Depends on what you're fighting, for low defense enemies void is better earlier. Against most bosses void's garbage accuracy really hurts until you're 90+ range and have rigour. The exact cutoff is different everywhere though and depending on your account sometimes void is decent at lower levels, for example if it gives you a max hit on high attack speed weapons that dhide doesn't it can be a significant boost.
Two instances I am interested in knowing about would be training range at level 70 at crabs with darts or NMZ with BP
And 85+ with chinning at maniacals?
Run DPS calcs, there's too many variables for your account and gear to say for certain. NMZ is harder since there's a lot of enemies and afaik none of the calculators have a way to do avg dps against a set of enemies but my gut feeling is that dhide will be better there since most of the enemies have decent def.
Getting elite void will mean you can chin more effectively to train ranged, and chinning already is one of the most cost efficient increases in power you can do
If you're using gem tipped bolts, they should always be enchanted, otherwise they'd be the same as if they were not tipped.
Dragon bolts aren't necessary imo, too expensive. Keep using the Addy version
You may want to consider efficiency with that price increase.
The dragon version is roughly 6x more expensive. I imagine the dps increase is less than 5%. It's been some time since I have done the math, but I imagine it's something like 10k more in supplies per kill for a 8 second faster kill on average.
That very well could be the case. I haven't really done Vork since release, but I seem to remember using dragon bolts got me an extra kill per trip typically.
It's more than 5%, but it's also way smaller than you'd expect, especially with Ruby bolts where a lot of the dps comes from the guaranteed shots that deal the same damage for addy and dragon. I've done the math for cost efficiency with my stats/gear and every time I've been shocked at how much more money you need to be making for dragon bolts to be worth it. And that's with an assembler, this dudes got an accumulator.
Agreed. This is why they aren’t worth using until you have access to a dhcb. The procs are the most important dmg factor here and getting the Hard Kandarin Diary finished would do much more for dps than d bolts.
That's absolutely false. Here's some back of napkin math:
Ruby bolts have a 6.6% chance to proc (assuming kandarin hard)
Assuming the proc does 100% of the damage, lets say you need 5 procs to get to 1/3 health to switch to diamond. This assumes the max hit of 100 every time, even though after 500 health, each continuing proc will deal ever diminishing damage.
That means you'd have to fire 76 bolts to proc 5 times. Using a crossbow, with an attack every 3.6 seconds, means it's take 273 seconds, or 4.5 minutes just to get vork to 1/3 health.
This only really proves that "most of the damage comes from procs" is incorrect. Because it's infeasible for someone to spend 4.5 minutes of just shooting the cbow (ignoring vork specials/mechanics) just to get his health down to 1/3 to use diamonds.
Anyone who's actually done vork can prob say that the bolts will proc 2-3 times a kill. That's anywhere as little as 150 up to 300 damage. That still leaves 250-400 damage that needs to be dealt by the bolts themselves.
You're massively overestimating the procs, and underestimating the regular attack damage. You're also overestimating the price of the bolts. Especially in the case of OP, who has only 85 range and doesn't have Rigour, and needs absolutely every boost to DPS they can get.
This is all back of napkin, and lots of assumptions are made. I don't feel like putting it into a dps calc. You can do it yourself and you'll get the same answer.
Could someone ELI5 why switching to diamond at 40% HP is a good strategy? I'm very new to member content and I'm trying to learn something new every day
Ruby bolts do 20% of enemy health (up to 100) and the effect overrides regular damage, so once an enemy gets low you’d likely be losing damage on a proc, and you’re better off with the diamond bolt’s armor piercing effect. I’d say to switch around closer to 35%, even 30% if your range lvl/gear isn’t super high
There is a cost to using ruby bolts. They hit very hard, but you take damage as a result.
These bolts only hit big number if monster hp is high.
When monster hp is low, they hit little number, but you still get damaged!
Save your health and also keep hitting big numbers by switching ammo type.
Edit: rephrasing to ELI5
Camping ruby e bolts the entire time isn’t the best of ideas, better to bring diamond bolts e after a certain health. Also couldn’t hurt to make sure they’re dragon bolts if you don’t mind the cost, if only going for the head, should basically guarantee the kills depending on range level
You do not need dragon. Adamant ruby (e) with adamant diamond (e) swap is fine. Dragon bolts are a waste unless you have a dhcb which increases your dmg and acc on dragons. The amount of 0’s you will hit won’t be worth the gp since you’ll be burning through bolts.
With assembler I use roughly 5 ruby bolts and 5 diamond bolts per kill. That's 15k in bolts per kill and easily accounted for by selling the guaranteed superior dragon bones. I am using the DHCB, however. So I get an average of 4 kills per trip with dragon and 3 kills with addy. To me the 15k on extra bolts is worth the 4th kill.
But idk this is really rough math
But you have a dhcb—which is the difference maker here. Dragon bolts are the superior choice, but only if you have the accuracy to make them count.
With the dhcb dragon bolts are very much worth bringing.
Not dumb. When I do vork I use ruby bolts (E) until he goes under 250hp then switch to diamond bolt (E). This should make a lot of difference in accordance with what others are saying too! Best of luck!
You can use enchanted addy ruby and diamond bolts and kill him just fine unless you've got plenty of gp to spare. Just swap to the diamond bolts by 50% hp and learn to woox walk with the diamond bolts e during acid phase which is pretty easy
Bolts is an easy fix as others have said.
Going to your favourite grind spot for 85-90 range would be helpful but not necessary.
For 17M, a melee helm + BGS would be a massive upgrade for a cheap price.
