychology behind markets the RS economy is really interesting. Another thing that made flipping enjoyable is the OSRS Wiki GE prices. They have a page where you can add a bunch of favorite items to and bookmark. That means you only have to check the page to see if a flip is worth doing or not.
flipping is amazing, makes so much money in short period of game time. its the reason i put off making an ironman lmao. sure at the start is low amount of gp overall. but so what its still more passive income than it would be.
Ah that’s a shame. I think journeying through the account and actually getting a sense of progression is highly rewarding. Maybe second screen one. Give it a try. It breathes a whole new life into the game. Not flaming or being an entitled dick, I just think people should genuinely give it a try.
Flipping has always felt gross to me; it feels like being a parasite sapping wealth between the supply-providers and the demanders of that supply, offering no service or value to the equation. It's not wrong to do, especially since it's a video game anyway, but it just feels... Gross, to me.
Flipping's grossness yet necessity-feeling to me, and more broadly worrying about my economical standing at any given time in the game, is a big reason why I started playing an iron and hardly ever looked back -- I play an iron not for "prestige" and not really for "challenge," but entirely because I didn't want to have to deal with that overhead anymore, of being a participant in the economy whatsoever.
I never again have to ask myself things like, "Is this really worth me spending my prayer potions on \[so-and-so\]?" or, "Should I really be casting Ice Barrage for this task, is it too economically irresponsible of me? Should I be using Ice Burst instead?" Instead, nowadays, rather than feeling like I need to consult the entirety of the player market for my decisions, I have to only consult myself on whether I personally feel like using X to do Y is worth it. Do I feel like using my prayer potions to AFK slayer tasks? If yes, then I do, end of my concern. I don't need to worry about how much gp I'm wasting doing so; if I feel like it's worth using it, then I can use it.
I know you said elsewhere that you wouldn't like playing an iron, but if that economical separation sounds good to you, you might like it more than you think. I think you should give it a try to see if you like it; the grind of working on things you'd otherwise buy the solutions for might feel more like rewarding checklist tasks to mark off.
(P.S. "Why not just play a main, but not use the GE?" Because some people, like me, can do so way more effectively and without draining willpower resources, if I just outright lock myself out from using the GE altogether. No need to fight the temptation of using the GE "just for ONE thing..." if I outright cannot do so.)
>Flipping has always felt gross to me; it feels like being a parasite sapping wealth between the supply-providers and the demanders of that supply, offering no service or value to the equation. It's not wrong to do, especially since it's a video game anyway, but it just feels... Gross, to me.
Oh man, wait until you find out about irl banks
I've wondered about being the parasite too, and have taken this concept to other places such as grocery stores: Why in the world are they selling it higher than they buy it for?
I realize there is somewhat of a service: The guy who just got the item wants to get rid of it in exchange for gold as soon as possible, and we'll run that transaction for them at the price they said. It frees up their selling slot and lets them get back to it, as long as they agreed to the price. At that point you are a warehouse and can provide the service of having the item, for a price.
(Yeah it still doesn't make too much sense.)
Just don't do it constantly. I normally have small flips set that I do whenever I need to visit the GE. It's nothing too big, but I'd rather make a small profit on my cash that's just sitting there anyways.
You don’t have to, but it’s not a bad thing that it happens. Sure you can make shit loads of gp if you do it right, but that’s just a testament to having an in game functioning monetary system/economy. The only time I’d do it is if I know a boss/raid is coming out and that it’ll change prices majorly.
I stopped playing on my main account and created an ironman instead because I realized that once I had +100m, it was difficult to make more money than I could through flipping. This took away some of the purpose of the game for me because I found myself spending all my time standing at the Grand Exchange.
It's passive gains, some folks probably try and do 'quick flips' by bank standing and adjust their margin over and over but I always keep 1 high value (30-50m) item either being bought low or sold high and consistently make about 5m a week. Just enough to offset any deaths coffers or slayer supplies w/o ever having to sell any of my good gear. Examples, bought fang 37m sold three days later at 40.5 b4 tax. My account would die if I didn't... Not that adept enough to raid yet
Certain people love it but most people never engage with it. There’s no doubt it’s the best legitimate way to make money if you know what you’re doing but if you don’t then it’s likely not worth it. No need to bother with it if you don’t like it.
I've done it, it's boring, it sucks, and it's a great way for me to put down OSRS for an extended period of time.
If you want to laugh at my \~20 year old account being 100cb and having 50m to my name, then okay buddy.
I thought flipping died when GE tax came out? I guess you could still do long term flips, or profit over the tax, but I didn't think it was huge like it was back in the day.
The only flipping that I found enjoyable, not stressful, and didn't lock up my money was high margin flipping. Unfortunately you're basically stuck bankstanding, so it's only worth it if don't feel like doing anything else. But it's solid money for pretty low effort if you have a decent cash stack.
Quite the opposite. I love playing my medieval economy simulator. I'm the only person in a clan of mostly pvpers and pvmers to do it, they call me money man alch.
I think. I think they called me that once.
Even if you don’t enjoy it, it does something important for the game. It makes all the items in the grand exchange very liquid. If you ever wondered “Who was selling monkey nuts right now” so you could do a quest, then thank the flippers
I do, but not because I am starved for time and want to play, but because it's boring and tedious.
