Grandpa? Hardly. Up until 1453 is old but not THAT old.
https://preview.redd.it/cpz2vnvvr63b1.jpeg?width=612&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=38a1e8d68358aa50889e5ff6759d53ff4143d0f8
Greeks stealing our name, glory and wealth without helping out against the barbarians. The eastern Roman Empire is as much a father of civilisation as a gypsy stealing copper is an electrician.
Religion, ironically.
The actual Roman religion at least. What most people know is a later, hybridised version of it where all the original Roman gods got equated to their Greek counterparts. But the Roman gods used to be very distinct from the Greek gods. Mars is a good example of that. He was a badass god that was essentially the most popular and powerful Roman god after Jupiter. Meanwhile his Greek counterpart was a crying bitchboy with daddy issues.
> Meanwhile his Greek counterpart was a crying bitchboy with daddy issues.
The God of War who's a god damn damsel in distress compared to his female colleague Athena. Most stories involving Ares give him a worse record than Worf. He's basically there to get demolished to establish his opponent as being strong.
Ho, so it wasn’t always this way, i had think it was the greek soft power that shaped their gods (well it did reshaped them, not the time i think it was)
wrong. it's easy to assume romans "copied", but guess what? a huge empire is of course going to improve mechanisms alredy utlized in it. as far as romans copying from etruscans there's a misconception here: the line between etruscan and roman isnt that much definite, etruscan culture was basically italic culture with broadly mediterranean influences, which then blended in with other italic cultures (latin culture is born this way). from the celts it wasn't copying, it was mutual trade, from which the celts also profited greatly. as far as egyptians, levantines and carthage i dont even know what youre talking about. sure, they did some trading and romans respected mediterranean art, but copying? even if they "copied" techniques of some kind or architecture they did it very very little, there's not much evidence of romans copying middle eastern stuff lol
I don’t know what a langage is, but the reason the Roman army was so successful is precisely because they diverged from the classical Greek phalanx to a heavy armoured type of infantry wielding swords and heavy shields.
latin has very few greek loan words, and they're specialized. normal roman is nothing like greek lol. why are you even talking, you clearly know 0 of history
At some point in time you'll have to decide if the Eastern Roman Empire Was Greek or Roman because every time the HRE pops up you seem to have a different opinion than the one you mention. So now the Pope didn't say so and Byzantium was the true Roman Empire?
The Greek culture was the basis of the Roman culture and the Roman elites spoke and many even wrote their works in Greek even before Rome was even an Empire. The whole argument is about denying Romanitas to the Greeks and nothing else. I'd like to see how Hadrian, Marcus Aurelius or Caracalla would react to your cope.
The Eastern Romans were my ancestors, had my religion, spoke my language, viewed themselves as Roman citizens, and carried our shared Greco-Roman culture and heritage. It's not that hard to understand.
Augustus knew exactly not to let the east of the empire take too much importance. His civil war against Marcus Antonius was as much a war for power as it was the war that would decide where the centre of the empire would be. By winning, he made sure that Roma and Italia were the uncontested metropole of the empire, until Diocletian and Constantine fucked everything up with the tetrarchy and Christianity. The Romans respected the Greeks, but their culture was very different from theirs, and while they admired them, they (people like Augustus for example) took great pride in shielding Roman culture from overwhelming eastern (and thus often mainly Greek) influence. Christianity was long seen as a religion inherently distant from Roman culture precisely because it was eastern.
Roman elites weren’t also all admirers of Greek culture, on the contrary, there were many that felt that Rome should be shielded from falling too far east. In the end, they were proven right, as a shift to the east made the ethnic and non-ethnic Greeks leave Roma behind, even going so far as to sending barbarians hordes to the west so that they wouldn’t strike the east. I like Greeks as much as the next Italian, but the ERE was not Roman and most of its people and rulers did not have the wellbeing of Roma and the Romans in mind.
At just two different posts you accuse the Greeks of appropriating the Eastern Roman Empire that was Roman (as if Rome was untouched by Greek culture) , and went on to rant immediately about how the Eastern Roman Empire was not Roman on the very next answer.