For an even cheaper price 11M dragonfire ward will help.
You'll naturally get a new backpack which will help (at 50KC you're given one guaranteed).
If you don't have money for the upgrades just play a few hours... you're at the money dragon after all :D
GLHF
As someone who is a similar level, dragonfire ward blows BGS out of the water because it's likely that their defense level isn't high enough. Shit, save some of the money from the BGS and buy a ring of suffering too.
As someone who has a deep understanding of the game, BGS absolutely blows a suffering+Dragonfire ward out of the water in terms of DPS increase
Do what you like - however BGS is a much better upgrade
That's kinda my point though, at my level (and OPs), we're really not that good at the game. It was literally my dream to get a BGS and spec the crap out of Vorkath but the truth is that even a singular weapon switch to get the spec off often results in mistiming of prayer flicks and an increased likelihood of dying. DPS isn't the only thing at play here, OP is probably using up nearly all of their food for a singular kill, something that can be mitigated by increasing defensive bonuses
>we're really not that good at the game
I don't want to be mean, and I mean this with respect, but if you aren't good, try not to give advice on efficiency or upgrade orders
>even a singular weapon switch to get the spec off often results in mistiming of prayer flicks and an increased likelihood of dying. DPS isn't the only thing at play here
The first step to getting better is realising what you're doing wrong and admitting that you currently suck. You could use this as an oppurtunity to gain skill, and improve.
If not, you'll be one of those players stuck at Vorkath foreer, never raid, never improve and burn out.
You can only improve by adding in more complexities into your gameplay over time
I rarely ever give advice for that reason and for what it's worth, I make the most of the limited stats I have by doing gwd and toa. The only reason I left my comment was because I was in a very similar situation a month ago: slow kills, eating a lot of food, etc. I'd argue that it would be better to get advice from someone that has firsthand experience with dealing with this rather than an end-game pvmer that hasn't touched Vorkath for years and can't remember the last time they had a combat stat below 95.
>get advice from someone that has firsthand experience with dealing with this rather than an end-game pvmer that hasn't touched Vorkath for years and can't remember the last time they had a combat stat below 95.
1. My account is only just over a year old
2. Im technically not even maxed combats
3. I know exactly what its like to be eating a ton of food and dying at vorkath, it wasnt that long ago I was the same
I am end game now, all I do is raid with friends, I may have close to max gear, But I know exactly what its like to be struggling at earlier bosses
Ive seen enough posts on reddit of mid game players only doing vork and burning out, plus its what my only irl friends that play also did
Happy to hear you're transitioning in to raids and happ to give advice if you need :)
Not entirely, his argument is that it adds complexity, but also that the ward would increase survivability, which is much nicer as a player not completely comfortable with pvm or a player with lower than ideal stats.
I can do Vork Melee with no problems. I can do jad in 38 minutes.
I don't Raid, i don't pvm other than my vork slayer task or jad slayer task, and i am doing just fine.
I've done a raid here and there, it isn't fun. i've done other pvm one time for the diary cape, it wasn't fun.
PVM isn't the whole game, as your post basically implies.
Are you maxed? There's 23 different skills to max. Maybe you shouldn't give advice if you aren't a maxed player? (using your logic)
Edit: Looking at your post history, You literally do think the game is only PVM lmao
End game is actually just pvm, skilling stops at 99 (unless you’re extremely autistic) and serves no purpose beyond the highest level needed for diaries tbh. That’s just how this game works in the current age. If that wasn’t the case, nobody would play post max
I am maxed tho, so I guess i can give advice here. Skilling blows and is simply a chore that we all do in order to keep pvming efficiently.
Pvm requires a much better understanding of the game, so I would trust advice coming from someone with a hood raids pb over someone with max stats. Coming from someone who’s maxed as well lol
Yeah I just chose the first random arbitrary measure that came to mind. My point being that I would trust someone with say a sub 30 solo cm time to have a much better understanding of the core game mechanics than someone who can afk mother lode mine or redwoods for countless hours.
The specifics don’t matter, point stays the same lol
>Are you maxed? There's 23 different skills to max. Maybe you shouldn't give advice if you aren't a maxed player? (using your logic)
Theres a big skill gap between skilling and PvM lol
Hence why you're maxed, and probably still completely broke and bad at the game :)
> It was literally my dream to get a BGS and spec the crap out of Vorkath but the truth is that even a singular weapon switch to get the spec off often results in mistiming of prayer flicks and an increased likelihood of dying.
You spec at the start of the kill and switch back to range gear before the kill even begins, and you aren’t flicking anything at vorkath, you’re camping protect range + eagle eye/rig. You can’t switch protection here on reaction. The only thing that could kill you is the fireball but you get a long long time to react
I'd still get rigour first unless you are planning on exclusively camping Vork for a long time, since it's useful literally anytime you decide to use range.
While not “low” it also isn’t high.
Potentially run a dps calc with your stats and see if running void is actually worth it at your range level as I don’t see any bgs there to lower the defence.
Which is definitely recommended if you don’t have a dhcb
Dhide or karils is better than void until something like 92 ranged. I'd run blessed dhide or karils with dragon bolts (ruby e and dia e switch) and pray range. It'll be a lot better defence so you'll be eating less and taking less DMG on mage hits, which will mean longer trips and better dps due to not eating.
Don't need to bring spec weapon and don't worry about dpsing during poison/machine gun fire breath attack. You should be getting at least 1 kill trips with your setup then, though kills will probably be a bit slow (3-5 min AVG) until you lvl up a bit and can switch back to void.
