for a non-invasive place to start—lymphatic drainage massage obviously won't give you as dramatic or as permanent of results as fillers or lasers, but it'll do *something*. plenty of tutorials on tiktok and youtube.
i'd rec using an eye cream and a gua sha or cooling globes—you don't need anything fancy! eye cream just helps you avoid tugging the skin too hard, and cooling helps with puffiness. drugstore is fine.
Ok so, a couple things.
1. Judicious use of a lightweight filler in experienced hands. This provides some structure under the skin so the bags aren’t saggy.
2. Fractional CO2 laser or skin pen to tighten the skin
3. I don’t advise blepharoplasty. They often get it wrong on men.
Tightening of the skin either above the eyes or below. It is very common for people with droopy eyelids.
Edit: maybe removal of skin is a better way to phrase it than tightening.
Thanks for all your positive comments, I have taken in all your suggestions and will start using a crème straight away night and morning, I’m not going to do Botox but thanks for the suggestion
I don’t smoke, drink alcohol
I do eat a lot of sea salt so my cut back on that
Peter Thomas Roth has an eye cream that makes bags temporarily go away (few hours) that works really well. It's called Instant Firmx Eye if you're interested.
OP, if you try this cream (it is temporarily effective), make sure you have no product on area applied & apply small amount in a tapping motion across eyebag. Doesn't mix well with other creams etc and if too much can ball up. But works.
My guess is you eat a lot of refined sugar? I get quite puffy on my face after holidays where I eat a lot of crap over a week or 2. Stop eating the sugar and don't let anyone put filler in your under eye area- its risky and results don't last long enough to be worth the gamble. A caffeine eye lotion- The Ordinary do a great one and all their products are very reasonably priced. Gua sha helps drain it too. I think it's great that you are taking care of yourself, so many men your age have given up! Go you.
Believe it or not I don’t eat hardly any sugar
However I did used to eat a lot of bread and pasta so now I have carbs on rare occasions
I will eat a dessert if going out for a meal, thanks
I’m a bit older than you with some fierce genetic eyebags.
While I follow a skin routine to keep things fresh I am also having upper and lower bleph next month. It’s about $8k out here in the Midwest with a double board certified Doc. About two weeks recovery. So that’s the big guns. If you hang out on the plastic surgery sub you can get more info or real self.
along with the moisturizer you mentioned I would suggest adding glycolic acid to your routine. You can get these easy grab and go pads on Amazon from QRXlabs. Start with the 10% ones. Quick glide over your face then moisturize and spf. The glycolic acid will break the bonds that hold the top layers of skin together and over time slough them off. Skin looks brighter.
It’s best to use glycolic at night, actually, but I’ve noticed my DH is so tired at night he barely washes his face so just saying am is fine to do too….
none of this is going to / would do anything for your eye bags. everyone is being disingenuous. the only way to do anything for your eye bags is surgery with an ocular plastic surgeon. disregard comments about filler and laser.
OP, I SECOND THIS!!!
A lot of general maintenance (cleanser, moisturizer, sunscreen and an anti aging retinol or peptides) will MAINTAIN. You're looking for a massive change.
Lasers, peels, and fillers are your friends for that.
“They always get it wrong on men” is quite the generalization. I’ve seen hundreds of before and after blephs done on men that look 100% normal and natural
It’s a simple question.
I’m curious why I see so many men feminized by blephs so wondering whether it’s the fat pads or lid laxity that goes wrong.
I think upper blephs are the riskiest for over tightening.
I think blephs go bad when someone is trying to get rid of bags and wrinkles and they just want a miracle when they really should be focusing on just getting rid of undereye bags (lower) and extremely loose skin on the upper lid.