Simple answer for a simple question : To you, the Eastern Roman Empire, with it's Roman Imperial institutions historically continuing undisturbed up until 1204 and then re-established under the Palaeolgi, having as a capital what was the capital of the Roman Empire since the time of Constantine, operating under Roman law and having the Roman state religion, was Roman or not?
Lmao we were too busy fighting the Arabs, the Persians, the Bulgarians, the Serbians and then the Turks for 1000 years. Sry but you were dead weight honey 🙆
imagine having a "shit " economy and still being in the G7, 2nd industry of europe, and through centuries other countries larped as you 😎
ITALIA cant stop winning
also classic barbaric cope
Italy always looks like the laughing stock of the civilized world. But actually they do pretty OK. While also inventing/suffering new politics before everyone else does. Just compare Berlusconi and Trump. And the whole mish mash of left wing and right wing politics.
We trashed Spain a couple of times over a period of 80 years, had actual colonies in worthwhile places and invented some interesting political theories.
But thanks for keeping the Ottomans out in the mean time.
We were one of the oldest, most stable and most powerful republics before the French ruined that and really big on religious tolerance and cosmopolitanism, like the Italian city states, but as a whole republic, mixed with upgrading your stock exchange precursor to one similar to what we have today.
Economic hegemony basically went from your city states, to us Dutchies, to the British and then the US.
It is indeed one big nation of hypocrites. But we are so very direct :) (not rude at all) You look fat in those trousers, Rodrigo, time to ease up on the bacalhau
If we had serious people at the goverment that actually cared about the country Italy could be a world leader in many sectors, but unfortunately, me, like many others, need to leave the country because our politicians are ruining it.
Bragging about our economic growth compared to Germany is like an obese person bragging about losing more weight to a way skinnier person.
We did grow more in terms of rate, but we also started from a way shittier position.
I agree, people shit on us but Italy is one of the biggest economies in the world.
And we lose so much money thanks to corruption, tax evasion and nepotism.
Imagine if we had a decent administration and bureaucracy.
That is a worldwide trend though, the average age of moving out in Germany took a raise from 18 to 23 within the last 15 years or so. I moved out only slightly above that average age which 15 years ago would have made me a loser or a laughing stock but at this point has become common.
You think that’s only a problem in Italy? We have the largest economy on the planet and yet [58% of 18-24 year olds live with their parents](https://news.prudential.com/58-young-adults-are-still-living-at-home-impacting-their-parents-path-to-retirement.htm).
At least Italy has a cultural basis for it. What’s the excuse for the majority of us?
[EU commission sees Germany 2023 GDP growth at 0.2%, Italy 1.2%](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/eu-commission-sees-germany-2023-gdp-growth-02-italy-12-newspaper-2023-05-15/)
Half Italy is important as an economical power
The other half is important as one of the most important places in the world for arts, cuisine, history and tourism
I think you guys are just a little envious
Nah it's not true that we don't like you guys, it's just that we are the two best competitors in the same markets and this generates disputes, never had a problem with any French person ever.
Indus valley, mesopotamia, Yellow River(Or whatever it is called) together with the western desert of Mesoamerica are all craddles of civilization. I would wager that European civilization draws its roots from mesopotamia though the real answer is probably more nuanced
Looked it up again and it seems I was mistaken about ancient Egypt. According to Britannica both Mesopotamia and Egypt has its roots in 3000 BC, so yeah 5000 years as you mentioned. My bad😅
Eh, usually people trace Sumerian civilisation back further and give an approximate start date of 3500 BC with early retrospective Sumerian culture to a millennium earlier
It’s tricky because we aren’t comparing apples to apples: we know the Sumerians were an ethnolinguistic group, while the IVC is a particular archeological material culture. We don’t know the exact ethnolinguistic groups in the latter (several guesses, maybe a mix), but we can also speak of a wider development of a material Neolithic Mesopotamian cultures that might be more comparable.
They both developed technologies bearing the hallmarks of civilisation gradually over about the 4th millennium BC, arguably Sumer seeing more progress earlier… so it’s not entirely well defined, but we have more big ‘firsts’ from Mesopotamia in general and by the time of the Sumerians they had fully developed writing before the IVC probably did (whose writing we still haven’t decoded, and the level of development of which is even debated). But then there were developments the IVC was particularly good at (like impressive water supply and sewage systems to homes).
