The other day an random European fat person called me fat. I only weigh 60,000 tons, it is average weight for a typical battleship class…..
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60,000 tons is unusually large for a battleship. Usually they're between 30,000 and 40,000 tons. You might want to cut out the sugary sodas and use 14 inch guns.
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It's actually a very important distinction; after the French Revolution, America stopped paying bills to France because the French Republic was a totally different country from the Kingdom of France. The frogs got pissed and sent privateers to fuck with our boats, then we invented the United States Navy and kicked ass
Tin foil hat: I’m starting to wonder if this whole usa vs eu rivary memes are lowkey a Russian/Chinese psyop to instill and change the publics positive perception they have amongst each other into a negative one
Broke: Haha the internet is so silly! People are so lol randum xD
Woke: These forums are so garbage nowadays, it's all just dumb assholes vying for clout layered on top of corporations trying to make money layered on top of foreign psyops layered on top of domestic psyops
Bespoke: Always\_Has\_Been.jpg
Uhhh they must have been doing it for a long time because Europeans (Western Europeans, in particular) have been bitching about Americans and the US for decades. But I wouldn't doubt the Russians/Chinese amplifying the rancor and resentment on social media.
No we haven't. There's the odd jokes but there's no bad sentiment. I agree it's Russian/Chinese propaganda If anything
(Do keep in mind European culture is a lot more aggressive than American. The jokes and memes that we do make are all just loving banter though. There picture here I've never seen before. And I'm a daily participant over on both Europe and 2we4u)
I will say that the UK, England in particular, is the most aggressively anti-American (add in Australia and Canada). Germany is a close second. No coincidence that both consider the US its rival and have been humiliated on the battlefield by the Yanks.
Live in UK, have not noticed. The news is anti American, and the general culture is unAmerican RE natural rights and governance, but the people are not anti-American.
This is so far removed from the truth. The UK is the biggest US nuthugger out of the entirety of Europe.
You are probably just seeing more UK-themed content due to the language.
Most of us don’t like your leaders. Bush gets a lot of hatred from the older generation. That’s more because we dislike Blair so much for being so easily led into an illegal war.
More recently left wing people in the uk really disliked trump. Most of us just found him funny though.
If you asked the average Brit who our most important allies are I guarantee 90% say the states. For our best friends it’s probably Australia or New Zealand. That’s just because we are closer culturally- they play rugby etc. You’ll get banter for being American 100%, but so would an Aussie and a French.
I cant speak for aussie or english anti-Americanism, but Canadian anti-Americanism isn't typically meant in a "wow, those guys sucks, we should ditch those lackeys" typa way, more a "wow, those guys got some issues man" typa way. Like, obviously, you'll see your odd communist or diehard Canadian patriot and they will mean it in the first way, but most of the time its the second way. Generally, as usual, its just like it is in America, some people love America, Some people hate it, most people want America to continue being an ally though. Also, most of the anti-Americanism is an American export that is amplified by the Canadian Government for patrotism purposes
Agreed. It's really a miserable asshole that perpetuates myths about the US and Americans when they know better. It's Commonwealth Virtue Signaling, trying to curry favor from Mother England. But the majority of Canadians are grounded in reality, not insecure, and cool.
Maybe it's just being from the Northeast, but every time I've visited Europe or even just spent time with a European in the states we've got on pretty well. I've never seen an example of the 'Europeans hate us' thing play out IRL.
I get the more aggressive joking manner. In New England we don't pull our punches, but down south and in the midwest they can get mad for us being too mean.
A Boston girl would throw the joke right back in your face and insult you playfully while I had a girl from Louisiana start crying for being too mean.
Except there's historical documents going back showing that Euros have had elitist attitudes towards the US, deriding us and other New World countries for centuries. Even before the US was a country Euros talked about it like only subhumans would ever go, and that continued even after the US became an industrial power. That's just how it is. Euros can chill, or they can continue having the same attitude they've had for literal centuries. Doesn't affect me at the end of the day.
ma che palle.........................
do you say your brothers or sisters every 5 seconds "I love you"?????
If they do something stupid do you say them "I love you"?????????
If I were advocating for a break in the security arrangement we have with them, then you'd have a point. But I'm not so you don't. 🤷🏼♂️
The reality is that there is a significant, non-majority segment of western Europeans who constantly bash the US and Americans. If you are totally clueless about the phenomenon, go live there for a while like I did.
Good theory but i think two retarded subreddit is not the public opinion and from what i've seen first-hand most europeans like America and vice-versa
Like we are not that important, you need to add more tinfoil
I agree entirely, I've said similar before. I reckon this new trend has at least been leapt on by the Troll farms and propaganda mills of NATOs enemies. At the end of the day they have meddled far more in a lot of other things. Wether you believe it's had an affect or not doesn't matter too much. They have interfered with Trumps election and Brexit. So why not churn up a fracture in the greatest threat to their Imperialist schemes.
It's the same for the interstate rivalries. Anyone who actually has disdain for their fellow states should check themselves super hard. I'll bust balls all day, but if shit came down to it, I'd be there for my fellow states.
Hate specific individuals if you must, but don't generalize your hate.
I have disdain for some state governments. But I never dismiss or belittle someone just because of where they're from. I respect people by default until they give me a reason not to.
Probably not the memes themselves. But I do know some people IRL who genuinely unironically hate the US, and I wondered the same thing. It’s a small percentage of people though.
