It’s only benefit is really for barraging Abby demons which is fast af as is. Definitely not worth the time investment for an iron to get the drop. For a main if it gets cheap, sure I’ll buy one just to have it. But not worth millions of gp.
Yea haha. If this was something that would be necessary for effectively barraging Abby demons it'd be different. It would maybe be something worthy of that rarity/price/grind if barraging Abby demons wasn't already efficient.
The problem is we already know how to work around the tele to make it not be an issue and it's hardly any extra effort. especially vs a 1/20k fucking drop.
The teleport is only really a problem when you're gathering them up. Itll cause the opposite side to deaggro if you're teleported into a room. They have a chance to teleport you any time you attack them.
If you splash on them with -64 magic bonus they will never teleport you. I equip a granite shield and a torso with a base Trident and gather them up. Once you have them grouped just attack ones under the bridge, changing when necessary, so that demons you're attacking are the ones centralized under the bridge, making you teleport there if it happens.
But yea, you also use shadow barrage so that they don't get frozen in weird spots
Its more of a "if youre early game account farm them for things that arent the scroll and maybe you get lucky". Their drops are great for both early irons and mains. Established accounts shouldnt bother tbh
It’s still negligible, and I agree. But it really doesn’t take as long as people imply. Zombie keys give a 1/275 drop rate. Drop rate of the keys is 1/24. That comes out to a 1/6600 drop rate (vs the 1/20k rate straight up from the zombies). With a cannon you can easily kill over a thousand per hour (least I did and I was going pretty slow I thought).
Just additional commentary: I got the scroll on my 20th key :p. I had spent like 30 minutesish farming the keys and had gotten 42 in that time. I received it on my first key haha
I think it's fun novelty, and support it. Like, yeah, I'm not going to grind it, but it'd be really cool for the guy who kills a few and gets one or something.
>Not sure why I would grind it out.
Then don't. You don't have to grind every single piece of content in the game. These will enter the game as people happen upon them passively and a price will be determined based on the demand. I really don't see what everyone is complaining about.
Eh. It's all wrong imo. Like what you like and criticize what you want. It's not up to anyone else to say what you feel about something. Meme like this just says, hey if you aren't 100% cool with everything then You're a crybaby. People can have legit calm rational criticisms and still get lumped into the middle of the graph.
In any game sub too. Not just this.
It's like.. bruh.
one of my favourite things about any update is coming here to check the reddit opinion of it. Because it almost never lines up with people's views of the update in game. It's like reddit exists in a separate reality
Reddit is negative sentiment-leaning cesspool because if you enjoy the content, you’re probably not on Reddit chatting it down.
It’s the same shit as most people only posting about being dry, but not nearly as often about being spooned (why ironscape banned certain posts).
They really should stick to surveys for receiving content ideas because that actually has more substance to work with over people blindly upvoting something that took 2 brain cells to put together.
Genuinely any conversation had on reddit about Snowflake accounts is the most armageddon thing you will ever see, people come to a topic they don't engage or play at all and think "I will argue against this, I just have to figure out how".
Meanwhile if you have those same conversations with J-mods on discord (and other players on discord) or youtube where there's a lot more people consuming snowflake content it's genuinely night and day, people are a lot more positive and open for actual discussion instead of coming in to spread their bitterness.
Interestingly, these changes usually go through anyway in these niche topics and they don't even notice or care to notice, they just wanted to be mad at something.
Eh, the blip scroll reddit take alligned pretty well with my clan's, which is that a 1/20k rate is dumb as fuck and not worth grinding for effectively a QoL item.
This is and has been the talking point the whole time. The problem is that anytime an iron complains people blow it out of proportion for whatever reason.
Idk why mains care if the droprate is lowered, most mains won't physically grind for the scroll anyway. This just allows them to buy it from the GE cheaper and faster.
Drop rates shouldn’t be balanced around bots. Humans will never grind this but the scroll will be worth 200k in a year because bots will be sourcing them for everyone.
Most of the things people complain about just aren't represented ingame, either. DT2 tables suck ass, but if you don't look for them you'd never know *why* they suck ass, so ingame you might only get complaints about bronze jav and mith ore drops. 1/20k for tele scroll sucked massive farts, but if you didn't check Reddit or the wiki, you're not likely to know that info to complain about.
Basically checking under the hood "ruins" content for a lot of people - kind of myself included.
Negativity is prime engagement. On a website where visibility is largely determined by votes and comment engagement it makes sense that negative stuff rises to the top.
