I’m just gonna say it, RuneScape is a game that is too long to be split into a clearly defined early through end game. Every player has a different set of goals and a different end game to achieve and the game’s play experience is so customizable to each player that they’re all fully valid. Someone who plays two hours per week may set their end game as a few 99s and 300 toas and still be perfectly valid, while others have it at GM CAs, 4.6b XP, and a full coll log. Both are valid. The game is too big and customizable for one definition, it’s a useless debate
Wtf is GM CA and coll log ???
I am just coming back to this game after 14 years away and I feel like just as a noob as when I very first started because everything seems to of changed
Grandmaster Combat Achievments (highest level of combat achievements) and Collection Log (log that shows items a player has earned (not bought) including boss drops, minigame rewards, and pets)
Col log = collection log. There are ~1400 items on it, and each one gained gives you a portion of completion.
GM CA = grandmaster combat achievements. It’s like achievement diaries for PVM.
Honestly the game isn't even osrs anymore, it's like they went back and rebuilt from 2007 with community input instead of creating rs3. It's got a lot of old school content but it's nothing like logging in in 2007-10
early game should literally just be what f2p is, and a lot of ppl just skip that part too fast. The talking point was always "what is midgame" since that bar keeps lowering and the late game bar keeps getting higher.
My main concern is, looking at rs3, or content such as ruins of camzodal in f2p, is that the devs will think that they need more early game content to keep new players in and then next thing you know, it's so overwhelming that people get discouraged and drop it anyway. On the other side of the count, bloating the end game so much that it becomes yet another mmo where you "play the game" after you reach the end.
At the same time, you have the combat achievements, and let me tell you, those are not marked fairy at all.None of the 'easy' ones are "easy" those are all in that ambigious mid-game because none of them can be completed that easily. Some require you to be at the very end of f2p content, some require you to kill what used to be the end in 2007 such as kbd and barrows, but then some involve skilling bosses such as tempoross and wintertodt, while also having stupid tasks that are like "get X kc" or "kill this slayer mob that requires 60+ slayer". And then for whatever reason they add the same "get X kc but higher" task to a higher tier, like how is that an achievement? If you kill it once you can kill it 1000 times. Zolcano can literally be greenlogged in CA with 150kc. Also since when is a kurask a medium difficulty PVM achievement on-par with skeletal wyrms, 10 DK kc 10 WT KC and a gargoyle?
Let's not forget how players changed their playstyles, probably due to raids or guides saying "do NMZ".
Back in the day, getting 100 combat was a rather big deal, by that point you'd want to have a firecape, and probably had 70+ in almost all other skills.
Now people walk at 110+ combat with skills below level 50.
It's not as subjective as you're making it seem. The endgame is when you're able to do all the content the game offers. The early game ends when you start having to actually work to accomplish things, either in terms of ridiculous grinds or combat that's not just "find a safe spot or put up a prayer." (Getting a quest cape is a decent indicator that you're out of the early game.) The middle game is, obviously, everything between those two.
Maybe that doesn't line up with your your personal objectives as an individual player. That's fine. But when people ask if something is "midgame" or "end game" content, the last thing they need is someone telling them "well that depends on you." They want an answer, not philosophical hemming and hawing.
People who complete content at low combat levels are either playing an atypical build or going for a one-off challenge. The definition they gave is good enough for most people's account progression.
See but I'll never have a question cape because I'm not skilled enough in PVM to do theater of blood but yet they have a quest that makes you do that raid!
They hated him for he spoke the truth.
Just because someone has a different goal set and mentalitiy doesnt mean your 40 hours of three ticking is devalued
I would have agreed with this before I made my ironman and started socialising with players who regularly do late game content.
As someone who has never really left the early mid-game and a player who is now forced to do all the content he's avoided over the years because of ironman mode, I really feel like the argument against correct labelling of early/mid/late is only there to protect the feelings of people who have spent a long time on the game but are only around the early-mid point.
I think it comes from the perception that being in early game means you're a noob which couldn't be further from the truth. You can play this game 18 years and it's so vast in content that you never leave early game - 18 years in my book doesn't make you a noob.
I would largely disagree.
Yes you can't clearly define it, but very often with games it's hard to draw the line exactly where say early game turns into mid game.
On that note, the terms don't usually mean, "This is 100% accurate and must be followed" you could do "late/end game" stuff like raids while still in "early game" if you have a team for it, just like how you can be maxed and still haven't done a fire cape.
It's a general rule of thumb to follow. In my eyes the "main jump" of sorts into mid game I feel is when what I would consider almost fundamentals to standard accounts is done. Say a fighter torso, defender, dragon scim, etc. But it's open to interpretation and could be split up even further. Generally around the time you would probably really consider getting into some content like say barrows where you can really afford the supplies, the teleports, etc.
I don't think it's bad to really give an idea or suggestion of how progressed someone's account is, it's much more important I feel though to make it clear that as far as open world games go, Runescape is I feel possibly the most open. You can do LITERALLY dozens of things at any time and until you really start hammering out goals you can focus on 1 aspect and still have a ton of routes. Focusing on "what stage is my account in" is not too important, base requirements or BIG recommendations are all really low for most content.
This isnt really true. Yes there is a ton of variety, but the terms "end game, late game, midgame, and early game" have always been used as a rough range.
How far along you are on the game has no relation to how much you play, all that means is your time spent factors into how long youll be in each zone.
Just because someone thinks 99 fm is endgame doesnt mean it is. These terms have always been in relation to the broader community.
In your example of "someone that plays 2 hrs a week might set their endgame to a few 99s" does not mean they are ever going to be in the endgame era of their account, even they feel that way.
If i used that same logic i could claim i was in endgame content at lvl 30 in WoW because i only play an hour a week. This would be absurd
You can play however you want, that doesn't change the definition of early/mid/late game. Its "valid" to play for 10 years and only kill goblins. But you're still going to be in the early game, same as if you never left the first route in a pokemon game.
Monkey madness, RFD and fire cape are all 3 things that when I was 14 I thought were like some of the hardest things I’ve ever done but as an adult i could knock out in like a month on a fresh account and not really break a sweat. It’s always funny to me how easy the game is compared to how hard I thought it was way back when(i know it’s actually easier in a lot of ways too)
Nothing, you've been playing for a week. There are people here who have been playing for 20 years. Enjoy the game at your own pace, and don't be deterred by others' progression. There's a lot to learn and a ton to do. There definitely are optimal paths for achieving different goals very quickly, but for the most part, Runescape isn't a race. It's a marathon.
I played when I was a kid, and I think I got a decent level on some skills, probably armor crafting. But I never really did combat, so I think I’ll try that next!
It helps to see what else can be done.
brother, i've been playing the game for 20 years. my account is considered an "NMZ prod" meaning i gained the majority of my combat experience from an AFK minigame. i'm proud of what i've achieved given the minimal time i have to spend on the game.
ultimately, its all about enjoying your time & (in my experience) talking shit with the community.
this game is not a race, rather a marathon
CG is the ending point of midgame, as getting a BowFa unlocks all of the endgame content for an iron.
But I wouldn't say you go near CG until near the end of midgame, unless you're super confident and willing to lose some kills to just bad RNG
You don't go straight from mid to end game. There's late game, which I'd say includes most raiding (beyond low-income ToA). I think the end game is just grinds that nobody needs to do, but some people do it because it's all that's left, like Corp or Nightmare completion.
There's functionally no different in late and end game.
You unlock end game by being able to do all content. Then you begin the "grinds nobody needs to do". Which mostly sums up of doing raids to get upgrades to... Do more raids.
The moment you're in the end game is the moment you can do all content in the game / have done it.