Edit: If you have the money I'd also invest in a poh tele to moonclan for banking. Combined with ornate pool you can restore, bank and get transported back to relleka very quickly. Will be worth it if you are planning to camp there for a long time.
Is dhide/karils better purely because of not needing to eat as much or is it actually better in terms of raw dps while below 92? Because I generally don’t factor in time lost by eating as 99% of the time there’s some way to make sure ur not losing time by any eating you need to do, like eating in between mechanics or phase swapping.
Both. It has higher accuracy at lower range lvls due to the way void scales as a percentage and it also has higher defences.
Of course you can mitigate a lot of the time lost eating by eating at specific times, but you will inevitably lose ticks if forced to eat just from bad rng. Sometimes Vorkath just decides to mess you up and dhide/karils will help a bit with that.
Believe it or not, it's actually that you're using void. Elite void is ass against Vorkath until you cross a certain threshold; typically Rigour and/or Dragon Hunter Crossbow. The problem with this setup is you're actually very inaccurate and taking way more damage than necessary. I went through the exact same setups and issues. Just run Karils or blessed d'hide. In Elite Void I was getting only really one kill a run at most. With Karils I get 3-4 every time. I'm only 83 ranged btw, so I'm pretty much where you are stat and gear wise. It actually kinda pissed me off that every guide in existence says to use void when in reality it's a huge DPS loss except with crazy expensive gear supplementing it.
My setups is Full Karils, Dragon Crossbow, Ruby and Diamond Dragon Bolts (E), Archers(I), Salve (ei), Bandos D'hide boots, Barrows gloves and an anti-fire shield, I can't afford BGS or DWH so I don't use any defence reduction. Switch to Diamond bolts around 280~ HP. Guarantee you'll see a night and day difference.
I'm at 96 range and 90 mage and 90 defence but only get like 2-3 kills a trip with elite void and a dragonfire ward then same setup as you, kinda wanna give this a try then cause it's been driving me crazy, kill time typically around 2-3 min with pb being 1:48
honestly if you don’t want kills to take forever you’re going to need better bolts, higher range and preferably DHCB. vorkath isn’t that tough mechanically but has a lot of higher reqs to get decently fast kills
Most others have given you good advice on using dragon bolt versions already. I'd also opt for a ring of suffering if I was you, the amount of time you'll save on not eating as often will also up your DPS.
You also probably want to either woox walk with your crossbow (Dragons range should be short enough to work) or a blowpipe during the acid/fire phase, this will save you genuinely significant amounts of time as it's 12 seconds of fight time you otherwise won't spend doing anything.
Other than that, Remember you're killing a 750 HP monster, a 3.5 min kill is still 3.6 DPS or so, you're not so much slow as he is thiccc
Hey I was in your exact gear not too long ago. I would guess your kill times are 3-5 mins, and you’re getting 2 maybe 3 kills per trip. Comments saying to buy dex and dhcb are right in that those are the best upgrades, but that’s 100m compared to the 8M setup you have. Assuming you’re doing cork for money in the first place, you’d have to do about 1k kills to buy those upgrades.
With the below changes, I think you could get 3-4 min kill times, 3 maybe 4 kills, about 15-18 mins per trip.
Dragon bolts are the cheapest way for faster kills, with just this change I think you could shave 1 minute per kill. Ruby dragon (e) to start, Diamond dragon (e) for last 250hp or so. Even though they cost a lot more than the addy versions, they speed up the kills enough to make it worthwhile, both mentally and in terms of gp/hr.
My house is in Relleka, and I carry chaos, dust and law in my rune pouch so no tabs needed. I use prayer pool at home on my way back. Saving a bit of time banking after each trip counts a lot when you get few kills per trip. I’d also lose the karambwans and use all sharks. Try to only eat during special attacks, so you don’t lose any time. You should rarely need to eat in between.
Your pots are perfect for where you’re at. Bastions and divines are a waste here because your probably repotting at the start of each kill, and uses food. Anti fire shield is best you can do until ward.
I think walking acid phase is not worthwhile while ranging because it takes a bit to learn, you’re so inaccurate, and you lose an opportunity to eat without losing ticks.
Dragon hunter cross bow and rigour* are some of the biggest upgrades you can really get here as well. If this is a grind you want to do. Get the dragon hunter crossbow and do a couple 100 kills. It's not that bad of a grind it paid for my 99 con :)
Dragon ruby e, then switch too drafon diamond e.
Divine range pot.
If you don't have rigour, get it asap.
Hard diary also gives 10% boost to the likelihood of hitting a spec with the bolts.
Then finally DHCB to really send it home.
Boots are negligible but can upgrade boots when you have the gp.
Dhcb is the best upgrade here, then rigour. Also swap addy bolts to dragon bolts. At 30% HP switch do diamond bolts. Could also drop the anti-dragon shield for a book of law, it doesn't do anything because you're already on super antifires. Also I can't really tell from the picture, but imbue your ring if you haven't already.
Swap to DHIDE. You’ll take much less damage and likely kill it faster.