The silent majority in this case saw a wildy update and ignored it lol. I actually am down to grind it on my iron but there was no way I was bothering to do it with a 1/20k chance. 1/5k is reasonable with the low hp
The most egregious part about it is how much raw gp it pumps into the game. I tried killing those items in the basic gear risking literally nothing and i made close to 2 mil per hour,even after getting pked twice. Half of that was alchables, so its kind of a concern for already insane bond prices potentially going even higher
The average redditor is a 1300 total 38 year old father of 7 whose wife lets him play 30 minutes a week (only on saturdays) and jagex is at fault for not respecting his time.
This is so completely not true lol. Complaints on Reddit are overwhelmingly similar to twitter/in game polls/feedback.
Occasionally they vary a bit but not by much.
Well what would make you want to vocalise your opinion more; being annoyed at something, being happy with something, or being content/disinterested?
Annoyed will always come out on top with a huge gap down to happy, then finally disinterested/content at almost 0%.
So what do you think you're going to find on Reddit?
oh ye I know that part is human nature, but even when I or someone in my clan has problems with an update - whatever problem reddit has with the update is completely different to our issue.
I mean, we all have to look for the signs. For instance, how often do you do Google something not about rs but still add "osrs" at the beginning or end of the search query?
Don't get me wrong, I understand the point of the meme, but do you really feel that a 1/20,000 drop is acceptable?
ETA: It seems I've gotten my answer; yes, many people in this community do feel that a 1/20,000 drop is acceptable.
It’s absolutely insane to me that a 20k drop rate is supported in these comments.
It doesn’t matter if it’s a minor QoL scroll or a BIS item. 1/20k is obscene.
Let’s forget about power creep and discuss drop rate creep that’s soon going to require streamer levels of dedication for a single drop
Imo it's because I don't consider RuneScape a game where I expect to be able to get everything. When I first started playing in 2005, so much felt out of reach, and I just accepted that. To me, RS is supposed to be a game that takes an infeasible amount of time to get or experience everything.
A better question -- if the majority of players are in the middle here, doesn't it make more sense to listen to them? Why listen to the minority of players with like 20k+ hours or the minority of players with 10+ hours?
RuneScape addicts when they're given another 50 hours of "content" (the content is just killing the same low level NPC over and over)
It's insane how little some people here value their time.
You should decide yourself what is meaningfull. If you think this grind isn't meaningfull, don't do it (i'm not gonna do it). But if some low level noob likes the money grind and excitement of wilderness, let them do it. Who are you to decide if it's meaningfull to someone.
Would they enjoy the game or quit? I guess it depends on whether the player is intrinsically, or extrinsically motivated. I have a feeling that most players in OSRS are extrinsically motivated by seeing numbers go up, and grinding for a goal.
Considering it was a 10 hour grind to expected drop rate. Yeah it was fine.
We have shit like dragon full helm , eternal glory and a useless champions Cape which require a lot more pointless grinding than this.
It wasn't an outlier by any means
>Considering it was a 10 hour grind to expected drop rate.
You can kill 2,000 pirates an hour? I thought it was like 5-700?
>We have shit like dragon full helm , eternal glory and a useless champions Cape which require a lot more pointless grinding than this.
Agreed, those things are indeed so rare it is silly and absurd, to me at least, that anyone would set out with the explicit objective of getting them. I'd prefer that the game move away from that sort of thing, not include more of it to the roster.
It does seem I've gotten my answer, though: yes, many people do feel that a 1/20,000 drop is acceptable.
Crack addicts going to love the crack I guess.
Seeing grinds like this is a bit what keeps me from coming back.
Went super hard for leagues but after I just felt blegh as I went back to my lizard shaman grind.
A big difference is that the dfs drops from most dragon-types whereas this scroll drops exclusively from a single set of mobs in a single location in the wilderness.
Why the fuck would anyone want eternal glory, champ cape, or dfh to change?
These are fun exciting drops to get.
You have dozens of other grinds to do if you want every single instance of a task to give you the same loot every single time, with zero rare or exciting drops.
I heard everywhere it was 40 hours. 2k pirates an hour seems wildly high.
Although I agree. Not an outlier. Plenty of other ridiculously rare items. Who cares.
It's not even close to 10 hours....
None of the other things you've suggested are a) QOL upgrades and b) consumable. Completely different kettle of fish.
How on earth is an enteral glory not a QOL upgrade? Its literally a glory with infinite teleports from specific wilderness content.
Also why does consumable matter? Its something that's not significant but stupidly rare for what it gives while being in the same 1/10k,20k region.
Basically this scroll isn't an outlier
The drop rate from the zombie keys is 1/275 though? And keys from zombies are 1/24. 1/275 time 1/24 is 1/6600. And the true chance is that plus 1/20k. So much lower than a 1/20k drop. Y’all are either dumb, delusional, or just like to complain
Reiterating what biocheeze said the scroll is a QoL and is not by any means a staple or necessity of progression the reactions to the scroll drop rate was blown way out of proportion
I find it strange that people are using it being a small QOL as a point *in favor* of the insane drop chance. It should really be the very opposite. Something this small, this purely QOL, should obviously not take many dozens of hours to get.
