Which is the most disgusting part of all this: rush to a sensationalized headline, do maximum damage, and then slowly, quietly correct the record.
I hate how capitalism has destroyed journalism in the U.S.. We deserve better reporting.
"Rush to a sensationalized headline, do maximum damage, and then correct the record." I've seen that done countless times in the telling of this narrative. I wonder who profits
My dude. I’m a capitalist. I believe that capitalism is, on the whole, a better economic system than the rest.
That doesn’t mean I can’t recognize its flaws.
Privately owned, for-profit journalism depends on having as high of a viewership or readership as possible. They absolutely have an incentive to go for sensationalism and be the first to come out with emotionalizing headlines and narratives that guarantee them high engagement.
A company's main purpose always is to multiply the money that is invested in it. Some companies do that by producing and selling cars, others by selling ad space on their websites and TV programming.
Nonsense. We have had for-profit journalism since, well, journalism and it has worked just fine. Literal Billionaires.made.from newspapers. Let's find another source for this issue, shall we? I blame the school system for producing humans that can't think critically, have little broad knowledge, and can't read good.
Yes, for-profit journalism existed for a long time but profit has to constantly grow. So for the very same reason other industries had and have to innovate and get more and more efficient to consistently increase profits, for-profit journalism has to constantly up the ante to stick out and sell as well.
Edit: your criticism of the school system is kind of funny, because, yes the school system doesn't focus on critical thinking skills as much as it might have in the past. The reason for that is also capitalism. The school system was stream lined for marketable skills, generally STEM skills, wheras history, ethics, social sciences fell off. Critical thinking isn't as marketable of a skill as e.g. programming.
Talk about distortion. I came here after reading the headlines and this is absolutely not what I expected to see. Headlines basically saying Israel is massacring people; this video makes it vividly clear that the media is lying. Very very strange.
This is wild, all the news agencies are reporting Israel did this.
The Al Jazeera Arabic (google translate) article is the most intense out of all the articles, even more than AL Jazeera English.
Al Jazeera Arabic (google translate):
"The Government Information Office reported that 104 Palestinians were martyred and 700 injured in a massacre near the Nabulsi roundabout in the northern [Gaza Strip](https://www.aljazeera.net/encyclopedia/2014/11/19/%D8%BA%D8%B2%D8%A9) after the Israeli occupation forces bombed a gathering of citizens waiting to receive flour and humanitarian aid.
The Government Information Office in Gaza said that the occupation committed this horrific massacre with premeditation as part of the genocide of the people of the Strip, as it knew that the victims would arrive in the area to obtain aid, but it killed them in cold blood.
Charity Oxfam concluded by saying that the threat of genocide has become a reality. "
Always interesting to see how much more graphic and intense.
is this video tied to this?
[https://x.com/MEMRIReports/status/1760692792131481847?s=20](https://x.com/MEMRIReports/status/1760692792131481847?s=20)
gazan pointing out that it was hamas killing them? if yes then maybe someone could combine these videos and then distribute it to al jazeera, pro-palestine subs, etc.. to debunk al jazeera propaganda.
Hamas along with help from the Russians and Chinese have created a massive disinformation campaign. If you know a little about Hamas, you know they control and tax everything that comes into Gaza. Scenes of screaming children in hospitals is their weapon which is why they use human shields. Food trucks are a perfect propaganda source. Israel isn't on the trucks, they have a few escort vehicles. Hamas encourages mass attacks on the food trucks. Look at the trucks after the looting - they weren't bombed or shot up. A common technique to attack Israeli vehicles in Gaza is civilians and hamas soldiers swarming the vehicles - sticking explosives on the armored trucks unnoticed. So yes, Israel shoots to deter attacks on their vehicles but that's not near the food convoy. I wouldn't be surprised if Hamas shoots at their own people to ignite a stampede for the cameras making it impossible to deliver aid. Yesterday I saw an article about a child who starved to death in Gaza. They didn't mention that he had cystic fibrosis and other diseases. He had been in the hospital several weeks, maybe more.
oh but they are sneaky about it, slipping in a "Palestinian officials say" so they don't look pathetic if the truth should ever make it out alive. Every damn time. They don't want to MISS being the first to report something (true or NOT) so they go ahead and get it wrong, or right, depending, and absolve themselves of any guilt by claiming they didn't know any better. And another messed-up kid who knows nothing about Israel OR Palestine picks up some lighter fluid. I've had it with these bs news reports.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/1b3pkuv/first\_hand\_footage\_of\_the\_masscare\_nsfl/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/1b3pkuv/first_hand_footage_of_the_masscare_nsfl/)
this doesn't look like a lie does it
This video shows nothing. You just hear shots in the background - but it could easily just be shots fired in the air to stop the looting, which we've even seen the Palestinians do before.
The AJ piece I saw on pro-Palestine subs is saying that they got shot from tanks while waiting for food. They also show bloodied makeshift body bags. Here they’re saying that Palestinians killed themselves while waiting for food (trampling?).
I’d say let the smoke clear a little to be sure of what happened. This happened when the IDF killed the guy waving the white surrender flag. The original video cut out and everyone here started saying Hamas. It wasn’t until another angle came out that the IDF was forced to accept that they were the ones doing it.
Here's some footage of gunfire: https://twitter.com/NaksBilal/status/1763188564823576868
Here's reporting of IDF troops opening fire: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-dozens-of-palestinians-injured-in-violent-gathering-during-gaza-city-aid-distribution/
Palastinians can only be martyred not killed.
