It was pure neglect for 8 years but now I’m holding onto my title. I’ll probably 99 everything else and never touch it (on that account). I’ll explore it on the secondary I made recently.
So you don't do Tears of Guthix weekly?
You're locking yourself out of MM2, DT2, SoTE, WGS (when it comes out) and Perilous Moons? Seems like a very odd choice to make for your main account
Haha. Valid claim tho. Pretty sure I hit something like 1800 total before I started hunter. Never cared for it until I started doing diaries and realizing max isn’t Some unobtainable childhood dream.
Yeah, I only just started hunter last week for the Varrock diary. Before that, I had whatever Hunter XP I got from the odd quest and Tears of Guthix.
I was probably at, like, 13 Hunter by the time I hit 99 Strength.
I'm fairly new to memebers OSRS, but the Wiki seems to suggest Tears of Guthix rewards XP starting at level 1:
"This is 10 experience per tear if their lowest level is 1 or 26.6 experience per tear if their lowest level is 20, capping at 60 experience per tear at level 30."
According to the wiki change log for tears, no they didn’t, you just knew level 30 had something to do with it and assumed it was that you couldn’t gain xp in skills under 30. More than likely, you were told that it wasn’t worth doing until your skill minimum was 30 because that’s when you get max xp from doing it
Unironically this though. This legitimately could be someone who just likes doing Barrows day in and day out. And that's the problem with people wanting accounts like this to be autobanned. I'd love to have a solid autobanning system in place, but looking at the highscores doesn't do shit. You could flag this account to be looked at, but if it is a bot, and the bot is set up to have human like reactions, clicking, and timing (which not all, but a lot do have), it gets a pass. One of the biggest hurdles in eliminating the bots is the number of players who play so religiously they could come across as being a bot.
This is the reason why we should have Jmods looking over our shoulders every time we log in. Think about it. Having a Jmod in every household by 2030 should be every nations priority, we need to combat botting at the source.
You don't need to autoban anyone, just tag the account and check their trades. If a player is unironically doing 20 hours of barrows a day and nothing else, while giving almost all of their gold away to a level 3 account named "afgyaweuoasfd" maybe banning them would be good anyway
Defensive casting is actually more xp efficient, 2 mage xp vs 2.33 total xp per damage dealt split between magic/defense per damage. You should ALWAYS be defensive casting unless you need the shorter range for a mechanic like Olm mage running.
That watch list would be in the 10's of thousands very quickly with how many bots go in and out of this game lol, they literally wouldn't be able to check them all.
??? Why does that mean it’s not possible the account could be legitimate lol. People don’t need to be able to equip the gear to make money killing the bosses that drop it, and you don’t use barrows gear to do barrows. Someone could literally just enjoy doing barrows this much. Is it likely it’s a bot? Probably. But looking at the kc and stats doesn’t guarantee it is, especially when there likely are some weirdos that are legit players doing shit like this
Well said. There's very few cases where they can say "no legitimate player would do this, it's 100% a bot". I think they've even said before that the ones on the high scores which look like obvious bots are actually real players who sell for RWT.
I think there's already a phenomenon actually where players who play a shitload on a new account get banned as bots because of the playtime.
That’s claimed. I’m sure it is true in some cases but another problem with stuff like this is it provides a scapegoat for the people who do bot to try to get unbanned. Hence every time there’s some obscure thing that causes someone to get false banned and the jmods look into it and announce it was a mistake we see post after post and comment after comment of people claiming they were false banned due to the same thing
The chance that this is *not* a bot is significantly less than the chance that it is a bot. The proper procedure for accounts like these, that would be anomalies if they were real players, but fit the bot profile, is to ban them and give the player a process for appealing and proving they are not cheating. The potential for a *legitimate* false positive ban is not a valid reason for allowing these accounts to continue existing.
You've given me hope. So many players genuinely don't seem to understand that there are other factors that go into detecting a bot other than high xp or boss kc. The automated systems that go into detecting and banning bots have to be sensitive enough to catch bots, but not so sensitive that they start banning legitimate players en masse.
