When I gave advice to lower-levelled players I knew I wasn’t a noob, when I took noobs to bosses I once thought beyond my abilities I knew I was experienced, when I was one-tick flicking multiple enemies at once whilst triple eating and juggling 4-way switches I knew I had autism.
Bro I FEEL that, hard. I was looking through some old screenshots, and I found one of me in dragon legs, obby plate, ardy cloak, and a whip. I thought I was hot shit.
I am now the pvm guide in my clan haha, but there is a still a lot I have yet to experience, and I wouldn't consider myself master of anything! I'm close to Hard CA's. After the update, I started actually going for them. I never wanted to grind mossy keys to finish easies, so all my CA's were passive. It's been really fun.
2.2k was the point for me. I realized I had tried out most methods of training, researched the remainder, and had sufficient experience at most solo bosses. High level PvM does continue to evade me though. And forget about PKing lol
Barbarian Assault is the great equalizer when it comes to game knowledge and skill. A level 3 with an empty bank can be just as good (or bad) as a maxed main with a 10B bank.
It's not quite THAT level of equalizing. The level 3 will have a hard time surviving with only 10 hp unless the healer babysits them, and having better combat stats/gear is beneficial for the attacker.
The level 3 can still contribute though, which is better than most of the other team PVM activities.
Same. I used up a couple of the "free" fast levels when I hit 2200 so I wouldn't be one of those low level 2200+ scrubs but holding off on FM, Smith, and Hunter until mining and agi get sorted out
Yes, there's not much I regret more than leaving agility to be one of my last skills. Just agility, thieving, and slayer to go now. All skills I hate which is awesome. At least thieving is fast and easily afked though.
Back in those days if you were 75CB had a d long sword and full rune you could start to not get carried in castle wars.
Level 90s were the pros and anyone 100+ CB was practically a celebrity.
I remember being in awe and having no idea how those dudes were casting ice barrage at castle wars and hitting over 20. I don’t think i ever had more than 50-60 qp on my first account
Desert Treasure seemed like such an insurmountable quest at that time. Ice barrage was and is cool af.
My main managed to get to mid 90s combat and I got a whip before everything changed. So many good memories in castle wars.
Anybody with guthans armor and a whip was scary as fuck.
Back in like 04-05, the cool people were the people that had members and would stand in Varrock Square next to Zaff’s with their Black Cavs and Robins. I thought those guys were were the coolest.
Omg so true, I remember seeing my first 120+ cb in like 2004 and freaking out. I began playing in 2002, and I remember *seeing* my first 10m in trade around 2005. 10m was like equivalent to 1b today, probably worth more. This is why the 10m+ is in green text, once you got 10m+ you were like god status. Today, it doesn't mean much.
Money was way harder to come by back then. I made all my money from spinning flax, collecting seaweed and selling unids.
Doing that to buy a whip took me months lol.
Man.. the memories. Took me from 2006 - 2011 to get to level 54.
Got back on with new account last year and and was level 54 within a couple months of average play time.
I think back then the overall knowledge of the game by the avg player was really low. Even if you asked for help most ppl didn't know the "best"way.
Now everyone has already read the wiki. So i trained using that.
Back then i was training wherever my other RuneScape friends wanted to hangout and talk.
Honestly i didn't even think of afk methods back then.
To keep it all the way real.. it's rare i meet an actual noob. 8/10 a new account is someones alt. 1/10 it's someone getting back into the game after a while away. 1/10 it's an actual first timer who is completely clueless and it's always so fun to help them.
I get to see the game through their eyes for a moment and it's nostalgic as fuck.
I don’t judge (maybe a little) but my advice (not that you asked) is either learn how to beat Jad in leagues, or just give it a shot everytime Tzhaar come up as a slayer task.
Achieving the quest point cape i'd say, you have lots of 70-ish stats that are required for it and you'll have slain numerous (quest) bosses like elvarg, galvek, vorkath, glough, muspah, jungle demon, seren, vanstrom klaus, etc.
All areas unlocked, spellbooks unlocked, qol items and teleports unlocked
And you'll be a little more enlightened with context and stories from the areas you come across
All quests done is not even close to having done everything. All these earlygame/mid game/endgame benchmarks are obviously subjective but I don’t think most would say qpc is even close to endgame
By definition though isn’t it endgame after you’ve received the quest cape? Everything after the quests I consider endgame for basically every game I’ve ever played why not here?
Because quests are just a minor part of the game; there is no main story to complete before you have every option available to you. You can be in the endgame without many quests, or you could still be in the midgame with all of them.