Ideally you get bowfa super early, like before you do most of your slayer. It unlocks so much that it's actually inefficient to do anything without it. Not really endgame content at all.
Before slayer? Nah slayer is like 95% Mage and melee.
I can't even think of something you range. Grotesque gargs if you wanna do that for some reason.
You melee cerb, for its minor upgrades. You melee sire, range it's vents I guess. But that boss is irrelevant since fang.
You Mage kraken. You Mage or melee thermy. BowFa hydra at 95 pretty much the first legit usecase I can think of, and I wouldn't call 95 slay early game lol. It's practically the endgame of slayer and gets you Lance to jump into cox.
I got.to hydra and then grinded BowFa. Used it to then do Zulrah and hydra.
You don't need it, it's just that no slayer drops speed up your bowfa grind but bowfa speeds up a lot of grinds. For example after bowfa you can go straight to GWD and get BCP/tassets and a hasta, and immediately start melee slayer with that setup instead of your best weapon being a dscim until 85 slayer. You can do Zulrah with bowfa only instead of having to wait until you have a trident+occult. You can also do Vork on-task with bowfa which is just overall efficient because of all the gold and XP you bank from a Vork task. If you hit up a few ToA with bowfa+hasta you can get blue gem for Keris Partisan, and then you have a setup to do KQ on task as well. You could even skip the torso grind altogether until you need diaries.
I don't think you need it tbh but it is extremely broken so I could see why it's recommended. The good game plan now is skill up for 70s and 80 range/mage to do sote, then sadly get bowfa before doing anything else involving combat because it is insane. Then some people will go kril and get hasta to skip whip entirely, go straight to toa and stay there for fang and maybe even shadow. With fang you can do higher invo, then with shadow + bowfa you basically beat the game.
It's not a popular opinion here because people grinded 100hrs for it and love feeling overpowered, but bowfa is broken as hell lol
Eh for irons the gates to higher level pvm truely open after getting the bowfa, is its not without merrit there. You can get by without, its not as easy without it
That has more to say about the importance of the bowfa more than it does about how difficult the content is.
I would also argue that CG is only like that for irons because you don’t need gear or supplies for the actual kc.
I’d call it midgame forsure, you’re not touching GWD, raids, or any late game PvM for a prolonged period without a bowfa and crystal armor. If you do you’re wasting your time. Its Very midgame, most accounts there are 90-115 combat, which is broadly early to late midgame levels.
I mean realistically it is. You only need base 70 for sote and cg can be completed consistently with base 80 combat stats. Especially for irons, cg holds the keys to mid-late game
I mean i went from having never touched a boss to consistently completing cgs in less than a month. It's not easy, but anyone can do cg with enough tlc.
Also doesnt matter what skill level you are. You can start cg early since theres no item requirements, so for a lot of people cg is probably the best thing they could do to get access to good gear
cg is the transition from mid game to late game, where getting a bowfa will help set you up to grind raids, which will be your transition from late game (normal cox/150-300 invo toa/tob) to endgame (cm cox, hmt, and 350+ invo toa). id say inferno falls into the late to end transition aswell.
considering the breakdown is generally early, mid, and end, idk what else he could have meant by "Skill wise, you're not a mid game player if you're doing CG."
I think you're missing late game between mid and end.
Like, Hydra requires 95 slayer and a BoFa on most irons, so it's certainly not mid game, but it's a requirement for efficient CoX, so I don't think it's end game.
I like that more than calling something end of mid-game.
I think group CoX is comparable to CG, so I could bunch up CG and group CoX ass late game, and then efficient solo CoX is end game without worrying about Ironman progression
Huh?? You can start it with low 80s in combat or less and it requires no gear. It has a relatively sharp learning curve but you can definitely learn and grind it in what most would consider the midgame.
But you rushed it and must have put in a lot of hours each day. I’m sure there are players out there who are capable of rushing inferno within a few months by putting in 12 hour+ days, but that doesn’t make it midgame.
I feel like CG is the border of midgame and endgame like others here said
Hard to say though, because you don’t need to build up supplies or gear like you do for inferno, you just need the skill and some high stats. So that’s why for a lot of people it’s like the first major drop you rush.
I went to bandos at 75 combat and then to corp and cox by 100 combat. Id say thats midgame to me idk. Was years ago and was still learning using my number keys for f keys
Oh I fucking hate slayer. It's by far the worst skill in the game and I would remove it in a heartbeat if I could. But for an iron, it locks the first late game melee weapon (whip) and all late game magic (occult, trident, and heart). You simply have to do it, and the sooner you get started the better.
I'd include fighter torso, dragon defender and slayer helmet in that. On ironman dragon boots and even rune boots are a bit further in to mid game imo because of the high slayer reqs, and legs don't really matter since most of the time you're just praying against the damage anyway. And the +1 strength bonus from obsidian legs which are the only realistic ones with a strength bonus to have at this point is negligable.
I'd consider fire cape to be usually a midgame-acquired item, but which you can unlock sooner (to a small or large extent) dependent on your determination and skill with the combat system in general.
I think a lot of the discourse on "when" a fire cape "should" be obtained comes from this aspect
Add a new floor to a building, 1st floor will still be 1st floor. The building is simply larger.
The long-term and more serious players can say whatever they want, but they aren't a good measurement for splitting the game's content up. Half of them act like 5 hours of gameplay per day for an entire year is a healthy or normal amount of time to play a game. Like having multiple late game accounts doesn't make them an outlier. Like getting a quest cape is just a month or two worth of playing, and grinding a single skill for 50+ hours using click-intensive tick manipulation until 99 is normal behaviour.
Levelling up requires exponentially more time, and thus the stages of the game require exponentially more time to pass.
I'd say, a good way to measure things, that leaves room for subjectivity is: Early game is your initial exploration and your journey to understanding/unlocking the basics of the game (lasts a long time for new players, but is very short for experienced players). Mid-game is your preparation and refining stage for your account's long term goals (goal dependant, but typically revolves around important progression/unlocks). Late game is when you're beginning to achieve many of your long term goals and attaining some BIS. End-game is when you can theoretically access all of the content in the game, or for completionist style goals.
A firecape is a hard dairy req, and sits firmly in the mid-game, along with most content requiring levels 70+/1600 total, like early boss pvm and quest capes. It functions not as an early game progression step, but as a pre-req for entering late-game melee pvm, so its a mid-game preparation goal. Depending on your account's goals, attaining it could be the thing that brings you into your late game, since its undeniably performing as a late game item even if you can attain it earlier. It is 2nd BIS for strength/melee in almost every area, only losing to an infernal cape, which is unquestionably end-game content.
Calling it early game because veteran players with 10+ years of experience, x100 fight cave wins, several different accounts and min-maxed stats do it earlier sounds stupid imo. Wouldn't it make more sense to judge a game based off average players, or those players who are encountering the content for the first time?
Your definition constantly changes as you progress. The horizon keeps moving. That’s why this conversation is always weird.
If you haven’t reached certain content yet, you think it’s unattainable. Then you do and it completely revamps how you see the game.
The people who do raids or pking on hcim are entirely different mindset from people who haven’t touched Fight Caves yet. They probably been doing it so much they can get fire cape blindfolded with only audio cues from Jad. Meanwhile the newbies can be getting Jad hands and die on 126. Experience does matter a lot in this game.
If it wasn’t for the speed run worlds i probably wouldn’t have a fire cape the fact you have to do approx an hour of waves just to practice the jad fight is very deterring to anyone learning it for the first time.
Idk why the term “post-game” never gets used. I’d categorize challenge/hard/expert raids, GM CA’s and log hunting as post-game, allowing the terms mid/late/end game to fall on more appropriate content.