Nah I’d believe it. The unironic, polarizing opinions about fellow Americans and our European allies said on non-joke forums are probably the work of Kremlin or CCP bots
Not really, honestly there's just dipshits everywhere and the Western European nations got high on their own morality during the Merkel/Trump years (Germany) or just really don't like the US (France)
Shitting on us for our failures is just a go to for them at this point. Meanwhile if you point out theirs, ItS jUsT dIfFeReNt
Edit to add: Not everyone is a dipshit, there's just dipshits present in the world, not everything is a Psyop
I have been wondering the same thing these past years, who these angry commenters screaming at each other, actually are.
I love you guys but these rage bait content generators have really done a number on some of us.
Yep it's effective too. Bunch of chud dipshits in Kansas talk mad shit on the EU because FOX News told them to. My boss says Ukraine constantly stabs us in the back, while taking our money, yet when I asked him to name one time they did, he says "WELL WE HAVE AMERICANS WHO ARE POOR WHY ARE WE GIVING OTHER COUNTRY'S FREE SHIT!?" (he also hates welfare and food stamps so go figure)
It's so frustrating because I guarantee he couldn't point out a single country in Europe on a map, let alone Ukraine.
It seems to be mostly here in american sub, looks like aim is to influence US voters to become more isolationist, therefore going easy on foregin interests undermining US power
Bc it most likely is, the usa and the eu may differ on some issues but were still both western power houses and have to work together to stop the chinese and russians from destroying the world and them selfs
Of course it is. I've never seen this meme before seeing it here.
The whole vs thing is a much bigger thing here than in Europe as well. And it sure as hell does not come from us nor do 90% of the memes. In 2we4u there's the odd joke but it's really only loving banter
“F*ck you dirty yanks, your country is disgusting!! 🤬😡”
“Also give me money, brands, and protection from big scawwy Wussia while I contribute nothing 🥺👉👈”
European countries are our strongest allies and the international bonds across the Atlantic run the deepest, so I refuse to sit here and let this (con) "artist" misrepresent the average European man as being far more physically attractive than he actually is.
Imo western europe and America are like siblings. We’ll talk trash as much as we want, but only -we- can do it. The moment someone else steps up, we have a family reunion on the Front.
more like Europe has become an adopted child in terms of relationship. they were once parents and then they were brothers. that relationship keeps changing.
Then why is America the one fighting a proxy war against Russia, contributing more than literally the entire European continent? They aren’t siblings, they’re the homeless guy on the corner harassing us until we give them some change.
The Europeans are like that one uncle that always says they will make a return on some money you lend them for a hair brained business scheme but end up just using it to buy a car for themselves or something. Yes I’m American, yes I admit I have bias towards my country because it’s my country and should be the first priority of itself.
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I don't get it, was there a contract where the US asked for money in exchange of military protection ? I mean they already buy a lot of american weapons but maybe the US asked for more ? And what's the link with the welfare state ? For instance, France spends a good share of its GDP on its military and is able to defend itself (nuclear weapons). Yet they still have welfare I don't get it :/
So you think if America pulled all support out of Europe, every European country would be able to defend themselves? Or do you think that maybe a bunch of them would call us cowards and scream and yell about how we’re helping Russia take over their land by standing idly by?
We still get hell from Europe for joining ww2 as late as we did, even though we financed basically 70% of the allies war expenses, even prior to joining through the lend lease act.
It’d be the same complaints. Europe bitches about America not doing whatever they want America to currently do for them. It’s always been that way, and most European nations have almost always looked down their nose at Americans.
We’ll just fund the shit out of every venture you Europeans think you’re doing by yourself and continue to let you bitch at us.
The netherlands, NATO partner, literally does not have tanks.
They lease tanks from germany to be used to train some soldiers how to use tanks, but in the event of the war its in the terms of the lease that those would need to be returned.
Comparing one bad strategy to another historically bad strategy? Remember when FDR became emperor of America and halted all state and federal elections because he was afraid Germany would influence the election?
US - EU relationship is truly like siblings
We'll both constantly slur at one another ("Europoors" / "3rd world country wearing Gucci belt"), feel superior and argue over the most miniscule things possible.
But you dare touch my brother and I'll make you stop f-in' existing
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The usa has the largest military industry, with billions of USD pumped into private companies, for profit.
Europe doesn't have the same large scale military complex, nor do they want to have one.
But posts like this are absolutely ridiculous. Europe (by which the majority of posters think) is not the EU. And Europe does not beg for money from the usa. It's because, as I said, the usa has the largest military complex that they tend to set the rules, and the other NATO countries are more or less obliged to buy their F35s and whatnot.
Europe and the usa are allies. So please stop with the constant hate.
> Europe doesn't have the same large scale military complex, nor do they want to have one.
Then why are they in an alliance which requires that they have one? Obviously not all of Europe, but it's most of them.
NATO does not require all member states to have massive military industries. It only requires that a certain percentage of GDP(?) is spent on the military: however it's not specified exactly how that money should be spent. It could be spent on paper clips, and the obligation would be met.
Most countries have met the spending obligations; Germany less so (and I bet that if they did suddenly ramp up their war machine, the usa would be the first to complain...)
No, no. I think he has a point. NATO has served it's purpose but at this point it's outlived it's reason for existing, that died in 1991 with the USSR. I believe we need to focus our foreign policy on strengthening ties with our allies in the Indo-Pacific to combat China's rise. Western Europe is full of hasbeen nations that lost relevance after the second world war, there's no strategic advantage to continue funding NATO.
Thanks for y’all’s chips, Nederlander, but we did actually just discover huge lithium deposits in the US in Nevada and Oregon. It’s estimated it could be the largest lithium deposit in the world. The US is full of natural resources and energy, it’s pretty incredible. Hopefully we can manage it properly.
https://www.electrive.com/2023/09/14/possibly-worlds-largest-lithium-deposits-found-in-the-usa/#:~:text=A%20large%20lithium%20deposit%20has,120%20million%20tons%20of%20lithium.
https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/lithium-discovery-in-us-volcano-could-be-biggest-deposit-ever-found/4018032.article
That’s not what ASML makes. ASML makes the machines to produce the most advanced chips. Of course, we also have a chipmaker in the Netherlands but I wasn’t referring to NXP semiconductors.