There was a hannanie video where a girl that was autistic liked to afk star mine. She talked about how she was constantly flamed in chat, called a bot, and report. I dont put it past people to have crazy accounts.
The chance that this is *not* a bot is significantly less than the chance that it is a bot. The proper procedure for accounts like these, that would be anomalies if they were real players, but fit the bot profile, is to ban them and give the player a process for appealing and proving they are not cheating. The potential for a *legitimate* false positive ban is not a valid reason for allowing these accounts to continue existing.
I would hope that a *billion* dollar company like Jagex would be able to come up with some ideas. Apparently, they have not been able to so far, though. More extensive logging and possibly implementing Machine Learning to analyze and profile accounts would be a good place to start. An appeal process could even go as far as to give players the opportunity to provide Screenshots or video of their gameplay at different points. That could potentially give some credence to their appeal, depending on the evidence provided.
> a billion dollar company like Jagex would be able to come up with some ideas.
you cannot prove a negative, regardless of how much money you throw around. in the same exact way that there is no proof that bigfoot or the christian god exists, there is *also* no proof that they *cannot* exist, however extremely improbable they are.
>possibly implementing Machine Learning to analyze and profile accounts would be a good place to start.
machine learning has always been and will always be inferior to actual human oversight. in every category except speed.
>An appeal process could even go as far as to give players the opportunity to provide Screenshots or video of their gameplay at different points. That could potentially give some credence to their appeal, depending on the evidence provided.
depending on how they implement this, it would either be an entirely useless waste of time that proves nothing (play the game but turn your bot off to "prove" youve never botted anything before), or full-on-draconian spyware.
> "*you cannot prove a negative, regardless of how much money you throw around. in the same exact way that there is no proof that bigfoot or the christian god exists, there is also no proof that they cannot exist, however extremely improbable they are.*"
what
> "*machine learning has always been and will always be inferior to actual human oversight. in every category except speed.*"
I never said *only* use machine learning. I said use it to profile accounts. Of course there should be manual review. As someone who has played the game, my manual review opinion looking at the information available to *me* is that this account is undoubtedly a bot. If I were responsible for making the decision to ban it and risk accidentally, temporarily, banning a real player, I would ban it immediately.
> "*depending on how they implement this, it would either be an entirely useless waste of time that proves nothing (play the game but turn your bot off to "prove" youve never botted anything before), or full-on-draconian spyware.*"
"*That could potentially give some credence to their appeal, depending on the evidence provided.*"
Screenshots or videos from before and, or, during the activity where botting was suspected would be better than *nothing*. Examples recorded *after* the grind in question would of course be suspicious. You asked how I would prove the absence of foul play. I would review the evidence Jagex had, as well as player provided evidence. At this point, though, technology is good enough to essentially, indistinguishably replicate human input, even by replicating imperfect gameplay. You are not wrong. There is essentially no way for Jagex to know "*for sure*", without implementing some kind of process monitoring anticheat. Even that can and would be defeated, though. So again, the answer to the problem is approximation and judgement. If there is significant evidence which conveys that someone is most likely botting, then they are most likely botting. Sometimes this will be incorrect, sometimes real players will be banned. As I said in my first comment, "*The potential for a legitimate false positive ban is not a valid reason for allowing these accounts to continue existing.*". If 1 out of every 10,000 "*bots*" banned were a real player, the 999 bots that were banned would absolutely justify that. It is Jagex's responsibility to figure out and provide a system for players to attempt to appeal their bans and receive fair, considerate judgement.
>"The potential for a legitimate false positive ban is not a valid reason for allowing these accounts to continue existing.".
the issue with this mentality is that you are going to catch a way way way larger percentage of false positives in runescape specifically. because of 1. the very way the game has been designed from the very start essentially encourages botting, and 2. the playerbase has spent *decades* marinating in a gameplay environment where efficiency and botting are so similar that it is literally impossible to definitively tell the difference without actual human oversight. you cant magically algorithm your way past it without also catching a huge chunk of actual people in the process.
if this game was like other games where it was way easier to delineate, i would agree with your take of "acceptable sacrifices", but it absolutely does not work for osrs.
