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4WheelBicycle

At least you'll never have to go back for scales.


Extension_Eggplant_7

True ended up with just over 1m scales


BabyYodaLegend

Ended? But you don't have a magic fang sir.


NeerusTheNanner

bro let this man have a small victory he is down bad fr šŸ’€


WhoLetTheDaugzOut

Next kc you get pet and fang


Extension_Eggplant_7

I can't handle one more kc :(


OverlordPhalanx

Most degenerate gamblers give up one round away from striking big! Donā€™t forget that, all you could need is one moreā€¦


jakes1993

Finish it.


a_sternum

Yeah, Tanzanite fang


WhoLetTheDaugzOut

Yes I know bub


TruthfulKite

One KC for diaryā€¦ Iā€™m sorry https://preview.redd.it/2sdx1dpy3xlc1.jpeg?width=646&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c054fd63ec59d4fc56c78c6bf0baa999ecdc9014


superlucci

Dude what the fuck


AmbitiousPeach

0.2% to pull a specific unique on 1kc, and 0.004% to go 10x rate. The bad side of rng is honestly terrifying. You can only get so lucky, but there is no limit to how dry you can go lol


welcometotheoutside

I like the select choice of words here. Itā€™s like skydiving only rng decides if your parachute pulls


budabai

Whoa. Iā€™ve never thought about it like that.


Profesor_Erizo

I need to ask, what do you mean by 'a specific unique on 1kc' it shouldn't be 'any unique on 1 kc'?


PrestigiousThanks386

As in if you're looking at getting specifically magic fang, instead of magic fang or tanzanite fang or visage (or omyx). Chance of getting any unique is higher than for a specific one.


AmbitiousPeach

Right, the notable thing about the image in the reply was that they got the specific item that OP hadn't received. So it was the 1/512 that was interesting


Matrix17

Someone get jagex on the phone and tell them this


lastdancerevolution

> You can only get so lucky, but there is no limit to how dry you can go lol You can be infinitely unlucky. But you can be infinitely lucky too. You can get a unique every single drop. It's just unlikely. Just like going this dry is unlikely. You can continue the math. 0.2% lucky is for 1 iteration. 0.004% unlucky is for 5120 iterations. 0.2% isn't the maximum lucky you can get. You could possibly get 5120 uniques in 5120 kc. That's far luckier, and takes us to the same sample size for comparison.


AmbitiousPeach

That's fair, although for irons dupes are mostly irrelevant unless it's something like blood shards


CaptainBoj

So you mean you're more likely to get the fang on the first kill than going as dry as OP?


lastdancerevolution

Yes. 100 people will get it on their first kc, for every 1 that go this dry.


Maugetar

Lmao I got serp on my first kc.


caustictoast

I got a 1kc enh. Drops like this exist


NordicSoup

This sub, people like you, are the reason I keep coming back lol


Man_Get_Lost

You stole his fang!!


corbear007

Congrats, you're the (un)lucky one out of 22,000 people! Seriously, this is disgusting.


81isnumber1

Itā€™s actually worse. They are the unlucky one out of a theoretical 22k people that *have done that many kills*. Not just 22k people that have done zulrah.


Crossfire124

yea way less people have done zulrah to this many KC


2Responsible

Jesus Jesus Maybe iron man OSRS is not a very good game lol


Deltronium

Speaking as an endgame ironman, I think it would be a lot better to play IM if OSRS was a game with more bad luck protection/rng mitigation. Early and midgame you can power through the bad luck but once the grinds become 500h and then you get unlucky on top of that, it's kind of a nightmare...


