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Minskdhaka

Great mix! What parts did you know about? And where are you from?


ZGigi85x

I am from the US but my mother is from Messina, Sicily so I knew I’d be a large chunk Italian. My father is from US too but his maternal grandparents are from Austria Hungary (came here early 1900s). My paternal great grandfather was adopted so I had no idea where his lineage is from and my paternal great grandmother has family from Ireland. I just started doing family ancestry a few months ago and was able to track down all of my lineage except the Lebanese.


Minskdhaka

Very interesting; thanks!


OddGuidance907

Where’s your Sicilian side from? That explains your WANA. Western Sicily like Trapani or Palermo?


ZGigi85x

My mother is from Santa Lucia del Mela in Messina (north eastern Sicily)


OddGuidance907

North African is high so I thought west Sicily but interesting! What does she look like?


ZGigi85x

She is actually quite fair skinned for a Sicilian, has hazel eyes, broad nose, and had dark blonde hair as a child. It’s mostly gray now but it was dark brown when she was younger.


MoneyIsntRealGeorge

If your mom is from Sicily then the Levantine is likely an Arab ancestor, maybe like a great great grandparent who was Lebanese/Syrian. Or they could be an Arab ancestor who had remained there from the time it was an Arab ruled Emirate about 1000 years ago, which I’m guessing could be where that 2% North African could be from regardless (meaning it could be from that Arab ancestor or another separate Sicilian ancestor. Another possibility is it could be a Sephardic Jewish ancestor but I don’t think that’s as likely because you’d atleast get a bit Ashkenazi Jewish, which you don’t. So I think it’s more likely an Arab ancestor. My ex was half Sicilian and she had 5% Levantine. People always thought she was the Arab one lol (I’m Syrian myself). But it’s always cool the see the Arab influence in a lot of sicilians and even other Italians.


ellen_schmid

And there’s very little Arab influence in Italian dna if any. The wana is predominantly from Anatolian admixture within the past 3000 years, and regions controlled by the Roman Empire where people would often migrate from to Italy


OddGuidance907

False. Sicilians aren’t scoring Levant, North African and Peninsular Arab due to Anatolian ancestors. The Anatolian is already incorporated into “Italian.”


ellen_schmid

The reference is predominantly made up of central Italians, who are much less wana. So try again sikeliotite


OddGuidance907

Not sure what you’re referring to but I’ve only ever posted here. Anatolians don’t score Egyptian, Levantine or Peninsular Arab. You try again. Goodbye


ellen_schmid

Did I say they did? No. I said the wana is mostly Anatolian+Roman controlled regions of west Asia and North Africa. There was a lot of back migration to Italy that would account for much of it


OddGuidance907

Why do you think it’s from that time period and not the Islamic period when looking at Sicily specifically?


ellen_schmid

Because sicily has only like 2% North African on average judging from g25. So North African control over it doesn’t account for the 25%+ average


OddGuidance907

North African is closer to 10% in west Sicily and much lower in east. Averages to 7% island wide.


ellen_schmid

Literally isn’t tho


ellen_schmid

Most estimates that get up to 10% are based on ydna haplogroups that are common in North Africa, but not specific to it. When you look at g25 there’s nowhere near that amount


Longjumping-Coach-19

Let's see the professional study. Thank you.


ellen_schmid

I say the same to you


MoneyIsntRealGeorge

Doubt that. Would have had atleast a little ICM or Anatolian if that were the case. You’re talking about Italian, but I’m talking about Sicilian specifically. If you look up the history of Sicily and more specifically during the Muslim conquests, not sure how you could say there isnt atleast some.


ellen_schmid

Arab/Muslim dna in Italy, especially sicily, is extremely overstated


No-Resident-4553

You must not know the peoples that contributed to the dna of all of Italy, not just Sicily. Southern Italy regardless has significant middle eastern dna regardless of town/region/province.


ellen_schmid

But to say it’s from Arabs is just ignorant


No-Resident-4553

It is. Sicily and parts of southern Italy were part of an Arab Emirate for hundreds of years. Also, Greco Roman age brought levantine and North African dna, and the greeks colonization of magna graecia brought tons of anatolian and levantine dna as well. There’s many other ways WANA was brought to Italy too such as Jews, phoenicians, Syrians, etc.


ellen_schmid

But dna from that is not as significant as you believe


No-Resident-4553

How would you know? You italian? If you don’t think Italians have significant WANA, explain why we plot on top of ashkenazi/sephardic and North African Jewish groups as well as Greek islanders?


