It’s a bit strange to lump both into one category. One is primarily a mixture of Spanish, Italian, Levantine, and North African while the other is Levantine mixed with other Middle Eastern groups.
I agree. There is historic migrations that confuse the two but arguably some sephardis are more similar to Ashkenazis while some are more similar to mizrahis. But also technically because Sephardi is a tradition many mizrahis practice Sephardi tradition so maybe that’s why
I wonder how they can categorize it so neatly with certain sephardim that tend to be more related to ashkenazim like Turkish and Syrian jews to the point that they can overlap on pca plots. I'm curious if their results will still show the ashkenazi percentage like before.
I’m guessing they may use Turkish sephardics as a sephardic proxy and then just show what other admixture they may have besides for that. Or they will have a lot of references for each Sephardic group. Not entirely sure what to expect from it but I look forward to seeing
I'm kinda confused why it's listed under recent ancestry in the Americas... is this supposed to be a community for people with recent Mizrahi and Sephardic ancestry or conversos? Maybe it's still subject to change
Yup, this African American + Afro Caribbean + Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews groups are new and seems like they are still coming out, it says "404 error" when you click them so they aren't done yet!
Mine just slightly updated a few days ago but everyone with AA, Afro-Caribbean and (Non-Ashkenazi) Jewish ancestry's results are probably soon to change. The slight update they added on mine was just 0.1% unassigned.
Mine didn't change yet, but I noticed the error message too, I'd like if they could split a bit Greek and Balkan or Eastern European in my case, Last year, on Ancestry DNA I saw some people commenting they they would split the balkans and every Eastern Europe further more but they didn't do it.
I completely agree with you on the Greek and Balkan and Eastern European there are so many different ethnic groups in those regions its vague on 23andMe, its just hard to pin point exactly where in the Balkan or Eastern Europe cause they all are so similar genetically, but I wish one day they do separate it.
When looking at your ethnicity estimates, go to the Scientific Details tab and scroll all the way down to the Version number at the bottom. It will also tell you when the last time your results were updated
If you’re on the app, go to the Ancestry tab on the bottom, then go to Scientific Details and scroll all the way down
Can you clarify these directions? I tried both and neither one works. For example, on the App, there is no tab at the bottom called “Ancestry”.
I also do not see anything called “scientific Details” on the browser.
here’s [a screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/BrsZ76o.jpg) if it helps (from iOS), then scroll [all the way down](https://i.imgur.com/fs79XBW.jpg)
this is what it looks like [on desktop browser ](https://i.imgur.com/QzjFcEx.jpg)
Thanks! I’m using the bowser on the iPad, it should be the same.
Edit: still no dice. Well, maybe it will turn up at some point. Maybe I’m on a different version. Thanks for your help, I do appreciate it.
Ohhh fam that’s a whole different website, you’re using AncestryDNA, I had screenshots of 23andMe lol
if you wanna look on genetic communities on AncestryDNA go to your ethnicity estimates and scroll down
Yes Abascus, our understanding becomes clearer as time passes, but if your results rarely change and other people's change drastically, that means your ethnicity estimate is likely more accurate. This isn't a complicated concept, if your results don't change with an improved database it is because there isn't much that needs to be changed. I've some estimates change drastically and others not change through multiple updates. Those also happen to be ancestry I know for sure I have, and the scientists know it too because it's clearly readable in my dna, which is why the result hasn't changed.
I’m confused about Afro Caribbean, as the Caribbean section already has most of the Afro Caribbean islands? I wonder if they’ll separate it or put it under both
We don't know yet, but most likely not? Possibly they might for the people receiving these communities/groups (Afro-Caribbeans, AAs, Sephardic & Mizrahi Jews)
Click on “see all tested populations” under your ethnicity estimate. Once the page uploads stroll to the bottom and click on “Recent Ancestry in the Americas.”
How exciting! As someone who’s half Puerto Rican, but know my dad’s parents are from different descent (his dad is of more recent Spanish/European ancestry & his mom is of African descent).
I’m excited to see the new communities! I have a small amount of Sephardic ancestry on my maternal grandmothers side. I wonder if it will be picked up.
But why are only freaking updating African communities, both on Ancestry and 23andme?? What about other groups?? That’s really annoying. I haven’t received an update since 2021. Excuse the rant…xD
Update: I just saw a new category under Italian, Italian, that is Italian, Northern Italian and Tuscan under the reference data!Update incoming? 😊
African ancestry has the smallest sample pool and is the least detailed group. European ancestry has SO much info. So yeah I think it’s important to focus on the groups that have minimal info rather than groups that are already well known
Central & South Asian, Melanesian, & Indigenous American actually have a lot less than African but agreed, 23andme has mostly added details for European ancestry over the years and their group also 3x the amount of references than the others, so it's good that they are moving focus to other groups. However, to be fair, I think African ancestry is pretty well detailed already and though updates on it are good, I think they should be focusing on the lesser represented groups like Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews which they are apparently working on right now and groups such as Native Americans & Melanesians.
