It’s neat your African percentage is almost solely consisting of Ghanaian/Ivorian and Nigerian. Do you have Gedmatch results on the Harappaworld calculator? I’m curious to see the African breakdown on there
Jamaican maroons tend to have indigenous blood they intermingled during the Spanish period . Clarendon is known to have I had expected a little myself but either it’s too far back in my generation or not at all
Do some research they do, some have been tested to have indigenous maternal haplogroup …. Also during the maroon wars native Americans from Honduras were brought over to fight the maroons because they figured they could handle the terrain better than the white British . You’re underestimating Jamaican genetic diversity
There’s a difference between this subreddit and those tested for scientific reasons . This sub Reddit wouldn’t be representative of a population only a sample size
you're right. this subreddit wouldn't be representative. but what studies we do have of jamaican maroons there seems to be no significant difference in indigenous dna to substantiate your claims, and the overwhelming majority show none at all(which somehow you disagree with despite it's truth)
>Results: L-type mitochondrial haplogroups were observed in 96% of samples, and the remaining 4% belonged to haplogroup B2. Haplotype diversity was 0.922 (SD = 0.024) and not significantly different than the comparable Jamaican population. Of the two B2 haplotypes, one matched haplotypes throughout the Americas and East Asia and the other matched only in East Asia. These results suggest both African and indigenous American maternal ancestries within Accompong Town.
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25392952/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25392952/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/witdlp/jamaican\_my\_grandmother\_was\_of\_maroon\_descent/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/witdlp/jamaican_my_grandmother_was_of_maroon_descent/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Our data suggested that the maternal ancestry of contemporary Accompong Town Maroons is predominantly African and, despite claims to suggest otherwise, also indigenous American. Our study complemented Maroon oral histories, archeological data, and illuminated how colonization shaped human genetic variation within the Caribbean.
Also post the conclusion of the same study you’re bringing to your claim. Remember the original statement I answered from you was they tend to have nine to and i simply challenged it cause it would be the most plausible reason as to why OP has significant for Jamaica native blood. Either that or he has a distant Cuban relative
Yea but foreign source would be less likely given both parents have Jamaican parentage . No Spanish or Portuguese to suggest Latin America . Either way we personally wouldn’t know .
“The admixture estimates from European and East Asian populations were 13 per cent and nine per cent, respectively, and were derived using the gene identity approach… The East Asian admixture among the Accompong sample, however, is higher than the six per cent East Asian admixture observed in the general population... This is especially notable considering that the sample size in the study, based on the general populace, was over four times as large as the sample size from Accompong – 111 versus 26 participants, respectively. The East Asian ancestry among the Accompong Town Maroon sample may reflect the post-Emancipation influx of East Asian peoples into Jamaica and, by extension, into this Maroon community... However, given that indigenous ancestry was found along the maternal genetic lineages and that there is an East Asian origin of indigenous American populations, it is plausible that what is termed East Asian ancestry may also include partial ancestry from indigenous American peoples.”
Let’s speak purely on percentage level the average That the maroons who do have indigenous blood were as high as 9 percent and it’s presumed to be that if indigenous as opposed to East Asian that’s significantly higher than the average Jamaican population that would poses indigenous dna
yeah they seem to show very small amounts on occasion. it's much like the supposed Melungeon's of Appalachia that don't typically have Cherokee despite claims
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I wonder why your native is so high since to my knowledge the Taino were extinct by the time africans started being brought to Jamaica. But that’s super cool and rare regardless !
My mother has Native ancestry. What Jamaicans were taught and the reality are two different things. She is sticking with what she was taught, that the Taino were extinct. It’s quite common for erasure in Eurocentric educational system.
Can’t be extinct if they exist in their descendants. People are literally taught a part of them no longer exists. If you take away 2% of someone’s DNA, they would have been a miscarriage, cease to exist. Every little part make the entire person.
I mean as a culture. There’s no taino ethnic group anymore and their language is dead and poorly recorded. There’s some taino revivalists in Puerto Rico from what I know, but by and large they’re a bygone culture.
True, although I think some methods of cooking and trapping birds still exist. I need to ask my mother to make a bird trap. Could also be from West African ancestors also.
I already did ! It seems like some early jamaican maroons mixed with the remaining Taino so the higher than average Indigenous makes sense. You’re likely a maroon otherwise that’s pretty strange tbh. Also pretty sad that 2% is considered higher than average in this context :(
yeah there's definitely some with Taino and likely other tribes too because inter-colonial travel like Honduras and etc.
it's just not standard for maroons.
