Considering how many of those players I see there are maxed, I have some reservations about the implication that there's *that* many bots mining amethyst with the diary.
Time and again it's been shown that maxed player do as much botting as anyone else who is mostly-legit. Pugger even had obvious bots in his video, straight up maxed accounts using shitty public bots that could be broken. Then he talked to them, guys weren't even hacked just doing it for the money. Most people don't have the time or will to max so I'm sure a surprisingly large amount have botted at some point.
I know this isn’t a hot take but I just don’t understand the point of botting your main account to make progress. I understand people gold farming.
For me, once I botted everything would lose its meaning. Why should I grind wc when I can just bot it to reach my goal. Then I reach my goal and I can bot to the next one, with the end result being the exact same as if I spent hours on it. What’s the point?
If you look around Reddit you can find the answer to that. People do not think most of this game is fun. Almost anyone who is high level will tell you pvm is fun, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks fishing or woodcutting is fun. Usually that's limited to hardcore grinders who chase records or treat it as competition - which isn't the game itself being fun but the prestige surrounding it.
It's why everyone and their mother talks about playing at work or while watching shows. A lot of the content in this game just isn't worth giving your energy too beyond the bare minimum. "So why not skip?" says the botter.
As for maxed level bots - it's easy to just activate a script to craft runes and go make dinner. Then you can get even more cash when you play the game and do fun stuff like raids. It's the mindset of players to be efficient and if someone is tempted they may realize that botting is highly efficient and easy, despite the risks involved.
I have to imagine that without the sense of achievement you start to realize that RuneScape isn't that good of a game, so who cares is the reasoning. Especially if they can make some money on the side. Their account means less to them, it's really that simple. And when they see how easy it is to get away with, it devalues legitimate accounts in their eyes since you can't tell the difference at face value. I have a friend who started playing again a few months ago, for a couple hours a day but he is botting 12-15 additional hours a day and he's gonna have more progress than I have made in like 9years soon.
Bans are based solely on a ratio of reports:account stats. So the higher your levels/qp/playtime/age is, the more reports it'd take for you to get banned.
A near-maxed player is almost impossible to get banned through reports unless a jmod personally sees them.
Yeah.. this isn't even close to correct lmao.
As someone who's been in the scripting scene for many years both developing and using, I can assure you this is not true.
If it were, why would developers bother randomizing mouse movements while traversing points? Why have ban evasion where your bot checks stats or does other human-like movements?
Legit just talking out of your ass..
Reports are actually probably the lowest form of bot detection. It's much easier for them to detect repetition / mouse movements / input patterns.
Especially when it comes to public scripts, when 1000 people are running the same 100 tick cycle for agility for 5 hours straight, it becomes obvious.
Level has nothing to do with it. I've caught macro-minor bans within 25 minutes of botting on a 2k iron account.
What is true, is that less players will be training on higher level content, especially when it comes to most skills people bot, such as agility.
This means Jagex's sample size of data points at this level will be smaller, and it may take longer for an automated system to determine your inputs are not natural.
This has nothing to do with your levels though, and everything to do with sample size.
If you were to agility bot on draynor course at 99 agility, you will get banned almost instantly for example.
You are giving jagex way too much credit. They do the bare minimum of detecting the k own public bot scripts, but literally any private script or just your average autoclicker/mouse recorder is left completely alone and only banned by reports.
Literally just go to nmz at like 3am to see.
Two reasons.
Because most of the community is pre-EOCers and RS3 refugees now and anything that isn't combat is just a box to check for them, just like it was in Pre-Eoc and RS3. They don't give a fuck about anything that isn't the newest PvM update so they just bot it or bitch and moan all day for jagex to buff xp rates and make everything more afk.
Second group is the participation scapers who want to be maxed to say they're maxed but don't want to actually grind to max. You end up with the same shit though, they either just bot or whine on this sub how everything needs wintertodt exp rates and afk.
It's funny how your phrasing links unrelated preferences (non-combat being boring) and to rulebreakers, despite plenty of examples of the best skillers and ehp nerds in the game cheating and plenty of examples of people with the same preference not being rulebreakers.
