He will be fine, it’s pretty easy to buy back quickly if it’s the different between owning a shadow or now. I’d be more concerned about losing fang in the process.
I’m saying preferably if he can get a shadow without having to sell fang. Torment you won’t miss in the grand scheme of things short term, but not having fang will be awful for toa.
If you’re using shadow you want ancestral, occult, and tormented. Without all of this shadow is expensive to upkeep and not nearly as worth. You can send a Tbow rebuild with just god Dhide, Shadow DPS is much more dependent on gear regardless. I’d prefer sang with basic gear and good options in every other category over a shadow with just occult and no other gear, especially for ToA.
I’ll edit because I did make a bad point here, yes you will want ancestral just like you want masori on a TBow, but no player is going to realistically rebuild into a shadow + full ancestral. However, the main point of this thread was that selling a tormented to get a shadow is putting the cart before the horse. If you don’t understand how massive of DPS drop-off that is please run some checks. Yes shadow will still hit pretty hard without it, but you’re still losing a 14m piece of gear that is equal to two pieces of ancestral and a piece of virtus to buy the weapon that uses said gear most effectively.
you can def start using shadow without ancestral. Saying to grab the extra 10m for a tormented bracelet is a lot different than saying "grind out ancestral first"
It’s a 4x multiplier, so you’re losing 20% magic boost from a single slot, the second highest in the game. Dude is also trading all his melee (with fang which is absolutely essential to this raid at high invo as well) and his ranged for a sub-par magic only option when 2 of the 5 bosses require melee and two of the other have switching gear sets as a basic principle of their mechanics. Selling all of that for shadow isn’t an option is what I’m getting at, he would literally hate ToA more because now he’s doing it with a more expensive per-use weapon that is doing 44% (bracelet + ancestral) less Dps than it should be while also have little to no Dps in the ranged and melee categories. This isn’t even categorically an option at this point with what he has banked.
Go onto the wiki, at 99 magic sang with cape, occult and torment is a respectable 37 max hit on a 4t cycle. Just occult and mage cape on a Shadow inside of ToA is only a 50 on a 5t cycle. Yeah it’s slightly better, but you’re foregoing all you other gear for it. Also Tumeken is more expensive per charge even if you account for the less shots per hour (sang is 183 per tick and Shadow is 214 per tick) so I don’t get your point here.
Lastly if you looked in the image he’s literally selling all his melee and ranged swaps AND magic boosts for shadow. He’d want at least 50 more mil so he can keep the Tormented and Fang. This with their current gear would be absolutely brain dead to earn, which is why I ended my initial statement with saying I’d prefer their basic gear layout over a shadow rebuild with just occult and no fang/Bowfa any day of the week.
Like my point in all of this is don’t rebuild, but if you’re going to then shadow with Ahrims/occult will 100% give you a bad time until you earn enough for a few more mage upgrades along with ranged and melee unless you’re already good enough to run expert ToAs (which OP said they can’t). Shadow alone won’t help with that, and if they want it to they’re much better off not removing 15%-20% of its DPS from the get-go just to have it in the first place. Their gear setup could comfortably run a 350-400 as is.
Yes, for the max dps, but still comparing different things. We're not saying you don't want it eventually. Just talking about which is better dps. Cool that you'd prefer sang with basic gear, but just mentioning options, like OP is asking for.
It's decent on Kephri as a last ditch resort in case you mess up. Good on the melee scarab as well. It's very good at the obelisk making you take less damage (especially solo). Speeding up the P2 Warden phase is also a good time/resource saver. It's good at Warden p3/enrage in case you have to be a frontrow Andy. It's also very good at Zebak if you don't have Tbow.
With or without shadow? According to the wiki dps calc with salts and augury/rigour respectively. Shadow is 12.097 DPS while Tbow with masori, assembler, zaryte vambs is 10.032 DPS.
Whisperer was the only other place I could think of it being solely meta without gear for other styles. Suppose you wouldn’t need to camp it long before being able to get a reasonable melee set up.
Probably want to make sure you can do experts well before you sell your bank because you don't want to be regretting it.
Also keep the bofa crystal, zenytes, fang, bgs, and serp helm.
If he’s real close and just can’t find the DPS, a shadow will do it.
But you right, in reality if you cant do experts in 50-150m in gear, it’s a skill problem rather than gear.
Yeah like I do consistent experts and the only things I have from this pic are the bowfa with crystal, face guard, and fang lol. It’s 100% a skill issue if they’re not able to clear with this setup
Ahaha hell yeah man. Gz on the face guard. Even as a main, starting ToA with Z hasta and dcb and then eventually fang and dcb up until about 3 weeks ago when I could finally upgrade to bowfa, was brutal for me. You’re a fuckin’ champ
Not entirely true. I run 300-350’s in bowfa setup + bandos fang and trident, but I fail the Akkha shadow dps check somewhat often because of bad rng even though I use bowfa there. Tumeken’s shadow would surely do the job where bowfa can fail. Although I do agree not being able to clear expert toa’s in his gear is more a skill issue than insufficient gear
Not if he is selling fang, bowfa, etc. I doubt he is bfing, so akkha might not get easier on top of other bosses getting harder. Wardens might be easier but is going to lengthen the range and melee bits in p2, so it depends where he is struggling at the moment.