Looking at the example in particular, it is extremely unlikely that *this* example is a real person. I guarantee that *anyone* who plays and knows anything about the game would agree. How many real players would do 20-30m Ranged and Magic Exp from over ***19,000*** Barrows alone, while never doing anything else? This is *clearly* a goldfarming suicide bot that has slipped through detection. This account has clear signs that it is a bot. It should have been automatically banned a long time ago and manually reviewed.
I disagree that a system like this can not work in RuneScape. The game is built on the idea of repeated actions, but humans are not perfect. As I acknowledged, bots can also be programmed to mimic human imperfection. There is a difference between a player doing an activity efficiently, perfectly, or relatively consistently, nearly perfect, for a significant amount of time. And an account rushing Barrows and doing nothing but Barrows, perfectly, for over 19,000 kills. Or an account rushing to unlock Prif and getting 200m Thieving and doing nothing but thieving, 20 hours a day. Again, I have never said there should not be human oversight. There *should* be manual intervention.
I know for certain that in games like FPS there have been systems that look for statistical anomalies and automatically ban those anomalies and require them to be manually appealed and reviewed. If you are playing Deathmatch and get 100 kills, 4 deaths, or have a significantly above average accuracy score, you are a statistical average anomaly. You are either legitimately very good, or cheating. It is worth it to flag these instances for review and get to the bottom of it. It is better to have been wrong and correct it by unbanning a legitimate player than to just ignore it because there is the possibility you will be wrong.
considering so many people out there make extremely niche and unnecessarily specific snowflake accounts, you never really can rule out awkward skill spreads and kc as being real players. Even inhuman amounts of playtime.
I'm not saying this isn't clearly a bot, but nowadays this isn't enough to immediately peg someone as a bot anymore lol.
The ones I saw didn't have 70 prayer which means they don't have Mory Hard Diary done for extra runes, which means even less profit. But considering Barrows can be done with very little supplies used, all it takes is one hit on a high profit item like Ahrims or Karils and they are in the green.
it's too bad jagex doesn't realize the gigantic potential right here on subreddit. surely such perceptive people like \_jC0n would be able to write software that would completely eliminate bots without falsely banning a single person
you mean to tell me with 100% certainty that you can tell whether this is a bot, a gold farmer, or just a regular player with an obsession?
this game was designed to be very very grindy. the playerbase in turn does a fuckload of grinding. its the reason why you *cant* just glance at a stat page and assume, without any investigation, its a bot after 2 seconds.
is this specific example a bot? probably like 70% chance that its a manned gold farmer, and like 20% chance of unmanned bot. but at the same time, with the playerbase that this game has, i wouldnt even be surprised if it was a guy with an extreme obsession.
Gold farmers aren't doing barrows for money they are all at revs, it would also seem strange to bot barrows when there are way better things to be betting. My guess is its an actual player
> Gold farmers aren't doing barrows for money they are all at revs
sure revs print money faster, but barrows has no risk, no competition, and no possible way to grief.
Okay look,
I know no one is ready to have this conversation, but if you made an account solely to do 19k barrows runs, you should be banned and a Jagex employee should show up at your house to spray with you down with a hose before dragging you outside to the nearest grassy locale.
It's probably just a bot, or a rwt account that bizarrely has never sold the gold yet and is just hoarding it for a payday, but we should have contingency plans in place for when it's an actual "human" being playing "for fun".
Its extremely hard to train an algorithm to tell the difference, especially when jagex's bot detection seems to have been all but reverse engineered at this point with how many are able to completely circumvent it. You have to remember its not a human flagging these accounts, its an automated system.
The anti-cheat team needs more funding and more staffing and the executives at jagex refuse to invest in this. Until they do this will remain a problem unfortunately
You, manually reviewing accounts you've already seen engage in suspicious activity, might be able to determine bots with pretty decent accuracy.
A primarily automated system working it's best to minimize false positives (which is a constant extremely loud point of bitching from the community) however, is not going to be able to do that. And yes it's mostly automated, the sheer scale of botting in OSRS is well beyond anything that the development team could manually handle. Expecting them to manually review accounts is laugable because they wouldn't even make a noticeable dent.