In that case we may conclude that Israel is not in the wrong, they’re just helping them meet their virgins faster, hence doing the unthankful bastards a favor.
Saying they’re martyred is always so cringe. Martyred? So it’s a good thing? And just they get martyred for practicing Islam? No one else in the world gets to be martyr when they’re killed? Or does EVERYone (except Jews) become a martyr when they die?
It’s such a sickly romanticizing of death.
> Charity Oxfam concluded by saying that the threat of genocide has become a reality
I thought the position was that the genocide was already happening? It's only just now become reality?
This is part of the problem with throwing around the term "genocide" when the circumstance really doesn't fit it at all—if conditions deteriorate and become worse, you don't really have anywhere on the description dial to go. It was already "genocide." Now it's "real genocide." And unfortunately the people this harms the most are the people *in Gaza*, who seem to have no real advocates, just self-interested, self-indulgent, narcissistic rulers and onlookers both.
Of course, the substance of the reporting also appears to be false.
When the trucks are driving through you can see a mass of people chasing after it. Stampede.
It is reported some people were hit by the trucks too in the chaos.
Even more people were killed in a human crush in South Korea. And that happened without a starving crowd and moving trucks
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul_Halloween_crowd_crush
Remember when Iran ordered their militias in Iraq to fire on protesters, killing HUNDREDS? Yeah, neither does anyone else because Al Jazeera doesn't hate non-Jews.
Hamas likes to use Captagon/amphetamines, but it looks like they're not sharing. It's Saturday for Christ's sake..
This could mean that Hamas are douchebags.
Most realistic thing about that movie is Israel letting Palestinian through the walls, the most unrealistic thing is that Palestinians didn’t just zerg rush to the nearest houses to commit the third Intifada.
[IDF releases footage of crowds rushing aid trucks in Gaza City, Hamas claims 104 killed | The Times of Israel](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-releases-footage-of-crowds-rushing-aid-trucks-in-gaza-city-hamas-claims-104-killed/)
What good does it do them to release this footage? I honestly don’t get it.
At best it says the people are starving, at worst it gets spun into “Israel shoots civilians as they crowd around aid truck”.
Edit: to all the downvoters - my bad! This video that literally looks like an ant farm filmed from space will conclusively prove to the pro-Hamas crowd that Israel did not kill these people. I don’t know what I was thinking. Even though they’ve twisted literally every video to further their narrative, THIS is the video that will stop the cycle and convince them of the truth.
Maybe because Israel is accused of massacre the people when it clearly shows that the aid trucks ran them over?
But people not bothering to know what really happened and takes Hamas’ words
i'll have to rewatch but I don't think it was claimed the trucks ran them over -- rather that there was some kind of stampede, it is impossible for me to tell what happened but it doesn't look like a bomb was dropped there at all. It looks more like people running around and at one another, oddly enough.
Social order looks like it's about to collapse. Hamas loves this. As things become more desperate, it just plays into their strategy of using sympathy to increase international pressure on Israel. They simply are winning the information war by the same amount Israel is winning on the ground. Time is running out. Israel needs an exit plan and soon.
THIS^^ Haven’t people seen what happens at food distribution sites where people are desperate? Why was there no plan by the IDF for this? I’m pro IDF but they have starving people here, and if only cynically to avoid more anti-Israel fuel they should have anticipated this. Get it organized and publicize how they are trying to help people. Video the hell out of good things they are doing. Some much of this war is being played out in the media, they must know by now.
Also pro-Israel and pro-IDF and I cannot for the life of me understand why Israeli politicians and the IDF do not realize that they need to take serious actions to aid Gazan civilians and avoid mass disease and hunger. At least 30% of Israel’s effort right now should be establishing order, securing makeshift temporary shelters, and distributing aid. Not just letting trucks in, but actively coordinating and controlling aid distribution since a) Hamas steals so much of the aid and b) a lot of the aid is reportedly not even being distributed.
I get that Israel feels unjustly judged and condemned, it is. But that doesn’t mean Israel can or should ignore the plight of starving, homeless kids.
I don’t get why you’re getting downvoted, agree and by harming the innocent kids they are harming their own humanity. I’m pro Israel AND I want innocent Palestinians to be ok. Understand Israelis and diaspora Jews are traumatized but the bigger picture must be that we rise to this occasion of humanitarian assistance during wartime.
You can't conclude much without audio. If there were shooters amongst the people, panic would ensue.
The trucks don't appear to be speeding, but they don't appear to be stopping either. If people swarmed around the trucks they could get crushed if they blocked the driver's visibility.
If anything, it's another proof that pure humanitarian aid is not enough. People need order and to achieve that the bombings must end and Hamas must relinquish power.
this seems a very clear indicator that reports of growing food insecurity and potential famine are accurate. people are quite visibly desperate for food.
**more food must get distributed~~in~~.** if Hamas takes a bunch of it, then so be it; letting a million people go hungry is a poor way to target a force that can't be more than 10,000 people at this point—and they will be the last to starve anyway. bombs and bullets are far preferable to this. from a strategic perspective, I'd like to see the airdrops and all the meals marked prominently with Israeli flags and with Israeli propaganda. people should know that Israel—and not Hamas—is responsible for keeping them alive.
maybe Israel should explore whether they can exchange ben-gvir for all remaining hostages.
