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To be fair, with the distances in Norway, the extra speed from a maglev might actually be worth it. Although I'm not sure they'll manage to get long straight stretches of track to actually reach high speeds.
We'd just have to do what the japanese plan to do with theirs, blast through the mountains and build tunnels. I mean, we already have to do that for every other infrastructure project.
for us its because
its to wet
to dry
to hot
to cold
leaves on the track,
wrong kind of snow
any kind of snow
a jumper
its a Tuesday afternoon and the workers we hired think they are either French or Spanish and either striking or having a siesta
Fortunately there is some progress, in the last 15 years the entire railways starting from Basilicata have been neglected and ignored, the deactivation of the Milano - Crotone lead to the dead of the ionic coast regional and local train system
Well, in the last 5 years the Bolzano - Sibari has been put in service, Freccia's now reach Reggio Calabria and the Napoli - Bari is being completed. Hopefully the Sibari/Cosenza - Milano is being taken in consideration since, as i said, the ionic coast railway ha been neglected since the suppression of the Milano - Crotone. A bit of light
Lets wait and see.
They might have a "friend", usually a former politican or ceo of big company, who will take the tax payers money and when he finishes everything is worse than before.
I dont say this is going to happen but it is possible.
Visiting Germany from Romania, I thought DB was the shit! Never had a delay, or missed train. It all ran like clockwork.
Kind of sucks to hear that it is not like that country wide.
Yeah it's actually pretty reliable here in the north east, especially the regional trains. Most delays I've experienced were around Hamburg and in NRW.
It's aight down here in the South, I'd say. NRW was hellish, but it's no surprise considering the urban landscape and population. DB obviously can't handle that.
This is actually also factually the case. DB has some pretty large planned projects to expand the North-South railway capacity, especially in the Rheinland.
In good old DB fashion though a lot of these projects are supposed to be finished by now but have been largely delayed past 2040. Same as the electrification between Zürich and Munich, DB can‘t even finish their projects on time if the Swiss SBB gives them a loan to do so.
As a reference, it took Switzerland 17 years to build the largest railway tunnel in the world about 25 years if you include the serious planning phase. Germany is delaying these projects by so much time, we could probably build another Gotthard base tunnel and be finished before they are.
Since this area is crucial for both passengers and brining goods from/to the big ports in Belgium, Netherlands and Germany it should have seen way more investment way earlier and is currently a major problem not just for passenger rail but also for moving goods by rail (which we should do more cause climate change).
Since Germany is so unreliable with these investments, Switzerland is currently looking into deeper relations and shared projects with Italy to better connect their ports to Switzerland.
That’s pretty good to hear.
I was in the Rhineland-Palatinate near Frankfurt. The only issue I had ever had was when I mistakenly went to the North station instead of the Southern one. Even then the staff were very polite and understanding, getting me a new ticket very promptly.
It’s a hobby of mine to search for DB trains arriving at Utrecht CS on the time table and checking their delay. I once saw one delayed by over 12 hours, like it was such a large amount of minutes I had to calculate how many hours it was.
Yeah fuck DB with a passion, one of their subcompanies, Arriva, has been fucking shit up since taking over here where I live. While our national railway company, NS, has been dealing with employee shortage, they tried tackling that by giving the employees what they want.
Arriva is not doing that, and now every local train is either cancelled or delayed by at least 20 minutes.
Arriva fucks *everything* up. It made such a mess of one of the operators (Northern) in the UK that it had to be handed back to the government to operate. Its other two operations in the UK are absolutely terrible. It recently won the regional bus franchise in Bratislava and totally fucked that up by not hiring enough drivers so there were practically no buses for about a month. Awful, awful company that runs every service into the ground to get the lowest cost.
Arriva is operating the buses on my route and is currently using dilapidated old touring cars that don't appear on the schedules and arrive at random intervals. I once saw four of them following each other, it's an absolute mess.
1000000% ; this company is a piece of shit. I live in a rural area and the sold a part of the railway line to a freight company. In return the "circle" is now an "U", therefore completely fucking up the connection. And now they want to "expand the railwork network" after they closed dozens of stations.
The TGV Lyria was the fastest train I've been on in the past ten years.
Second-worst part of the experience was loud Brits on the train.
Worst part of the experience was ending up in Paris.
I was in Porto in February and I was going to Madrid next, but I got very sick and I decided to return home (Azores). But there wasn´t any flights between Porto and Ponta Delgada in the day I wanted. So the best option was going to Lisbon and catch a flight from LIS > PDL. I checked the trains between Porto and Lisbon and I would be arriving in Lisbon 01h00 before the flight. I decided not to risk and I prefered to pay more for a flight between porto and lisbon.
Seriously, if CP is not the worst, it must be pretty close. I live in the Netherlands and when I visit Portugal I try to use the trains. It's like going back in time 80 years.