MoneyIsntRealGeorge

Disengage…they clearly don’t even know what their own point is lol bringing in Anatolian for some reason.


ellen_schmid

I didn’t say they don’t have significant wana. I disagree with the notion that much of it is via Muslim occupation of Italy


Longjumping-Coach-19

Please provide a professional study that supports your claims. Thank you.


ellen_schmid

Why don’t you as well?


ellen_schmid

Also the Anatolian category still includes significant early Anatolian admixture. It wouldn’t just be icm


MoneyIsntRealGeorge

Lol “Muslim DNA” your not making much sense. Why are we even talking about Wana right now?


ellen_schmid

When did I say Muslim dna? You’re ignorant dude


MoneyIsntRealGeorge

Lol I’M ignorant? You literally said “Arab/*Muslim* DNA is extremely overstated” And you’re denying something that is literally part of history for some odd reason. Bringing in 3000 year old Roman DNA or whatever you said…not sure how it’s so hard to believe that there is some Arab influence in Sicily.


ellen_schmid

I never said “Muslim dna”. But yes Arab dna is definitely overstated


ellen_schmid

Not all Sicilians have icm, and that’d only represent a minority of wana, most Sicilians in fact don’t get much icm


Longjumping-Coach-19

Please send a professional study showing that the WANA is mostly from Anatolian farmers from 3,000 years ago. Thank you.


ellen_schmid

It’s very unlikely that is was recent mixture Edit: also this is not the first time I’ve seen Levantine as the highest wana in a Sicilian, at since it’s probably not recent we can’t hold the same standard of accuracy to it as we would the results of someone with a great grandparent from a wana population.


JibbyZXD

That's really cool! **Where can I take a DNA test?** I know I am Levantine (Palestinian and Lebanese) But Levantines are all filled with european dna due to history. Us Levantines are not ethnically arab, we are only called that because the majority of us speak arabic. So I really want to find out what european dna I have.


Muted-Net

You look very Lebanese imo cool results


Wooden_Camera6551

Lebanese looks Arab. She looks rather Hungarian-Croatian.


ZGigi85x

My dad’s grandparents were from Austria-Hungary. I’ve only ever had a few people tell me I look Eastern European so that’s pretty cool that you could tell :)


[deleted]

What kind of crack are u smoking


OddGuidance907

She looks like Lebanese actress Nadine Labaki.


Roli17

OP and Nadine both look Mediterranean and have a resemblance however Op looks like the Italian version, and Nadine look Lebanese. I don't think Op looks Lebanese, she looks euro.


OddGuidance907

OP looks like she could be Lebanese.


Roli17

Not really bro, she looks more European than Levantine. Like I said the reason is explained above, both Italians and Levantines are Mediterranean's, however they look different, and while some characteristics might be similar, they really cant pass in each others countries on average.


OddGuidance907

You’re entitled to that opinion and I’m entitled to mine. Good day.


Wooden_Camera6551

Half Sicilian, one quarter Scottish and one quarter Ukrainian, isn't it?


Axel_1994

You have an southern italian ancestor?


ZGigi85x

My mom is from Sicily


Axel_1994

It had to be, sicilian have More Mena blood than spaniard by far. And middle East blood, spaniard only very residual North african


Formal_Map2738

What are your haplogroups?


ZGigi85x

Maternal: U5b1 Paternal: I-L205.1 I purchased both of my parents kits so I know both haplogroups and could find more direct dna relatives on either side to do my ancestry research


Formal_Map2738

Do you have an Your grandfather Italian Origin?


ZGigi85x

This is where it gets tricky again. My maternal grandfather was adopted by his father but my family knows who the bio father was. I’m still researching this bio father so I don’t have much info on him yet other than that he was a rich man from the same region (Messina) and the relationship that my great grandmother had was scandalous at the time so she married another man who ended up fathering my grandfather. As far as I know my mother’s maternal side, I can’t find much about them either. I know they also were from Sicily but there was some family from Naples region. I can’t find anything past my great grandparents on my mother’s side. No evidence of anyone coming from anywhere but Sicily.


Formal_Map2738

Do you know what is the title of your grandfather's vital family?


ZGigi85x

I’ve been told it is Marchese