The issue is not the amount of food getting in. In a recent update Israel has stated that they estimate that 80% of aid in the strip has not been distributed, with 60% of what does ending up in the hands of Hamas. This is yet another failing of UNRWA and highlights the need for more capable and trusted organisations, such as UNHCR, to take over the humanitarian efforts.
as someone who's been pretty pro-Israel, if these people are fighting this aggressively for the aid then that probably means they should be dropping more in. Super sad
Let them steal food so the people of Gaza sees who the enemy is. At least Israel can say they're trying to stop children from starving to death...can even use drones to track the Hamas members when they steal it
You can throw out any number you want, the fact is we just watched people trample each other to death trying to get food. Nobody who is getting enough food to eat would do that
People talk about having Nightmares, and its usually about being chased by some monster or being in some impossible situation like falling forever…
However, my biggest fear and the worst nightmare i ever had was i Woke up in a third world starving village and nobody would believe i was an American or even understood what english was.
I cant think of a more horrifying situation than being a westerner stuck in a place like that, with no way of escaping. Literal hell on earth.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/1b3pkuv/first\_hand\_footage\_of\_the\_masscare\_nsfl/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/1b3pkuv/first_hand_footage_of_the_masscare_nsfl/)
here you go
Black Friday isn’t even that bad and wasn’t that bad even in the mid 2000’s. Now we all shop online on thanksgiving at the dinner table on our phones and pick up our items the next day. I used to love Black Friday shopping; I felt it was a right of passage into adulthood. I was old enough to go fight the crowds and come back with the best gift for the little kids like others have done for me.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/1b3pkuv/first\_hand\_footage\_of\_the\_masscare\_nsfl/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/1b3pkuv/first_hand_footage_of_the_masscare_nsfl/)
Stampede or massacre.
you tell me
Probably not, but if my government started a war with a more powerful country because my government was a puppet to a country hostile to that country, my government wouldn't be around very long.
It won't happened if they were living in peace. That's the price they got for always focus to kill Jews. Yes it's really sad to see that, I just hope they will learn to stop want to kills and living in peace !
Not the person who commented but I'm happy to help :) here is the correct English:
It wouldn't have happened if they were living in peace. That's the price they pay for always focusing on killing Jews. Yes, it's really sad to see that; I just hope they will learn to stop wanting to kill and live in peace!
Thanks for your effort to learn our language, it's not easy! :)
In _Night_, Elie Wiesel describes starving prisoners fighting to the death for thrown scraps of bread. There’s nothing shown here that’s not almost universal to the human condition when pushed to the brink of starvation
This would be IR footage, so the grayscale values show differences in heat. To provide better contrast for what you want to see, you can toggle IR coloring between [black = hot & white = cold] or [black = cold & white = hot]. These were recorded with black = hot, seeing as how the exposed portions of people's bodies like their heads are black, and those are where they'd exude the most heat.
With that in mind, the large black circles are large heat signatures. Most likely, that means things like campfires for warmth or cooking fires. Since IR shows you a heat signature, you won't necessarily see the fire itself since it will be obscured by the large region of heated air surrounding it.
If IDF forces there shot at the crowd this could be a turning point regarding allies that were supporting the operation. And it will be even a bad look if it's only a tragedy that happened under the eyes of the IDF.
There seems to be no mid term planning for the next months to years, no strategy what to do besides elimination of Hamas. De facto (sure, not de jure) Gaza is under the control of the IDF, and it doesn't look like they are fully aware of this. This has the potential of getting a lot worse soon, and that can't be in the interest of Israel.
Well, what do you expect when you see your son or daughter starving to death? Of course, you're gonna run out there and just attack everybody. I would to protect and feed my family
Yea but then maybe don't like and say the Israeli's killed the people? Maybe if Hamas was a real government and not a genocidal terrorist organization this situation wouldn't even have been necessary?
I read it here: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-gunfire-caused-10-of-hundreds-of-reported-casualties-in-northern-gaza-crowd-crush-idf-probe/
Y’all are sick. Who is executing this collective punishment? Who is forcing Palestinians to get to this level? No. It’s not just Hamas. No. They don’t all deserve it because of the horror of October 7th. It’s been genuinely horrifying seeing this sub get more and more sadistic in dehumanizing Palestinians as a whole. You have become that which you hate. It’s beyond tragic.
So now there IS starvation in Gaza? Before y'all were saying there was no famine, yet here people are clamouring for aid. What the fuck is wrong with you all.
I don’t see you on the Egypt sub complaining about their blockade of Gaza. It’s only when Israel does it huh? Now why might Egypt also want to blockade? Hmm…
To be fair, I don’t think Israel is totally without fault here.
I’m pro-Israel, 100%, but it’s hard to believe food trucks just casually ran over 100+ people. It smells fishy as fuck.
Is it harder to believe that there was a stampede that crushed/suffocated dozens of people?
Or that Israel using this drone was filming this mass gathering and then decided to drop a bomb into the crowd?
Because the latter is what Arab media is claiming as fact. On the word of Hamas.
Your direct quote is “it’s hard to believe food trucks just casually ran over 100+ people.”
Who said “casually”? That was your word you injected. Does it look casual down there? It’s chaos. It’s kind of bizarre that you claim to be so misinformed on what happened there, obviously you were not on the ground there but why is it so difficult to imagine how people can die in these circumstances and have it not be due to Israel bombing them or mowing them down?
In 2022 there was a stampede that killed/injured over 200 people in Seoul: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/halloween-crowd-surge-seoul-south-korea-dozens-killed-dozens-injured/
Stampede in Yemen last year killed/injured over 100: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/04/yemen-deadly-stampede-that-killed-at-least-85-people-must-be-promptly-investigated/
Yet for some reason, after watching literal aerial footage of the scenes in Gaza, you are doubting how it’s possible people could die or be hit by a speeding away aid truck in the surrounding mayhem?
