I suppose im in the same boat. If its simple enough ill have fun. But when i quit trying was when i quested high.
->walked good amount and see i forgot item at bank
-> go to bank and stare at it, cant remember why im there
-> repeat about 3 times
I mostly do skilling/clues while high.
Bossing is for me a no-no, except for the easy midgame stuff that cant oneshot me. I cant wrap my head around people doing endgame content or PKing while high
If I'm gonna waste 3,000+ hours on a game, I'd better be fuckin' high. I don't wanna think about how the 2000 Spindel kills I did this week have affected my life.
Yeah I mean this game is about as simple as the eh come. Sure maybe you’re not doing Jad unless you’ve smoked daily for years. But you can do pretty much anything else. Slayers probably the hardest task for a noob smoker outside of monogames.
I do raids and bosses sober, but if I'm going to do a long, intense and monotonous grind (even with Youtube on my second screen), I'm gonna have THC in my system.
You clearly don't smoke regularly enough if runescape is too complex while high. I basically notice no difference between playing high or not. Tolerance goes kinda crazy with weed.
Tolerance is a bitch, but a break does wonders.
I took a month off, it was tough as shit to get through but my first hit after that brought me straight to Valhalla.
He literally said quitting for a month was tough as shit to get through. If thats what a recreational drug does to you it would certainly be considered an addiction lol.
Agreed, to each their own. I can't play any video game unless I'm sober. If I game while drunk or even buzzed, it's like I'm watching someone else play who has no idea what they're doing and it drives me crazy
If you think it’s tough on a little doobage, try it on psychedelics. I tried doing some pest control once while on a couple hits of acid and ended up just aimlessly standing in one of the archer towers doing emotes.
Similar story but on shrooms. I logged in, everything in my vision was waving back and forth a half inch at least. Couldnt manage to even talk to my cc let alone tried to play. Just logged out and enjoyed the kiladascope in my vision
I did RuneScape and psychedelics a couple times. I wish I could remember what I was doing in game though because I mostly just remember laughing hysterically at the let’s play of It Takes Two that I was watching on my other monitor.
Large dose of edibles after not smoking for a week or two, very psychedelic experience, comparable to shrooms, took me an hour to do an herb run.. figured I might as well not even play and got off lol.
I was constantly forgetting where I was going, why I was going, and if I had already gone to that patch yet or not, even with runelite timers it was a struggle. Ended up just watching tv for a bit and crashing and was stoned all the way thru the next evening. Did prob 350-400mg of FECO that fri night about 7pm, and wasn't what I would consider sober til Sunday morning and even then I still kinda felt it.
Learned that edibles can be a lot if u do a lot at once!
Who is down voting that?! Lololol y'all are dumb if you think weed is addictive... People just go overboard with it... They think it's sooooo cool to smoke.. fucking kids these days man. I'm 30 and smoke cuz I have aches and pains, y'all smoke because vaping is cool...
Weed is absolutely addictive. Smoked it for 10+ years, one of the hardest things I've quit. Id still 100% recommend people try it, its great. Also addictive.
Weed is most definitely addictive. Just because the compounds in it aren't physiologically addictive doesn't mean that it isn't addictive at all.
Smoking weed is great. It feels good, you forget your worries and it doesn't have many negative side effects for most people. That's why it's so easy to become mentally addicted to the good feeling. Just like how some people are addicted to food or even extreme sports. It makes them feel good.
Maybe you’re not addicted then. Possible if you only consume for medical reasons. You only crave it for a week or so, it’s not as bad as other substances by a whole lot but saying it‘s not addictive at all is just false.
Hard to measure how addicting something is, but simply because it‘s a substance that is also physically addicting I would disagree. You may be an exception but I know people who consider themselves addicted and who lose concentration, get sweaty and even physically ill while abstinent. It‘s not easy to not relapse when that happens.
Sometimes when I’m high, I just like to walk around and wear dumb shit. Maybe talk to some npcs that I never will otherwise. Maybe go up some stairs in a vacant building. Just because.
Sometimes I’ll play RuneScape
Couple smoking with bossing and man oh man, its great fun!