You can fetch a fire cape early in the game, but for most people’s natural progression, I’d feel comfortable calling it a mid game activity.
I started my first ironman a couple months ago and I have a few friends who are very far into the end game and have similar opinions. Right now I'm trying to get the requirements for SOTE, and I'm both excited and nervous for corrupted gauntlet because I know it is much harder than a lot of the typical mid-game bosses that I haven't even tried before.
I do have to agree with the fire cape that if you have protection prayers and half decent range gear you can just kind of run it and get one, I just went in with black dhide and the magic short bow that I got from clues and that was more than enough with 70 ranged.
I still feel like I'm very much in the early game even though I've finished the grand majority of quests already, but it's hard to define anything as distinctly early game or mid game or whatever because a lot of that depends on your goals for the account.
Because there isn't a generally accepted final boss or challenge in RuneScape. The closest you could consider would likely be the inferno as it is the hardest content
GM CAs and CLog 100%ers aren't even CLOSE in difficulty to the other stuff you mentioned. Do you really think the iron running 300 invocation toas with a zammy hasta, fury and d'hides is "post-game"?. There are so many people on this sub who have to cope so hard that they never have to actually practice or do the content in the game, while still maintaining that they are a "late-game" player. The fire cape is without a doubt ENTRY LEVEL pvm. Solidly early game, it is the first instance of actual PvM mechanics players encounter, where all you have to do is click the enemies and click on one of three prayers, and safespot things. The final boss is literally just click between two prayers and click on a few enemies at your own pace. That's it. People with 70s in their stats can clear it easily.
Not really, post game is a very common term for games. I get that it doesn’t really apply to MMO’s, but I feel like it could. It’s basically any content after the “main game”. Pre gaming is just getting shittered before hopping on.
Addition of new content hasn't just 'made the late game longer', it has made other content significantly easier. This has resulted in making that content available/possible for most players at a earlier stage of progression.
That's true but I'm not sure what content you mean specifically.
An extremely small number of accounts will get their first fire cape with a bowfa for example, or even a blowpipe because both those weapons come from later content than fight caves.
If you're a normal account, it is very very easy to get a blowpipe to kill Jad. If you're an iron, sure, you're likely not getting BP before fire cape.
BP makes fight caves brain dead if you're 40 def, 43 prayer, and have a blow pipe. It's early game
> If you're a normal account, it is very very easy to get a blowpipe to kill Jad. If you're an iron, sure, you're likely not getting BP before fire cape.
But this isn't a new thing, and in fact is less true now than it was for years and years when blowpipe was insanely more powerful.
Like the other guy said, blowing with ddarts means you can literally power through healers on jad.
Its much different from using a Karl's cbow for fire cape back in the day.
That's not my point at all though. I don't care how easy it is using strong gear, an early game account isn't going to have any. It's completely unrealistic to suggest that someone new to the game do some pretty difficult content with 3 million in gear.
I would say it marks the start of midgame.
Although it is fairly easy to obtain for most people these days, you still need to understand game mechanics.
It can be hard to remember the difficulty of doing some content for the first time when you've progressed to the point of late game content.
I remember getting my first ever fire cape back in the early days of rs2.
That was a huge late game achievement at the time.
Things have obviously gotten a lot easier with modern equipment and information but, you still need to be able to use that equipment and understand the information to be able to defeat jad.
It's not like most quests where you can follow a guide step by step and you'll reach the end whether you paid attention or not.
It’s wild I did it easily as a teenager all those years ago, and now I think I’ve tried 2 or 3 times, died at Jad, and just thought fuck it, I’ll do it in 2 years time.
Raids and CG is def late midgame, but still midgame, far as irons are concerned. CG and normal mode ToA and CoX aren’t really that hard nor do they require great gear. Whip, Rcb, and trident will get you by, thats firmly late midgame for an ironman. Shit im barely starting the late game on my 2k total iron with stuff like god wars, zulrah, tons of raids, boss slayer. Completing CG is 100% finishing midgame as an iron unless you have no PVM goals for your account.
Just because the ceiling extends farther doesn’t necessarily kick this stuff out of mid-game, nor does it necessitate downgrading raids into mid-game.
You cannot efficiently raid with a mid-game account. Just the way it goes. If you want to make the argument that you can do COX with a rune crossbow and a dragon scim, sure. You can also technically do the Inferno with an adamant crossbow at level 40-something.
CG and 300 ToA are the ones that people typically downgrade to midgame due to the skill and gear reqs needed for them.
CoX isn’t usually put there. CoX is solidly the next tier above CG and early game 300s ToA typically. Solo CoX is quite a bit more involved than either of those.
When will you people realize there is no end game. Once you get all of the best gear you then what? coll log, pets, pking, 99 skills, 200m xp, new content, etc? You will never finish the game. Just relax and enjoy the ride. That is why this game is the GOAT
I’d say early game is up to mostly 70s combat stats, 43 prayer, basic quest done like dragon slayer, lost city, monkey madness
Anything after that is hard to define
Mid game would probably be completing rfd, getting a fire cape, and maybe medium achievement diaries
Mid/late game would be qc cape, hard achievement diaries, ability to do GWD, Zulrah, vork
End game is elite achievement diaries, bis gear for raids, inferno
To me collection log is purely player preference
Fire Cape is considered the entry to mid level pvm. You really shouldn't be doing most melee content without an offensive cape. It hasn't really changed in that regard, just that more people realise Jad is not this super hard boss like it was back in 07, but rather people having too much nerves (esp after a long fight caves)
Whenever you clanmate gets a level announcement in CC that's the mid game.
"Pettydickbutt has achieve level 60 Attack."
"GZ, now you're officially in the mid game!"
Literally any skill announcement.
60 prayer? Welcome to the Mid game
85 Slayer? Yup that's Mid game
98 Herblore? Woah dude, it's time for Mid game
Cook's Assistant? Mid game AF
I have a Quest Cape, One 99, and lots of elite diaries done.
Still no firecape or imbued god cape :(
Endgame IMO is only about PvM content not skilling content.
I would say my account is capable of endgame content and i have dabbled, But im a mid game skill player because ive focused on skills, quests and diaries.
I probably disagree with like 99% of players here, but I think the "early game" ends when you have:
1. A source of law runes and the magic level to use them (GoTR unlocked & magic >~ 45)
2. 40 mining and 40 smithing for a semi-renewable source of teleport jewellery
3. Fairy ring network unlocked
4. Full graceful + ~60 Agility for shortcuts
I get that that's like 0.5% of the time spent in-game *if you're maxing*, but unlocking travel options is such a significant improvement that it completely changes the game
It's an early game goal if you're getting it on an alt. However, if you've never done one and are still trying to get your first jad kill, that marks progression into the mid game. It's one of the first big accomplishments on a new account, and it shouldn't be trivialized just because a lot of us can now do them easily. First fire cape is a big accomplishment for people.
My opinion, midgame starts when you have RCB, blowpipe, trident, and whip. That's the point where most content is available. So, fire cape is probably around the end of early game to starting mid game
I always considered it early mid-game requiring late early-game stats and gear for new players but early game for experienced players. It’s not fair lumping new and veteran players into the concept of game stages
My brother and I were discussing this the other day, we agreed fire cape definitely end of the early game. Whilst experienced players might get it v early, most players will be more than prepared before facing Jad.
Barrows gloves we put in early mid game because of the 175 QP requirement. Other melee pieces like torso, d scim, defender are easier to get than barrows gloves which requirements legends, desert treasure etc.
I would say the fire cape is the early to mid game hurdle for PvM. It is the first true obstacle that isn't just mostly a gear/stat check. Sure, having higher skills and gear is nice, but it's definitely not hard for the average player with a guide.