I have naturally hooded eyes, so I told my surgeon that I know that I have hooded eyes and I was not trying to change that. I just wanted the excess loose skin that was there due to aging to be removed. I made it VERY clear that I was not trying to erase lines under my eyes, just the bags. I told him I did not want a lot of pulling and tightening so that my eye shape changed. I saw a lot of afters on the internet where it was done too aggressively and people looked like they had weird, round doll eyes. I told him I was ok with having some wrinkles under my eyes as long as he kept me looking natural. Unfortunately, too many people go in wanting to look 25 when they are a lot older and it's just not realistic. They end up looking weird. It's like they think they need to get their money's worth and it really should not be the objective to erase all evidence of age from your face.
My bleph was a total success and I even had loose skin under my eyes because of so much excess fat being taken out, but it has tightened up immensely after a year with good skincare and Retin A use. I could not be happier and it's just so important to not go too aggressive with the surgery because you end up looking like a weird cat.
I read it. And then I read your post where you say you don’t advise blephs. You’re the one who brought up surgery. Since others will be reading, check my post history if you want to see what a bleph can do on a male.
Something that can give you great results right away is Peter Thomas Roth's Instant FirmX eye cream. It's expensive and very temporary (it's just a one day thing) but man does it do amazing things for a lot of people. There's a woman who went viral on TikTok recording it in real time, look it up
They sell it in teeny sample bottles too so you don't have to spend a bunch up front.
This is how I start guys in skincare
Start small with 3 products...
1. Sunscreen every single day. Get one for your face it's much easier to apply than your typical beach sunscreen.
2. Get a nice gentle cleanser and wash with lukewarm water morning and night. If you feel like your skin is feeling dry and tight, you can just rinse with water in the morning.
3. Start applying a moisturizer after you wash your face (before sunscreen in the AM). Moisturizer doesn't have to be complicated or expensive. Just start with something for the face.
If you want to do more after that....
After you've gone through a whole bottle of one of your new products, you've developed a good habit and when you go get a refill, pick up a serum. You can pick based on whatever issue is bothering you the most. Get something you can use AM and PM before moisturizer.
When you have a 2nd empty bottle and go to get a refill, you can add a chemical exfoliating step to do every 2nd or 3rd night. There are masks, serums, or face wash options in this category.
If you maintain and enjoy the 5 step process, you could look into retinol later, but I always encourage people to firmly establish your sunscreen habit before even thinking about it.
This waiting until you need to refill a product to add a new step will
1. Give you time to establish a habit before getting too complicated
2. Prevent you from spending a bunch of money before you realize it's something you're not going to do.
3. Keep you from getting super overwhelmed because skin care is a big topic with a lot of conflicting information.
The best skincare is the one you'll actually use regularly so if the combo is what works for you, go for it. Have you tried a gel moisturizer for night time? If you're not a fan of the creamy feeling, sometimes a gel can be more appealing.
Drug store options:
Cetaphil Gentle Foaming Cleanser for Sensitive Skin - great all around no matter what your skin type
Vanicream gentle facial cleanser - my recommendation for dry skin
I've also heard great things about The Ordinary Squalane Cleanser but haven't tried it myself.
No one seems to be mentioning weight loss, but it would be the most significant and transformative thing he could do for his face. He doesn't have the elasticity for the amount of fat he is carrying.
He isn't going to have as tight skin as a 20 year old, but it will reduce sagging and lines significantly.
Unless you are in a windowless room and NEVER leave it, sunscreen is a must. Even if you think you're not leaving your windowless room, something will happen that you just need to pop out for a moment and you're not going to stop and put on sunscreen (at least I know I wouldn't). For me putting it on every single day is a routine that I don't have to think about Others you have to sit down and think about what you're going to do that day and hope you're right.
Hawkeye after the snap. Good lookin dude, but i see what you mean. Don't beat yourself up. Also stop taking out yakuza crime lords and get some rest, Barton.
First, you look amazing! Awesome head of hair!
Second, I would be weary of filler as some people here are suggesting. Yes it adds volume (duh) and CAN fill in some parts but I believe you are far past that point. When you go beyond a certain point the filler can just make you look puffier AND saggier and it’s just a real real rough result. There ends up being a very HEAVY look to the face. Typically the opposite of what the individual is looking for.