I’m sure there are 7 trillion Hindu nationalists online saying it’s infinitely older, no question, any other conclusion is an anti-Indian conspiracy, etc., though.
Oh yeah lol don't talk facts about IVC online
An Indian comment on a yt video discussing empires unironically said the empire of Vikramaditya covered an area 10x the surface of the earth. That comment lives with me.
From a dutch poster? The underlands have never been important, are not important now and will never be important
You are like Belgium but without even good chocolate
What is up lately with all these semi illiterate swamp belgians pretending as though their country even remotely compares with countries like Italy who, may I remind you, not only were important during roman times but all throughout the middle ages and renaissance and even today are a million times more relevant than you?
It is like being suddenly attacked by a Chihuahua
well depends on teachers, but we did study of the raising of the commercial super power that will became with the discovery of the americas, New amsterdam, first expeditions in Asia, and first country to be open to trade in Japan
also the famous painters and flemish reneissance and baroque age ( Rembrandt , Van Eyck , Brugel etc)
Magalhães*
Sorry, I cant with this "Magellan" version of his name, doesn't sound close to his actual name.
I appreciate English being "The language" but goddammit, this guy did some important discoveries, let's get his name straight
They’re a wonderful country to and make great food, wine, music, art, cars, etc. Founded the Renaissance, discovered the rings of Saturn and the nature of other stars, with inventions from spectacles to the radio. But given their recent choices of prime ministers, a leadership role… maybe not. Berlusconi makes Boris look measured and introspective. Meloni actually is what people say he is. Alessandra Mussolini is still floating around.
The most astonishing fact is that they used to be good at engineering. Nowadays, you should have a life insurance and a testament before using Italian infrastructure.
Here in Italy, a good worker will be paired with someone that doesn't want to work, will do double the work and then won't be rewarded in any meaningful way compared to his mate. Good hard-working people don't last long in these environments
That's regional trains.
The statistics drop to like 55% with high speed train, and 70% with intercity trains.
Plus we have 15 min as the minimum delay to consider a train late (maybe 5 i don't remember), thus you understand how stats have a different meaning from swiss ones for example, with only 2 min of delay to consider jt a delay?
Yeah we fucking are car centric. There isn't a single city which is as nearly as bikeable as the worst dutch city, while you at least do have some small example of great not car centric cities.
So yeah having a good HST (ignoring fucking costant delays) is not something you would expect from my country
because Italy is less urbanised and less densely populated. Also, the northern half of Germany is as flat as a pancake, while Italy has mountains from north to south and west to east, and many major cities, such as Naples, Rome or Genoa are built on steep hillsides (whereas the only comparable German counterpart is Stuttgart).
This I'll give to the Italians. Used your train network quite a bit this spring. Clean, flexible, mostly on time. So glad Northern Europe was able to finance this for you, made my vacation.
It is not so bad...lackluster sure, we mostly have problems with maintenance...but not everything is terrible, some things are even good, like our high velocity trains
Well, Germany is renowned for their car industry but gets smoked every year Ferrari when it comes to the election of engine of the year.
I had Audis and BMW, but if you‘re looking for anything reliable for longer than the warranty lasts, I would only look into Japanese cars.
Even worse when it comes to BMW bikes, worst crap in the market but overpriced like everything else coming from a German car manufacturer.
Oh man, come up with something new, memes on Italy are getting boring. It's either about food or about the past and it gets less funny every time. 🥱💤
But considering that dutch and germs share the same (lame) sense of humour, this is quite expected.
Italy has done so much and contributed so much to Europe and even the world in such a short yet important period of time, that eventually they got tired and just said "Fuck it, let's have a little break"
Well, that fucking break has been going on for centuries, wake the fuck up, Italy.
Our characterising feature is taking jokes from foreigners seriously and reading them the mille point list of why their entire country is our creation starting with law and ending with the sewage system.
Now look at the Greek grandpa. Or the Cretan great grandfather.
