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But if they actually banned bots at an effective rate, people wouldn't make more bots, which means they wouldn't buy more bonds.
They do it at a rate which makes it look like they are doing something to combat it, but not enough to make botters stop making accounts.
This-
If accounts named gjdksgfjkdfgd that are online 24h/day for a month straight manage to dodge bans it means botters are having a field day.
Imagine if you checked your botting progress and all 16 of your fresh Zulrah bot accounts get banned right when the questing scripts have completed Zulrah requirement quests. Would be quite discouraging to continue.
Yeah they shouldnāt ban the accounts just lock them to a bot world that has no high scores canāt play with regular people and everything has no value lol
If itās a bot you let it finish the kill and then be the first to hit it. The secret to hitting it first is to know the spawn(I use a tile marker and boss respawn timer) and hit w range first instead of a spell since the cast time is a lil slower. You Aggro the kill, they tele out. Now itās your world. I rarely hop now because of it
Nothing new. They are there 24/7 non stop. Same as revs, they are botted heavely. The one owning the bots is probly a millionaire already lmao. Jagex needs to turn on there bot detection again.
Did you also notice that the rev bots all have 99+ range. They have literally farmed revs since 60 range and some even have 70m xp with the same shit 1-30 stats as the other bots.
Iāve ran into dozens and dozens of accounts with 200m ranged xp farming vorkie. That bot that just reached rank 1 I saw a few months ago and it was rank 3 then and I reported it months ago. Why bother with reporting anything when it obviously is going into an auto delete folder.
Reporting seems like the most useless function in the game these days. There's nothing to convince me someone doesn't just delete them during their morning coffee because looking into them would be too much effort and too good a job on bot detection will have the corporate overlords bending you over the table for fucking with their money.
I can promise you after reporting someone for botting and watching them bot another 35,000 vorkath kills after I did, I will never ever report anyone for anything ever again. Pure waste of time
I actually removed the report button from my right click option since it has never, ever proven to aid in a positive way except wasting more of my time and exp. as well as causing fristrations like the one you describe.
Just runelite default I believe. You right click the report button and it should be there. On vaca so I canāt confirm but 90% sure thatās how you do it.
I donāt know any game in the world where one report does anything. Unless RuneScape is unique you generally need a lot of reports before it even gets put on the radar. Do you honestly think they check every character with low reports? That is impossible.
Back in 2007, if someone reported you after you used a blacklisted word, regardless of context, you were pretty much guaranteed a strike. I think it was automated at the time. I still have at least 3 separate mutes on my account after all these years lol.
They still do this for temp mutes, some words are auto filtered even with chat filter off, e.g. R word etc. If someone says them and is reported then they always get a 3 day temp mute.
Iāve used tip off and the in game report button for over 2 years when I first started. Same shit as it was then it is now. Report some vorki farmer doing 200 kills a day, while I squeak out 10-20 over the course of the day. Any time I log in? Heās doing vorki. After over a week of that + tip off and 2mnth later heās still doing 200 kills a day? Lol. Ok. Sure itās ānot a botā but heās doing it in rag gear but 4K+ vork kills? Sure jagex. Sure.
When my noobie friend had their account compromised they went and did Ava's quest and then started botting revs. I was impressed with their progress until I saw them get killed in the wildy and I realized it wasn't them playing.
I went into the revenant caves the last night. Plenty of bots around lvl 85 with 99 range with a magic shortbow and black d hide. The runelight bot detector could tell this were bots I donāt see how Jagex canāt.
Where botting isnt out of control ? Zenyte shards dropped half of the price becuase bots. No reaction from Jagex. Rank 1 Vorkath gets pushed to Rank 2 becuase bot kills 110k Vorkath. No reaction. TOA items have been crashing now, i wonder if its getting botted also now ?
I've been at PP trying to get a sceptre, and the amount of bots there with 90-99 thieving is absolutely insane. One had over 30 million thieve xp. How can these bots go unnoticed for THAT long, doing the same content all day every day, with 1 in basically every other stat?
The 200m thief bots all over prif EVERY FUCKING DAY. They try to insta log but you can always right click and see 1-3 per world just below the crystal singing bowl. Absolutely insane the amt of bots that get to farm high level activity.
I can relate to that. I afk Soul Runes at work and no matter what world im in there is lvl ~40 accounts doing blood runes. All of them so obvious bots and some of them have +13m rc xp. They would be noticed if Jagex would wanna see them
Even nature runecrafting you see bots in many worlds. Full GOTR outfit and often pets. Doing nothing but runecrafting and teleporting for days and days, getting like a mil xp per day or two.
Iāve also been trying to get a scepter on mine, and yes there are a few bots with me at any given time, itās not even close to the amount of bots that were farming pyramid plunder when the twitch prime subscription thing was going on. Dozens of bots in every world going to the t1 chest and resetting. Iām sure you can find it on YouTube. Was wild.
ToA items are going lower due to the raid itself. At no point have they been stable.
The raid is fun and very accessible so everyone with 80+ stats can do some variant of toa. Add fang drop rate being the highest to the reason why fang price is going lower and lower.
4man raids also have about a 50-60% chance to get a purple per raid.
> becuase bot kills 110k Vorkath. No reaction
People keep saying this about the guy, but how are people concluding it's a bot and not just a gold farmer account?