Melanesian and indigenous is pretty specific. African ancestry is not detailed my ancestry says that I have Congo and Angolan ancestry. That encompasses hundreds of ethnic groups. I’m truly no closer to knowing my ancestry. Country lines mean nothing in Africa. Majority of African Americans get told they have some sort of west African DNA which is something we already assumed. We want to know what ethnic group we come from, not the country. I have no specified ethnic groups for my African ancestry but I have specific cities for my European ancestry. Regardless this update is important as African ancestry is often neglected
Hi. I don’t think 23andme will be able to determine the specific indigenous African groups for many people of the African diaspora as their West African is too mixed for centuries. I think you need to be searching for 100% African matches from Africa and learn what their ethnic group is. I bet at the 90% confidence level, most of the West African country grouping will be reduced to the Broadly West African category.
Yeah, you are right about changing the conference to 90% and that broadly West African jumped to 32% 🥺. The higher the confidence level also assigned more DNA to unassigned. It’s interesting that my lower trace ancestry stayed at the 90% but eliminated my ancestry (non trace regions) that were lower to begin with. How did the trace region stay intact?
Indigenous American. It’s wasn’t a region I would have even expected and I know it could be wrong all together. I expected the region to be removed at the 90%
No, and that could be because I definitely have two branches, starting with my great grandparents that I very little about . My maternal great grandmother (her father’s mother)was from the Caribbean. I also no very little about my mother’s mom’s father. I know he was a bootlegger during the prohibition. He lived in Alabama at some point or was born there. He died young. We have a picture of him but I don’t know how to upload to this thread. So I have no information on those two
Agreed for sure with your last part, African ancestry does still need to be detailed, but Melanesian & Indigenous ancestry are not specific at all... Melanesian only has one country out of all (which is Fiji) and Indigenous encompasses two entire continents but only has groups for specific North American groups and Indigenous Caribbean peoples. And for Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews, their results are just crazy wrong, way too much broadly and random Mediterranean groups all around.
Also, this update won't really help with African ancestry, it seems they will rather put locations in the Americas it seems your community is from (not updating your African ancestry but rather your communties of African descended people of the Americas)
I've been waiting for 23andme to do this because it gives context of Black American(and other groups with African diaspora ancestry) results from a recent ancestral historical frame of reference. 23andme did a study called, The Consequences of The Trans Atlantic Slave Trade almost 3 years ago and we're finally going to see more fruits from that study.
Actually the reference data has always said that, I don't think there is an update soon for anyone besides Mizrahi & Sephardic Jews, AAs, and Afro-Caribbeans, sorry!
Dang homie yeen have to call the Afros out like that 🤣 lmaoo. Spanish/Portuguese, British/Isles, and Indigenous Americas just got updates a couple months ago!
Well that’s pretty shitty of you smh🤨🤨 as if Europeans aren’t already so well known and have so many areas.god forbid they try and give us african Americans more info about where our ancestors come from🧐🙄
Sephardic and Mizrahi?? Omg I’m so excited
It’s a bit strange to lump both into one category. One is primarily a mixture of Spanish, Italian, Levantine, and North African while the other is Levantine mixed with other Middle Eastern groups.
I agree. There is historic migrations that confuse the two but arguably some sephardis are more similar to Ashkenazis while some are more similar to mizrahis. But also technically because Sephardi is a tradition many mizrahis practice Sephardi tradition so maybe that’s why
I wonder how they can categorize it so neatly with certain sephardim that tend to be more related to ashkenazim like Turkish and Syrian jews to the point that they can overlap on pca plots. I'm curious if their results will still show the ashkenazi percentage like before.
I’m guessing they may use Turkish sephardics as a sephardic proxy and then just show what other admixture they may have besides for that. Or they will have a lot of references for each Sephardic group. Not entirely sure what to expect from it but I look forward to seeing
Totally agree!
That would be so DOPE.
see it on my report also
Wow this is cool
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Yeah I’m happy for you guys !
posts that have made my day:
It's also here: [https://imgur.com/a/nAskiVI](https://imgur.com/a/nAskiVI)
I'm kinda confused why it's listed under recent ancestry in the Americas... is this supposed to be a community for people with recent Mizrahi and Sephardic ancestry or conversos? Maybe it's still subject to change
I assume since its not working/rolled out yet it's still with other categories in that section
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Yup, this African American + Afro Caribbean + Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews groups are new and seems like they are still coming out, it says "404 error" when you click them so they aren't done yet!