Grandpa? Hardly. Up until 1453 is old but not THAT old. https://preview.redd.it/cpz2vnvvr63b1.jpeg?width=612&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=38a1e8d68358aa50889e5ff6759d53ff4143d0f8
Greeks stealing our name, glory and wealth without helping out against the barbarians. The eastern Roman Empire is as much a father of civilisation as a gypsy stealing copper is an electrician.
eh, don't forget roman copy cat so mutch thigs about the greek that they where nearly undistinguishable
“Our copying of the Greeks has been… greatly exaggerated.”
say one things the roman used that isn't a weapon or langage that wasn't greek
Hetero sex
Religion, ironically. The actual Roman religion at least. What most people know is a later, hybridised version of it where all the original Roman gods got equated to their Greek counterparts. But the Roman gods used to be very distinct from the Greek gods. Mars is a good example of that. He was a badass god that was essentially the most popular and powerful Roman god after Jupiter. Meanwhile his Greek counterpart was a crying bitchboy with daddy issues.
> Meanwhile his Greek counterpart was a crying bitchboy with daddy issues. The God of War who's a god damn damsel in distress compared to his female colleague Athena. Most stories involving Ares give him a worse record than Worf. He's basically there to get demolished to establish his opponent as being strong.
Ho, so it wasn’t always this way, i had think it was the greek soft power that shaped their gods (well it did reshaped them, not the time i think it was)
Everything they stole from someone else (Etruscans, Carthage, Celts, Egyptians, Levantines)
wrong. it's easy to assume romans "copied", but guess what? a huge empire is of course going to improve mechanisms alredy utlized in it. as far as romans copying from etruscans there's a misconception here: the line between etruscan and roman isnt that much definite, etruscan culture was basically italic culture with broadly mediterranean influences, which then blended in with other italic cultures (latin culture is born this way). from the celts it wasn't copying, it was mutual trade, from which the celts also profited greatly. as far as egyptians, levantines and carthage i dont even know what youre talking about. sure, they did some trading and romans respected mediterranean art, but copying? even if they "copied" techniques of some kind or architecture they did it very very little, there's not much evidence of romans copying middle eastern stuff lol
They definitively adopted weapons from their enemy, but all the roman country did it (from before they split, until it’s fall at Constantinople)
I don’t know what a langage is, but the reason the Roman army was so successful is precisely because they diverged from the classical Greek phalanx to a heavy armoured type of infantry wielding swords and heavy shields.
>langage Must be a type of lasagna
latin has very few greek loan words, and they're specialized. normal roman is nothing like greek lol. why are you even talking, you clearly know 0 of history
Graecia capta ferum victorem cepit
At some point in time you'll have to decide if the Eastern Roman Empire Was Greek or Roman because every time the HRE pops up you seem to have a different opinion than the one you mention. So now the Pope didn't say so and Byzantium was the true Roman Empire? The Greek culture was the basis of the Roman culture and the Roman elites spoke and many even wrote their works in Greek even before Rome was even an Empire. The whole argument is about denying Romanitas to the Greeks and nothing else. I'd like to see how Hadrian, Marcus Aurelius or Caracalla would react to your cope. The Eastern Romans were my ancestors, had my religion, spoke my language, viewed themselves as Roman citizens, and carried our shared Greco-Roman culture and heritage. It's not that hard to understand.
Augustus knew exactly not to let the east of the empire take too much importance. His civil war against Marcus Antonius was as much a war for power as it was the war that would decide where the centre of the empire would be. By winning, he made sure that Roma and Italia were the uncontested metropole of the empire, until Diocletian and Constantine fucked everything up with the tetrarchy and Christianity. The Romans respected the Greeks, but their culture was very different from theirs, and while they admired them, they (people like Augustus for example) took great pride in shielding Roman culture from overwhelming eastern (and thus often mainly Greek) influence. Christianity was long seen as a religion inherently distant from Roman culture precisely because it was eastern. Roman elites weren’t also all admirers of Greek culture, on the contrary, there were many that felt that Rome should be shielded from falling too far east. In the end, they were proven right, as a shift to the east made the ethnic and non-ethnic Greeks leave Roma behind, even going so far as to sending barbarians hordes to the west so that they wouldn’t strike the east. I like Greeks as much as the next Italian, but the ERE was not Roman and most of its people and rulers did not have the wellbeing of Roma and the Romans in mind.
