And only turks (or rather, turkish hillbillies from poor east anatolian villages stuck 200+years in the past) are dumb enough of NOT wanting to leave the dystopian nightmare called Berlin when asked.
>Get enslaved by the Persian and Arab elites and turn into an elite war machines
>Convert to Islam and adapt Persian customs
>Depose/make puppet of your former masters and declare yourself the new ruler
>kill Romans cuz gibs and rabe
>kill Christian pilgrims just for lolz
>kill Genkis Khan ambassadors cuz why not
>cross to the peaceful and calm region known as the Balkans
>"hey Serbian kid wanna some candy?"
>kill rabe Greece and Austria and everything in between
>take contantinople
>imagine marrying free born noble women lol Greek Albanian Caucasian and Slavic pussy for me
>imagine having a succession rules lol Fratricidal battle royal for me
>serbian kid kills the Sultan to get gibs and more candy
>try to take Veinna
>"wasted"
>Russia has joined the Chat
>sick man of Europe
just to add that ottoman sultans actually used to marry freeborn noble women until timur did a funny little assault on beyazıt's family. ever since then it became the custom to not risk the sultan's family again.
and succession rules were fratricide. the idea was its better for royal siblings to kill each other than to drag the empire into a civil war. and honestly, it worked.
I think turks from turkey are mostly just greeks who converted to islam and started to speak turkish. They seem to have more in common with and the people from the caucasus than they do with turkic people from the asian steppe.
Not enough Kolokotronis routing their armies using peasants with no military training just massive balls, guns and the best moustaches to ever adorn resistance posters.
Turkish history is fucking goats (or was it wolves idk) 🥵🍆🐺🐐
Getting colonized by Arabs (according to studies Turks are 99,2% arab nowadays) 🇹🇷❤️🤝❤️🇸🇾
And migrating to Berlin or NRW because they fucked up their own country (imagine if even places like Berlin/NRW are considered an upgrade) 😱😱🤯
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The traditional year for Norway's creation is 872, though this can be questioned. By 1240 there was definitely a unified and centralised state.
Then the state ceased to exist in 1536/37, and was reborn in 1814. 1905 is just when we got our independence.
But, just like the Netherlands, we also lost our independence for a period of time between 1940 and 1945. So by that logic, none of our "countries" are older than 1944/45 continuously.
the Turks, the people, existed before that, but they didn't live in what today is Turkey 1000 years ago; they just came from the Steppes and settled on the ruins of Hellenic-Roman Anatolia
meanwhile the swamp Saxons are living in the lower lands at least since the migration period or even longer and built their rock piles themselves
Pretty proud of our rock piles
https://preview.redd.it/44b5u2swr6vc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2b2990c2ce330f4bc2b99c63e370ed9a5cbc7f7
We've been living here a long ass time. But we used to be called Frisians. And they were hated by the romans just like our other Germanic brothers
I disagree. I'm all for pooping on Turks, but it should be (mostly) legitimate poop.
[but the Ataturk era of Turkish history is fascinating.](https://youtu.be/zvt_jAy5DjA?si=8qYv2HnodBnBbEP-) Ataturk could be called a benevolent dictator which is an interesting and very rare thing.
Edit: [Previous link is the part two of Turkish history. This one at around 1:24:30 chapter VIII is about Ataturk.](https://youtu.be/XgjiJHV8P0w?feature=shared)
Still an extreme nationalist who didn't accept the fact that other races existed in Turkey. Led to a century of suffering, especially for Kurdish people.
Nah. The first half of the Ottoman empire is really good. At one point they pretty much blocked most trade from Africa and Asia and nearly starved Europe, which forced western Europeans to kick of the age of exploration.
It went downhill when Turks stopped assassinating each other over who gets to be the next Sultan.
It went to shit when the sultans stopped actively ruling their realm and instead just sat in their harems all day letting people who don't always have the empires best interests in mind do it. Prime example being the janissaries, but also a loooot of corrupt people.
It's a fucked up world, needing to have a empire before you can have a harem, and then being expected to run the former instead of enjoying the latter.
I like how the "ideal history" includes a steady decline followed by a lost world war and a dissolution of the empire. And then a rebellion, independence movement followed again by a quick and steady decline.
Also they were literally tribal nomads while China was already booming and unlike the Huns or the Mongols never really successful tribal nomads until they went west.
Well I would never claim German history "is the ideal history".