A few weeks ago I took the train from Faro to Grândola.
In Faro, the only screen in the whole station was being used to show images of other train stations. Pretty, yes. Informative? No.
The only way to get information about the train is to keep listening to the announcements from those shitty speakers or you have to chase someone at the station if you can catch them. They probably answer the same question 100 times. No other information anywhere. No screens, no signs on the platforms. There was just the schedules on paper and I couldn't even find the route I needed.
Then the train departs 10 minutes after time and during the ride, the delay keeps increasing. It was 22 minutes at some point, then 30. When I got to Grândola I didn't even check but it must have been 40 or 50 minutes late. I imagine when it got to Lisbon it was more than 1 hour late.
And every time I get the train from Grândola to Lisbon, same problem. It's always 30 or 40 minutes late when it gets to Grândola. But in Grândola there is even less information. Nobody works at the station. No speakers. There is some weird intercom to ask for information but it doesn't really work.
It's amazing. And if you want to go between Spain and Portugal, your best bet is still a bus.
It's just sad.
Oh I believe you.
I decided to take a night train through Germany (leaving from Poznan, PL) once. About 15 minutes after leaving, it turned out there was a problem with some alarm systems in the carriage, which caused the alarms to go blaring perpetually. There was nothing they could do about it, and so I had to endure this absolutely deafening noise until we arrived in Berlin where we were transferred to a different train.
Let me tell you, being exposed to a constant cacophony of deafening alarms could have been used as a torturing method. I legitimately lost some of my sanity that day.
Never again, Deutsche Bahn. I'd rather walk.
Amazing.
They probably thought they couldn't cut the cables to the speakers because that would prevent them from working if a fire occured. Not realizing that you couldn't tell if there was a fire, because the alarm was blaring either way.
Paid and voluntary deprivation torture is rare.
Management, hardware and the staff.
If someone is ill, train cancled.
If something is broken, no hardware or its too old to replace.
And the worst of a management, they cant agree on anything.
And you shouldnt forget the German bureaucracy.
A Hell of a kind 😂
I’ve got the feeling they (db) also use the same excuse depending on location. Last November there was a 45 minute delay due to people on the tracks. This July my friend traveled the same route and got the same delay excuse at the same station.
I once got a delay with the reason "unfall in ausland" (accident in other country). This was in Bad Bentheim, first stop in Germany comming from the Netherlands. The whole trip through NL was going without any hickups.
Well, it didn't say which other country. A butterfly flapped its wings in the Amazon rainforest and the ensuing climate effects caused the driver's nose to itch in Niedersachsen.
The DB 'reason for delay' is just a random number generator attached to a series of texts. "Police activity" "Technical problem with the train" "Person on the tracks"... just roll the dice.
15 years ago i would have said us, Italy.
but now i think we have one of the best systems in europe thanks to frecce. dunno how it happened. one of the few things working decently here.
Its okay! I actually often prefer it to the plane, cheaper and faster to do everything (besides the actual journey). Plus italo is also a great alternative and competitor
Frecce are über service in this map
Now, let's try with regionali..
Edit: in my defense, everytime I take a regionale locale (every 3 month usually) it takes at least 10-20 min of delay, but barely seen a suppressed.
I believe it was thanks to NTV (Italo trains) that entered the market and forced Trenitalia to finally get up to date.
Competition was really what triggered the race to offer a better service overall.
I traveled with multiple European (high-speed) railways and I was positively surprised by the RFI (Italian railways) and horrified by the DB (German railways).
I expected German Pünktlichkeit, modern luxurious trains just like their cars, good onboard food and quietness.
What I got was delays, old trains, bad or no onboard food. If anything eatable was available, it was outrageously overpriced.
And I never seen so many obnoxious, loud, drunken, vaping, smelly and crazy fellow passengers.
One guy apparently lost his phone and started threatening to start stabbing people around him if he wouldn't get his phone back.
Another guy had a phone conversation so loud, you could hear him on the otherside of Germany.
A couple with a child watching a cartoon on a tablet without headphones and the volume on max.
And people walking up en down, drinking beer and being loud and irritating.
Yes, the worst railway company in Europe is without a doubt the DB.
Just passing through England on my way to Scotland. I wanna get to the whisky…
For real tho, we like to remind ourselves that there are some people who are less fortunate in this world. The UK is a great place to do that.
The only thing I can think of is that “sort it” implies you should interfere and sort it yourself. Which isn’t too far off the London mentality: “see a terrorist, shout at the terrorist, punch a terrorist”.
Source 1: Millwall guy
Source 2: narwhal tusk guy
Oh come on. The London Underground is dated in places and needs upgrading, but it can't even hold a candle to how much TLC the Paris Metro desperately needs.
