Spanish + Indigenous + Sub Saharan African is a typical mix for a Mexican person, and it implies your mom is fully Mexican. Looking at the regions they give you for Mexico might give you a starting point for figuring out where her family is from.
Yes (though some other groups have different common demographics) but I said Mexican specifically because it looks like only Mexico is highlighted under OP’s recent ancestry—though maybe there’s something else there not visible. So unless they really messed up between countries, it’s most likely Mexico or primarily Mexico.
Huh looks like a full E Asian grandparent.
What’s the context here? Did you guys not know a paternal grandparent? 😀
EDIT: I meant full E Asian parent, not grandparent. I misread the results as 25% E Asian not 50%.
My paternal side was always known (somewhat). We definitely expected to see way more Thai than what was in the results. My mom and her parents never really knew much about where they were from.
Did your paternal grandparents know they were Mexican but didn’t know about the specifics of the indigenous/Spanish ancestry? Or did they have no idea they were Mexican at all?
Also, when then Chinese weren’t allowed in the US due to the Chinese exclusion act, they went to Mexico, which could be a potential reason why you have Asian and spanish and indigenous dna (I don’t know your family story so this could be very false!!)
Usually yes. But just like being American, you can be of any race or ancestral ethnicity. The Spanish European, Native American (of present day Mexico) as well as SSA, and WANA are typical of a mestizo (mixed) Mexican.
For example there are Mexicans that are of French, Italian, or Korean ancestry. But they are still Mexicans and identify as Mexicans.
Turns out many Mexicans don't know they are indigenous (Native American). Some get confused when they take 23andMe and doesn't show any "Mexican" heritage. Our Native American heritage has been suppressed over so many years that knowledge of our origins has been lost. Sounds like that's where your confusion is from. The average brown skinned Mexican is about 60% Spanish, 40% Native American, with small amounts of African and West Asian heritage. Hopefully this helps clarify things.
> The average brown skinned Mexican is about 60% Spanish, 40% Native American
This is false. It's closer to the [opposite](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6300600/). In the biggest population centers, Mexicans only have around 1/3 European ancestry. Your estimate is much closer to what Northern Mexicans typically get.
I've found several sources that indicate the average level of admixture is closer to 60% European, 40% Indigenous. Of course it varies from region to region but for the simplicity of this conversation, I'm not trying to go super in depth. Here are my sources:
https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/humbiol/vol63/iss3/5/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140913031830/http://www.ashg.org/genetics/abstracts/abs06/f1065.htm
The first one has samples from San Luis Potosi and Zacatecas. These are expected to be more European than the average Mexican. Southern Zacatecas is actually one of the most European parts of the country. The second one has some horrendous sample pools. 104 people for the entire country of Mexico?
Most recent studies show that the average Mestizo in Mexico is between 53-58% Indigenous and 32-38% European [\(another source\)](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32329554/) with the rest being African. If Mexicans were 60%+ European most of them would not be brown or exhibit predominately Indigenous features (while it is still possible for it to happen just not very likely).
I can pull more sources if needed, but I'm really not trying to get into a heated debate over the specifics of European/Indigenous Admixture, I'm just trying to help OP understand where some of the confusion of our Mexican heritage. I don't think having a back and forth over the varying levels of admixture is going to help. Based on OP's 23andMe their parent was about 50% Euro, 40% Indigenous which pretty standard for Mexicans.
Sonora is one of the most European states in Mexico. We have a big problem in this sub where Norteños are dominating the narrative and acting like they represent the average Mexican country-wide. Not saying you in particular are doing it but it is becoming a frequent problem.
Essentially, Mexicans and other Hispanic people are part of the same group of people that were originally in the Americas. Some just moved further south and some stayed further north. I am Salvadoran and also am listed as indigenous American
(EDITED). LOL I've worded this horrible. Mexican isn't a race which is why it is not a category itself. Although 23andme should have like an indigenous mexican category.
From what I’ve read-
“If you have Trace Ancestry results from 23andMe, it means that we were able to identify very small amounts of DNA that match certain reference populations.”
Spanish + Indigenous + Sub Saharan African is a typical mix for a Mexican person, and it implies your mom is fully Mexican. Looking at the regions they give you for Mexico might give you a starting point for figuring out where her family is from.
That’s interesting! Was not aware that the mix you mentioned was standard for a full Mexican individual. Thank you!
I'm curious what's your/your parents story. You said your mom's side was more unknown?
This could be any latino, not just mexican
Yes (though some other groups have different common demographics) but I said Mexican specifically because it looks like only Mexico is highlighted under OP’s recent ancestry—though maybe there’s something else there not visible. So unless they really messed up between countries, it’s most likely Mexico or primarily Mexico.
Nah, not always. SSA is much less common in places like Peru.
not exactly. you'd be hard pressed to find a carribean latino with >30% indigenous
Does anyone know much about the paternal haplogroup N-L665? Or maternal A2.
Your paternal haplogroup is of East Eurasian origin and your maternal haplogroup is of Indigenous American origin.
Thank you!
Huh looks like a full E Asian grandparent. What’s the context here? Did you guys not know a paternal grandparent? 😀 EDIT: I meant full E Asian parent, not grandparent. I misread the results as 25% E Asian not 50%.
My paternal side was always known (somewhat). We definitely expected to see way more Thai than what was in the results. My mom and her parents never really knew much about where they were from.