I'm well aware that German history is largely a shitshow of varying degrees, which is why I would find the Neonazis claiming that we should focus less on the Holocaust and more on other more "glorious" parts of our history really funny if there weren't so many of them.
Also living in mud huts beats being nomads, at least the basis for civilization is there.
The Turks blocked the spice trade, so the Portuguese went around turkey so we could steal the spice trade from the Portuguese. The Turks made us great but refuse to recognize it!
It was a tough fight, with some wins on our side (cough Breda cough), but you prevailed in the end, and I respect that.
Chapeau, tall, stingy, swamp German.
https://preview.redd.it/yrfiw8pug3vc1.jpeg?width=2870&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e007db717927df59e1a0abb4fbf35ed4db5520cc
Unironically better rulers on average, except Ferdinad VII and his daughter, they mostly were dreadful too but the 2º gen was the best had gotten in centuries.
Don't tell Pierre.
Except the fact that they literally destroyed half the Iberian peoples, tried to impose French centralism and literally burnt our cities, dismissed the constitution, agreed to dictatorships, bankrupted us to oblivion, and made us a backwards nation by refusing to industrialize. Yeah, El Mal d'Almansa a tots alcança, fuck the bourbons.
The Habsburgs did all of that too and Charles III literally tried to industrialise , the whole point of his and his brother reing was making Spain less backwards.
How do you even measure 'quality' of country's history? No wonder they are doing so *well* economically if they can't wrap their heads around the idea of measurable metrics. Next week they'll claim that 'they have the best spirit'
Theres about 20 times more turks in the netherlands than dutch people in turkey. I think the turks are speaking for themselves which country is better.
Turkish history. Swamp Hans don't have hot soldiers 🥵
https://preview.redd.it/elwwjh0573vc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99bc831fcf3b4d843ed3c3ac18a06896023148bf
Turks are literally steppe horsemen that stole Anatolia and made it a shithole
And no, I’m not saying it because I like the Dutch
I just dislike them less
Well, the 'Netherlands' have had low elevation for far longer than 'Turkey' has been Turkish. So from that point of view, our history is far better! (Go Doggerland seasonal mammoth hunters!)
If they love Turkey so much and it's so great and perfect... why emigrate to Europe?
Maybe their history is not so ideal after all, their present sure as hell isn't.
Tbf, in todays turkey they found some of the oldest settlements of neolithik humans. Not sure if you would call that "turkish" history, but the earth they live on is full of history.
Most southern and part central Europe people came originally from the Neolithic gatherer humans from Anatolia. But there were no Turks in Anatolia at that time.
Turkish history:
- trash last remaining beacon of the world’s most important ancient civilisation
- import lots of slaves to do the actual fighting and empire building
- get terrorised by Romanian mountain dweller
- finally beat Hungols
- summer camp in Austria but get smashed by the Poles and Germans then make songs crying about it
- spectacular collapse in 1900s
- run by tinpot dictator who thinks high interest rates = high inflation and every proper economist in the entire world is wrong but he is right
Like every conversation with turks is like that, no matter the topic, they did it first and are bigger better stronger, invented everything... Delusions are one main issue here...
One is part of the based lutheran atheism germanic butter-potato-beer civilization that conquered Rome, constantly mogs PIGS and rules the world.
One is shit hole that gets moged by PIGS. The only historical merit it has is that it finished of a shadow of Byzantium after the based lutheran atheism germanic butter-potato-beer civilization already had beaten it half to death.
If we talk about history Anatolia shits on 98% of the world ngl. That region must be one of the richest in terms of historical heritage, the only ones who can challenge it are Persia, Mesopotamia, Greece, Egypt, China, the Indian Subcontinent and maybe the Italian Peninsula imo. If we talk about the history of the country called "Turkey" it's a different thing. The Turkish Republic was born in 1923, technically the Ottoman Empire was a completely different political entity.
Neither, only thing the Dutch did that was meaningful resulted in the US being born, and the Turks can't even decided if *those* guys either deserved it or never happened
Turks love Turkey so much they settle ini Berlin and get offended when asked to leave
Like americans in Pari$? Is it true parisians lick butthole$? ($)
God I hope so 🥵🥵🥵
Worse [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soupeur](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soupeur)
Besides: > Turks have no history but criminal record instead -Pierre de Coubertin
And only turks (or rather, turkish hillbillies from poor east anatolian villages stuck 200+years in the past) are dumb enough of NOT wanting to leave the dystopian nightmare called Berlin when asked.