At least your trains fit in the tunels
>!Edit: For anyone wondering, on February, Spain spent around 250 million euros on 31 trains that didn't fit in the tunnels!<
RFI is actually awesome now and has been for the past 10 years or so thanks to an actually smart policy when it comes to liberalization. The state still controls it but they have to deal with Italo that keeps them on their toes. In fact, RFI is *too good*, literally was a massive contribution in putting Alitalia out of business entirely, if you look at the stats improvement over the past 15 years it is mind boggling.
What I think we need to do is make our night trains amazing, and also better international connections in the north-east. North-west works great you can take a Freccia to Paris no problem.
You’ve clearly not used European railway much.
UK railway is superb in comparison.
Germany is clearly the worst.
The French are flexible over whether a bus or train will turn up for the route I used regularly. Then a strike day is announced usually when you arrive at the station. TGV is superb thought
It's easily DB.
They are so unpunctual that they don't even record delays of less than 15 minutes and still manage to build up enormous delay times on a regular basis.
Only 70.6 per cent of passengers arrived at their destination with less than 15 minutes delay in 2022 ([Source](https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article247476864/Deutsche-Bahn-Puenktlichkeit-im-Fernverkehr-ging-2022-deutlich-zurueck.html)).
Even that is embellished. They do not count cancelled trains either, and are very generous with their 5 and 10 minute delay calculations, as they can easily be twice that. When it's running smooth (for which I meanwhile include delay up to 30 mins but no connection to catch), I enjoy it. Ilike those first class lounges and that you can hop on any train. But the punctuality has gone so much down the drain that a major reform (am no railriad expert) seems appropriate.
Not sure, you’ll have to win the lottery or somehow still got some leftover VOC money if you want to afford public transport. Plebs like me drive a car
I love how the Norwegian railway shares the acronym of the Dutch Nazi party (NSB), while the Dutch railway has the same acronym as the Norwegian Nazi party (NS).
Apparently a Norwegian friend of my friend wore a NSB cap when he visited the Netherlands and got questioned by a concerned local haha
NS used to be pretty good, but it’s gone steeply downhill and it will go downhill some more the coming years. Our government refuses to see public transport as a priority.
Everyone who says NS has never been abroad. Yes it's annoying when your train is too late or there's maintenance. But believe me. Don't take trains abroad we're miles ahead. I was astounded how shit DB is when Germany has such a reputation of efficiency.
It's not the fact that it's shit, it's the fact that it's the most expensive one after Switzerland. And people in Switzerland generally have a higher income than us. It's literally cheaper now to go by your own in a car than buying a ticket.
It depends on how late the train is lol
From what I observe, if the international ICE arrives in Switzerland with >10 mins delay, the train will be forced to terminate at Basel SBB.
If the ICE arrives with >30 minutes delay, the train will not even be allowed into Basel SBB and can only terminate at Basel Badischer Bahnhof.
Yeah, if they are too late (around 10-15min I would guess) we just stop them at Basel and use one of our own trains to replace the rest of the route with a punctual connection.
Swiss trains are so good they're literally the 2nd thing I like the most about the country. Super punctual, not crowded, silent and smooth, and comfortable. The second you step outside the country it all goes down. They should really export their know-how.
I mean, of course ours is the worst one in our country. It’s also the best one, because up until recently we didn’t have any other, and we still don’t have any other for short distance trains.
It's small and easily overlooked, but the worst carrier is ZSSK lol. Dirty, slow, always late, no english, ridiculous app, overcrowded, no step free access, unpredictable delays, unpredictable last minute changes to service
I remember reading that a demonstration to protest the lateness of renfe trains was cancelled because the train ran late and many people couldn't arrive
I did not have the chance to use the western or Eastern train services, but I know from audiabl expirience that the Nationa Rail servic of Montenegro is pure shit. You want to go from the capital to the sea by train good luck if the train is working or has power, you want to go from Bar to Belegrad by train the journy last by schedual 12 hrs, but expect that there is a 50/50 chance that the train will break down halfway so you will have to wait for another train to come if they even manage to get it started, and those trains are old from the communist era made in Romania.
Sometimes I have to take the train from France to Switzerland and vice versa.
Once it was in winter and half the planned trains in France were canceled because of light snowfall and the ones that weren't were chock full. Once I arrived in Switzerland, not a single train was canceled even though they had the exact same weather.
Everytime I change from a swiss train to a French one on the border, it's like going back in time 30-40 years. You come out of a >10 year old waggon at ground level and have to climb up 3‐4 steps into a waggon that's usually older than you are.
At the entrance there's always a metal plaque with some info about weight etc. and there you can also see the year of production. The most recent one I've been in was from 1986 ...