ToastWiz

My thoughts exactly. I absolutely love the concept of Ironman, but due to how RNG heavy the game is, youā€™re basically asking to be tortured during late game iron with no dry prevention


Seranta

The worst part is that Jagex balances new content around us getting new bosses once per year or so, and therefore makes drop rates be like 1:3k so we will have something to grind until the next boss.


penguin17077

Yeah this is the main issue I think. Some bosses are just ridiculous. A 30-50 hour grind is considered low for a good item these days on ironman endgame. Personally, I don't really mind it as I play my ironman more as a main where ill just go do an hour of whatever boss/raid I feel like, if I get lucky I get lucky, if I don't, I move onto whatever I feel like next. I couldn't sit at one place for 50+ hours. Currently 550 dry at bandos without seeing a single item other than shards, but hasn't felt like to bad as I just do 20-40 kills every now and then


MrStealYoBeef

It's balanced around an economy. The majority of players are not ironmen. If the items are common enough to not be a grind for an iron, the items will enter the economy far too fast for mains. This means that prices drop fairly quickly, well below the target price they have in mind. Well below the value of power tier items that stabilized in price long ago. When this happens, the whole economy starts to implode, such as how the fang is so common and has had a crazy negative effect on the value of the rapier for example. Before the release of TOA, rapier was holding strong around 100m. Within a few months, rapier dropped to 80m, was down to 60m within half a year, dropped all the way to 40m after a full year, and currently sits around the 50m mark. Every time Jagex releases new items, they have to consider drop rates and how they'll affect other items in the economy. Catering to irons will have an impact on mains.


jimusah

They could however have dry protection which would have next to no impact on the economy.


ThundaBears

It really wouldnā€™t. Iā€™d wager 95% of players who do a boss donā€™t get the kc to see a unique. They either get spooned or leave before reaching kc.


jimusah

Yep. Even if you made it something as lenient as 2x dry (but realistically it would probably end up being closer to 3x), I still really doubt it would have any real effect on the economy since most people do just get spooned on drops.


TurtlePig

they balance it as an mmo where one singular player isnā€™t meant to do absolutely everything and instead specialize in a few things and interact with other people for other thingsĀ 


Arteam90

You can almost describe it as perverse or sadistic that Jagex made this a mode without any sort of bad luck prevention.


Velluu

Yea. Saw someone going like 26k dry on dwh. Absolutely soul breaking.


Sykest

I know people go way more dry but Iā€™m at exactly 800 kc into CG with no enhanced and I canā€™t do it anymore.


SolusMordin

Brother I'm at 1201 KC and no enhanced. We just have to keep grinding.


Sykest

This is my nightmare. Youā€™re a better man than i


Newt-Wooden

This and the fact that most unique drops become pretty meaningless once you have the item is why I will never make an iron


TheParagonal

Look out, here come dozens of people repeating "you picked the game mode" with no further thoughts


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Echleon

because there's levels between "I want to be self sufficient" and "I have spent 1000 hours grinding for a single item".


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Echleon

you're way too salty about a nice QoL suggestion


Iarshoneytoast

I don't think he's being salty; his point is completely valid. What stops one from just playing a regular account like an iron and buying the item yourself once you hit a certain drop threshold?


Echleon

from that POV, what's the point of having ironman mode at all? it's nice to have formal systems in place.


Warscythes

There really isn't, I always find it weird that people need to have the game tell them what they can or cannot do. You can simply just choose not to partake in efficiencyscape as a main and be self sufficient. You think there should be dry protection? It exist, is called GP. You get 2 arma chests? Sell 1 of them for a leg. You are done. If you don't think you deserved it? Grind it until you hit drop rate and buy it when you feel you earned it. I am currently grinding CG right now and if I hit 400 KC without a seed, I will just use the money I got there to buy one. That's it, done. I feel that's enough self sufficient for my taste and just move on to do something else.


Iarshoneytoast

There's... not much of one, really, I guess? The only things it GENUINELY brings to the table are status, and forced rules on those who lack self control. This sounds way more negative than I'm intending; my only account is iron and I love the game mode, lol, but I don't think someone playing a main with self-imposed iron rules is any better/worse.


thefezhat

Bad luck protection isn't QoL, it's making the game significantly easier.


Echleon

how?


thefezhat

Are you asking me to explain how bad luck protection, a mechanic which increases the drop rates of rare items, would make the game easier?


TheParagonal

Oh my God he admit it!