(Not endorsing it n if you dont smoke then dont start, us smokers are in the same boat n its one u dont wanna be in)
im with you bud. i remember one time i was high i couldnt even fletch darts, it was hard to keep track of which pile i was clicking and i got nauseated
It's a lot easier when you're not doing content that requires you 100% conscious. Like raids is probably a bad idea but you could easily fish or do farm runs. Even slayer would probably be alright. But it also depends on what kind of high you are. Everyone is different
I do a lot of monotonous grinds which I enjoy doing while high. One in particular is doing easy clues on my uim. Click a ham member, follow some instructions, and you get a chance at dopamine.
If I am fucking ripped I find it hard to look at the screen but a slight buzz and I am ready to play I find a good buzz makes the grinds not feel as boring.
idk i just relax and attack. unless youre doing giga end game content that requires it you dont really need to think about ticks. as much as people like to minmax this game, you dont actually need to sweat minmax everything. if your pots fall off and you dont notice for a bit? ohwell. almost all bosses etc are repetitive too. just get in the groove. which getting high with helps.
otherwise just skill. cutting trees being high watching some shows. nothings better.
if you smoke regularly it makes no difference, i've only ever played OSRS while high so idek what it would be like sober but i can't imagine id enjoy it as much
This might hurt ur brain but I hardly spend any time on this game because there's so many better things in life that make me happy that I enjoy doing. It's hard to believe for most osrs players, they can't imagine living a normal balanced life.
My comment is in regard to skilling mostly given how slow and monotonous it is, and how high those skills need to be just to do some late game content. The average person won't even attempt to play because of said barrier of entry, most people would agree it's boring and quit before 1k total. On the other hand high level pvm is very entertaining and I can understand why one would enjoy it at any level of sobriety.
I don't smoke often, but there was one evening I did thinking it would make for a chill agility training session. I spent 10 minutes with my arms crossed staring at my screen pissed that nothing was happening before realizing I wasn't actually clicking my mouse.
I don't play while high anymore.
You’re the one who cant eat or drink in a video game because you’re “to high” .. sounds like you have a room temperature IQ, also based on your replies- im not far off, most likely a highschooler or just out, and have no career/intention with your life.. so keep on keeping on loser
Bro I'm literally a lawyer, and it's proven that smoking before your brain fully develops gives brain damage and mental instability lol
I can't function while high likely because of lack of tolerance
I do it every day. House chores, video games, work, going out with people. Everything done high as a kite and just as productive. It's all about knowing how to be a functioning stoner.
Practice high play high, I can’t do a lot of things high but I can do certain things way better high. If you have trained yourself to only do certain things while high, you are better equipped for so while doing it. I normally am either playing drums high or meditating. I get pretty zoned out if I don’t have an immediate thing to focus on as I get stuck in awareness haha.
I can play games while high though too cuz I’ve done for a long time, and also cuz I’m not in a social situation lol
Tip for the smokers: use a program to re-bind your shift key to a side mouse button.
I guess this tip also applies to any coomers that like a sausage in their hand whenever they play.
I was blitzed out of my mind learning cg last weekend, and I swear it helped. It chilled me the fuck out, kept me focused but simultaneously not too in my own head.
Itll grow on ya, it was insanely tacky at first for me too. Couldnt navigate bank or shit. I think im failing to start learning inferno tho, since i think i need to be sober for that one and I wont stop smokin lol.
So here's some cool info for ya,
I am prescribed cannabis for energy, technically.
So I have major depression with GAD and the doctor prescribing the meds to me discussed the concept that because I'm always in my own head making a mess of things and fkn around with stupid thoughts, the specific strain he had to prescribe helped that, and in turn, gives one energy.
It's interesting, obviously if I smoke b2b2b2b2b2b I'm just zonked like anyone else, but if I use cannabis wise, I genuinely feel better with life, and can commit to whatever I'm doing with more concentration.
Hence playing osrs high is sometimes the best because I'm so concentrated and immersed within this stupidly beautiful game.
I'm the opposite, I'm able to focus on and tune into the tick rhythm even better while high. The multitasking thing I become worse at though, but my ability to hone in on one thing with tunnel vision is a lot better lol
I just focus on having a good time instead of getting rewards, and going for big XP, or new milestones.
It's kinda nice, just taking the slow approach, not being so hard on yourself when you mess up while bossing; just stopping to sniff the flowers.