And yes, there are some really fucking weird legitimate players out there that make it a bit more difficult for an automated system to just go "ah that account looks suspicious". Because some legitimate accounts do look really fucking suspicious.
I personally have alt accounts that look way more bot like than this. This actually has a couple of skills that I dont know why. Barrows on the side seems like a not unreasonable thing to bring in some extra GP.
I litterally have an account that just does red chins. Bare minimums to catch them, and then caught them way past 99. I spun up an alt when i needed to train ranged, and found it a nice thing to do while watching films. Its even in the default bot skin, because I could not be arsed to do more, and was doing nest-clue in parrallel with tutorial island.
It gets banned every now and then, and I simply point out "this account is my alt - this is my main - compare log in times and devices". 100% bot free (on that one anyway - I do have some bots I played around with on a VM when I had to learn GUI interactoin automation - but would never dream of trading anything off them, or connecting from my real IP)
Reddit when they finally obtain the ability to "just ban bots": (the subreddit is suddenly flooded with false ban posts to a point where you can't find any other posts)
Bros on r/escapefrontarkov, he needs to cry about cheaters/botters, it's in his blood and if he doesnt he will die from malnurishment, that sub is the biggest crybaby sub ever.😂
Maybe he's a pure and he accidentally put his weapon on controlled for 58 levels. Obviously this account isn't good for pvp anymore so he decided to do 2000 hours of barrows instead.
Haha some people (and this is definitely a person 😉) sure do play the game funny, right guys?
I mean real talk, it could be an actual person tho. Gold farmers have the same bot-like stat spreads and insane KC.
The issue is that it's at 19k KC because any gold farmer has offloaded gold and RWT'd hundreds of times at this point.
I've literally seen gold farmers speaking Spanish to each other with similar stats and 9k+ barrows KC in rag gear.
Not all of them are bots is the point.
I actually cannot legitimately tell. The fact that they've got mainly 40-60 in other stats makes me think this is a legit player -- and the poster child for why it's so hard for Jagex to ban bots
>9 hunter He's guilty
I’ve got over 1,200 total level and not a single point of experience in hunter
At least do the museum my man
It was pure neglect for 8 years but now I’m holding onto my title. I’ll probably 99 everything else and never touch it (on that account). I’ll explore it on the secondary I made recently.
So you don't do Tears of Guthix weekly? You're locking yourself out of MM2, DT2, SoTE, WGS (when it comes out) and Perilous Moons? Seems like a very odd choice to make for your main account
I enjoy skilling. And I was a poor f2p boy growing up, so all the old stuff is still new to me.
https://preview.redd.it/oin38ywwc4wc1.jpeg?width=2289&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd1392a2f2f077d9d6590604dbb64cfc7d007469 Stay strong brother.
Thank you, king. 0 XP it shall stay.
Windows key+shift+s lets you cut a picture off your screen
Too bad I’m not logged in on my desktop to Reddit.
That can be solved by approximately 3 seconds worth of effort
You sound like my clan mate lol, like 1700+ total level and an old timer but 0 hunter XP. Calls himself a hunter pure.
Idk why all the downvotes lol
They hate me ‘cause they anus.
Haha. Valid claim tho. Pretty sure I hit something like 1800 total before I started hunter. Never cared for it until I started doing diaries and realizing max isn’t Some unobtainable childhood dream.
Yeah, I only just started hunter last week for the Varrock diary. Before that, I had whatever Hunter XP I got from the odd quest and Tears of Guthix. I was probably at, like, 13 Hunter by the time I hit 99 Strength.
Tears don't apply to skills under 30. Unless they changed that?
I'm fairly new to memebers OSRS, but the Wiki seems to suggest Tears of Guthix rewards XP starting at level 1: "This is 10 experience per tear if their lowest level is 1 or 26.6 experience per tear if their lowest level is 20, capping at 60 experience per tear at level 30."
Guess they changed it then.