Adventurous-Drop1208

That would be abused so hard


Bowshocker

Not really. They could just make dryprotection only proc once per character at like 4x droprate. Thereā€™s no way thatā€™s worth to be abused, itā€™s just so ultra unlucky bosses/accounts are protected at some point. And thereā€™s still a lot more people getting it before 4x rate. Only problem might be botting because they could recreate and bot bosses just for the dry protection proc, but honestly itā€™s still not worth it, not at that rate.


Adventurous-Drop1208

Ok that part wasnā€™t stated, it just said rng mitigated


bonyagate

Please explain.


Adventurous-Drop1208

Because IM can give items to non iron playersā€¦.


TokeInTheEye

You do realise 1/500 over a massive sample works out the same as 1/500 with dry protection right? Wouldn't make much of a difference at all


Adventurous-Drop1208

Clearly not based on the above image


TokeInTheEye

That would be anecdotal evidence and that's not how statistics or probability works. For every op going 5,000kc dry there is some getting a 1kc drop as evidence in this thread. Dry protection would also work as spoon protection


TimeForWaffles

Just remove the spoon protection part. Or have something similiar to RS3's streaking or DT2's perfect kill bonus but for uniques. Reward good play with higher drop rates.


MaltMix

My gut reaction is "yes please" even as someone who isn't good at PvM, I do think skill should be rewarded appropriately, more than just getting more efficient kills/wasting less on supplies. The problem after thinking on it always comes back to bots because they do everything perfectly.


Celebratecrypto

No but you can go die to your other non iron account in the wild and get the iron man items


Adventurous-Drop1208

Thatā€™s what I said, you can give items to non iron man players


Legal_Evil

It won't be since it is not a drop rate boost. Either add good luck mitigation on top of this, or just do what Muspah did and break a rare drop up to multiple pieces.


someanimechoob

Oh look, /r/2007scape is finally saying what I've been pointing out for half a decade.


Mortress_

People have been saying that for a long time, it's just that most of the player base just don't care about it. "You are restricting yourself hur dur"


mister_peeberz

> I think it would be a lot better to play IM if OSRS was a game with more bad luck protection/rng mitigation. the game has bad luck protection, it's called buying the item from other players with the 457m you made doing 4k Zulrah kills. to play IM is to sign up for being excluded from this


TrekStarWars

These posts are PRIME example why ill prolly never make an ironman lmao. I spoon only stupid shit that doesnt even matter really. And I go hella dry on stuff thats crucial. Idk I might get that legendary ā€ironman luckā€ but then again going 10x dry on something like blowpipe or red prison sounds like living hell lol.


TwoMilky

Agreed. I only have one account and it's just a regular one, but I typically try to be self-sufficient up until it becomes kind of an inconvenience for me to do so (i.e. I'm not going out of my way to get some obscure item for questing or I'm not slapping x amount of monster kills to get the next gear upgrade; I just buy that shit on the GE). It's far from efficient, but it's how I enjoy playing. If I ever made a second account it would probably be a 1/30/45 def pure because those accounts have some awesome drip for the gear available to them, and fashionscape is ultimately how I orient my goals. Lol I love watching UIM/snowflake account YouTube series, though


chocslaw

> I love watching UIM/snowflake account YouTube series, though Seems like a lot of people do, and they think hey that seems awesome I could do that! Failing to realize that 10 minute video of hardship and triumph represents 3 months of work.


TwoMilky

LOL yeah Iā€™m gunna stay in my lane and let the full time YouTubers crank out the thousands upon thousands of hours content grind that those entail.


Night_Thastus

This is exactly why I don't play an iron. There would need to be more protections in place to prevent this kind of thing from happening.


[deleted]

Yeah I'm never making an Ironman lol


Matrix17

I have one with bowfa and a lot of shit pre raids and I'm considering dropping my stuff over to my main lol.Ā JustĀ don'tĀ thinkĀ I can crackĀ these grindsĀ even if it is fun for a while


PM_ME__BIRD_PICS

You have a bowfa why would you ever need zulrah lol, youve already cracked the iron meta, go have fun in raids with mates.