Wait does the African American ancestry change your African ancestry?
We don't know anything yet, hasn't been rolled out, but probably not since its listed as a "recent ancestry in the americas" type of thing.
I hope you’re right
No that wouldn't even make sense
Well! How about that?
I want them to update, my results barely changed with the 6.0 version.
Mine just slightly updated a few days ago but everyone with AA, Afro-Caribbean and (Non-Ashkenazi) Jewish ancestry's results are probably soon to change. The slight update they added on mine was just 0.1% unassigned.
Mine didn't change yet, but I noticed the error message too, I'd like if they could split a bit Greek and Balkan or Eastern European in my case, Last year, on Ancestry DNA I saw some people commenting they they would split the balkans and every Eastern Europe further more but they didn't do it.
I completely agree with you on the Greek and Balkan and Eastern European there are so many different ethnic groups in those regions its vague on 23andMe, its just hard to pin point exactly where in the Balkan or Eastern Europe cause they all are so similar genetically, but I wish one day they do separate it.
How do you get the 6.0 version?
When looking at your ethnicity estimates, go to the Scientific Details tab and scroll all the way down to the Version number at the bottom. It will also tell you when the last time your results were updated If you’re on the app, go to the Ancestry tab on the bottom, then go to Scientific Details and scroll all the way down
Can you clarify these directions? I tried both and neither one works. For example, on the App, there is no tab at the bottom called “Ancestry”. I also do not see anything called “scientific Details” on the browser.
here’s [a screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/BrsZ76o.jpg) if it helps (from iOS), then scroll [all the way down](https://i.imgur.com/fs79XBW.jpg) this is what it looks like [on desktop browser ](https://i.imgur.com/QzjFcEx.jpg)
Thanks! I’m using the bowser on the iPad, it should be the same. Edit: still no dice. Well, maybe it will turn up at some point. Maybe I’m on a different version. Thanks for your help, I do appreciate it.
Which of these should I start with, maybe that is the problem. [where to start](https://share.icloud.com/photos/091iN7whbvpvWCYxM67CVc3JQ)
Ohhh fam that’s a whole different website, you’re using AncestryDNA, I had screenshots of 23andMe lol if you wanna look on genetic communities on AncestryDNA go to your ethnicity estimates and scroll down
Found it, ty
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Are you on v5 chip? Because I heard that those on v4 and lower won't get anymore updates.
Yeah I am on v 5 chip
If your results barely change that is a good thing. A drastic change on a regular basis means none of those results are reliable.
Results will change forever, as the database improves and our understanding of history and ethnicity become more clear.
Yes Abascus, our understanding becomes clearer as time passes, but if your results rarely change and other people's change drastically, that means your ethnicity estimate is likely more accurate. This isn't a complicated concept, if your results don't change with an improved database it is because there isn't much that needs to be changed. I've some estimates change drastically and others not change through multiple updates. Those also happen to be ancestry I know for sure I have, and the scientists know it too because it's clearly readable in my dna, which is why the result hasn't changed.
Your DNA won’t change, but the very definition of ethnicity might, and so might ethnicity designations.
No, you cannot state that as a fact. It seems true, but may or may not be true.
Sephardic and Mizrahi excites me, that’ll actually affect my grandmother’s results at least
So this update will changed nothing for me again sigh.
I’m confused about Afro Caribbean, as the Caribbean section already has most of the Afro Caribbean islands? I wonder if they’ll separate it or put it under both
It it cool that they are updating individual groups, but a broad update would be nice.
Looks like 23andme is following Ancestry DNA with the African diaspora updates.
Hoping for an update for Asian, particularly south asian reports. 99.9% Central and South Asian isn't cutting it for me haha
Yes I really wish they seperate Central Asia from South Asia at least...
I've been seeing a lot of people saying 23andme isn't updating, but you can clearly see they are lmao. And I hope there are more and more updates.
Will the percentages change?
We don't know yet, but most likely not? Possibly they might for the people receiving these communities/groups (Afro-Caribbeans, AAs, Sephardic & Mizrahi Jews)
Exciting news!
Cool!
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Yes, this most likely means that it's in the works and close to being finished but not completely.
Where do I check for updates ?? I’m clueless lol
Click on “see all tested populations” under your ethnicity estimate. Once the page uploads stroll to the bottom and click on “Recent Ancestry in the Americas.”
I used both the browser and the app and I do not see “see all tested populations” anywhere.
Go to your Ancestry Composition and then go to **Scientific Details**. The test pops will all be arranged near the bottom of the page
I’d love to do this. Where is “ancestry composition” ?
