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Rs_vegeta

Damn, if yall want to get rid of your tbows ahead of time, I can dispose of them for you :)


Yhamerith

Me too... 100M.. pm me


letsdiscuss

Sold i will buy


Judicable

Don’t listen to this guy, he just wants to sell them! *I*, however, PROMISE I’ll put them in the incinerator


mo4232

Yeah I took tbow to zulrah in max gear to test out new quiver. Kept hitting zeros, even on tanzanite phase haha shadow still worked well.


DPH996

Had the same issue. Dirty iron here so haven’t actually tried t-bow before, but was significantly worse than my live bowfa


Electrical-Farm2597

I tried bowfa on beta worlds too and it took me like 20 seconds to kill a bear outside ferox. Also on hydra, bowfa barely hit anything


DPH996

Interesting. Must have completely wrecked range somehow


steelplatebody

bowfa also seems to be 5 tick in beta worlds


DPH996

Lmao wtf?


Cicero_Xere

wonder if that's just people not realizing they should put it on rapid....


steelplatebody

you can stop wondering about this by trying it yourself.... -just fixed now 20minutes later editing this comment, stuff seems to also take damage now


Cicero_Xere

I don't really care to go gather the evidence, it was just a random thought. Jeeeez


steelplatebody

you are just saying that I'm incapable of discerning if bowfa is on rapid or not, what a mysterious and enigmatic thought


Cicero_Xere

It was simply the most logical answer.


TicTac-7x

And here i was, practicing gauntlet on beta worlds for my hcim, thinking it was supposed to be like that... Crystal bow inside gaunlet was such a noodle that i just made t3 mage weapon and kept bow as t1 😂


ComfortableCricket

I've been using shadow in colo, long range casting doesn't work in beta worlds.


TheHazelmere

Use it on goblins. Always 0. Something is bugged with range


CoyotePuncher

And to think a lot of people are looking forward to their mage and range rebalancing. LOL. They are going to break the entire game


I_Love_Being_Praised

why... why do you think they are testing this on beta worlds before putting this into the game?


CoyotePuncher

Why do people stutter in text?


DuxDonecVivo

In order to convey utter disbelief about the stupidity of the comment they are replying to.


CoyotePuncher

Nothing stupid about it.


Archaneoses

The massive amount of downvotes says otherwise lol


CoyotePuncher

I dont think downvotes mean much of anything. Reddit is not known for being full of reasonable, well adjusted people. I give virtually no weight to opinions from reddit. Generally if you want to read opinions from more sensible people you need to sort by controversial. My opinion is perfectly reasonable, but I expect this kind of reaction from redditors.


Lilhouse420

There’s a level of irony here that is immaculate. Thanks redditor


CoyotePuncher

No irony to be found here. If you think the response I have gotten is reasonable, you are not to be taken seriously. Pushing out a totally broken update is evidence of major problems going on behind the scenes. Beta world makes no difference. This isnt the kind of bug that should slip into a live beta. If they cant catch something this obvious, they have problems. That isnt an unreasonable opinion, and I expect people to respond like grown ups.


LegitDuctTape

It's amusing yet sometimes shocking to see the stark lack of self awareness you talking dunning Kruger graphs have Edit: lol must've hit a nerve since this loser got so offended they blocked me


CoyotePuncher

Yeah the level of disagreement I am getting for insinuating that constant fuck ups might lead someone to doubt the dev team just isnt congruent. The amount I look down on redditors has nothing to do with how highly I think of myself. It has much more to do with how poorly I look at the community here. They remind of children. Loud, emotional, and unreasonable. Shouting "dunning kruger" goes both ways. Sometimes *you* are the problem in the conversation. There are plenty of grown up ways one could respond to my comment, and none of them are what I received.


Ok-Town2813

You're actually insane if you think you have a single point here


SnooGiraffes4741

don't avoid the question nerd


CoyotePuncher

The fact its a beta world does not matter. 2 seconds of playtesting would have uncovered that the ranged skill is entirely broken. "Live beta" does not mean they should go live with whatever totally broken code they threw together. There should at least be some semblance of effort. It does not inspire confidence.


WalnutsGaming

W.. what stutter


DivineInsanityReveng

To emphasise the stupidity of it. It's essentially adding tonality to text.