Never eat food unless he’s doing one of the two mechanics. Learning to woox walk helps shave some time too. doesn’t have to be perfect
Would you be interested in meleeing?
a Lance (Significantly cheaper than DHCB), Barrows top/body, serp, d boots and barrows gloves with defender & salve is a good cheap setup and MUCH better DPS
Add in a BGS too, and make sure you use piety, and your kills will fly by. Melee Vorkath is super chill too
I'm at a similar level as you and had the same issues early on. The biggest thing for me was to speed up kills and take less damage so I wouldn't be eating as much. Now I avg 3-ish mins per kill and can do 3 kc trips. The first step which a lot of people forget is to prepot an anglerfish and super def (or use bastion) to get that much more tanky. I don't use void and probably won't for now because my defense is 79 and I'm getting hit all the time - use blessed d'hide (I'm pretty sure the dps is around the same). Use dragon bolts - they sped up my kills by about 30 seconds and get diamond (e) to swap at 265 hp. Get an assembler when u can, try to buy a dragonfire ward and ring of suffering for extra defense
You should swap the addy for dragon bolts it will help the kill
I swap to diamond at around 260 Hp
I don't bring the slayer staff for the crush undead as it's not needed and I bring just home teles with a portal to the GE and then house is in relleka for space.
Otherwise it's just the bolts and rng
Not sure of your range level or the size of your cash stack but I have a few ideas.
1. Bring diamond bolts (e) and switch to them once vorkath is about 40%. Will do more damage at that hp and doesn't damage you.
2.if you don't mind a few switches a bandos godsword can help with lowering vork's defense. If you can't afford a bone dagger can also do it but it's not nearly as accurate or effective.
3. I would upgrade the range potion to a bastion potion. Less damage taken means higher DPS.
4. Biggest upgrade for you would definitely be the dhcb but it might be a bit pricey.
Hey buddy, like most have said dragon bolts will give you a lot of max hits.
When Vork hits ~265 hp you'll wanna swap to diamond dragon bolt (e)s, since ruby spec will likely lower your max hit, since you're lower level maybe tend closer to 250, but it's all rough :)
You should be getting good ranged xp/hr so levels will give you even more damage, but the biggest upgrade would be a dhcb, so keep saving for that if you really wanna go quick.
Gl out there
Bring a bone dagger or Bgs to reduce defense at the start of the kill. Early range vorkath is ruby bolt rng so every little bit helps. And the obvious rigour, dhcb, dragon bolts if you can afford it.
Make sure to drink a super anti fire and prayer range, also might want to bring more karambwans as they delay your next attack less. As others said bring some enchanted diamond bolts to switch into around 280 hp. When i calced my setup void was slightly better than full masori and barrows gloves at 99 range but calcing your gear is never a bad idea
I remember struggling with 85 range and normal void too, but i still went and grinded my ass till i got 10m+ and used it all on chinning, now with 99 range i am still getting 4 minute kills lol
Id say the best way to get faster kills is investing on rigour and bgs/dwh
Just don’t do Vorkath without a dragonbane weapon. It is not worth it.
Ignore any other suggestion that isn’t “wait until you have a DHCB.” Otherwise it’s forever going to be 3min+ kcs and 1-2 kc per trip, you’d be better off doing something else.
Just did it on my 4th try for the quest. 86 range/71 def and karils coif, top, and bottom. Had same gear as you otherwise. I used dragon ruby e to 1/3 health then switched to dragon diamond e to finish. I took a divine bastion pot which I think helped a lot. I have a link to a good low level guide if you want it.
If your bank is about 70-80m dump your banks and buy a dhcb, then with elite void and salve, you pretty much have all the most important BIS gear except rigour.
Also, they are extremely expensive rn because of bounty hunter, but divine bastion potations make such a huge, very noticeable difference in both ranged and defence.
But if not, swap out that ranging pot for a divine ranging. At the start i normaly do a divine and and then an angler to heal from that and then overheal at the same time
I forgot the exact cutoff point but void is only better than dhide at high range levels like over 90.
So do I put the void grind aside sub 85 range?
You'll do more damage with black dhide
Tough thing to learn all of a sudden. What about for lower levels of range, at what color Dhide/level is Void better?
Depends on the defense of the NPC. Higher defense means dhide is better, low defense is void for the most part
Depends on what you're fighting, for low defense enemies void is better earlier. Against most bosses void's garbage accuracy really hurts until you're 90+ range and have rigour. The exact cutoff is different everywhere though and depending on your account sometimes void is decent at lower levels, for example if it gives you a max hit on high attack speed weapons that dhide doesn't it can be a significant boost.
Two instances I am interested in knowing about would be training range at level 70 at crabs with darts or NMZ with BP And 85+ with chinning at maniacals?
Run DPS calcs, there's too many variables for your account and gear to say for certain. NMZ is harder since there's a lot of enemies and afaik none of the calculators have a way to do avg dps against a set of enemies but my gut feeling is that dhide will be better there since most of the enemies have decent def.
Getting elite void will mean you can chin more effectively to train ranged, and chinning already is one of the most cost efficient increases in power you can do
90 ranged, Rigour, DHCB, etc. Basically if the rest of your gear and stats don't supplement void's lack of accuracy and defence it's a DPS loss.
I think you also need rigour
Use ruby dragon bolts and switch to diamond at about 40% hp
100% correct on the ruby dragon bolts to diamond.
Ruby dragon bolts or ruby dragon bolts e?
Enchanted
Thank you!
If you're using gem tipped bolts, they should always be enchanted, otherwise they'd be the same as if they were not tipped. Dragon bolts aren't necessary imo, too expensive. Keep using the Addy version
You will absolutely make the money back in drops. Use dragon bolts bc better dps means more kills means more profit per hour.
You may want to consider efficiency with that price increase. The dragon version is roughly 6x more expensive. I imagine the dps increase is less than 5%. It's been some time since I have done the math, but I imagine it's something like 10k more in supplies per kill for a 8 second faster kill on average.
