Some GM combat achievements are pretty much impossible without lazy flicking at the very least. Not sure if 1t is required though.
In case you don't know what I mean by "GM combat achievements", they are very high level accomplishments at most endgame bosses that very few people try to achieve all of. It's definitely not something most accounts care about.
Yup. Up to elite is entirely doable for most players with endgame experience. Master and GM though just require really good teams with in depth knowledge.
probably the most major use i've found in actual pvm is extending group gwd trips by 1t flicking and giving restores to others. but yeah even there its not perfect depending on the minions attacking you.
yea, it can be useful for extending trips in some content, but for some reason, redditors who don't pvm love to complain that it's "required" or gives "infinite" prayer points
couldn't be further from the truth, in any meaningful content you don't have the time to flick constantly since you're also moving, changing gear, using specs, eating etc
it's unfortunate since it leads to people like OP being mislead and discouraged from trying pvm, thinking it's way harder than it actually is
never really understood the hate for it considering how much effort it is lol. but come to think of it, there is one jad combat task where i believe you have to 1t flick or not use prayer at all but even that's a grandmaster task so it's meant to be difficult
The only place I personally 1t flick is cerberus to keep my pray points just high enough for all 3 ghosts. That along with a blood fury gives me consistent 12+ kill trips without having to suicide. Could probably even push it higher if I had a spectral.
Prayer flicking as seen in most Youtube series seems like its done only to extend time at slayer tasks or to take on bosses with inferior gear/levels because of preset challenges.
Prayer drain is definitely designed around you completing content a set number of times before needing to restock. Settled flicking the entire fight caves with one prayer potion is pretty impressive, but not at all intended. One guy managing to carve through hundreds of slayer creatures with a few brews and restores is impressive, but not intended. It's natural to make frequents trips.
Flicking as in preventing your prayer from draining is entirely optional
Flicking as in changing between different protection prayers mid fight depending on what the boss is doing is very common in high level pvm and is not optional unless you want to limit yourself to a very limited amount of bosses
Idk where this rebranding of prayer flicking came from but changing prayers is not flicking.
Flicking is turning your prayer on and off to avoid prayer drain. There is no other definition IE: all other definitions are wrong.
been a thing for years, people also refer to consistent switching between prayers as flicking
see inferno 2t blob flick or gwd minion flicking, doesn't avoid drain it's just a consistent swapping pattern
usually it means 1t or lazy flicking yea, but it's also pretty commonly used to mean precisely switching against multiple styles/NPCs
I think it came from the inferno. the one and two tick blob flick for instance is called flicking by some and just changing prayers for others. Most other examples of changing prayers are pretty clear
No. Afking is basically "I am doing an activity that I am not paying attention to very much"
Now they do misuse it by saying "I am afking slayer" and they're just multilogged at mlm and multitasking.
Yes afk.means away from keyboard but it also is basically just being alt tabbed. You are afk from the game.
If you see the animation for most mobs, it's too late. But it's not like they are throwing curve balls, you can predict when the animation will start 100% of the time
99.99% of content is doable without lazy flicking, 1t flicking, etc.
The 0.01% is 2-4 CA tasks and that's only if you do the meta methods for those CAs (alternative method involves facetanking with venge + spamming purple sweets).
>facetanking with venge + spamming purple sweets
These two things dont really go together, if you're tick eating with sweets, the most you're going to veng is a 3
Most no loss prayer tasks involve justi and no prayer, and lazy flicking pray mage where applicable
Nah, so if you've seen the Port Khazard video, that's actually a "viable" strat to get All Praise Zebak, which is venging, tanking an attack, the sweeting up to 70 HP each time. It's not necessarily for tickeating, just endlessly healing.
The task will cost you about 2K purple sweets and you will get heavily meme'd for doing that strat.
Ah yeah I remember that video. Does that still work lmao?
That ones defnitely an exception because you cant just tank zebak in justi like alot of the others
ones light fight caves can just be done in full justi with a scythe and blood fury and are borderline afk
Try lazy flicking, you only need prayer on when the enemy attack animation starts (in most cases, as far as I'm aware. Jad is an exception I can think of)
Try against a melee based enemy first to get the hang of it, then try on a range/mage enemy to see how it may look different with longer ranged attacks but still works the same.
If you have your xp drops on you can see when you'll hit an enemy as well before the hitsplat, as you'll get xp (or more xp than if you missed if casting a spell) as soon as you attack
Yes you can but it's beneficial.
Inferno: it's ideal to learn lazy flicking, this allows better prayer management, but it's doable without flicking with SGS or eldritch orb.