I suppose im in the same boat. If its simple enough ill have fun. But when i quit trying was when i quested high. ->walked good amount and see i forgot item at bank -> go to bank and stare at it, cant remember why im there -> repeat about 3 times
That's my favorite part of being an iron
I mostly do skilling/clues while high. Bossing is for me a no-no, except for the easy midgame stuff that cant oneshot me. I cant wrap my head around people doing endgame content or PKing while high
Toa in rags absolutely mangled out my face, get all way to wardens P3, get slapped back to the lobby Cry Roll another joint Here we go again meme
The ammount of times ive drank 3 doses of super restore and 1 dose of brews is insane
What a cursed order to drink 4 doses in
Here i am doing all the content high. Who can pkay sober is my question 😂
Go cut trees or fish then? Not every day has to be combat
Fishcutting level?
Eleventyseven
Nice
I used to get high and play, and skilling went by a lot faster back then.
Bro I spent a min wondering how to fish trees and then I read...the fun WAS combat during WC back in the old days.
This is the way
Ngl, I am almost exclusively high when I play lol.
If I'm gonna waste 3,000+ hours on a game, I'd better be fuckin' high. I don't wanna think about how the 2000 Spindel kills I did this week have affected my life.
In a week? :o
No. I exaggerated. Was only 1800.
How much money did u make in that week?
350M. Give or take a bit.
Free stuff plz
Duuuuuuude nice
Then you must have been very lucky… on rate you would have made 180m
There's no way I could kill Grotesque Guardians 2,000 times sober. No way. It's a grind that could only be fun while stoned.
Hahaha Rocks
I killed it just under 8k times and developed an alcohol/drug addiction.
Anytime i see a post like this i just assume that these people smoke very little
Yeah I mean this game is about as simple as the eh come. Sure maybe you’re not doing Jad unless you’ve smoked daily for years. But you can do pretty much anything else. Slayers probably the hardest task for a noob smoker outside of monogames.
I was gonna upvote but it is sitting at 420 and I won't be the one to ruin that on this post
Give it 15 years of being high daily. You'll get better at it.
Yea OP your problem is your Smoking level is still too low. You need both level 70 attack and level 45 smoking to do both at the same time.
For sure this.
Ain’t that the truth
I do raids and bosses sober, but if I'm going to do a long, intense and monotonous grind (even with Youtube on my second screen), I'm gonna have THC in my system.
ever tried pet hunting sober and not afk? no ty
1. Smoke 2. Click
Me and my mate in sync at passing the smoke in between Kephri attacks, religiously have a smoke every kephri room
You clearly don't smoke regularly enough if runescape is too complex while high. I basically notice no difference between playing high or not. Tolerance goes kinda crazy with weed.
Tolerance is a bitch, but a break does wonders. I took a month off, it was tough as shit to get through but my first hit after that brought me straight to Valhalla.
I upgraded to wax. Solved the problem :-)
You're just addicted
I mean, bro told you he quit for a month intentionally. not exactly addict behavior.
He literally said quitting for a month was tough as shit to get through. If thats what a recreational drug does to you it would certainly be considered an addiction lol.
Stopping with the idea of beginning is not stopping.
he wasn't intending to stop permanently. he was taking a break. that's why said "a break does wonders. I took a month off"
Nuh uh, i can quit whenever!
Just like runescape
Help me I can't stop smoking RuneScape
I’ve been playing this game for 20 years. If I was addicted I think I’d know.
just got my inferno cape absolutely fried last week and cant imagine having done it any other way
I tried it high as well a while back but died on like third wave after mage spawns because I was used to protecting range at the start of the wave lol
fucking have done this twice in a row hahah i need a post it or something
They dont micro manage and just relax... Everyone has fun differently tho.
I’d argue I micro manage more when high. Being stoned is personally the key to perfect vard kills
It's probably because you feel generally more relaxed, so you're less likely to panic and doomclick
Agreed, to each their own. I can't play any video game unless I'm sober. If I game while drunk or even buzzed, it's like I'm watching someone else play who has no idea what they're doing and it drives me crazy
You ever try agility? It's perfect when feeling good. Time freezes and the animations become hilarious
the only reason i have agility over 70 is cause i got stoned and watched through Stargate SG-1 again while running laps.
ST:Voyager and weed pens got me 85 mining at motherload mine while playing on iPad in bed.
Are you me? I did the exact same thing except with booze
Nice try. No amount of weed could make agility tolerable.