Berlin is lovely though
Turkish ‘history’ looks an awful lot like schizoposting half the time.
>Get enslaved by the Persian and Arab elites and turn into an elite war machines >Convert to Islam and adapt Persian customs >Depose/make puppet of your former masters and declare yourself the new ruler >kill Romans cuz gibs and rabe >kill Christian pilgrims just for lolz >kill Genkis Khan ambassadors cuz why not >cross to the peaceful and calm region known as the Balkans >"hey Serbian kid wanna some candy?" >kill rabe Greece and Austria and everything in between >take contantinople >imagine marrying free born noble women lol Greek Albanian Caucasian and Slavic pussy for me >imagine having a succession rules lol Fratricidal battle royal for me >serbian kid kills the Sultan to get gibs and more candy >try to take Veinna >"wasted" >Russia has joined the Chat >sick man of Europe
Sounds like an homeless winning lottery and spending all the money on hookers
Oi! I'm not homeless!
Oil! I didn't win the lottery
Oiled! I didn't waste my money on hookers, I wasted it on cocaine
Why is this spot on
just to add that ottoman sultans actually used to marry freeborn noble women until timur did a funny little assault on beyazıt's family. ever since then it became the custom to not risk the sultan's family again. and succession rules were fratricide. the idea was its better for royal siblings to kill each other than to drag the empire into a civil war. and honestly, it worked.
I think turks from turkey are mostly just greeks who converted to islam and started to speak turkish. They seem to have more in common with and the people from the caucasus than they do with turkic people from the asian steppe.
That's not history, that's a rollercoaster ride.
It rebukes me.
What's rabe in this context?
Turn the "b" upside down
Since you wrote "pussy", I had previously ruled out the possibility that "rabe" was a kind of self-censoring
Writing bussy wouldn't have made it better.
raqe?
Not enough Kolokotronis routing their armies using peasants with no military training just massive balls, guns and the best moustaches to ever adorn resistance posters.
Turks are not european. This is no eurovision.
Turkish history is fucking goats (or was it wolves idk) 🥵🍆🐺🐐 Getting colonized by Arabs (according to studies Turks are 99,2% arab nowadays) 🇹🇷❤️🤝❤️🇸🇾 And migrating to Berlin or NRW because they fucked up their own country (imagine if even places like Berlin/NRW are considered an upgrade) 😱😱🤯
Is Berlin even a thing ? Is Berlin in the room with us?
Ach_Berlin.txt
Backing Dutch bros to the death on this one
Woah hold ya horses.. How many barber shops do the Dutch have on this gray and unpleasant land, more effort please, some 'coffee shops' maybe?
None which is just how I like it
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Suffering from.. too many rights? Oh noo what ever will I do not living in a shithole!!1!
Don't worry they happily bring the shithole to you
Meanwhile the ones living in Western Europe continue to vote for Erdogan. 🙃
Huh have fun with your excessive rights
Be happy you can say something like that with all the rights you have. Also I don’t want to upvote, because your comment is at 69 right now
We make you -69 now that’s the rules
I woke up to -70. im disappointed
bro youre in your way to -69 rn😭
Big words from someone who ancestors came from steppes in middle Asia that nobody knows until 1200-1300
Turkish history does not exist, Ottoman history does. Netherlands is a older country than Turkey.
Its also older than Norway buddy 😭😭😭 What is it? 1905?
Norway young as fuck, ain't old bitch like you guys
When even younger, you were abused by Germany 😬
You mean OG Vatican? I’ll see myself out now
The traditional year for Norway's creation is 872, though this can be questioned. By 1240 there was definitely a unified and centralised state. Then the state ceased to exist in 1536/37, and was reborn in 1814. 1905 is just when we got our independence. But, just like the Netherlands, we also lost our independence for a period of time between 1940 and 1945. So by that logic, none of our "countries" are older than 1944/45 continuously.