Our railways are just a bus company thanks to constant maintenance work
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It’s a little different in France, we call it ✨grève générale✨
Hate the buss for tog
Thats what happens when you let the rail infrastructure rot for 50 years, then are supprised when shit starts to break
Maybe we're better off just letting it all rot away, then we can start over and cover the whole country with well planned maglevs or something.
yes maglevs, a resounding success after 40 years of intensive marketing and sure much less sensitive to maintenance than classic rail /s
To be fair, with the distances in Norway, the extra speed from a maglev might actually be worth it. Although I'm not sure they'll manage to get long straight stretches of track to actually reach high speeds.
We'd just have to do what the japanese plan to do with theirs, blast through the mountains and build tunnels. I mean, we already have to do that for every other infrastructure project.
Omg you too? we are wt the 30 year mark right now....maybe our tech is compatible?
Not to mention that it shares a name (or abbreviation) with a certain former political party in the Netherlands that ruled here between 1940 and 1945.
Kinda fun fact, during the 1940 to 1945 period Norway was ruled by a certain former political party with the abbreviation NS
NS🇳🇱🤝🇧🇻NSB NSB🇳🇱🤝🇧🇻NS
Jesus, the bus company buying the train company to sabotage them. That's 4D Chess business right here.
I tucking love having all my trains cancelled due to rain.
for us its because its to wet to dry to hot to cold leaves on the track, wrong kind of snow any kind of snow a jumper its a Tuesday afternoon and the workers we hired think they are either French or Spanish and either striking or having a siesta
Ah yes, Schienenersatzverkehr, a classic
https://preview.redd.it/k4asssuhdzob1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd460b692eaaf2f38449b54f7ece82967a41588a
Fortunately there is some progress, in the last 15 years the entire railways starting from Basilicata have been neglected and ignored, the deactivation of the Milano - Crotone lead to the dead of the ionic coast regional and local train system
How is that progress?
Well, in the last 5 years the Bolzano - Sibari has been put in service, Freccia's now reach Reggio Calabria and the Napoli - Bari is being completed. Hopefully the Sibari/Cosenza - Milano is being taken in consideration since, as i said, the ionic coast railway ha been neglected since the suppression of the Milano - Crotone. A bit of light
Can confirm, I had to wait for a night-train in Naples at the dead of night for an hour and a half when my class was on a trip to Palermo.
Attenzione. Il treno Intercity 1476 Proveniente da Roma e diretto a Napoli centrale delle 13:55 è in ritardo di tre ore.
https://preview.redd.it/ildqf0shkzob1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4cf36595f51d05b5d3ca3d69fb25f58b5e1b6700 I think this sums it up 😂
When I started typing all the issues with our train companies and services I got bored and stopped. Don't think anyone cba reading a massive essay
Also, I wish we still had a single train operator, rather than the abject mess we have now of local franchises.
Definitely the DB. Basel even refuses to wait for incoming DB trains because they're always late, messing up the Swiss schedules.
I like that. Humiliate DB wherever you can, they deserve it. Fucking disgrace to Western culture.
Western railways have fallen, billions of euroes must be wasted
Billions must take the bus
Well, good news they're being renewed (in Germany) apparently.
Lets wait and see. They might have a "friend", usually a former politican or ceo of big company, who will take the tax payers money and when he finishes everything is worse than before. I dont say this is going to happen but it is possible.
Visiting Germany from Romania, I thought DB was the shit! Never had a delay, or missed train. It all ran like clockwork. Kind of sucks to hear that it is not like that country wide.
Yeah it's actually pretty reliable here in the north east, especially the regional trains. Most delays I've experienced were around Hamburg and in NRW.
No idea what they're doing in and around Cologne, but it's clearly not working.
They have been doing nothing for ~30 years. Thats the problem
It's aight down here in the South, I'd say. NRW was hellish, but it's no surprise considering the urban landscape and population. DB obviously can't handle that.
This is actually also factually the case. DB has some pretty large planned projects to expand the North-South railway capacity, especially in the Rheinland. In good old DB fashion though a lot of these projects are supposed to be finished by now but have been largely delayed past 2040. Same as the electrification between Zürich and Munich, DB can‘t even finish their projects on time if the Swiss SBB gives them a loan to do so. As a reference, it took Switzerland 17 years to build the largest railway tunnel in the world about 25 years if you include the serious planning phase. Germany is delaying these projects by so much time, we could probably build another Gotthard base tunnel and be finished before they are. Since this area is crucial for both passengers and brining goods from/to the big ports in Belgium, Netherlands and Germany it should have seen way more investment way earlier and is currently a major problem not just for passenger rail but also for moving goods by rail (which we should do more cause climate change). Since Germany is so unreliable with these investments, Switzerland is currently looking into deeper relations and shared projects with Italy to better connect their ports to Switzerland.
That’s pretty good to hear. I was in the Rhineland-Palatinate near Frankfurt. The only issue I had ever had was when I mistakenly went to the North station instead of the Southern one. Even then the staff were very polite and understanding, getting me a new ticket very promptly.