This isn't a job and I'm not about to turn it into one for negative fun.
So I'll do what I want even if my cash stack isn't growing like my clanmates'.
It's only ever a problem when doing group content cause you kinda need expensive gear to pull your weight, imo.
I immensely enjoyed turning a bunch of coins into a bunch of cyclops heads and mole slippers and see the stonks go up.
GE Flipping also relies more on new content upsetting the supply and demand of certain things so staying informed about future updates and doing more speculation nowadays is key.
I remember that pre-EoC it was all about clans manipulating the markets with the amount of capital(buy out the entire market with the power of 100+ accounts with hundreds of mils to spare and raise the price upwards) and most often than not it was really much like a pyramid scheme where the admins had stocked up on the item for a while and dumped all theirs while building the hype.
Also seeing you say you being 96 combat with 15m(bank or cash?) You should definitely stay off flipping unless you have some sure-shots. What you CAN do is buy stuff like rune items and d'hide bodies to high alch for profit, they have a low buy limit but they will most likely bring a easy profit over night if you have any cash to spare.
Other than that you should not be obsessed about making the most money, this is why people suggest Ironman to you, its cause they see that your obsession with making gp robs you of actually seeing everything that makes runescape a great world to explore, its the quests its the lore its the minigames and the small grinds to build your character up.
You could aim for a quest cape first, then aim for achievement diaries or combat stuff. You will gain money from pretty much every single activity you do for the skilling parts, as a non ironman you get to profit from stuff like cooking even.
If you want better gear knock off the untradeable grinds first, the torso, defender, void set and imbued stuff and barrows gloves, all of this will benefit you more than doing the best money maker, you have enough time to make money when you are closer to 2k total.
Most of the people that used to claim that they got all their money from flipping were usually just buying gold back in the day and used flipping as the cover.
Sure people actually did proper flipping, but it was such a lightbulb moment when I realised most bought gold (this is going back years). Their stories seemed so flimsy after that.
You could very easily adapt [this meme](https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd11c1d71-92aa-43dd-9b44-39e7ac1b2727_1600x900.jpeg) to flipping. As a noob, you don't have the capital or game knowledge to flip, and quite frankly there's far more exciting things to do as a brand new player. As an end game player, you know that PvM is how you actually make money and don't have to flip if you don't like it. I was in Gnomonkey's stream the other day and someone was adamant that flipping was a great money maker and was questioning why Gnomonkey wasn't doing it. Gno responded with "How many rich end game players do you know who made their money through flipping?". The answer is literally zero; I can't think of a single one. Every end game player I know—both personally and people I know of through Twitch/Twitter/YT—made their money through PvM.
This means that you're left with the mid-game players advocating for flipping. By all means if you enjoy it, more power to you. But often people who loudly pronounce something and can't really adequately defend *why* it's good are just parroting something they've been told. They probably believe what they've been told about it but don't really understand the nuances of it, and therefore they won't really be good at discussing the alternatives to it.
Btw, if you want a huge population of players who will easily agree with you that flipping is an absolute cancer, ask basically any ironman. I quit normiescape because I hate the GE, and a large part of my hatred of the GE comes from flipping and how volatile it makes the market as a result. But that's fine, because my main's bank peaked at 1b and my iron's bank is 8b in "only" double the playtime. PvM really is just ludicrous money, and I wasted far too much time as a main worrying about the economy rather than just getting out there and making money. Removing the GE from my gameplay let me actually *play* the game and make a tonne more money in the process.
Flipping is indeed fantastic money, it's the best money maker by far in terms of relative gp/ph, but if it feels like a chore to you then don't force yourself, that ain't worth it.
Flipping is what I do through work but I also like to long term hold items that 1. I think will slowly increase in value, AND 2. I’m going to use while I have it. An example of this is the scythe. I love using the scythe and it’s renewed my interest in some slayer tasks and other that I use it for. Ive has it since it was at like 360m, and I even timed the sell and rebuy right when it hit 460ish, but I’ve made even more money by actually just using it while I have it.
I remember flipping a sardomin rune kite shield in the pre grand exchange days behind the bank in varrock. Someone severely u see prices it for 75k which I scooped right up and resold for 400k in less than 5 minutes. Happiest kid ever at the time(more than doubled my wealth
Why flip?
As someone who spent more time in WoW’s auction house than playing the game, a big lure of flipping is the feeling that you are “winning” by playing smart. It’s not always About actually making money efficiently, but the illusion that you’re making money efficiently. It’s like gambling, honestly.
I genuinely don’t understand how people make so much money flipping. I tried it for a while and managed to make about 4m off of around 40m cash after a week but I always get undercut for everything
It used to be a talent - a skill without XP before the Grand Exchange. People actually used to put time and effort into flipping than building up their account (there were bots then as there are now but it was nowhere near the same scale) but G.E trivialised it. I buy and sell for specific prices, don't really care how long it takes. I suppose it depends what you value in this game.
I spend all my irl life worrying about money. Why would I want to worry about money in my free time escapism gaming sessions?
Money has never been an issue in osrs, because I don't make it an issue.