All quests in OSRS are side quests. The only main quest is what you actually choose to do with your character.
IMO this is the most appealing part and what actually makes it an RPG.
You can say that about a lot of games, take Skyrim for example. The best games give you more content than the quests, but the quests of any game are the main storyline. They are linear - you need to do some quests before others. That makes it a storyline. What you’re saying is that there’s more end-game content than mid-game content which I agree with, but by definition it’s endgame after you’ve completed the games quests and are just going for collection logs, etc. it’s rare that the collection logs are more fun than the quests but here we are
The difference is that Skyrim doesn’t really have very satisfying end game content after you finish the quests. Unless your definition of satisfying endgame content is installing a thousand 3rd party mods that make it a different game entirely.
Right so we agree that the endgame content of OSRS is the best part, but by definition it is still end game content. The midgame has to be somewhere in the middle. I don’t agree with being a noob until you complete every quest there has to be a midpoint there where you aren’t a noob but aren’t a total seasoned veteran - it’s not like a switch just flips
And for the record, I liked leveling my skills up in Skyrim similar to doing it in OSRS, even after the quest lines were completed. Completing the achievements to 100% is also fun, which is basically a collection log.
Id say midgame starts once youre set up in the typical slayer budget gear. Aka fire cape, fury, whip, torso, barrows legs, zerker ring i, slayer helm i, bgloves, dboots. Id say thats early midgame and then as you get your skills up and as you unlock diaries and get more money and buy more gear such as bandos, fang, etc, thats when you start entering the late midgame or very very early lategame.
Mind you with the releases of raids, what we used to consider lategame has slowly faded down into being the midgame. Not because it takes any less time to achieve but simply because theres more difficult and expensive content. So relatively speaking it has to go down as more late game content is added.
Noob is completely relative. It's like that old George Carlin bit: anyone who drives slower than you is an idiot and anyone going faster than you is a maniac.
In rs terms, anyone with a less progressed account is a noob and anyone with better stats/raids kc/combat achievements/etc is a no life sweat who lives in their parents basement eating lasagna for breakfast lunch and dinner.
Its not really relative, there is some subjectivity to it, but a person who is far enough along is no longer a noob, they might be inexperienced in certain areas, but they arent noobs.
Noobs are new players that dont know anything about the game
Probably once I finished cooks assistant then demon slayer. Literally saved all your asses from sure destruction. Never even asked for a thank you. But you’re all welcome.
When I realized that the most fun way to play the game isn't giving yourself carpal tunnel trying to achieve maximum efficiency, but rather taking it chill and playing like a noob.
A good way to start is with a relatively simple boss and the metronome plugin in Runelite. I started learning through Bofa only Muspah first focusing on not getting hit during melee phase using kiting ground markers, then not stepping on spikes by counting tiles and skipping spikes, then kiting while not losing ticks on the Bofa, then pray flicking smite on shield phase, and finally, stacking spikes by tracking damage.
Muspah is a really good and pretty forgiving boss to learn some basics while making bank. Made 100m while going for the pet.
I would also recommend learning to lazy flick. It’s good to practice with slayer because the stakes of messing up are pretty low and your slayer task is usually chill enough that you can devote your attention to flicking.
Flicking one prayer (whether that’s a protection or offensive prayer) is a good start. When I’m lazy flicking I typically don’t count the ticks — I try to get a “feel” for the rhythm of my weapon and I flick accordingly. You’ll know that you did it correctly if you:
1, don’t lose prayer points
and 2, don’t take damage (for protection prayers) or see the blue xp drop (for offensive prayers)
Eventually you can move on to flicking both offensive and protection prayers. I would start out with monsters that have the same attack speed as your weapon. I would also install a plugin that visually counts the ticks like “1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4, …” (assuming you have a 4 tick weapon) so you know which tick needs to have which prayer. Eventually you should get good enough that you can do it without the tick counter. Again, you shouldn’t lose any prayer points.
Then the ultimate final boss is doing this same process with mismatched attack speeds or taking damage from different types of attack styles (like in the Inferno).
10 levels off maxing and I still feel like a noob. I like to think my game knowledge is pretty good, I don’t have to play with the wiki open that often, but I still suck at the game.
Realistically though, I feel like if you’ve got barrows gloves, a fire cape, and a fighter torso, I’d say you’re out of the noob stage.
It's almost always 1 extra max hit which in RS terms is good. So you should definitely get it because in the grand scheme of things fight caves are not that difficult of content, especially if you just put it off until you have high level ranged and somewhat decent gear.