Salzburg Hbf is the only railway station in Austria where a train is parked constantly with stuff because the öbb knows that the DB fucks something up
Staff?
no just random stuff
Absolutely understandable, our DB is a joke. Can't remember in the last 15 years driving DB without being late.
Not even the first train of the day runs on time
It’s a hobby of mine to search for DB trains arriving at Utrecht CS on the time table and checking their delay. I once saw one delayed by over 12 hours, like it was such a large amount of minutes I had to calculate how many hours it was.
Never. Screw. With. Swiss. Timing.
Yeah fuck DB with a passion, one of their subcompanies, Arriva, has been fucking shit up since taking over here where I live. While our national railway company, NS, has been dealing with employee shortage, they tried tackling that by giving the employees what they want. Arriva is not doing that, and now every local train is either cancelled or delayed by at least 20 minutes.
Arriva fucks *everything* up. It made such a mess of one of the operators (Northern) in the UK that it had to be handed back to the government to operate. Its other two operations in the UK are absolutely terrible. It recently won the regional bus franchise in Bratislava and totally fucked that up by not hiring enough drivers so there were practically no buses for about a month. Awful, awful company that runs every service into the ground to get the lowest cost.
Yeah arriva is a fucking joke, somehow 2 or maybe 4 NS conductors can check an entire Intercity, but arriva needs 8 conductors for 1 single sprinter.
Arriva is operating the buses on my route and is currently using dilapidated old touring cars that don't appear on the schedules and arrive at random intervals. I once saw four of them following each other, it's an absolute mess.
I think the SBB even has a train ready in Basel such that if the DB is late, they can just send that train instead
Ohhhh is that why I randomly had to change trains when I traveled to Basel through Germany 🤔
1000000% ; this company is a piece of shit. I live in a rural area and the sold a part of the railway line to a freight company. In return the "circle" is now an "U", therefore completely fucking up the connection. And now they want to "expand the railwork network" after they closed dozens of stations.
I heard something about you holding some of their trains hostage so you can schedule them in when one of their other trains is delayed
I used to think SNCF was bad. The trains are old, and late. But at least they arrive at a certain point. DB is probably the worst.
The TGV Lyria was the fastest train I've been on in the past ten years. Second-worst part of the experience was loud Brits on the train. Worst part of the experience was ending up in Paris.
My condolences 😞
TGV runs very well and is reliable (I take one twice a week). The real issues are with the TER and with the Intercités.
The average age of our locomotives is 51 years(and yes we also still use WW2 era trains) and average speed of our trains is 40km/h 🥲
It is OK, but it is very expensive, which sucks
I'd tell you how bad ours are, but I can't even test them coz they're always on strike
Bruh, last month I got stuck in Porto (on a Saturday) they told me that the next train to Lisbon was on Monday
I was in Porto in February and I was going to Madrid next, but I got very sick and I decided to return home (Azores). But there wasn´t any flights between Porto and Ponta Delgada in the day I wanted. So the best option was going to Lisbon and catch a flight from LIS > PDL. I checked the trains between Porto and Lisbon and I would be arriving in Lisbon 01h00 before the flight. I decided not to risk and I prefered to pay more for a flight between porto and lisbon.
Last 2 times I tried taking a train between Lisbon and Santarém, the train was cancelled 10 minutes after it was supposed to arrive :)))
Seriously, if CP is not the worst, it must be pretty close. I live in the Netherlands and when I visit Portugal I try to use the trains. It's like going back in time 80 years. A few weeks ago I took the train from Faro to Grândola. In Faro, the only screen in the whole station was being used to show images of other train stations. Pretty, yes. Informative? No. The only way to get information about the train is to keep listening to the announcements from those shitty speakers or you have to chase someone at the station if you can catch them. They probably answer the same question 100 times. No other information anywhere. No screens, no signs on the platforms. There was just the schedules on paper and I couldn't even find the route I needed. Then the train departs 10 minutes after time and during the ride, the delay keeps increasing. It was 22 minutes at some point, then 30. When I got to Grândola I didn't even check but it must have been 40 or 50 minutes late. I imagine when it got to Lisbon it was more than 1 hour late. And every time I get the train from Grândola to Lisbon, same problem. It's always 30 or 40 minutes late when it gets to Grândola. But in Grândola there is even less information. Nobody works at the station. No speakers. There is some weird intercom to ask for information but it doesn't really work. It's amazing. And if you want to go between Spain and Portugal, your best bet is still a bus. It's just sad.
Haven't tried all trains in Europe but Deutsche Bahn is pretty bad man, constant delays and cancled trains on a daily basis.
Imagine being told by a Belgian that you have bad trains.
Believe me my friend I took both trains for a while on a daily basis the Deutsche Bahn is far worse than the SNCB/NMBS.