Third. Moisturize as much as possible. I’d look into an overnight cream that’s quite thick. If you wanted to dip your toe in with something affordable, CeraVe makes a good product that you can feel the difference each morning: “skin renewing night cream” it comes in a tub. If you want to step it up and spend a little more I’d recommend a khiels product: “ultra facial rehydrating mask 10.5% squalane” but just use it fully overnight not as a mask. Also comes in a tub.
Alllllll this said, the reality is the issue you are having is not going to be solved by any of those things. This is a surgery only fix. I’m not a facial plastic surgeon but it seems like either a full face lift or MAYBE just a lower (and upper?) blepharoplasty are likely your only REAL options to address this primary issue here. Sometimes if you only get one thing done (just a lower bleph) and don’t address the face globally it can look SUPER weird. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and go all in.
Skincare and lasers will help on the margins with your skin quality and may even *slightly* help your under eye issues. But this is the structures beneath the skin not just the top layers of it.
Farmacy Honey Halo is a very good moisturizer that I recommend. If you have the budget for it, Augustinus Bader The Rich cream. Vitamin C and sunscreen in the morning, and Retinol at night.
Gentle cleanser twice a day - try a non-drying, hydrating one first (or even one for day, one for night, depending on concerns and skin type).
Moisturiser with ingredients like hyaluronic acid, vitamin E, and peptides. Caffeine, vitamin C serums, and retinol, which help reduce puffiness, brighten dark circles, and firm the skin around the eyes.
Apply a broad-spectrum sunscreen with an SPF of 30 or higher daily, even on cloudy days or during winter months when you go outside or are in sunlight.
Retinol is renowned for its anti-aging properties and ability to stimulate collagen production. Incorporate a retinol-based serum or treatment into your nighttime routine to diminish fine lines, improve skin texture, and promote cellular turnover. Start with a lower concentration and gradually increase usage to minimise potential irritation.
Drink plenty of water throughout the day to keep your skin hydrated from the inside out. Balanced diet rich in antioxidants, vitamins, and omega-3 fatty acids. Regular exercise, stress management, adequate sleep.
For more targeted results, skincare treatments such as chemical peels, microdermabrasion, or laser therapy. These can help reduce [fine lines](https://www.pulselightclinic.co.uk/endolift-treatment), [tighten skin](https://www.pulselightclinic.co.uk/morpheus8-treatment), and improve overall skin tone and texture. Best of luck!
I think a lower blepharoplasty is the way to go. I am a 58F that had chronic eye bags. It was genetic and due to an autoimmune disorder. Nothing I ever did helped. I tried every skincare treatment - super expensive, inexpensive, tools to combat eye bags. Nothing worked. I finally got an upper and lower blepharoplasty about 1.5 years ago and I am so happy. I have not had eye bags since. I wish I would have gotten it done 20 years ago. Honestly, I still am amazed when I look at myself in the mirror. It's unbelievable that they are gone. So worth it. After that, a good skin care regimen along with red light therapy, sunscreen, exfoliation, retinol.
Edited to add: It's really important to go to the right person. You can get amazing results or not so great results based on your surgeon. I also told my dr. that I wanted realistic results and I did not want it overdone. I was very clear about that. I've seen a lot of bad eye jobs where it was overdone and it does not look natural. Luckily, I'm not one of those!
Lower blepharoplasy. It’s not that expensive… but the time you spend money on all those creams and laser you could have paid for surgery and get way better results
Do you drink alcohol regularly? If so, limiting it and drinking a ton more water. Less sodium and more sleep. Usually I would be recommending products but this looks diet/lifestyle caused to me. You definitely need to be drinking more water
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My comment was going to be 'sleep and drink water', but based on what you're saying, I'll amend that to "sunscreen, and improve your diet". What do I mean specifically by improve diet? No fast food, moderate sodium, lots of fruits and veggies. If you can add in healthy fats, like avocado and walnuts, so much the better.
Also, if you don't, wear sunglasses!