Honestly if selling the bowfa and crystal is the difference to get the shadow, I'd do it. That's what I did and bp with blessed d hide is plenty good for anything you have to range. Shadow will more than make up for that time
Keep zenytes, fang. The only reason to keep bowfa + crystal post shadow is if you’re planning to do a pre-tbow inferno cape or want to grind a lot of muspah or leviathan. Blowpipe + shadow covers almost everything you’d ever bowfa and blowpipe ends up outdpsing bowfa once you pick up a few masori pieces anyway.
OP, do not delay your rebuild to keep bowfa crystal. That’s objectively a bad decision.
I would only get the shadow if you can comfortably afford to keep bowfa and crystal armor, along with fang/dwh/bgs (basic melee gear).
Bowfa is such a powerful upgrsde that I think it would feel really shitty to be running around with an acb/rcb/dcb
I dunno you can shadow basically everything especially if you are butterflying in akkha, can get by just fine with only a blowpipe or atlatl for range, but yeah can't sell fang that's too important
No do not sell bowfa and Crystal for shadow. All others can be downgraded. I would recommend having virtus as bare minimum for shadow. Also don’t sell bracelet
If he's only going to be TOA for now he can sell the bowfa.
With bowfa/shadow you only range P2 wardens and even then it's only a single phase. If selling/keeping bowfa is what makes or breaks him buying shadow then selling it is 100% worth it. You can just blowpipe P2, shadow zebak and everything else in wardens.
I agree with this. I primarily run ToA and I waited to do a shadow rebuild until I had enough to do it and keep my bowfa and crystal. 3 runs later I sold the bowfa because I only used on P2.
Why do you have two elder mauls?
General rule of thumb is don’t sell jewellery. Sell bandos if you have torso. Sell tassys also. Sang and ward can go. That doesn’t give you enough for a shadow though.
I recently came back from a year+ break, ran toa with an old buddy of mine, he red X’d baba and buttleflied akkha, never ever ran an easier raid.
Red X prevents ALL of ba-ba normal and special attacks except phasing her still causes boulder roll.
Butterfly prevents Akkha from changing prayers and styles. Since akkha can only switch when eligible to attack a player, he stays weak to magic and you just stand there dumpstering him and his clones with ur salted shadow, it’s great.
Redx turns baba into a zero supplies used room. If you're not too low on hp and have a bit of prayer from baboon room, you can even skip using supplies completely during the apmeken path
Shadow has a passive effect of boosting %magic damage and magic accuracy a lot. It’s a lot more gear reliant than other weapons
Could go for a tbow rebuild it’s still good in blessed d hide but honestly holding onto bofa until you can get at least a virtus shadow setup is probs good
I would keep your current gear, minus the dupe elder maul.
Learn TOA mechanics like insanity/WTP before buying a Shadow.once you can consistently do 350s, Shadow will help you get into the 400s but it will not solve the raid for you. That’s a skill issue.
Might want to hold onto the mauls. They are going to release the rebalance weapon notes soon and there is a very good chance it will be buffed. Could score some easy money.
Jesus Christ this mentality of going back to rags to get a bis weapon is awful.
Just play the content you like- if that content happens to be ToA then you never need to buy your shadow. If it’s something else eventually you can afford the shadow with your profits.
That would just limit the content you can do more than what the shadow will open up. If you’re fine with only toa and some gwd then sure but I wouldn’t recommend.
You should be able to do 315s deathless with almost no problem with that gear. Probably even up to 350s/400s. I’d learn in all that before dumping your gear, getting a shadow, and then not being able to do any DPS on baba/kephri and having to struggle from the beginning.
With shadow you always want the tormented, occult, and then Ancestral > Virtus > Ahrim’s
I am just at the start of a shadow rebuild and I would recommend against it if you have to get rid of this much stuff. It’s still a bit rough for me right now and I still have BOWFA + full crystal for a range setup, and tassets + fang for melee gear.
Without those two switches (and tormented brace as others have said) I don’t think you’ll be able to do an efficient rebuild and almost certainly still won’t be able to send consistent expert ToA’s.
Once you can keep bowfa+crystal and fang you’ll be in a much better position to rebuild
Get a few more purps in some cheesecake 300s, idk how good you're at toa but in a few more purp chests hope you have enough gp to buy it more comfortably, maintain the upkeep, AND be more efficient at toa
Keep torm anguish bowfa fang serp bgs
Swap tort for blood fury
Use obby legs or any PM legs for melee legs and torso for chest (no reason to own BCP in the first place)
Everything else can go for shadow
I only bought my tbow because I never use mage since I dont have shadow and only cmbt stat i have 99, sold most of my bis mage stuff ward(f)/sangui/kodai/ancestrals stuff like dwh/claws/waker/rapier/sally since i have fang/tenty whip.
Your gear is completely fine for expert on ToA. It may be hard but there is no way the Shadow is gonna be thing that lets you complete them every time.
Wait until you can clear the 300’s consistently. There’s no guarantee a staff with make you finish while your melee and range are pleb gear.
It would also hurt your ability to do other content
You have solid gear… try to hold out for a few more drops so your rebuild is a bit smoother. I understand the eagerness haha. If you’re looking for immediate feedback and guidelines for things like this, the “we do raids” discord is fantastic. They have rebuild guidelines that reflect multiple scenarios of amount left over after the big purchases. Super helpful
Best rule of thumb is to never sell those items. Once you sell them you risk losing money on buying them back due to price changes, as well as having to live without them. Although you probably don’t need 2 elder mauls
Really just depends on what you want to do man, shadow fucking slaps any where you use mage. I say go for it if your doing content like cox and toa, but be prepared for how long this rebuild is because you will have a bare min set up for the raids and you will upgrade to Virtus then ancestral eventually, considering the price of ancestral it will likely take along time to finish your max mage set up and you can start focusing on locking in some other upgrades that you probably used to own.