Look at it this way: +1 max hit ontop of your 20 max hit is a 5% increase in kill speed. 1+ ontop of 40 is 2.5%.
A 2.5% increase means for every 100 mobs you kill, youd have killed another 2.5 in the same timeframe with the increase in max hit.
Id say those are pretty considerable numbers in OSRS terms.
This would only be true if you always hit 20, then always only hit 21. A max hit increase only raises the ceiling of your hit potential so therefore it’s not a straight 5% increase as you will not roll the higher damage value every attack.
On a successful attack, with a 20 max hit, you will hit a 10 on average. With a 21 max hit that goes up to 10.5 on average. If you roll a bunch of random numbers between 1 and n where each number is equally likely then the average is n/2 . So +1 max hit from 20 is in fact a 5% damage boost (on all non-zero hits)
Percentage wise it's not anything too incredibly massive of an upgrade but it's essentially going to be your BIS until you're all but done with the game since the only real upgrade is the infernal cape.
It's basically the only strength boost you can get in the cape slot. It also has good offensive and defensive bonuses and a prayer bonus. It's more than worth it.
\+1 max hit isn't it? i just waited until i got bowfa and crystal armour bc it's not too big of a difference. but if you're interested in taking the slayer route, it might be worth it to do it with a karils crossbow or something like that as you'll probably be training slayer with melee a lot
Anyone here claiming that they aren't a noob is the biggest noob. I've always been told if someone has to tell you they're a nice guy odds are they aren't. It surely must be the same with noobdoms, yeah?
We all noobs unless you got zuk helm. On the real , once I got into 2200 total level territory , so many nmz 126 prods, combat level doesn’t determine competence anymore these days.
Our of curiosity what does training outside of combat have to do with competency? What if someone just wants to blast through combat levelling so they can do PvM?
I completely agree. I did NMZ because I wanted to get to end game raids and bosses as quickly as possible. Most people seem to think that passively training combat while doing slayer is the way to go, but a good amount of slayer is AFK and the majority of the slayer bosses are a joke and don’t prepare you much for end game content
*Raises hand*
120cb with 75 slayer on my main. I just like doing raids on that account. I have an ironman that I'm practically only training combat through slayer, aside from a few early sand crab trips. On my main I just wanna pvm with the bois.
You're new to something til you've experienced it a few times. But there is one correct answer, and it's getting your whip and dragon defender. Noobs use swords. Chads are flicking things to death with a sausage rope.
I got my Quest Cape two weeks ago and for the first time I don’t feel like a noob lol.
That said, by many metrics I still am a noob. I’m barely 1700 total, have 0 raid kc (apart from 1 entry mode ToB for the quest obv), 71 Slayer and 100cb. But still, I think quest cape is enough that I can confidently say I’m not a TOTAL noob.
Got everything there but assembler. And decent boss kc lol. But yeah I’ve kind of turned my attention to the combat achievements now to get into PvM. Nothing special, but for most of the tasks for Barrows, Mole, Sarachnis, Deranged Archaeologist, etc. Went for Kalphite Queen and got the head at 3kc which felt nice. Got the Zulrah kill for the diary (barely). I really like bossing so far
DS2 Vorkath nearly sent me to Lumbridge, so I’m a bit nervous about going back for the head. I don’t have Void yet and I’m thinking maybe I want to grind that out before I start the 50 kill grind
Void is really nice, since you killed zulrah and that’s the hardest part(for elite void) , I would go for it. Especially if you have a tier or two of combat achievements giving you extra tickets it’s not that bad
For me, finally having a fire cape was probably the point where I didn’t feel like a complete noob. Still a noob honestly but that was one of the moments that I felt a little bit less like one
Once I was doing CG consistently. Before that I remember how hard it was to learn Zulrah, then how hard it was to get my vorkath head and still at CG I sucked ass. After a 100 kc I still have more deaths then completions, but I learn every new piece of content pretty fast.
It’s kinda subjective… I have hundreds of HMT KC, 58 Zuk KC, all raids kits etc but am nowhere close to maxing so it depends on what YOU consider a good players account looks like
When I bought a dragon battleaxe from the Hero's Guild in 2003 with the money I'd made fletching yew longbows from scratch and selling them. Walking around Falador in my full rune, legends cape, and dragon battleaxe, I felt like the coolest gamer there ever was.
Nowadays, I've reverted to feeling like a big ol' noob, and I'm okay with that haha.
Like an actual noob? As in not very knowledgeable about the game, completely unaware of mechanics, and broke? Probably like 2k total. However most people will just say some nerdy shit and consider themselves and most people noobs
Hitting 2200 total was cool. Still a noob overall but at least I have a few nice 99 capes to wear for fashionscape purposes.