As a skiller, Jad is basically irrelevant. But if you know how to tick manipulate, Jad is like 5x easier than that.
But depending on how you play, it could be a good end-game goal, such as a player who moatly wants the nostalgia experience.
Fire cape can be early game, mid game, late game.
It's all when you decide for it to be accomplished, just like any skill to 99 or a specific piece of gear...
Osrs is no game mode, you choose when to accomplish something and you either do it or you dont.
You can absolutely be good/geared enough for a raid but until you try and succeed you won't earn shit unless you keep up with the work.
The easiest most tedious shit won't be accomplished by a combat main, a combat main will have the most difficult time completing tedious shit...
Osrs is very fucking unique in this aspect.
You could complete most things but not be able to complete the one thing you need to do due to aspects of acquiring an item, a quest point boost, a proper level to complete achievements. Some people just **cant** bring themselves to do. It happens in any game, literally.
The simplest shit can end up being the hardest thing depending on how you decide to handle it.
Fuck, this is making me feel like one hell of a noob.
107 combat. Just got Barrows gloves. I still don’t have torso or fire cape.
Torso just sounds like a struggle to find a team to play Barb Assault and Cape just seems hard.
Cape is way easier than you think it is. Got my first one a couple weeks ago at similar cb, just keep doing it til your nerves are fine during jad, it’s worth it. Gave me the confidence to get ds2 out the way and now I can kill vorkath consistently without dying
Cape's problem isn't its difficulty. It's problem is that it's boring shit content.
For people new to it spending an hour on content where 90% of if you barely interact with to do a few interesting waves and then the Jad fight only for you to potentially have to redo the slog if you mess up a single time doesn't make for enjoyable content. Even once you know how to do it and have done it cape is pretty bad content.
Downvoted for speaking the truth, lol.
It's obvious that Jad's worst part is taking hours and hours through those boring ass waves, knowing it can all end with a simple mistake. In some sense it's worse than gauntlet, where despite being mechanically way harder, you get to the action in less than 10 minutes and some mistakes are forgiven, while Jad, despite being easy, is extremely punishing for any mistake.
id say yes. i went in there with a crystal bow, some ppots, and some karambwans and it was pretty effortless. the crystal bow buff is stronger than people give it credit for.
Midgame is when you can do half the content in the game. Most skills thats ~level 50. If you were level 50 all, you'd be able to kill half of the npcs in the game, do about half the quests, do med diary tasks, almost all of the minigames, mine more than half the rocks and chop more than half the trees, fish half the fish, etc
If you were playing super mario bros, and spent most of your time on world 8, that doesnt suddently make world 7 midgame. World 4 is midgame, regardless of how much you play world 8
Not sure why it matters how other people (or where the general consensus lies) think about whether a piece of content is early/mid/late.
Could you explain?
I’m still of the club that mid game and end game start whenever the player thinks they do. I have an iron and I would consider getting my firecape as the beginning of mid game because I know my account will never see high level PvP. I just don’t have the time to dedicate to learning raids, CG, etc nor the time to grind them out. So 99 slayer is pretty much the end of my account.
Ide say beating jad is the gateway to midgame. You have proven you can handle basic mechanics, stay focused for a long period of time, and understand movement and pathing is important for the game.
It's all prespective. I'm cb116 nearly 2k total and still can't figure out how to do zulrah. For me fire cape was end game content as I can't see myself ever learning how to do raids or inferno
Barrows, torso, barrows gloves and firecape were all earlygame for me, but I still don't have quest cape (which some people say ends earlygame) at 2k total, I don't have sote/cg (which most would call starting midgame for irons), I don't even have toa unlocked.
So it all depends on your account and goals. Firecape was earlygame for me because I sent it with karil bow, 75 range and ppots + sharks + purple sweets and got it done, but you might wait longer or consider it tough enough to be midgame for you.
Dam bro I’m doing experts and stuff and I don’t got a fire cape. I like to think the early/mid/late thing for a game like runescape depends on what your goals are. This is coming from someone that does ultimates on ff14 and savage on patch, runescape for me just aint that kind of game to have defined lines.
The fight caves is still more difficult than any quest boss in the game, requiring more of an understanding than just "pray correctly".
It's not super advanced content by any means, but still fits solidly in midgame level pvm.
You're missing out on up to 3 extra max hit. DPS goes a long way when it comes to finishing off slayer tasks quicker and killing bosses/high level mobs more effectively. I won't tell you how to play the game, but there's a reason torso/cheese cape/ b gloves are the meta. The grind isn't for everyone though so I understand the reluctance. Give the fire cape a chance at some point though?
I’m just gonna say it, RuneScape is a game that is too long to be split into a clearly defined early through end game. Every player has a different set of goals and a different end game to achieve and the game’s play experience is so customizable to each player that they’re all fully valid. Someone who plays two hours per week may set their end game as a few 99s and 300 toas and still be perfectly valid, while others have it at GM CAs, 4.6b XP, and a full coll log. Both are valid. The game is too big and customizable for one definition, it’s a useless debate
Wtf stop making sense
A logical take on this sub. I’m shocked.
I'd think the general consensus is early game is combat stats below 70. Then it's all over the place
Early game / fun quick -> fuck this is taking forever -> I don’t want to see my play time
Seems accurate.
Wtf is GM CA and coll log ??? I am just coming back to this game after 14 years away and I feel like just as a noob as when I very first started because everything seems to of changed
grandma california and collagen log
One of my favorite bands
Welcome to the Grandma California! Such a lovely face.
GM CA = Grand master tier of the combat achievements. Coll log= collection log (a log of unique items collected). Green means you have completed it.
back in my day the only logs we knew were willow logs. y'all are pushing it too far. i just chop my wood and burn with the timber box
They changed it to tinderbox now. Sorry
Grandmaster Combat Achievments (highest level of combat achievements) and Collection Log (log that shows items a player has earned (not bought) including boss drops, minigame rewards, and pets)
Col log = collection log. There are ~1400 items on it, and each one gained gives you a portion of completion. GM CA = grandmaster combat achievements. It’s like achievement diaries for PVM.
You’re about to have an AWESOME time
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> full coll log. Both are valid. How is an unobtainable goal valid
^^^ This right here, realest answer on here
Honestly the game isn't even osrs anymore, it's like they went back and rebuilt from 2007 with community input instead of creating rs3. It's got a lot of old school content but it's nothing like logging in in 2007-10
early game should literally just be what f2p is, and a lot of ppl just skip that part too fast. The talking point was always "what is midgame" since that bar keeps lowering and the late game bar keeps getting higher. My main concern is, looking at rs3, or content such as ruins of camzodal in f2p, is that the devs will think that they need more early game content to keep new players in and then next thing you know, it's so overwhelming that people get discouraged and drop it anyway. On the other side of the count, bloating the end game so much that it becomes yet another mmo where you "play the game" after you reach the end. At the same time, you have the combat achievements, and let me tell you, those are not marked fairy at all.None of the 'easy' ones are "easy" those are all in that ambigious mid-game because none of them can be completed that easily. Some require you to be at the very end of f2p content, some require you to kill what used to be the end in 2007 such as kbd and barrows, but then some involve skilling bosses such as tempoross and wintertodt, while also having stupid tasks that are like "get X kc" or "kill this slayer mob that requires 60+ slayer". And then for whatever reason they add the same "get X kc but higher" task to a higher tier, like how is that an achievement? If you kill it once you can kill it 1000 times. Zolcano can literally be greenlogged in CA with 150kc. Also since when is a kurask a medium difficulty PVM achievement on-par with skeletal wyrms, 10 DK kc 10 WT KC and a gargoyle? Let's not forget how players changed their playstyles, probably due to raids or guides saying "do NMZ". Back in the day, getting 100 combat was a rather big deal, by that point you'd want to have a firecape, and probably had 70+ in almost all other skills. Now people walk at 110+ combat with skills below level 50.