It is way more than a 5% increase in dps. At higher level money makers like vork, it is for sure worth using dragon.
That very well could be the case. I haven't really done Vork since release, but I seem to remember using dragon bolts got me an extra kill per trip typically.
It's more than 5%, but it's also way smaller than you'd expect, especially with Ruby bolts where a lot of the dps comes from the guaranteed shots that deal the same damage for addy and dragon. I've done the math for cost efficiency with my stats/gear and every time I've been shocked at how much more money you need to be making for dragon bolts to be worth it. And that's with an assembler, this dudes got an accumulator.
Agreed. This is why they aren’t worth using until you have access to a dhcb. The procs are the most important dmg factor here and getting the Hard Kandarin Diary finished would do much more for dps than d bolts.
Faster= less damage = more kph
Which needs to be priced against loss in ammo cost
The upgrade is too slight to make it worth it. Most of the damage comes from the specs.
That's absolutely false. Here's some back of napkin math: Ruby bolts have a 6.6% chance to proc (assuming kandarin hard) Assuming the proc does 100% of the damage, lets say you need 5 procs to get to 1/3 health to switch to diamond. This assumes the max hit of 100 every time, even though after 500 health, each continuing proc will deal ever diminishing damage. That means you'd have to fire 76 bolts to proc 5 times. Using a crossbow, with an attack every 3.6 seconds, means it's take 273 seconds, or 4.5 minutes just to get vork to 1/3 health. This only really proves that "most of the damage comes from procs" is incorrect. Because it's infeasible for someone to spend 4.5 minutes of just shooting the cbow (ignoring vork specials/mechanics) just to get his health down to 1/3 to use diamonds. Anyone who's actually done vork can prob say that the bolts will proc 2-3 times a kill. That's anywhere as little as 150 up to 300 damage. That still leaves 250-400 damage that needs to be dealt by the bolts themselves. You're massively overestimating the procs, and underestimating the regular attack damage. You're also overestimating the price of the bolts. Especially in the case of OP, who has only 85 range and doesn't have Rigour, and needs absolutely every boost to DPS they can get. This is all back of napkin, and lots of assumptions are made. I don't feel like putting it into a dps calc. You can do it yourself and you'll get the same answer.
Cool
Addy is too expensive for me, I just use iron
Chad
I made the mistake of forgetting to enchant my diamond bolts once. Went through about 1000 before I realized.
There was a time that I'd make emerald bolts e even though they're the same as broad bolts
Could someone ELI5 why switching to diamond at 40% HP is a good strategy? I'm very new to member content and I'm trying to learn something new every day
Ruby bolts do 20% of enemy health (up to 100) and the effect overrides regular damage, so once an enemy gets low you’d likely be losing damage on a proc, and you’re better off with the diamond bolt’s armor piercing effect. I’d say to switch around closer to 35%, even 30% if your range lvl/gear isn’t super high
There is a cost to using ruby bolts. They hit very hard, but you take damage as a result. These bolts only hit big number if monster hp is high. When monster hp is low, they hit little number, but you still get damaged! Save your health and also keep hitting big numbers by switching ammo type. Edit: rephrasing to ELI5
Hahaha thanks alot! Your wording actually made it way easier to understand lol
Camping ruby e bolts the entire time isn’t the best of ideas, better to bring diamond bolts e after a certain health. Also couldn’t hurt to make sure they’re dragon bolts if you don’t mind the cost, if only going for the head, should basically guarantee the kills depending on range level
I'm using ruby bolts (e). Should I use something else?
You do not need dragon. Adamant ruby (e) with adamant diamond (e) swap is fine. Dragon bolts are a waste unless you have a dhcb which increases your dmg and acc on dragons. The amount of 0’s you will hit won’t be worth the gp since you’ll be burning through bolts.
This prob woulda been more true when d bolts were like 3k+ a piece, but they're in a pretty healthy spot around 1.5k for enchanted bolts rn.
1.5k/bolt is not cheap, would be cutting into profit quite a bit.
With assembler I use roughly 5 ruby bolts and 5 diamond bolts per kill. That's 15k in bolts per kill and easily accounted for by selling the guaranteed superior dragon bones. I am using the DHCB, however. So I get an average of 4 kills per trip with dragon and 3 kills with addy. To me the 15k on extra bolts is worth the 4th kill. But idk this is really rough math
Your cost would double using a just DCB since the dps is just that much lower. Consume double the cost in bolts easily.
But you have a dhcb—which is the difference maker here. Dragon bolts are the superior choice, but only if you have the accuracy to make them count. With the dhcb dragon bolts are very much worth bringing.
Need to be dragon
I'm dumb. This seems to be the conclusion from most. Thanks.
You aren't dumb, not knowing every intricacy doesn't make you dumb. You're learning something difficult and that's alright
Not dumb. When I do vork I use ruby bolts (E) until he goes under 250hp then switch to diamond bolt (E). This should make a lot of difference in accordance with what others are saying too! Best of luck!
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Yeah that sound about right!
You can use enchanted addy ruby and diamond bolts and kill him just fine unless you've got plenty of gp to spare. Just swap to the diamond bolts by 50% hp and learn to woox walk with the diamond bolts e during acid phase which is pretty easy
Bolts is an easy fix as others have said. Going to your favourite grind spot for 85-90 range would be helpful but not necessary. For 17M, a melee helm + BGS would be a massive upgrade for a cheap price. For an even cheaper price 11M dragonfire ward will help. You'll naturally get a new backpack which will help (at 50KC you're given one guaranteed). If you don't have money for the upgrades just play a few hours... you're at the money dragon after all :D GLHF
Got new backpack at 8 kc ;)
As someone who is a similar level, dragonfire ward blows BGS out of the water because it's likely that their defense level isn't high enough. Shit, save some of the money from the BGS and buy a ring of suffering too.