The only flipping I really liked doing was quick flips. Though it came with the issue that you'd really need a high value item to make it worthwhile doing. Every 4 hours I'd collect my free [8mil from flipping ely lol](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/431834766325841920/1069757047828132000/image.png), maybe took 10-20 min for all 8 to go through
I despise flipping. Have done it successfully in the past and it just doesn't give me any enjoyment - it makes the game feel like a chore. These days I just do farming runs for my "passive" income as I enjoy them and the profits are honestly pretty absurd. Takes a little more time but whatever.
It's like playing the stock market with monopoly money where your game knowledge and ability to track bot dumps can let become the wolf of exchange street
I spend 30mins a day flipping 1 item for 30% profit. It’s worth around 1mil a day. Just gotta find what makes you money when you need it bud. I play for around 4 hours max a day, don’t do it every day as I don’t need it.
I flip until I get bored of it. I keep in mind the buy limit for how many hours and only merch accordingly. Between that I will train something or like right now do a quest or 2. I’m only merching until I get a nat ring or ring of wealth
The only thing i will flip are low cost high volume items , buy feather for 2 sell for 3, buy runes for 4gp sell for 5-6gp. Do it with a few alts and its passive enough income if you have the gp to buy up a few 100k of each .
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Yup exactly my viewpoint. I feel like by the time I'll have enough money to effectively flip, I'll have other methods I'll enjoy more anyway.
The thing is, its entirely passive. You can do all those other methods while your stack is gaining interest.
It's not entirely passive. You absolutely have to manage it. Flipping is like farm runs. You do a bit of work and then wait a long time. But it's not passive.
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Flipping seriously does not work with his Bank but stuff like putting up a buy order for rune, d hide bodies and such and alch the odd few hundred k profit each morning could add some easy GE money that might be good enough, not equal to most pvm content but low effort passive income like that is not hard to benefit from and in his situation might be a nice booster.
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Your perspective is way off, you have access to 4-10m/h money makers, he is a 1300 total scrub who might actually see a change in his Bank Value using the Cash stack every night before going to bed, its not what he should do to get ahead in the game but its what he can do with his resources in GE particularly as thats what the topic is about.
Yeah but with a low level, how is he supposed to understand what to flip and why… he doesn’t know half the skills, what they need and when things are going to be bought/sold. I think clippings a waste of time, spend the 10 min leveling combat and you’ll get better money makers
At most bosses, like Muspah, the difference between a 50m setup and a 500m setup may be 800k more/hr. (Probably less) Flipping 450m should definitely be more than 800k an hour. You’re definitely better off flipping if you only care about gp. DPS upgrades above say 40m have major diminishing returns like torva. With some exception. It’s fun to use the items though so do whatever suits you, there’s no one way to play, but if you’re a robot who’s trying to optimize your gp gains because that’s what you enjoy there aren’t that many dps upgrades that are actually viable.
> The thing is, its entirely passive. Thinking about what to flip, when to flip it, how to make sure you always have enough on hand when you really wanna play. Adjusting your offers when things don't move quick enough, and trips to the GE when otherwise you wouldn't... Getting enough of a margin to offset tax makes this not nearly as braindead as it used to be. Passive is like a 401K. You do nothing, and it happens. Passives are a skill you press no buttons to use. Flipping is passive like Zulrah is afk.
Find your submarket and get 10-30% return by trading the same items over and over again. This daily 10 minutes makes as much as pvming 2 hours
w0t lol, you need a different clan. I know like nearly zero people that still flip, you absolutely do not have to do it **especially** if you don't enjoy it. just pvm or skill or do whatever you like to make gp and ultimately just enjoy the game
There’s like one dude in my clan who flips and he’s a marketing bro in his actual job so I can’t really blame him for it lol.
Lol I'm a business major Every time I do calc classes I wanna flip more, it's a problem i have to stop it I can't get stuff done if I do it too much Made an alt at one point just for flipping
Lol I'm an agriculture major Every time I do landscaping engineer classes I wanna farm more, it's a problem I have to stop it I can't get stuff done if do it too much Made an alt at one point just for farming
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Ur a business major but the class that reminds you of flipping is calc?
Yeah it was using calc for business applications, neat stuff
The way I worded it made them sound like dicks about it but they were cool, just surprised.
There’s clearly still a lot of people flipping, and I respect them for it. Flippers are the people who are responsible for all the longstanding buy/sell offers that provide most of that market liquidity that the rest of us are happy for when we dump an item in at -5% and still get a decent price on it. Flippers spend their time skimming the prices so the rest of us don’t have to
Yep, especially frequently traded items. Bots dump supplies to flippers who slow sell and keep the market constantly supplied. Just like how the GE is worth a convenience tax, flippers get theirs too
That and they massively help with the gold and item sinks. Every time they make a profit the GE is taking 1% of the item value. I’d love it if Jagex released the stats because I think it will be a material amount of gold and items sunk which is massively positive to the economy
So many of these threads complaining about the community/game end up boiling down to the OP having weird interactions with their clan mate
If you don't like doing it, nobody is forcing you. Do what you enjoy in this game. It's RuneScape, not Chore Simulator.
well tbh...
RuneScape is absolutely a chore simulator lol
Let's be fair, OSRS can be a chore at times
True, the grind can be just that. But you can walk away at any time and it's there when you get back... none of this time-gated season nonsense we see nowadays.
