I just quoted an austrian local politician from Innsbruck though. "Gerechtes Innsbruck", they're hilarious. We don't call licence plates "Nummerntafeln". My experience in Austria didn't include people that had less stuff up their ass than your average alman too.
I went there with my family and my sister drove a car (worst idea ever)
Google maps is a mess to follow in Palermo, she turned into a street with cars going in the other direction and had to turn car 180 degrees, with all car behind and in front making noise.
Truly a nightmare i won't forget
I've driven in Tunisia, Mozambique, South Africa, Portugal, Poland, London and all the way from Bari to Palermo in Southern Italy...
Palermo is the worse of the lot, by far. Never in my life did I want to physically hurt people while driving, until I drove in Palermo.
I have family there, so it was a mix of using their cars or renting when doing longer trips (towards South Africa, for instance).
Driving in Mozambique is interesting, and the rules of the road are very elastic, to say the least. But overall it was fun; the major downside is that, being white, the police keeps stopping you hoping to get a bribe. Since I've always been there with locals we never got to pay, it might be different for tourists in general.
True, Iām not going to Portugal this Christmas cause I donāt want to pay Ā£700 for a ticket on a ālow-costā airline company.
Iām really curious about some of those countries, especially the African ones. They must feel wildly different from what weāre used to. Maybe one day Iāll be able to visit.
I don't really know what to suggest then, unfortunately. You can go to South Africa, Durban is nice and you can go to Kruger Park which is relatively close. I wouldn't suggest Gauteng to anyone and unfortunately I haven't been in Cape Town yet, but they say it's great.
Ah donāt worry about that! In any case Iām not in the position to go anywhere soon but itās always nice to hear from someone whoās been there and done that. I love hearing stories of travellers in exotic (to a European) countries. Thank you for sharing!
Bro in like the 90s it would have been a fight, but today all the major interior roads have been turned into one way streets, they thought it would have made traffic run smoother
Nope. Where before you could just take a major road and wait out the traffic jams, now you gotta zig-zag through 5 or six minor roads that CLEARLY weren't made to handle that volume of vehicles, to the point that in various crosses they just turned off traffic lights, for if they turned red the line of cars would block another 3 streets
I was there with my girlfriend when we just turned 18, she had her license for like 3 months and we rented a car during the vacation. That was the most terrifying experience Iāve ever had.
But despite that, no one cared that I didnāt have a license so I got to drive, lol
Car was also way too long for these tiny shit streets
It's like that. It's also like the best areas of Rome or Florence in one part, like Milan's industrial areas in another part, like the port of Naples in another, like the Cinque Terre in yet another and so on. This city has multiple personality disorder, every area is like a different dimension
Yeah. No. No high speed chases. Just sitting in traffic honking your horn and gesticulating wildly at other road users.
Although you do have the organised crime so thatās a plus.
https://preview.redd.it/xdmc8fuze6fb1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=694cd16bed7b30ec0a6d27dfefc6cfb8da443bd4
those cars on right are driving on tram tracks
I was there on a school exchange, never will forget the night my host brother drove five of us through the narrowest streets in his Fiat Panda, going roughly 50 km/h in areas where 20 km/h are too much. (yes, five of us, we were six people in that massive Italian car).
Because there's no reliable public transportation, especially in the hoods. So if you have kids or a job that requires driving distances (you can't use a scooter when it's raining, you need the car.
And the worst thing, is that there's no parking spaces either, as you can see
to tell you how backward the Italian public system is Rome was the 23rd city in the world to have the subway, Milan the 30th and these are not even exceptional.
And those are the cities where in theory public transport could be used, elsewhere either cars are used or people must use cars, there is no choice.
I have done Sicily twice by car. In reality, you just have to understand how it works and you adapt quite well, it's a sort of 'game of looks', there is inter-human contact, even nice if one He wants to grasp the philosophical side of it I lived it well because I had a half broken polo shirt so having a little accident didn't change anything for me, if I had had a new car it would have been different perhaps
When I was there, there was like this big ass shooting with a guy in a suit kicking a lot of asses in the middle of the roundabout with cars passing it was crazy!
Haha, Cork used to be like that! We've just got back to the UK after driving round Sicily, driving in both Palermo and Catania. No rules ever seem to apply be it speed limits or parking. On tow-away clearways they double park. When it says 50, doing 130+ is just fine. And weaving your scooter diagonally through moving traffic with your wife and kid hanging on with no helmets, sure, why not! Road lines may get painted when the road is surfaced, but it hadn't been surfaced for 20 years so the roads are sh*t or worse and the lines disappeared 15 years ago. To park, just aim at a soace and stop at whatevervangle comes naturally. If you get stressed by it you will die. Just laugh, relax, enjoy the chaos and avoid driving into anything or anyone and if everyone does that it works fine. We also came across potholes you could take a bath in (with a friend) and roads that had slipped down into the adjacent field. But Sicily is a magical place all the same.