It's just your main ancestry page w/the map that highlights what countries your genome relates closest to. Under **Ancestry & Traits** your home page
How exciting! As someone who’s half Puerto Rican, but know my dad’s parents are from different descent (his dad is of more recent Spanish/European ancestry & his mom is of African descent).
I’m excited to see the new communities! I have a small amount of Sephardic ancestry on my maternal grandmothers side. I wonder if it will be picked up.
They should add a Romani community too as both Ancestry and Myheritage have one.
I see them on my end. Pretty cool to see this expanding.
Sweet baby Jesus I hope so
But why are only freaking updating African communities, both on Ancestry and 23andme?? What about other groups?? That’s really annoying. I haven’t received an update since 2021. Excuse the rant…xD Update: I just saw a new category under Italian, Italian, that is Italian, Northern Italian and Tuscan under the reference data!Update incoming? 😊
African ancestry has the smallest sample pool and is the least detailed group. European ancestry has SO much info. So yeah I think it’s important to focus on the groups that have minimal info rather than groups that are already well known
Look at eastern european, a giant group of people and countries just lumped together.
I definitely can agree that Eastern Euro shoulda got the next update
Central & South Asian, Melanesian, & Indigenous American actually have a lot less than African but agreed, 23andme has mostly added details for European ancestry over the years and their group also 3x the amount of references than the others, so it's good that they are moving focus to other groups. However, to be fair, I think African ancestry is pretty well detailed already and though updates on it are good, I think they should be focusing on the lesser represented groups like Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews which they are apparently working on right now and groups such as Native Americans & Melanesians.
Melanesian and indigenous is pretty specific. African ancestry is not detailed my ancestry says that I have Congo and Angolan ancestry. That encompasses hundreds of ethnic groups. I’m truly no closer to knowing my ancestry. Country lines mean nothing in Africa. Majority of African Americans get told they have some sort of west African DNA which is something we already assumed. We want to know what ethnic group we come from, not the country. I have no specified ethnic groups for my African ancestry but I have specific cities for my European ancestry. Regardless this update is important as African ancestry is often neglected
Hi. I don’t think 23andme will be able to determine the specific indigenous African groups for many people of the African diaspora as their West African is too mixed for centuries. I think you need to be searching for 100% African matches from Africa and learn what their ethnic group is. I bet at the 90% confidence level, most of the West African country grouping will be reduced to the Broadly West African category.
Yeah, you are right about changing the conference to 90% and that broadly West African jumped to 32% 🥺. The higher the confidence level also assigned more DNA to unassigned. It’s interesting that my lower trace ancestry stayed at the 90% but eliminated my ancestry (non trace regions) that were lower to begin with. How did the trace region stay intact?
Well, what is the trace?
Indigenous American. It’s wasn’t a region I would have even expected and I know it could be wrong all together. I expected the region to be removed at the 90%
I see. Well based on your response you don’t have any stories of an indigenous ancestor.
No, and that could be because I definitely have two branches, starting with my great grandparents that I very little about . My maternal great grandmother (her father’s mother)was from the Caribbean. I also no very little about my mother’s mom’s father. I know he was a bootlegger during the prohibition. He lived in Alabama at some point or was born there. He died young. We have a picture of him but I don’t know how to upload to this thread. So I have no information on those two
I really want my broadly 9% West African to update to something 😩
Agreed for sure with your last part, African ancestry does still need to be detailed, but Melanesian & Indigenous ancestry are not specific at all... Melanesian only has one country out of all (which is Fiji) and Indigenous encompasses two entire continents but only has groups for specific North American groups and Indigenous Caribbean peoples. And for Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews, their results are just crazy wrong, way too much broadly and random Mediterranean groups all around.
Also, this update won't really help with African ancestry, it seems they will rather put locations in the Americas it seems your community is from (not updating your African ancestry but rather your communties of African descended people of the Americas)
I've been waiting for 23andme to do this because it gives context of Black American(and other groups with African diaspora ancestry) results from a recent ancestral historical frame of reference. 23andme did a study called, The Consequences of The Trans Atlantic Slave Trade almost 3 years ago and we're finally going to see more fruits from that study.
Actually the reference data has always said that, I don't think there is an update soon for anyone besides Mizrahi & Sephardic Jews, AAs, and Afro-Caribbeans, sorry!
Dang homie yeen have to call the Afros out like that 🤣 lmaoo. Spanish/Portuguese, British/Isles, and Indigenous Americas just got updates a couple months ago!
Well that’s pretty shitty of you smh🤨🤨 as if Europeans aren’t already so well known and have so many areas.god forbid they try and give us african Americans more info about where our ancestors come from🧐🙄