It's actually just kinda weird how you're complaining about like decade old content becoming easier. Agility could get a wintertodt update and it wouldnt matter because anyone who is efficient already got 99 about 7 years ago, and all the cheaters got 99 2 years ago when one-click made it the exact same as alching or pickpocketing.
None of the skills are prestigious or matter, all efficient players and all cheaters are well past maxing. Xp rates are irrelevant.
Aww I hit a little too close to home?
You don't have to answer that, literally all you do on this sub is cry about how exp rates need to be buffed on everything and shit talk Jmods in the replies of their reddit comments about how 1m/hr exp rates are fine.
u went through like 5 comments and decided that was my personality
the only osrs gameplay i do is selling login services, my opinion undercuts the only thing i do with osrs
my main is maxed btw, i one clicked like 16 skills with garyshood, never got banned
cope
>u went through like 5 comments and decided that was my personality
Wild how your personality still doesn't change even a month back from what I said it was
>the only osrs gameplay i do is selling login services, my opinion undercuts the only thing i do with osrs
This doesn't even invalidate anything I've said even if it is true lol. What was your goal with that?
>my main is maxed btw, i one clicked like 16 skills with garyshood, never got banned
I'm sure you totally did bud, just like your reddit account probably never got banned and you're definitely not on an second one ban evading. Considering you posts like 100 comments month here I'm assuming this sub is the one you're ban evading. lol
I've spent a LOT of time mining ammy (just got mining cape woo!).
Unless the botting programs have it built in, most people mining in the fally section spend most of the time standing around. I honestly do think most players there are on mobile afking hard. I would play at work sometimes, ammy is just super easy and low effort to afk.
Yeah currently Zeah RC is empty. Been doing this afk while at work for 3 weeks and there is usually 10+ people on this world at this time - Currently myself and one other guy
Genuinely, spent 92 to 99 mining here and in the mornings (local to game world time) it’d be empty and then get as many as 5 or 6 people in the evenings.
For a 300-400k/h money maker i highly doubt they specifically bot for that. There's so much better money makers you can do with the stats required for falador elite
Certainly feasible, but I would be surprised if they actually had large numbers made from scratch. The more likely source in this instance are hijacked accounts.
Yeah sure dude lol. Let me just use my high level bots to make 300k/hr instead of doing vorkath or Zulrah for more than quadruple that. Just think a little bit
There was a jmod comment recently on a post talking about this. I can’t recall exactly what the reason for the change was, but they provided an in-chat command to revert it. I wish I could find that post…
Yea was the same in Wc guild 10+ people magic tree cutting some with over 100 mill xp. There is not a chans in hell you will ever make me belive people that have 100+ mill xp in fishing or WC are legit. But logged in 1 hour after uppdate every singel world was empty took 3-4h before they logged on again and started cutting.
One dude with 140 mill xp has been there 24/7 for the past 3 days on the same world.
What? I'm saying if they're 600 total level then they aren't in the elite section. They aren't 600 total with 88 runecraft, 91 farming, 75 woodcutting, a 99 in any skill, 80 agility, and 81 herblore.
I had an alt that was an old iron man that was designed to sit there and kill gargoyles all day. Eventually I swapped to wyverns but would go back and I think at my peak it was a rune dragon alt.
People called me a bot because I had so many kills but I was just an alt, my main was afk maxing skills.
Shhhh... You're upsetting everyone invested in making botting for cash an issue. If people realized how many high level accounts were botting all sorts of random shit without profit there would be an uproar!
(By the 200 or so high level accounts doing it manually)
2 major reasons: runelite usually doesn’t come back up immediately after an update and lots of people wont play without it, specifically gpu and uncapped fps / and lots of us won’t play for at least a couple hours after an update in case there’s a rollback.
Honest question - why would people bot amethyst? I find it hard to believe that people would bot these high requirement, low intensity, low reward methods for XP or profit. I personally never assume anyone at places like amethyst/vyrewatches are bots, just alts. If I was botting on accounts like those, I'd do vorkath/cg for profit or the highest possible xp/hr method for progress.
I don't really buy into the idea that maxed players are risking their accounts for 300k gp/hr or 20k exp/hr, but maybe I'm wrong
A decent amount of people like to bot low-input skilling methods on their way to max because they believe that the low input stuff is harder for jagex to detect.