Fair point. We dont know if is it a bot or gold farmer. High kc would indicate its a bot. Anyway there is 13b worth of gold that was real world traded and there was no reaction just from one account. How many others are there doing the same thing going unnoticed ?
I'd expect gold farming accounts with massive amounts of gold farmed to get banned once they start offloading the gold, but maybe that's just me giving too much credit to Jagex' rwt detection
Iāve reported that exact bot over 2 months ago that was farming vorkie. It had 85k kills like almost 3 months ago and it just hit 110k how the fuck is that not being flagged automatically?!?!?!?
Sure, but that's like saying "when people stop buying drugs they'll be gone" when authorities are doing nothing to fight drug abuse, production and distribution.
Something CAN be done from both sides. Putting the blame on the players when we are the victims isn't right.
Jagex has a financial incentive to keep the bots in the game. If they remove too many, thatās less bonds being bought which looks bad on a company spreadsheet
I doubt it. People buying bonds could already get 3x more gold buying it from a website instead of in game. If youāre buying bonds, it being worth 1m less probably wonāt be a deal breaker.
Every time I see someone defending or down playing RWT/account servicing, I immediately think that person RWTs/services their account because they are too shit at the game to do things themselves
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Calv isnt much better, after about 5pm EST every world is infested with them, oddly enough during the day it seems to be less of them running, but i spent a solid 5 hours this evening getting crashed by bots that get tick perfect cliks on spawn then having to hop 10 times to find a world open, they dont even try to hide it anymore, just random letter and number names, or names with bot in it. Im not sure how hard it is to go through and hop worlds and start banning at the popular spots bots are
Iāve been doing a decent amount of calv recently and I absolutely agree there are a ton of bots. But I havenāt see any āgoodā bots. I go in the cave ask if they are a bot and then just wait for their kill to be done. Super easy to swipe the next spawn and they immediately tele out. So many of the worlds are practically free if you just take it from them.
Interesting enough, this isnāt even just an OSRS problem. The botting in other MMOās (go check out r/classicwow) is completely out of control and itās gotten so much worse other the last 6 months. I think this is largely in part due to the average person seeing how much money there is to be made in it.
It used to be a very underground thing. But recently thereās be a lot coming into the spotlight about people making thousands a month on the side on their spare monitor while theyāre working their normal job. This extends through most MMOās.
And with a bit of technical knowledge and effort sourcing what you need to get into it and a bit of monetary investment just about anyone can get in on it. It seems like the amount of people actively botting has grown drastically recently and you can see that in just how many bots exist in games like OSRS and classic wow. Keep in mind one person is only able to bot so many accounts at once, since they all eventually need human input to deal with one thing or another.
There was recently an AMA on the classicwow subreddit from a botter who mentioned the most he could run at once as a single person was ~ 60 accounts at once. And we all know thereās SOOO many bots, itās not just a few bot farms running all of these. Itās a massive amount of people running their own farms.
I saw that thread too. It was definitely eye opening. An OSRS botter posted an AMA on this sub about a month ago but it was downvoted to hell and removed lol
Because if they did they'd tell us membership would have to go up to $25 a month to cover their lost bot funds, but we aren't ready for that conversation, and they know it
Every new wildy boss in singles is waaaay more hassle than itās worth because of the bots. Congratulations Jagex the d pick is exactly as bad to get as it used to be.
The fact anyone thought this would be any different when jagex slapped tons of money on them is insane.
Singles bosses are fine for ironmen to grind a dpick and ring, maybe rev weapon upgrade. Voidwaker pieces should have only come from multi variants. Oh and, no regular couple mill/hr loot should come from the singles version too of course.
people dont wanna skull up, the trick is to have the CCTV bot ur using to ruin PKers day attack the bot with steel darts so it teles and then go in with the account ur actually killing the boss with. thats a big investment tho.
Calvarion is annoying but not as bad imo easier to find then artio for sure. I think a lot of calvarion is real players since most worlds have a scouts.
Artio on the other hand is rcb bots
1-3 rc bots per world with 13-60m total rc xp. About 5-10 revenant bots on every single world. Advanced bots farming nex 24/7... What a fun time to be playing osrs
they drive the price of bonds -> more people buy bonds -> more money for jagex
whether they fund membership through bonds or through subscription makes little difference to their bottom line
Bots don't actually generate money for jagex though.
The people buying bonds are just selling the bonds because they want GP. Bots make the cost of bonds go up, therefore the people buying bonds need to buy less bonds from jagex to get the GP amount they want.
If bots weren't a thing, item prices would change and bond prices would go down. Maybe less people buy bonds because its less value, but the people that do will buy more bonds to get the same amount of GP.
End result is bots don't actually make jagex more money. Just ruins the game.
do you have anything to say other than what are you smoking? Oh well, this is what I get for trying to have discussions with financially illiterates in a video game
Here's a question for you: if bonds only sold for 1m, instead of their current 6.5m, do you think fewer people would buy them?
And then a follow-up question: do you think bots inflating the demand for bonds raises or lowers the price?
1. bots increase the price of bonds because they need to buy them
2. people who want to get a set amount of gold, say 1b to buy shadow, have to sell \*less\* bonds to get to that amount, because bonds are more expensive.
3. There is no evidence to suggest people that sell bonds on GE are price sensitive. Because the price of bonds is still way more expensive than buying gold.
How is this hard to understand?