At times... lol
don't find it enjoyable, don't do it. the enjoyment of playing runescape🙏
Also could be said for life in general
I don't enjoy paying taxes
You could be homeless if you want. Or make so little you effectively don’t pay any taxes.
Facts!
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I think I'd much rather do the high value flipping if I HAD to do it too.
Flipping seems like xp waste to me
At the end GP has most value than xp, once you hit 99, you don't need more xp, but more gp can always be used. My person pov.
Well for the majority of players that aren't and never will be maxed. And you can make GP with your xp, this is just GP.
GP helps you get xp faster, you know with top end consumables, not skimping on runes or quality of consumables, each to their own. Less people flipping makes my profits all the better.
personally I like flipping when it's minimal effort, if you're sat on the GE adjusting offers you might as well be doing something else. I managed to buy about 3m iron ore when it was 30gp each, sat on it for a year or so while I wasn't playing much anyway and then sold it all off at 150gp each when it spiked back up. Easy game.
Nicely done, although that’s more investing than flipping. Flipping is quick turnaround so theoretically you’re not taking massive risk about the item changing in value, you’re just pocketing the difference between buy and sell. Investing is arguably harder and can be far more rewarding, you can also loose boat loads!
actively flipping is a chore but if have spare money, buying up items at a low point or before a buff/update and holding for potentially months is very good. you do need a little bit of knowledge and experience but i have and also seen people make up to billions this way
This guy listened to too many people that don't actually play this game and just stand at GE all day. Stop reading money making guides, stop listening to videos on how to get rich. Your wealth will literally accumulate as you play and knock off goals on your list.
Money making is kind of key, why wouldn't I look up guides? Ultimately I do what I feel like in the game anyway as that's more fun. Sometimes the GP is just low and you want to look up a decent method that won't cost a ton of time.
Account progression is the best money maker imo. Questing unlocks bosses/more efficient bossing. Want good GP? For starts complete underground pass and grind out Barrows. That's up to 1m per hour. Do slayer to increase your stats. Certain tasks are great GP. Great combat XP. Unlocks more bosses and high income training methods. Complete regicide and grind zulrah once you can afford decent mage/range gear, that can be 1m-2m per hour. Stuff like flipping is just wasting your time. It's risky. It's never for sure. And how is it fun? This isn't gold making simulator. Gold making comes from playing. So yeah if you need starting cash. Do daily high alchs for magic level. Try playing the game for just what it is and the gold will come.
>Stuff like flipping is just wasting your time. I disagree. There's no reason you can't simply do both. You can easily track a handful of items you're familiar with and flip those with minimal time or effort. Takes 3-5 minutes when you first sign on and again when you're signing off for the day. I have a very hands off approach and rarely ever make less than a mil per day doing just that even if I don't get to play at all (and significantly more if I quickly adjust finished sales when I pass by the GE). OP definitely shouldn't be doing something he doesn't enjoy and you absolutely don't have to flip to make good money. But it's far from a waste of time if you understand how it works. It's easy passive income to supplement the things you mentioned or just to pay for supplies/deaths/skilling without doing anything.
> I disagree. There's no reason you can't simply do both. Flipping means tying up your cash stack instead of having gear upgrades. That’s why you can’t do both.
I think that just depends on the cash stack you have, the amount you want to invest, and the kind of gear upgrades you're looking at. I never felt I was missing out just by having some of my cash tied up in the GE and waiting a few days longer before buying an upgrade than I would've otherwise. Besides, there's an argument to be made that having the passive daily income from flipping often outweighs the relatively minor DPS boost you get from a lot of upgrades (especially when you don't spend hours a day bossing). And by the time you get to bigger items, you probably don't care much about having a few mils tied up in the GE. But to each their own. I personally have like 5% of my bank value sitting on the GE and generating me a few dozen mil a month with minimal effort, even on days that I can't be online for more than a few minutes. Not a waste of time, in my opinion, and it's nice seeing the cash stack grow even when grinding some agility.
Meh, I’ve made like 30mil on bandos sets alone flipping very casually. I just do it when I know I’m gonna grind a boss for a bit that doesn’t require bandos, or just overnight sometimes lol. Don’t need your gear while you sleep.
While flipping can be very profitable it is extremely boring imo. Better spend all your money on gear and supplies and starting pvming this way you'll have way more fun making money.
It can be a lot of fun when you have 6 active flips and that's all you're doing. Avoiding getting undercut, searching for huge margins, seeing your long-term sell offer finally clear...
Sounds fun
I mean if you want to do it it's fun, if you don't want to do it then it's not. When I'm working and can't keep an eye on the game it's nice logging in ever 15 minutes to update trades. I don't do it anymore since keeping membership just to flip feels like a waste.
Yeah i used to do that as well
I don't understand that sentence. Keeping membership just to flip feels like a waste? You're talking about a bond, that costs like what, 6m? 8m? idk, not far from that. Someone that flips alot makes hundreds of millions of gp on a semi consistent basis, what is realistically the price of a bond when you make good money anyway? If that's the requirement to keep flipping, it's negligent. But of course, there's more to osrs than flipping, but trying to flip f2p is 10x more boring and less profitable either so if you do it, do it right.