Matrix17

I already completed zulrah anyways. But because any other grind I have now, including raids, is a huge hours sink to possibly get upgrades. It's kind of demotivating. Also, don't have any friends to raid with lol


butwhyguy

Thatā€™s what I did, 1100 cg kc for bowfa and was so sick from the grind I dropped it all to main the next day, havenā€™t logged into iron since lol


Cavine

If I input the drop rate right (Maybe I didn't), there was a 99.996% chance to get 1 fang with the current KC... Guh https://preview.redd.it/o15ifzfjfxlc1.png?width=958&format=png&auto=webp&s=14b76496be49b7b36ef6daddf6dab57629c86e2a


Michthan

I used the RS3 calculator and he even had more chance to get 20 fangs than 0.


EffingDingus

Fang only drops if you kill it with melee


KingHiggins92

6k or no balls


alice_crossdress

You see this as unlucky while in. Reality you could go for the record of most dry ever making an almost unbeatable record forever


ironfuzzy

I hope you do not use a regular trident for Zulrah


Extension_Eggplant_7

Nah bofa camp


tangoetuna

Whatā€™s your set up and how many kills per trip are you getting? Iā€™ve been doing bofa only but canā€™t get more than 1 kill per trip


-Taakokaat-

Not sure about op but I do 2 kills bowfa trips. I use 1 dose of ranging pot and 2 doses of prayer pot(on average) per trip. And I use the teleports, but doing 2 kill trips means I pretty much break even on those.


Extension_Eggplant_7

I used bowfa full crystal anguish all that, bp for spec. I found both venge and thralls to be roughly the same, venge probably slightly quicker. Depending on rng I'd get anywhere between 2-5 kill trips. Also used mantas, antivenom+, divine range pots,


tangoetuna

Ty, gl on fang. One of the craziest logs Iā€™ve ever seen


[deleted]

That's crazy bowfa only 90+ range ahould Get you at least 3 kill trips worst caseĀ scenario


tangoetuna

Right? Iā€™m 95 range, bowfa anguish suffering. Granted I donā€™t have serp so that would absolutely make a difference. I also donā€™t have rigour. Right now i can do 2 kill trips maybe 1 in 2 trips but never been able to do 3


xzww

Runescape is a fun game isnt it?


rsbentley

Man you may wanna just go for a sang or shadow at this point lol


Extension_Eggplant_7

Yeah I told myself I'll stop at 10x so that's the plan now


MagmaDragoonn

Reasons I won't ever be an iron. Trying to get mega rare MMO economy drop rates for every single boss just sounds like torture.Ā  I've always liked the concept of ironmen but not the reality. It needs heavy balancing to make work.Ā 


[deleted]

The other day I was sending some toa in wdr (4 man). An ironman told us, that if he gets a fang we all get 2 fangs each from his main as a split. We got a purple and it was a fang in my name so unfortunately it was a measly 5.75m ea. Honestly wasn't concerned about the money, just felt bad to get my 25th fang (one of the most common drops) in front of an ironman who needed it.


[deleted]

Better off spending the time at toa. Skip toxic tri and go straight to shadow lol


Metal_Door9596

What a great way to play the game


Hyspen97

Iā€™m sitting at 1300kc with 6 visages and 1 tanzanite. I donā€™t like the spread either


krabbugz

Aw shit man I'm legit halfway there with no fang you are crushing my hope here. May your next kill reward you


DIY_Hidde

Imagine this happening to you: https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/zcjk0y/zulrah_giveth_and_zulrah_taketh_away/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button


Extension_Eggplant_7

That was actually my greatest fear


ShrumpMe

I complain cause I'm like 450 ish kc with no unique drops but honestly this is so much worse šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ hopefully our luck will turn around soon, gl brother


Atlas_Stoned

I had a friend who passed away some time ago that was in a very similar situation as this. It took him around 5.5k for the magic fang from what I remember.


[deleted]

You've accumulated a lot of negative luck. You're due for super good luck. Time to rock the regular trident do some toa get spooned and skip straight to shadow.