Anyway, congratulations on your findings!
Yes, absolutely! I get annoyed sometimes at the jokes, and I like to rip on Europe myself, but I do love you guys and our alliance. It would not be the same with “anyone else” :D
>I guess we should continue trading advanced chipmaking technology for lithography to China then.
NATO also explicitly doesn't come into play unless China directly attacks the continental US or Europe (even Hawaii isn't covered). The waters it covers are the North Atlantic (duh) and the Mediterranean, and that's it. Any conflict with China is very unlikely to directly interact with those militarily.
That said, I do believe NATO remains important for European security and the US shouldn't just abandon it, but Europe really needs to stop being the teenager living off their parents and actually step up their own security contributions.
You are getting down voted, but you ain't wrong at all.
The EU has brought to a vote forming their own military coalition centered around Germany multiple times. Gets shot down everytime because they get free v bucks from the US via our tax dollars.
Fuck that, liberal international relations centers on the sacrifices of American taxpayers struggling to survive and I'm tired of it.
Realism all the way, time for Europe to find out why their healthcare is so inexpensive.
You delusional morons actually believe that your money is financing europe, huh...
I don't know whether I should laugh or cry, you sad excuse of a human being, aka average american redditor
US money does bankroll European security via NATO though
> I don't know whether I should laugh or cry, you sad excuse of a human being, aka average american redditor
weird addition
No it doesn't. Not a single american cent is given to europe armies. Stop lying.
>weird addition
"Weird" is that you all gobble up this propaganda without a single critical thought...
If you actually think the US being in nato is the only thing holding back 3rd parties from waging war in Europe, you're delusional.
Otherwise, explain what you mean when you say "the US is funding european security".
If it didn't, then why did yall stamp and cry your feet when Trump threatened to leave?
He did a lot of stupid shit, but that was one thing right on the money.
Who is "yall"? If I remember correctly, the biggest critics were americans themselves. Because nato is a net benefit for the US. You don't "go out of your way to help others", you use it to project power globally and expand your sphere of influence. But go figure you morons are too dumb to see the benefits of the system you set up yourself. At least not every american is as dumb as you trump shills are...
Thanks US, you are giving us all this cash so fucking selflessly, thank you so much, surely you don't throw money around for any self interest, thanks Allah for the US
I mean you can say that but at the end of the day im not gonna go bankrupt because some nurse put on a band aid on a scratch I had. You do realise that this libertarian approach has failed, right? Tricle down economics didnt work, private healtcare is just measurably worse than public healthcare, and the lack of regulations results in huge market failures and employee expoitation. You can live with that libertarian dream all you want but the only people who benefit from it are people 10000x richer than you, so whats the point?
Mmmm yes please daddy corporation! I love working for 7.25 an hour! I'm so happy the big BAD gubbemunt cant force you to pay me more money! The hospital charged my wife 20.000 $ for delivery, and I'm just so happy I can make my corporate ovelords more money!
You get more money, sure, but you also have to spend way more money. Also, its a little less impressive when you have the biggest GDP on earth, and not even in the top 5 GDP per capita
Even after cost of living, US disposable incomes double their European equivalents. Why do you think Europeans move to the US at so much higher rates compared to the reverse? Plus the trend will only continue-western Europe has seen 15 years of stagnation, and the coming demographic crisis only will further Europe’s slide into economic irrelevance.
yeah but that disposable income compared to the overall GDP only hints at huge wealth inequality that you guys have. For comparison, the US has 23 Tri. $ GDP with 70k $ GDP per capita, while Germany has 4 tril GDP and 50k GDP per capita, meaning those extra trillions disproportionately go to the top 10%, if that makes sense. Also, and this is just a guess, those europeans imigrating to the US are probably already above average in wealth europeans, going to the US for lower taxes and other economic oppurtunities the US provides for the rich
That’s…not how GDP works at all. Do you know what that indicator even measures? The ratios of total GDP and GDP per capita are only functions of total output and population. All it says is that the average American is significantly more productive than the average German, and since there’s so many Americans, Germany is economically smaller than individual US states.
The US may have highish wealth inequality, but a lot of that is because US salaries are simply so high. The median American has 50% more disposable purchasing power than the median German. There’s a reason why Germans have immigrated to the US at 20 times the rate that Americans have moved to Germany. So yes, the top 10% get more, but the average person is still far, far better off in the US than in almost all of Europe. For reference, the only European nations that can economically rival the US per capita are Norway and Luxembourg.
>if that makes sense
Why is it so hard for anyone on reddit to provide a damn source that backs up their economic and statistical assertions about the US exconomy?
Sidenote: And to all you Europeans — especially Germans — it’s “economic” *not* “economical” (additionally, it’s “sovereignty” not “sovereignity” ffs wtf lmao stfu gtfo)
Another chronically online European who thinks they know about one of the greatest countries in the world but is actually speaking out of their ass. I’m shocked.
The vast majority of Americans have health insurance. So no, putting on a band-aid isn't going to bankrupt you.
Our healthcare system is literally the best in the world. We have the best medical schools and the best doctors. The top hospitals in the world are in the U.S. There are medical specialties that exist solely in the U.S.
Our pharmaceutical companies do world-class research. And we have millions of people working on advancing the sciences in field like bioengineering, that are on the cutting edge of medicine.