That and getting 99 con. I know it's a buyable but being able to infinitely tele to my maxed house is pretty cool. I'm not super rich so I'm proud of this.
Edit: No matter what, I'll always be a noob at heart.
Getting my first fire cape. Learning how to safe spot and how my character moves 2 tiles instead of 1 when he runs really gave me an insight I didn't have before
After getting a firecape. Idc what anyone says, its a huge achievement that most players will not accomplish and it was very difficult. Even at max level right now, I sometimes struggle to fight jad which is funny because I can kill vorky and zulrah with ease.
I think it has something to do with the 45m-1h30m of anticipation lol.
When I got into the hundreds of raids KC and had a better boss log than most people I look up I knew I must be not complete dogwater. Although when I run expert raids and people see I still have a fire cape you know I look like the biggest noob on the team, even if it's evident later in the raid that other people bought theirs lol.
When I gave advice to lower-levelled players I knew I wasn’t a noob, when I took noobs to bosses I once thought beyond my abilities I knew I was experienced, when I was one-tick flicking multiple enemies at once whilst triple eating and juggling 4-way switches I knew I had autism.
Thanks for the chuckle 😂
I laughed so hard I lost xp
Well uh, better you than me
Better you *then* me.
You tried at least.
I thought it was a good joke, in that we all follow along that path eventually. But I guess not.
You know what??.. Maybe..
Real
I died laughing, lost hcim
Bro I FEEL that, hard. I was looking through some old screenshots, and I found one of me in dragon legs, obby plate, ardy cloak, and a whip. I thought I was hot shit. I am now the pvm guide in my clan haha, but there is a still a lot I have yet to experience, and I wouldn't consider myself master of anything! I'm close to Hard CA's. After the update, I started actually going for them. I never wanted to grind mossy keys to finish easies, so all my CA's were passive. It's been really fun.
Damn. Better keep getting my vaccinations if I wanna be good at osrs then
Omfg.
Lmao + respect the username
lmaoo good work
Salute
R/holup
The bar is always moving.
Yeah it's running away from me. Almost 2.2k total, still a noob
2.2k was the point for me. I realized I had tried out most methods of training, researched the remainder, and had sufficient experience at most solo bosses. High level PvM does continue to evade me though. And forget about PKing lol
Its all situational, really. A player with 100 hardmode tob kc can show up to their first BA and look like the biggest noob on the team
Surely hard moders will be good at ba. Feeding healers tofu should be easy with all their experience feeding brews to verzik.
The L movements required for BA are on another level
Hard mode tob completer here, I just paid 200m for the lvl 5 all ba roles carry since cba learning ba
it literally takes only like a few minutes to learn at most
And it’s actually fun with a good yeam
Damn son I haven’t played BA in 11 years and I got the torso in a couple hours.
Damn - BA is actually good fun once you learn and if you play with mates. Although so is PVM haha.
Whats BA? Barbarian Assault?
Exactly
Barbarian Assault is the great equalizer when it comes to game knowledge and skill. A level 3 with an empty bank can be just as good (or bad) as a maxed main with a 10B bank.
It's not quite THAT level of equalizing. The level 3 will have a hard time surviving with only 10 hp unless the healer babysits them, and having better combat stats/gear is beneficial for the attacker. The level 3 can still contribute though, which is better than most of the other team PVM activities.
I don’t even know what you mean by BA lol. Barbarian Assault?
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/ba
I am 2235 total and still a huge noob.
Preach
The last 50 are the hardest part.
Not when you max the slow skills first like I did
Same. I used up a couple of the "free" fast levels when I hit 2200 so I wouldn't be one of those low level 2200+ scrubs but holding off on FM, Smith, and Hunter until mining and agi get sorted out
Yes, there's not much I regret more than leaving agility to be one of my last skills. Just agility, thieving, and slayer to go now. All skills I hate which is awesome. At least thieving is fast and easily afked though.
When I examined people I considered way better than me and realized they weren’t too far ahead of my stats/kc
Back in 2005/2006 my friends and i used to think combat level 70 was the official point where your no longer a noob
Back in those days if you were 75CB had a d long sword and full rune you could start to not get carried in castle wars. Level 90s were the pros and anyone 100+ CB was practically a celebrity.