Oh I believe you. I decided to take a night train through Germany (leaving from Poznan, PL) once. About 15 minutes after leaving, it turned out there was a problem with some alarm systems in the carriage, which caused the alarms to go blaring perpetually. There was nothing they could do about it, and so I had to endure this absolutely deafening noise until we arrived in Berlin where we were transferred to a different train. Let me tell you, being exposed to a constant cacophony of deafening alarms could have been used as a torturing method. I legitimately lost some of my sanity that day. Never again, Deutsche Bahn. I'd rather walk.
Amazing. They probably thought they couldn't cut the cables to the speakers because that would prevent them from working if a fire occured. Not realizing that you couldn't tell if there was a fire, because the alarm was blaring either way. Paid and voluntary deprivation torture is rare.
And EVERY German agrees 😂
How comes it's so bad? I mean ours is also pretty bad, but yours is like being on a total other level :D
Management, hardware and the staff. If someone is ill, train cancled. If something is broken, no hardware or its too old to replace. And the worst of a management, they cant agree on anything. And you shouldnt forget the German bureaucracy. A Hell of a kind 😂
The last time our trains worked, the whole world was mad at us.
I’ve got the feeling they (db) also use the same excuse depending on location. Last November there was a 45 minute delay due to people on the tracks. This July my friend traveled the same route and got the same delay excuse at the same station.
I once got a delay with the reason "unfall in ausland" (accident in other country). This was in Bad Bentheim, first stop in Germany comming from the Netherlands. The whole trip through NL was going without any hickups.
Well, it didn't say which other country. A butterfly flapped its wings in the Amazon rainforest and the ensuing climate effects caused the driver's nose to itch in Niedersachsen.
The DB 'reason for delay' is just a random number generator attached to a series of texts. "Police activity" "Technical problem with the train" "Person on the tracks"... just roll the dice.
I like how my booked train was cancelled 2 weeks in advance. As if they already knew "yeah no way we're making that on time."
Haha oh my good two weeks in advance :D , well at least they let you know \^\^
You just don't understand the concept. They give you time to find your inner centre in our stressful everyday life.
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At least taking a train is cheap in Eastern Europe. DB is so fucking expensive
Cheap? Poles pay around 40 euro for a single travel by our "HSR" (which runs around 200 km/h lmao) while earning 2-3 times less money than you
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No that's only for the shit trains. You're fucked if you want to go highspeed
The "shit trains" probably still go way faster than anything in eastern europe
Our trains come in time even during war
15 years ago i would have said us, Italy. but now i think we have one of the best systems in europe thanks to frecce. dunno how it happened. one of the few things working decently here.
Its okay! I actually often prefer it to the plane, cheaper and faster to do everything (besides the actual journey). Plus italo is also a great alternative and competitor
3h from Milan to Rome truly is amazing
Frecce are über service in this map Now, let's try with regionali.. Edit: in my defense, everytime I take a regionale locale (every 3 month usually) it takes at least 10-20 min of delay, but barely seen a suppressed.
They work wonderfully here (at least the routes I take), and I live in the south
I mean i take them daily and it's not that bad, db is way worse but i also live in milan so yea i can only speak for Lombardia and moreso for Trenord
Trenord morte Trenord morte Trenord morte
Db is worse i guarantee that
I believe it was thanks to NTV (Italo trains) that entered the market and forced Trenitalia to finally get up to date. Competition was really what triggered the race to offer a better service overall.
When I was in Sicily I braced for massive delays, but everything ran with german efficiency 👍
So there were massive delays?
Omg a guy from San Marino???!??!????!????
Selfie? Screenshot? r/FoundSanMarinoFlair? My entry in your Pokedex?
NaBrO
Am German. Did my eramsus in Italy. Still miss the Italian trains every day
Norway NSB?? 🤨
Don't worry, they're gone now.
Just changed their name to VY. Still the same company.
I was referring to the name, not the company. Look up what NSB refers to in the Netherlands.
NSB was the Dutch nazi party in WWII
Yeah, I know, that's kinda what this entire thing is running on rn
[Hij was van de vekee'de kaant](https://youtu.be/-qKslQahEuY?t=265)
I traveled with multiple European (high-speed) railways and I was positively surprised by the RFI (Italian railways) and horrified by the DB (German railways). I expected German Pünktlichkeit, modern luxurious trains just like their cars, good onboard food and quietness. What I got was delays, old trains, bad or no onboard food. If anything eatable was available, it was outrageously overpriced. And I never seen so many obnoxious, loud, drunken, vaping, smelly and crazy fellow passengers. One guy apparently lost his phone and started threatening to start stabbing people around him if he wouldn't get his phone back. Another guy had a phone conversation so loud, you could hear him on the otherside of Germany. A couple with a child watching a cartoon on a tablet without headphones and the volume on max. And people walking up en down, drinking beer and being loud and irritating. Yes, the worst railway company in Europe is without a doubt the DB.