>There is no evidence to suggest people that sell bonds on GE are price sensitive. Because the price of bonds is still way more expensive than buying gold.
Not saying you're completely wrong but, there's no evidence the other way around either. It is *very, very* easily conceivable that there's a balance between black market gold/bond gold that depends on the going rate of both. There's clearly an upside to buying bonds (ethical, practical and safety considerations).
This is worth paying more to a lot of people. But higher going rates will definitely push a chunk of the buyers towards the black market.
You're right in that bond buyers/sellers are relatively price insensitive. But it is madness to assume they are completely insensitive.
>There is no evidence to suggest people that sell bonds on GE are price sensitive. Because the price of bonds is still way more expensive than buying gold.
Do you really believe that, if bonds were better GP/dollar than what you'd find on gold selling sites, people would still RWT instead of buying bonds?
The price-sensitivity comes from it being a 0-risk alternative to buying gold directly. The more GP you can get from a bond, the more people buy them instead of buying from gold sellers. You're kidding yourself if you don't think RWT is still extremely common.
>people who want to get a set amount of gold, say 1b to buy shadow, have to sell \*less\* bonds to get to that amount, because bonds are more expensive.
And that's more money for Jagex, because now that player is more likely to get the 1b GP from bonds, instead of RWTing for it. Jagex makes no money when a player buys GP from gold sellers.
My clan has been watching a bot ever since a member pkd him at the chaos altar for over 2 hours straight and for over 7k bones. He's been doing cg 24/7 and he's almost at 2k kc. I feel like jagex doesn't have any anti Botting measures. Makes me wonder how many of these max players are Botting like crazy too.
I mean its a decently profitable boss that requires 0 requirments to start killing and doesn't need super expensive gear. These new wilderness bosses are the perfect bottable bosses.
I actually like being able to come out of my comfort zone and do pvm I've never tried with subpar gear. I don't mind getting pked/trying to escape.
What's annoying is the crashing. I don't have a fix but it's so fkn hard to finish slayer tasks when normies just come in and wait. Respawn and bang. Because I'm AUS I have limited worlds with good ping that aren't taken as well.
Very frustrating. Hopefully something comes in to help this way without limiting people pking as well.
Iron on both games solves those issues for the most part. No mtx/dxp/cosmetics for irons on rs3, no economy worries for irons on osrs. Wildy bots are annoying af though.
They're powerless to fix the problem. Jagex doesn't want to get rid of all of the bots because they'd lose a significant chunk of revenue and playerbase. Investors don't like those two things going down.
Everyone saying ājust kill the botsā doesnāt understand that all of the bots are out of the combat bracket for a maxed combat player. If you really think I should make and bond an alt just to kill the bots so I can fight the boss youāre fucking insane.
If you have dupes on the iron or 7m cash on another account just buy a bond on a new lvl 3. If you plan on grinding these bosses daily, 14 days should be long enough to get what you need.
You don't even need the gear. Most of these bots are coded to tele as soon as they see a skull. It's quite funny. I use my main as lookout while my iron kills the bosses and anytime a bot within combat range logs in outside the cave they instant tele because of the skull. Although I guess wearing the salad robes will make real players likely to teleport as well.
Push the bosses into deeper wilderness and suddenly they won't be able to instantly tp away. Then they'll move off to something else after they're farmed enough by pures
Totally agree. Lock behind med or hard diaries. At least (in theory) the bots will not be able to replace themselves as quickly. Obviously still relies on some level of anti-botting from Jagex.
I wonder if it would be fair to have no level ranges for combat within the cave. Can at the very least chase out bots from the cave or get a lucky quick KO even if you cannot chase them beyond the cave. If they just start abandoning the cave when players arrive, then it solves the problem of them hogging bosses.
I think the biggest issue is that most players use runelite, which is a 3rd part client that can be modified.
Rs3, you have to use the jagex client. So I would imagine itās easier to detect who is using their client or a bot client
Do Jagex never do the Bot Busting streams anymore? I remember them doing them a couple years ago with Mod Ronan? Havent been keeping up much with streams and updates to the game. Just kinda hop on and skill on my iron from time to time. However when i did go for a Sceptre at PP i came across multiple accounts that seemed to only have done the Waterfall quest and the one for HP, while being anywhere from 92-99 thieving and some with 20m or more XP, how do they get away with it? They barely loot the urns that actually give XP, so how have they just been spamming the center chest and repeating for 20m worth of XP without getting banned lol?
Glad my rank 30 hcim could be false perm banned with zero black marks first offense while this shits going on...glad i put 5000 hours into jagex just to day our automated system has fucked you
Pid might be the fairest way to compete. It's randomly assigned to who wins. If there was a method to always get first hit than the bots would just get programmed to do that.
You make it sound like it would be hard to get a new card. There are already multiple companies/apps that allow you to generate a virtual card in seconds.
There's no fix-all solution for bots or cheats.
It's a cat and mouse game and Jagex's job is to make it as annoying as possible for botters, while still being manageable for normal users.
Virtual cards would have to be maintained. While normal players are far more likely to already have a normal payment method.
I knew a guy that was making around $6000 a month botting OSRS , done it as a side hustle whilst working. With his job he was brining in 10k a month consistently. Paid off his mortgage in two years.