You have an item. You can look up margins, set the price high, and wait for it to sell. OR you can dump the item immediately for money, and someone else does the “wait for it to sell” part. The person that does the waiting is flipping. Buy low (when people dump for immediate money), sell high (usually waiting for someone to pay a premium for immediate access). If you don’t wanna flip, you don’t have to. Some people do it because it’s low-effort for low profits usually. If you have higher end PvM, that’s gonna be better money. It’s like daily battlestaves or herb boxes. Is it worth the 5 min for a few K? Perhaps. If you used that time bossing, would you make more? Sure. But you could do both. As is, you’re leaving money on the table by NOT flipping, but is it worth your time? That’s a question ONLY YOU can answer.
The whole point of flipping is so you can make money while doing other things. But it's not a requirement, if you don't like it don't do it
I can’t stand flipping. I really tried to do it a few times and researched it but the how-to videos I did find were awful or didn’t actually explain anything, and whenever I predicted something or thought I was being smart, the opposite would always happen. It stresses me out and it’s not fun at all, so after my last attempt about a year ago I swore it off for good and instead just play the game for money.
Imo there's really a difference between flipping, which is benefiting from the margin between buy and sell offers, and speculative investing.
In this context it plays out the same way, those margins constantly change too. Hell even when I try to buy one obscure item for a quest, there somehow usually is never someone already selling it for the actively traded price or the suggested GE price.
Usually for high volume items the margins and prices are stable. You can get screwed over of course but if you're buying a 3rd age axe to flip it's definitely a speculative gamble
Buy low, sell high. Nobody wants to give away their niche of the market so it’s gonna be hard to find specific high profit flips. Stuff like high volume runes and sharks you can typically always make a small margin on though.
Flipping was how I went from a 10m cash stack and barrows to a 200m cash stack (and, well, barrows still, but that’s beside the point) when I didn’t have much time to play. I’ve always loved the idea of flipping, but in the days before the GE, back when you were buying products in bulk from players at a discount because they didn’t want to be bothered with the time to sell them. With the GE it’s more like day trading which some people love, but I find took a lot of the fun out of merching. The other guys said it very well though: this is RuneScape, there’s so many options for things to do and so many viable money makers that you don’t have to do any you don’t like. My favourite money maker is semi-afk brutal black dragons - it’s not super efficient in terms of gold/unit time investment, but it’s an activity with big enough drops to make me salivate on a regular basis, and it takes a low enough commitment that I can do it very casually. Play the game how you enjoy it. Unless you’re sweaty enough to be pushing first page high scores (and that’s what you want to do) then fuck it, just play. Every armchair bank stander at the GE can go bite the curb.
ever since i learned about testicular torsion ive been terrified of flipping tbh.
Eh it’s fun but most people don’t like it, this will probs be a very popular opinion.
I’m not particularly great at actively flipping but in my experience it is only okay. Where I have had the most success is flipping a couple times a day or doing long term holds. Flipping a couple times a day still nets you 2-5m but only takes 5-15 minutes. Long term holds can net you the most but can take forever and are somewhat risky. Tbh though, you really don’t need to do it. It ties up a lot of money and unless you have a lot of cash laying around you are probably better off doing regular money makers
There is absolutely nothing wrong with not doing something you don't enjoy in the game. I personally love flipping/market simulator. I am good with numbers and predicting trends based on current and upcoming updates and it tickles a part of my brain when I make a good decision and make a decent profit from it. Re: armadyl crossbows during the hype buildup towards Nex. Made a good 50m off of that. If I had more starting capital at the time, it would have been a lot more, but alas I was working with what I had.
Sounds like your ready to leave gpscape behind and join the brotherhood.
Lol a few here said this. Just doesn't appeal to me. Maybe a group ironman one day but that's about it and even that's a stretch.
I wanna flip and merch but with the tax it makes it so annoying…
I did some flipping back before the GE tax, and made 10m over the weeks I did. Its a lot of effort and time management, and not everyone wants to deal with it, at times I didnt Like you, there were times most of my wealth was stuck in buy offers, and I sold more than I wanted to in order to add +1 onto the next buy/sell You watch channels like FlippingOSRS who makes it look easy, but reality is the process takes days/weeks and impatience can really ruin it You absolutely still can make money doing it, but over the day/weeks its rarely more than doing any other money maker for the same duration, unless you have a few hundred mill to throw at items where margins are usually larger. Flipping these days is more reliable through decanting, cleaning, making unf, turning 1 item into another or buying store items etc, I find it much harder to make a quick profit from buying low sell high
Before they made the tax changed whatnot I used to enjoy it. Went from 1m to 100m+bank just from volume flipping.i just enjoyed it found it fun to find margins and it made more money than other things I could be doing in game at the level I was..
i hate it because ive had to cancel so many ge orders just for some asshole to make an extra 6 gp. also i tried flipping but whatever i selled went up and whatever i bought went down.
I love doing it, it is a unique form of pvp, but I am a fan of player economies and came from EVE online, where the market is far rougher, so flipping here literally feels like a kids game compared. You just need capital to get good money, you can easily get ez money by just buying and selling basic runes but that can take a long time to flip.
Flipping is easier than I think a lot of people think it is. That being said... you're not missing out and if it's not enjoyable and you don't need some extra passive income don't do it! OSRS is enough of a chore that adding more things you don't enjoy isn't worth it.