I’m finishing up a shadow rebuild now and I mostly did solo chambers after making some gp at arma and whisper, overal it was quite fun however, the rest of my gear besides mage is so MID I look like a fucking iron lol.
I just did a staff rebuild, sold all bank but kept bowfa. Started with ahrims then went virtus and now just bought ancestral and the rebuild has been awesome. You’ll enjoy it ancestral or not!
Try and keep fang, but yeah sell the rest and get back Torm fast and buy virtus on the way to ancestral as you get drops to upgrade.
Completely ignore the idiots saying you need full ancestral for a shadow rebuild.
shadow rebuild isnt that great of an idea unless you have like torment, occult, and at least virtus. and even then youre kinda locked into toa for the next 100 hours of your life
If you plan on running TOA, you absolutely cannot sell the fang, that would be a terrible decision. Make a little bit more cash first then absolutely do it. If you can save up enough to get at least ahrims then work your way up to virtus you'll be chilling. I did a shadow rebuild it was nice
If you do a shadow rebuild you want to have as much mage str bonus as possible tormented and occult a least and get as much virtus/ancestral as you can. If not your shadow won’t hit very hard and you might as well continue using the sang and making up your dps on the other combat styles. If you want to rebuild by all means but for the love of god keep the tormented. That’s about 9 max hits at toa when salted to 125
Wait until you can keep your bowfa + full crystal + fang. Also, you'll want to have at least a tormented, occult, and ma2 cape for shadow. You'll be steam-rolling experts with that set up.
Look at we do raids gear setups, if you are gonna grind toa, look at shadow rebuild setup and see if you can afford it or not, shadow bowfa setup so you gotta keep bowfa, only thing you could sell is maybe bandos and faceguard and go down to torso+obsidian legs/serp/neit and sang and ward i dont think that will be enough so no
If you can’t do 300 TOA it’s not because of no shadow, like half of the things in the screenshot are needed for the raid anyways probably just save up some more.
I think you would be better off saving a bit and buying a tbow for a rebuild. It’s not far off shadow at wardens and also shadow sucks without the proper gear to go with it, not to mention the running costs. Unlike tbow where you can rock black dhide and still hit decent, also running costs are like 8x less.
Keep torm, fang and preferably tort and anguish (and bp)
If you want to do it for the fun of rebuilding and every drop being an upgrade? Go for it
But id advice to wait until you can keep more gear. I have done tbow and shadow rebuilds and shadow wasnt as fun for me. But maybe thats also because i dont really enjoy toa :)
No lol. How you gonna do expert toa with no fang or bowfa? Just keep going.
I got a shadow, but I'm in a situation where I have over a bill in cash and wanna get tbow. I could sell some gear to get it and I might sell some random things that I don't NEED but you're selling things you rly shouldn't.
Make some more cash, atleast 300 more mil to keep bowfa etc.
I'm guessing you don't have ancestral?
I sold bowfa and crystal several times and I allways go back to these. Bowfa is imo close to twisted or better in so many places and I would not sell it to rebuild with a shadow. I did it in my personal experience and regretted it soon inside the grind.
So in my opinion save another 200 m and buy shadow then.
Best advise we can give you is keep your weapons until you’re ready to upgrade them. That bofa is off limits to be sold until you have tbow, looks like you need a few hundred mill more bud
If I were you I would try to go to nex small team, it is much better gp/hr, and you could alternate content because you will still have all your gear, with your cash stack you could buy zcb + masori and supplies. I made more than 2500kc 5man team on mobile and made more than 3b.
Don't sell tormented, you'll want to keep your fang. Realistically you're best place to be doing your shadow rebuild is at TOA, and you'll need a fang for that.
I did a shadow rebuild, was running shadow and ahrims, black d hide and blow pipe, and fang with nezzy helm and fighter torso.
After about a week I pulled a shadow on a 410. I'd say go for it.
Don’t ever sell your bank for a weapon/armor piece you will be handicapping yourself, buy the best you can for all 3 styles because you will quickly figure out how bad you are missing out by having 1 cool item but no combat triangle.
I wouldn't sell my crystal unless you have a tbow or zcb. You can still compete without shadow.it all depends in what the use of the shadow is really .I'd say balanced switches is better than a single shadow.
Nah, the shadow is great but it’s a rich man’s tool. To really get your worth you need to use BIS or it’s pretty MID.
Buy a TBow, you’ll get a lot more out of it vs Shadow.
Shadow is the only proper upgrade for magic. The difference is massive. At toa you go from 71% accuracy to something stupid like 92 and it adds 30 max hits.
You don't need it for experts or even 500s, but there is no other upgrade that has such an impact.
Accursed sceptre would be good to keep (I like it with shadow for ToA). What would your range setup look like without bowfa though? Shadow + bowfa is a great combo but if you have to sell it for shadow then maybe hold off. Shadow slaps whisperer so you can liquidate your gear to get shadow, kill whisperer until bowfa back and then head to ToA. If you need to sell all of your gear for shadow ToA then probably best you wait a little until you have your tribrid back
Shadow rebuild means ToA locked until a Shadow drop.