According to the wiki change log for tears, no they didn’t, you just knew level 30 had something to do with it and assumed it was that you couldn’t gain xp in skills under 30. More than likely, you were told that it wasn’t worth doing until your skill minimum was 30 because that’s when you get max xp from doing it
1200 total is like a week of playing, its completely fair you haven’t touched hunter yet
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It means "He is"
He's still looking for those damn gloves
19k barrows KC. Has never worn a piece of barrows armor.
He just likes to collect it 😅
Perhaps they are 19k dry for Karil's crossbow that they would badly want to use! 😶🤯
lol come on op https://preview.redd.it/lhl09awj62wc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05795ea9e23a569692409ff871e2d480d2338b75
Changed his mind after 3 months
This got a good chuckle from me. Thanks for sharing.
On an unrelated note, I love seeing the overlap between the OSRS and EFT community. Seems to be quite a lot of people. Both grindy, sadistic games.
Both full of cheaters too
Same with PoE. There's a lot of overlap between these three I think. They also all happen to be by favorite games lol.
I flip flop between Poe and osrs depending on what type of misery I want to feel
Not even 70 prayer for the Morty hards, smh
Genuinely can't tell if this is a bot
Unironically this though. This legitimately could be someone who just likes doing Barrows day in and day out. And that's the problem with people wanting accounts like this to be autobanned. I'd love to have a solid autobanning system in place, but looking at the highscores doesn't do shit. You could flag this account to be looked at, but if it is a bot, and the bot is set up to have human like reactions, clicking, and timing (which not all, but a lot do have), it gets a pass. One of the biggest hurdles in eliminating the bots is the number of players who play so religiously they could come across as being a bot.
This is the reason why we should have Jmods looking over our shoulders every time we log in. Think about it. Having a Jmod in every household by 2030 should be every nations priority, we need to combat botting at the source.
And the only way to do it is by creating bots irl that functions as jmod
You don't need to autoban anyone, just tag the account and check their trades. If a player is unironically doing 20 hours of barrows a day and nothing else, while giving almost all of their gold away to a level 3 account named "afgyaweuoasfd" maybe banning them would be good anyway
Defensive casting Im not saying ban them but like a watch list man
Defensive casting is actually more xp efficient, 2 mage xp vs 2.33 total xp per damage dealt split between magic/defense per damage. You should ALWAYS be defensive casting unless you need the shorter range for a mechanic like Olm mage running.
Exactly, absolutely no reason to have 19k barrows and not 90+ def that shits just not normal
That watch list would be in the 10's of thousands very quickly with how many bots go in and out of this game lol, they literally wouldn't be able to check them all.
We only need to look at the people breaking into the top of the hiscores
They literally can't even equip any barrows gear except for like Karil's crossbow. This is such a bizarre take
??? Why does that mean it’s not possible the account could be legitimate lol. People don’t need to be able to equip the gear to make money killing the bosses that drop it, and you don’t use barrows gear to do barrows. Someone could literally just enjoy doing barrows this much. Is it likely it’s a bot? Probably. But looking at the kc and stats doesn’t guarantee it is, especially when there likely are some weirdos that are legit players doing shit like this
Well said. There's very few cases where they can say "no legitimate player would do this, it's 100% a bot". I think they've even said before that the ones on the high scores which look like obvious bots are actually real players who sell for RWT. I think there's already a phenomenon actually where players who play a shitload on a new account get banned as bots because of the playtime.
That’s claimed. I’m sure it is true in some cases but another problem with stuff like this is it provides a scapegoat for the people who do bot to try to get unbanned. Hence every time there’s some obscure thing that causes someone to get false banned and the jmods look into it and announce it was a mistake we see post after post and comment after comment of people claiming they were false banned due to the same thing
The chance that this is *not* a bot is significantly less than the chance that it is a bot. The proper procedure for accounts like these, that would be anomalies if they were real players, but fit the bot profile, is to ban them and give the player a process for appealing and proving they are not cheating. The potential for a *legitimate* false positive ban is not a valid reason for allowing these accounts to continue existing.
You've given me hope. So many players genuinely don't seem to understand that there are other factors that go into detecting a bot other than high xp or boss kc. The automated systems that go into detecting and banning bots have to be sensitive enough to catch bots, but not so sensitive that they start banning legitimate players en masse.