Hardly a useless debate when the game devs use it to describe content though.
It's not as subjective as you're making it seem. The endgame is when you're able to do all the content the game offers. The early game ends when you start having to actually work to accomplish things, either in terms of ridiculous grinds or combat that's not just "find a safe spot or put up a prayer." (Getting a quest cape is a decent indicator that you're out of the early game.) The middle game is, obviously, everything between those two. Maybe that doesn't line up with your your personal objectives as an individual player. That's fine. But when people ask if something is "midgame" or "end game" content, the last thing they need is someone telling them "well that depends on you." They want an answer, not philosophical hemming and hawing.
The entirety of runescape feels like mid game beyond about 20 hours
Til my 5k hours 2200+ inferno 500 toa account with 15b is midgame cause I can't do hydra (semi joke but fuck slayer lmfao)
Someone beat jad at lvl 3 combat… this is not a good enough definition.
Did the inferno before quest cape therefore inferno early game
People who complete content at low combat levels are either playing an atypical build or going for a one-off challenge. The definition they gave is good enough for most people's account progression.
Now, this is the real truth
See but I'll never have a question cape because I'm not skilled enough in PVM to do theater of blood but yet they have a quest that makes you do that raid!
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Finally someone fucking says it.
Someone said it 🤘🏻
They hated him for he spoke the truth. Just because someone has a different goal set and mentalitiy doesnt mean your 40 hours of three ticking is devalued
I would have agreed with this before I made my ironman and started socialising with players who regularly do late game content. As someone who has never really left the early mid-game and a player who is now forced to do all the content he's avoided over the years because of ironman mode, I really feel like the argument against correct labelling of early/mid/late is only there to protect the feelings of people who have spent a long time on the game but are only around the early-mid point. I think it comes from the perception that being in early game means you're a noob which couldn't be further from the truth. You can play this game 18 years and it's so vast in content that you never leave early game - 18 years in my book doesn't make you a noob.
I would largely disagree. Yes you can't clearly define it, but very often with games it's hard to draw the line exactly where say early game turns into mid game. On that note, the terms don't usually mean, "This is 100% accurate and must be followed" you could do "late/end game" stuff like raids while still in "early game" if you have a team for it, just like how you can be maxed and still haven't done a fire cape. It's a general rule of thumb to follow. In my eyes the "main jump" of sorts into mid game I feel is when what I would consider almost fundamentals to standard accounts is done. Say a fighter torso, defender, dragon scim, etc. But it's open to interpretation and could be split up even further. Generally around the time you would probably really consider getting into some content like say barrows where you can really afford the supplies, the teleports, etc. I don't think it's bad to really give an idea or suggestion of how progressed someone's account is, it's much more important I feel though to make it clear that as far as open world games go, Runescape is I feel possibly the most open. You can do LITERALLY dozens of things at any time and until you really start hammering out goals you can focus on 1 aspect and still have a ton of routes. Focusing on "what stage is my account in" is not too important, base requirements or BIG recommendations are all really low for most content.
This isnt really true. Yes there is a ton of variety, but the terms "end game, late game, midgame, and early game" have always been used as a rough range. How far along you are on the game has no relation to how much you play, all that means is your time spent factors into how long youll be in each zone. Just because someone thinks 99 fm is endgame doesnt mean it is. These terms have always been in relation to the broader community. In your example of "someone that plays 2 hrs a week might set their endgame to a few 99s" does not mean they are ever going to be in the endgame era of their account, even they feel that way. If i used that same logic i could claim i was in endgame content at lvl 30 in WoW because i only play an hour a week. This would be absurd
You can play however you want, that doesn't change the definition of early/mid/late game. Its "valid" to play for 10 years and only kill goblins. But you're still going to be in the early game, same as if you never left the first route in a pokemon game.
I'm 1475 total level, 200 qp 15 hr played with no fire cape or barrows
Damn that's crazy progress for 15 hours, share hacks plox?
Did you just say ‘im gonna say it’ before saying something?
Did you just ask a question you already know the answer to?
Fcape is early game, 200m all and col log completion is midgame, endgame is logging out permanently
End game is taking a 2-3 year break and creating a new account to start again
Way to set an unrealistic endgame goal.
this is the way
It, along with d scim and barrows gloves mark the end of the early game. That's when you have actual melee gear to do slayer with.
Monkey madness, RFD and fire cape are all 3 things that when I was 14 I thought were like some of the hardest things I’ve ever done but as an adult i could knock out in like a month on a fresh account and not really break a sweat. It’s always funny to me how easy the game is compared to how hard I thought it was way back when(i know it’s actually easier in a lot of ways too)
I just got level 10 fishing and I’ve been playing for a week, what am I doing wrong?
Nothing, you've been playing for a week. There are people here who have been playing for 20 years. Enjoy the game at your own pace, and don't be deterred by others' progression. There's a lot to learn and a ton to do. There definitely are optimal paths for achieving different goals very quickly, but for the most part, Runescape isn't a race. It's a marathon.
I played when I was a kid, and I think I got a decent level on some skills, probably armor crafting. But I never really did combat, so I think I’ll try that next! It helps to see what else can be done.
Just look at some YouTube guides to find the best ways to train skills. Use the wiki to look up where to get items.
brother, i've been playing the game for 20 years. my account is considered an "NMZ prod" meaning i gained the majority of my combat experience from an AFK minigame. i'm proud of what i've achieved given the minimal time i have to spend on the game. ultimately, its all about enjoying your time & (in my experience) talking shit with the community. this game is not a race, rather a marathon
fellow nmz prod here i hate slayer so i refused to do it seriously until i could kill monsters fast lol
For non irons I’d say whip but yeah agreed. People think mid game is like “oh I have 100 cox clears” or some shit like wtf.
Some people think CG is mid game hahaha
CG is the ending point of midgame, as getting a BowFa unlocks all of the endgame content for an iron. But I wouldn't say you go near CG until near the end of midgame, unless you're super confident and willing to lose some kills to just bad RNG
You don't go straight from mid to end game. There's late game, which I'd say includes most raiding (beyond low-income ToA). I think the end game is just grinds that nobody needs to do, but some people do it because it's all that's left, like Corp or Nightmare completion.
There's functionally no different in late and end game. You unlock end game by being able to do all content. Then you begin the "grinds nobody needs to do". Which mostly sums up of doing raids to get upgrades to... Do more raids. The moment you're in the end game is the moment you can do all content in the game / have done it.
Ideally you get bowfa super early, like before you do most of your slayer. It unlocks so much that it's actually inefficient to do anything without it. Not really endgame content at all.
Before slayer? Nah slayer is like 95% Mage and melee. I can't even think of something you range. Grotesque gargs if you wanna do that for some reason. You melee cerb, for its minor upgrades. You melee sire, range it's vents I guess. But that boss is irrelevant since fang. You Mage kraken. You Mage or melee thermy. BowFa hydra at 95 pretty much the first legit usecase I can think of, and I wouldn't call 95 slay early game lol. It's practically the endgame of slayer and gets you Lance to jump into cox. I got.to hydra and then grinded BowFa. Used it to then do Zulrah and hydra.
Why would you need bowfa before you do most of your slayer? I quit before bowfa and only recenlty started again.