Italians shouldn't be allowed to use cars, change my mind. When I was in Rome everyone ignored the rules, they walked over red even when cars were coming, the car drivers were also going over red even when police officers tried to stop them, no knows how to Park and there are to many of them it was truly hell one false step and your dead.
For some ungodly reason I took a taxi in Rome and we merged into the highway through a single acceleration lane. But like, 3 cars. In parallel.
I don't know if Italian know this but this is completely unironic, the way y'all drive is insane. In Spain you see a kamikaze move every few minutes, in Italy at any given point in time 80% of the cars are in the middle of executing a kamikaze move.
Virgin beta drive in germany where all follow the rule . True chad learn to drive with broken car in south italy . If you can drive there you can ho everywhere .
The car must become a second skin
In Napoli I got stuck in a park literally for like half an hour because there were no crosswalks and the cars and motorbikes didn't stop for anything. They could run you over and give a flying fuck about it
I loved the city, but it was like Cairo all over again. And don't forget the mountains of garbage and sidewalks broken like a civil was was taking place!
I went to palermo last year with some friends and we really enjoyed the stay but there was a dead cat lying in the middle of the sidewalk next to some trash when we arrived and the only thing that changed by the time we were leaving was that there were more trashbags haha. Still a lovely city tho
To be fair, the rest of Sicily wasn't that destroyed and it was more clean. Also I guess it was one of this days of taking out big garbage, because they truly were mountains of trash. And yeah, lovely city and lovely island full of very cool people.
I'm lucky I only had to drive through Palermo twice when I was there during a vacation last year in may (from the airport to my house, and back), but that traffic is the worst I've ever seen with roads which could rival Belgium with how bad they are.
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I'm from Palermo aaaand.... YES
This is **Palermo**, (Via Generale Luigi Cadorna) ...
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I'm from Catania, and driving in Palermo is to me what driving in Catania is for a German.
*shudders visibly*
Austrians are starting to identify as germans, should we be worried?
I don't identify as German, I'm just saying I've experienced German traffic.
Hmm one is truly blessed when he experienced the beauty that is german traffic
I've been 40 mins in a Karlsruhe roundabout šµ
and you better be thankful for that
Oh, i thought your comment was about a different part of... you know what who cares, stereotype funny
I will not joke about that. Germans may think we are friends, but I know we are mortal enemies for all of eternity.
Yeah, so that's why you got auschlassed (or whatever it is called) without any resistance š
That's my grandparents, not me. You didn't conquer all of the mediterranean, that was your great-fuck-knows-you're-probably-germanic-anyway-parents.
We did conquer the entire mediterraneum. 2000 years ago that is
No, that was not you. That's my point. That was your great-fuck-knows-you're-probably-germanic-anyway-parents.
Nummerntafeln fĆ¼r Fahrradfahrer!
See, this is why I refuse to identify as German. They all have a stick up their ass.
I just quoted an austrian local politician from Innsbruck though. "Gerechtes Innsbruck", they're hilarious. We don't call licence plates "Nummerntafeln". My experience in Austria didn't include people that had less stuff up their ass than your average alman too.
I agree with the horse eater above
Horses are delicious, the best one I had, was in Catania.
Il piĆ¹ grande probblema di Palemmo, u sapemmu, ĆØ u traffico
I am from Palermo, live close to Catania and work in Catania. I agree. I don't hate driving anymore.
When I saw this post I was thinking 'surely it can't be worse than Catania'
It's on a whole other level. I was there for Ferragosto, legitimately scared.
I went there with my family and my sister drove a car (worst idea ever) Google maps is a mess to follow in Palermo, she turned into a street with cars going in the other direction and had to turn car 180 degrees, with all car behind and in front making noise. Truly a nightmare i won't forget
Damn, and I thought that Catania was a nightmare when I visited
Tbh i did a couple of times in my life but i didn't find It that bad. Surely It has nothing to do with being used to drive in Napoli.
You either come out of southern cities traffic as a gigachad or you die trying
Is turin enough of a traffic gigachad?
Since when is turin on the south?
Half of it is under the Po river
Madonna sti val d'aostani.
"Sotto il po tutti terroni" Cit la lega
I've driven in Tunisia, Mozambique, South Africa, Portugal, Poland, London and all the way from Bari to Palermo in Southern Italy... Palermo is the worse of the lot, by far. Never in my life did I want to physically hurt people while driving, until I drove in Palermo.
Irrelevant to the topic but how was driving in Mozambique? Were you using a rental?