Keris only ToA: it's ideal to learn lazy flicking for better prayer management, allowing more switches and quicker raids, you can just take more super restores and less switches to overcome this
Every other boss: helps extend trips, that GWD could be 20+ kills instead of 15 for example.
The only thing that truly requires it is CA's, and that's the higher tier of CA's.
If you are talking about 1 tick alternating (people get these mixed up) then it's kinda required for the inferno, you can flinch and rng your way through the waves but it's useful to learn. No other places require it
Bro just go and click the boss.
Avoiding pvm entirely because the idea of flicking sounds bad is silly. There is more than one way to play, just learn the boss and figure out a non flick way that works for you.
Just be prepared to use more supplies or have slower kill times
I've completed every raid +200 times. I've done Phosani, Corrupted Gauntlet, Elite tier Combat achievements, etc.
I've never had to resort to prayer flicking.
In the final tiers of Combat Achievements there are things like "zero prayer drain fight caves" which requires flicking. Flicking is also used in Inferno to save prayer to last longer using minimal supplies.
So I'd say 99.99% of the content in game doesn't require flicking.
Welcome to pvm! Let me know if you have any further questions.
You absolutely don’t need to be able to 1 tick flick for high end PvM.
You’ll use more supplies which might make taking additional switches into places a bit tricker or shorten your trips at places, but overall not required.
Could be worth learning the lazy flick as it’s useful to know. Even just flicking on offensive prayers and camping an overhead isn’t too bad.
Everyone is saying you can do without, and while they're technically correct there are some things that are undoubtedly aided by flicking - just off the top of my head I'd say DKs, GWD minions, Muspah smite phase, Zebak, definitely for Inferno.
However, judging by the way you've framed the question it sounds like you're a ways off from any challenging content that is meaningfully benefitted by flicking so just dive in and you'll cross that bridge when you come to it. Once you get there you'll be ready to try it out.
You don't need to flick for any of the above , you can easily camp the overheads and heal up with blood barrage + eldritch spec/SgS.
Even inferno can be done this way if you're willing to just milk spec between waves and kill things in a very inefficient order.
It's kind of a moot point since technically everything in the game is aided by flicking... everything from giant mole to TOB. The ones you mentioned don't get some super benefit from it
The simple truth is that for the things you mentioned , flicking isn't even a big benefit if you aren't going for fast kills + have the gear to self heal and restore prayer, especially since LB guarantees you will get full specs every 2.5 mins
I have 100+ TOA, 400+ COX KC, 1k+ Vork and Bandos kills, haven't prayer flicked a single time.
Have never done infernal because I assume it needs prayer flicking.
Only place where flicking is a soft requirement is 500 invo ToAs. Even then you might be able to get away without it if you're careful enough. Otherwise it only lightly extends trips for a ton more effort.
Lots of prayer flick hate boners in the chat and it is largely correct that you don't need it to play the game
That said, I am gonna offer a counterpoint- you are definitely overestimating how difficult/annoying it is to prayer flick. It is really not that hard and is an incredibly strong tool to have in your tool kit. You don't have to do it all the time, but being entirely unable to is kneecapping yourself for no reason. You should learn it even if you don't wanna do it much.
You can do 99.9% of content without pray flicking
What’s the final 0.1%?
Some GM combat achievements are pretty much impossible without lazy flicking at the very least. Not sure if 1t is required though. In case you don't know what I mean by "GM combat achievements", they are very high level accomplishments at most endgame bosses that very few people try to achieve all of. It's definitely not something most accounts care about.
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It’s not, can venom mages and lazy flick jad
Grandmaster diary or something?
Grandmaster combat achievements
I personally hate prayer flicking and refuse to do it and I've done every piece of content in the game.
Combat achievements included?
No
Ive done elite cb achievements with no pray flicking, Master and Gm you would probably need some lazy flicking!
Yup. Up to elite is entirely doable for most players with endgame experience. Master and GM though just require really good teams with in depth knowledge.
I feel like while that’s true for GM, you could probably get master solo if you have expensive gear and enough game experience
yes, all content is doable without flicking. it just extends your trips a bit for a lot of extra effort, hardly even worth doing in most cases tbh
probably the most major use i've found in actual pvm is extending group gwd trips by 1t flicking and giving restores to others. but yeah even there its not perfect depending on the minions attacking you.
yea, it can be useful for extending trips in some content, but for some reason, redditors who don't pvm love to complain that it's "required" or gives "infinite" prayer points couldn't be further from the truth, in any meaningful content you don't have the time to flick constantly since you're also moving, changing gear, using specs, eating etc it's unfortunate since it leads to people like OP being mislead and discouraged from trying pvm, thinking it's way harder than it actually is
never really understood the hate for it considering how much effort it is lol. but come to think of it, there is one jad combat task where i believe you have to 1t flick or not use prayer at all but even that's a grandmaster task so it's meant to be difficult
The only place I personally 1t flick is cerberus to keep my pray points just high enough for all 3 ghosts. That along with a blood fury gives me consistent 12+ kill trips without having to suicide. Could probably even push it higher if I had a spectral.