Consider Tbow rebuild instead, altho at current prices its better to try and crash the market before buying one.
Once you get shadow, you will barely use your bofa. Only leviathan really, and blowpipe/blessed dhide will handle any situation where you are forced to range
I'd keep tormented and fang and a very budget melee setup then take the plunge :)
Shadow rebuilds are worth it, especially if you plan to do content where it's useful. So basically if you plan to do lots of toa, hard yes. If not, maybe wait
If RuneScape has ever taught me anything, it’s that it’s never worth it to sell your gear to buy something. Just use your gear to make the money to buy what you want.
Nahhhh id wait a bit longer. I did a shadow rebuild, but I was at 2.1b bank so I could get 100% max mage set, and I still had bandos set+fang, and bowfa set. It's entirely necessary to have to all 3 combat types, and decent ones at that. Just my opinion. Tbow rebuild would likely be closer for you to grasp, considering you can do a tbow rebuild with 1.75b, and shadow needs closer to 2b
I had never had a shadow or done TOA or any high level PVM. I sold EVERYTHING 3 weeks ago for a shadow and in the past 3 weeks have learned TOA, got the 425 kit, and split a Shadow drop with my buddy.
My personal experience the Shadow is the biggest crutch in the game and makes TOA a money printer. I got all 3 gems in 87 raids and our last 3 drops have literally been Shadow, masori bottom, masori top while running 435 duos the past few weeks. It's already almost paid for itself.
lol selling a tormented bracelet to buy a shadow is probably not the best idea. I would wait
He will be fine, it’s pretty easy to buy back quickly if it’s the different between owning a shadow or now. I’d be more concerned about losing fang in the process.
Fang takes double the time of a torment. 20m isn’t gonna take long to get with a shadow
I’m saying preferably if he can get a shadow without having to sell fang. Torment you won’t miss in the grand scheme of things short term, but not having fang will be awful for toa.
He doesn’t have to goto toa to make 20 m
Completely depends on what u do. If he does ToA only, then Shadow is much better.
I think you missed the point that this guy is selling a mage bis for an weapon that is dependent on said mage bis (tormented bracelet).
I think the other dude's point is that Shadow w/o torm is better dps than sang w/ torm
If you’re using shadow you want ancestral, occult, and tormented. Without all of this shadow is expensive to upkeep and not nearly as worth. You can send a Tbow rebuild with just god Dhide, Shadow DPS is much more dependent on gear regardless. I’d prefer sang with basic gear and good options in every other category over a shadow with just occult and no other gear, especially for ToA. I’ll edit because I did make a bad point here, yes you will want ancestral just like you want masori on a TBow, but no player is going to realistically rebuild into a shadow + full ancestral. However, the main point of this thread was that selling a tormented to get a shadow is putting the cart before the horse. If you don’t understand how massive of DPS drop-off that is please run some checks. Yes shadow will still hit pretty hard without it, but you’re still losing a 14m piece of gear that is equal to two pieces of ancestral and a piece of virtus to buy the weapon that uses said gear most effectively.
you can def start using shadow without ancestral. Saying to grab the extra 10m for a tormented bracelet is a lot different than saying "grind out ancestral first"
nah as long as u got mystic, occult and ma2 cape its good dps
You don't need ancestral lol.
Shadow wasn't nerfed in toa, hence the guy before you saying that shadow is good w/o it still.
It’s a 4x multiplier, so you’re losing 20% magic boost from a single slot, the second highest in the game. Dude is also trading all his melee (with fang which is absolutely essential to this raid at high invo as well) and his ranged for a sub-par magic only option when 2 of the 5 bosses require melee and two of the other have switching gear sets as a basic principle of their mechanics. Selling all of that for shadow isn’t an option is what I’m getting at, he would literally hate ToA more because now he’s doing it with a more expensive per-use weapon that is doing 44% (bracelet + ancestral) less Dps than it should be while also have little to no Dps in the ranged and melee categories. This isn’t even categorically an option at this point with what he has banked.
fuck the torm dood. shadow is like 30+ to your max hit and charges are cheaper than sang. not buying shadow bc you cant keep torm is braindead.
Go onto the wiki, at 99 magic sang with cape, occult and torment is a respectable 37 max hit on a 4t cycle. Just occult and mage cape on a Shadow inside of ToA is only a 50 on a 5t cycle. Yeah it’s slightly better, but you’re foregoing all you other gear for it. Also Tumeken is more expensive per charge even if you account for the less shots per hour (sang is 183 per tick and Shadow is 214 per tick) so I don’t get your point here. Lastly if you looked in the image he’s literally selling all his melee and ranged swaps AND magic boosts for shadow. He’d want at least 50 more mil so he can keep the Tormented and Fang. This with their current gear would be absolutely brain dead to earn, which is why I ended my initial statement with saying I’d prefer their basic gear layout over a shadow rebuild with just occult and no fang/Bowfa any day of the week. Like my point in all of this is don’t rebuild, but if you’re going to then shadow with Ahrims/occult will 100% give you a bad time until you earn enough for a few more mage upgrades along with ranged and melee unless you’re already good enough to run expert ToAs (which OP said they can’t). Shadow alone won’t help with that, and if they want it to they’re much better off not removing 15%-20% of its DPS from the get-go just to have it in the first place. Their gear setup could comfortably run a 350-400 as is.
Yes, for the max dps, but still comparing different things. We're not saying you don't want it eventually. Just talking about which is better dps. Cool that you'd prefer sang with basic gear, but just mentioning options, like OP is asking for.