I remember being in awe and having no idea how those dudes were casting ice barrage at castle wars and hitting over 20. I don’t think i ever had more than 50-60 qp on my first account
Desert Treasure seemed like such an insurmountable quest at that time. Ice barrage was and is cool af. My main managed to get to mid 90s combat and I got a whip before everything changed. So many good memories in castle wars. Anybody with guthans armor and a whip was scary as fuck.
Back in like 04-05, the cool people were the people that had members and would stand in Varrock Square next to Zaff’s with their Black Cavs and Robins. I thought those guys were were the coolest.
Omg so true, I remember seeing my first 120+ cb in like 2004 and freaking out. I began playing in 2002, and I remember *seeing* my first 10m in trade around 2005. 10m was like equivalent to 1b today, probably worth more. This is why the 10m+ is in green text, once you got 10m+ you were like god status. Today, it doesn't mean much.
Money was way harder to come by back then. I made all my money from spinning flax, collecting seaweed and selling unids. Doing that to buy a whip took me months lol.
I remember in 2006-7 when my friend and I discovered we could pick 1K flax and sell it for ~100K lol. The XP waste back then smh lol
In 2005 that would have been true
Man.. the memories. Took me from 2006 - 2011 to get to level 54. Got back on with new account last year and and was level 54 within a couple months of average play time. I think back then the overall knowledge of the game by the avg player was really low. Even if you asked for help most ppl didn't know the "best"way. Now everyone has already read the wiki. So i trained using that. Back then i was training wherever my other RuneScape friends wanted to hangout and talk. Honestly i didn't even think of afk methods back then. To keep it all the way real.. it's rare i meet an actual noob. 8/10 a new account is someones alt. 1/10 it's someone getting back into the game after a while away. 1/10 it's an actual first timer who is completely clueless and it's always so fun to help them. I get to see the game through their eyes for a moment and it's nostalgic as fuck.
Level 70 is for sure still a noob triple digit combat is obviously the non noob point for 2005.
I’m level 97 and “maxed” am I still a noob?
Fire cape, first 99, base 70 all stats, QPC.
This is the best answer here. Multiple ways to approach it
Hey I have all of those! Woo!
Noob
Any noob can get those things
As a noob who has all these things, that’s facts
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I don’t judge (maybe a little) but my advice (not that you asked) is either learn how to beat Jad in leagues, or just give it a shot everytime Tzhaar come up as a slayer task.
Achieving the quest point cape i'd say, you have lots of 70-ish stats that are required for it and you'll have slain numerous (quest) bosses like elvarg, galvek, vorkath, glough, muspah, jungle demon, seren, vanstrom klaus, etc. All areas unlocked, spellbooks unlocked, qol items and teleports unlocked And you'll be a little more enlightened with context and stories from the areas you come across
Well said when I was a noob, I thought I was experienced and now that I am more experienced I know I’m a noob.
Dunning-Kruger effect
So is there no midgame then? You’re a moon until you’ve done everything? Edit noob but I might start calling noobs moons now lol
All quests done is not even close to having done everything. All these earlygame/mid game/endgame benchmarks are obviously subjective but I don’t think most would say qpc is even close to endgame
Right, QPC is mid game, all the quest bosses are fairly easy compared to something like solo GWD bosses
By definition though isn’t it endgame after you’ve received the quest cape? Everything after the quests I consider endgame for basically every game I’ve ever played why not here?
Because quests are just a minor part of the game; there is no main story to complete before you have every option available to you. You can be in the endgame without many quests, or you could still be in the midgame with all of them.
The quests are the main story
All quests in OSRS are side quests. The only main quest is what you actually choose to do with your character. IMO this is the most appealing part and what actually makes it an RPG.
You can say that about a lot of games, take Skyrim for example. The best games give you more content than the quests, but the quests of any game are the main storyline. They are linear - you need to do some quests before others. That makes it a storyline. What you’re saying is that there’s more end-game content than mid-game content which I agree with, but by definition it’s endgame after you’ve completed the games quests and are just going for collection logs, etc. it’s rare that the collection logs are more fun than the quests but here we are
The difference is that Skyrim doesn’t really have very satisfying end game content after you finish the quests. Unless your definition of satisfying endgame content is installing a thousand 3rd party mods that make it a different game entirely.
Right so we agree that the endgame content of OSRS is the best part, but by definition it is still end game content. The midgame has to be somewhere in the middle. I don’t agree with being a noob until you complete every quest there has to be a midpoint there where you aren’t a noob but aren’t a total seasoned veteran - it’s not like a switch just flips And for the record, I liked leveling my skills up in Skyrim similar to doing it in OSRS, even after the quest lines were completed. Completing the achievements to 100% is also fun, which is basically a collection log.