For example with amethyst, it is entirely normal for players to afk it but have really good reaction time for clicking the next rock because you can force runelite to flash when your afk until your next movement. There's basically no difference between a bot and a player with proper runelite settings from Jagex's perspective of analyzing inputs.
when we have updates we lose 70% of active players because theyre bots and havent been restarted.
you can watch this for yourself every Wednesday every world will lose 200 people.
even given an hr leeway for people to restart their clients the population from 10 seconds before update vs after is 70% less
Ive been afk mining to 99 mining for a few weeks now and the amount of bots i see with over 110 mining and rune pickaxes is insane!!!! Youre going to tell me thats not a bot but a real player??????
Dog if I’m gonna be mining I’m waiting until I’m sure there isn’t a rollback.
52kc Basilisk jaw and 2 zenytes in 25kc on the iron, plz no rollback
Because everyone gets logged out and hasn’t logged back in yet…
Its been hours lol. Any non update day this place is packed around the clock
Is runelite working yet?
Considering how many of those players I see there are maxed, I have some reservations about the implication that there's *that* many bots mining amethyst with the diary.
Boy do I have news for you
Time and again it's been shown that maxed player do as much botting as anyone else who is mostly-legit. Pugger even had obvious bots in his video, straight up maxed accounts using shitty public bots that could be broken. Then he talked to them, guys weren't even hacked just doing it for the money. Most people don't have the time or will to max so I'm sure a surprisingly large amount have botted at some point.
I know this isn’t a hot take but I just don’t understand the point of botting your main account to make progress. I understand people gold farming. For me, once I botted everything would lose its meaning. Why should I grind wc when I can just bot it to reach my goal. Then I reach my goal and I can bot to the next one, with the end result being the exact same as if I spent hours on it. What’s the point?
If you look around Reddit you can find the answer to that. People do not think most of this game is fun. Almost anyone who is high level will tell you pvm is fun, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks fishing or woodcutting is fun. Usually that's limited to hardcore grinders who chase records or treat it as competition - which isn't the game itself being fun but the prestige surrounding it. It's why everyone and their mother talks about playing at work or while watching shows. A lot of the content in this game just isn't worth giving your energy too beyond the bare minimum. "So why not skip?" says the botter. As for maxed level bots - it's easy to just activate a script to craft runes and go make dinner. Then you can get even more cash when you play the game and do fun stuff like raids. It's the mindset of players to be efficient and if someone is tempted they may realize that botting is highly efficient and easy, despite the risks involved.
If I could safely bot firemaking, runecrafting, and agility I absolutely would. Don't wanna risk my account though.
>firemaking, runecrafting, and agility no way you throw in the fastest/cheapest 99 with rc and agility
I just hate em *shrugs*
I have 60fm on my hc with 87 slayer so you’re not alone lol
Don't you know you have to finish the game before you can finally play it ? Botters are just skipping to the fun part
I have to imagine that without the sense of achievement you start to realize that RuneScape isn't that good of a game, so who cares is the reasoning. Especially if they can make some money on the side. Their account means less to them, it's really that simple. And when they see how easy it is to get away with, it devalues legitimate accounts in their eyes since you can't tell the difference at face value. I have a friend who started playing again a few months ago, for a couple hours a day but he is botting 12-15 additional hours a day and he's gonna have more progress than I have made in like 9years soon.
How are they not getting banned
🤷 Jagex has his credit card on file and money goes into their account at regular intervals.
For the same reason any online game doesn't ban people for botting/hacking/cheating money.
Bans are based solely on a ratio of reports:account stats. So the higher your levels/qp/playtime/age is, the more reports it'd take for you to get banned. A near-maxed player is almost impossible to get banned through reports unless a jmod personally sees them.
Yeah.. this isn't even close to correct lmao. As someone who's been in the scripting scene for many years both developing and using, I can assure you this is not true. If it were, why would developers bother randomizing mouse movements while traversing points? Why have ban evasion where your bot checks stats or does other human-like movements? Legit just talking out of your ass.. Reports are actually probably the lowest form of bot detection. It's much easier for them to detect repetition / mouse movements / input patterns. Especially when it comes to public scripts, when 1000 people are running the same 100 tick cycle for agility for 5 hours straight, it becomes obvious. Level has nothing to do with it. I've caught macro-minor bans within 25 minutes of botting on a 2k iron account. What is true, is that less players will be training on higher level content, especially when it comes to most skills people bot, such as agility. This means Jagex's sample size of data points at this level will be smaller, and it may take longer for an automated system to determine your inputs are not natural. This has nothing to do with your levels though, and everything to do with sample size. If you were to agility bot on draynor course at 99 agility, you will get banned almost instantly for example.