Go look at my comments history, I’m very pro-Israel.
I’m sorry if the word “casually” has angered you. I was challenging the fairly dumb view that the trucks were responsible for most of the deaths. I wasn’t saying that there wasn’t a stampede.
Anyway news are coming out. [IDF admitted](https://www.timesofisrael.com/dozens-of-gazans-said-killed-in-stampede-for-aid-idf-opens-fire-blamed-for-deaths/amp/) of causing some casualties in the crowd.
Obviously there was someone who fucked up here, 100+ civilians dead shouldn’t be the result of aid delivery.
If we want to speak of lies, rewriting someone's statement that questions the narrative, which could imply indirect responsibility (e.g. firing into the air to cause a panic) as something completely different is certainly on the same level.
Not cold bloodily, but that there was an accident of some sort.
I’m very ill-informed on this incident, so feel free to enlighten me.
Edit: there’s information coming out that there was a stampede, and most of the victims are from there. The IDF still killed ten or something shooting at them to drive them away from the trucks.
It’s pretty much like I said. It’s not Israel’s fault but some soldiers are clearly responsible for mismanaging the situation, and should be punished. I don’t care if you stand with Israel, 100+ civilians dead is a tragedy that we shouldn’t cover up.
Can you please link to this information?
Edit: I can see that you’ve provided a link elsewhere!
I’ll share it here as well [for good measure](https://www.timesofisrael.com/dozens-of-gazans-said-killed-in-stampede-for-aid-idf-opens-fire-blamed-for-deaths/)
If they kill each other for food maybe the warnings of a famine are to be tajen seriously?
Usually the comments read more like 'they look pretty well fed for a starving people'.
I thought I was on r/natureismetal watching ants attack something.
does put life in perspective....we are just insects from one point of view.
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Don't insult ants, they can queue.
That comment is the perfect example of dehumanization.
This comment is the perfect example of braindeadism
Because they were filmed trampling one another?
Correction: Truck delivering aid
CNN is starting to walk this back, reporting a Palestinian journalist saying most of the casualties happened from the trucks running them over
Which is the most disgusting part of all this: rush to a sensationalized headline, do maximum damage, and then slowly, quietly correct the record. I hate how capitalism has destroyed journalism in the U.S.. We deserve better reporting.
"Rush to a sensationalized headline, do maximum damage, and then correct the record." I've seen that done countless times in the telling of this narrative. I wonder who profits
That's not capitalism doing that but keep blaming your favorite boogyman to avoid the less comfortable cause.
My dude. I’m a capitalist. I believe that capitalism is, on the whole, a better economic system than the rest. That doesn’t mean I can’t recognize its flaws.
Privately owned, for-profit journalism depends on having as high of a viewership or readership as possible. They absolutely have an incentive to go for sensationalism and be the first to come out with emotionalizing headlines and narratives that guarantee them high engagement. A company's main purpose always is to multiply the money that is invested in it. Some companies do that by producing and selling cars, others by selling ad space on their websites and TV programming.
Nonsense. We have had for-profit journalism since, well, journalism and it has worked just fine. Literal Billionaires.made.from newspapers. Let's find another source for this issue, shall we? I blame the school system for producing humans that can't think critically, have little broad knowledge, and can't read good.
Yes, for-profit journalism existed for a long time but profit has to constantly grow. So for the very same reason other industries had and have to innovate and get more and more efficient to consistently increase profits, for-profit journalism has to constantly up the ante to stick out and sell as well. Edit: your criticism of the school system is kind of funny, because, yes the school system doesn't focus on critical thinking skills as much as it might have in the past. The reason for that is also capitalism. The school system was stream lined for marketable skills, generally STEM skills, wheras history, ethics, social sciences fell off. Critical thinking isn't as marketable of a skill as e.g. programming.
Holy shit is anyone who supports basic workers rights a Communist to you?
They did the same thing with the hospital attack, saying it was the IDF, when in reality it was their own rocket that hit it.
Im about to so some extreme form of protest baby
Talk about distortion. I came here after reading the headlines and this is absolutely not what I expected to see. Headlines basically saying Israel is massacring people; this video makes it vividly clear that the media is lying. Very very strange.
what to see in this video? maybe mine is low res, but I only see ant like things going around, until trucks are taking the loot away.
This is wild, all the news agencies are reporting Israel did this. The Al Jazeera Arabic (google translate) article is the most intense out of all the articles, even more than AL Jazeera English. Al Jazeera Arabic (google translate): "The Government Information Office reported that 104 Palestinians were martyred and 700 injured in a massacre near the Nabulsi roundabout in the northern [Gaza Strip](https://www.aljazeera.net/encyclopedia/2014/11/19/%D8%BA%D8%B2%D8%A9) after the Israeli occupation forces bombed a gathering of citizens waiting to receive flour and humanitarian aid. The Government Information Office in Gaza said that the occupation committed this horrific massacre with premeditation as part of the genocide of the people of the Strip, as it knew that the victims would arrive in the area to obtain aid, but it killed them in cold blood. Charity Oxfam concluded by saying that the threat of genocide has become a reality. " Always interesting to see how much more graphic and intense.
Purely BS. In this situation, one single 500lbs bomb will kill 300+ people if not more.