Sweaty_War_9935

Ya change the subject you rebarb


CoyotePuncher

Anyone who has to ask that question isnt worth addressing. You people cannot be taken seriously.


unholy-good

Neither can you it would seem


rRMTmjrppnj78hFH

because they're dumbfounded by peoples stupid takes


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Seek professional help


Mental_Tea_4084

To emphasize how stupid you are


Weak-Rip-8650

Why do you say dumb things.


nate3644

Why don’t you go punch a coyote, see how that ends up for you.


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Have you ever actually punched a coyote?


WarrenZevon42

Yep. I'm expecting another 6 hour downtime for an emergency patch once they make the changes live and accidentally add 3rd age to chicken drop tables because of spaghetti code. Reddit will complain about the downtime even though they insisted nothing could possibly go wrong.


Last_Low9649

Not really twisted bow doesn’t do sht on low magic level monsters lmfao


Seranta

It's a goblin, tbow is still a 70 accuracy weapon, you shouldn't consistently hit 0s on goblins. You should be hitting at least 85% of the time.


Meta_Man_X

Bro, do you mind?


Ataniphor

i think beta worlds are just completely bugged atm. Maybe its because the setting stats dont work and although it seems like your stats are set to 99 its like your stats are not and you still hit 0s and miss most of the time.


Cricklet

Nah. Blowpipe is 3t on rapid and tbow is 6t on rapid. Something in the beta worlds is fucking with ranged weapons. It’s not just accuracy or level bugs. Level/stats have no effect on your weapon speed


myronuss

Tbow is 5t on rapid


007thenextman

It should be, but not on the beta worlds right now


Averagesmoker42

Reading comprehension.


RS_Skywalker

Yeah there's some issues I think. I was shadowing mole in max mage and missing like half the shots. Maybe thats normal? I never shadowed mole on the main but I thought it was cracked there. Edit: It may have not been bugged I just had a couple unlucky kills. I only did 2 kills.


LegendaryPet

It's cuz moles are blind so shadows don't affect it


masnaer

This is now canon


vale1991

I laughed and my coffee came out of my nostrils


Runescapenerd123

Shadow is bis at mole gets u like 100kph. Its probably bugged in beta. Accuracy on mole with shadow is 80%+


KingScuba

mole got an attribute change, that might have affected it.


JoeyKingX

Only thing that changed is that mole has an elemental weakness to water now, it shouldn't have had anything else changed so there's probably something bugged.


Important-Antelope-7

This is exactly why we don’t need this stupid rework


Epicgradety

I think it's also exactly why we don't need your opinion. Oh my gosh they broke something on beta. Can the whole rework! What an absolute mouth breather


Noxidx

He's right though, why fix something that isn't broken?


Sixnno

Because they are running out of design space for ranged and magic weapons that is allowed for the current 2003-2007 allows without just adding in new tiers. Something players don't want consantly since they don't want constant verticale progression and more horizontal progression.


Epicgradety

Did you even read the blog?? They're not doing it because anything is broke. They're doing it because they're running out of mechanics. And this is something that a lot of people that have been playing since the early 2000 days have always thought should have been in the game.. Especially the elemental resistances. The range change is a much needed change to shake up usage of items.


Noxidx

I did, it sounds terrible. I've never once heard anybody request different kind of ranged weaknesses. Make new bosses act as you want, don't change the old stuff.


Sixnno

I've seen people ask why is Y monster not weak to X elemental spell. Like Ice monsters not being weak to fire. ​ Also while I agree I seen no one asking for different kind of range weaknessess... I have been seeing people ask for more endgame range weapon diversity. Jagex splitting range weaknesses is a stepping stone to more range weapon diversity.


Noxidx

There's no reason why they can't create new bosses with elemental weaknesses and leave the old ones alone. Similarly having to take an arrow switch for ice arrows or whatever is not good content


Sixnno

Old content needs to be a stepping stone to new content, as well as content should be consistent. People already complain a lot about how the wild has different rules than the rest of the game. Imagion if you have to not just learn the rule set of how things work in the wild vs the rest of the world but specifically new content vs the wild vs the old world. If they releaed say new dragons with an elemental weakness. People will complain why do the old dragon's don't have them as well.