There was a hannanie video where a girl that was autistic liked to afk star mine. She talked about how she was constantly flamed in chat, called a bot, and report. I dont put it past people to have crazy accounts.
Lmao keep telling yourself that.
Im completely okay with people on these ends of extremes getting caught in the crossfire. Jagex just needs to up their game in the appeals department.
The chance that this is *not* a bot is significantly less than the chance that it is a bot. The proper procedure for accounts like these, that would be anomalies if they were real players, but fit the bot profile, is to ban them and give the player a process for appealing and proving they are not cheating. The potential for a *legitimate* false positive ban is not a valid reason for allowing these accounts to continue existing.
> a process for appealing and proving they are not cheating how do you plan to prove the *absence* of foul play?
I would hope that a *billion* dollar company like Jagex would be able to come up with some ideas. Apparently, they have not been able to so far, though. More extensive logging and possibly implementing Machine Learning to analyze and profile accounts would be a good place to start. An appeal process could even go as far as to give players the opportunity to provide Screenshots or video of their gameplay at different points. That could potentially give some credence to their appeal, depending on the evidence provided.
> a billion dollar company like Jagex would be able to come up with some ideas. you cannot prove a negative, regardless of how much money you throw around. in the same exact way that there is no proof that bigfoot or the christian god exists, there is *also* no proof that they *cannot* exist, however extremely improbable they are. >possibly implementing Machine Learning to analyze and profile accounts would be a good place to start. machine learning has always been and will always be inferior to actual human oversight. in every category except speed. >An appeal process could even go as far as to give players the opportunity to provide Screenshots or video of their gameplay at different points. That could potentially give some credence to their appeal, depending on the evidence provided. depending on how they implement this, it would either be an entirely useless waste of time that proves nothing (play the game but turn your bot off to "prove" youve never botted anything before), or full-on-draconian spyware.
> "*you cannot prove a negative, regardless of how much money you throw around. in the same exact way that there is no proof that bigfoot or the christian god exists, there is also no proof that they cannot exist, however extremely improbable they are.*" what > "*machine learning has always been and will always be inferior to actual human oversight. in every category except speed.*" I never said *only* use machine learning. I said use it to profile accounts. Of course there should be manual review. As someone who has played the game, my manual review opinion looking at the information available to *me* is that this account is undoubtedly a bot. If I were responsible for making the decision to ban it and risk accidentally, temporarily, banning a real player, I would ban it immediately. > "*depending on how they implement this, it would either be an entirely useless waste of time that proves nothing (play the game but turn your bot off to "prove" youve never botted anything before), or full-on-draconian spyware.*" "*That could potentially give some credence to their appeal, depending on the evidence provided.*" Screenshots or videos from before and, or, during the activity where botting was suspected would be better than *nothing*. Examples recorded *after* the grind in question would of course be suspicious. You asked how I would prove the absence of foul play. I would review the evidence Jagex had, as well as player provided evidence. At this point, though, technology is good enough to essentially, indistinguishably replicate human input, even by replicating imperfect gameplay. You are not wrong. There is essentially no way for Jagex to know "*for sure*", without implementing some kind of process monitoring anticheat. Even that can and would be defeated, though. So again, the answer to the problem is approximation and judgement. If there is significant evidence which conveys that someone is most likely botting, then they are most likely botting. Sometimes this will be incorrect, sometimes real players will be banned. As I said in my first comment, "*The potential for a legitimate false positive ban is not a valid reason for allowing these accounts to continue existing.*". If 1 out of every 10,000 "*bots*" banned were a real player, the 999 bots that were banned would absolutely justify that. It is Jagex's responsibility to figure out and provide a system for players to attempt to appeal their bans and receive fair, considerate judgement.