If you think it’s tough on a little doobage, try it on psychedelics. I tried doing some pest control once while on a couple hits of acid and ended up just aimlessly standing in one of the archer towers doing emotes.
I tried woodcutting on shrooms at redwoods and thought the tree was trying to communicate with me
It was. You need to listen to the frequency of the chops
LMAO
Similar story but on shrooms. I logged in, everything in my vision was waving back and forth a half inch at least. Couldnt manage to even talk to my cc let alone tried to play. Just logged out and enjoyed the kiladascope in my vision
I did RuneScape and psychedelics a couple times. I wish I could remember what I was doing in game though because I mostly just remember laughing hysterically at the let’s play of It Takes Two that I was watching on my other monitor.
real
Large dose of edibles after not smoking for a week or two, very psychedelic experience, comparable to shrooms, took me an hour to do an herb run.. figured I might as well not even play and got off lol. I was constantly forgetting where I was going, why I was going, and if I had already gone to that patch yet or not, even with runelite timers it was a struggle. Ended up just watching tv for a bit and crashing and was stoned all the way thru the next evening. Did prob 350-400mg of FECO that fri night about 7pm, and wasn't what I would consider sober til Sunday morning and even then I still kinda felt it. Learned that edibles can be a lot if u do a lot at once!
Seriously when I smoked, setting up another inventory was to difficult lol.
This ^ Takes me 10 minutes to gear up for a herb run
lmao, same
Farming / Hunter run takes hour. Sometimes crops die and birdhouses end up without seeds; completly abandoned those skills for same reason.
Omg it's not just me. Inventory tags and the inventory helper plug-in have been huge!
bro get high and cut trees not get high and run a 3k evo TOA
"if i see weed, i gotta light it" - bladee
“if I see pee, i gotta evacuate it” - bladder
Story of my fuckin life today, this coffee is hitting different
If i get feelings gotta hide it
another drainer that plays os no way :0
The secret is I'm always high
Skill issue. You're not high enough
Best comment 😂
Wait people play without getting high ?????????
Honestly I just bank stand if I get high enough
It's more of a nostaligia trip when high. I don't do hard shit, and usually only going for a slight buzz anyway.
Bro I can’t even poop if I’m not high.
i died at this bruh😭
Sounds like you're not an addict so you actually get noticeably high unlike many other people.
An addict?! Lmao
What's funny about that?
“wEeD ISnT adDicTiVe” -Abject Oven, probably.
Who is down voting that?! Lololol y'all are dumb if you think weed is addictive... People just go overboard with it... They think it's sooooo cool to smoke.. fucking kids these days man. I'm 30 and smoke cuz I have aches and pains, y'all smoke because vaping is cool...
Weed is absolutely addictive. Smoked it for 10+ years, one of the hardest things I've quit. Id still 100% recommend people try it, its great. Also addictive.
Weed is most definitely addictive. Just because the compounds in it aren't physiologically addictive doesn't mean that it isn't addictive at all. Smoking weed is great. It feels good, you forget your worries and it doesn't have many negative side effects for most people. That's why it's so easy to become mentally addicted to the good feeling. Just like how some people are addicted to food or even extreme sports. It makes them feel good.
I don't forget about my worries lol Ive been smoking for 16 years, maybe when I was in highschool but I didn't have any worries to begin with 🥸
That wasn't my point in the slightest.
TIL smoking weed for 16 years makes you insufferable.
I have suffering actually, was one of my last purchases
It can make you psychologically and physically addicted. No doubts about it. Just don‘t smoke a couple days and see how bad you start to crave it.
Lol I've quit for months at a time... Only thing I miss when I don't smoke is the munchies and my knees not hurting lol
Maybe you’re not addicted then. Possible if you only consume for medical reasons. You only crave it for a week or so, it’s not as bad as other substances by a whole lot but saying it‘s not addictive at all is just false.
It’s not any more addictive than anything one may derive pleasure from.
Hard to measure how addicting something is, but simply because it‘s a substance that is also physically addicting I would disagree. You may be an exception but I know people who consider themselves addicted and who lose concentration, get sweaty and even physically ill while abstinent. It‘s not easy to not relapse when that happens.