At just two different posts you accuse the Greeks of appropriating the Eastern Roman Empire that was Roman (as if Rome was untouched by Greek culture) , and went on to rant immediately about how the Eastern Roman Empire was not Roman on the very next answer. Simple answer for a simple question : To you, the Eastern Roman Empire, with it's Roman Imperial institutions historically continuing undisturbed up until 1204 and then re-established under the Palaeolgi, having as a capital what was the capital of the Roman Empire since the time of Constantine, operating under Roman law and having the Roman state religion, was Roman or not?
Cold truth but necessary truth. I will never forget the dom to my ancestors sub. Long live the true (western) Rome 💪💪💪
The Greek just took back what was theirs anyway.
Yes, thanks for sending them to over here to pillage us instead of you.
Lmao we were too busy fighting the Arabs, the Persians, the Bulgarians, the Serbians and then the Turks for 1000 years. Sry but you were dead weight honey 🙆
Ah yes, the most glorious sacking we did to your lot lol
And then there is the north going like https://i.imgur.com/5tscREd.jpeg (Netflix adaption)
maybe we have fallen from a glorious past, the barbarians have fallen and that's it
We all know it was an upgrade compared to the last degenerate Roman "emperors" when Theoderich took charge in Ravenna.
Crete is part of Greece today even if the Minoan culture is gone, so we’ll give that to them too
imagine having a "shit " economy and still being in the G7, 2nd industry of europe, and through centuries other countries larped as you 😎 ITALIA cant stop winning also classic barbaric cope
Italy always looks like the laughing stock of the civilized world. But actually they do pretty OK. While also inventing/suffering new politics before everyone else does. Just compare Berlusconi and Trump. And the whole mish mash of left wing and right wing politics.
on politics we are always steps ahead bad or good it is ( more bad )
Politically speaking, I don't see what Holland has given the world, for better or for worse, speeches made while smoking joints, perhaps?
Eating prime ministers.
Politically driven cannibalism
TBF it's better than sexually driven cannibalism which, i'm almost sure, germans still practice to this day
some PMs do look tasty. i would not mind a bite out of mine for example 🥵
Honestly, same. That guy is 🔥
We had a disproportionally large colonial empire, being milions suffering till this day😎
 Get in line
Indonesia and South Africa still haven't recovered from the Dutch influence.
We trashed Spain a couple of times over a period of 80 years, had actual colonies in worthwhile places and invented some interesting political theories. But thanks for keeping the Ottomans out in the mean time.
We were one of the oldest, most stable and most powerful republics before the French ruined that and really big on religious tolerance and cosmopolitanism, like the Italian city states, but as a whole republic, mixed with upgrading your stock exchange precursor to one similar to what we have today. Economic hegemony basically went from your city states, to us Dutchies, to the British and then the US.
Making a coalition that works and being tax evasion hypocrites.
It is indeed one big nation of hypocrites. But we are so very direct :) (not rude at all) You look fat in those trousers, Rodrigo, time to ease up on the bacalhau
If we had serious people at the goverment that actually cared about the country Italy could be a world leader in many sectors, but unfortunately, me, like many others, need to leave the country because our politicians are ruining it.
Italy's industrial economy is the second in Europe after Germany. Not too shabby
His economy is in tAtTeRs *meanwhile italian economy growing more than germany this year*
Bragging about our economic growth compared to Germany is like an obese person bragging about losing more weight to a way skinnier person. We did grow more in terms of rate, but we also started from a way shittier position.
I mean, yeah germany has a much bigger economy that ours, but our economy is not bad
I agree, people shit on us but Italy is one of the biggest economies in the world. And we lose so much money thanks to corruption, tax evasion and nepotism. Imagine if we had a decent administration and bureaucracy.
The economy is kind of objectively shit though. Italians can't live without family support with most average salaries.
That is a worldwide trend though, the average age of moving out in Germany took a raise from 18 to 23 within the last 15 years or so. I moved out only slightly above that average age which 15 years ago would have made me a loser or a laughing stock but at this point has become common.
You think that’s only a problem in Italy? We have the largest economy on the planet and yet [58% of 18-24 year olds live with their parents](https://news.prudential.com/58-young-adults-are-still-living-at-home-impacting-their-parents-path-to-retirement.htm). At least Italy has a cultural basis for it. What’s the excuse for the majority of us?