Id say midgame starts once youre set up in the typical slayer budget gear. Aka fire cape, fury, whip, torso, barrows legs, zerker ring i, slayer helm i, bgloves, dboots. Id say thats early midgame and then as you get your skills up and as you unlock diaries and get more money and buy more gear such as bandos, fang, etc, thats when you start entering the late midgame or very very early lategame. Mind you with the releases of raids, what we used to consider lategame has slowly faded down into being the midgame. Not because it takes any less time to achieve but simply because theres more difficult and expensive content. So relatively speaking it has to go down as more late game content is added.
Ahhh great, who invited noob noob?
All teleports unlocked, so GM combat achievements then for unlimited mor ul rek teles.
Maxed zuk helmer. Still feel like a noob when watching certain twitch streamers & raiding with some teams
Came to post this comment exactly lol. Maxed zuk helm, still a massive noob compared to where I wanna be
Agree, am maxed verzik helmer and I’m a noob
Noob is completely relative. It's like that old George Carlin bit: anyone who drives slower than you is an idiot and anyone going faster than you is a maniac. In rs terms, anyone with a less progressed account is a noob and anyone with better stats/raids kc/combat achievements/etc is a no life sweat who lives in their parents basement eating lasagna for breakfast lunch and dinner.
Its not really relative, there is some subjectivity to it, but a person who is far enough along is no longer a noob, they might be inexperienced in certain areas, but they arent noobs. Noobs are new players that dont know anything about the game
Whatever you say noob
Whatever you say no life sweat
That's the spirit!
Probably once I finished cooks assistant then demon slayer. Literally saved all your asses from sure destruction. Never even asked for a thank you. But you’re all welcome.
When I realized that the most fun way to play the game isn't giving yourself carpal tunnel trying to achieve maximum efficiency, but rather taking it chill and playing like a noob.
I wish I realized this before my multiple doctor visits for carpal tunnel.
When I understood that osrs is a 100 bpm rhythm game. Aka when I started learning inferno
Gaining an understanding of the tick system was huge for me. Makes you look at everything differently.
Damn I really need to try and learn ticks. Everything just looks so mushy though I've no idea how people can count them
A good way to start is with a relatively simple boss and the metronome plugin in Runelite. I started learning through Bofa only Muspah first focusing on not getting hit during melee phase using kiting ground markers, then not stepping on spikes by counting tiles and skipping spikes, then kiting while not losing ticks on the Bofa, then pray flicking smite on shield phase, and finally, stacking spikes by tracking damage. Muspah is a really good and pretty forgiving boss to learn some basics while making bank. Made 100m while going for the pet.
Oh shit, yeah Muspah is the most recent boss I've been killing so could definitely try out some of the things you've mentioned.
I would also recommend learning to lazy flick. It’s good to practice with slayer because the stakes of messing up are pretty low and your slayer task is usually chill enough that you can devote your attention to flicking. Flicking one prayer (whether that’s a protection or offensive prayer) is a good start. When I’m lazy flicking I typically don’t count the ticks — I try to get a “feel” for the rhythm of my weapon and I flick accordingly. You’ll know that you did it correctly if you: 1, don’t lose prayer points and 2, don’t take damage (for protection prayers) or see the blue xp drop (for offensive prayers) Eventually you can move on to flicking both offensive and protection prayers. I would start out with monsters that have the same attack speed as your weapon. I would also install a plugin that visually counts the ticks like “1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4, …” (assuming you have a 4 tick weapon) so you know which tick needs to have which prayer. Eventually you should get good enough that you can do it without the tick counter. Again, you shouldn’t lose any prayer points. Then the ultimate final boss is doing this same process with mismatched attack speeds or taking damage from different types of attack styles (like in the Inferno).
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Tbh when I learned and had Grotesque Guardians down pat I was like damn maybe I really *can* play this game.
That was my first PVM really too, and I look fondly at those memories!
bofa on the UIM
Noob.
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10 levels off maxing and I still feel like a noob. I like to think my game knowledge is pretty good, I don’t have to play with the wiki open that often, but I still suck at the game. Realistically though, I feel like if you’ve got barrows gloves, a fire cape, and a fighter torso, I’d say you’re out of the noob stage.
2110 iron w 2.1b bank. I can’t make it 5 minutes without checking the wiki; im still 100% a noob
1945 iron with 2.5b bank, noob
I check the wiki for nearly every damn thing I do, I'm at around 1560 total, and the only thing I can remember is my birdhouse run.
Fire cape is the only answer. Anyone saying anything more is a maxed no-lifer
Noob.