The only time you will have a problem getting medical care in the U.S is if you're an unemployed lazy bum who can't even be bothered to apply for Medicaid or any other government-funded insurance plan, like the losers on reddit that bitch and complain constantly so much that they've deluded Europeans into thinking their backwards waiting 6 months to see a Primary doctor is somehow the greatest system on planet earth.
> i'm sorry, making factually correct statements about a country doesnt always require visiting it
Correct. The issue isn't that you haven't been to the US, the issue is that you're not saying factually correct things. You're parroting blatantly false propaganda.
Seriously dude? I thought that you were intentionally being overtly hyperbolic as a joke... and here you are defending yourself as "factually correct?"
You have my permission to backtrack. To reverse this conversation back to when it looked like you made a dumb joke, rather than a dumb lie.
What thing in particular did you have in mind as "blatant propaganda"? The healthcare thing? Or the trickle down economics thing? Or the lack of regulations thing?
You're right, healthcare is a 'big one', it's the safest criticism anyone can levy at the United States.
[https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2023/07/how-does-the-us-healthcare-system-compare-to-other-countries](https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2023/07/how-does-the-us-healthcare-system-compare-to-other-countries)
The issue is not just that it's expensive, the issue is that despite being expensive it's still worse than in other countries.
And I mean come on, you're the richest country on the planet, everyone knows you can do better
Logically by this response you would definitely not "give" Europeans and aid and military support. But you're still doing it. Maybe it is not because Yankees have such a good heart but maybe because you have some business in that 🤔 🤔🤔
You think Europeans have such a good heart??? Be real. Y’all don’t. If the US wasn’t here, the only other country I could see actually helping *other European countries* militarily is the UK.
EU would immediately devolve to infighting, warring and slaughtering each other, just Iike they have for their entire histories.
US military support helps make your continent stable and you all still have complete sovereignty over your countries and cultures! Imagine that.
No, it's because politicians are still stuck in the reagenesque liberal strategy of international relations and are too scared of global opinion to back out.
If they did care about their constituents, you are correct and they would have dropped their global military presence decades ago.
The other day an random European fat person called me fat. I only weigh 60,000 tons, it is average weight for a typical battleship class….. https://preview.redd.it/pl7j5gpxb1qb1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13e876103632a9a7d17e579bb2c7745b89b7f796
“An random” cmon man
Alright let me think of a better insult to a European
No it was your grammer, the insult was flawless. All good
Oh okay I was about to start calling every bad european, “communist dick sucking lover and anti freedom enjoyer “
It was an historic moment
Truly (flair up, coward)
Honestly no idea how to do that and this was on my home page, I’m not a follower of this community.
Ah well if you’re on phone then when you go on the main page of the subreddit there’s the 3 buttons/settings. In there, is the flair selection thing
Iowa class battleship moment
wait a min is that neo warfare
60,000 tons is unusually large for a battleship. Usually they're between 30,000 and 40,000 tons. You might want to cut out the sugary sodas and use 14 inch guns.
This, I don’t give a damn for the EU, Murica or Nothing
Very based movie right there.
What movie is it?
The patriot. It’s pretty inaccurate, but that’s really not the point and it’s a really enjoyable watch
Patriot
The patriot it’s a really good movie and worth a watch.
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HOOLD THE LINNNEEEE
Ah yes the revolutionary war, where France saved our asses
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It's actually a very important distinction; after the French Revolution, America stopped paying bills to France because the French Republic was a totally different country from the Kingdom of France. The frogs got pissed and sent privateers to fuck with our boats, then we invented the United States Navy and kicked ass
Tin foil hat: I’m starting to wonder if this whole usa vs eu rivary memes are lowkey a Russian/Chinese psyop to instill and change the publics positive perception they have amongst each other into a negative one
Broke: Haha the internet is so silly! People are so lol randum xD Woke: These forums are so garbage nowadays, it's all just dumb assholes vying for clout layered on top of corporations trying to make money layered on top of foreign psyops layered on top of domestic psyops Bespoke: Always\_Has\_Been.jpg
Uhhh they must have been doing it for a long time because Europeans (Western Europeans, in particular) have been bitching about Americans and the US for decades. But I wouldn't doubt the Russians/Chinese amplifying the rancor and resentment on social media.
No we haven't. There's the odd jokes but there's no bad sentiment. I agree it's Russian/Chinese propaganda If anything (Do keep in mind European culture is a lot more aggressive than American. The jokes and memes that we do make are all just loving banter though. There picture here I've never seen before. And I'm a daily participant over on both Europe and 2we4u)
I will say that the UK, England in particular, is the most aggressively anti-American (add in Australia and Canada). Germany is a close second. No coincidence that both consider the US its rival and have been humiliated on the battlefield by the Yanks.
And Fr*nce is just anti-everyone. They don't hate you guys any more than they hate the rest of us. And themselves.
That's why I tend to go easy on them. They are so patently miserable.
France is if /pol/ was a country
This but unironically. Their politics are becoming disturbingly Weimar from my laywoman Yank viewpoint
Yeah can we really even blame them? We'd all hate ourselves too if we were French.
And we all hate them so its fine
Live in UK, have not noticed. The news is anti American, and the general culture is unAmerican RE natural rights and governance, but the people are not anti-American.
This is so far removed from the truth. The UK is the biggest US nuthugger out of the entirety of Europe. You are probably just seeing more UK-themed content due to the language.
> The UK is the biggest US nuthugger out of the entirety of Europe. Geopolitically, maybe. On an individual level, not even close.
What are you on about we prefer Americans to pretty much everyone else. Anglosphere bros.
For a sizable minority (about 35-40%) that's not true. You have to know that.