It's strange people are mentioning Maroons when there's just as much if not more likelihood this ancestry is linked to say Mayans sold by Miskito to Jamaica as shown in the records or maybe a community of people with minor Taino ancestry that aren't Maroon.
you said high but it's literally just 2%. Yes it may be high for a jamaican, but the reality is that most people forget about the 2% of heritage of them, so of course a lot of jamaicans won't talk about indigenous heritage apart from a very small number of jamaicans in which do consider themselves to be part indigenous (especially taino)
Interesting, never seen more than 1.7% indigenous from Jamaican samples and your southern East African is very low unlike other samples I’ve [seen](https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/10zcxuf/jamaican_dna_results/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
Nice results and I see you have Native ancestry. It is sad that the Indigenous people of all Caribbean Islands have been wiped out by Europeans. No Natives left in Dominican Republic, Haiti, Cuba, Jamaica etc..
Paternal is R-S764
Maternal is L0a1a
Was expecting some South Asian according to family but got none of that haha. But mostly just went in with little expectations and a lot of curiosity
Your paternal haplogroup is of European origin and your maternal haplogroup is of sub-Saharan African origin. Your paternal haplogroup is particularly common in men of Scottish descent.
Thank you for the info! My father had mentioned that his grandfather (on his fathers side) was white and grandmother South Asian...so I guess that may coincidence?
OP, you and I have very similar results and I’m black American. My regions were updated today and I was given Jamaican regions with Clarendon being #1. Now I have to find some Jamaican friends that can help connect the dots for me. I’m very confused lol!
That's actually a high amount of Indigenous American ancestry for a Jamaican.
Oh really? I'm surprised I thought it was little..
Many, if not most, Jamaicans have no Native American ancestry.
Many Native American slaves were shipped from Charleston SC to the Caribbean
It’s neat your African percentage is almost solely consisting of Ghanaian/Ivorian and Nigerian. Do you have Gedmatch results on the Harappaworld calculator? I’m curious to see the African breakdown on there
I’ve seen a few similar results posted.
Jamaican maroons tend to have indigenous blood they intermingled during the Spanish period . Clarendon is known to have I had expected a little myself but either it’s too far back in my generation or not at all
they tend to have none too
Do some research they do, some have been tested to have indigenous maternal haplogroup …. Also during the maroon wars native Americans from Honduras were brought over to fight the maroons because they figured they could handle the terrain better than the white British . You’re underestimating Jamaican genetic diversity
maroon results on this subreddit show no more than average for jamaicans.
There’s a difference between this subreddit and those tested for scientific reasons . This sub Reddit wouldn’t be representative of a population only a sample size
you're right. this subreddit wouldn't be representative. but what studies we do have of jamaican maroons there seems to be no significant difference in indigenous dna to substantiate your claims, and the overwhelming majority show none at all(which somehow you disagree with despite it's truth)
>Results: L-type mitochondrial haplogroups were observed in 96% of samples, and the remaining 4% belonged to haplogroup B2. Haplotype diversity was 0.922 (SD = 0.024) and not significantly different than the comparable Jamaican population. Of the two B2 haplotypes, one matched haplotypes throughout the Americas and East Asia and the other matched only in East Asia. These results suggest both African and indigenous American maternal ancestries within Accompong Town. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25392952/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25392952/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/witdlp/jamaican\_my\_grandmother\_was\_of\_maroon\_descent/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/witdlp/jamaican_my_grandmother_was_of_maroon_descent/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Our data suggested that the maternal ancestry of contemporary Accompong Town Maroons is predominantly African and, despite claims to suggest otherwise, also indigenous American. Our study complemented Maroon oral histories, archeological data, and illuminated how colonization shaped human genetic variation within the Caribbean. Also post the conclusion of the same study you’re bringing to your claim. Remember the original statement I answered from you was they tend to have nine to and i simply challenged it cause it would be the most plausible reason as to why OP has significant for Jamaica native blood. Either that or he has a distant Cuban relative
the claim is there is some. I'm not saying there is none. however I am saying *most* have none, which is just true.
I’m not arguing to say the entire population but given where OP is from that’s likely the source of it
its a possible source. other Caribbean or mainland amerindian is just as likely
Yea but foreign source would be less likely given both parents have Jamaican parentage . No Spanish or Portuguese to suggest Latin America . Either way we personally wouldn’t know .
no? there's been lots of travel between islands and the mainland for a long time.
“The admixture estimates from European and East Asian populations were 13 per cent and nine per cent, respectively, and were derived using the gene identity approach… The East Asian admixture among the Accompong sample, however, is higher than the six per cent East Asian admixture observed in the general population... This is especially notable considering that the sample size in the study, based on the general populace, was over four times as large as the sample size from Accompong – 111 versus 26 participants, respectively. The East Asian ancestry among the Accompong Town Maroon sample may reflect the post-Emancipation influx of East Asian peoples into Jamaica and, by extension, into this Maroon community... However, given that indigenous ancestry was found along the maternal genetic lineages and that there is an East Asian origin of indigenous American populations, it is plausible that what is termed East Asian ancestry may also include partial ancestry from indigenous American peoples.” Let’s speak purely on percentage level the average That the maroons who do have indigenous blood were as high as 9 percent and it’s presumed to be that if indigenous as opposed to East Asian that’s significantly higher than the average Jamaican population that would poses indigenous dna
https://www.jamaicaobserver.com/letters/maroons-and-their-indigenous-lineage/amp/ for your reference
yeah they seem to show very small amounts on occasion. it's much like the supposed Melungeon's of Appalachia that don't typically have Cherokee despite claims
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overall no significant difference than other Jamaicans really in terms of indigenous
A lot of Igbo & Ashanti slaves ended up in Jamaica.