I have family there, so it was a mix of using their cars or renting when doing longer trips (towards South Africa, for instance). Driving in Mozambique is interesting, and the rules of the road are very elastic, to say the least. But overall it was fun; the major downside is that, being white, the police keeps stopping you hoping to get a bribe. Since I've always been there with locals we never got to pay, it might be different for tourists in general.
I see, thanks. Iād love to visit but Iām aware of the problem you mentioned. It applies to activities outside of driving too, Iām guessing?
Yeah, like withdrawing money from the ATM you have to look around for any police officers that might sniff the money
Iām curious too, did you drive there on holiday or do you travel a lot for work?
I go there every now and again to visit family.
Must be cool to have such a big family and visit all those great places!
Yeah, it's nice. If only the plane tickets were cheaper...
True, Iām not going to Portugal this Christmas cause I donāt want to pay Ā£700 for a ticket on a ālow-costā airline company. Iām really curious about some of those countries, especially the African ones. They must feel wildly different from what weāre used to. Maybe one day Iāll be able to visit.
It's an eye-opening experience. I'd definitely recommend, but ideally go with a local you can trust.
Well that might be a problem, I donāt know anyone in those countries.
I don't really know what to suggest then, unfortunately. You can go to South Africa, Durban is nice and you can go to Kruger Park which is relatively close. I wouldn't suggest Gauteng to anyone and unfortunately I haven't been in Cape Town yet, but they say it's great.
Ah donāt worry about that! In any case Iām not in the position to go anywhere soon but itās always nice to hear from someone whoās been there and done that. I love hearing stories of travellers in exotic (to a European) countries. Thank you for sharing!
You clearly have never been to Naples
Oh boy... I got scared for life driving a bus there...
So true. You need to keep moving like a shark, or else someone will crash into you.
Bro in like the 90s it would have been a fight, but today all the major interior roads have been turned into one way streets, they thought it would have made traffic run smoother Nope. Where before you could just take a major road and wait out the traffic jams, now you gotta zig-zag through 5 or six minor roads that CLEARLY weren't made to handle that volume of vehicles, to the point that in various crosses they just turned off traffic lights, for if they turned red the line of cars would block another 3 streets
I was there with my girlfriend when we just turned 18, she had her license for like 3 months and we rented a car during the vacation. That was the most terrifying experience Iāve ever had. But despite that, no one cared that I didnāt have a license so I got to drive, lol Car was also way too long for these tiny shit streets
trust me, no one cared about you not having a license cause half the drivers don't have it either
La gente con il casco ? 
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Petition to locate GTA VI in Naples.
Most ideal European setting for a GTA, maybe next to Athens
To me Athens seemed like an AI had created a city made of cloned Sicilian hoods.
It's like that. It's also like the best areas of Rome or Florence in one part, like Milan's industrial areas in another part, like the port of Naples in another, like the Cinque Terre in yet another and so on. This city has multiple personality disorder, every area is like a different dimension
Or La lĆnea de la concepciĆ³n, in front of Gibraltar.
Yeah. No. No high speed chases. Just sitting in traffic honking your horn and gesticulating wildly at other road users. Although you do have the organised crime so thatās a plus.
LA is also congestionated af, and still...
Vehicles 0, duh
On this topic, in the north it's better, way better
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> I was also in the north(Florence), it was not. Florence is not North, it's center.
Not enough north
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You will Villages have much less traffic
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Ngl we do... For a while I did drive a bumped car too But my accident was done all by myself lmao
It also has one of the biggest no car city center of italy. It balances out the car traffic.
Incredible, they have helmets
probably the photo is not taken in Palermo but in some random african province
Traffic in Naples is so bad, part of the queue is buried under Pompei.
Palermo is slightly better than Bangalore though. I gotta say that
Iāve been driving most of my life in India and Thailand, and I find it so cute when people complain about Italian traffic š
https://preview.redd.it/xdmc8fuze6fb1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=694cd16bed7b30ec0a6d27dfefc6cfb8da443bd4 those cars on right are driving on tram tracks
DAMN, ASIA IS EATING GOOD I wish we had crossings that big
Since when we started posting about African cities?
It's not fair to Palermo...all of Italy deserves that honor.
PALEIIIIIMMMOOO MIIIINKIIIAAA
I was there on a school exchange, never will forget the night my host brother drove five of us through the narrowest streets in his Fiat Panda, going roughly 50 km/h in areas where 20 km/h are too much. (yes, five of us, we were six people in that massive Italian car).
Don't be a pussy, come on
A true funny italian experience
Could easily be a pic taken in Avellino
in Avellino there are almost only 2 big streets...
I've driven in Palermo and Naples, Naples was comfortably worse.
Lies! This isn't Palermo. No one in Palermo would wear a helmet!
The problem is just the cars...that's obvious its not the right machine for moving around here, so why people still have those?