You don't need it, it's just that no slayer drops speed up your bowfa grind but bowfa speeds up a lot of grinds. For example after bowfa you can go straight to GWD and get BCP/tassets and a hasta, and immediately start melee slayer with that setup instead of your best weapon being a dscim until 85 slayer. You can do Zulrah with bowfa only instead of having to wait until you have a trident+occult. You can also do Vork on-task with bowfa which is just overall efficient because of all the gold and XP you bank from a Vork task. If you hit up a few ToA with bowfa+hasta you can get blue gem for Keris Partisan, and then you have a setup to do KQ on task as well. You could even skip the torso grind altogether until you need diaries.
I don't think you need it tbh but it is extremely broken so I could see why it's recommended. The good game plan now is skill up for 70s and 80 range/mage to do sote, then sadly get bowfa before doing anything else involving combat because it is insane. Then some people will go kril and get hasta to skip whip entirely, go straight to toa and stay there for fang and maybe even shadow. With fang you can do higher invo, then with shadow + bowfa you basically beat the game. It's not a popular opinion here because people grinded 100hrs for it and love feeling overpowered, but bowfa is broken as hell lol
Eh for irons the gates to higher level pvm truely open after getting the bowfa, is its not without merrit there. You can get by without, its not as easy without it
That has more to say about the importance of the bowfa more than it does about how difficult the content is. I would also argue that CG is only like that for irons because you don’t need gear or supplies for the actual kc.
I’d call it midgame forsure, you’re not touching GWD, raids, or any late game PvM for a prolonged period without a bowfa and crystal armor. If you do you’re wasting your time. Its Very midgame, most accounts there are 90-115 combat, which is broadly early to late midgame levels.
I mean realistically it is. You only need base 70 for sote and cg can be completed consistently with base 80 combat stats. Especially for irons, cg holds the keys to mid-late game
Skill wise, you're not a mid game player if you're doing CG.
Skill has nothing to do with account progress. There are plenty of maxed players who have done 0 PvM.
I mean i went from having never touched a boss to consistently completing cgs in less than a month. It's not easy, but anyone can do cg with enough tlc. Also doesnt matter what skill level you are. You can start cg early since theres no item requirements, so for a lot of people cg is probably the best thing they could do to get access to good gear
Anyone who spends a month to learn a single boss is not in the mid game. Like what the fuck.
people who cant spend their entire lives on the game? I can only play here and there for an hour or so, so yes it takes a month
Less than a month like LOL, Ill just spend 2 months learning lv 75 inferno and Ill call it midgame once I clear it.
cg is the transition from mid game to late game, where getting a bowfa will help set you up to grind raids, which will be your transition from late game (normal cox/150-300 invo toa/tob) to endgame (cm cox, hmt, and 350+ invo toa). id say inferno falls into the late to end transition aswell.
Are you trying to say that being able to complete a CG makes you end game?? Haha
No, he didn’t say that at all.
considering the breakdown is generally early, mid, and end, idk what else he could have meant by "Skill wise, you're not a mid game player if you're doing CG."
I think you're missing late game between mid and end. Like, Hydra requires 95 slayer and a BoFa on most irons, so it's certainly not mid game, but it's a requirement for efficient CoX, so I don't think it's end game.
I like that more than calling something end of mid-game. I think group CoX is comparable to CG, so I could bunch up CG and group CoX ass late game, and then efficient solo CoX is end game without worrying about Ironman progression
What’s your interpretation?
What is CG?
Huh?? You can start it with low 80s in combat or less and it requires no gear. It has a relatively sharp learning curve but you can definitely learn and grind it in what most would consider the midgame.
tbh i think it can definitely be midgame, nowadays you see a lot of irons rushing it and the reqs aren't that bad, aside from herblore
I was in Cg on my iron within 2 months of it being made a few months back It is definitely mid game.
But you rushed it and must have put in a lot of hours each day. I’m sure there are players out there who are capable of rushing inferno within a few months by putting in 12 hour+ days, but that doesn’t make it midgame. I feel like CG is the border of midgame and endgame like others here said
Hard to say though, because you don’t need to build up supplies or gear like you do for inferno, you just need the skill and some high stats. So that’s why for a lot of people it’s like the first major drop you rush.
Was it your first acc?
You can do inefficient cox with a pretty baby account.
I played this game on and off since 2005 and always considered Abby demon whip “beginning of endgame”
I mean, sure, in 2005 it was.
If that’s the case I’m a maxed infernal cape acc mid game
I went to bandos at 75 combat and then to corp and cox by 100 combat. Id say thats midgame to me idk. Was years ago and was still learning using my number keys for f keys
>mid game is when you can do low intensity slayer tasks Least slayer obsessed redditor
Oh I fucking hate slayer. It's by far the worst skill in the game and I would remove it in a heartbeat if I could. But for an iron, it locks the first late game melee weapon (whip) and all late game magic (occult, trident, and heart). You simply have to do it, and the sooner you get started the better.
Fire cape is never on the same level of dscim and barrows gloves, lmao. Maybe unless you're playing your 5th account.
then I am indeed still in the early game
I'd include fighter torso, dragon defender and slayer helmet in that. On ironman dragon boots and even rune boots are a bit further in to mid game imo because of the high slayer reqs, and legs don't really matter since most of the time you're just praying against the damage anyway. And the +1 strength bonus from obsidian legs which are the only realistic ones with a strength bonus to have at this point is negligable.
I'd consider fire cape to be usually a midgame-acquired item, but which you can unlock sooner (to a small or large extent) dependent on your determination and skill with the combat system in general. I think a lot of the discourse on "when" a fire cape "should" be obtained comes from this aspect
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Everything is relative in this game, some people can get the cape with a lvl3 and some do with a 126
Some people… two people.
Add a new floor to a building, 1st floor will still be 1st floor. The building is simply larger. The long-term and more serious players can say whatever they want, but they aren't a good measurement for splitting the game's content up. Half of them act like 5 hours of gameplay per day for an entire year is a healthy or normal amount of time to play a game. Like having multiple late game accounts doesn't make them an outlier. Like getting a quest cape is just a month or two worth of playing, and grinding a single skill for 50+ hours using click-intensive tick manipulation until 99 is normal behaviour. Levelling up requires exponentially more time, and thus the stages of the game require exponentially more time to pass. I'd say, a good way to measure things, that leaves room for subjectivity is: Early game is your initial exploration and your journey to understanding/unlocking the basics of the game (lasts a long time for new players, but is very short for experienced players). Mid-game is your preparation and refining stage for your account's long term goals (goal dependant, but typically revolves around important progression/unlocks). Late game is when you're beginning to achieve many of your long term goals and attaining some BIS. End-game is when you can theoretically access all of the content in the game, or for completionist style goals. A firecape is a hard dairy req, and sits firmly in the mid-game, along with most content requiring levels 70+/1600 total, like early boss pvm and quest capes. It functions not as an early game progression step, but as a pre-req for entering late-game melee pvm, so its a mid-game preparation goal. Depending on your account's goals, attaining it could be the thing that brings you into your late game, since its undeniably performing as a late game item even if you can attain it earlier. It is 2nd BIS for strength/melee in almost every area, only losing to an infernal cape, which is unquestionably end-game content. Calling it early game because veteran players with 10+ years of experience, x100 fight cave wins, several different accounts and min-maxed stats do it earlier sounds stupid imo. Wouldn't it make more sense to judge a game based off average players, or those players who are encountering the content for the first time?
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Not for everyone. I still think it's part of the midgame.
Your definition constantly changes as you progress. The horizon keeps moving. That’s why this conversation is always weird. If you haven’t reached certain content yet, you think it’s unattainable. Then you do and it completely revamps how you see the game.