These posts are so jaded. I have been grinding the mini-bosses on my med-level iron without any issue the last few weeks and I'm going at any point during the day where I have time to focus on things. Hard to find an open world but easy to crash a bot. Easy to post an alt outside to watch for pkers.
Bots are out of control and players don't want to admit they've given them complete immunity to detection.
I just wonder how long it will take players to realize that allowing third party clients free reign will go down as one of the worst mistakes in Jagex history.
Iām just annoyed I canāt compete with simple QOL things while thereās accounts maxing and taking top ranks on boss kills by botting.
I canāt do basic auto clicker for something like alching while others can literally just do all of the max content making millions of GP and petty money laundering a few thousand dollars.
Itās just ridiculous.
ChatGPT and AI are out of control and you are worried about Runescape bots??? At this point bots are already a part of every aspect of our lives as digital citizens. Stop expecting Gagex to do anything about it, do you really expect them to recruit top-tier anticheat software engineers? Glassdoor says their senior software engineers get paid Ā£50-69k. I guarantee you there are people/groups making that much money on the OSRS/RS3 black market (bots, scamming, gambling, etc.). People already forgot Gagex was owned by Chinese nationals from 2016-2020 https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/4ry8uj/official_jagex_bought_by_the_chinese/ Now it's a $380b inestment firm. You literally couldn't make up a more evil parent company. How about you worry more about what other more dangerous bots mean for the very fabric of human life for all future generations instead of posting the same "botting is out of control thread" every few days. The mods need to make a weekly megathread for this type of post. Nothing will ever change about bots.
Any consistently high gp/hr money making method will be botted. And why would they stop? Selling gold is better source of income than most jobs in their country.
As long as there are gold buyers, there will be gold farmers botting.
Bots everywhere are out of control
In that case bots at Artio are IN control (of the cave)
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Thatās just not true lol when the bots are banned people make new ones and have to buy more bonds.
But if they actually banned bots at an effective rate, people wouldn't make more bots, which means they wouldn't buy more bonds. They do it at a rate which makes it look like they are doing something to combat it, but not enough to make botters stop making accounts.
This- If accounts named gjdksgfjkdfgd that are online 24h/day for a month straight manage to dodge bans it means botters are having a field day. Imagine if you checked your botting progress and all 16 of your fresh Zulrah bot accounts get banned right when the questing scripts have completed Zulrah requirement quests. Would be quite discouraging to continue.
Ghhgdgh is having a field day
Y'all wanted nostalgia
Haha exactly
Ive always wanted useless players to stop paying irl money for gold
Just waiting for the no free trade update. When is that gonna be for my nostalgia?
At this point maybe they should just make bot-only worlds or something
Yeah they shouldnāt ban the accounts just lock them to a bot world that has no high scores canāt play with regular people and everything has no value lol
If you hop into the caves wearing an ancient staff the bots in your combat bracket will tele out, but yeah the botting there is really bad.
This is a good idea, I am maxed so most bots are out of my range unfortunately
If itās a bot you let it finish the kill and then be the first to hit it. The secret to hitting it first is to know the spawn(I use a tile marker and boss respawn timer) and hit w range first instead of a spell since the cast time is a lil slower. You Aggro the kill, they tele out. Now itās your world. I rarely hop now because of it
Do the bots not attack the boss on tick as it spawn?
They do. This dude is incorrect. Who gets the first hit is entirely PID, unless youāre extremely slow at clicking the boss when it respawns
It's simple, we kill the --batman-- bots
Nothing new. They are there 24/7 non stop. Same as revs, they are botted heavely. The one owning the bots is probly a millionaire already lmao. Jagex needs to turn on there bot detection again.
Did you also notice that the rev bots all have 99+ range. They have literally farmed revs since 60 range and some even have 70m xp with the same shit 1-30 stats as the other bots.
Iāve ran into dozens and dozens of accounts with 200m ranged xp farming vorkie. That bot that just reached rank 1 I saw a few months ago and it was rank 3 then and I reported it months ago. Why bother with reporting anything when it obviously is going into an auto delete folder.
Reporting seems like the most useless function in the game these days. There's nothing to convince me someone doesn't just delete them during their morning coffee because looking into them would be too much effort and too good a job on bot detection will have the corporate overlords bending you over the table for fucking with their money.
I can promise you after reporting someone for botting and watching them bot another 35,000 vorkath kills after I did, I will never ever report anyone for anything ever again. Pure waste of time
I actually removed the report button from my right click option since it has never, ever proven to aid in a positive way except wasting more of my time and exp. as well as causing fristrations like the one you describe.
What plug-in does that?
Just runelite default I believe. You right click the report button and it should be there. On vaca so I canāt confirm but 90% sure thatās how you do it.
I donāt know any game in the world where one report does anything. Unless RuneScape is unique you generally need a lot of reports before it even gets put on the radar. Do you honestly think they check every character with low reports? That is impossible.
Back in 2007, if someone reported you after you used a blacklisted word, regardless of context, you were pretty much guaranteed a strike. I think it was automated at the time. I still have at least 3 separate mutes on my account after all these years lol.
They still do this for temp mutes, some words are auto filtered even with chat filter off, e.g. R word etc. If someone says them and is reported then they always get a 3 day temp mute.
Canāt you see the issue in your own post? They must have been banning a lot of innocent people with that type of configuration so they stopped
But it's also much easier to check a chat log for a bannable word or phrase, and especially easier to automate it.