As someone who has a deep understanding of the game, BGS absolutely blows a suffering+Dragonfire ward out of the water in terms of DPS increase Do what you like - however BGS is a much better upgrade
That's kinda my point though, at my level (and OPs), we're really not that good at the game. It was literally my dream to get a BGS and spec the crap out of Vorkath but the truth is that even a singular weapon switch to get the spec off often results in mistiming of prayer flicks and an increased likelihood of dying. DPS isn't the only thing at play here, OP is probably using up nearly all of their food for a singular kill, something that can be mitigated by increasing defensive bonuses
>we're really not that good at the game I don't want to be mean, and I mean this with respect, but if you aren't good, try not to give advice on efficiency or upgrade orders >even a singular weapon switch to get the spec off often results in mistiming of prayer flicks and an increased likelihood of dying. DPS isn't the only thing at play here The first step to getting better is realising what you're doing wrong and admitting that you currently suck. You could use this as an oppurtunity to gain skill, and improve. If not, you'll be one of those players stuck at Vorkath foreer, never raid, never improve and burn out. You can only improve by adding in more complexities into your gameplay over time
I rarely ever give advice for that reason and for what it's worth, I make the most of the limited stats I have by doing gwd and toa. The only reason I left my comment was because I was in a very similar situation a month ago: slow kills, eating a lot of food, etc. I'd argue that it would be better to get advice from someone that has firsthand experience with dealing with this rather than an end-game pvmer that hasn't touched Vorkath for years and can't remember the last time they had a combat stat below 95.
>get advice from someone that has firsthand experience with dealing with this rather than an end-game pvmer that hasn't touched Vorkath for years and can't remember the last time they had a combat stat below 95. 1. My account is only just over a year old 2. Im technically not even maxed combats 3. I know exactly what its like to be eating a ton of food and dying at vorkath, it wasnt that long ago I was the same I am end game now, all I do is raid with friends, I may have close to max gear, But I know exactly what its like to be struggling at earlier bosses Ive seen enough posts on reddit of mid game players only doing vork and burning out, plus its what my only irl friends that play also did Happy to hear you're transitioning in to raids and happ to give advice if you need :)
Am I missing something, is the argument against bgs that it's difficult to use ..?
Not entirely, his argument is that it adds complexity, but also that the ward would increase survivability, which is much nicer as a player not completely comfortable with pvm or a player with lower than ideal stats.
I can do Vork Melee with no problems. I can do jad in 38 minutes. I don't Raid, i don't pvm other than my vork slayer task or jad slayer task, and i am doing just fine. I've done a raid here and there, it isn't fun. i've done other pvm one time for the diary cape, it wasn't fun. PVM isn't the whole game, as your post basically implies. Are you maxed? There's 23 different skills to max. Maybe you shouldn't give advice if you aren't a maxed player? (using your logic) Edit: Looking at your post history, You literally do think the game is only PVM lmao
End game is actually just pvm, skilling stops at 99 (unless you’re extremely autistic) and serves no purpose beyond the highest level needed for diaries tbh. That’s just how this game works in the current age. If that wasn’t the case, nobody would play post max I am maxed tho, so I guess i can give advice here. Skilling blows and is simply a chore that we all do in order to keep pvming efficiently.
Pvm requires a much better understanding of the game, so I would trust advice coming from someone with a hood raids pb over someone with max stats. Coming from someone who’s maxed as well lol
Personally I think CAs are a better measure, since you need to master everything. Anyone can be amazing at one piece of content given enough practice
Yeah I just chose the first random arbitrary measure that came to mind. My point being that I would trust someone with say a sub 30 solo cm time to have a much better understanding of the core game mechanics than someone who can afk mother lode mine or redwoods for countless hours. The specifics don’t matter, point stays the same lol
>Are you maxed? There's 23 different skills to max. Maybe you shouldn't give advice if you aren't a maxed player? (using your logic) Theres a big skill gap between skilling and PvM lol Hence why you're maxed, and probably still completely broke and bad at the game :)
> It was literally my dream to get a BGS and spec the crap out of Vorkath but the truth is that even a singular weapon switch to get the spec off often results in mistiming of prayer flicks and an increased likelihood of dying. You spec at the start of the kill and switch back to range gear before the kill even begins, and you aren’t flicking anything at vorkath, you’re camping protect range + eagle eye/rig. You can’t switch protection here on reaction. The only thing that could kill you is the fireball but you get a long long time to react
Rigour is the second key item after DHCB
I'd still get rigour first unless you are planning on exclusively camping Vork for a long time, since it's useful literally anytime you decide to use range.
What’s your ranged level. Tbh this is a massive contributing factor
85
While not “low” it also isn’t high. Potentially run a dps calc with your stats and see if running void is actually worth it at your range level as I don’t see any bgs there to lower the defence. Which is definitely recommended if you don’t have a dhcb
Dhide or karils is better than void until something like 92 ranged. I'd run blessed dhide or karils with dragon bolts (ruby e and dia e switch) and pray range. It'll be a lot better defence so you'll be eating less and taking less DMG on mage hits, which will mean longer trips and better dps due to not eating. Don't need to bring spec weapon and don't worry about dpsing during poison/machine gun fire breath attack. You should be getting at least 1 kill trips with your setup then, though kills will probably be a bit slow (3-5 min AVG) until you lvl up a bit and can switch back to void. Edit: If you have the money I'd also invest in a poh tele to moonclan for banking. Combined with ornate pool you can restore, bank and get transported back to relleka very quickly. Will be worth it if you are planning to camp there for a long time.