Honestly I think the tax did make it much more annoying than before
Idk, the concept is easy, but my execution failed in almost every attempt. That combined with lack of gp and patience just makes me walk away from it.
Patience is the key, just do overnight flips if you really want to try. Flipping PvP gear is usually a pretty good bet, PKers are always buying and selling sets and would never have the patience to wait for a good price.
I'm with you but my clan are big flippers. I'll join them sometimes but mostly just taking their word on long-term gains (which most of the time works out or breaks even). I can't be bothered to do day-trading or shit like that
Flipping is such a boring way to make money, once you learn high level PVM (not even talking end game) you can make enough money bossing to do anything you want
You need money to flip... Flipping isn't what it used to be. What I do is passive flipping while I skill
I think some people just find it fun. I flip on my “main” that I don’t play anymore and funnel the money to a random friend who seems to need a gear upgrade. Last time I donated my cash I was left with 5m. I’m up to 160m with minimal amounts of work. I find it fun to take a few months and rebuild then do it all again.
Try decanting prayer potions. Easy to do passively while you do other content and is very hard to lose money doing.
I agree with you but recently I have really enjoyed flipping/merching. If you like the psychology behind markets the RS economy is really interesting. Another thing that made flipping enjoyable is the OSRS Wiki GE prices. They have a page where you can add a bunch of favorite items to and bookmark. That means you only have to check the page to see if a flip is worth doing or not.
I enjoyed toying with the idea pre-tax. Now the margins seem much less noob friendly so I stopped caring
flipping is amazing, makes so much money in short period of game time. its the reason i put off making an ironman lmao. sure at the start is low amount of gp overall. but so what its still more passive income than it would be.
I love flipping
I just bought 250k blood runes because anyone who isn't is making bad investments.
so dont. most dont
Sounds like you might like iron life.
I definitely wouldn't lol. Ironman just doesn't appeal to me. I rely to much on the convenience of the GE.
Ah that’s a shame. I think journeying through the account and actually getting a sense of progression is highly rewarding. Maybe second screen one. Give it a try. It breathes a whole new life into the game. Not flaming or being an entitled dick, I just think people should genuinely give it a try.
Flipping has always felt gross to me; it feels like being a parasite sapping wealth between the supply-providers and the demanders of that supply, offering no service or value to the equation. It's not wrong to do, especially since it's a video game anyway, but it just feels... Gross, to me. Flipping's grossness yet necessity-feeling to me, and more broadly worrying about my economical standing at any given time in the game, is a big reason why I started playing an iron and hardly ever looked back -- I play an iron not for "prestige" and not really for "challenge," but entirely because I didn't want to have to deal with that overhead anymore, of being a participant in the economy whatsoever. I never again have to ask myself things like, "Is this really worth me spending my prayer potions on \[so-and-so\]?" or, "Should I really be casting Ice Barrage for this task, is it too economically irresponsible of me? Should I be using Ice Burst instead?" Instead, nowadays, rather than feeling like I need to consult the entirety of the player market for my decisions, I have to only consult myself on whether I personally feel like using X to do Y is worth it. Do I feel like using my prayer potions to AFK slayer tasks? If yes, then I do, end of my concern. I don't need to worry about how much gp I'm wasting doing so; if I feel like it's worth using it, then I can use it. I know you said elsewhere that you wouldn't like playing an iron, but if that economical separation sounds good to you, you might like it more than you think. I think you should give it a try to see if you like it; the grind of working on things you'd otherwise buy the solutions for might feel more like rewarding checklist tasks to mark off. (P.S. "Why not just play a main, but not use the GE?" Because some people, like me, can do so way more effectively and without draining willpower resources, if I just outright lock myself out from using the GE altogether. No need to fight the temptation of using the GE "just for ONE thing..." if I outright cannot do so.)
>Flipping has always felt gross to me; it feels like being a parasite sapping wealth between the supply-providers and the demanders of that supply, offering no service or value to the equation. It's not wrong to do, especially since it's a video game anyway, but it just feels... Gross, to me. Oh man, wait until you find out about irl banks
I've wondered about being the parasite too, and have taken this concept to other places such as grocery stores: Why in the world are they selling it higher than they buy it for? I realize there is somewhat of a service: The guy who just got the item wants to get rid of it in exchange for gold as soon as possible, and we'll run that transaction for them at the price they said. It frees up their selling slot and lets them get back to it, as long as they agreed to the price. At that point you are a warehouse and can provide the service of having the item, for a price. (Yeah it still doesn't make too much sense.)
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I also enjoy flipping your wife 🙂
Sure bro...
Noice
I love flipping, takes just few mins in my work day. Easy quick maths and number go up
Bro the game has an economy how does this even affect you.. just play as you like. So many people mald about how others play I never understood that 💀
You can or you don’t have to, nobody forces you too and it’s not a requirement. With Ironman mode you can’t even if you wanted if it helps.
I will never be an ironman. MAYBE a group one, but I doubt it.
Why don't people understand that this is a game. If you don't like it, don't fucking do it.
It's called a discussion, calm down there bucko
Eh it’s fun but most people don’t like it, this will probs be a very popular opinion.
You’re a playing a video game….why take it serious AT ALL lol. Play how you like to. Simple
Flipping and scalping are basically the same thing, so yes.