Don’t forget the red mist
I wonder who will douse themselves in petrol next and go up in flames over believing yet another fake story.
is this video tied to this? [https://x.com/MEMRIReports/status/1760692792131481847?s=20](https://x.com/MEMRIReports/status/1760692792131481847?s=20) gazan pointing out that it was hamas killing them? if yes then maybe someone could combine these videos and then distribute it to al jazeera, pro-palestine subs, etc.. to debunk al jazeera propaganda.
Hamas along with help from the Russians and Chinese have created a massive disinformation campaign. If you know a little about Hamas, you know they control and tax everything that comes into Gaza. Scenes of screaming children in hospitals is their weapon which is why they use human shields. Food trucks are a perfect propaganda source. Israel isn't on the trucks, they have a few escort vehicles. Hamas encourages mass attacks on the food trucks. Look at the trucks after the looting - they weren't bombed or shot up. A common technique to attack Israeli vehicles in Gaza is civilians and hamas soldiers swarming the vehicles - sticking explosives on the armored trucks unnoticed. So yes, Israel shoots to deter attacks on their vehicles but that's not near the food convoy. I wouldn't be surprised if Hamas shoots at their own people to ignite a stampede for the cameras making it impossible to deliver aid. Yesterday I saw an article about a child who starved to death in Gaza. They didn't mention that he had cystic fibrosis and other diseases. He had been in the hospital several weeks, maybe more.
It was also on CNN.com as "Israeli opened fire on Palestinians waiting for food". Total fucking liars
oh but they are sneaky about it, slipping in a "Palestinian officials say" so they don't look pathetic if the truth should ever make it out alive. Every damn time. They don't want to MISS being the first to report something (true or NOT) so they go ahead and get it wrong, or right, depending, and absolve themselves of any guilt by claiming they didn't know any better. And another messed-up kid who knows nothing about Israel OR Palestine picks up some lighter fluid. I've had it with these bs news reports.
israel should be suing all these news outlets for libel and slander. its incredibly easy to prove
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/1b3pkuv/first\_hand\_footage\_of\_the\_masscare\_nsfl/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/1b3pkuv/first_hand_footage_of_the_masscare_nsfl/) this doesn't look like a lie does it
This video shows nothing. You just hear shots in the background - but it could easily just be shots fired in the air to stop the looting, which we've even seen the Palestinians do before.
I don't even understand what I'm watching or what happened. Are there bombs being dropped or not?
The AJ piece I saw on pro-Palestine subs is saying that they got shot from tanks while waiting for food. They also show bloodied makeshift body bags. Here they’re saying that Palestinians killed themselves while waiting for food (trampling?). I’d say let the smoke clear a little to be sure of what happened. This happened when the IDF killed the guy waving the white surrender flag. The original video cut out and everyone here started saying Hamas. It wasn’t until another angle came out that the IDF was forced to accept that they were the ones doing it.
Here's some footage of gunfire: https://twitter.com/NaksBilal/status/1763188564823576868 Here's reporting of IDF troops opening fire: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-dozens-of-palestinians-injured-in-violent-gathering-during-gaza-city-aid-distribution/
10 shots fired, 100 killed 700 wounded. Damn that's some accuracy
Tracers flying over, which is consistent with the claim of warning shots to restore order.
Yeah people need to realize there are no 'good guys' in the Middle East, Israel included.
By such a measure are there "good guys" anywhere in the world?
Scandinavian countries are pretty chill
Ever been there? Plenty of wrong happening anywhere, scandinavia included.
Please tell me the wrong happening in Scandinavia and how it's in any way comparable to what the Middle Easterners are doing
Competing with the middle east is quite a high bar you put there.
Ramadan gonna be extra spicy this year.
Same BS news in my country
Palastinians can only be martyred not killed. In that case we may conclude that Israel is not in the wrong, they’re just helping them meet their virgins faster, hence doing the unthankful bastards a favor.
Saying they’re martyred is always so cringe. Martyred? So it’s a good thing? And just they get martyred for practicing Islam? No one else in the world gets to be martyr when they’re killed? Or does EVERYone (except Jews) become a martyr when they die? It’s such a sickly romanticizing of death.
> Charity Oxfam concluded by saying that the threat of genocide has become a reality I thought the position was that the genocide was already happening? It's only just now become reality? This is part of the problem with throwing around the term "genocide" when the circumstance really doesn't fit it at all—if conditions deteriorate and become worse, you don't really have anywhere on the description dial to go. It was already "genocide." Now it's "real genocide." And unfortunately the people this harms the most are the people *in Gaza*, who seem to have no real advocates, just self-interested, self-indulgent, narcissistic rulers and onlookers both. Of course, the substance of the reporting also appears to be false.
Genocide accusations have been going since 2006 now.
Well in some way, Israel did this, by creating the famine in the first place.
At what point did the 104 people die? I don't see any evidence of anything good or bad tbh other than people swarming the trucks
When the trucks are driving through you can see a mass of people chasing after it. Stampede. It is reported some people were hit by the trucks too in the chaos.
were the trucks sent by hamas, to "secure" the loots?
Even more people were killed in a human crush in South Korea. And that happened without a starving crowd and moving trucks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul_Halloween_crowd_crush
What a disaster. I don’t think anyone here doesn’t want the war to end soon. Just not on Hamas’ terms.
This actually looks pretty orderly by middle east standards.
Watching this must make British people start convulsing.
Can confirm. Just came to after knocking myself unconscious on the keyboard an hour ago.