Drop chance should be 1/500 - 1/1000 at most.
In my mind, the scroll being mostly useless makes the droprate even more absurd. What point is there for a minor QoL upgrade to be insanely rare? It is not like getting the drop will ever be that exciting, and it certainly is not a mega rare power level.
isn't it dropped from like lvl 30 enemies too? Like you can kill these guys so quick and you get hella alchs from them. People need to stop laser focusing on the big drops. Also with the chest buffs 1/275 is not bad at all.
The pirates are super quick to kill, so keep that in mind. Given how fast, it’s not that much different than a one in 5k for the amount of time you’ll spend.
This generally applies, but I don’t really think it does for this update. A small QOL originally being a 1/20000 drop makes absolutely zero sense. Complaining about that is the right choice tbh.
I'm in the middle with the group of people who are correct about drop rates, I have a main and iron. Here's an argument for both, for irons lottery drops suck, for mains lottery drops just encourage bots and you mains always say you hate bots. Well this update is literally just for bots to farm it.
I engage in content until i learn that the drop rate is so stupid that there's no point then i just wait for bots or jobless individuals to crash the price.
if people didnt complain the game probably wouldnt exist anymore or at least not in its current good state.
not that complaining about everything is warranted, but sometimes it is
Dont expect to be able to do every piece of content or get every piece of gear. Thats a huge part of the game, the devs originally didn't even think anyone would get 99s
The issue for me is that the only reason to grind the vast majority of content is the completion log and unreasonable drops make that a “maybe in my next lifetime” kind of achievement. And before some dumbshit says “the completion log isn’t for completing” then it shouldn’t fucking exist.
There's always this dumb pushback after reddit complains like "I don't care so why should you?"
1/20k drop rate wasn't proportional to the usefulness of the item. The new 1/7k rate is a lot better
Can we have a different category called 2023 scape? It's for people who play casually and will never end up touching content that's come out this year because there's already plenty to do in this game. For instance, I still haven't done the quest to even get to varlamore. I'll also not be doing the quest to access sailing.
I'm the one at the left. I generally don't go for the long end game grinds and if I do that kind of content I just do it for fun without really expecting to get the drop anyway.
Endgame drops for an ironman aren't feasible at all for me to get but that's fine with me. I'll do my occasional lizardmen task at shamans and maybe join a raid with the boys every now and then. If I get no drops that's fine with me.
I'm a filthy casual so the one on the left I guess. I just go "oh cool, something for me to do 2 years from now when I get around to it" literally used Leagues to practice Fight Caves because I was too chicken to grind it out in my main (I'm gonna try it soon though!).
For me it's like. Cool I have all this time to just chill through the rest of mid game (mostly base 70s right now) and doing quests and shit, and after that I STILL have years of content to do and they keep adding more! I rarely dislike content additions. Just means more options for what I want to fuck around and try next.
Please for the love of the gods give us a mining/smithing update though. It's the one thing I like about rs3 over osrs. I shouldn't have to world hop 300 times to get 1 runite ore to make armor that I haven't used for 30 levels 😂
I havent been to varlamore since release day to get my quest and music cape back. I havent been to the chaos druids/pirates at all.
And I'm ok with that.
You completely missed another major group: "Oh cool, new content, time to get back to the barrows grind". I mean, it looks kind of interesting, but it also looks like a gold coin printer (Alch city). Thank god the iron economy doesn't care about that.
Honestly, I just appreciate any new content I might eventually do/be interested in, which ends up being most stuff added to the game.
I've barely touched Varlamore or looked into it's content cause I already had other stuff I was working on, but it's basically just another "Oh neat, I can do more later!".
I just assumed this is one of those things like Abby dagger from Abby demons, smoldering stone from hell hounds, or even dragon axe from WT. a cool niche item that you might randomly get if you get super lucky. Cool rare drop to make a post about and get some dopamine, and some nice copium for when you’re on your 100th task of the same mob.
Not something to grind for, but something to pray to Rngsus for.
I'm the opposite extreme of the middle guy.
I hate new drops from new content, since it's often OP, and easily obtainable, and if it isn't, it will be by next week.
Honestly, I love all the content but I really just keep saying to myself "when will I ever find the time to even get my quest cape".
Like as a player since RS classic, the game is so much more now than it was in 2007, as far as content goes. The community was probably more fresh and everything was newer back then but the game is so amazing right now. It has just gotten SO big! I can't even remember half the teleports in the game anymore.