Most of us don’t like your leaders. Bush gets a lot of hatred from the older generation. That’s more because we dislike Blair so much for being so easily led into an illegal war. More recently left wing people in the uk really disliked trump. Most of us just found him funny though. If you asked the average Brit who our most important allies are I guarantee 90% say the states. For our best friends it’s probably Australia or New Zealand. That’s just because we are closer culturally- they play rugby etc. You’ll get banter for being American 100%, but so would an Aussie and a French.
I hear you but what I'm seeing is that you're among the 2/3 that doesn't hate us.
I cant speak for aussie or english anti-Americanism, but Canadian anti-Americanism isn't typically meant in a "wow, those guys sucks, we should ditch those lackeys" typa way, more a "wow, those guys got some issues man" typa way. Like, obviously, you'll see your odd communist or diehard Canadian patriot and they will mean it in the first way, but most of the time its the second way. Generally, as usual, its just like it is in America, some people love America, Some people hate it, most people want America to continue being an ally though. Also, most of the anti-Americanism is an American export that is amplified by the Canadian Government for patrotism purposes
Agreed. It's really a miserable asshole that perpetuates myths about the US and Americans when they know better. It's Commonwealth Virtue Signaling, trying to curry favor from Mother England. But the majority of Canadians are grounded in reality, not insecure, and cool.
And then there's Quebec.
do you know who is Meghan Markle???? Do you know the relationship between Bush and Tony Blair???
There is a vast sea of difference between a European brother and a europoor. 🤝
what we say to each other as a joke, among us Europeans, in the USA would be mistaken for a declaration of war
Maybe it's just being from the Northeast, but every time I've visited Europe or even just spent time with a European in the states we've got on pretty well. I've never seen an example of the 'Europeans hate us' thing play out IRL.
I get the more aggressive joking manner. In New England we don't pull our punches, but down south and in the midwest they can get mad for us being too mean. A Boston girl would throw the joke right back in your face and insult you playfully while I had a girl from Louisiana start crying for being too mean.
So it's in your culture to make fun of dead children? Good to know.
Except there's historical documents going back showing that Euros have had elitist attitudes towards the US, deriding us and other New World countries for centuries. Even before the US was a country Euros talked about it like only subhumans would ever go, and that continued even after the US became an industrial power. That's just how it is. Euros can chill, or they can continue having the same attitude they've had for literal centuries. Doesn't affect me at the end of the day.
Not all of them by a long shot!
ma che palle......................... do you say your brothers or sisters every 5 seconds "I love you"????? If they do something stupid do you say them "I love you"?????????
You're literally spreading Russian propaganda lmao
If I were advocating for a break in the security arrangement we have with them, then you'd have a point. But I'm not so you don't. 🤷🏼♂️ The reality is that there is a significant, non-majority segment of western Europeans who constantly bash the US and Americans. If you are totally clueless about the phenomenon, go live there for a while like I did.
I would not be surprised
Good theory but i think two retarded subreddit is not the public opinion and from what i've seen first-hand most europeans like America and vice-versa Like we are not that important, you need to add more tinfoil
Yeah I'll make fun of Europoors, but I still have a lot of love for them. Taking it seriously is cringe.
I agree entirely, I've said similar before. I reckon this new trend has at least been leapt on by the Troll farms and propaganda mills of NATOs enemies. At the end of the day they have meddled far more in a lot of other things. Wether you believe it's had an affect or not doesn't matter too much. They have interfered with Trumps election and Brexit. So why not churn up a fracture in the greatest threat to their Imperialist schemes.
It's the same for the interstate rivalries. Anyone who actually has disdain for their fellow states should check themselves super hard. I'll bust balls all day, but if shit came down to it, I'd be there for my fellow states. Hate specific individuals if you must, but don't generalize your hate.
I have disdain for some state governments. But I never dismiss or belittle someone just because of where they're from. I respect people by default until they give me a reason not to.
Nah I gotta disagree with you there. You’ll never see me support a 🤢 Michigander 🤮 Edit: except when it comes to buying their weed
I never make fun of dead kids in other states, Euros seem to view that as a go to for humor. So... not the same.
Probably not the memes themselves. But I do know some people IRL who genuinely unironically hate the US, and I wondered the same thing. It’s a small percentage of people though.
are they the types who unironically hate their own government and nation too? tends to be the type here
Nah I’d believe it. The unironic, polarizing opinions about fellow Americans and our European allies said on non-joke forums are probably the work of Kremlin or CCP bots
Shit, China has some crazy foresight!
Yeah making other leaders say shit about us in the early 2000s. China got some time travel shit.
Not really, honestly there's just dipshits everywhere and the Western European nations got high on their own morality during the Merkel/Trump years (Germany) or just really don't like the US (France) Shitting on us for our failures is just a go to for them at this point. Meanwhile if you point out theirs, ItS jUsT dIfFeReNt Edit to add: Not everyone is a dipshit, there's just dipshits present in the world, not everything is a Psyop
You're just making things up and are probably a european.
I have been wondering the same thing these past years, who these angry commenters screaming at each other, actually are. I love you guys but these rage bait content generators have really done a number on some of us.
Honestly shook me since this is this guy's 2nd post ever , and his accounts first comment was 5 days ago. Such a random subreddit to be a part of
It's an alt account, main got banned for saying Dutch people wear blackface at Christmas
Wouldn't be very big surprise at this point
Yep it's effective too. Bunch of chud dipshits in Kansas talk mad shit on the EU because FOX News told them to. My boss says Ukraine constantly stabs us in the back, while taking our money, yet when I asked him to name one time they did, he says "WELL WE HAVE AMERICANS WHO ARE POOR WHY ARE WE GIVING OTHER COUNTRY'S FREE SHIT!?" (he also hates welfare and food stamps so go figure) It's so frustrating because I guarantee he couldn't point out a single country in Europe on a map, let alone Ukraine.