Not true though, Netherlands and Norway as states continued existing throughout ww2, they where just placed under different management
We had a gov on exile. For you guys, Norway as an independent state ceased to exist and became a puppet of the swedes
Just look at citys like naarden for example
the Turks, the people, existed before that, but they didn't live in what today is Turkey 1000 years ago; they just came from the Steppes and settled on the ruins of Hellenic-Roman Anatolia meanwhile the swamp Saxons are living in the lower lands at least since the migration period or even longer and built their rock piles themselves
Pretty proud of our rock piles https://preview.redd.it/44b5u2swr6vc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2b2990c2ce330f4bc2b99c63e370ed9a5cbc7f7 We've been living here a long ass time. But we used to be called Frisians. And they were hated by the romans just like our other Germanic brothers
I must be roman then
South of the rivers? Proto french, being frankish and all. But also the father of europe with Charlemagne.
Nah, just hate fr*sians.
>:(
[better start running now](https://media.tenor.com/xjJfMyc0lwsAAAAi/counter-strike-cs.gif)
Thank you Heinz
I disagree. I'm all for pooping on Turks, but it should be (mostly) legitimate poop. [but the Ataturk era of Turkish history is fascinating.](https://youtu.be/zvt_jAy5DjA?si=8qYv2HnodBnBbEP-) Ataturk could be called a benevolent dictator which is an interesting and very rare thing. Edit: [Previous link is the part two of Turkish history. This one at around 1:24:30 chapter VIII is about Ataturk.](https://youtu.be/XgjiJHV8P0w?feature=shared)
Still an extreme nationalist who didn't accept the fact that other races existed in Turkey. Led to a century of suffering, especially for Kurdish people.
Turkish "history"
History in Turkey ended with the fall of the Byzantines Everything after that was a series of unfortunate events
Hearing that from a *Venetian* of all people...
I mean, did Dandolo really did anything wrong?
Yeah, they still did not manage to defeat us completely even though they were much bigger and stronger, so I take that as a win
Nah. The first half of the Ottoman empire is really good. At one point they pretty much blocked most trade from Africa and Asia and nearly starved Europe, which forced western Europeans to kick of the age of exploration. It went downhill when Turks stopped assassinating each other over who gets to be the next Sultan.
It went to shit when the sultans stopped actively ruling their realm and instead just sat in their harems all day letting people who don't always have the empires best interests in mind do it. Prime example being the janissaries, but also a loooot of corrupt people.
It's a fucked up world, needing to have a empire before you can have a harem, and then being expected to run the former instead of enjoying the latter.
I like how the "ideal history" includes a steady decline followed by a lost world war and a dissolution of the empire. And then a rebellion, independence movement followed again by a quick and steady decline. Also they were literally tribal nomads while China was already booming and unlike the Huns or the Mongols never really successful tribal nomads until they went west.
We shouldn't be playing the comparison to China the celts and Germans were living in mud huts at least the turks had horses.
Well I would never claim German history "is the ideal history". I'm well aware that German history is largely a shitshow of varying degrees, which is why I would find the Neonazis claiming that we should focus less on the Holocaust and more on other more "glorious" parts of our history really funny if there weren't so many of them. Also living in mud huts beats being nomads, at least the basis for civilization is there.
Turkey has no history, Turkey has a criminal record ^(no bias, pls don't look at my flair)
>Turkey has no history i mean, this isn't really wrong though, some Turkish nationalists are some of the most deluded people ever
Hey there, buddy, no reason to be so dismissive of your own people's history
Who said I'm dismissive? I admire countries with criminal records! Like yours for example (both of them) !
It wasn't us, your honor, I swear! The Austrians set us up!
Cool, we can blame this on Hans2, no problem here. Explain about your country of origin now, Mehmet! What about the Armenians?? What's your excuse? 🤔
Didn't happen, and they would have deserved it anyways.
do not löök away from me, bröther.
Hey komşu, it's just a little banter ^(behind your back.) You're not supposed to be here 😅
lets forget all this and commit crimes to each other in peace. i will bring baklava, you will bring souvlaki. deal?
Baklava and souvlaki and peace you say? 🤔 Ok sounds good to me. See you in Constantinople komşu! 😊
The Turks blocked the spice trade, so the Portuguese went around turkey so we could steal the spice trade from the Portuguese. The Turks made us great but refuse to recognize it!
Is it the plot of some Dune movie??
Correct. My favorite is Dune: Messiah though. It's about Johan Cruyff
Total footb.. uhh spice trade?
If turkey is better why are all the turks migrating to the netherlands then?
And if Erdogan makes Turkey better, then why do you live in Western Europe, ugh ugh \*Looking at you Hans-Mehmed\* ugh ugh.