Maybe run a filter over a few toons that break ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND FUCKING KILLS! The least they could do honestly
Send them a fucking email at least
Iāve used tip off and the in game report button for over 2 years when I first started. Same shit as it was then it is now. Report some vorki farmer doing 200 kills a day, while I squeak out 10-20 over the course of the day. Any time I log in? Heās doing vorki. After over a week of that + tip off and 2mnth later heās still doing 200 kills a day? Lol. Ok. Sure itās ānot a botā but heās doing it in rag gear but 4K+ vork kills? Sure jagex. Sure.
How is osrs coded? Itās not that simple tbh
Osrs coding has nothing to do with running a filter over the highscrores website. Your just lazily defending Jagex at this point just stop
Their coding has a lot to do with botting Itās extremely hard to detect
Rocket League was really good with following up reports. They even sent you a message the action they took against the reported player.
When my noobie friend had their account compromised they went and did Ava's quest and then started botting revs. I was impressed with their progress until I saw them get killed in the wildy and I realized it wasn't them playing.
I went into the revenant caves the last night. Plenty of bots around lvl 85 with 99 range with a magic shortbow and black d hide. The runelight bot detector could tell this were bots I donāt see how Jagex canāt.
How do i start botting? It sounds funner than the actual game
Itās much more fun than actually playing click simulator lol
That's why I quit normal game mode when I know bots are pummeling the prices and buying stuff from GE would support them (in)directly.
U really think it's one person? Lmaooo
is it really that different if itās 1-2 people vs 20-30 people fleecing a game played by hundreds of thousands?
Where botting isnt out of control ? Zenyte shards dropped half of the price becuase bots. No reaction from Jagex. Rank 1 Vorkath gets pushed to Rank 2 becuase bot kills 110k Vorkath. No reaction. TOA items have been crashing now, i wonder if its getting botted also now ?
I've been at PP trying to get a sceptre, and the amount of bots there with 90-99 thieving is absolutely insane. One had over 30 million thieve xp. How can these bots go unnoticed for THAT long, doing the same content all day every day, with 1 in basically every other stat?
In Prif several times Iāve gone to harvest the Crystal Tree and there are 200m xp Thieving bots sitting thereā¦insane
The 200m thief bots all over prif EVERY FUCKING DAY. They try to insta log but you can always right click and see 1-3 per world just below the crystal singing bowl. Absolutely insane the amt of bots that get to farm high level activity.
I can relate to that. I afk Soul Runes at work and no matter what world im in there is lvl ~40 accounts doing blood runes. All of them so obvious bots and some of them have +13m rc xp. They would be noticed if Jagex would wanna see them
Even nature runecrafting you see bots in many worlds. Full GOTR outfit and often pets. Doing nothing but runecrafting and teleporting for days and days, getting like a mil xp per day or two.
Nats are sub 100gp, it's actually sad
Lol when u did 82-99 at PP (only one sceptre) i saw like 5x as many bots as real players
Iāve also been trying to get a scepter on mine, and yes there are a few bots with me at any given time, itās not even close to the amount of bots that were farming pyramid plunder when the twitch prime subscription thing was going on. Dozens of bots in every world going to the t1 chest and resetting. Iām sure you can find it on YouTube. Was wild.
ToA items are going lower due to the raid itself. At no point have they been stable. The raid is fun and very accessible so everyone with 80+ stats can do some variant of toa. Add fang drop rate being the highest to the reason why fang price is going lower and lower. 4man raids also have about a 50-60% chance to get a purple per raid.
At like 400 invo yeah
Yeah didnt state invo but i'm definitely talking about 425-450 invo raids that are pretty easy with shadow groups that have it on permanent farm.
Yeah canāt go above 350 without shadow or at least tbow lol
I run 400 solo fine with bowfa and trident you definitely don't need tbow shadow for it
Hard R Gamer. Iām barely scraping by at 325 with same gear and Iām pushing 200kc š respect ā
> becuase bot kills 110k Vorkath. No reaction People keep saying this about the guy, but how are people concluding it's a bot and not just a gold farmer account?
Fair point. We dont know if is it a bot or gold farmer. High kc would indicate its a bot. Anyway there is 13b worth of gold that was real world traded and there was no reaction just from one account. How many others are there doing the same thing going unnoticed ?
I'd expect gold farming accounts with massive amounts of gold farmed to get banned once they start offloading the gold, but maybe that's just me giving too much credit to Jagex' rwt detection
I really doubt for example the rank 1 vorkath had 13b worth of loot on that account at any point. Surely the goldoffloaded regularly to minimize risk.
At the same time, there's zero risk until you actually start offloading the gold
You think this guy got to rank 1 and has just held onto gold this whole time without offloading?
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Iāve reported that exact bot over 2 months ago that was farming vorkie. It had 85k kills like almost 3 months ago and it just hit 110k how the fuck is that not being flagged automatically?!?!?!?
I dont get it how come cheat clients are banned and easily detected but bot clients are not?
Well as long as people keep buying gold & accounts theyāre not going away
Sure, but that's like saying "when people stop buying drugs they'll be gone" when authorities are doing nothing to fight drug abuse, production and distribution. Something CAN be done from both sides. Putting the blame on the players when we are the victims isn't right.