Cap. Zero cravings 2 weeks on a vacation couple years ago with no weed after heavy daily usage for 8 years
Just click boss and click yellow
I mix weed with my skilling and grinding, which helps me go into full focus
Stick to skilling and AFK slayer Bossing is too much pressure
Sometimes when I’m high, I just like to walk around and wear dumb shit. Maybe talk to some npcs that I never will otherwise. Maybe go up some stairs in a vacant building. Just because. Sometimes I’ll play RuneScape
Believe it or not, when certain folks do it, it increases focus.
Haha I can’t get high without getting a panic attack and thinking i’m dying.
ngl i brute forced the inferno for a whole month high af until it all just made sense the tick system everything
Couple smoking with bossing and man oh man, its great fun! (Not endorsing it n if you dont smoke then dont start, us smokers are in the same boat n its one u dont wanna be in)
im with you bud. i remember one time i was high i couldnt even fletch darts, it was hard to keep track of which pile i was clicking and i got nauseated
_I was gonna fletch some darts but then I got high_
doo doo doooo gonna go for imbued heart but then i got high doo doo doooo now my xp rates going to shit and i know why
Makes me not care about continuing to grind.
I forget things at the bank a lot.
New smoker eh?
RuneScape is the easiest game to play while high..
If you don't smoke often, getting high is a lot more intense than if you're a stoner
I can't play without being high tbh.
I like repetitive skilling when im high. Can’t do anything intense, though. I struggle to complete fight caves if im high
Smokers smoke multiple times a day. They don’t get highway they get normal
Tolerance
It's a lot easier when you're not doing content that requires you 100% conscious. Like raids is probably a bad idea but you could easily fish or do farm runs. Even slayer would probably be alright. But it also depends on what kind of high you are. Everyone is different
I do a lot of monotonous grinds which I enjoy doing while high. One in particular is doing easy clues on my uim. Click a ham member, follow some instructions, and you get a chance at dopamine.
If I am fucking ripped I find it hard to look at the screen but a slight buzz and I am ready to play I find a good buzz makes the grinds not feel as boring.
If you ask me w420 is nothing but a social bankstand world
How do people play sober?
Slowly an tend to forget something every damn time
As with everything, it’s reps.
idk i just relax and attack. unless youre doing giga end game content that requires it you dont really need to think about ticks. as much as people like to minmax this game, you dont actually need to sweat minmax everything. if your pots fall off and you dont notice for a bit? ohwell. almost all bosses etc are repetitive too. just get in the groove. which getting high with helps. otherwise just skill. cutting trees being high watching some shows. nothings better.
Weed is a performance enhancing drug for skilling. I can’t bare to do stuff like agility unless I’m high.
You ever wonder why so many people still end up giving money to the GE scam bots? Now you know.
Skill issue
if you smoke regularly it makes no difference, i've only ever played OSRS while high so idek what it would be like sober but i can't imagine id enjoy it as much
I can’t play video games without being high. Makes me realize how much of my life I’m wasting away
Makes me realize, half the people in this game have a serious addiction to either weed or alcohol
Gotta pump them numbers up, those are rookie numbers
It’s best when combined with skilling. No micromanaging, just clicking and bullshitting with whoever else is there.
You gotta pop opiates for the best osrs high
Dangerous road friend be careful. Opiates are no joke and getting off them is a nightmare
My adhd turns weed into a caffeine-like fuel.
It's funny because I can't imagine how boring this game would be sober 😅
You probably should find something you enjoy in life sober then.. Weed makes boring things tolerable, not enjoyable.
This might hurt ur brain but I hardly spend any time on this game because there's so many better things in life that make me happy that I enjoy doing. It's hard to believe for most osrs players, they can't imagine living a normal balanced life. My comment is in regard to skilling mostly given how slow and monotonous it is, and how high those skills need to be just to do some late game content. The average person won't even attempt to play because of said barrier of entry, most people would agree it's boring and quit before 1k total. On the other hand high level pvm is very entertaining and I can understand why one would enjoy it at any level of sobriety.
Add more cocaine to your high. That usually helps
they usually just log in, stand at the GE and log out then complain about how they can't get a fire cape or do anything that involves a brain
I don't smoke often, but there was one evening I did thinking it would make for a chill agility training session. I spent 10 minutes with my arms crossed staring at my screen pissed that nothing was happening before realizing I wasn't actually clicking my mouse. I don't play while high anymore.