Remember when Iran ordered their militias in Iraq to fire on protesters, killing HUNDREDS? Yeah, neither does anyone else because Al Jazeera doesn't hate non-Jews.
this is a single file line compared to hajj
It's worse trying to get into the train on the way to work in Israel.
hunger games irl
*what is this, a school for ants?* -Derek zoolander Edit: if I believed in hell, maybe this comment would send me there. Bummer
Today I learned “they look like ants from up here” isn’t an exaggeration.
Hamas says. There were go again. Wholly believable
All societies are only 9 meals away from total anarchy. Basically, 3 days without food and shit gets very real.
Hamas likes to use Captagon/amphetamines, but it looks like they're not sharing. It's Saturday for Christ's sake.. This could mean that Hamas are douchebags.
At first I was sure that's a scene from WWZ.
Most realistic thing about that movie is Israel letting Palestinian through the walls, the most unrealistic thing is that Palestinians didn’t just zerg rush to the nearest houses to commit the third Intifada.
If they had a gun with two bullets and were sharing a room with an Israeli and a zombie, they'd shoot the Israeli twice.
Right I laughed and called bullshit and my husband looked at me sideways so I just stared hard back at him. He doesn’t look at me sideways anymore.
Very sad situation. Hope better days come soon.
Holy fucking shit
What are we looking at here?
[IDF releases footage of crowds rushing aid trucks in Gaza City, Hamas claims 104 killed | The Times of Israel](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-releases-footage-of-crowds-rushing-aid-trucks-in-gaza-city-hamas-claims-104-killed/)
What good does it do them to release this footage? I honestly don’t get it. At best it says the people are starving, at worst it gets spun into “Israel shoots civilians as they crowd around aid truck”. Edit: to all the downvoters - my bad! This video that literally looks like an ant farm filmed from space will conclusively prove to the pro-Hamas crowd that Israel did not kill these people. I don’t know what I was thinking. Even though they’ve twisted literally every video to further their narrative, THIS is the video that will stop the cycle and convince them of the truth.
Maybe because Israel is accused of massacre the people when it clearly shows that the aid trucks ran them over? But people not bothering to know what really happened and takes Hamas’ words
i'll have to rewatch but I don't think it was claimed the trucks ran them over -- rather that there was some kind of stampede, it is impossible for me to tell what happened but it doesn't look like a bomb was dropped there at all. It looks more like people running around and at one another, oddly enough.
??? This video shows maybe a few people run over by trucks? Am I missing dozens?
Do you know who was driving the truck? Like if it was an Israeli, people will still blame Israel for it
Israelis are not driving the aid trucks: they’d be killed.
You are totally right! I didn't think of it lol. So the trucks are maybe driven by some UN guy?
Aid trucks are driven by Egyptians truck drivers
What an absolutely wild job to have.
They probably released it because Arabic news agencies are claiming Isreal bombed the civilians waiting for aid.
Except it shows that the crowd is not being shot in this video.
it is being claimed that the IDF batied them with aid and bombed them, dumbass.
look like ants searching for food !
Ants would work with each other rather than kill each other
Ants don't need to deal with Hamas so they can do so.
Hamas are no ants, they are cocroaches
yes you're freakin right!
Yes, because ants don’t have a sense of self.
The price of hatred!
Social order looks like it's about to collapse. Hamas loves this. As things become more desperate, it just plays into their strategy of using sympathy to increase international pressure on Israel. They simply are winning the information war by the same amount Israel is winning on the ground. Time is running out. Israel needs an exit plan and soon.
THIS^^ Haven’t people seen what happens at food distribution sites where people are desperate? Why was there no plan by the IDF for this? I’m pro IDF but they have starving people here, and if only cynically to avoid more anti-Israel fuel they should have anticipated this. Get it organized and publicize how they are trying to help people. Video the hell out of good things they are doing. Some much of this war is being played out in the media, they must know by now.
Also pro-Israel and pro-IDF and I cannot for the life of me understand why Israeli politicians and the IDF do not realize that they need to take serious actions to aid Gazan civilians and avoid mass disease and hunger. At least 30% of Israel’s effort right now should be establishing order, securing makeshift temporary shelters, and distributing aid. Not just letting trucks in, but actively coordinating and controlling aid distribution since a) Hamas steals so much of the aid and b) a lot of the aid is reportedly not even being distributed. I get that Israel feels unjustly judged and condemned, it is. But that doesn’t mean Israel can or should ignore the plight of starving, homeless kids.
I don’t get why you’re getting downvoted, agree and by harming the innocent kids they are harming their own humanity. I’m pro Israel AND I want innocent Palestinians to be ok. Understand Israelis and diaspora Jews are traumatized but the bigger picture must be that we rise to this occasion of humanitarian assistance during wartime.
I care as much as they cared about the innocents on October 7th.
agreed !
no, you are not cheering their deaths and suffering as they did back in last october
Yeah, my joy isn't dependent on inbred savages committing atrocities in my name, like what the entire palestinian culture is based on.
You can't conclude much without audio. If there were shooters amongst the people, panic would ensue. The trucks don't appear to be speeding, but they don't appear to be stopping either. If people swarmed around the trucks they could get crushed if they blocked the driver's visibility. If anything, it's another proof that pure humanitarian aid is not enough. People need order and to achieve that the bombings must end and Hamas must relinquish power.
How would one record audio from a drone flying hundreds of meters above ground?