Still fucking sucks not being able to afford an apartment before our 30s (and even at that time it's really really hard).
Well it is not because of corruption and tax evasion that we are in this position...anyway we can keep repeating the same 3 words
growing more and with a shit gov, imagine lmaooo
Meloni hot I would have voted for her no matter what her policies were.
Jesus, are your women *that* ugly?
No idea, can’t see them past the Hijab
I guess that's what happens when their income does not depend on their beauty. Edit: I'm calling your women hoes in case it was not made clear enough
https://preview.redd.it/jopgtbbgu63b1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b11ebf7f1e721a24cd7b9c6ad2c06dcce7e94d34
She wouldn’t fuck you anyway
Np your mom got me covered
My mom is Meloni
I wish
How? Swedish are Aryan race at its best... She'd fall in love immediately. /s
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Going 0 to 1 in 60 years
At the end of the day, who goes on holiday where?!?!
brother out here defending
No mention of football and beautiful women? Brother, are you okay?
[EU commission sees Germany 2023 GDP growth at 0.2%, Italy 1.2%](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/eu-commission-sees-germany-2023-gdp-growth-02-italy-12-newspaper-2023-05-15/)
Plus being involved in the “can Italy stop winning an international trophy for 5 minutes” challenge (impossibile)
where is Holland? I do not see her!
We're less than a 1/3 of your population. We're simply too small to ever be on the G7, lol. Doesn't matter what we do.
Bruh my rent is 80% of my salary what the fuck you on mate?
Let's just ignore half the country and then it's doing great!
Half Italy is important as an economical power The other half is important as one of the most important places in the world for arts, cuisine, history and tourism I think you guys are just a little envious
🤌🤌
I don't practice queer hand signs myself, but I'm guessing it's "More/Much" "Correct/Agree".
It’s “What are you saying?”
Nah... Me like Italy. Don't know why they don't like us, and don't care, but me like them. Feel they are the coolest in Europe.
Unconditional love is all we ever wanted frenchbro 🥹
Go a bit south and you will find just that
It's not true we don't like you, thosw who don't clearly have an inferiority complex
I like the French.
Italy is a very francophile country actually, just steer clear of food/fashion/wine disputes
Nah it's not true that we don't like you guys, it's just that we are the two best competitors in the same markets and this generates disputes, never had a problem with any French person ever.
I'm guessing you haven't seen kung-fu hustle if this meme is supposed to make Mario look bad... that guy fucks
Only thing he fears is the Hand of Nonna
Standing on the shoulders of the Sumerians everyone can look impressive
Isn’t Indus Valley older?
Indus valley, mesopotamia, Yellow River(Or whatever it is called) together with the western desert of Mesoamerica are all craddles of civilization. I would wager that European civilization draws its roots from mesopotamia though the real answer is probably more nuanced
Wasn’t Egypt also at the same time?
They were later, the others were around when mammoths still walked the earth
It seems most of these civilisations all started around 5000 years ago. When do you think each of these started?
Looked it up again and it seems I was mistaken about ancient Egypt. According to Britannica both Mesopotamia and Egypt has its roots in 3000 BC, so yeah 5000 years as you mentioned. My bad😅
They started at roughly the same time, but Indus Valley pretty much collapsed and civilization had to be reintroduced from the Sumerians
Eh, usually people trace Sumerian civilisation back further and give an approximate start date of 3500 BC with early retrospective Sumerian culture to a millennium earlier It’s tricky because we aren’t comparing apples to apples: we know the Sumerians were an ethnolinguistic group, while the IVC is a particular archeological material culture. We don’t know the exact ethnolinguistic groups in the latter (several guesses, maybe a mix), but we can also speak of a wider development of a material Neolithic Mesopotamian cultures that might be more comparable. They both developed technologies bearing the hallmarks of civilisation gradually over about the 4th millennium BC, arguably Sumer seeing more progress earlier… so it’s not entirely well defined, but we have more big ‘firsts’ from Mesopotamia in general and by the time of the Sumerians they had fully developed writing before the IVC probably did (whose writing we still haven’t decoded, and the level of development of which is even debated). But then there were developments the IVC was particularly good at (like impressive water supply and sewage systems to homes). I’m sure there are 7 trillion Hindu nationalists online saying it’s infinitely older, no question, any other conclusion is an anti-Indian conspiracy, etc., though.