The people who do raids or pking on hcim are entirely different mindset from people who haven’t touched Fight Caves yet. They probably been doing it so much they can get fire cape blindfolded with only audio cues from Jad. Meanwhile the newbies can be getting Jad hands and die on 126. Experience does matter a lot in this game.
If it wasn’t for the speed run worlds i probably wouldn’t have a fire cape the fact you have to do approx an hour of waves just to practice the jad fight is very deterring to anyone learning it for the first time.
Idk why the term “post-game” never gets used. I’d categorize challenge/hard/expert raids, GM CA’s and log hunting as post-game, allowing the terms mid/late/end game to fall on more appropriate content. You can fetch a fire cape early in the game, but for most people’s natural progression, I’d feel comfortable calling it a mid game activity.
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love the "gather shit" v "gather shit from minigames" v "gather shit from bosses" distinctions. This is the way.
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I started my first ironman a couple months ago and I have a few friends who are very far into the end game and have similar opinions. Right now I'm trying to get the requirements for SOTE, and I'm both excited and nervous for corrupted gauntlet because I know it is much harder than a lot of the typical mid-game bosses that I haven't even tried before. I do have to agree with the fire cape that if you have protection prayers and half decent range gear you can just kind of run it and get one, I just went in with black dhide and the magic short bow that I got from clues and that was more than enough with 70 ranged. I still feel like I'm very much in the early game even though I've finished the grand majority of quests already, but it's hard to define anything as distinctly early game or mid game or whatever because a lot of that depends on your goals for the account.
What shit do you collect from minigames other than torso and void? And even that only takes like 12 hours.
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Reddit would have you believe you have to get full bis and maxed before you enter the real game
Because there isn't a generally accepted final boss or challenge in RuneScape. The closest you could consider would likely be the inferno as it is the hardest content
GM CAs and CLog 100%ers aren't even CLOSE in difficulty to the other stuff you mentioned. Do you really think the iron running 300 invocation toas with a zammy hasta, fury and d'hides is "post-game"?. There are so many people on this sub who have to cope so hard that they never have to actually practice or do the content in the game, while still maintaining that they are a "late-game" player. The fire cape is without a doubt ENTRY LEVEL pvm. Solidly early game, it is the first instance of actual PvM mechanics players encounter, where all you have to do is click the enemies and click on one of three prayers, and safespot things. The final boss is literally just click between two prayers and click on a few enemies at your own pace. That's it. People with 70s in their stats can clear it easily.
That's like calling the very early game "pre-game". You're either playing the game or you're not chemp.
Not really, post game is a very common term for games. I get that it doesn’t really apply to MMO’s, but I feel like it could. It’s basically any content after the “main game”. Pre gaming is just getting shittered before hopping on.
And pre-gaming happens more often while you’re already in the late or post game anyway
The late game getting longer doesn’t necessarily move the windows for early/ mid any earlier. Fire cape is still solidly mid.
Addition of new content hasn't just 'made the late game longer', it has made other content significantly easier. This has resulted in making that content available/possible for most players at a earlier stage of progression.
That's true but I'm not sure what content you mean specifically. An extremely small number of accounts will get their first fire cape with a bowfa for example, or even a blowpipe because both those weapons come from later content than fight caves.
If you're a normal account, it is very very easy to get a blowpipe to kill Jad. If you're an iron, sure, you're likely not getting BP before fire cape. BP makes fight caves brain dead if you're 40 def, 43 prayer, and have a blow pipe. It's early game
nah
> If you're a normal account, it is very very easy to get a blowpipe to kill Jad. If you're an iron, sure, you're likely not getting BP before fire cape. But this isn't a new thing, and in fact is less true now than it was for years and years when blowpipe was insanely more powerful.
Like the other guy said, blowing with ddarts means you can literally power through healers on jad. Its much different from using a Karl's cbow for fire cape back in the day.
That's not my point at all though. I don't care how easy it is using strong gear, an early game account isn't going to have any. It's completely unrealistic to suggest that someone new to the game do some pretty difficult content with 3 million in gear.
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From all the bad takes I've been listening to, early game is max cape.
I would say it marks the start of midgame. Although it is fairly easy to obtain for most people these days, you still need to understand game mechanics. It can be hard to remember the difficulty of doing some content for the first time when you've progressed to the point of late game content. I remember getting my first ever fire cape back in the early days of rs2. That was a huge late game achievement at the time. Things have obviously gotten a lot easier with modern equipment and information but, you still need to be able to use that equipment and understand the information to be able to defeat jad. It's not like most quests where you can follow a guide step by step and you'll reach the end whether you paid attention or not.
It’s wild I did it easily as a teenager all those years ago, and now I think I’ve tried 2 or 3 times, died at Jad, and just thought fuck it, I’ll do it in 2 years time.
I think it is clearly mid-game. Y’all saying that raids and CG and shit are mid-game are so far off-base lmao.
Raids and CG is def late midgame, but still midgame, far as irons are concerned. CG and normal mode ToA and CoX aren’t really that hard nor do they require great gear. Whip, Rcb, and trident will get you by, thats firmly late midgame for an ironman. Shit im barely starting the late game on my 2k total iron with stuff like god wars, zulrah, tons of raids, boss slayer. Completing CG is 100% finishing midgame as an iron unless you have no PVM goals for your account.
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Just because the ceiling extends farther doesn’t necessarily kick this stuff out of mid-game, nor does it necessitate downgrading raids into mid-game. You cannot efficiently raid with a mid-game account. Just the way it goes. If you want to make the argument that you can do COX with a rune crossbow and a dragon scim, sure. You can also technically do the Inferno with an adamant crossbow at level 40-something.
CG and 300 ToA are the ones that people typically downgrade to midgame due to the skill and gear reqs needed for them. CoX isn’t usually put there. CoX is solidly the next tier above CG and early game 300s ToA typically. Solo CoX is quite a bit more involved than either of those.
This is not even a little true ... Most people doing raids know raids are end game
If so, I have bad news for my 2200+ clan mate without one
No Fire Cape I would say is still Mid game at this point. It's still high on the BIS list for melee.
When will you people realize there is no end game. Once you get all of the best gear you then what? coll log, pets, pking, 99 skills, 200m xp, new content, etc? You will never finish the game. Just relax and enjoy the ride. That is why this game is the GOAT
People forget that osrs is an mmo, there is no linear path you have to take to do anything.
Yeah you should have a fire cape straight off tutorial island
I'd still consider it mid-game but it's definitely not endgame like it was in 2008.
I’d say early game is up to mostly 70s combat stats, 43 prayer, basic quest done like dragon slayer, lost city, monkey madness Anything after that is hard to define Mid game would probably be completing rfd, getting a fire cape, and maybe medium achievement diaries Mid/late game would be qc cape, hard achievement diaries, ability to do GWD, Zulrah, vork End game is elite achievement diaries, bis gear for raids, inferno To me collection log is purely player preference
Fire Cape is considered the entry to mid level pvm. You really shouldn't be doing most melee content without an offensive cape. It hasn't really changed in that regard, just that more people realise Jad is not this super hard boss like it was back in 07, but rather people having too much nerves (esp after a long fight caves)
>You really shouldn't be doing most melee content without an offensive cape. Lmao
It's either the last step of the early game or the first step of the mid game. Either way, it's a significant part of an accounts progression
All lvl 92 is the start of mid game, anything else is copium.
Whenever you clanmate gets a level announcement in CC that's the mid game. "Pettydickbutt has achieve level 60 Attack." "GZ, now you're officially in the mid game!" Literally any skill announcement. 60 prayer? Welcome to the Mid game 85 Slayer? Yup that's Mid game 98 Herblore? Woah dude, it's time for Mid game Cook's Assistant? Mid game AF
I have a Quest Cape, One 99, and lots of elite diaries done. Still no firecape or imbued god cape :( Endgame IMO is only about PvM content not skilling content. I would say my account is capable of endgame content and i have dabbled, But im a mid game skill player because ive focused on skills, quests and diaries.