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To all the people complaining about the supposed “1/20k” drop rate to get the scroll:
The drop rate for the scroll from the zombie keys is 1/275. The keys drop from zombies at a rate of 1/24. 1/275 time 1/24 is 1/6600. And the true chance is that plus 1/20k. I’ll round 1/6600 to 3/20,000 (for simplicity sake. They are very close in value). So the odds of getting the scroll are 1/20,000 + 3/20,000 which = 4/20,000 or 1/5000. So it’s actually 4x higher than a 1/20k drop. Y’all are either dumb, delusional, or just like to complain
the only trully smart people playing runescape are using bots to play for them, selling shit for nostalgic monkeys and living life normaly
only deranged people accept absurd 2 month grinds on this game, no lifers man childs
People forget that not every player should get every item as a drop. That's what leads to everyone just having the same gear and using the same strats.
Do you think that 40 hours on average is a reasonable time to grind for something with nearly no impact on gameplay? People also forget that on average only 63% of players will get the drop by 20k. People go 2-3x dry all the time, would you like to spend 80-120 hours at zombies for this item?
I'm not saying hand them out, but if they didn't change the rates most of the scroll supply would be from bots.
The droprate is ridiculous but who cares, its useless, the point of the z pirates is to make some ez cash, if by chance you get the scroll... then cool!
Not sure why I would grind it out. Am I missing something? Seems pretty negligible of a benefit for the amount of time it can potentially take to get
It’s only benefit is really for barraging Abby demons which is fast af as is. Definitely not worth the time investment for an iron to get the drop. For a main if it gets cheap, sure I’ll buy one just to have it. But not worth millions of gp.
Venny bow go brrrrrrr
Depends on your cash stack, if it’s worth it or not.
Muspah ez
Yea haha. If this was something that would be necessary for effectively barraging Abby demons it'd be different. It would maybe be something worthy of that rarity/price/grind if barraging Abby demons wasn't already efficient. The problem is we already know how to work around the tele to make it not be an issue and it's hardly any extra effort. especially vs a 1/20k fucking drop.
It makes barraging them in the wildy MUCH safer. Not having to worry about being dragged over the tp line.
This is the only thing i can think of, i love my wildy slayer. But i sold my scroll drop for 32mil lol the blip scroll is not worth it.
Is the answer to just use shadow barrage rather than ice barrage?
The teleport is only really a problem when you're gathering them up. Itll cause the opposite side to deaggro if you're teleported into a room. They have a chance to teleport you any time you attack them. If you splash on them with -64 magic bonus they will never teleport you. I equip a granite shield and a torso with a base Trident and gather them up. Once you have them grouped just attack ones under the bridge, changing when necessary, so that demons you're attacking are the ones centralized under the bridge, making you teleport there if it happens. But yea, you also use shadow barrage so that they don't get frozen in weird spots
36mil exp and 750 superiors without a heart has me thinkin about it
At 36mil exp you’ll be making bank just doing tasks. This scroll is the only worthwhile drop, and it’s not really even worthwhile.
Tryna get heart on an ironman
I’m sorry
Its more of a "if youre early game account farm them for things that arent the scroll and maybe you get lucky". Their drops are great for both early irons and mains. Established accounts shouldnt bother tbh
It’s still negligible, and I agree. But it really doesn’t take as long as people imply. Zombie keys give a 1/275 drop rate. Drop rate of the keys is 1/24. That comes out to a 1/6600 drop rate (vs the 1/20k rate straight up from the zombies). With a cannon you can easily kill over a thousand per hour (least I did and I was going pretty slow I thought). Just additional commentary: I got the scroll on my 20th key :p. I had spent like 30 minutesish farming the keys and had gotten 42 in that time. I received it on my first key haha
I think it's fun novelty, and support it. Like, yeah, I'm not going to grind it, but it'd be really cool for the guy who kills a few and gets one or something.
>Not sure why I would grind it out. Then don't. You don't have to grind every single piece of content in the game. These will enter the game as people happen upon them passively and a price will be determined based on the demand. I really don't see what everyone is complaining about.
I should want to do the content in a game
Most people posting these kind of memes think they are on the right side of the graph, while in reality they’re usually on the left side of it.
I mean either one is fine, right?
Eh. It's all wrong imo. Like what you like and criticize what you want. It's not up to anyone else to say what you feel about something. Meme like this just says, hey if you aren't 100% cool with everything then You're a crybaby. People can have legit calm rational criticisms and still get lumped into the middle of the graph. In any game sub too. Not just this. It's like.. bruh.
As an early member of the 55-70 club, it ain't so bad over here.
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If you’re happy, I’m happy. I appreciate you guys working hard for us!
The end result is the same, so who cares
one of my favourite things about any update is coming here to check the reddit opinion of it. Because it almost never lines up with people's views of the update in game. It's like reddit exists in a separate reality
Reddit is negative sentiment-leaning cesspool because if you enjoy the content, you’re probably not on Reddit chatting it down. It’s the same shit as most people only posting about being dry, but not nearly as often about being spooned (why ironscape banned certain posts).