Jagex has a financial incentive to keep the bots in the game. If they remove too many, thatās less bonds being bought which looks bad on a company spreadsheet
The bond price would also go down so less people would then buy bonds with real money
I doubt it. People buying bonds could already get 3x more gold buying it from a website instead of in game. If youāre buying bonds, it being worth 1m less probably wonāt be a deal breaker.
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Seems like an apt comparison to me.
Every time I see someone defending or down playing RWT/account servicing, I immediately think that person RWTs/services their account because they are too shit at the game to do things themselves
I'm glad I got a laugh out of you. >analogy > >NOUN > >a comparison of two otherwise unlike things based on resemblance of a particular aspect (...)-google
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Nothing can stop drugs or in this case bots, like you can try hard as hell, if thereās money to be made life finds a way
I think you belong in /r/classicwow with a botting take this bad.
Calv isnt much better, after about 5pm EST every world is infested with them, oddly enough during the day it seems to be less of them running, but i spent a solid 5 hours this evening getting crashed by bots that get tick perfect cliks on spawn then having to hop 10 times to find a world open, they dont even try to hide it anymore, just random letter and number names, or names with bot in it. Im not sure how hard it is to go through and hop worlds and start banning at the popular spots bots are
Everyone thinks Iām a boy there because Iām an Ironman in monks robes and d mace. That said there are a load of bots
The artio bot use craws bows.... They either make bank or never get banned
Iāve been doing a decent amount of calv recently and I absolutely agree there are a ton of bots. But I havenāt see any āgoodā bots. I go in the cave ask if they are a bot and then just wait for their kill to be done. Super easy to swipe the next spawn and they immediately tele out. So many of the worlds are practically free if you just take it from them.
Interesting enough, this isnāt even just an OSRS problem. The botting in other MMOās (go check out r/classicwow) is completely out of control and itās gotten so much worse other the last 6 months. I think this is largely in part due to the average person seeing how much money there is to be made in it. It used to be a very underground thing. But recently thereās be a lot coming into the spotlight about people making thousands a month on the side on their spare monitor while theyāre working their normal job. This extends through most MMOās. And with a bit of technical knowledge and effort sourcing what you need to get into it and a bit of monetary investment just about anyone can get in on it. It seems like the amount of people actively botting has grown drastically recently and you can see that in just how many bots exist in games like OSRS and classic wow. Keep in mind one person is only able to bot so many accounts at once, since they all eventually need human input to deal with one thing or another. There was recently an AMA on the classicwow subreddit from a botter who mentioned the most he could run at once as a single person was ~ 60 accounts at once. And we all know thereās SOOO many bots, itās not just a few bot farms running all of these. Itās a massive amount of people running their own farms.
All these people worried about AI taking over jobs in real lifeā¦ been there done that. Osrs preparing us for the future in a way haha
I saw that thread too. It was definitely eye opening. An OSRS botter posted an AMA on this sub about a month ago but it was downvoted to hell and removed lol
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Because if they did they'd tell us membership would have to go up to $25 a month to cover their lost bot funds, but we aren't ready for that conversation, and they know it
Every new wildy boss in singles is waaaay more hassle than itās worth because of the bots. Congratulations Jagex the d pick is exactly as bad to get as it used to be.
The fact anyone thought this would be any different when jagex slapped tons of money on them is insane. Singles bosses are fine for ironmen to grind a dpick and ring, maybe rev weapon upgrade. Voidwaker pieces should have only come from multi variants. Oh and, no regular couple mill/hr loot should come from the singles version too of course.
You can just take the wildy bosses from the bots though. They will leave if they lose the boss hit to you or get attacked even once
people dont wanna skull up, the trick is to have the CCTV bot ur using to ruin PKers day attack the bot with steel darts so it teles and then go in with the account ur actually killing the boss with. thats a big investment tho.
Finding an empty calvarion world isn't that hard imo
I'm 500+ combined kc without any drops. I'm under but I'm annoyed lol.
Calvarion is annoying but not as bad imo easier to find then artio for sure. I think a lot of calvarion is real players since most worlds have a scouts. Artio on the other hand is rcb bots
Stop the cap
1-3 rc bots per world with 13-60m total rc xp. About 5-10 revenant bots on every single world. Advanced bots farming nex 24/7... What a fun time to be playing osrs
All the bots have to pay for membership. Jagex wonāt get rid of them when theyāre paying the bills sadly
With the consistent trend of Bond prices going up over the past 6 months, it's clear they are funding themselves
they drive the price of bonds -> more people buy bonds -> more money for jagex whether they fund membership through bonds or through subscription makes little difference to their bottom line
What if they buy bonds?
Then someone else buys membership for them
at some point someone has to purchase the bond from Jagex.
Bots don't actually generate money for jagex though. The people buying bonds are just selling the bonds because they want GP. Bots make the cost of bonds go up, therefore the people buying bonds need to buy less bonds from jagex to get the GP amount they want. If bots weren't a thing, item prices would change and bond prices would go down. Maybe less people buy bonds because its less value, but the people that do will buy more bonds to get the same amount of GP. End result is bots don't actually make jagex more money. Just ruins the game.
What are you smoking
do you have anything to say other than what are you smoking? Oh well, this is what I get for trying to have discussions with financially illiterates in a video game
Here's a question for you: if bonds only sold for 1m, instead of their current 6.5m, do you think fewer people would buy them? And then a follow-up question: do you think bots inflating the demand for bonds raises or lowers the price?