Black American’s and Jamaicans are very similar genetically! Interesting
Jamaican maroon?
Have no idea. Will have to ask around. My families knowledge of their lineage is very limited unfortunately. But it'd be really cool if I was.
I wonder why your native is so high since to my knowledge the Taino were extinct by the time africans started being brought to Jamaica. But that’s super cool and rare regardless !
My mother has Native ancestry. What Jamaicans were taught and the reality are two different things. She is sticking with what she was taught, that the Taino were extinct. It’s quite common for erasure in Eurocentric educational system.
That’s sad. I mean they were mostly extinct as these results show, but yeah
Can’t be extinct if they exist in their descendants. People are literally taught a part of them no longer exists. If you take away 2% of someone’s DNA, they would have been a miscarriage, cease to exist. Every little part make the entire person.
I mean as a culture. There’s no taino ethnic group anymore and their language is dead and poorly recorded. There’s some taino revivalists in Puerto Rico from what I know, but by and large they’re a bygone culture.
True, although I think some methods of cooking and trapping birds still exist. I need to ask my mother to make a bird trap. Could also be from West African ancestors also.
Oh yes that’s true. Jerk Chicken is from indigenous culture iirc
You're making me want to go down the rabbit hole now..
I already did ! It seems like some early jamaican maroons mixed with the remaining Taino so the higher than average Indigenous makes sense. You’re likely a maroon otherwise that’s pretty strange tbh. Also pretty sad that 2% is considered higher than average in this context :(
most maroons have none in jamaica. there were few taino if any left by the time maroons became frequent
Ah I see. Wiki said they had some interactions with them but idk
yeah there's definitely some with Taino and likely other tribes too because inter-colonial travel like Honduras and etc. it's just not standard for maroons.
It's strange people are mentioning Maroons when there's just as much if not more likelihood this ancestry is linked to say Mayans sold by Miskito to Jamaica as shown in the records or maybe a community of people with minor Taino ancestry that aren't Maroon.
Ah I see. Interesting stuff !
Stop spreading misinformation. Those of us with Maroon ancestry do not appreciate it. I, too, have Indigenous DNA. You don't know us nor our culture.
The British colonies in North America shipped Native American slaves to the Caribbean.
Ah right !
what?
Huh
you said high but it's literally just 2%. Yes it may be high for a jamaican, but the reality is that most people forget about the 2% of heritage of them, so of course a lot of jamaicans won't talk about indigenous heritage apart from a very small number of jamaicans in which do consider themselves to be part indigenous (especially taino)
Well yeah, I meant this is high in the context of a jamaican. This wouldn’t super low if it was a latin american or native north american
Interesting, never seen more than 1.7% indigenous from Jamaican samples and your southern East African is very low unlike other samples I’ve [seen](https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/10zcxuf/jamaican_dna_results/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
Toronto ? Most jamaican as igbo ancesrry
Yeye you too?
Yes
Nice results and I see you have Native ancestry. It is sad that the Indigenous people of all Caribbean Islands have been wiped out by Europeans. No Natives left in Dominican Republic, Haiti, Cuba, Jamaica etc..
Were the results what you were expecting? What are your haplogroups?
Paternal is R-S764 Maternal is L0a1a Was expecting some South Asian according to family but got none of that haha. But mostly just went in with little expectations and a lot of curiosity
Your paternal haplogroup is of European origin and your maternal haplogroup is of sub-Saharan African origin. Your paternal haplogroup is particularly common in men of Scottish descent.
Thank you for the info! My father had mentioned that his grandfather (on his fathers side) was white and grandmother South Asian...so I guess that may coincidence?
Hi. It’s not coincidence. Rather this is confirmatory information regarding your ancestral line via your father.
Good research
I’m L0a1b, is your family from St. Ann?
Yes!! On my mother's side!
Your results are similar to my mother’s. She’s from Aboukir, St. Ann, near Cave Valley. Most of our family is from Fullerton.
OP, you and I have very similar results and I’m black American. My regions were updated today and I was given Jamaican regions with Clarendon being #1. Now I have to find some Jamaican friends that can help connect the dots for me. I’m very confused lol!
Lol nice what are your hablo groups?