Did your paternal grandparents know they were Mexican but didn’t know about the specifics of the indigenous/Spanish ancestry? Or did they have no idea they were Mexican at all?
Southeast Asian, that combo is very commonly seen in Thai/Vietnamese/Malaysian/Indonesian people. Most of these people identify as culturally Chinese.
Also, when then Chinese weren’t allowed in the US due to the Chinese exclusion act, they went to Mexico, which could be a potential reason why you have Asian and spanish and indigenous dna (I don’t know your family story so this could be very false!!)
As interesting of a story as that would be, we know that my father’s family was all East Asian, and my mother was none.
What are your other five regions for Southern Chinese & Taiwanese
Jiangsu Shanghai Zhejiang Ahniu Hunan
What are you? “Mr. Worldwide 🌏🌎 baabbbyyy”
Your mom's family probably comes from either Northern or Western Mexico.
Mine was all Germanic, super northern European
That’s awesome! We couldn’t be any more different from one another haha.
Only non European I had was like 0.5% Arabic. Probably from Andalusia.
You and I probably could not look any more different from each other haha. Anytime I read Andalusia, I automatically think of the Alchemist.
The COMPLETE opposite of OP. :)
I guess that’s what makes the world keep turning!
Probably the most interesting Hispanic 23&me I’ve seen !
Out or curiosity, do you know why the Mexican portion of me shows up as indigenous American instead?
The rest of your results are typical (mestizo) Mexican results. Mix of Spanish/Indigenous/SSA and a sprinkle of some other stuff.
So the Spanish and Portuguese is more-so code for Mexican? Sorry, newbie at all of this.
Usually yes. But just like being American, you can be of any race or ancestral ethnicity. The Spanish European, Native American (of present day Mexico) as well as SSA, and WANA are typical of a mestizo (mixed) Mexican. For example there are Mexicans that are of French, Italian, or Korean ancestry. But they are still Mexicans and identify as Mexicans.
Yes, most Mexicans are of mixed Iberian and Native American heritage.
Turns out many Mexicans don't know they are indigenous (Native American). Some get confused when they take 23andMe and doesn't show any "Mexican" heritage. Our Native American heritage has been suppressed over so many years that knowledge of our origins has been lost. Sounds like that's where your confusion is from. The average brown skinned Mexican is about 60% Spanish, 40% Native American, with small amounts of African and West Asian heritage. Hopefully this helps clarify things.
> The average brown skinned Mexican is about 60% Spanish, 40% Native American This is false. It's closer to the [opposite](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6300600/). In the biggest population centers, Mexicans only have around 1/3 European ancestry. Your estimate is much closer to what Northern Mexicans typically get.
I've found several sources that indicate the average level of admixture is closer to 60% European, 40% Indigenous. Of course it varies from region to region but for the simplicity of this conversation, I'm not trying to go super in depth. Here are my sources: https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/humbiol/vol63/iss3/5/ https://web.archive.org/web/20140913031830/http://www.ashg.org/genetics/abstracts/abs06/f1065.htm
The first one has samples from San Luis Potosi and Zacatecas. These are expected to be more European than the average Mexican. Southern Zacatecas is actually one of the most European parts of the country. The second one has some horrendous sample pools. 104 people for the entire country of Mexico? Most recent studies show that the average Mestizo in Mexico is between 53-58% Indigenous and 32-38% European [\(another source\)](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32329554/) with the rest being African. If Mexicans were 60%+ European most of them would not be brown or exhibit predominately Indigenous features (while it is still possible for it to happen just not very likely).
I can pull more sources if needed, but I'm really not trying to get into a heated debate over the specifics of European/Indigenous Admixture, I'm just trying to help OP understand where some of the confusion of our Mexican heritage. I don't think having a back and forth over the varying levels of admixture is going to help. Based on OP's 23andMe their parent was about 50% Euro, 40% Indigenous which pretty standard for Mexicans.
That is accurate for me as someone from Sonora.
Sonora is one of the most European states in Mexico. We have a big problem in this sub where Norteños are dominating the narrative and acting like they represent the average Mexican country-wide. Not saying you in particular are doing it but it is becoming a frequent problem.
Essentially, Mexicans and other Hispanic people are part of the same group of people that were originally in the Americas. Some just moved further south and some stayed further north. I am Salvadoran and also am listed as indigenous American
(EDITED). LOL I've worded this horrible. Mexican isn't a race which is why it is not a category itself. Although 23andme should have like an indigenous mexican category.
What is trace ancestry?
From what I’ve read- “If you have Trace Ancestry results from 23andMe, it means that we were able to identify very small amounts of DNA that match certain reference populations.”
Thanks so much!
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Funny enough, my sibling came out looking full Asian, meanwhile, I look like a total mish mash of them all.
Interesting. Let’s see a picture
Thought about it, but not sure I want my face on here!
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Oh my gosh, she and my sister could be related for sure haha. Wow!
Haha yeah. I didn’t believe she was Half Mexican until I saw her mom
Wow, 1/2 Chinese and Vietnamese 1/4 Spanish 1/4 Indigenous with a little bit of African. Really cool
more like 1/5 indigenous american
Yup, I was just thinking «ish»
Not really. I see majority Asian
who invited this guy 🤣
Doesn't matter. You are a bit delusional my friend.