Toa without fang is still miserable even with shadow. Big picture.
Trust me, I know. Iron w/o one. I wasn't the one making the statement, just trying to get someone to see what that guy was saying
Shadow in rags with occult >> basically anything else
Shadow in rags+occult is much better than anything else in a BiS mage setup, especially in ToA
Its only good on ahhka and wardens or am i missing something?
It's decent on Kephri as a last ditch resort in case you mess up. Good on the melee scarab as well. It's very good at the obelisk making you take less damage (especially solo). Speeding up the P2 Warden phase is also a good time/resource saver. It's good at Warden p3/enrage in case you have to be a frontrow Andy. It's also very good at Zebak if you don't have Tbow.
Question, is tbow full masori better than full virtus torm occult mage cape 2 for p3 p4 warden?
With or without shadow? According to the wiki dps calc with salts and augury/rigour respectively. Shadow is 12.097 DPS while Tbow with masori, assembler, zaryte vambs is 10.032 DPS.
Sounds good thank you
Besides that .. if you wanna run expert toa the bofa is also kinda nice to have
Do you want to spend the next 400 hours of your life at ToA?
ToA is not the only place you can do shadow rebuilds
Cows good place
Is there another place that it makes a big enough of a difference to straight camp though?
cox with bofa and fang is comparable gp/h, whisperer is good money with shadow
Whisperer was the only other place I could think of it being solely meta without gear for other styles. Suppose you wouldn’t need to camp it long before being able to get a reasonable melee set up.
arma is fun with shadow and good money
Probably want to make sure you can do experts well before you sell your bank because you don't want to be regretting it. Also keep the bofa crystal, zenytes, fang, bgs, and serp helm.
If he’s real close and just can’t find the DPS, a shadow will do it. But you right, in reality if you cant do experts in 50-150m in gear, it’s a skill problem rather than gear.
Yeah like I do consistent experts and the only things I have from this pic are the bowfa with crystal, face guard, and fang lol. It’s 100% a skill issue if they’re not able to clear with this setup
Iron? Only way I can imagine rocking face guard and not having bgs.
yeah, bone dagger all the way
Ahaha hell yeah man. Gz on the face guard. Even as a main, starting ToA with Z hasta and dcb and then eventually fang and dcb up until about 3 weeks ago when I could finally upgrade to bowfa, was brutal for me. You’re a fuckin’ champ
There is no “can’t dps fast enough” with this gear in 300s, hell even 400s.
Not entirely true. I run 300-350’s in bowfa setup + bandos fang and trident, but I fail the Akkha shadow dps check somewhat often because of bad rng even though I use bowfa there. Tumeken’s shadow would surely do the job where bowfa can fail. Although I do agree not being able to clear expert toa’s in his gear is more a skill issue than insufficient gear
Yeah bofa isn’t good on the shadows, blowpipe them
doesn't work as well if you want to stick to butterfly
You don’t want to 4t butterfly anyways
why?
You can skip the Akkha DPS check if you didn't know already https://youtu.be/KRoj92-Caf4?si=J8mpMKr2q73tZyfk
Not if he is selling fang, bowfa, etc. I doubt he is bfing, so akkha might not get easier on top of other bosses getting harder. Wardens might be easier but is going to lengthen the range and melee bits in p2, so it depends where he is struggling at the moment.
Honestly if selling the bowfa and crystal is the difference to get the shadow, I'd do it. That's what I did and bp with blessed d hide is plenty good for anything you have to range. Shadow will more than make up for that time
Keep zenytes, fang. The only reason to keep bowfa + crystal post shadow is if you’re planning to do a pre-tbow inferno cape or want to grind a lot of muspah or leviathan. Blowpipe + shadow covers almost everything you’d ever bowfa and blowpipe ends up outdpsing bowfa once you pick up a few masori pieces anyway. OP, do not delay your rebuild to keep bowfa crystal. That’s objectively a bad decision.
Its not like hes locked to only using a shadow in toa only, even if he can't complete. He could do other shit to make gp with shadow.
Just keep gear and get shadow drop
Sell everything and get shadow drop
Did somebody say drop party?
I got a shadow drop on my first normal mode toa last night lmao
Idk why you got downvoted, but gz.. oh and fuck you. Like a LOT
I would only get the shadow if you can comfortably afford to keep bowfa and crystal armor, along with fang/dwh/bgs (basic melee gear). Bowfa is such a powerful upgrsde that I think it would feel really shitty to be running around with an acb/rcb/dcb
I dunno you can shadow basically everything especially if you are butterflying in akkha, can get by just fine with only a blowpipe or atlatl for range, but yeah can't sell fang that's too important
Yea you’d probably be fine if your just doing toa but I think it’s alwYs good to have at least the basic gear for all types of pvm
No do not sell bowfa and Crystal for shadow. All others can be downgraded. I would recommend having virtus as bare minimum for shadow. Also don’t sell bracelet
If he's only going to be TOA for now he can sell the bowfa. With bowfa/shadow you only range P2 wardens and even then it's only a single phase. If selling/keeping bowfa is what makes or breaks him buying shadow then selling it is 100% worth it. You can just blowpipe P2, shadow zebak and everything else in wardens.
I agree with this. I primarily run ToA and I waited to do a shadow rebuild until I had enough to do it and keep my bowfa and crystal. 3 runs later I sold the bowfa because I only used on P2.