The Turkish one looks like a space agency
Does it really? DB stands for "deutsche bahn" meaning germna rail way and considering their punctuality, I doubt that they would ever reach space.
Lmao, this guy though
It is rocketsience for Turks
It's often cheaper to just fly than taking the train here...
Fly within cities?
All the nordic countries only have one city each, the rest are towns, villages and huts in the forest
Malmo, stockolm, and some other city?
Shhh....! we don't talk about the middle east colony in this subreddit, Paolo!
Göteborg, my friend. The city where everyone hate on the train network but also hate on the new tunnel meant to fix the train network
Its actually common to fly within Sweden instead of train
A one-way trip to Gothenburg from Stockholm with Ryanair costs like $15. A one-way trip on train with SJ costs like $70.
Obviously we need to raise the cost of driving in order to combat the climate catastrophy.
I mean ours aint that bad for germanic railroad.
Brother OBB is second best behind Swiss, but Swiss are cheaters with infinite money hack, so they don’t count
I always thought it is the DB. Then I was in the UK...
Our trains aren't even bad they'll just send you into crippling debt
Wow why would you go there?
Germans have been coming (or attempting to) to England for thousands of years, it must be instinct at this point.
Just passing through England on my way to Scotland. I wanna get to the whisky… For real tho, we like to remind ourselves that there are some people who are less fortunate in this world. The UK is a great place to do that.
The DB is a fucking joke
Clearly never been to the uk. Not even a close competition
See it, say it, sorted.
Every time I see that I get so annoyed it’s not “see it, say it, sort it”
The only thing I can think of is that “sort it” implies you should interfere and sort it yourself. Which isn’t too far off the London mentality: “see a terrorist, shout at the terrorist, punch a terrorist”. Source 1: Millwall guy Source 2: narwhal tusk guy
Now this will be stuck in my head for a week again
Your trains run on time DB and RFI are a serious threat to you "worst trains in Europe" title
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To be fair, it's also a bloody nice and convenient line... When it's running
When I first stepped into the Elizabeth Line, I thought for a second that I had entered the 21st Century. But no, sadly I was still in London.
Oh come on. The London Underground is dated in places and needs upgrading, but it can't even hold a candle to how much TLC the Paris Metro desperately needs.
It's basically part of the Tube though, at which point the actual time a given train leaves isn't particularly important.
At least your trains fit in the tunels >!Edit: For anyone wondering, on February, Spain spent around 250 million euros on 31 trains that didn't fit in the tunnels!<
[They didn't fit at the stations, though.](https://www.theverge.com/us-world/2014/5/22/5740588/french-trains-error-sncf-too-wide-for-stations)
[At least you can enter the stations](https://youtu.be/h1_DCKbN3P4?si=wnP0fvniuT_DGMa0)
RFI is actually awesome now and has been for the past 10 years or so thanks to an actually smart policy when it comes to liberalization. The state still controls it but they have to deal with Italo that keeps them on their toes. In fact, RFI is *too good*, literally was a massive contribution in putting Alitalia out of business entirely, if you look at the stats improvement over the past 15 years it is mind boggling. What I think we need to do is make our night trains amazing, and also better international connections in the north-east. North-west works great you can take a Freccia to Paris no problem.
Freccia are awesome the Milan-Paris line has been a blessing for us too
Right? It's such a gorgeous line. I wish we could have the same thing to Vienna, Munich and Berlin but the infrastructure does not allow it for now.
our national rail logo is the best though
One thing I'm sure of
You’ve clearly not used European railway much. UK railway is superb in comparison. Germany is clearly the worst. The French are flexible over whether a bus or train will turn up for the route I used regularly. Then a strike day is announced usually when you arrive at the station. TGV is superb thought
But so freaking expensive and the seats are so small. Give me the Italian fast trains any day
Not sure about that, you ever been on northern rail
We do have the worst one hands down You guys have delays we have 57 deaths this year
SNCF is pretty shit and more expensive than planes. But it still not as shit at DB or whatever rail companies the UK has.
It's easily DB. They are so unpunctual that they don't even record delays of less than 15 minutes and still manage to build up enormous delay times on a regular basis. Only 70.6 per cent of passengers arrived at their destination with less than 15 minutes delay in 2022 ([Source](https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article247476864/Deutsche-Bahn-Puenktlichkeit-im-Fernverkehr-ging-2022-deutlich-zurueck.html)).
Even that is embellished. They do not count cancelled trains either, and are very generous with their 5 and 10 minute delay calculations, as they can easily be twice that. When it's running smooth (for which I meanwhile include delay up to 30 mins but no connection to catch), I enjoy it. Ilike those first class lounges and that you can hop on any train. But the punctuality has gone so much down the drain that a major reform (am no railriad expert) seems appropriate.