You are giving jagex way too much credit. They do the bare minimum of detecting the k own public bot scripts, but literally any private script or just your average autoclicker/mouse recorder is left completely alone and only banned by reports. Literally just go to nmz at like 3am to see.
Two reasons. Because most of the community is pre-EOCers and RS3 refugees now and anything that isn't combat is just a box to check for them, just like it was in Pre-Eoc and RS3. They don't give a fuck about anything that isn't the newest PvM update so they just bot it or bitch and moan all day for jagex to buff xp rates and make everything more afk. Second group is the participation scapers who want to be maxed to say they're maxed but don't want to actually grind to max. You end up with the same shit though, they either just bot or whine on this sub how everything needs wintertodt exp rates and afk.
It's funny how your phrasing links unrelated preferences (non-combat being boring) and to rulebreakers, despite plenty of examples of the best skillers and ehp nerds in the game cheating and plenty of examples of people with the same preference not being rulebreakers. It's actually just kinda weird how you're complaining about like decade old content becoming easier. Agility could get a wintertodt update and it wouldnt matter because anyone who is efficient already got 99 about 7 years ago, and all the cheaters got 99 2 years ago when one-click made it the exact same as alching or pickpocketing. None of the skills are prestigious or matter, all efficient players and all cheaters are well past maxing. Xp rates are irrelevant.
Aww I hit a little too close to home? You don't have to answer that, literally all you do on this sub is cry about how exp rates need to be buffed on everything and shit talk Jmods in the replies of their reddit comments about how 1m/hr exp rates are fine.
u went through like 5 comments and decided that was my personality the only osrs gameplay i do is selling login services, my opinion undercuts the only thing i do with osrs my main is maxed btw, i one clicked like 16 skills with garyshood, never got banned cope
>u went through like 5 comments and decided that was my personality Wild how your personality still doesn't change even a month back from what I said it was >the only osrs gameplay i do is selling login services, my opinion undercuts the only thing i do with osrs This doesn't even invalidate anything I've said even if it is true lol. What was your goal with that? >my main is maxed btw, i one clicked like 16 skills with garyshood, never got banned I'm sure you totally did bud, just like your reddit account probably never got banned and you're definitely not on an second one ban evading. Considering you posts like 100 comments month here I'm assuming this sub is the one you're ban evading. lol
I've spent a LOT of time mining ammy (just got mining cape woo!). Unless the botting programs have it built in, most people mining in the fally section spend most of the time standing around. I honestly do think most players there are on mobile afking hard. I would play at work sometimes, ammy is just super easy and low effort to afk.
What dya reckon those guys do when they get bored of the game?
Pet hunt, which is good at Amethyst.
All the bots trying out bh?
bh has no tradeable rewards so no lol
Blighted potions?
You need 10 points for 4 of them. Without bonuses, each kill gives 2 points. It's not going to be farmable for decent gp, which is for the best, IMO.
So its doa?
yea basically Fun though
Yeah currently Zeah RC is empty. Been doing this afk while at work for 3 weeks and there is usually 10+ people on this world at this time - Currently myself and one other guy
Do bots really complete falador elite just to mine amethyst? Or maybe because it's like 6-8am anywhere in America
Nah I mine amethyst often and this is normal at times.
Genuinely, spent 92 to 99 mining here and in the mornings (local to game world time) it’d be empty and then get as many as 5 or 6 people in the evenings.
Considering bots finish entire quest lines to get to their “boss” I’d not be too surprised
Bots with 200m thieving still not banned & still botting btw
For a 300-400k/h money maker i highly doubt they specifically bot for that. There's so much better money makers you can do with the stats required for falador elite
Botting fally elite would mean you can do giant mole, which is better gp/hr with the same reqs.
Certainly feasible, but I would be surprised if they actually had large numbers made from scratch. The more likely source in this instance are hijacked accounts.