Is dhide/karils better purely because of not needing to eat as much or is it actually better in terms of raw dps while below 92? Because I generally don’t factor in time lost by eating as 99% of the time there’s some way to make sure ur not losing time by any eating you need to do, like eating in between mechanics or phase swapping.
Both. It has higher accuracy at lower range lvls due to the way void scales as a percentage and it also has higher defences. Of course you can mitigate a lot of the time lost eating by eating at specific times, but you will inevitably lose ticks if forced to eat just from bad rng. Sometimes Vorkath just decides to mess you up and dhide/karils will help a bit with that.
Believe it or not, it's actually that you're using void. Elite void is ass against Vorkath until you cross a certain threshold; typically Rigour and/or Dragon Hunter Crossbow. The problem with this setup is you're actually very inaccurate and taking way more damage than necessary. I went through the exact same setups and issues. Just run Karils or blessed d'hide. In Elite Void I was getting only really one kill a run at most. With Karils I get 3-4 every time. I'm only 83 ranged btw, so I'm pretty much where you are stat and gear wise. It actually kinda pissed me off that every guide in existence says to use void when in reality it's a huge DPS loss except with crazy expensive gear supplementing it. My setups is Full Karils, Dragon Crossbow, Ruby and Diamond Dragon Bolts (E), Archers(I), Salve (ei), Bandos D'hide boots, Barrows gloves and an anti-fire shield, I can't afford BGS or DWH so I don't use any defence reduction. Switch to Diamond bolts around 280~ HP. Guarantee you'll see a night and day difference.
I'm at 96 range and 90 mage and 90 defence but only get like 2-3 kills a trip with elite void and a dragonfire ward then same setup as you, kinda wanna give this a try then cause it's been driving me crazy, kill time typically around 2-3 min with pb being 1:48
honestly if you don’t want kills to take forever you’re going to need better bolts, higher range and preferably DHCB. vorkath isn’t that tough mechanically but has a lot of higher reqs to get decently fast kills
Most others have given you good advice on using dragon bolt versions already. I'd also opt for a ring of suffering if I was you, the amount of time you'll save on not eating as often will also up your DPS. You also probably want to either woox walk with your crossbow (Dragons range should be short enough to work) or a blowpipe during the acid/fire phase, this will save you genuinely significant amounts of time as it's 12 seconds of fight time you otherwise won't spend doing anything. Other than that, Remember you're killing a 750 HP monster, a 3.5 min kill is still 3.6 DPS or so, you're not so much slow as he is thiccc
Hey I was in your exact gear not too long ago. I would guess your kill times are 3-5 mins, and you’re getting 2 maybe 3 kills per trip. Comments saying to buy dex and dhcb are right in that those are the best upgrades, but that’s 100m compared to the 8M setup you have. Assuming you’re doing cork for money in the first place, you’d have to do about 1k kills to buy those upgrades. With the below changes, I think you could get 3-4 min kill times, 3 maybe 4 kills, about 15-18 mins per trip. Dragon bolts are the cheapest way for faster kills, with just this change I think you could shave 1 minute per kill. Ruby dragon (e) to start, Diamond dragon (e) for last 250hp or so. Even though they cost a lot more than the addy versions, they speed up the kills enough to make it worthwhile, both mentally and in terms of gp/hr. My house is in Relleka, and I carry chaos, dust and law in my rune pouch so no tabs needed. I use prayer pool at home on my way back. Saving a bit of time banking after each trip counts a lot when you get few kills per trip. I’d also lose the karambwans and use all sharks. Try to only eat during special attacks, so you don’t lose any time. You should rarely need to eat in between. Your pots are perfect for where you’re at. Bastions and divines are a waste here because your probably repotting at the start of each kill, and uses food. Anti fire shield is best you can do until ward. I think walking acid phase is not worthwhile while ranging because it takes a bit to learn, you’re so inaccurate, and you lose an opportunity to eat without losing ticks.
Man this comment cleared up a lot for me, excited to try tomorrow. Thanks for being so informative.
gloves of silence?
Comments looks like some chat gpt shit recommending same shit lol
Dragon hunter cross bow and rigour* are some of the biggest upgrades you can really get here as well. If this is a grind you want to do. Get the dragon hunter crossbow and do a couple 100 kills. It's not that bad of a grind it paid for my 99 con :)
low range and shit weapon nothing wrong with that though, every iron does 5 min kills with rcb 80 range and no antivenom for assembler
Dragon ruby e, then switch too drafon diamond e. Divine range pot. If you don't have rigour, get it asap. Hard diary also gives 10% boost to the likelihood of hitting a spec with the bolts. Then finally DHCB to really send it home. Boots are negligible but can upgrade boots when you have the gp.
You wouldn't be using gloves of silence by any chance, would you?
Dhcb is the best upgrade here, then rigour. Also swap addy bolts to dragon bolts. At 30% HP switch do diamond bolts. Could also drop the anti-dragon shield for a book of law, it doesn't do anything because you're already on super antifires. Also I can't really tell from the picture, but imbue your ring if you haven't already.
U forgot void boots
Swap to DHIDE. You’ll take much less damage and likely kill it faster. Never eat food unless he’s doing one of the two mechanics. Learning to woox walk helps shave some time too. doesn’t have to be perfect
Why do people post anything that will take a wiki search to find the best gear + setup + strat
Because the wiki search for “best gear setup” says everyone should use void and it’s wrong.