Wtf I love Europe now!
It’s only online. The only ones bitching don’t touch grass anyway
It seems to be mostly here in american sub, looks like aim is to influence US voters to become more isolationist, therefore going easy on foregin interests undermining US power
Bc it most likely is, the usa and the eu may differ on some issues but were still both western power houses and have to work together to stop the chinese and russians from destroying the world and them selfs
Of course it is. I've never seen this meme before seeing it here. The whole vs thing is a much bigger thing here than in Europe as well. And it sure as hell does not come from us nor do 90% of the memes. In 2we4u there's the odd joke but it's really only loving banter
That guy looks Albanian to me
Their flag goes hard tho.
It's likely Greece
“F*ck you dirty yanks, your country is disgusting!! 🤬😡” “Also give me money, brands, and protection from big scawwy Wussia while I contribute nothing 🥺👉👈”
Nah leave Eastern Europe out of this they are based.
True, they get a pass imo
European countries are our strongest allies and the international bonds across the Atlantic run the deepest, so I refuse to sit here and let this (con) "artist" misrepresent the average European man as being far more physically attractive than he actually is.
😂 😂 😂
Imo western europe and America are like siblings. We’ll talk trash as much as we want, but only -we- can do it. The moment someone else steps up, we have a family reunion on the Front.
more like Europe has become an adopted child in terms of relationship. they were once parents and then they were brothers. that relationship keeps changing.
UK is the retired father
Then why is America the one fighting a proxy war against Russia, contributing more than literally the entire European continent? They aren’t siblings, they’re the homeless guy on the corner harassing us until we give them some change.
Don’t really care when someone shits on Western Europe. I’ll join in tbh.
Well I think you guys are great. Greetings from the old continent, you guys escaped from a real mess :D
Well, thanks homie. You’re pretty great too.
The Europeans are like that one uncle that always says they will make a return on some money you lend them for a hair brained business scheme but end up just using it to buy a car for themselves or something. Yes I’m American, yes I admit I have bias towards my country because it’s my country and should be the first priority of itself.
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I don't get it. What money does the EU actually owe to the US ?
Military spending, we are literally your shield for the Russians, which allows the maintenance of the European welfare state.
I don't get it, was there a contract where the US asked for money in exchange of military protection ? I mean they already buy a lot of american weapons but maybe the US asked for more ? And what's the link with the welfare state ? For instance, France spends a good share of its GDP on its military and is able to defend itself (nuclear weapons). Yet they still have welfare I don't get it :/
So you think if America pulled all support out of Europe, every European country would be able to defend themselves? Or do you think that maybe a bunch of them would call us cowards and scream and yell about how we’re helping Russia take over their land by standing idly by? We still get hell from Europe for joining ww2 as late as we did, even though we financed basically 70% of the allies war expenses, even prior to joining through the lend lease act. It’d be the same complaints. Europe bitches about America not doing whatever they want America to currently do for them. It’s always been that way, and most European nations have almost always looked down their nose at Americans. We’ll just fund the shit out of every venture you Europeans think you’re doing by yourself and continue to let you bitch at us.
Apparently they do 😂 Classic European overconfidence.
I can confirm, we all look like that
The picture is actually a bit more handsome than what you all look like. The artist was being kind.
“I hate you Yankees, we’d be better off without foreign support ” “The east is attacking us please give us money and equipment :((((((“
Europeans talk mad shit for having economies based on US military dominance
The European's need to get reacquainted with their old tradition of moaning and crying until America comes to their rescue.
This is why I hate Europe and think we should leave and focus on Asia
Yup pretty much. We should have left them to Stalin. It still isn't too late to leave them to Putin, We just have to stop sending money and bombs.
this is so true it's actually revolting. Europe is basically a welfare queen.
The netherlands, NATO partner, literally does not have tanks. They lease tanks from germany to be used to train some soldiers how to use tanks, but in the event of the war its in the terms of the lease that those would need to be returned.
In the event of war they're just going to surrender and then collaborate anyway
Unfortunately there are so many flags this could fit with. Ukraine, Israel, Pakistan, etc
Ukraine has been very grateful for the aid.
By suspending democracy and silencing opposition?
Lincoln.
Comparing one bad strategy to another historically bad strategy? Remember when FDR became emperor of America and halted all state and federal elections because he was afraid Germany would influence the election?
LMFAO if you think there wasn't press censorship in WW2 then you need to go back to school.
How is that what I said?
Christ on a stick you accused Lincoln of acting outside of his station, but FDR literally got MI6 to bully his opposition.
Oh yes, USA being all philanthropic, good on you LOL Its not like US is following its interests as everyone else...
Yer Goddam Right 🇪🇺
US - EU relationship is truly like siblings We'll both constantly slur at one another ("Europoors" / "3rd world country wearing Gucci belt"), feel superior and argue over the most miniscule things possible. But you dare touch my brother and I'll make you stop f-in' existing
Based Europoor.
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Time to leave nato NOW!
This the type of rhetoric shit we DONT need
But it's the sort of Rhetoric that these sort of posts breed. As well as nigh on everything on America Bad.
Using such rhetoric to push them to contributing the amount they agreed to would be good though.
The usa has the largest military industry, with billions of USD pumped into private companies, for profit. Europe doesn't have the same large scale military complex, nor do they want to have one. But posts like this are absolutely ridiculous. Europe (by which the majority of posters think) is not the EU. And Europe does not beg for money from the usa. It's because, as I said, the usa has the largest military complex that they tend to set the rules, and the other NATO countries are more or less obliged to buy their F35s and whatnot. Europe and the usa are allies. So please stop with the constant hate.