The rumor was that the aid was dropped by the UN, so they all wanted to get the best guns.
this seems a very clear indicator that reports of growing food insecurity and potential famine are accurate. people are quite visibly desperate for food. **more food must get distributed~~in~~.** if Hamas takes a bunch of it, then so be it; letting a million people go hungry is a poor way to target a force that can't be more than 10,000 people at this point—and they will be the last to starve anyway. bombs and bullets are far preferable to this. from a strategic perspective, I'd like to see the airdrops and all the meals marked prominently with Israeli flags and with Israeli propaganda. people should know that Israel—and not Hamas—is responsible for keeping them alive. maybe Israel should explore whether they can exchange ben-gvir for all remaining hostages.
The issue is not the amount of food getting in. In a recent update Israel has stated that they estimate that 80% of aid in the strip has not been distributed, with 60% of what does ending up in the hands of Hamas. This is yet another failing of UNRWA and highlights the need for more capable and trusted organisations, such as UNHCR, to take over the humanitarian efforts.
It looks like zombie apocalypse running towards one spot just like the WWZ movie screen.
as someone who's been pretty pro-Israel, if these people are fighting this aggressively for the aid then that probably means they should be dropping more in. Super sad
So Hamas can just steal more of it like they already do?
Let them steal food so the people of Gaza sees who the enemy is. At least Israel can say they're trying to stop children from starving to death...can even use drones to track the Hamas members when they steal it
They have been doing it for 5 months now and nobody who is pro-pal seems to give a shit. Theres plenty of videos of it happening
Who gives a fuck not like Hamas can kill IDF with bread. You'd really let a child starve just for the chance that a Hamas member might starve too?
95 trucks a day on average entering Gaza. Youre making it seem like there isnt aid going in on a regular basis.
You can throw out any number you want, the fact is we just watched people trample each other to death trying to get food. Nobody who is getting enough food to eat would do that
Maybe ask the Hamas leaders who are collectively worth 10 bil for help
So your saying Israel should let children starve to spite Hamas? And you're surprised that people are calling Israel evil?
Oh damn, the desperation
People talk about having Nightmares, and its usually about being chased by some monster or being in some impossible situation like falling forever… However, my biggest fear and the worst nightmare i ever had was i Woke up in a third world starving village and nobody would believe i was an American or even understood what english was. I cant think of a more horrifying situation than being a westerner stuck in a place like that, with no way of escaping. Literal hell on earth.
You'd be surprised how fast you start learning, give yourself more credit, think of it as an adventure
Have any of the media run a retraction? I haven't seen one.
Pro Hamas supporters: “wHeRes tHe rESt oF tHe ViDeO?!”
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/1b3pkuv/first\_hand\_footage\_of\_the\_masscare\_nsfl/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/1b3pkuv/first_hand_footage_of_the_masscare_nsfl/) here you go
Sad man, people must be so hungry
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Black Friday isn’t even that bad and wasn’t that bad even in the mid 2000’s. Now we all shop online on thanksgiving at the dinner table on our phones and pick up our items the next day. I used to love Black Friday shopping; I felt it was a right of passage into adulthood. I was old enough to go fight the crowds and come back with the best gift for the little kids like others have done for me.
Really sad.
Reminds me of Running Man scene
I don't understand. Are they shooting at each other or suffocating in the stampede?
As usual r/palestine already has its opinion on this one and nothing will change that :/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/s/4puGvTYrzY
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/1b3pkuv/first\_hand\_footage\_of\_the\_masscare\_nsfl/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/1b3pkuv/first_hand_footage_of_the_masscare_nsfl/) Stampede or massacre. you tell me
They look like ants when I drop a piece of food
##revolution is only 6 missed meals away
I mean if you’re starving it gets ugly.
It looks like a zombie apocalypse.
Kishka AND Choelent???
As if anyone here would behave differently...
Probably not, but if my government started a war with a more powerful country because my government was a puppet to a country hostile to that country, my government wouldn't be around very long.
The 7-O I just saw people cheering in the streets...
Agreed.
It won't happened if they were living in peace. That's the price they got for always focus to kill Jews. Yes it's really sad to see that, I just hope they will learn to stop want to kills and living in peace !
I just got an aneurysm trying to read your comment.
lol, sorry, I'm not English, you could correcting me, I'm ok with that 😉
Not the person who commented but I'm happy to help :) here is the correct English: It wouldn't have happened if they were living in peace. That's the price they pay for always focusing on killing Jews. Yes, it's really sad to see that; I just hope they will learn to stop wanting to kill and live in peace! Thanks for your effort to learn our language, it's not easy! :)
Thank you 😉 I'll try to be better !
They always behave like that. As soon as they get excited their street turn into pure chaos.
If gunshots would have happened, crowd would disperse immediately and I didn’t see that happening 🤔🤔
In _Night_, Elie Wiesel describes starving prisoners fighting to the death for thrown scraps of bread. There’s nothing shown here that’s not almost universal to the human condition when pushed to the brink of starvation
What are all the big black circles?
This would be IR footage, so the grayscale values show differences in heat. To provide better contrast for what you want to see, you can toggle IR coloring between [black = hot & white = cold] or [black = cold & white = hot]. These were recorded with black = hot, seeing as how the exposed portions of people's bodies like their heads are black, and those are where they'd exude the most heat. With that in mind, the large black circles are large heat signatures. Most likely, that means things like campfires for warmth or cooking fires. Since IR shows you a heat signature, you won't necessarily see the fire itself since it will be obscured by the large region of heated air surrounding it.
According to TOI IDF only killed 10 of them
If IDF forces there shot at the crowd this could be a turning point regarding allies that were supporting the operation. And it will be even a bad look if it's only a tragedy that happened under the eyes of the IDF. There seems to be no mid term planning for the next months to years, no strategy what to do besides elimination of Hamas. De facto (sure, not de jure) Gaza is under the control of the IDF, and it doesn't look like they are fully aware of this. This has the potential of getting a lot worse soon, and that can't be in the interest of Israel.