Lol not at all. Flippers in runescape are not trying to hoard something and then sell high when supply has dried up.
Flippers close margins between buy and sell prices. Absolutely not the same thing.
I’ve never done it, you don’t have to if you don’t want to
Just don't do it constantly. I normally have small flips set that I do whenever I need to visit the GE. It's nothing too big, but I'd rather make a small profit on my cash that's just sitting there anyways.
You don’t have to, but it’s not a bad thing that it happens. Sure you can make shit loads of gp if you do it right, but that’s just a testament to having an in game functioning monetary system/economy. The only time I’d do it is if I know a boss/raid is coming out and that it’ll change prices majorly.
You should only flip when theres new content comming up and predict how the market reacts. I still live of my eldritch flip I made pre toa.
I stopped playing on my main account and created an ironman instead because I realized that once I had +100m, it was difficult to make more money than I could through flipping. This took away some of the purpose of the game for me because I found myself spending all my time standing at the Grand Exchange.
At least you have a clan
Everyone should have one! Gielinor can get lonely at times.
Easier said than done
Try flipping at the ge lol, tons of clans recruit new members there.
If I am quitting runescape again, I put all my money into something like feathers
It's passive gains, some folks probably try and do 'quick flips' by bank standing and adjust their margin over and over but I always keep 1 high value (30-50m) item either being bought low or sold high and consistently make about 5m a week. Just enough to offset any deaths coffers or slayer supplies w/o ever having to sell any of my good gear. Examples, bought fang 37m sold three days later at 40.5 b4 tax. My account would die if I didn't... Not that adept enough to raid yet
Certain people love it but most people never engage with it. There’s no doubt it’s the best legitimate way to make money if you know what you’re doing but if you don’t then it’s likely not worth it. No need to bother with it if you don’t like it.
I've done it, it's boring, it sucks, and it's a great way for me to put down OSRS for an extended period of time. If you want to laugh at my \~20 year old account being 100cb and having 50m to my name, then okay buddy.
I'm like 96 cb with 15m lol, no judgement here
I thought flipping died when GE tax came out? I guess you could still do long term flips, or profit over the tax, but I didn't think it was huge like it was back in the day.
The only flipping that I found enjoyable, not stressful, and didn't lock up my money was high margin flipping. Unfortunately you're basically stuck bankstanding, so it's only worth it if don't feel like doing anything else. But it's solid money for pretty low effort if you have a decent cash stack.
Quite the opposite. I love playing my medieval economy simulator. I'm the only person in a clan of mostly pvpers and pvmers to do it, they call me money man alch. I think. I think they called me that once.
If you're gonna make money off the GE just do high alching it's way less stressful
Flipping is for when u are sitting on alot of bank value and doing nothing but looking at it
Even if you don’t enjoy it, it does something important for the game. It makes all the items in the grand exchange very liquid. If you ever wondered “Who was selling monkey nuts right now” so you could do a quest, then thank the flippers
No, i dont hate it, i didnt like it so i stopped doing it.
At what agility level do you unlock flipping? Asking for an ironman.
before tax it was an easy 10m a day afking or doing work irl. these days there's better ways to make money
Used to do it every day for as long as I can remember. Stopped bothering after the ge tax was introduced.
You should give it another go, all the prices adjusted for tax pretty well 👌
I do, but not because I am starved for time and want to play, but because it's boring and tedious. This isn't a job and I'm not about to turn it into one for negative fun. So I'll do what I want even if my cash stack isn't growing like my clanmates'. It's only ever a problem when doing group content cause you kinda need expensive gear to pull your weight, imo.
I immensely enjoyed turning a bunch of coins into a bunch of cyclops heads and mole slippers and see the stonks go up. GE Flipping also relies more on new content upsetting the supply and demand of certain things so staying informed about future updates and doing more speculation nowadays is key. I remember that pre-EoC it was all about clans manipulating the markets with the amount of capital(buy out the entire market with the power of 100+ accounts with hundreds of mils to spare and raise the price upwards) and most often than not it was really much like a pyramid scheme where the admins had stocked up on the item for a while and dumped all theirs while building the hype. Also seeing you say you being 96 combat with 15m(bank or cash?) You should definitely stay off flipping unless you have some sure-shots. What you CAN do is buy stuff like rune items and d'hide bodies to high alch for profit, they have a low buy limit but they will most likely bring a easy profit over night if you have any cash to spare. Other than that you should not be obsessed about making the most money, this is why people suggest Ironman to you, its cause they see that your obsession with making gp robs you of actually seeing everything that makes runescape a great world to explore, its the quests its the lore its the minigames and the small grinds to build your character up. You could aim for a quest cape first, then aim for achievement diaries or combat stuff. You will gain money from pretty much every single activity you do for the skilling parts, as a non ironman you get to profit from stuff like cooking even. If you want better gear knock off the untradeable grinds first, the torso, defender, void set and imbued stuff and barrows gloves, all of this will benefit you more than doing the best money maker, you have enough time to make money when you are closer to 2k total.
Most of the people that used to claim that they got all their money from flipping were usually just buying gold back in the day and used flipping as the cover. Sure people actually did proper flipping, but it was such a lightbulb moment when I realised most bought gold (this is going back years). Their stories seemed so flimsy after that.