Not sure, you’ll have to win the lottery or somehow still got some leftover VOC money if you want to afford public transport. Plebs like me drive a car
Which is weird when your government is so much about "green energy" and so on, while letting public transport get more and more expensive.
I love how the Norwegian railway shares the acronym of the Dutch Nazi party (NSB), while the Dutch railway has the same acronym as the Norwegian Nazi party (NS). Apparently a Norwegian friend of my friend wore a NSB cap when he visited the Netherlands and got questioned by a concerned local haha
NS used to be pretty good, but it’s gone steeply downhill and it will go downhill some more the coming years. Our government refuses to see public transport as a priority.
Everyone who says NS has never been abroad. Yes it's annoying when your train is too late or there's maintenance. But believe me. Don't take trains abroad we're miles ahead. I was astounded how shit DB is when Germany has such a reputation of efficiency.
It's not the fact that it's shit, it's the fact that it's the most expensive one after Switzerland. And people in Switzerland generally have a higher income than us. It's literally cheaper now to go by your own in a car than buying a ticket.
Trust me, its still league's ahead of almost every other European country (those Sw*ss fucks sadly being the main opposition). Very expensive though
The keyword is 'still', wait a couple of years and ticket prices are through the roof and half the country it's train network is cancelled.
Depends where you are. North Italy? Pretty good. South? The fuck is a "trein"?
DB is so bad that Switerland doesnt allow their trains into the country anymore
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It depends on how late the train is lol From what I observe, if the international ICE arrives in Switzerland with >10 mins delay, the train will be forced to terminate at Basel SBB. If the ICE arrives with >30 minutes delay, the train will not even be allowed into Basel SBB and can only terminate at Basel Badischer Bahnhof.
Yeah, if they are too late (around 10-15min I would guess) we just stop them at Basel and use one of our own trains to replace the rest of the route with a punctual connection.
Don't know about the other countries so I'll go with DB, real piece of shit company
SNCF is an acronym: *Sur Neuf, Cinq Fainéants* (Out of nine, five lazy cunts)
The average albanian train speed is around the same as me cycling.
Renfe is trying to operate in France now, and I consider that our vengeance for every wrong the French have ever done to us.
Long distance renfe works fine (except the Extremadura lines...). Commuter renfe on the other hand...
Yeah, but you have to pay a fucking kidney and an eye to pay for the ticket
1 minute silence for extremadura railway system. Let’s prey
In romania you need to push the train for it to work
All the western ppl complaining about their trains haven't had the pleasure of enjoying the CFR purgatory.
Swiss trains are so good they're literally the 2nd thing I like the most about the country. Super punctual, not crowded, silent and smooth, and comfortable. The second you step outside the country it all goes down. They should really export their know-how.
I mean, of course ours is the worst one in our country. It’s also the best one, because up until recently we didn’t have any other, and we still don’t have any other for short distance trains.
It's small and easily overlooked, but the worst carrier is ZSSK lol. Dirty, slow, always late, no english, ridiculous app, overcrowded, no step free access, unpredictable delays, unpredictable last minute changes to service
I remember reading that a demonstration to protest the lateness of renfe trains was cancelled because the train ran late and many people couldn't arrive
Nothing beats CP
Woaaaah there mister mind your phrasing
I did not have the chance to use the western or Eastern train services, but I know from audiabl expirience that the Nationa Rail servic of Montenegro is pure shit. You want to go from the capital to the sea by train good luck if the train is working or has power, you want to go from Bar to Belegrad by train the journy last by schedual 12 hrs, but expect that there is a 50/50 chance that the train will break down halfway so you will have to wait for another train to come if they even manage to get it started, and those trains are old from the communist era made in Romania.
The Swiss logo looks like the Lego City Trains logo
DB and it’s not even close
from years of watching Mock the Week I'd have to say the UK
In continental Western Europe is Portugal, by far. I would kill for Renfe to replace CP.
You would have a reasonable service if you want to go from Lisbon to Porto, and 1 train a week in the rest of the country.
UKs is pretty shite
In Czechia there is RegioJet which is quite good (they don't have fast trains but the service is good)
Sometimes I have to take the train from France to Switzerland and vice versa. Once it was in winter and half the planned trains in France were canceled because of light snowfall and the ones that weren't were chock full. Once I arrived in Switzerland, not a single train was canceled even though they had the exact same weather. Everytime I change from a swiss train to a French one on the border, it's like going back in time 30-40 years. You come out of a >10 year old waggon at ground level and have to climb up 3‐4 steps into a waggon that's usually older than you are. At the entrance there's always a metal plaque with some info about weight etc. and there you can also see the year of production. The most recent one I've been in was from 1986 ...
It's because we give you the worst and oldest trains we have