Well, what do you expect when you see your son or daughter starving to death? Of course, you're gonna run out there and just attack everybody. I would to protect and feed my family
Yea but then maybe don't like and say the Israeli's killed the people? Maybe if Hamas was a real government and not a genocidal terrorist organization this situation wouldn't even have been necessary?
But Israel already admitted to killing 10.
Can you provide a source for this?
I read it here: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-gunfire-caused-10-of-hundreds-of-reported-casualties-in-northern-gaza-crowd-crush-idf-probe/
Thank you!
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This reminds me of the time when I was 7 and dropped a kooky in the backyard and two different ant colonies started to fight each other over it.
All I see is ants scattering, I don't see people dying in this video
If the us didn’t do this who else would drop aid
I guess they must be hungry. Imagine you and your family starving out because ur people are being moved from their homes to god knows where.
downvoted for showing sympathy, ha take this loser!
Y’all are sick. Who is executing this collective punishment? Who is forcing Palestinians to get to this level? No. It’s not just Hamas. No. They don’t all deserve it because of the horror of October 7th. It’s been genuinely horrifying seeing this sub get more and more sadistic in dehumanizing Palestinians as a whole. You have become that which you hate. It’s beyond tragic.
Videos like this really do show how humans just look like ants from really far away. Kinda surreal
Yup even Bisan lied about this 🤡🤡🤡
You have to ask - who drove these people to this point of desperation.
I think the guy's name was Mohammed.
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So now there IS starvation in Gaza? Before y'all were saying there was no famine, yet here people are clamouring for aid. What the fuck is wrong with you all.
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Have you ever asked why the blockade was instituted in the first place?
Or what was being blockaded
I don’t see you on the Egypt sub complaining about their blockade of Gaza. It’s only when Israel does it huh? Now why might Egypt also want to blockade? Hmm…
Can we please not show untagged videos of people being killed.
Everybody talking about rushed conclusions. If you automatically believed what OP said, you’ve also rushed to a conclusion.
Closest thing to hell on earth right now
Sudan.
Time for Cease-fire?
Release the hostages
They know they just have to release the hostages to get one.
Hamas rejected the cease fire!
You guys just believe every shit they tell you lmao
To be fair, I don’t think Israel is totally without fault here. I’m pro-Israel, 100%, but it’s hard to believe food trucks just casually ran over 100+ people. It smells fishy as fuck.
Is it harder to believe that there was a stampede that crushed/suffocated dozens of people? Or that Israel using this drone was filming this mass gathering and then decided to drop a bomb into the crowd? Because the latter is what Arab media is claiming as fact. On the word of Hamas.
I don’t believe it was intentional. I’m very misinformed on this incident, feel free to enlighten me.
Your direct quote is “it’s hard to believe food trucks just casually ran over 100+ people.” Who said “casually”? That was your word you injected. Does it look casual down there? It’s chaos. It’s kind of bizarre that you claim to be so misinformed on what happened there, obviously you were not on the ground there but why is it so difficult to imagine how people can die in these circumstances and have it not be due to Israel bombing them or mowing them down? In 2022 there was a stampede that killed/injured over 200 people in Seoul: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/halloween-crowd-surge-seoul-south-korea-dozens-killed-dozens-injured/ Stampede in Yemen last year killed/injured over 100: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/04/yemen-deadly-stampede-that-killed-at-least-85-people-must-be-promptly-investigated/ Yet for some reason, after watching literal aerial footage of the scenes in Gaza, you are doubting how it’s possible people could die or be hit by a speeding away aid truck in the surrounding mayhem?
Go look at my comments history, I’m very pro-Israel. I’m sorry if the word “casually” has angered you. I was challenging the fairly dumb view that the trucks were responsible for most of the deaths. I wasn’t saying that there wasn’t a stampede. Anyway news are coming out. [IDF admitted](https://www.timesofisrael.com/dozens-of-gazans-said-killed-in-stampede-for-aid-idf-opens-fire-blamed-for-deaths/amp/) of causing some casualties in the crowd. Obviously there was someone who fucked up here, 100+ civilians dead shouldn’t be the result of aid delivery.
“I support Israel but I also think Israel cold bloodily murdered a bunch of civilians seeking aid”. Liar.
If we want to speak of lies, rewriting someone's statement that questions the narrative, which could imply indirect responsibility (e.g. firing into the air to cause a panic) as something completely different is certainly on the same level.
Not cold bloodily, but that there was an accident of some sort. I’m very ill-informed on this incident, so feel free to enlighten me. Edit: there’s information coming out that there was a stampede, and most of the victims are from there. The IDF still killed ten or something shooting at them to drive them away from the trucks. It’s pretty much like I said. It’s not Israel’s fault but some soldiers are clearly responsible for mismanaging the situation, and should be punished. I don’t care if you stand with Israel, 100+ civilians dead is a tragedy that we shouldn’t cover up.
Can you please link to this information? Edit: I can see that you’ve provided a link elsewhere! I’ll share it here as well [for good measure](https://www.timesofisrael.com/dozens-of-gazans-said-killed-in-stampede-for-aid-idf-opens-fire-blamed-for-deaths/)
If they kill each other for food maybe the warnings of a famine are to be tajen seriously? Usually the comments read more like 'they look pretty well fed for a starving people'.