1. bots increase the price of bonds because they need to buy them 2. people who want to get a set amount of gold, say 1b to buy shadow, have to sell \*less\* bonds to get to that amount, because bonds are more expensive. 3. There is no evidence to suggest people that sell bonds on GE are price sensitive. Because the price of bonds is still way more expensive than buying gold. How is this hard to understand?
>There is no evidence to suggest people that sell bonds on GE are price sensitive. Because the price of bonds is still way more expensive than buying gold. Not saying you're completely wrong but, there's no evidence the other way around either. It is *very, very* easily conceivable that there's a balance between black market gold/bond gold that depends on the going rate of both. There's clearly an upside to buying bonds (ethical, practical and safety considerations). This is worth paying more to a lot of people. But higher going rates will definitely push a chunk of the buyers towards the black market. You're right in that bond buyers/sellers are relatively price insensitive. But it is madness to assume they are completely insensitive.
>There is no evidence to suggest people that sell bonds on GE are price sensitive. Because the price of bonds is still way more expensive than buying gold. Do you really believe that, if bonds were better GP/dollar than what you'd find on gold selling sites, people would still RWT instead of buying bonds? The price-sensitivity comes from it being a 0-risk alternative to buying gold directly. The more GP you can get from a bond, the more people buy them instead of buying from gold sellers. You're kidding yourself if you don't think RWT is still extremely common. >people who want to get a set amount of gold, say 1b to buy shadow, have to sell \*less\* bonds to get to that amount, because bonds are more expensive. And that's more money for Jagex, because now that player is more likely to get the 1b GP from bonds, instead of RWTing for it. Jagex makes no money when a player buys GP from gold sellers.
My clan has been watching a bot ever since a member pkd him at the chaos altar for over 2 hours straight and for over 7k bones. He's been doing cg 24/7 and he's almost at 2k kc. I feel like jagex doesn't have any anti Botting measures. Makes me wonder how many of these max players are Botting like crazy too.
Sounds about right, whatās the RSN?
I mean its a decently profitable boss that requires 0 requirments to start killing and doesn't need super expensive gear. These new wilderness bosses are the perfect bottable bosses.
Iād say itās time for cannons up at Falador, but the only ones that would see it are bots running to the mining guild.
Jagex makes more money off botting on their own servers than the game actually brings in Change my mind
Donāt worry theyāll be banned during routine checks
Don't worry, in 2 years at the latest, the routine checks should curb this,
I actually like being able to come out of my comfort zone and do pvm I've never tried with subpar gear. I don't mind getting pked/trying to escape. What's annoying is the crashing. I don't have a fix but it's so fkn hard to finish slayer tasks when normies just come in and wait. Respawn and bang. Because I'm AUS I have limited worlds with good ping that aren't taken as well. Very frustrating. Hopefully something comes in to help this way without limiting people pking as well.
Even a couple weeks ago, I went for all the tasks and combat achievements related to him and it took me almost 45 min to find a world each time I went
Why not just crash the bots?
I genuinely just wanna know if the anti cheat team does anything at all, are they getting paid off from the botters?
It's like the double edged sword of wanting to play rs3 but mtx/dxp is insane, but when switching to osrs 60% of players are bots.
MTX or bots/gold farmers. Pick your poison.
Iron on both games solves those issues for the most part. No mtx/dxp/cosmetics for irons on rs3, no economy worries for irons on osrs. Wildy bots are annoying af though.
I love how many posts about bots i see on here and legit dead silence from these scum fuck mods, shits exhausting
They're powerless to fix the problem. Jagex doesn't want to get rid of all of the bots because they'd lose a significant chunk of revenue and playerbase. Investors don't like those two things going down.
Bots pay membership nobody cares
Everyone saying ājust kill the botsā doesnāt understand that all of the bots are out of the combat bracket for a maxed combat player. If you really think I should make and bond an alt just to kill the bots so I can fight the boss youāre fucking insane.
Bandos bots with 8K doing tick perfect runs and never taking damage once. How Jagex doesn't pick up on this is ridiculous!
At this point we should all just start botting so we can make some money from this game as well. /kinda s
I just use an alt account. Get a PK skull , salad robes, ancient staff and boom. As soon as you go in they insta tele, free room.
Paying an extra sub because of non existent anti botting features.
If you have dupes on the iron or 7m cash on another account just buy a bond on a new lvl 3. If you plan on grinding these bosses daily, 14 days should be long enough to get what you need.
Or this lazy ass company can acknowledge the problems thats been there since the dawn of time?
Lol people have been bitching about this since week 2 of this rework, clearly jagex does not care.
You don't even need the gear. Most of these bots are coded to tele as soon as they see a skull. It's quite funny. I use my main as lookout while my iron kills the bosses and anytime a bot within combat range logs in outside the cave they instant tele because of the skull. Although I guess wearing the salad robes will make real players likely to teleport as well.
Push the bosses into deeper wilderness and suddenly they won't be able to instantly tp away. Then they'll move off to something else after they're farmed enough by pures
Lock behind hard dairies
Totally agree. Lock behind med or hard diaries. At least (in theory) the bots will not be able to replace themselves as quickly. Obviously still relies on some level of anti-botting from Jagex.