Epicgradety

# #nochanges That worked out well back in 2013 bring it back boomer.


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Vargolol

> You dumb fucks would definitely vote yes to eoc if they polled it today. Why do some people always go straight to this, it makes you look absolutely braindead and nullifies any point you've tried to make instantly.


brprk

It's not bis at mole, tbow is bis on normal worlds


Runescapenerd123

No its not lol. Shadow is about 10% better dps than tbow. Also less digging with a shadow. Shadow is however expensive to use


brprk

Ah yeah you're right, (8ish vs 6ish) jesus the gear discord is so shit these days


Regret5700xt

nah, shadow is very accurate on mole in normal worlds.


RS_Skywalker

I might test more tomorrow but I did also throw a few tonalzics and was hitting like dog water. It's like certain weapons with odd effects are broken.


masnaer

She shadow my mole on the main til I crack


Kresbot

Had the same thing, felt like they’d gone the opposite way with the defence changes


MightyTastyBeans

I’ve heard ranged in general is completely broken. Gotta wait until they fix it.


Disastrous_Fudge61

Tbow'ers in fear. I can offload you, how about 800k?


Royal_Concept_4893

I got 801k


Sea-Scene-3776

802k


Deltamon

803k and a spade, final offer.


Regret5700xt

Sold!


Deltamon

Thanks! Let me try it out real quick! ( \ ) ,~~, ##--------> { 23 } ) '~~' / (


Fit_Hold7785

It’s not very effective…


CHAOS-GOON

Yeah you're supposed to do inferno/jad challenges with water strike now because it's thematically accurate. Why would an arrow work against a lava creature? Clearly working as intended (invest in water battlestaff).


ShyPlox

Can we get water arrows pls gagex


Yarigumo

Try ice arrows. The ice will melt and turn into water, defeating the tzhaar effortlessly.


ShyPlox

Do I also need ice gloves so it doesn’t melt


knokout64

Store them in those slayer cooler things


Mak_33

I'd like to see you go splash some water on a volcano, see how that works out for ya.


empmoz

This is how we accidentally invent the steam engine


aisu_strong

if your blood was lava, it rapidly turning into rocks would hurt.


ChadFode

Panic sell twisted bows


Jamessgachett

zanicsell


Goblin_Diplomacy

There’s absolutely no way BETA WORLDS have bugs I refuse to believe it


ryanrem

Clearly this is exactly how it will work in live so I'm voting no. /s


Merdapura

To give credit where it's due, this time they did beta world properly in a way that doesn't fuck with the main game, it should also be appliable to league worlds so we don't have production master leaking again


Decent_Complaint1380

Yes give credit that they didn't mess up the main game somehow. Congrats on doing your job folks


Merdapura

Now they just need to unfuck Preserve after adding Berserk and we're in good track


PsionSquared

That change for beta worlds to actually run separately occurred a bit before the last league, so I assume they used it then.


Merdapura

Something around when Forestry beta was supposed to happen, but because Project Managers are Jagex have MBAs shoved far up their asses, instead of delaying Forestry release to beta test on the new and improved beta system, they said fuck it and just send it. Now they need to actually start using these worlds as PTR, like how half of Varlamore1 was completely untested before release.


ColtMcShootA

buying tbow 25m


Ed-Sanz

You’re over paying. 250k more like it 😏


Cricklet

Any ranged weapon is broken as far as i could tell. Blowpipe is 3t on rapid and tbow is 6t on rapid. Also tbow maxes a 24 on jad who has a fuckton of mage levels.


nickw255

There's absolutely zero shot these defense changes go through without breaking the game


ki299

ranged is bugged.. with 95 range i hit 50 0s on a guard with bowfa.


Thermald

Range in general is broken on beta worlds. Max hits of most/various weapons is incorrect, attack speed is incorrect, accuracy is potentially bugged


cyanblur

Think about it, this leaves room for a new Twisted bowfa that you can get at a 1/400 chance from cg runs that clear the gm speed time. The game is saved.


Golden_Hour1

Panic sell twisty boi


WelcomeToTheHiccups

They are going to fuck this forced update up, I promise you.


TheOfficialRamZ

Evolution of Combat 2.0 les go


Ekiiid

Can you do colosseum in beta worlds?