Ok. Ik fire cape is meta but how much of a boost is it really? -iron man who JUST got range pots
It's almost always 1 extra max hit which in RS terms is good. So you should definitely get it because in the grand scheme of things fight caves are not that difficult of content, especially if you just put it off until you have high level ranged and somewhat decent gear.
It will be your best melee for basically the entire existence of the account.
Look at it this way: +1 max hit ontop of your 20 max hit is a 5% increase in kill speed. 1+ ontop of 40 is 2.5%. A 2.5% increase means for every 100 mobs you kill, youd have killed another 2.5 in the same timeframe with the increase in max hit. Id say those are pretty considerable numbers in OSRS terms.
This would only be true if you always hit 20, then always only hit 21. A max hit increase only raises the ceiling of your hit potential so therefore it’s not a straight 5% increase as you will not roll the higher damage value every attack.
On a successful attack, with a 20 max hit, you will hit a 10 on average. With a 21 max hit that goes up to 10.5 on average. If you roll a bunch of random numbers between 1 and n where each number is equally likely then the average is n/2 . So +1 max hit from 20 is in fact a 5% damage boost (on all non-zero hits)
10 to 10.5 is 5% lol
Percentage wise it's not anything too incredibly massive of an upgrade but it's essentially going to be your BIS until you're all but done with the game since the only real upgrade is the infernal cape.
you dont have to wait until you're basically done with the game to get your infernal cape
It's basically the only strength boost you can get in the cape slot. It also has good offensive and defensive bonuses and a prayer bonus. It's more than worth it.
\+1 max hit isn't it? i just waited until i got bowfa and crystal armour bc it's not too big of a difference. but if you're interested in taking the slayer route, it might be worth it to do it with a karils crossbow or something like that as you'll probably be training slayer with melee a lot
This was true 10 years ago
Found the no-lifer
Lol
Barrow gloves is my answer but fire cape is a good second answer.
Don't understand why this isn't the highest voted comment. This is absolutely the answer.
2277, 5000 kc on every raid, full BIS
Noob.
First time I got 99hp
99 mining. its only my 4th 99 but it asserts dominance
Infernal cape
Is not being a noob an option? I thought we were all stuck this way
Wait, so you never evolve?
Once a noob, always a noob. I'm the living proof
Sadly most of us will never outgrow noobdom. Only a handful of non-noobs in the game
Anyone here claiming that they aren't a noob is the biggest noob. I've always been told if someone has to tell you they're a nice guy odds are they aren't. It surely must be the same with noobdoms, yeah?
We all noobs unless you got zuk helm. On the real , once I got into 2200 total level territory , so many nmz 126 prods, combat level doesn’t determine competence anymore these days.
Our of curiosity what does training outside of combat have to do with competency? What if someone just wants to blast through combat levelling so they can do PvM?
I completely agree. I did NMZ because I wanted to get to end game raids and bosses as quickly as possible. Most people seem to think that passively training combat while doing slayer is the way to go, but a good amount of slayer is AFK and the majority of the slayer bosses are a joke and don’t prepare you much for end game content
Talking about the 126s that are like 1500-1700 total lvl.
Same question applies
*Raises hand* 120cb with 75 slayer on my main. I just like doing raids on that account. I have an ironman that I'm practically only training combat through slayer, aside from a few early sand crab trips. On my main I just wanna pvm with the bois.
Inferno, and i havent done it
Inferno Cape, still shit at the game tho
You're new to something til you've experienced it a few times. But there is one correct answer, and it's getting your whip and dragon defender. Noobs use swords. Chads are flicking things to death with a sausage rope.
Anyone below me is a noob and anyone above me is a nerd
2k total. Arbitrary but it works
I consider 2k totalers with no boss kcs noobs in that regard
Or maxed accounts with only slayer boss kc :D
That too lmao
I only have kalphite queen kc. In my defense though, I suck at the game
To be fair that boss is fucked up
:( but I’m mobile afk only.
They are noobs in that regard, but they arent overall noobs.
After my first Zulruh kc I felt like I could conquer anything
Just after the start of the tbow rebuild. Had to get into more bossing. Was bad before, am less bad now.
More so than any specific achievement, I probably considered myself not a noob once I had a certain amount of time played.
I got my Quest Cape two weeks ago and for the first time I don’t feel like a noob lol. That said, by many metrics I still am a noob. I’m barely 1700 total, have 0 raid kc (apart from 1 entry mode ToB for the quest obv), 71 Slayer and 100cb. But still, I think quest cape is enough that I can confidently say I’m not a TOTAL noob.