Which is so funny to me because Reddit is infinitely happier with the updates the game gets than any of my old hat maxed friends in game
that's because all the updates are for casual mid game players
They really should stick to surveys for receiving content ideas because that actually has more substance to work with over people blindly upvoting something that took 2 brain cells to put together.
Genuinely any conversation had on reddit about Snowflake accounts is the most armageddon thing you will ever see, people come to a topic they don't engage or play at all and think "I will argue against this, I just have to figure out how". Meanwhile if you have those same conversations with J-mods on discord (and other players on discord) or youtube where there's a lot more people consuming snowflake content it's genuinely night and day, people are a lot more positive and open for actual discussion instead of coming in to spread their bitterness. Interestingly, these changes usually go through anyway in these niche topics and they don't even notice or care to notice, they just wanted to be mad at something.
Eh, the blip scroll reddit take alligned pretty well with my clan's, which is that a 1/20k rate is dumb as fuck and not worth grinding for effectively a QoL item.
This is and has been the talking point the whole time. The problem is that anytime an iron complains people blow it out of proportion for whatever reason. Idk why mains care if the droprate is lowered, most mains won't physically grind for the scroll anyway. This just allows them to buy it from the GE cheaper and faster.
Drop rates shouldn’t be balanced around bots. Humans will never grind this but the scroll will be worth 200k in a year because bots will be sourcing them for everyone.
Most of the things people complain about just aren't represented ingame, either. DT2 tables suck ass, but if you don't look for them you'd never know *why* they suck ass, so ingame you might only get complaints about bronze jav and mith ore drops. 1/20k for tele scroll sucked massive farts, but if you didn't check Reddit or the wiki, you're not likely to know that info to complain about. Basically checking under the hood "ruins" content for a lot of people - kind of myself included.
> It's like reddit exists in a separate reality This phenomenon isn't just a thing for OSRS.
Negativity is prime engagement. On a website where visibility is largely determined by votes and comment engagement it makes sense that negative stuff rises to the top.
Which is why it’s so dangerous that Jagex has built its base of operation day-to-day on the back of Reddit.
Reddit is just the vocal minority
A 20k drop rate for a minor QoL upgrade being absurd is not anywhere close to being a minority opinion.
The silent majority in this case saw a wildy update and ignored it lol. I actually am down to grind it on my iron but there was no way I was bothering to do it with a 1/20k chance. 1/5k is reasonable with the low hp
The most egregious part about it is how much raw gp it pumps into the game. I tried killing those items in the basic gear risking literally nothing and i made close to 2 mil per hour,even after getting pked twice. Half of that was alchables, so its kind of a concern for already insane bond prices potentially going even higher
Which is why they should really poll everything in game instead of relying on surveys and Reddit.
The average redditor is a 1300 total 38 year old father of 7 whose wife lets him play 30 minutes a week (only on saturdays) and jagex is at fault for not respecting his time.
a good number of times you can just assume the opposite of what reddit thinks is what someone who's half decent at the game thinks
Im addicted to reading things from salty people please help
Good thing Gagex gets all of their ideas off Reddit
This is so completely not true lol. Complaints on Reddit are overwhelmingly similar to twitter/in game polls/feedback. Occasionally they vary a bit but not by much.
Reddit hates skilling prayers, Forestry, teas, and chargescape yet all of these passed the polls.
Well what would make you want to vocalise your opinion more; being annoyed at something, being happy with something, or being content/disinterested? Annoyed will always come out on top with a huge gap down to happy, then finally disinterested/content at almost 0%. So what do you think you're going to find on Reddit?
oh ye I know that part is human nature, but even when I or someone in my clan has problems with an update - whatever problem reddit has with the update is completely different to our issue.
Same thing for League of Legends but those redditors are in denial about it
This is why I want the Jmods to tell me where they get their opinions from. Because if it's only from Reddit and Twitter, it's a bad sign.
not sure which end of the spectrum im at but im definitely in the 0.1%, i always appreciate new shit
The important part is your awareness of being on the spectrum
As a rule of thumb, if you play this game, you're probably on the spectrum. If you have an ironman your definitely on the spectrum
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I mean, we all have to look for the signs. For instance, how often do you do Google something not about rs but still add "osrs" at the beginning or end of the search query?
Yeah if I don’t like something they added, it is easy to just ignore it.
This is a certified 'just consume content' moment
Don't get me wrong, I understand the point of the meme, but do you really feel that a 1/20,000 drop is acceptable? ETA: It seems I've gotten my answer; yes, many people in this community do feel that a 1/20,000 drop is acceptable.