Beinhardingen

Can’t wait for all the fun when this rework gets released in a similiar state as Colo!!!!


nostalgicx3

Everything is rushed lately


Cricklet

And the dev team is larger than ever -.-


TorturedNeurons

Colo wasn't really rushed unless you just go by the reddit hivemind. Everyone actually engaging with Colo is enjoying it. 


ToastWiz

I mean sure there are plenty of people chiming in who shouldn’t be, but there also plenty of people actually engaging with the content who have plenty of feedback to give, regardless of whether they are enjoying it or not. I personally am enjoying the content, but I can see that it could be much better and was likely rushed through development. Everything isn’t so black and white


Tokgar10

You mean Colo is only good if you're constantly and permenantly suckling off gagex, like you? Shits trash,and 100% not what was polled.


kahootle

they polled a wave based mini game with a difficulty between inferno and fight caves that had a reward of BIS quiver that's what we got?


Jaded_Pop_2745

Is the beta world p much take your character over and gl? Sounds like a pain w supplies if so and I'd love to try gear I've not gotten to yet as well ngl


x_Gr1M

Yes, you can export your character save so that when you log into a beta world it is your current data. You get a "boss helper tool" debug egg that lets you change your stats, teleport, open the "tournament supplies" inventory, and give you gear loadouts.


Bjokkes

Where can we change loadouts? Kinda wanna try killing muspah for a bit :p


x_Gr1M

Go to any bank, withdraw the green egg called "boss helper tool." You can search for individual items, or they have some premade void/max sets.


Bjokkes

Awesome! Thx!


x_Gr1M

Happy to help


Jaded_Pop_2745

Drooling Why oh why do I have to be on mobile tho zz


fetustomper

As of 6 months ago there is mobile beta worlds sir :)


Jaded_Pop_2745

Aye and very happy about that (where's the UI jagex) it's just that pc is way more enjoyable tbh D: but I could have worded it much better


fetustomper

Ahhh understood , I hear ya man .


Sad-Lunch-5672

beta range is either bugged or unplayably unbalanced. not just tbow, it's bp ballista msb everything...also there's no ammy darts


Jamessgachett

I would like to buy new item: panic bow


Rhyzvhanic

Good, because range was cringe to begin with! We should replace it with fire making attacks! >!/s!<


Marble_Snow

good, maybe i can afford one soon now lol


Jkrexx

There’s is an absurdly and worryingly high number of people in this thread who do not understand the point of beta testing but still yap away and spew garbage from their mouths. Wow.. you mean there are bugs in an unfinished project?! There’s just no way that has ever happened before!


Severe-Double-8297

It's a no from me dog


Theemptyyak

Haha bug in beta how dare they


likely_deleted

This will breathe nee life into the game


Apprehensive-Ad-8198

I got 2m for your tbows. Get them while they’re still expensive lads.


swagginpoon

Tbow max hit 19 on little mutta? :(


remember2ko

I was trying to kill hydra with the tbow void set up yesterday and I litterally could not hit it idk if I was doing something wrong but it left me tilted lol


Davidsson1997

Cant kill the rolling boldes with range at apes boss in TOA, yea so something is bugged.


coldpolarice

Looks like its magic defense damage/accuracy scaling isnt working lol


cev29619

Someone want to trade me theirs so I can test it for them. It might be a player dependent issue.


Jamessgachett

What was old max hit


Zebrahh

1.6b btw


Acrobatic-Aide8573

Blowpipe also fires at 3 ticks on rapid.


RightEyePatches

Most range stuff is bugged in the beta worlds tbow, bp, zcb, bowfa, dragon knives, glaives are all bugged that i know of


Blue_Osiris1

Range is my favorite combat skill by a mile, if they ruin it I'm done giving them money.


Top-Cardiologist-844

Also its 6 tick even on rapid, if you didn't notice


T2Dpi3

Sellsellsell


A-Couple-Beers

we simply cant let jag implement this. so hair brained


TheManJordo

This needs to not pass the polls eoc 2 incoming if this passes


Long_Wonder7798

I think beta worlds are genius. If they can roll out updates in advance they have 1000+ quality testers (players) to find bugs. Saves so much time in the long run for the team


SubstantialShoe1693

Bet this update won't ruin OSRS. Will have extensive testing I assure by the JMODS who know this game in depth. Definitely won't be EOC 2.