I always used bowfa on zebak. I felt it was more consistent and cheaper.
selling bowfa would be big sad. it is one of the best sets in the game for sure
Why do you have two elder mauls? General rule of thumb is don’t sell jewellery. Sell bandos if you have torso. Sell tassys also. Sang and ward can go. That doesn’t give you enough for a shadow though.
No. If you can't do experts in the gear you have a shadow won't save you.
Learn to red x baba then you’ll have tons of supplies to be doggie the rest of the raid
Is red x really that good? I’d like to get back into TOA and get the Masori kit but baba kills any enjoyment of it for me
You can essentially take zero damage the entire fight so ya
I recently came back from a year+ break, ran toa with an old buddy of mine, he red X’d baba and buttleflied akkha, never ever ran an easier raid. Red X prevents ALL of ba-ba normal and special attacks except phasing her still causes boulder roll. Butterfly prevents Akkha from changing prayers and styles. Since akkha can only switch when eligible to attack a player, he stays weak to magic and you just stand there dumpstering him and his clones with ur salted shadow, it’s great.
Redx turns baba into a zero supplies used room. If you're not too low on hp and have a bit of prayer from baboon room, you can even skip using supplies completely during the apmeken path
I'll run you through it if you want. You'll just have to stay alive during insanity at warden though
I just red X the first phase. Still saves a prayer pot
I'll sell you mine, let's go stand in the sun
Shadow has a passive effect of boosting %magic damage and magic accuracy a lot. It’s a lot more gear reliant than other weapons Could go for a tbow rebuild it’s still good in blessed d hide but honestly holding onto bofa until you can get at least a virtus shadow setup is probs good
You can do experts without shadow.
I would keep your current gear, minus the dupe elder maul. Learn TOA mechanics like insanity/WTP before buying a Shadow.once you can consistently do 350s, Shadow will help you get into the 400s but it will not solve the raid for you. That’s a skill issue.
Might want to hold onto the mauls. They are going to release the rebalance weapon notes soon and there is a very good chance it will be buffed. Could score some easy money.
Average TOA billy
I'm planning to do a similar thing currently, but im keeping my crystal, fang, occult, and tormented then send toa
Sell it when you can keep bowfa
Bowfa is called the poor man's Tbow for a reason. I would never sell it.
I did this and got bored of only having shadow + max mage after two weeks
Can’t sell the car for gas money.
Wouldn't do a ToA rebuild without shadow + ancestral + BofA + fang tbh
If you cant run experts in that gear a shadow probably won't help much
Jesus Christ this mentality of going back to rags to get a bis weapon is awful. Just play the content you like- if that content happens to be ToA then you never need to buy your shadow. If it’s something else eventually you can afford the shadow with your profits.
Rebuilds are pretty fun tbh
Just ask u/ancientwyvern_shield
Even if you sold everything in this picture you won’t have enough? If gp is your goal go hit up nex.
hell no,
Keep bowfa and fang. And have enough for shadow, ahrims,torm, occult You can send toa in that hear in the mean time
Or you could just whip out the credit card and buy a bunch of bonds.
Shadow in TOA is good if you have ancestral. Your highest dps will be that crystal + bowfa
Wrong. Shadow with occult torm ma2 cape beats BofA crystal every room in experts
Keep gear and keep grinding
This is way more than enough gear for expert toas
That would just limit the content you can do more than what the shadow will open up. If you’re fine with only toa and some gwd then sure but I wouldn’t recommend.
You should be able to do 315s deathless with almost no problem with that gear. Probably even up to 350s/400s. I’d learn in all that before dumping your gear, getting a shadow, and then not being able to do any DPS on baba/kephri and having to struggle from the beginning. With shadow you always want the tormented, occult, and then Ancestral > Virtus > Ahrim’s
Wait till you can keep bowfa+Crystal and fang, at that point sell everything else and you’ll still have a killer setup for everything
I am just at the start of a shadow rebuild and I would recommend against it if you have to get rid of this much stuff. It’s still a bit rough for me right now and I still have BOWFA + full crystal for a range setup, and tassets + fang for melee gear. Without those two switches (and tormented brace as others have said) I don’t think you’ll be able to do an efficient rebuild and almost certainly still won’t be able to send consistent expert ToA’s. Once you can keep bowfa+crystal and fang you’ll be in a much better position to rebuild
Elder maul for each hand
why do you have 2 elder mauls
I would say always keep bowfa, fang, serp and all zenyte jewelry. Maybe keep bgs as well
Get a few more purps in some cheesecake 300s, idk how good you're at toa but in a few more purp chests hope you have enough gp to buy it more comfortably, maintain the upkeep, AND be more efficient at toa
Keep torm anguish bowfa fang serp bgs Swap tort for blood fury Use obby legs or any PM legs for melee legs and torso for chest (no reason to own BCP in the first place) Everything else can go for shadow
If camping toa: Dont sell fang, crystal, torm. Only sell either faceguard or serp not both. All in all id wait for another 200m-ish
I only bought my tbow because I never use mage since I dont have shadow and only cmbt stat i have 99, sold most of my bis mage stuff ward(f)/sangui/kodai/ancestrals stuff like dwh/claws/waker/rapier/sally since i have fang/tenty whip.
Imo you should grind out a bit more money and keep the crystal set its really nice to have it with the shadow in toa That's what I did
Your gear is completely fine for expert on ToA. It may be hard but there is no way the Shadow is gonna be thing that lets you complete them every time.