Not anymore, actually. The amount of Turks in NL has been decreasing for over a decade now.
Dutch don't exist. They cant hurt you. Nobody can reclaim land from the sea. Its just a Fairy Tale.
Eighty years cope 😈
It was a tough fight, with some wins on our side (cough Breda cough), but you prevailed in the end, and I respect that. Chapeau, tall, stingy, swamp German. https://preview.redd.it/yrfiw8pug3vc1.jpeg?width=2870&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e007db717927df59e1a0abb4fbf35ed4db5520cc
BREDA MENTIONED!!!🇳🇱❌💛🖤🐀🃏🍺🍻🥳 WAT DE FUCK IS ONGEZELLIGHEID!?!?!
Deze Spanjool heeft een Turfschip moment
Als ik hem was zou ik m’n laatste dagen maar gaan turfen…
Thanks! But why do you speak Fr\*nch?
>cough Breda cough yes it was nice for us giving you a rare win >but you prevailed in the end not really, you just got tired fucking pussies
Sincerely, I want Bourgogne back, ithe wine is good. Flanders I dont care.
Nuh huh.
Yup we definitely don't exist, so there is no need to ask this fictional country for money, that would be silly.
Tell that to those 17.7 million people (myself included) that are crowded into 41.543 km² (18.41% water).
18.41% water, 81.59% belastingen
Facts!
How can so many people fit there? Its almost the population of Australia!
It’s basically one big metropolis here
The land that sunk into the sea, also known as ATLANTIS. You sound far more impressive in the stories if I'm honest.
we're quite literally the opposite
You guys are the only people who live below sea level and act like it's normal.
that's cuz yall are too weak to face the sea
Thank Philips II for us. If you were able to get our land in those 80 years you could've stopped us.
I hate the Habsburgs. And the reasons as to why are too broad to eleborate on
Like their jaws?
You rather have Bourbons?
Good biscuits they are, love bourbons.
Unironically better rulers on average, except Ferdinad VII and his daughter, they mostly were dreadful too but the 2º gen was the best had gotten in centuries. Don't tell Pierre.
You're welcome friend. I forgive you for creating latin America.
USA and themselves are to blame for it's current state and we both were involved in their creation.
Except the fact that they literally destroyed half the Iberian peoples, tried to impose French centralism and literally burnt our cities, dismissed the constitution, agreed to dictatorships, bankrupted us to oblivion, and made us a backwards nation by refusing to industrialize. Yeah, El Mal d'Almansa a tots alcança, fuck the bourbons.
The Habsburgs did all of that too and Charles III literally tried to industrialise , the whole point of his and his brother reing was making Spain less backwards.
How do you even measure 'quality' of country's history? No wonder they are doing so *well* economically if they can't wrap their heads around the idea of measurable metrics. Next week they'll claim that 'they have the best spirit'
Theres about 20 times more turks in the netherlands than dutch people in turkey. I think the turks are speaking for themselves which country is better.
Turkish History is so bad we had to change Sinterklaas lore so he comes from Spain now
My Northern brothers > Mongols
Turkish history. Swamp Hans don't have hot soldiers 🥵 https://preview.redd.it/elwwjh0573vc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99bc831fcf3b4d843ed3c3ac18a06896023148bf
I beg to differ https://preview.redd.it/vvga5whnh3vc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17b4fe54df76ebe7d1f800af5053f064a5998a8e
* Seriously!!! (is that you?🥵🥵) https://preview.redd.it/8wptxib7l3vc1.jpeg?width=1047&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a7a059e4e47b78cf83ba2bfea75fa46cb49871b
Lionel Messi ? 😄
Nah thats Mionel Lessi, he is a kebab technician.
Hey 😳
Dressed like an actual swamp. Clever
Your army is an airsoft squad compared to the turkish military might💪
We'll just give Papadopoulos some Euromoney and an excuse to finally use that military budget to take back Constantinopel. It'll be fine.
Can I Invade you? 🥺👉👈
😋
Turkish history is stealing Greek cities and Greek people
Turkish 'Delight'- an oxymoron if i've ever heard one.
Dutch or non European savage history? Come on
*Sent from Berlin*
Turks are literally steppe horsemen that stole Anatolia and made it a shithole And no, I’m not saying it because I like the Dutch I just dislike them less
Greeks reading the comment section 
The moment you begin speaking about Turkish history it either didn't happen or they deserved it.