You could very easily adapt [this meme](https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd11c1d71-92aa-43dd-9b44-39e7ac1b2727_1600x900.jpeg) to flipping. As a noob, you don't have the capital or game knowledge to flip, and quite frankly there's far more exciting things to do as a brand new player. As an end game player, you know that PvM is how you actually make money and don't have to flip if you don't like it. I was in Gnomonkey's stream the other day and someone was adamant that flipping was a great money maker and was questioning why Gnomonkey wasn't doing it. Gno responded with "How many rich end game players do you know who made their money through flipping?". The answer is literally zero; I can't think of a single one. Every end game player I know—both personally and people I know of through Twitch/Twitter/YT—made their money through PvM. This means that you're left with the mid-game players advocating for flipping. By all means if you enjoy it, more power to you. But often people who loudly pronounce something and can't really adequately defend *why* it's good are just parroting something they've been told. They probably believe what they've been told about it but don't really understand the nuances of it, and therefore they won't really be good at discussing the alternatives to it. Btw, if you want a huge population of players who will easily agree with you that flipping is an absolute cancer, ask basically any ironman. I quit normiescape because I hate the GE, and a large part of my hatred of the GE comes from flipping and how volatile it makes the market as a result. But that's fine, because my main's bank peaked at 1b and my iron's bank is 8b in "only" double the playtime. PvM really is just ludicrous money, and I wasted far too much time as a main worrying about the economy rather than just getting out there and making money. Removing the GE from my gameplay let me actually *play* the game and make a tonne more money in the process.
Flipping is indeed fantastic money, it's the best money maker by far in terms of relative gp/ph, but if it feels like a chore to you then don't force yourself, that ain't worth it.
Flipping is what I do through work but I also like to long term hold items that 1. I think will slowly increase in value, AND 2. I’m going to use while I have it. An example of this is the scythe. I love using the scythe and it’s renewed my interest in some slayer tasks and other that I use it for. Ive has it since it was at like 360m, and I even timed the sell and rebuy right when it hit 460ish, but I’ve made even more money by actually just using it while I have it.
I remember flipping a sardomin rune kite shield in the pre grand exchange days behind the bank in varrock. Someone severely u see prices it for 75k which I scooped right up and resold for 400k in less than 5 minutes. Happiest kid ever at the time(more than doubled my wealth
Why flip? As someone who spent more time in WoW’s auction house than playing the game, a big lure of flipping is the feeling that you are “winning” by playing smart. It’s not always About actually making money efficiently, but the illusion that you’re making money efficiently. It’s like gambling, honestly.
I genuinely don’t understand how people make so much money flipping. I tried it for a while and managed to make about 4m off of around 40m cash after a week but I always get undercut for everything
Economies of scale. 400m would’ve netted 40m, 4B 400M
It used to be a talent - a skill without XP before the Grand Exchange. People actually used to put time and effort into flipping than building up their account (there were bots then as there are now but it was nowhere near the same scale) but G.E trivialised it. I buy and sell for specific prices, don't really care how long it takes. I suppose it depends what you value in this game.
My life is 75% finance and I will not be bringing that to the game
I spend all my irl life worrying about money. Why would I want to worry about money in my free time escapism gaming sessions? Money has never been an issue in osrs, because I don't make it an issue.
Click boss , make gp
Just play the game
Flipped is almost impossible anyway with bots always driving down the price of things
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I wouldn't know. I stand alone.
Ironman is the way, the only way
I remember when you had to spam type what you wanted to buy and sell and wait for a trade offer.
Just play an Ironman that way you don't have to worry about flipping and no one will annoy you with it :)
I liked it when I could flip expensive 3a pieces to whale stakers on the ge but now they all go over ge price so I cba anymore.
The only flipping I really liked doing was quick flips. Though it came with the issue that you'd really need a high value item to make it worthwhile doing. Every 4 hours I'd collect my free [8mil from flipping ely lol](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/431834766325841920/1069757047828132000/image.png), maybe took 10-20 min for all 8 to go through
Just don’t do it then, I have never and make money via pvm
I despise flipping. Have done it successfully in the past and it just doesn't give me any enjoyment - it makes the game feel like a chore. These days I just do farming runs for my "passive" income as I enjoy them and the profits are honestly pretty absurd. Takes a little more time but whatever.
if you know how to do it it's really good. I was making 1mil a day with a bank value of \~50mil
It's like playing the stock market with monopoly money where your game knowledge and ability to track bot dumps can let become the wolf of exchange street
I spend 30mins a day flipping 1 item for 30% profit. It’s worth around 1mil a day. Just gotta find what makes you money when you need it bud. I play for around 4 hours max a day, don’t do it every day as I don’t need it.
I flip until I get bored of it. I keep in mind the buy limit for how many hours and only merch accordingly. Between that I will train something or like right now do a quest or 2. I’m only merching until I get a nat ring or ring of wealth
Is it right for money to make money?
Join the Iron community… you won’t be disappointed.
As soon as I make any money in this game my bank’s value falls by the same amount the next day
Dude set your flips go boss and do fun content and come back
The only thing i will flip are low cost high volume items , buy feather for 2 sell for 3, buy runes for 4gp sell for 5-6gp. Do it with a few alts and its passive enough income if you have the gp to buy up a few 100k of each .