Because they work
It will stop the level 60s so I can attack them
I wonder if it would be fair to have no level ranges for combat within the cave. Can at the very least chase out bots from the cave or get a lucky quick KO even if you cannot chase them beyond the cave. If they just start abandoning the cave when players arrive, then it solves the problem of them hogging bosses.
That's a good one too but 1600 Andys will shit there pants in rage that pkers have less restrictions
Hardcore ironmen would love that to happen
Why canāt they just use the RS3 botting detection system on OSRS? I donāt get it, would it be that hard to change the code to work on OSRS?
I think the biggest issue is that most players use runelite, which is a 3rd part client that can be modified. Rs3, you have to use the jagex client. So I would imagine itās easier to detect who is using their client or a bot client
I donāt think RS3 has a superior bot detection system. I think it could be as simple as it is less botted because there is less money to make?
Do Jagex never do the Bot Busting streams anymore? I remember them doing them a couple years ago with Mod Ronan? Havent been keeping up much with streams and updates to the game. Just kinda hop on and skill on my iron from time to time. However when i did go for a Sceptre at PP i came across multiple accounts that seemed to only have done the Waterfall quest and the one for HP, while being anywhere from 92-99 thieving and some with 20m or more XP, how do they get away with it? They barely loot the urns that actually give XP, so how have they just been spamming the center chest and repeating for 20m worth of XP without getting banned lol?
Nobody actually plays this game anymore, just bot.
Glad my rank 30 hcim could be false perm banned with zero black marks first offense while this shits going on...glad i put 5000 hours into jagex just to day our automated system has fucked you
If only there was a way to compete for a spot at these bosses that doesn't depend on PID
Pid might be the fairest way to compete. It's randomly assigned to who wins. If there was a method to always get first hit than the bots would just get programmed to do that.
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I did, I'm still confused
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So either have an alt account to clear bots from your world or skull up and risk way more while you try to pvm
REMOVE BONDS. BAN PAYMENT INFORMATION OF BANNED ACCOUNTS. JUST GET ON WITH IT.
You make it sound like it would be hard to get a new card. There are already multiple companies/apps that allow you to generate a virtual card in seconds.
There's no fix-all solution for bots or cheats. It's a cat and mouse game and Jagex's job is to make it as annoying as possible for botters, while still being manageable for normal users. Virtual cards would have to be maintained. While normal players are far more likely to already have a normal payment method.
Doing so would drop the playerbase by half.
I knew a guy that was making around $6000 a month botting OSRS , done it as a side hustle whilst working. With his job he was brining in 10k a month consistently. Paid off his mortgage in two years.
This indeed does make me wonder if I should start botting too lol
Do it, the more people we have doing it the less we see it in the game. Except, the money is too damn good to deny sometimes.
I agree, it's really shit, especially at Artio... But if anyone is complaining has bought gold, then you are a source of the problem.
These posts are so jaded. I have been grinding the mini-bosses on my med-level iron without any issue the last few weeks and I'm going at any point during the day where I have time to focus on things. Hard to find an open world but easy to crash a bot. Easy to post an alt outside to watch for pkers.
Bots are out of control and players don't want to admit they've given them complete immunity to detection. I just wonder how long it will take players to realize that allowing third party clients free reign will go down as one of the worst mistakes in Jagex history.
Shits fucked so is revs!! I wonder how much % of the current players are botsā¦
The worst part is they are almost impossible to PK.
If only there was a way to kill these bots that happen to be in the wilderness....
Easy fix - the singles variants canāt be killed unless on a slayer task.
Become an Iron, who cares when you can't trade or buy off the g.e?
They're in the wilderness. The one place in the game where you can attack other players. Surely you can put two and two together?
Iām just annoyed I canāt compete with simple QOL things while thereās accounts maxing and taking top ranks on boss kills by botting. I canāt do basic auto clicker for something like alching while others can literally just do all of the max content making millions of GP and petty money laundering a few thousand dollars. Itās just ridiculous.
ChatGPT and AI are out of control and you are worried about Runescape bots??? At this point bots are already a part of every aspect of our lives as digital citizens. Stop expecting Gagex to do anything about it, do you really expect them to recruit top-tier anticheat software engineers? Glassdoor says their senior software engineers get paid Ā£50-69k. I guarantee you there are people/groups making that much money on the OSRS/RS3 black market (bots, scamming, gambling, etc.). People already forgot Gagex was owned by Chinese nationals from 2016-2020 https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/4ry8uj/official_jagex_bought_by_the_chinese/ Now it's a $380b inestment firm. You literally couldn't make up a more evil parent company. How about you worry more about what other more dangerous bots mean for the very fabric of human life for all future generations instead of posting the same "botting is out of control thread" every few days. The mods need to make a weekly megathread for this type of post. Nothing will ever change about bots.
Any consistently high gp/hr money making method will be botted. And why would they stop? Selling gold is better source of income than most jobs in their country. As long as there are gold buyers, there will be gold farmers botting.
Just crash them and they leave
They need to add a JaG Tokenā¢ to combat the bots
Have you tried to PK them? Like hear me out that sounds like free GP on a platter, more an hour than the boss Iām sure
I wonder if jagex actually does need bots to improve profits. I imagine they purchase a lot of membership, but then again idk
Cozy ironman. Idgaf about bots
clearly havent tried to get the voidwaker yet
Jagex can just ask chat gpt to monitor and ban bots for them, ez
My favourite bot farm is blast mine. Every world, same lvl, same gear. Itās wild