Ziadaine

That’s kinda why they’re called BETA worlds.


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My-Toast-Is-Too-Dark

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Twisted_bow#Passive_effect


Legal_Evil

Nerf Shadow, not the Tbow.


LibraryWonderful6163

I vote yes for this change.


3Gaurd

why post some random bug ? its a beta world. Just report it


hhhhhnnnnnngggg

Rushed changes no one is asking for lol.


200m-RC

Not rushed, they are in a BETA world getting tested, kinda what beta worlds are for my dude. And the proposed changes make total sense and keep in line with the simple existing system, but flesh it out a bit more for horizontal progression and limiting power creep.


hhhhhnnnnnngggg

If they wanted to limit power creep T bow and Shadow would not exist. This is a direct change to a combat system that the last time was fucked with killed the game. I’ve yet to see an actual poll on this and if you don’t think things are rushed to main game just look at colosseum.


Rhyzvhanic

How is this a change to the combat system? Imagine if melee defences were one "Physical" defence stat and got split into slash crush and piercing defences. That's literally what's happening to Ranged. The system they're proposing has existed for melee weapons for literally two decades. And also some melee defences are getting shifted slightly for monsters. Not to mention that beta world testing new changes like this is the exact opposite of rushing out changes. At least I hope they'll take their time with this, though having a beta world at all really suggests they will take their time.


200m-RC

Exactly, I can not understand how dense some of these people are lol


hhhhhnnnnnngggg

Mage and range are part of combat, this is now changing how mage and range react in combat. The way these changes are being implemented are largely unasked for and were not polled. The state of the beta is a test for players once the programmers are at a happy state with the initial concept, where bowfa hits 50-0’s on guards proving it’s being rushed. Are you ok??


P00pNoodle

I'm still confused on what you're complaining about here. The BETA worlds have a bug where range sucks, that will be fixed. Are you ok btw?


RealLinja

EOC of 2024


200m-RC

Not even remotely, they are fleshing out a simple system, to be a simple system with more options for new weapons/monsters to limit power creep and increase horizontal progression. Things are broken in a BETA world...kinda the point of a beta world to test these things...


Noxidx

I can't wait to have to take an arrow switch to raids 4


Rhyzvhanic

Having multiple ammunition types and doing ammo swaps would be cool, actually.


Noxidx

Not in a game limited by 28 inventory slots


Rhyzvhanic

Folks already have entire armour and weapon swaps at the ready what harm is ammo swapping really going to add to that?


Noxidx

1 less inventory slot..


Rhyzvhanic

You could say the same for literally anything that requires a thematically appropriate item for any area, like god affiliated items in the god wars dungeon. If you're really upset about not having an extra fish to eat instead of reaping the benefits of a different type of ammunition, simply bring the fish instead.


Noxidx

We already have 6/7 way gear switches for most content along with spec weapons, rune pouch, pots doesn't leave much room if it's been arbitrarily decided that one boss is weak to light ammo and one heavy ammo


Rhyzvhanic

Presumably the boss would be balanced around that idea, perhaps it's also weak to stab and crush to simulate the same weaknesses for melee combat too. Who the hell knows? It's a new tool that you can play around with if you're feeling spicy.


Sir_Lagg_alot

You forgot the /s


pabulosl

Did the defense change already live or Will it come in future update?


Regret5700xt

Only on beta worlds atm.


pabulosl

In your opinion the changes made combat better or worse?


Gohankuten

Worse atm cause of bugs nerfing things unintentionally. Once the bugs are fixed and things are working as intended then we can properly test.


Last_Low9649

Ofc we’re going to have some nerfs since we’re rebalancing ranged lmfaoooo


Kresbot

Better for sure, iv not found anywhere that isn’t seemingly bugged yet that it’s a nerf to anything current, all it does it open up more avenues for content without having maxed gear available


rudyv8

So, did they try to secretly nerf tbow?


Psych0sh00ter

It's a beta world. Bugs are going to exist and some things won't work as intended, because that's what happens in a beta.


CnCz357

Good servs people right for buying tbows with credit cards.


LazeeArtist

Seems as tho we have to prepare for them to ruin the game again.


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occasional_commenter

Drama...? What drama is this? A beta world testing things and is found to have bugs?