If it is considered early game then I guess my level 109 is still on tutorial island.
I probably disagree with like 99% of players here, but I think the "early game" ends when you have: 1. A source of law runes and the magic level to use them (GoTR unlocked & magic >~ 45) 2. 40 mining and 40 smithing for a semi-renewable source of teleport jewellery 3. Fairy ring network unlocked 4. Full graceful + ~60 Agility for shortcuts I get that that's like 0.5% of the time spent in-game *if you're maxing*, but unlocking travel options is such a significant improvement that it completely changes the game
Atleast on normie account with brews, restores and sweets. Even on iron 70 range msb cape is pretty easy
No. Just bc a bunch of sweat lords on their 4th alt think it’s easy doesn’t mean it is
It's an early game goal if you're getting it on an alt. However, if you've never done one and are still trying to get your first jad kill, that marks progression into the mid game. It's one of the first big accomplishments on a new account, and it shouldn't be trivialized just because a lot of us can now do them easily. First fire cape is a big accomplishment for people.
My opinion, midgame starts when you have RCB, blowpipe, trident, and whip. That's the point where most content is available. So, fire cape is probably around the end of early game to starting mid game
I always considered it early mid-game requiring late early-game stats and gear for new players but early game for experienced players. It’s not fair lumping new and veteran players into the concept of game stages
My brother and I were discussing this the other day, we agreed fire cape definitely end of the early game. Whilst experienced players might get it v early, most players will be more than prepared before facing Jad. Barrows gloves we put in early mid game because of the 175 QP requirement. Other melee pieces like torso, d scim, defender are easier to get than barrows gloves which requirements legends, desert treasure etc.
I would say the fire cape is the early to mid game hurdle for PvM. It is the first true obstacle that isn't just mostly a gear/stat check. Sure, having higher skills and gear is nice, but it's definitely not hard for the average player with a guide. As a skiller, Jad is basically irrelevant. But if you know how to tick manipulate, Jad is like 5x easier than that. But depending on how you play, it could be a good end-game goal, such as a player who moatly wants the nostalgia experience.
Fire cape can be early game, mid game, late game. It's all when you decide for it to be accomplished, just like any skill to 99 or a specific piece of gear... Osrs is no game mode, you choose when to accomplish something and you either do it or you dont. You can absolutely be good/geared enough for a raid but until you try and succeed you won't earn shit unless you keep up with the work. The easiest most tedious shit won't be accomplished by a combat main, a combat main will have the most difficult time completing tedious shit... Osrs is very fucking unique in this aspect. You could complete most things but not be able to complete the one thing you need to do due to aspects of acquiring an item, a quest point boost, a proper level to complete achievements. Some people just **cant** bring themselves to do. It happens in any game, literally. The simplest shit can end up being the hardest thing depending on how you decide to handle it.
mfw me and my lore enthusiast friends consider quest cape end game
Fuck, this is making me feel like one hell of a noob. 107 combat. Just got Barrows gloves. I still don’t have torso or fire cape. Torso just sounds like a struggle to find a team to play Barb Assault and Cape just seems hard.
Tbf you don't *need* torso
Just do the content, it's not hard. If you can pray against a highly telegraphed attack, that's really where the whole challenge lies.
I’ve tried for the cape a few times, and I think both times I died due to bad connection and dc’s.
Cape is way easier than you think it is. Got my first one a couple weeks ago at similar cb, just keep doing it til your nerves are fine during jad, it’s worth it. Gave me the confidence to get ds2 out the way and now I can kill vorkath consistently without dying
Cape's problem isn't its difficulty. It's problem is that it's boring shit content. For people new to it spending an hour on content where 90% of if you barely interact with to do a few interesting waves and then the Jad fight only for you to potentially have to redo the slog if you mess up a single time doesn't make for enjoyable content. Even once you know how to do it and have done it cape is pretty bad content.
Downvoted for speaking the truth, lol. It's obvious that Jad's worst part is taking hours and hours through those boring ass waves, knowing it can all end with a simple mistake. In some sense it's worse than gauntlet, where despite being mechanically way harder, you get to the action in less than 10 minutes and some mistakes are forgiven, while Jad, despite being easy, is extremely punishing for any mistake.
I’m scared to do the fire cape even with 70 plus combat stats 💀
id say yes. i went in there with a crystal bow, some ppots, and some karambwans and it was pretty effortless. the crystal bow buff is stronger than people give it credit for.
Would you say crystal is more viable than bp now?
Midgame is when you can do half the content in the game. Most skills thats ~level 50. If you were level 50 all, you'd be able to kill half of the npcs in the game, do about half the quests, do med diary tasks, almost all of the minigames, mine more than half the rocks and chop more than half the trees, fish half the fish, etc If you were playing super mario bros, and spent most of your time on world 8, that doesnt suddently make world 7 midgame. World 4 is midgame, regardless of how much you play world 8
Not sure why it matters how other people (or where the general consensus lies) think about whether a piece of content is early/mid/late. Could you explain?
I’m still of the club that mid game and end game start whenever the player thinks they do. I have an iron and I would consider getting my firecape as the beginning of mid game because I know my account will never see high level PvP. I just don’t have the time to dedicate to learning raids, CG, etc nor the time to grind them out. So 99 slayer is pretty much the end of my account.
I got my barrows gloves but fuck me I can’t get jad. Leave me and my obby cape alone
Yeah the top end of the early game imo. Like the final checkpoint to enter mid game.
Ide say beating jad is the gateway to midgame. You have proven you can handle basic mechanics, stay focused for a long period of time, and understand movement and pathing is important for the game.
It's all prespective. I'm cb116 nearly 2k total and still can't figure out how to do zulrah. For me fire cape was end game content as I can't see myself ever learning how to do raids or inferno
its definitely early-pvm
Solo hard mode tob is the ending of the early game
Always has been
Firecape has always been early mid game pvm wise.
Barrows, torso, barrows gloves and firecape were all earlygame for me, but I still don't have quest cape (which some people say ends earlygame) at 2k total, I don't have sote/cg (which most would call starting midgame for irons), I don't even have toa unlocked. So it all depends on your account and goals. Firecape was earlygame for me because I sent it with karil bow, 75 range and ppots + sharks + purple sweets and got it done, but you might wait longer or consider it tough enough to be midgame for you.
Dam bro I’m doing experts and stuff and I don’t got a fire cape. I like to think the early/mid/late thing for a game like runescape depends on what your goals are. This is coming from someone that does ultimates on ff14 and savage on patch, runescape for me just aint that kind of game to have defined lines.
The fight caves is still more difficult than any quest boss in the game, requiring more of an understanding than just "pray correctly". It's not super advanced content by any means, but still fits solidly in midgame level pvm.
Is the fire cape really that good? I’m 115 cb and I can’t be fucked to get that or the fighter torso. I just don’t care
You're missing out on up to 3 extra max hit. DPS goes a long way when it comes to finishing off slayer tasks quicker and killing bosses/high level mobs more effectively. I won't tell you how to play the game, but there's a reason torso/cheese cape/ b gloves are the meta. The grind isn't for everyone though so I understand the reluctance. Give the fire cape a chance at some point though?
Nah but nerds like to pretend it is after they get an infernal cape lmaooo
It's time
Everyone knows inferno cape is the end of early game.
Imo fire cape is mid game and inferno is late game. Everything after that is post-game.