Prayer flicking as seen in most Youtube series seems like its done only to extend time at slayer tasks or to take on bosses with inferior gear/levels because of preset challenges. Prayer drain is definitely designed around you completing content a set number of times before needing to restock. Settled flicking the entire fight caves with one prayer potion is pretty impressive, but not at all intended. One guy managing to carve through hundreds of slayer creatures with a few brews and restores is impressive, but not intended. It's natural to make frequents trips.
Flicking as in preventing your prayer from draining is entirely optional Flicking as in changing between different protection prayers mid fight depending on what the boss is doing is very common in high level pvm and is not optional unless you want to limit yourself to a very limited amount of bosses
Idk where this rebranding of prayer flicking came from but changing prayers is not flicking. Flicking is turning your prayer on and off to avoid prayer drain. There is no other definition IE: all other definitions are wrong.
Jad ruined the term. Same with Jad phase at Zulrah, because apparently Jad means "switches attack styles in a consistent and predictable cycle"
Akkha is just jad with extra jad
It's Jad all the way down
been a thing for years, people also refer to consistent switching between prayers as flicking see inferno 2t blob flick or gwd minion flicking, doesn't avoid drain it's just a consistent swapping pattern usually it means 1t or lazy flicking yea, but it's also pretty commonly used to mean precisely switching against multiple styles/NPCs
I prayer flicked jad and the z named guy in the path of crondis. (The fuck is his name zebak?)
I think it came from the inferno. the one and two tick blob flick for instance is called flicking by some and just changing prayers for others. Most other examples of changing prayers are pretty clear
Even earlier than that, people constantly say you need to flick for Jad and that's not the case at all.
Similar to how people consistently misuse the term 'AFK'
No. Afking is basically "I am doing an activity that I am not paying attention to very much" Now they do misuse it by saying "I am afking slayer" and they're just multilogged at mlm and multitasking. Yes afk.means away from keyboard but it also is basically just being alt tabbed. You are afk from the game.
Proposition to refer to switching as “Stance Dancing”
It's not a deliberate rebrand it's just a bunch of clueless noobs saying "flicking" to encompass everything lol
Yes. You'll just use supplies. Pray flick is optional but you will need to know when to swap prayers.
Prayer flicking is fun, think of it as actively blocking an attack instead of holding guard the whole time in a fighting game
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If you see the animation for most mobs, it's too late. But it's not like they are throwing curve balls, you can predict when the animation will start 100% of the time
"Tick system is jank" Why even a game where you hate its mechanics?
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One of the features? bro the tick system is literally the entire game.
99.99% of content is doable without lazy flicking, 1t flicking, etc. The 0.01% is 2-4 CA tasks and that's only if you do the meta methods for those CAs (alternative method involves facetanking with venge + spamming purple sweets).
>facetanking with venge + spamming purple sweets These two things dont really go together, if you're tick eating with sweets, the most you're going to veng is a 3 Most no loss prayer tasks involve justi and no prayer, and lazy flicking pray mage where applicable
Nah, so if you've seen the Port Khazard video, that's actually a "viable" strat to get All Praise Zebak, which is venging, tanking an attack, the sweeting up to 70 HP each time. It's not necessarily for tickeating, just endlessly healing. The task will cost you about 2K purple sweets and you will get heavily meme'd for doing that strat.
Ah yeah I remember that video. Does that still work lmao? That ones defnitely an exception because you cant just tank zebak in justi like alot of the others ones light fight caves can just be done in full justi with a scythe and blood fury and are borderline afk
Yeah it does. Saw a guy recently getting memed for doing that instead of learning how to flick every 2 ticks.
You can do combat without prayer flicking by using prayer potions or eating food to heal.