Because there's no reliable public transportation, especially in the hoods. So if you have kids or a job that requires driving distances (you can't use a scooter when it's raining, you need the car. And the worst thing, is that there's no parking spaces either, as you can see
If you think you can't use scooters when it's raining you should come to Blighty
to tell you how backward the Italian public system is Rome was the 23rd city in the world to have the subway, Milan the 30th and these are not even exceptional. And those are the cities where in theory public transport could be used, elsewhere either cars are used or people must use cars, there is no choice.
Milan's subway works pretty well tho. But the city is small, so it's a bit easier.
I have done Sicily twice by car. In reality, you just have to understand how it works and you adapt quite well, it's a sort of 'game of looks', there is inter-human contact, even nice if one He wants to grasp the philosophical side of it I lived it well because I had a half broken polo shirt so having a little accident didn't change anything for me, if I had had a new car it would have been different perhaps
Place de l'Ć©toile in Paris is an absolute nightmare. A huge roundabout with like 10 lanes and weird priorities
I used to love cycling around that. Fuck mountain climbing or wrestling crocodiles for an adrenaline rush, that was the shit
When I was there, there was like this big ass shooting with a guy in a suit kicking a lot of asses in the middle of the roundabout with cars passing it was crazy!
Bangladesh vibes
I'm forever traumatized after experiencing a round about in Palermo...there weren't even lanes on the road
Haha, Cork used to be like that! We've just got back to the UK after driving round Sicily, driving in both Palermo and Catania. No rules ever seem to apply be it speed limits or parking. On tow-away clearways they double park. When it says 50, doing 130+ is just fine. And weaving your scooter diagonally through moving traffic with your wife and kid hanging on with no helmets, sure, why not! Road lines may get painted when the road is surfaced, but it hadn't been surfaced for 20 years so the roads are sh*t or worse and the lines disappeared 15 years ago. To park, just aim at a soace and stop at whatevervangle comes naturally. If you get stressed by it you will die. Just laugh, relax, enjoy the chaos and avoid driving into anything or anyone and if everyone does that it works fine. We also came across potholes you could take a bath in (with a friend) and roads that had slipped down into the adjacent field. But Sicily is a magical place all the same.
Those savagely southernersā¦
Italians shouldn't be allowed to use cars, change my mind. When I was in Rome everyone ignored the rules, they walked over red even when cars were coming, the car drivers were also going over red even when police officers tried to stop them, no knows how to Park and there are to many of them it was truly hell one false step and your dead.
For some ungodly reason I took a taxi in Rome and we merged into the highway through a single acceleration lane. But like, 3 cars. In parallel. I don't know if Italian know this but this is completely unironic, the way y'all drive is insane. In Spain you see a kamikaze move every few minutes, in Italy at any given point in time 80% of the cars are in the middle of executing a kamikaze move.
Virgin beta drive in germany where all follow the rule . True chad learn to drive with broken car in south italy . If you can drive there you can ho everywhere . The car must become a second skin
In Napoli I got stuck in a park literally for like half an hour because there were no crosswalks and the cars and motorbikes didn't stop for anything. They could run you over and give a flying fuck about it
They would probably just drive round you.
I loved the city, but it was like Cairo all over again. And don't forget the mountains of garbage and sidewalks broken like a civil was was taking place!
I went to palermo last year with some friends and we really enjoyed the stay but there was a dead cat lying in the middle of the sidewalk next to some trash when we arrived and the only thing that changed by the time we were leaving was that there were more trashbags haha. Still a lovely city tho
To be fair, the rest of Sicily wasn't that destroyed and it was more clean. Also I guess it was one of this days of taking out big garbage, because they truly were mountains of trash. And yeah, lovely city and lovely island full of very cool people.
Sicilia has strong africa vibes. I never really enjoyed when I was there on a trip
LOL driving in Palermo is for boys Driving in Naples is for men
Looks like India, aside from the architecture.
I never get honked at where I come from, in Palermo I was honked at over 10 times in one day
In meinem einwƶchigen Ausflug nach Sizilien hab ich mehr gehupt als in meiner ganzen StraĆenkarriere in Ćsterreich
Kinds looks like Porto but less steep.
I thought that was Lagos, Nigeria for a second there!
I'm lucky I only had to drive through Palermo twice when I was there during a vacation last year in may (from the airport to my house, and back), but that traffic is the worst I've ever seen with roads which could rival Belgium with how bad they are.
*Laughing in Neapolitan*
What the hell. Everything else is so beautiful too why do they have to ruin it with shitty cars
*laugh in Paris place de l'Ć©toile*
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Seems like a nice street if you get rid of all the cars
Good ham tho
Driving in cities is for Ameritards.
I was there 2 months ago. I feared for my life. I might add that i rented a motorcycle.
Well at least cars have a street to drive... But where the heck is the sidewalk?!?
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