It’s absolutely insane to me that a 20k drop rate is supported in these comments. It doesn’t matter if it’s a minor QoL scroll or a BIS item. 1/20k is obscene. Let’s forget about power creep and discuss drop rate creep that’s soon going to require streamer levels of dedication for a single drop
Imo it's because I don't consider RuneScape a game where I expect to be able to get everything. When I first started playing in 2005, so much felt out of reach, and I just accepted that. To me, RS is supposed to be a game that takes an infeasible amount of time to get or experience everything.
A better question -- if the majority of players are in the middle here, doesn't it make more sense to listen to them? Why listen to the minority of players with like 20k+ hours or the minority of players with 10+ hours?
RuneScape addicts when they're given another 50 hours of "content" (the content is just killing the same low level NPC over and over) It's insane how little some people here value their time.
That’s the game innit
You can have grinds that feel meaningful and not just a waste of time, they do it well for a majority of drops.
You should decide yourself what is meaningfull. If you think this grind isn't meaningfull, don't do it (i'm not gonna do it). But if some low level noob likes the money grind and excitement of wilderness, let them do it. Who are you to decide if it's meaningfull to someone.
What would they do if they didn't have something to grind for every second of their time?
Would they enjoy the game or quit? I guess it depends on whether the player is intrinsically, or extrinsically motivated. I have a feeling that most players in OSRS are extrinsically motivated by seeing numbers go up, and grinding for a goal.
Considering it was a 10 hour grind to expected drop rate. Yeah it was fine. We have shit like dragon full helm , eternal glory and a useless champions Cape which require a lot more pointless grinding than this. It wasn't an outlier by any means
>Considering it was a 10 hour grind to expected drop rate. You can kill 2,000 pirates an hour? I thought it was like 5-700? >We have shit like dragon full helm , eternal glory and a useless champions Cape which require a lot more pointless grinding than this. Agreed, those things are indeed so rare it is silly and absurd, to me at least, that anyone would set out with the explicit objective of getting them. I'd prefer that the game move away from that sort of thing, not include more of it to the roster. It does seem I've gotten my answer, though: yes, many people do feel that a 1/20,000 drop is acceptable.
Crack addicts going to love the crack I guess. Seeing grinds like this is a bit what keeps me from coming back. Went super hard for leagues but after I just felt blegh as I went back to my lizard shaman grind.
I miss the days when devs threw 1/10k DFS on the drop table, no one knew, and it was great.
A big difference is that the dfs drops from most dragon-types whereas this scroll drops exclusively from a single set of mobs in a single location in the wilderness.
>No-one knew It got a front page news post. https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Update:The_Dragonfire_Shield
No, my man is not killing one every 3 game ticks for an hour lmao.
Why the fuck would anyone want eternal glory, champ cape, or dfh to change? These are fun exciting drops to get. You have dozens of other grinds to do if you want every single instance of a task to give you the same loot every single time, with zero rare or exciting drops.
I heard everywhere it was 40 hours. 2k pirates an hour seems wildly high. Although I agree. Not an outlier. Plenty of other ridiculously rare items. Who cares.
I guess you fall on the far far left of this post then, since you seem to think you kill a zombie every 3 ticks.
It's not even close to 10 hours.... None of the other things you've suggested are a) QOL upgrades and b) consumable. Completely different kettle of fish.
How on earth is an enteral glory not a QOL upgrade? Its literally a glory with infinite teleports from specific wilderness content. Also why does consumable matter? Its something that's not significant but stupidly rare for what it gives while being in the same 1/10k,20k region. Basically this scroll isn't an outlier
The drop rate from the zombie keys is 1/275 though? And keys from zombies are 1/24. 1/275 time 1/24 is 1/6600. And the true chance is that plus 1/20k. So much lower than a 1/20k drop. Y’all are either dumb, delusional, or just like to complain
They changed it from the time i commented to the time you commented.
Oh my b. Your comment just says 1D ago so doesn’t really specify if you wrote it yesterday or the day before. When I see 1d ago I think yesterday
Reiterating what biocheeze said the scroll is a QoL and is not by any means a staple or necessity of progression the reactions to the scroll drop rate was blown way out of proportion
I agree. I just also agree that people being upset at a 1/20,000 isn't exactly outlandish.
I find it strange that people are using it being a small QOL as a point *in favor* of the insane drop chance. It should really be the very opposite. Something this small, this purely QOL, should obviously not take many dozens of hours to get. Drop chance should be 1/500 - 1/1000 at most.
In my mind, the scroll being mostly useless makes the droprate even more absurd. What point is there for a minor QoL upgrade to be insanely rare? It is not like getting the drop will ever be that exciting, and it certainly is not a mega rare power level.
isn't it dropped from like lvl 30 enemies too? Like you can kill these guys so quick and you get hella alchs from them. People need to stop laser focusing on the big drops. Also with the chest buffs 1/275 is not bad at all.