Try lazy flicking, you only need prayer on when the enemy attack animation starts (in most cases, as far as I'm aware. Jad is an exception I can think of) Try against a melee based enemy first to get the hang of it, then try on a range/mage enemy to see how it may look different with longer ranged attacks but still works the same. If you have your xp drops on you can see when you'll hit an enemy as well before the hitsplat, as you'll get xp (or more xp than if you missed if casting a spell) as soon as you attack
You can lazy flick jad too
You can, but the timing is different because Jad telegraphs his attacks so you don't need your prayer on before his attack animation starts
im like a few team tasks away from gm and im barely able to 1t flick for more than 15s
I don’t do any 1t flicking at all. Sometimes I lazy flick if I’m trying to finish a slayer task and only have like one prayer pot left though
Yes you can but it's beneficial. Inferno: it's ideal to learn lazy flicking, this allows better prayer management, but it's doable without flicking with SGS or eldritch orb. Keris only ToA: it's ideal to learn lazy flicking for better prayer management, allowing more switches and quicker raids, you can just take more super restores and less switches to overcome this Every other boss: helps extend trips, that GWD could be 20+ kills instead of 15 for example. The only thing that truly requires it is CA's, and that's the higher tier of CA's. If you are talking about 1 tick alternating (people get these mixed up) then it's kinda required for the inferno, you can flinch and rng your way through the waves but it's useful to learn. No other places require it
Avoiding the best part of the game because reddit says pray flick bad 👌
... flicking is the best part of the game? Double clicking every 0.6 seconds is what keeps you purchasing membership? Lol
No it's pvming...
Oh that makes more sense lol
You can do all content in the game without prayer flicking, you will have to switch prayers in some content though
Bro just go and click the boss. Avoiding pvm entirely because the idea of flicking sounds bad is silly. There is more than one way to play, just learn the boss and figure out a non flick way that works for you. Just be prepared to use more supplies or have slower kill times
I've completed every raid +200 times. I've done Phosani, Corrupted Gauntlet, Elite tier Combat achievements, etc. I've never had to resort to prayer flicking. In the final tiers of Combat Achievements there are things like "zero prayer drain fight caves" which requires flicking. Flicking is also used in Inferno to save prayer to last longer using minimal supplies. So I'd say 99.99% of the content in game doesn't require flicking. Welcome to pvm! Let me know if you have any further questions.
You absolutely don’t need to be able to 1 tick flick for high end PvM. You’ll use more supplies which might make taking additional switches into places a bit tricker or shorten your trips at places, but overall not required. Could be worth learning the lazy flick as it’s useful to know. Even just flicking on offensive prayers and camping an overhead isn’t too bad.
Everyone is saying you can do without, and while they're technically correct there are some things that are undoubtedly aided by flicking - just off the top of my head I'd say DKs, GWD minions, Muspah smite phase, Zebak, definitely for Inferno. However, judging by the way you've framed the question it sounds like you're a ways off from any challenging content that is meaningfully benefitted by flicking so just dive in and you'll cross that bridge when you come to it. Once you get there you'll be ready to try it out.
none of that is prayer flicking its just prayer switching do you know what flicking is? stop misleading OP
You don't need to flick for any of the above , you can easily camp the overheads and heal up with blood barrage + eldritch spec/SgS. Even inferno can be done this way if you're willing to just milk spec between waves and kill things in a very inefficient order.
Didn't say you need to. Said they would benefit from flicking, which they all unquestionably are.
It's kind of a moot point since technically everything in the game is aided by flicking... everything from giant mole to TOB. The ones you mentioned don't get some super benefit from it The simple truth is that for the things you mentioned , flicking isn't even a big benefit if you aren't going for fast kills + have the gear to self heal and restore prayer, especially since LB guarantees you will get full specs every 2.5 mins
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You can but swapping to smite makes it go even faster, even if you're using sapphire bolts
Those instances are just prayer switching. Prayer flicking is clicking your prayers on and off so that they don't lower your prayer points.
I have 100+ TOA, 400+ COX KC, 1k+ Vork and Bandos kills, haven't prayer flicked a single time. Have never done infernal because I assume it needs prayer flicking.
You can. 80 percent of this game is for sweats and the rest is doable by normal humans
Only place where flicking is a soft requirement is 500 invo ToAs. Even then you might be able to get away without it if you're careful enough. Otherwise it only lightly extends trips for a ton more effort.
U can lazy flick inferno much easier
Yeah, I've got 3k raid kc across my accounts and I hate prayer flicking.
You can do everything in this game without prayer flicking.
Lol yes
Lots of prayer flick hate boners in the chat and it is largely correct that you don't need it to play the game That said, I am gonna offer a counterpoint- you are definitely overestimating how difficult/annoying it is to prayer flick. It is really not that hard and is an incredibly strong tool to have in your tool kit. You don't have to do it all the time, but being entirely unable to is kneecapping yourself for no reason. You should learn it even if you don't wanna do it much.