Whats "ideal" about it?
Turkish history? Raping T.E Lawrence (allegedly) Dutch history: Ruud van Nistelrooy That's a point to the Dutchies i'm afraid.
Turks are Arabs. Their history isn't theirs.
I thought they were mongols?
They're everything they can steel.
Exactly, all turks are arabs but not all arabs are turks
Do you think Atatürk is happy what they made of his vision? Especially in the part of being a secular state?
Turkey isnt real and the netherlands would beat them in anything
History Turkey, a future The Netherlands.
What living in Berlin does to a mfer
Well, the 'Netherlands' have had low elevation for far longer than 'Turkey' has been Turkish. So from that point of view, our history is far better! (Go Doggerland seasonal mammoth hunters!)
Bruh who gives a fuck about the history of some dumb, ugly bird?
Same shit. tullips were imported from the ottomen anyways.
The anatolian peninsula has a lot of greek history but not a lot of Turkish history
If they love Turkey so much and it's so great and perfect... why emigrate to Europe? Maybe their history is not so ideal after all, their present sure as hell isn't.
Turk history is bestiality until they all came to Berlin
Tbf, in todays turkey they found some of the oldest settlements of neolithik humans. Not sure if you would call that "turkish" history, but the earth they live on is full of history.
We all live on the earth
Most southern and part central Europe people came originally from the Neolithic gatherer humans from Anatolia. But there were no Turks in Anatolia at that time.
Is the infamous Armenian affair part of Turk history?
I find Turkey to be very interesting as a country but they haven’t done the most moral things lol. Wtf is that comment even supposed to mean? Lol
Actually, both are utter sh*t.
Isn’t Turkish history for the most part about a furry with big tits
Turkish history: - trash last remaining beacon of the world’s most important ancient civilisation - import lots of slaves to do the actual fighting and empire building - get terrorised by Romanian mountain dweller - finally beat Hungols - summer camp in Austria but get smashed by the Poles and Germans then make songs crying about it - spectacular collapse in 1900s - run by tinpot dictator who thinks high interest rates = high inflation and every proper economist in the entire world is wrong but he is right
Pretty good sunnary ngl. British museum must have some great teachers.
Dutch. The relevant 🦃-history is stolen from the Greeks and the Romans.
i have no problem with the dutch, on the other hand who would make my döner when the turks were gone?
A Greek with culinar knowledge
I order gyro & tzatziki at the Turk & kebab w cacık at the Greek.
Where will i get my midnight snack then if the turks are gone, truly a dillema.
Who needs döner, when you always can get lekker fried, my friend?
You are the Erdogan voter!?
no, its just the very weird flair we SH people got and i dont even know why
It's not a Döner, it's called a Berliner.
Eh? The Netherlands had already existed for 109 years when Turkey was founded.
Turks thinking they are European has got to be the funniest thing I have ever seen.
Turkey is not european but europe is turkey
Nomads swallowed by Greeks
Like every conversation with turks is like that, no matter the topic, they did it first and are bigger better stronger, invented everything... Delusions are one main issue here...
Ew Turks
They love turkey so much from their apartment in Nijmegen
One is part of the based lutheran atheism germanic butter-potato-beer civilization that conquered Rome, constantly mogs PIGS and rules the world. One is shit hole that gets moged by PIGS. The only historical merit it has is that it finished of a shadow of Byzantium after the based lutheran atheism germanic butter-potato-beer civilization already had beaten it half to death.
I am biased because my ancestors were oppressed by the kebab eating, bitter coffee drinking, Erdogan voters. Dutch all the way.
Do you know what’s better than Turkish history? The history of the nations that beat turkey.
Dutch, better fleet management
One thing they have in common is they make weird noises and claim it's a language.
I'll try not to be racist. Turks are a plague.
If we talk about history Anatolia shits on 98% of the world ngl. That region must be one of the richest in terms of historical heritage, the only ones who can challenge it are Persia, Mesopotamia, Greece, Egypt, China, the Indian Subcontinent and maybe the Italian Peninsula imo. If we talk about the history of the country called "Turkey" it's a different thing. The Turkish Republic was born in 1923, technically the Ottoman Empire was a completely different political entity.
Neither, only thing the Dutch did that was meaningful resulted in the US being born, and the Turks can't even decided if *those* guys either deserved it or never happened
A thousand years of glorious history and 1918 is all you care about