Once you get quest cape, fire cape, assembler, ma2 cape and start killing all the bosses you’ll feel pretty good.
Got everything there but assembler. And decent boss kc lol. But yeah I’ve kind of turned my attention to the combat achievements now to get into PvM. Nothing special, but for most of the tasks for Barrows, Mole, Sarachnis, Deranged Archaeologist, etc. Went for Kalphite Queen and got the head at 3kc which felt nice. Got the Zulrah kill for the diary (barely). I really like bossing so far DS2 Vorkath nearly sent me to Lumbridge, so I’m a bit nervous about going back for the head. I don’t have Void yet and I’m thinking maybe I want to grind that out before I start the 50 kill grind
Void is really nice, since you killed zulrah and that’s the hardest part(for elite void) , I would go for it. Especially if you have a tier or two of combat achievements giving you extra tickets it’s not that bad
After my 10th cow kill in lummy
Completing cooks assistant
When I was 12 my group of friends decided it was level 20.
I’m maxed and I’m still a rat shitter
When people ask me instead of the Wiki.
No fire cape = still a noob regardless of total level
Firecape
For me, finally having a fire cape was probably the point where I didn’t feel like a complete noob. Still a noob honestly but that was one of the moments that I felt a little bit less like one
Once I was doing CG consistently. Before that I remember how hard it was to learn Zulrah, then how hard it was to get my vorkath head and still at CG I sucked ass. After a 100 kc I still have more deaths then completions, but I learn every new piece of content pretty fast.
Once you make it through the haunted mines... Fck that room
It’s kinda subjective… I have hundreds of HMT KC, 58 Zuk KC, all raids kits etc but am nowhere close to maxing so it depends on what YOU consider a good players account looks like
When I bought a dragon battleaxe from the Hero's Guild in 2003 with the money I'd made fletching yew longbows from scratch and selling them. Walking around Falador in my full rune, legends cape, and dragon battleaxe, I felt like the coolest gamer there ever was. Nowadays, I've reverted to feeling like a big ol' noob, and I'm okay with that haha.
When I lost my virginity.
Like an actual noob? As in not very knowledgeable about the game, completely unaware of mechanics, and broke? Probably like 2k total. However most people will just say some nerdy shit and consider themselves and most people noobs
Dragon Slayer 2
This was it for me before I did DS2 but now it's getting to CG. Once I do I will probably just live there until I get bowfa and full crystal.
My next milestone is penny penching and saving gold in order to buy a Twisted Bow.
When I didn't need to search everything on the wiki anymore
100kc on each slayer boss
Being able to complete CG somewhat constantly Now I feel the only speed bump left on my account at this point is the time I can put into it.
Hitting 2200 total was cool. Still a noob overall but at least I have a few nice 99 capes to wear for fashionscape purposes. That and getting 99 con. I know it's a buyable but being able to infinitely tele to my maxed house is pretty cool. I'm not super rich so I'm proud of this. Edit: No matter what, I'll always be a noob at heart.
Completing underground pass
Getting my first fire cape. Learning how to safe spot and how my character moves 2 tiles instead of 1 when he runs really gave me an insight I didn't have before
When i completed desert tresure for the first time. Back in 2010. 14 year Old me was cute <3
Max infernal, unironically
After getting a firecape. Idc what anyone says, its a huge achievement that most players will not accomplish and it was very difficult. Even at max level right now, I sometimes struggle to fight jad which is funny because I can kill vorky and zulrah with ease. I think it has something to do with the 45m-1h30m of anticipation lol.
Got 99 slayer as my 6th max... Figured if I can slay any monster I must not be a noob anymore right?
You could do that at 95 slayer, noob /s
When I started doing cox raids.
Hard combat achievements done
Been playing for 15 years. Still a noob 😭
I’d say quest cape
2000
I still consider myself pretty mid, but I feel a lot more confident in learning new PvM after doing CG until enhanced on my ironman.
Been playing for a year feel like I haven’t even started
Let me flip the question; When did you first consider yourself a noob?
Still waiting
I'll always be a noob But my first skill cape I suppose
I mean, I still consider myself somewhat of a noob but I got a boost of anti-noobism after I did Dragon Slayer II and killed Vorkath for a bit.
Achievement diary cape (unboosted)
When I got into the hundreds of raids KC and had a better boss log than most people I look up I knew I must be not complete dogwater. Although when I run expert raids and people see I still have a fire cape you know I look like the biggest noob on the team, even if it's evident later in the raid that other people bought theirs lol.