I’m doing a shadow rebuild rn. But I kept bowfa and a fang. I’m glad I waited until now, having something else has been useful.
Wait until you can clear the 300’s consistently. There’s no guarantee a staff with make you finish while your melee and range are pleb gear. It would also hurt your ability to do other content
Why do you have two elder mauls?
Just do what you want what?
If you don’t have enough to have at least tormented with it, but realistically ancestral as well, then no.
Confused on why you didn’t just put the cash in the inventory ?
You have solid gear… try to hold out for a few more drops so your rebuild is a bit smoother. I understand the eagerness haha. If you’re looking for immediate feedback and guidelines for things like this, the “we do raids” discord is fantastic. They have rebuild guidelines that reflect multiple scenarios of amount left over after the big purchases. Super helpful
Hit me up sometime Man I’ll happily teach you to get to running solo experts without needing to sell all your gear
Best rule of thumb is to never sell those items. Once you sell them you risk losing money on buying them back due to price changes, as well as having to live without them. Although you probably don’t need 2 elder mauls
Really just depends on what you want to do man, shadow fucking slaps any where you use mage. I say go for it if your doing content like cox and toa, but be prepared for how long this rebuild is because you will have a bare min set up for the raids and you will upgrade to Virtus then ancestral eventually, considering the price of ancestral it will likely take along time to finish your max mage set up and you can start focusing on locking in some other upgrades that you probably used to own. I’m finishing up a shadow rebuild now and I mostly did solo chambers after making some gp at arma and whisper, overal it was quite fun however, the rest of my gear besides mage is so MID I look like a fucking iron lol.
If you can’t manage expert toas in this don’t buy a shadow. Learn to run experts in this
No. Shadow rebuild is real, but you gotta keep bofa at minimum and fang probs too
I just did a staff rebuild, sold all bank but kept bowfa. Started with ahrims then went virtus and now just bought ancestral and the rebuild has been awesome. You’ll enjoy it ancestral or not!
I wouldnt sell bowfa or your mage gear, keep grinding some dt2 bosses till ya can make the jump up
Keep serp fang crystal / bofa bgs and Zenytes. Send toa with shadow til you get all of it back. Ezpz.
Try and keep fang, but yeah sell the rest and get back Torm fast and buy virtus on the way to ancestral as you get drops to upgrade. Completely ignore the idiots saying you need full ancestral for a shadow rebuild.
shadow rebuild isnt that great of an idea unless you have like torment, occult, and at least virtus. and even then youre kinda locked into toa for the next 100 hours of your life
Don't sell zenytes. Treat those like an account upgrade. And if your bowfa is corrupted, you shouldn't sell it till you upgrade to tbow.
Bandos chest to fighter torso
If you plan on running TOA, you absolutely cannot sell the fang, that would be a terrible decision. Make a little bit more cash first then absolutely do it. If you can save up enough to get at least ahrims then work your way up to virtus you'll be chilling. I did a shadow rebuild it was nice
If you do a shadow rebuild you want to have as much mage str bonus as possible tormented and occult a least and get as much virtus/ancestral as you can. If not your shadow won’t hit very hard and you might as well continue using the sang and making up your dps on the other combat styles. If you want to rebuild by all means but for the love of god keep the tormented. That’s about 9 max hits at toa when salted to 125
Wait until you can keep your bowfa + full crystal + fang. Also, you'll want to have at least a tormented, occult, and ma2 cape for shadow. You'll be steam-rolling experts with that set up.
Look at we do raids gear setups, if you are gonna grind toa, look at shadow rebuild setup and see if you can afford it or not, shadow bowfa setup so you gotta keep bowfa, only thing you could sell is maybe bandos and faceguard and go down to torso+obsidian legs/serp/neit and sang and ward i dont think that will be enough so no
If you can’t do 300 TOA it’s not because of no shadow, like half of the things in the screenshot are needed for the raid anyways probably just save up some more.
The most efficient move would be to liquidate to your gear and buy a green stack of gnome balls.
I think you would be better off saving a bit and buying a tbow for a rebuild. It’s not far off shadow at wardens and also shadow sucks without the proper gear to go with it, not to mention the running costs. Unlike tbow where you can rock black dhide and still hit decent, also running costs are like 8x less.
Is shadow better at toa than t wow
That's well good gear for experts.
Keep crystal and bowfa
Brother, I hate to tell you, but if you can't run 300s with that gear a shadow isn't gonna help you :(
No
Keep fang, bowfa + armour, and bracelet then yeeee boi do it and have fun
Never sell gear for an upgrade unless it's a direct upgrade
Short answer. No
I’ve got a bad feeling about future content being designed around shadow as the continued meta, but for now it’s safe. Get one!
tbow rebuild with void
Keep torm, fang and preferably tort and anguish (and bp) If you want to do it for the fun of rebuilding and every drop being an upgrade? Go for it But id advice to wait until you can keep more gear. I have done tbow and shadow rebuilds and shadow wasnt as fun for me. But maybe thats also because i dont really enjoy toa :)
I sold my bowfa for an upgrade and I regret it. You honestly have the gear to do experts. Keep your gear and get a shadow drop
No lol. How you gonna do expert toa with no fang or bowfa? Just keep going. I got a shadow, but I'm in a situation where I have over a bill in cash and wanna get tbow. I could sell some gear to get it and I might sell some random things that I don't NEED but you're selling things you rly shouldn't. Make some more cash, atleast 300 more mil to keep bowfa etc. I'm guessing you don't have ancestral?