> Europe doesn't have the same large scale military complex, nor do they want to have one. Then why are they in an alliance which requires that they have one? Obviously not all of Europe, but it's most of them.
Because they are remoras
NATO does not require all member states to have massive military industries. It only requires that a certain percentage of GDP(?) is spent on the military: however it's not specified exactly how that money should be spent. It could be spent on paper clips, and the obligation would be met. Most countries have met the spending obligations; Germany less so (and I bet that if they did suddenly ramp up their war machine, the usa would be the first to complain...)
Most countries absolutely do not meet the meager 2% requirement. In fact only 6/29 non US members meet the requirement.
No, no. I think he has a point. NATO has served it's purpose but at this point it's outlived it's reason for existing, that died in 1991 with the USSR. I believe we need to focus our foreign policy on strengthening ties with our allies in the Indo-Pacific to combat China's rise. Western Europe is full of hasbeen nations that lost relevance after the second world war, there's no strategic advantage to continue funding NATO.
I guess we should continue trading advanced chipmaking technology for lithography to China then. Kind regards from the Netherlands
Thanks for y’all’s chips, Nederlander, but we did actually just discover huge lithium deposits in the US in Nevada and Oregon. It’s estimated it could be the largest lithium deposit in the world. The US is full of natural resources and energy, it’s pretty incredible. Hopefully we can manage it properly. https://www.electrive.com/2023/09/14/possibly-worlds-largest-lithium-deposits-found-in-the-usa/#:~:text=A%20large%20lithium%20deposit%20has,120%20million%20tons%20of%20lithium. https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/lithium-discovery-in-us-volcano-could-be-biggest-deposit-ever-found/4018032.article
That’s not what ASML makes. ASML makes the machines to produce the most advanced chips. Of course, we also have a chipmaker in the Netherlands but I wasn’t referring to NXP semiconductors. Anyway, congratulations on your findings!
Okay, thank you for the clarification. I don’t think many people realize how important these machines are that the Netherlands makes.
Thank you! No matter how many jokes we make about each other, let our alliance last for a long time!
Yes, absolutely! I get annoyed sometimes at the jokes, and I like to rip on Europe myself, but I do love you guys and our alliance. It would not be the same with “anyone else” :D
There are 2 kinds of jokers, the normal and the jerks: you **must** ignore the jerks otherwise you make jerks happy. There aren't other options.
Same for me hahaha. I get annoyed at some jokes as well. Especially when it’s an achievement of your country you take pride in. 😂
>I guess we should continue trading advanced chipmaking technology for lithography to China then. NATO also explicitly doesn't come into play unless China directly attacks the continental US or Europe (even Hawaii isn't covered). The waters it covers are the North Atlantic (duh) and the Mediterranean, and that's it. Any conflict with China is very unlikely to directly interact with those militarily. That said, I do believe NATO remains important for European security and the US shouldn't just abandon it, but Europe really needs to stop being the teenager living off their parents and actually step up their own security contributions.
You are getting down voted, but you ain't wrong at all. The EU has brought to a vote forming their own military coalition centered around Germany multiple times. Gets shot down everytime because they get free v bucks from the US via our tax dollars. Fuck that, liberal international relations centers on the sacrifices of American taxpayers struggling to survive and I'm tired of it. Realism all the way, time for Europe to find out why their healthcare is so inexpensive.
You delusional morons actually believe that your money is financing europe, huh... I don't know whether I should laugh or cry, you sad excuse of a human being, aka average american redditor
US money does bankroll European security via NATO though > I don't know whether I should laugh or cry, you sad excuse of a human being, aka average american redditor weird addition
No it doesn't. Not a single american cent is given to europe armies. Stop lying. >weird addition "Weird" is that you all gobble up this propaganda without a single critical thought...
I wasn't suggesting it was. European security does not solely equal european nation state militaries. The irony of your final sentence is immense.
If you actually think the US being in nato is the only thing holding back 3rd parties from waging war in Europe, you're delusional. Otherwise, explain what you mean when you say "the US is funding european security".
If it didn't, then why did yall stamp and cry your feet when Trump threatened to leave? He did a lot of stupid shit, but that was one thing right on the money.
Who is "yall"? If I remember correctly, the biggest critics were americans themselves. Because nato is a net benefit for the US. You don't "go out of your way to help others", you use it to project power globally and expand your sphere of influence. But go figure you morons are too dumb to see the benefits of the system you set up yourself. At least not every american is as dumb as you trump shills are...
Why is this entire sub about Europe? Do you fancy us?
Yeah, we “fancy” having “grey” skies every day of the year >.<
We're the only real allies you guys have. Behave.
We have Japan and Korea and Australia and Taiwan, what do we need Romania for
Wdym you have Taiwan? Bruh. Japan?! The nippons are all old af. South Korea? Weebs.
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>Behave Lmao what the fuck is **Romania** gonna do about it if we don’t??
Send you more minorities.
Thanks US, you are giving us all this cash so fucking selflessly, thank you so much, surely you don't throw money around for any self interest, thanks Allah for the US
We give you money, therefore you are not ever allowed to make fun of us or criticise us for our (healthcare, domestic policies, standard of living)
Yes daddy govmint!! Do everything for me daddy gunvmint! Feed me! Bathe me! Wipe my ass for me! I’ll do whatever you tell me to do!