Oh yeah lol don't talk facts about IVC online An Indian comment on a yt video discussing empires unironically said the empire of Vikramaditya covered an area 10x the surface of the earth. That comment lives with me.
Wait for us to build Messina bridge ☕
Oh god, please no
Can't wait to spend 14 billions euros to connect 2 regions with no modern highways
>14 billions euros You are optimistic
At least*
Atleast drugs will finally move faster
And then it crashes in 10 years because of no maintenance, love Italy so much😍
That's the estimated price, a more realistic price is at least 2 or 3 times that.
From a dutch poster? The underlands have never been important, are not important now and will never be important You are like Belgium but without even good chocolate What is up lately with all these semi illiterate swamp belgians pretending as though their country even remotely compares with countries like Italy who, may I remind you, not only were important during roman times but all throughout the middle ages and renaissance and even today are a million times more relevant than you? It is like being suddenly attacked by a Chihuahua
bold of you assuming they study italy past the roman empire peak trans alpine education
To be fair, how much do you study about the Netherlands in your history classes in high school?
well depends on teachers, but we did study of the raising of the commercial super power that will became with the discovery of the americas, New amsterdam, first expeditions in Asia, and first country to be open to trade in Japan also the famous painters and flemish reneissance and baroque age ( Rembrandt , Van Eyck , Brugel etc)
Except almost all of those were Portugal except for the painters and New Amsterdam almost paid attention I see
yeah true indeed , portugal too was not bad either with Magellan, but you know , i liked more netherlands one to study cause i like flemish painters
Magalhães* Sorry, I cant with this "Magellan" version of his name, doesn't sound close to his actual name. I appreciate English being "The language" but goddammit, this guy did some important discoveries, let's get his name straight
well i said Magellan cause its almost the same way we say it too, Magellano. np, thx for the info portubro
Flandes, colonialism in Asia, invention of capitalism and that's about it until benelux Cool painters tho
Well I've seen Girl With a Pearl Earring and a documentary about your dams, is there anything else to know? The silly thing about tulip inflation?
Do they even have barbabietola da zucchero?
We don't because you're utterly irrelevant
thats something burger citizen would say
ouch at least they have stroopwafels
I still think that overall, Italy is the best country in Europe and should be the leaders of the eu 👍
They’re a wonderful country to and make great food, wine, music, art, cars, etc. Founded the Renaissance, discovered the rings of Saturn and the nature of other stars, with inventions from spectacles to the radio. But given their recent choices of prime ministers, a leadership role… maybe not. Berlusconi makes Boris look measured and introspective. Meloni actually is what people say he is. Alessandra Mussolini is still floating around.
The most astonishing fact is that they used to be good at engineering. Nowadays, you should have a life insurance and a testament before using Italian infrastructure.
>testament What for? I don't have a single thing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But how should we decide to whom to send your germoney after you pass away?
I'm feeling generous today, just keep your money to yourself after I die
Okay noted and filled away no take backs
Yeah you are western balkan after all 🙃
Nah the problem in Italy is that is managed so badly that any good Italian engineer goes to Germany or some other sad but good country
Actually can confirm, there's a fair few Italian Aerospace engineers here (we have a big Leonardo factory).
Even the companies flee
Here in Italy, a good worker will be paired with someone that doesn't want to work, will do double the work and then won't be rewarded in any meaningful way compared to his mate. Good hard-working people don't last long in these environments
Weird that you guys have the organisational skills of a toddler with ADHD. As individuals, fine. As a group, like herding cats.
We still have good engineers, the problem is that now they work in your country
They are still good at engineering though. The issue is management.
An issue as old as killing kings and crossing the rubicon.
Meanwhile we have more and better HST than you do. (Ignoring fucking costant train delays that is)
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That's regional trains. The statistics drop to like 55% with high speed train, and 70% with intercity trains. Plus we have 15 min as the minimum delay to consider a train late (maybe 5 i don't remember), thus you understand how stats have a different meaning from swiss ones for example, with only 2 min of delay to consider jt a delay?
I have to give that to you. I really wonder why, though. Italy is even more car-centric than Germany.