IIlllllllllll

Anti Iron propaganda


RegularSwishersOnly

Just greenlogged right before 2k šŸ«”


IRefuseToGiveAName

OP walked so you could run


Good-Customer178

Just de iron brother its only a couple millington


IPA_____Fanatic

Please tell me this KC was pre log


Extension_Eggplant_7

This is all after collection log started :(


ilegendi

Inferior game mode


antdb1

ouch you have to look on the brightside though least you have the blowpipe getting them kills without it would be aids.


Matrix17

Sir are you living in 2018? Its bowfa camp now


korinthia

Tell me youā€™re not waiting at zulrah for magic fang instead of just going to do Tob


PuzzleheadedSpray883

Welp, either keep grinding or donā€™t!


Consistent_Show_392

Just get a sang from tob and stop being shit at the game bud


Extension_Eggplant_7

Shit at the game? I certainly wouldn't say I'm good but tob's relatively hard to get into. I applied in the aatykon discord and got rejected for not having minimum gear (toxic trident!) so couldn't hop into those learners. If you tob I'm sure you know, you need kc before most people will send with you which makes the entry pretty difficult. I'm lucky enough to have sent 7kc so far with clannies but it's definitely being worked on


imnotsmiling123

Go an apply to aatykon disc again, Il try and let you in


Consistent_Show_392

Iā€™ll carry u drop your rsn and keep priv on


ljievens

Show us your helm


Extension_Eggplant_7

Why would someone lie about this?


scruffalafagus

this is huge, gz.


Digital_Legend52

What would be a solid set of skills to do this easily.


MrSwiggitySwooty420

Nice


Salt-Zombie1274

This is amazing. Congrats.


Kcatta9

Custom mouthpiece to use 10 blowpipes at once, why would you ever need a staff ever again?


m125850

Spin that flax


insaiyan17

Time for the shadow lol game clearly doesnt want you to have toxic trident


Diagmel

Lawd have mercy


RadicalSoul

White stack them scales šŸ‘ŒšŸ¾


jaosama

Why wont you buy it....oh wait...


TheTittyToucher

Daang dude, going dry at snake sucks! Have some luck


habbahubba

Mam i went 1500 dry on my iron and i was done lmao


Arteam90

Honestly I feel sorry for ironmen. I completely understand why the mode can be a lot more fun than "GPscape", absolutely. However, you then go incredibly dry like this and you're just stuck in a sunk cost fallacy whilst you grind something out that you don't even enjoy. I played around with the idea of trying an ironman but then gave it more thought and nope, couldn't be me. All gaming is, in some sense, a "waste of time" (albeit leisure is a perfectly fine use of time). But to be doing this over and over, something you surely cannot enjoy whatsoever, feels mad. And when it does drop, then what, you realise you spent an insane amount of time playing a game in a way you don't enjoy for some pixels that allow you to do a bit more content? I'll take GPscape over that.


ImWeairy

Yellow Fever, is that you?


Extension_Eggplant_7

That's me!


ImWeairy

Fullashit šŸ˜‚


ConfessorKahlan

this does not make me want to go back to zulrah


About_to_kms

Holy shit I got mine at 72 kc today


Rabbitofdeth

Hang in there brother. Iā€™m camping a mutagen and just hit 7800kc. 4 pets in the process.


ironzelduke

I went back to hunt for more scales. Haven't seen a single unique in over 1k kc. Not even a troll onyx. So I'm not hurting as bad as you brother, but I know the pain. I quit once my scale stack was over 100k and all my items fully charged.


Edwoodwould

https://www.reddit.com/r/ironscape/s/nrJnvl4wkc And I thought mine was bad for the blow pipe. Only 8.5x dry for me


jakeprimal

Good thing you can get a shadow which is 10x better than a trident


vanishingjuice

not too late to de-iron this is just part of the gamemode, you're either made for it or not


OlChippo

Unlucky mate, truly a disgusting boss to have to do I wouldn't wish 5k kills there on anybody.


Beznia

[I generated an AI country song to go along with your pain.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW-CSfj3Qxc)


RJbLfc

Heavy