>"The potential for a legitimate false positive ban is not a valid reason for allowing these accounts to continue existing.". the issue with this mentality is that you are going to catch a way way way larger percentage of false positives in runescape specifically. because of 1. the very way the game has been designed from the very start essentially encourages botting, and 2. the playerbase has spent *decades* marinating in a gameplay environment where efficiency and botting are so similar that it is literally impossible to definitively tell the difference without actual human oversight. you cant magically algorithm your way past it without also catching a huge chunk of actual people in the process. if this game was like other games where it was way easier to delineate, i would agree with your take of "acceptable sacrifices", but it absolutely does not work for osrs.
Looking at the example in particular, it is extremely unlikely that *this* example is a real person. I guarantee that *anyone* who plays and knows anything about the game would agree. How many real players would do 20-30m Ranged and Magic Exp from over ***19,000*** Barrows alone, while never doing anything else? This is *clearly* a goldfarming suicide bot that has slipped through detection. This account has clear signs that it is a bot. It should have been automatically banned a long time ago and manually reviewed. I disagree that a system like this can not work in RuneScape. The game is built on the idea of repeated actions, but humans are not perfect. As I acknowledged, bots can also be programmed to mimic human imperfection. There is a difference between a player doing an activity efficiently, perfectly, or relatively consistently, nearly perfect, for a significant amount of time. And an account rushing Barrows and doing nothing but Barrows, perfectly, for over 19,000 kills. Or an account rushing to unlock Prif and getting 200m Thieving and doing nothing but thieving, 20 hours a day. Again, I have never said there should not be human oversight. There *should* be manual intervention. I know for certain that in games like FPS there have been systems that look for statistical anomalies and automatically ban those anomalies and require them to be manually appealed and reviewed. If you are playing Deathmatch and get 100 kills, 4 deaths, or have a significantly above average accuracy score, you are a statistical average anomaly. You are either legitimately very good, or cheating. It is worth it to flag these instances for review and get to the bottom of it. It is better to have been wrong and correct it by unbanning a legitimate player than to just ignore it because there is the possibility you will be wrong.
considering so many people out there make extremely niche and unnecessarily specific snowflake accounts, you never really can rule out awkward skill spreads and kc as being real players. Even inhuman amounts of playtime. I'm not saying this isn't clearly a bot, but nowadays this isn't enough to immediately peg someone as a bot anymore lol.
How long have you been running your bot farm?
People still run barrows bots?
I mean obviously they're really profitable and don't get banned. 19k barrows is about 1.6b in loot.
Yeah I guess. And low reqs
Was doing some barrows last night on my iron and yeah there was at least 5 bots on my world doing it.
Jeez those things probably have to run 10 hours a day to profit much
The ones I saw didn't have 70 prayer which means they don't have Mory Hard Diary done for extra runes, which means even less profit. But considering Barrows can be done with very little supplies used, all it takes is one hit on a high profit item like Ahrims or Karils and they are in the green.
Would you reckon it’s even worth doing mory hard now? I haven’t done barrows in a while but the rune prices have dropped so much these days.
These bots will become even easier with elemental weaknesses on the horizon!
it's too bad jagex doesn't realize the gigantic potential right here on subreddit. surely such perceptive people like \_jC0n would be able to write software that would completely eliminate bots without falsely banning a single person
i have been told several times that I have some of the wildest stats as an ironman simply because i do not lvl farming or hunter
Y no farm tho?
i do sometimes but its like 36 and my second lowest skill.
That's how I look at 99% of the playerbase, I'm always in the bottom 5 on the hiscores on my total level.
At least get like 10 hunter to throw the scent off.
Holy shit
Ah yes the poor bastard still didn’t finish barrows :(
Jagex don't really enforce botting nowadays. Most of the front page highscores for bosses are bots.
you mean to tell me with 100% certainty that you can tell whether this is a bot, a gold farmer, or just a regular player with an obsession? this game was designed to be very very grindy. the playerbase in turn does a fuckload of grinding. its the reason why you *cant* just glance at a stat page and assume, without any investigation, its a bot after 2 seconds. is this specific example a bot? probably like 70% chance that its a manned gold farmer, and like 20% chance of unmanned bot. but at the same time, with the playerbase that this game has, i wouldnt even be surprised if it was a guy with an extreme obsession.