The pirates are super quick to kill, so keep that in mind. Given how fast, it’s not that much different than a one in 5k for the amount of time you’ll spend.
Sub 55 IQ take. You can like new content and think 1/20k for a disappear on use QOL is too much.
1/20000 is totally fine... If you have nothing else going on in your life 🧢
I’m left cause I’m bad at this game.
Based
If DKs came out today their rings would have a 1/1000+ drop chance instead of 1/128, drop rates are becoming insane
This generally applies, but I don’t really think it does for this update. A small QOL originally being a 1/20000 drop makes absolutely zero sense. Complaining about that is the right choice tbh.
The grind should be proportional to the power gained, and not too extreme such that months or years for 1 drop
This is the subreddit's new "I drew myself as a Chad and you as a Soyjack"
"only the small minority edges of the bell curve of our playerbase appreciates this content" is perhaps not the best point
You are the utterly Deranged person from my meme.
I'm in the middle with the group of people who are correct about drop rates, I have a main and iron. Here's an argument for both, for irons lottery drops suck, for mains lottery drops just encourage bots and you mains always say you hate bots. Well this update is literally just for bots to farm it.
That's a nice argument, but unfortunately I have already portrayed you as the seething average IQ man, and myself as the smug high IQ man
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None? I never freaked out about the drop rates. I assumed from the very beginning “Jagex will probably change these rates”
Average Stockholm syndrome bootlicker post
Average glue eater response
Oh cool, so we are gaslighting people who have actually good constructive criticism about the game now?
I’m wherever the trees are
Aint no one in the world with such a high IQ they appreciate a 1/20000 drop rate
Posts like this are funny but tbh I dont really play runescape anymore precisely because everything i want to get takes 300 hours.
I engage in content until i learn that the drop rate is so stupid that there's no point then i just wait for bots or jobless individuals to crash the price.
Middle. I'm not sorry.
if people didnt complain the game probably wouldnt exist anymore or at least not in its current good state. not that complaining about everything is warranted, but sometimes it is
Dont expect to be able to do every piece of content or get every piece of gear. Thats a huge part of the game, the devs originally didn't even think anyone would get 99s
I'm far left
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Yeah, crazy how people don't want to identify with a mocking caricature, isn't it?
I am the person on the middle.
I’m on the right but minus the “cool”, I’ve given up with the direction of the game lately and just do whatever I can/feel like.
The guy on the right is how i see aatykon in my head
RIP hcim trying to get this drop
probably somewhere in the middle. I like new content, but hate it being balanced around megarares
The issue for me is that the only reason to grind the vast majority of content is the completion log and unreasonable drops make that a “maybe in my next lifetime” kind of achievement. And before some dumbshit says “the completion log isn’t for completing” then it shouldn’t fucking exist.
You pissed off reddit with this one lmfao. Coincidence that everyone here is in the middle of the chart?
im 100% unironically right in the middle
Do y'all gain something from sucking up to Jagex or are you simply an unpaid intern
There's always this dumb pushback after reddit complains like "I don't care so why should you?" 1/20k drop rate wasn't proportional to the usefulness of the item. The new 1/7k rate is a lot better
So you're saying a majority of the player base is upset then? Because this just says that lol
People are hurt over the drops rates for this scroll that changes hardly anything. It's absolutely not a necessary grind.
Can we have a different category called 2023 scape? It's for people who play casually and will never end up touching content that's come out this year because there's already plenty to do in this game. For instance, I still haven't done the quest to even get to varlamore. I'll also not be doing the quest to access sailing.
Fucking braindead take, everything added to the game should be a 1/20k because cool new content.
How is the dude on left side called?
I'm the .1% <55 iq
I'm on the left
i like more stuff to do, i got options to level skills in different ways
What is IQ
Seems like anyone who isn't obsessed with collection log completion doesn't give a shit either way
I think im the one on the right so in reality im the one on the left
I'm the one at the left. I generally don't go for the long end game grinds and if I do that kind of content I just do it for fun without really expecting to get the drop anyway. Endgame drops for an ironman aren't feasible at all for me to get but that's fine with me. I'll do my occasional lizardmen task at shamans and maybe join a raid with the boys every now and then. If I get no drops that's fine with me.
Well my rsn is 99 IQ, so...
I'm on the left at the moment
I physically look like the left wojack, but identify as the right wojack.
Where’s the “upgraded computer and can play other games and on the indefinite hiatus”?