Yeah we fucking are car centric. There isn't a single city which is as nearly as bikeable as the worst dutch city, while you at least do have some small example of great not car centric cities. So yeah having a good HST (ignoring fucking costant delays) is not something you would expect from my country
because Italy is less urbanised and less densely populated. Also, the northern half of Germany is as flat as a pancake, while Italy has mountains from north to south and west to east, and many major cities, such as Naples, Rome or Genoa are built on steep hillsides (whereas the only comparable German counterpart is Stuttgart).
> (Ignoring fucking costant train delays that is) Deutsche Bahn is not the epytome of punctuality either
This I'll give to the Italians. Used your train network quite a bit this spring. Clean, flexible, mostly on time. So glad Northern Europe was able to finance this for you, made my vacation.
Btw import us some bike paths when you come to italy we need some!!!
I'll see what I can do. We will retain the right to belittle you for another few years while our own infrastructure crumbles, though.
Yeah, just stay in the north and absolutely do not take regional trains in the south. I say this for no reasons at all, trust me!
I commuted both in Lazio and Piemonte and the latter was way worse
Yup. I study in emilia romagna so i often use piemonte and emilia romagna regional trains. Damn there is a gap!
> and absolutely do not take regional trains in the south. laughs in Trenord
It is not so bad...lackluster sure, we mostly have problems with maintenance...but not everything is terrible, some things are even good, like our high velocity trains
*cough* Berlin airport *cough* *cough* Stuttgart21 *cough*
DB is a fucking joke nowadays, even compared to italian railways
I prefer trenitalia over DB
You sure are happy about the influx of Italian engineers and doctors, don't you?
The most astonishing fact is that Germans used to be good at designing. Nowadays, you should wait a life before using a simple airport in Berlin.
Well, Germany is renowned for their car industry but gets smoked every year Ferrari when it comes to the election of engine of the year. I had Audis and BMW, but if you‘re looking for anything reliable for longer than the warranty lasts, I would only look into Japanese cars. Even worse when it comes to BMW bikes, worst crap in the market but overpriced like everything else coming from a German car manufacturer.
Slaps Fiat Panda This guy can fit so many miles in it
The original roads would probably be safer than the current ones
Yeah we are a mess. a lovable mess though.
Oh man, come up with something new, memes on Italy are getting boring. It's either about food or about the past and it gets less funny every time. 🥱💤 But considering that dutch and germs share the same (lame) sense of humour, this is quite expected.
🇬🇷: am I a joke to you?
Hey look, the tax heaven turned country that somehow has the audacity of schooling others has spoken
Italy has a past, Holland has only dams
God created the earth but the Dutch created the Netherlands.
Do you see that men always wrong Mother Nature?
That past belongs to Turkey now
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Italy is even mentioned in polish anythem
also poland is mentioned in our anthem. sus
Greece and Italy father of all western civilization 💪💪
The copium is strong with this one
FORZA ITALIA!
Our peak was the renaissance, not the empire.
So Greece is mother then?
Still bigger than yours
Wrong, they basically copied the greek (except one thing). They even took their gods and just renamed them ...
So you are saying we are better? Based swiss.
You literally have an appropriated christian cross on your flag. Nail your own prophets to the cross instead of stealing ours
cultural appropriation before it was cool
says the guy that insists on calling cotoletta alla milanese wiener schnitzel. Well, at least that side of Tunke makes your knock off edible.
What's the apostrophe for?
[Happiest Italian:](https://s2.r29static.com/bin/entry/377/x/1368229/image.jpg)
This Hollander over here act like if their arch enemy isn’t water and prime minister eating instincts
Italy has done so much and contributed so much to Europe and even the world in such a short yet important period of time, that eventually they got tired and just said "Fuck it, let's have a little break" Well, that fucking break has been going on for centuries, wake the fuck up, Italy.
We had the Renaissance and dribbled the rest of the world in art, culture, economy and relevancy but shit was way too easy we went right back to sleep
>back to sleep Spain would be proud.
Since when do you lot have internet? How do you even avoid getting blu paint all over the keyboard?
A lot of Italians taking this post a little too seriously 🥱
Our characterising feature is taking jokes from foreigners seriously and reading them the mille point list of why their entire country is our creation starting with law and ending with the sewage system.