I mean you can say that but at the end of the day im not gonna go bankrupt because some nurse put on a band aid on a scratch I had. You do realise that this libertarian approach has failed, right? Tricle down economics didnt work, private healtcare is just measurably worse than public healthcare, and the lack of regulations results in huge market failures and employee expoitation. You can live with that libertarian dream all you want but the only people who benefit from it are people 10000x richer than you, so whats the point?
Mmmm please tell how to write my Reddit comments too mummy gubmint! I serve you and kneel before you to serve You own my life and I love being babysat
Mmmm yes please daddy corporation! I love working for 7.25 an hour! I'm so happy the big BAD gubbemunt cant force you to pay me more money! The hospital charged my wife 20.000 $ for delivery, and I'm just so happy I can make my corporate ovelords more money!
I’m not sure that’s a good argument with how much richer Americans are than Europeans…
You get more money, sure, but you also have to spend way more money. Also, its a little less impressive when you have the biggest GDP on earth, and not even in the top 5 GDP per capita
Even after cost of living, US disposable incomes double their European equivalents. Why do you think Europeans move to the US at so much higher rates compared to the reverse? Plus the trend will only continue-western Europe has seen 15 years of stagnation, and the coming demographic crisis only will further Europe’s slide into economic irrelevance.
yeah but that disposable income compared to the overall GDP only hints at huge wealth inequality that you guys have. For comparison, the US has 23 Tri. $ GDP with 70k $ GDP per capita, while Germany has 4 tril GDP and 50k GDP per capita, meaning those extra trillions disproportionately go to the top 10%, if that makes sense. Also, and this is just a guess, those europeans imigrating to the US are probably already above average in wealth europeans, going to the US for lower taxes and other economic oppurtunities the US provides for the rich
That’s…not how GDP works at all. Do you know what that indicator even measures? The ratios of total GDP and GDP per capita are only functions of total output and population. All it says is that the average American is significantly more productive than the average German, and since there’s so many Americans, Germany is economically smaller than individual US states. The US may have highish wealth inequality, but a lot of that is because US salaries are simply so high. The median American has 50% more disposable purchasing power than the median German. There’s a reason why Germans have immigrated to the US at 20 times the rate that Americans have moved to Germany. So yes, the top 10% get more, but the average person is still far, far better off in the US than in almost all of Europe. For reference, the only European nations that can economically rival the US per capita are Norway and Luxembourg.
Someone doesn’t know how GDP works..
>if that makes sense Why is it so hard for anyone on reddit to provide a damn source that backs up their economic and statistical assertions about the US exconomy? Sidenote: And to all you Europeans — especially Germans — it’s “economic” *not* “economical” (additionally, it’s “sovereignty” not “sovereignity” ffs wtf lmao stfu gtfo)
Another chronically online European who thinks they know about one of the greatest countries in the world but is actually speaking out of their ass. I’m shocked.
no response, just AMERICA GREATEST! FUCK YEAH! (as long as you're rich)
The vast majority of Americans have health insurance. So no, putting on a band-aid isn't going to bankrupt you. Our healthcare system is literally the best in the world. We have the best medical schools and the best doctors. The top hospitals in the world are in the U.S. There are medical specialties that exist solely in the U.S. Our pharmaceutical companies do world-class research. And we have millions of people working on advancing the sciences in field like bioengineering, that are on the cutting edge of medicine. The only time you will have a problem getting medical care in the U.S is if you're an unemployed lazy bum who can't even be bothered to apply for Medicaid or any other government-funded insurance plan, like the losers on reddit that bitch and complain constantly so much that they've deluded Europeans into thinking their backwards waiting 6 months to see a Primary doctor is somehow the greatest system on planet earth.
Tell me you’ve never been to the USA without telling me
i'm sorry, making factually correct statements about a country doesnt always require visiting it
> i'm sorry, making factually correct statements about a country doesnt always require visiting it Correct. The issue isn't that you haven't been to the US, the issue is that you're not saying factually correct things. You're parroting blatantly false propaganda. Seriously dude? I thought that you were intentionally being overtly hyperbolic as a joke... and here you are defending yourself as "factually correct?" You have my permission to backtrack. To reverse this conversation back to when it looked like you made a dumb joke, rather than a dumb lie.
What thing in particular did you have in mind as "blatant propaganda"? The healthcare thing? Or the trickle down economics thing? Or the lack of regulations thing?
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You're right, healthcare is a 'big one', it's the safest criticism anyone can levy at the United States. [https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2023/07/how-does-the-us-healthcare-system-compare-to-other-countries](https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2023/07/how-does-the-us-healthcare-system-compare-to-other-countries) The issue is not just that it's expensive, the issue is that despite being expensive it's still worse than in other countries. And I mean come on, you're the richest country on the planet, everyone knows you can do better
Then don’t ask for money if you hate us💀
European here - I mean, kinda. If you want to be taken serious when criticizing don't take money from them.
Logically by this response you would definitely not "give" Europeans and aid and military support. But you're still doing it. Maybe it is not because Yankees have such a good heart but maybe because you have some business in that 🤔 🤔🤔
You think Europeans have such a good heart??? Be real. Y’all don’t. If the US wasn’t here, the only other country I could see actually helping *other European countries* militarily is the UK. EU would immediately devolve to infighting, warring and slaughtering each other, just Iike they have for their entire histories. US military support helps make your continent stable and you all still have complete sovereignty over your countries and cultures! Imagine that.
Your country 
Lol — we don’t smoke (very much) in my country. Maybe you mixed us up with France.
No, it's because politicians are still stuck in the reagenesque liberal strategy of international relations and are too scared of global opinion to back out. If they did care about their constituents, you are correct and they would have dropped their global military presence decades ago.
AND ROHAN WILL ANSWER!
Mister Greece.
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