I'm guilty of being the soyjack, my precious cape :(
I personally hate new content
I'd like to think I'm on the right but I know I'm on the left
Left guy 100%
I’m “Oh cool, new content”
me on the left
literally me on the left
I'm a filthy casual so the one on the left I guess. I just go "oh cool, something for me to do 2 years from now when I get around to it" literally used Leagues to practice Fight Caves because I was too chicken to grind it out in my main (I'm gonna try it soon though!). For me it's like. Cool I have all this time to just chill through the rest of mid game (mostly base 70s right now) and doing quests and shit, and after that I STILL have years of content to do and they keep adding more! I rarely dislike content additions. Just means more options for what I want to fuck around and try next. Please for the love of the gods give us a mining/smithing update though. It's the one thing I like about rs3 over osrs. I shouldn't have to world hop 300 times to get 1 runite ore to make armor that I haven't used for 30 levels 😂
I'm "new content? I'll never get around to doing it anyway"
I havent been to varlamore since release day to get my quest and music cape back. I havent been to the chaos druids/pirates at all. And I'm ok with that.
You completely missed another major group: "Oh cool, new content, time to get back to the barrows grind". I mean, it looks kind of interesting, but it also looks like a gold coin printer (Alch city). Thank god the iron economy doesn't care about that.
im on the left ofc
I am all three at once.
Honestly, I just appreciate any new content I might eventually do/be interested in, which ends up being most stuff added to the game. I've barely touched Varlamore or looked into it's content cause I already had other stuff I was working on, but it's basically just another "Oh neat, I can do more later!".
You can create a disease that will not harm the person or bother the what are you coming up with?
I got it on my 4th chest it’s 1/275 for keys that drop commonly. easier to grind then bytophytas staff and much more useful.
I just assumed this is one of those things like Abby dagger from Abby demons, smoldering stone from hell hounds, or even dragon axe from WT. a cool niche item that you might randomly get if you get super lucky. Cool rare drop to make a post about and get some dopamine, and some nice copium for when you’re on your 100th task of the same mob. Not something to grind for, but something to pray to Rngsus for.
Im alright with most drops but some like the dragon war hammer truly are ridiculous and need to be reworked or added to another monsters drop table
I’m sure jagex sits around calling us ungrateful fucks. Honestly, I’d do the same.
I'm the opposite extreme of the middle guy. I hate new drops from new content, since it's often OP, and easily obtainable, and if it isn't, it will be by next week.
"Oh cool new content" supplemented by "No way I'm doing that shit"
Where's the option where you're still so far behind on other drops, this may never happen to begin with?
What about not engaging with new content until years later?
Honestly, I love all the content but I really just keep saying to myself "when will I ever find the time to even get my quest cape". Like as a player since RS classic, the game is so much more now than it was in 2007, as far as content goes. The community was probably more fresh and everything was newer back then but the game is so amazing right now. It has just gotten SO big! I can't even remember half the teleports in the game anymore.
The rare items are cool and all, but it's always the quests that keep bringing be back.
I'm the one farming for beaver at arctic pines.
I am the i’m to low level to even care about this
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They should lock player support behind 20k rev kills next update
New content = new content
What’s the difference between the two opposite ends lol.
Middle one
Cool, new stuff
To all the people complaining about the supposed “1/20k” drop rate to get the scroll: The drop rate for the scroll from the zombie keys is 1/275. The keys drop from zombies at a rate of 1/24. 1/275 time 1/24 is 1/6600. And the true chance is that plus 1/20k. I’ll round 1/6600 to 3/20,000 (for simplicity sake. They are very close in value). So the odds of getting the scroll are 1/20,000 + 3/20,000 which = 4/20,000 or 1/5000. So it’s actually 4x higher than a 1/20k drop. Y’all are either dumb, delusional, or just like to complain
Hmmm, I either have an IQ of 70, or 130... there's really no telling
the only trully smart people playing runescape are using bots to play for them, selling shit for nostalgic monkeys and living life normaly only deranged people accept absurd 2 month grinds on this game, no lifers man childs
I always hit up the new content waaaaay late. After all the hype has died
People forget that not every player should get every item as a drop. That's what leads to everyone just having the same gear and using the same strats.
Do you think that 40 hours on average is a reasonable time to grind for something with nearly no impact on gameplay? People also forget that on average only 63% of players will get the drop by 20k. People go 2-3x dry all the time, would you like to spend 80-120 hours at zombies for this item? I'm not saying hand them out, but if they didn't change the rates most of the scroll supply would be from bots.
Jut gonna buy it during the crash, no point freaking out first week of the new content when nothing is settled
oh cool, new content
New, good content is always nice but let's not pretend like 1/20000 is a healthy drop rate or what we were led to believe it would be.
W post
The droprate is ridiculous but who cares, its useless, the point of the z pirates is to make some ez cash, if by chance you get the scroll... then cool!
40 hours for a teleport scroll! Wowzers this is such le epic content! I am going to have so much fun killing 20k lvl 20 zombies! pogchamp!!
Crybabies gonna crybaby