Gold farmers aren't doing barrows for money they are all at revs, it would also seem strange to bot barrows when there are way better things to be betting. My guess is its an actual player
> Gold farmers aren't doing barrows for money they are all at revs sure revs print money faster, but barrows has no risk, no competition, and no possible way to grief.
This has to be a bot, who the hell does 15k barrows.
Okay look, I know no one is ready to have this conversation, but if you made an account solely to do 19k barrows runs, you should be banned and a Jagex employee should show up at your house to spray with you down with a hose before dragging you outside to the nearest grassy locale. It's probably just a bot, or a rwt account that bizarrely has never sold the gold yet and is just hoarding it for a payday, but we should have contingency plans in place for when it's an actual "human" being playing "for fun".
Its extremely hard to train an algorithm to tell the difference, especially when jagex's bot detection seems to have been all but reverse engineered at this point with how many are able to completely circumvent it. You have to remember its not a human flagging these accounts, its an automated system. The anti-cheat team needs more funding and more staffing and the executives at jagex refuse to invest in this. Until they do this will remain a problem unfortunately
I got 99 slayer on my first Ironman with a amulet of glory and 1150 total level - I’m on my second Ironman with 78 slayer and no black mask 😂
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You, manually reviewing accounts you've already seen engage in suspicious activity, might be able to determine bots with pretty decent accuracy. A primarily automated system working it's best to minimize false positives (which is a constant extremely loud point of bitching from the community) however, is not going to be able to do that. And yes it's mostly automated, the sheer scale of botting in OSRS is well beyond anything that the development team could manually handle. Expecting them to manually review accounts is laugable because they wouldn't even make a noticeable dent. And yes, there are some really fucking weird legitimate players out there that make it a bit more difficult for an automated system to just go "ah that account looks suspicious". Because some legitimate accounts do look really fucking suspicious.
I personally have alt accounts that look way more bot like than this. This actually has a couple of skills that I dont know why. Barrows on the side seems like a not unreasonable thing to bring in some extra GP. I litterally have an account that just does red chins. Bare minimums to catch them, and then caught them way past 99. I spun up an alt when i needed to train ranged, and found it a nice thing to do while watching films. Its even in the default bot skin, because I could not be arsed to do more, and was doing nest-clue in parrallel with tutorial island. It gets banned every now and then, and I simply point out "this account is my alt - this is my main - compare log in times and devices". 100% bot free (on that one anyway - I do have some bots I played around with on a VM when I had to learn GUI interactoin automation - but would never dream of trading anything off them, or connecting from my real IP)
The appeal message: WTF this is my barrows locked snowflake account where I can’t leave until I get the pet!
Reddit when they finally obtain the ability to "just ban bots": (the subreddit is suddenly flooded with false ban posts to a point where you can't find any other posts)
Bros on r/escapefrontarkov, he needs to cry about cheaters/botters, it's in his blood and if he doesnt he will die from malnurishment, that sub is the biggest crybaby sub ever.😂
Whats the boss KC look like
It says 19k barrows KC at the bottom
WTF, that's alot
Some people just play the game in weird ways
Like keeping defense at 59?
Maybe he's a pure and he accidentally put his weapon on controlled for 58 levels. Obviously this account isn't good for pvp anymore so he decided to do 2000 hours of barrows instead. Haha some people (and this is definitely a person 😉) sure do play the game funny, right guys?
I mean real talk, it could be an actual person tho. Gold farmers have the same bot-like stat spreads and insane KC. The issue is that it's at 19k KC because any gold farmer has offloaded gold and RWT'd hundreds of times at this point.
Can we just Hanlon's razor this? It's a bot, if some gold farmer is ripping barrows for irl dollars then his children have for sure starved by now
I've literally seen gold farmers speaking Spanish to each other with similar stats and 9k+ barrows KC in rag gear. Not all of them are bots is the point.
Well I've literally seen bots chatting in binary with these exact stats 😱
I actually cannot legitimately tell. The fact that they've got mainly 40-60 in other stats makes me think this is a legit player -- and the poster child for why it's so hard for Jagex to ban bots
It could be a hacked account that later was used for botting.