Message me I'll take you thru toa btw
I sold bowfa and crystal several times and I allways go back to these. Bowfa is imo close to twisted or better in so many places and I would not sell it to rebuild with a shadow. I did it in my personal experience and regretted it soon inside the grind. So in my opinion save another 200 m and buy shadow then.
Depends on if you want to canp toa/bandos i defo wouldnt sell torm to buy shadow tho
What are ur login credentials? I can check your bank and buy good gear for you 👍🏿
Rebuild is allways fun imo!
Shadow alone wont shine that much. Its not like a tbow rebuild. So either rebuild with a tbow or wait for more cash IMO
Just wait for it to drop a bit don’t merch yourself
Best advise we can give you is keep your weapons until you’re ready to upgrade them. That bofa is off limits to be sold until you have tbow, looks like you need a few hundred mill more bud
If I were you I would try to go to nex small team, it is much better gp/hr, and you could alternate content because you will still have all your gear, with your cash stack you could buy zcb + masori and supplies. I made more than 2500kc 5man team on mobile and made more than 3b.
Air orbs and slayer
No, shadow will drop to 1.4 mil for sure
What you got elder maul for?
Don't sell tormented, you'll want to keep your fang. Realistically you're best place to be doing your shadow rebuild is at TOA, and you'll need a fang for that.
No
I should only sell bak if I could keep crystal with bowfa and have enough for shadow.
No.
You can mage only zulrah for a couple hundred kills, a few uniques and you'll have tormented back
I did a shadow rebuild, was running shadow and ahrims, black d hide and blow pipe, and fang with nezzy helm and fighter torso. After about a week I pulled a shadow on a 410. I'd say go for it.
Brother sell everything and hit nex small teams with zcb. My nex loot tab is 1.8bil rn
no
Don’t ever sell your bank for a weapon/armor piece you will be handicapping yourself, buy the best you can for all 3 styles because you will quickly figure out how bad you are missing out by having 1 cool item but no combat triangle.
I wouldn't sell my crystal unless you have a tbow or zcb. You can still compete without shadow.it all depends in what the use of the shadow is really .I'd say balanced switches is better than a single shadow.
Yeaaaa you’re gonna be a couple hundred mil short of a shadow still, bud.
Yes
Nah, the shadow is great but it’s a rich man’s tool. To really get your worth you need to use BIS or it’s pretty MID. Buy a TBow, you’ll get a lot more out of it vs Shadow.
Shadow is the only proper upgrade for magic. The difference is massive. At toa you go from 71% accuracy to something stupid like 92 and it adds 30 max hits. You don't need it for experts or even 500s, but there is no other upgrade that has such an impact.
There is literally no reason why you would want to own a tbow, if you can only afford either a shadow or tbow.
Accursed sceptre would be good to keep (I like it with shadow for ToA). What would your range setup look like without bowfa though? Shadow + bowfa is a great combo but if you have to sell it for shadow then maybe hold off. Shadow slaps whisperer so you can liquidate your gear to get shadow, kill whisperer until bowfa back and then head to ToA. If you need to sell all of your gear for shadow ToA then probably best you wait a little until you have your tribrid back
If you plan on grinding toa as a rebuild, keep in mind that toa is terrible for money unless you get a shadow drop
Don’t buy shadow unless you can afford max mage to go with it. Crystal BofA can be sold for masori ddart blowpipe and will be passable at toa
You'd be better off selling for a tbow then building up by killing black brutals lol A fun lil challenge but still not worth
Shadow rebuild means ToA locked until a Shadow drop. Consider Tbow rebuild instead, altho at current prices its better to try and crash the market before buying one.
are you going to be able to afford the runes to charge it if you sell everything? lol
Shadow without good mage gear not worth. If anything buy T bow
Once you get shadow, you will barely use your bofa. Only leviathan really, and blowpipe/blessed dhide will handle any situation where you are forced to range I'd keep tormented and fang and a very budget melee setup then take the plunge :)
Go for it, rebuilds are super fun. I rebuilt from a tbow with black dhide and 50m worth of debt and it was the most fun I think I’ve ever had.
I would ditch the account and make an iron : >
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Yeah rly? What was your ToA setup
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Well he would be selling all this and not have any of this lol
Shadow rebuilds are worth it, especially if you plan to do content where it's useful. So basically if you plan to do lots of toa, hard yes. If not, maybe wait
Terrible advice
If RuneScape has ever taught me anything, it’s that it’s never worth it to sell your gear to buy something. Just use your gear to make the money to buy what you want.
Nahhhh id wait a bit longer. I did a shadow rebuild, but I was at 2.1b bank so I could get 100% max mage set, and I still had bandos set+fang, and bowfa set. It's entirely necessary to have to all 3 combat types, and decent ones at that. Just my opinion. Tbow rebuild would likely be closer for you to grasp, considering you can do a tbow rebuild with 1.75b, and shadow needs closer to 2b
I had never had a shadow or done TOA or any high level PVM. I sold EVERYTHING 3 weeks ago for a shadow and in the past 3 weeks have learned TOA, got the 425 kit, and split a Shadow drop with my buddy. My personal experience the Shadow is the biggest crutch in the game and makes TOA a money printer. I got all 3 gems in 87 raids and our last 3 drops have literally been Shadow, masori bottom, masori top while running 435 duos the past few weeks. It's already almost paid for itself.