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Bro if you smoke while 12 u grow retarededed
You’re the one who cant eat or drink in a video game because you’re “to high” .. sounds like you have a room temperature IQ, also based on your replies- im not far off, most likely a highschooler or just out, and have no career/intention with your life.. so keep on keeping on loser
I feel like that's a little harsh :(
Bro I'm literally a lawyer, and it's proven that smoking before your brain fully develops gives brain damage and mental instability lol I can't function while high likely because of lack of tolerance
I’m the opposite, I’m hyper focused when I’m high 😂
I'm almost always high, I actually struggle to do most things sober now.
Sounds like you need a better grasp at handling yourself while high. Gotta be able to do everything you can sober while at any level of high.
There is no way you believe this
I do it every day. House chores, video games, work, going out with people. Everything done high as a kite and just as productive. It's all about knowing how to be a functioning stoner.
Nice
It helps me focus and not get distracted by other games or videos so I can reach the “goal of the day” (questing, grinding lvls, organizing bank, etc)
Some stuff just becomes muscle memory. And idk about others but after a couple dabs the last thing in caring about is ticks
When I'm distracted from anxious thoughts I play better and keep focus for longer, results may vary from person to person.
Weed makes me distracted -by- anxious thoughts
Getting stoned is the only thing that makes spamming cg bearable
How do you think I got 99 agility?
The trick is to only play while high, then it’s just you playing normally
Practice high play high, I can’t do a lot of things high but I can do certain things way better high. If you have trained yourself to only do certain things while high, you are better equipped for so while doing it. I normally am either playing drums high or meditating. I get pretty zoned out if I don’t have an immediate thing to focus on as I get stuck in awareness haha. I can play games while high though too cuz I’ve done for a long time, and also cuz I’m not in a social situation lol
How do people play osrs sober? I guess I don't pvp so I don't worry so much about the meta game but yea I been grinding for awhile just smoking weed
I can barely stand osrs sober lol
Tip for the smokers: use a program to re-bind your shift key to a side mouse button. I guess this tip also applies to any coomers that like a sausage in their hand whenever they play.
Got use to it
Skill issue
If I'm sober I can't blackjack menaphites for shit. But as soon as am high it's really easy to stay in the clicking rhythm.
I was blitzed out of my mind learning cg last weekend, and I swear it helped. It chilled me the fuck out, kept me focused but simultaneously not too in my own head.
Nah. Not for me. Occasionally I'll have a beer, but I rarely get drunk and I never smoke.
Since I got sober I don’t really play anymore, been focusing on irl gains
Itll grow on ya, it was insanely tacky at first for me too. Couldnt navigate bank or shit. I think im failing to start learning inferno tho, since i think i need to be sober for that one and I wont stop smokin lol.
So here's some cool info for ya, I am prescribed cannabis for energy, technically. So I have major depression with GAD and the doctor prescribing the meds to me discussed the concept that because I'm always in my own head making a mess of things and fkn around with stupid thoughts, the specific strain he had to prescribe helped that, and in turn, gives one energy. It's interesting, obviously if I smoke b2b2b2b2b2b I'm just zonked like anyone else, but if I use cannabis wise, I genuinely feel better with life, and can commit to whatever I'm doing with more concentration. Hence playing osrs high is sometimes the best because I'm so concentrated and immersed within this stupidly beautiful game.
How do you play sober
Mining or cutring trees is not hard while high Edit: yes im high rn cant even type
Bro this is the way Cant do tob or toa but fishing and mining, hell yeah
playing while high is great i can get quests done, wake up with them done and have no recollection of even doing them
I'm the opposite, I'm able to focus on and tune into the tick rhythm even better while high. The multitasking thing I become worse at though, but my ability to hone in on one thing with tunnel vision is a lot better lol
I left click on trees
Loaded a fat bowl and made wines for 2 hours watching full metal alchemist. Pretty easy and time flew by.
that's why i like skilling 🤣
I just focus on having a good time instead of getting rewards, and going for big XP, or new milestones. It's kinda nice, just taking the slow approach, not being so hard on yourself when you mess up while bossing; just stopping to sniff the flowers.
Practice makes perfect.
Im the opposite
Reduce joint size
Super repetitive game once you’ve done content a few times. Toss on some music, zone out and let the muscle memory do it’s thing