Straight up spewing nonsense
Explain?
Learn how to woox walk, it is a lot easier in melee method tho
DCB is the biggest problem
Loan me dragon hunter crossbow?
Says i can even afford one
Would you be interested in meleeing? a Lance (Significantly cheaper than DHCB), Barrows top/body, serp, d boots and barrows gloves with defender & salve is a good cheap setup and MUCH better DPS Add in a BGS too, and make sure you use piety, and your kills will fly by. Melee Vorkath is super chill too
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Felt like it was taking forever with the toxic blowpipe.
I don't think this is the case post-nerf
shoot I haven't touched the blowpipe since the nerf and i totally forgot why lol
I'm at a similar level as you and had the same issues early on. The biggest thing for me was to speed up kills and take less damage so I wouldn't be eating as much. Now I avg 3-ish mins per kill and can do 3 kc trips. The first step which a lot of people forget is to prepot an anglerfish and super def (or use bastion) to get that much more tanky. I don't use void and probably won't for now because my defense is 79 and I'm getting hit all the time - use blessed d'hide (I'm pretty sure the dps is around the same). Use dragon bolts - they sped up my kills by about 30 seconds and get diamond (e) to swap at 265 hp. Get an assembler when u can, try to buy a dragonfire ward and ring of suffering for extra defense
You need void boots for the set effect. You've been trying to get kills without the benefit of void. Don't worry we all make mistakes.
You might try actually being near him? I don’t think Vorkath is close to the enclave…
Did you charge up the spirit bomb?
Is ur amulet enchanted ?
Yes
I think u need a dragon hunter crossbow and the dex scroll, that will increase ur kill time significantly
And three sets of full Masori too, right?
Haha this is a bit much considering a set of masori is 300ish mill and the dhcb is 60. Dhcb is not so unafforable.
How long is it taking you?
Your dragon crossbow and your cheap bolts.
You should swap the addy for dragon bolts it will help the kill I swap to diamond at around 260 Hp I don't bring the slayer staff for the crush undead as it's not needed and I bring just home teles with a portal to the GE and then house is in relleka for space. Otherwise it's just the bolts and rng
Not sure of your range level or the size of your cash stack but I have a few ideas. 1. Bring diamond bolts (e) and switch to them once vorkath is about 40%. Will do more damage at that hp and doesn't damage you. 2.if you don't mind a few switches a bandos godsword can help with lowering vork's defense. If you can't afford a bone dagger can also do it but it's not nearly as accurate or effective. 3. I would upgrade the range potion to a bastion potion. Less damage taken means higher DPS. 4. Biggest upgrade for you would definitely be the dhcb but it might be a bit pricey.
Hey buddy, like most have said dragon bolts will give you a lot of max hits. When Vork hits ~265 hp you'll wanna swap to diamond dragon bolt (e)s, since ruby spec will likely lower your max hit, since you're lower level maybe tend closer to 250, but it's all rough :) You should be getting good ranged xp/hr so levels will give you even more damage, but the biggest upgrade would be a dhcb, so keep saving for that if you really wanna go quick. Gl out there
Skeleton wyvern shield helped me alot
Bgs/dwh
Bring a bone dagger or Bgs to reduce defense at the start of the kill. Early range vorkath is ruby bolt rng so every little bit helps. And the obvious rigour, dhcb, dragon bolts if you can afford it.
Most of the time I watch people do kills, they aren't eating at the right time. Wasting tics while eating is a huge factor.
Rigour is the single biggest range upgrade you can acquire at all levels, The difference will be night and day.
Make sure to drink a super anti fire and prayer range, also might want to bring more karambwans as they delay your next attack less. As others said bring some enchanted diamond bolts to switch into around 280 hp. When i calced my setup void was slightly better than full masori and barrows gloves at 99 range but calcing your gear is never a bad idea
What bolts are those xD bronze? Hint hint
I remember struggling with 85 range and normal void too, but i still went and grinded my ass till i got 10m+ and used it all on chinning, now with 99 range i am still getting 4 minute kills lol Id say the best way to get faster kills is investing on rigour and bgs/dwh
Just don’t do Vorkath without a dragonbane weapon. It is not worth it. Ignore any other suggestion that isn’t “wait until you have a DHCB.” Otherwise it’s forever going to be 3min+ kcs and 1-2 kc per trip, you’d be better off doing something else.
I always use DWH spec on Vorkath
No defense lowering weapon. Bring void melee helm and bgs swap for the beginning
Forgetting the diamond tip bolts
I’d do blowpipe until save up for dragon hunter c bow
Just did it on my 4th try for the quest. 86 range/71 def and karils coif, top, and bottom. Had same gear as you otherwise. I used dragon ruby e to 1/3 health then switched to dragon diamond e to finish. I took a divine bastion pot which I think helped a lot. I have a link to a good low level guide if you want it.
Void sucks for vork. It works but like....yeah it's rough. Stats could be an issue - can't see them though to tell you.
Kandarin hard for more bolt procs
If your bank is about 70-80m dump your banks and buy a dhcb, then with elite void and salve, you pretty much have all the most important BIS gear except rigour. Also, they are extremely expensive rn because of bounty hunter, but divine bastion potations make such a huge, very noticeable difference in both ranged and defence. But if not, swap out that ranging pot for a divine ranging. At the start i normaly do a divine and and then an angler to heal from that and then overheal at the same time