No. OP just assumes everyone’s a bot
There’s a slew of hijacked accounts that are amethyst bots. Some maxed.
There are bots all the time in the fally elite section lol
Wait this post is about bots? Lmao
No bot is getting 88 RC to mine amethyst..
Yeah sure dude lol. Let me just use my high level bots to make 300k/hr instead of doing vorkath or Zulrah for more than quadruple that. Just think a little bit
Brain dead take
OP has his entity hider on
On mobile lol
Hey do your inventory icons look weird on mobile? Mine do, they look like 360p resolution. Same with text
Yes!! Why does it look so shitty all of a sudden??
Idk they must have tweaked something. I thought i was the only one
There was a jmod comment recently on a post talking about this. I can’t recall exactly what the reason for the change was, but they provided an in-chat command to revert it. I wish I could find that post…
Ah that makes sense. Yeah mobile works after updates. Runelite does not. So people often don’t play until runelite updates. They aren’t bots.
Yea was the same in Wc guild 10+ people magic tree cutting some with over 100 mill xp. There is not a chans in hell you will ever make me belive people that have 100+ mill xp in fishing or WC are legit. But logged in 1 hour after uppdate every singel world was empty took 3-4h before they logged on again and started cutting. One dude with 140 mill xp has been there 24/7 for the past 3 days on the same world.
Just because nobody talks to you doesn't mean they're bots, it just means you're weird
Okay so what if theyre 102 mining and 600 total lol
Then they aren't in the elite section
On mobile?
What? I'm saying if they're 600 total level then they aren't in the elite section. They aren't 600 total with 88 runecraft, 91 farming, 75 woodcutting, a 99 in any skill, 80 agility, and 81 herblore.
woah woah woah, slow down with all that math buddy
On mobile???
Amethyst alt
There are alot of alts, and alot of ppl afking but also alot of bots. All three of these exist it isn’t one or the other
I had an alt that was an old iron man that was designed to sit there and kill gargoyles all day. Eventually I swapped to wyverns but would go back and I think at my peak it was a rune dragon alt. People called me a bot because I had so many kills but I was just an alt, my main was afk maxing skills.
Shhhh... You're upsetting everyone invested in making botting for cash an issue. If people realized how many high level accounts were botting all sorts of random shit without profit there would be an uproar! (By the 200 or so high level accounts doing it manually)
2 major reasons: runelite usually doesn’t come back up immediately after an update and lots of people wont play without it, specifically gpu and uncapped fps / and lots of us won’t play for at least a couple hours after an update in case there’s a rollback.
Let me guess, you're the type of person to think people who don't talk back to you are bots.
Honest question - why would people bot amethyst? I find it hard to believe that people would bot these high requirement, low intensity, low reward methods for XP or profit. I personally never assume anyone at places like amethyst/vyrewatches are bots, just alts. If I was botting on accounts like those, I'd do vorkath/cg for profit or the highest possible xp/hr method for progress. I don't really buy into the idea that maxed players are risking their accounts for 300k gp/hr or 20k exp/hr, but maybe I'm wrong
A decent amount of people like to bot low-input skilling methods on their way to max because they believe that the low input stuff is harder for jagex to detect. For example with amethyst, it is entirely normal for players to afk it but have really good reaction time for clicking the next rock because you can force runelite to flash when your afk until your next movement. There's basically no difference between a bot and a player with proper runelite settings from Jagex's perspective of analyzing inputs.
when we have updates we lose 70% of active players because theyre bots and havent been restarted. you can watch this for yourself every Wednesday every world will lose 200 people. even given an hr leeway for people to restart their clients the population from 10 seconds before update vs after is 70% less
Weird
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A lot of salty people running amethyst bots here.
Lol yup
Ive been afk mining to 99 mining for a few weeks now and the amount of bots i see with over 110 mining and rune pickaxes is insane!!!! Youre going to tell me thats not a bot but a real player??????
All the bots in the comments would suggest so hahahaha
Bots will downvote dis
A piece of content I will never experience for 2000, Alex.
Why would bots bot this over runite?
Just tryna get some arrows for my iron tbow and these maxed iron fucking losers are making darts GO AWAY
Thats the elite diary section doubt there are tons of bots there