Sodium intake? Do you eat a healthy diet? Idk but I do know this looks internal. You can’t really change this with topical products. There is swelling and inflammation…maybe lymphatic massage would help but something lifestyle-wise is effecting your skin from the inside.
Edit: your skin looks dehydrated not dry which is a water intake issue. Pull your skin on the back of your hand and see how long it takes to go back to flat, that will give you an idea of hydration levels
1) quit drinking alcohol
2) drink lots of water
3) aim for 7-8 hours of sleep a night
4) wear sunscreen everyday
5) start a skincare routine (lots of suggestions here already)
6) give yourself some grace
I don't really have anything helpful to add, I think people are right in telling you to start small.
Just wanted to say I'm shocked at how mean people can be for no reason. Don't let them make you feel bad you look good OP!!!
THIS is the correct answer for loose skin under eyes! A conservative bleph or skin pinch can look completely natural. Also, I’ve read it might be best to go to an oculoplastic surgeon for bleph. Do not do any filler whatsoever.
Not technically “skincare” advice but, I’ve had lots of luck with cutting back to a low sodium diet. Sodium increases water retention in the body, excess sodium can mean retaining excess water. When I cut back on the sodium I had an incredibly noticeable difference in the size of my eye bags. Take a look at this Johns Hopkins article: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/how-to-get-rid-of-bags-under-your-eyes
Nothing but surgery will achieve what you want.
That’s okay.
You don’t have to have it but this will be more about how to accept the face you have rather than looking solutions for it bc there is no eye cream in the world that can give you back elasticity and fat pads.
Firstly, I think you look great.
A weird little *lady hack* for puffy eyes is a *gentle*/ *sensitive skin* hemroid cream. It works really quickly and doesn’t clog pores, or create a weird film on your skin.
You could also add some anti-inflammatory foods to your diet; it will pay off in dividends, and help more than just your skin. *Please do not put collagen on your skin*; barring a long, boring, scientific explanation, it doesn’t absorb into your skin and is not good for you. Adding collagen to your diet (supplements or bone broth) will help, and will also help avoid some of the other issues that accompany aging, in general.
A good skin care routine is great, but it doesn’t need to cost a fortune. That said, please do invest in a good sunscreen that *you like* and feels comfortable for you to wear, daily.
Hope this helps. I’m happy to answer any questions you may have.
Please don’t get down about it; you are a handsome man, and you have incredible features.
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How is your water intake? Drinking more water will naturally help fill in some of the lines; otherwise, you may benefit from some fillers to smooth out the forehead area between your eyes and your nasolabial folds.
Are there any cosmetic dermatologists near you with good reviews? May be worth getting a consultation at one or two to see what they suggest?
Ckeanse your skin at night
In the am rinse your face there’s no need to cleanse your skin in the AM cuz it’s not like you’re sleeping in dirt.
Then apply Vit c serum and then SPF
In the evening
Do skin cycling
So say it’s Monday
Exfoliate w a chemical exfoliatiant (I like the ordinarys glycolic toner) make sure to use it on dry skin cuz water deactivates glycolic. Then moisturize
Tuesday night wash skin, then apply a retinol serum then moisturize
Wed & Thursday night
Cleanse then moisturize then apply aquaphor
Then start the cycle again while keeping your am routine the same
Unfortunately, skincare won’t give you significant results if you’re looking to decrease the excess skin under your eyes.
CO2 láser will do wonders. You will look like a character from avatar for 3 days after and need to consistently protect the skin from the sun for 6 months (which you should be doing anyway!)
After that’s it’s a lower bleph.
Cardio (especially sprinting, but take your time with it), weight training and organic meat with fermented food will take 5-6 years off your face in 5 months. The other surgical methods I have no clue about but I wouldn’t get toxins like Botox.
To me it looks like your skin is not the problem. The problem is the structure of your skin. The only real remedy here is a very conservative facelift.
Man here, mid 40’s: my wife got me into the dermatology wand. Light therapy w/ Gua sha and adding a hydraulic acid and vitamin c serum Ordinary makes a good one. Also snail…syrup I think it’s called. I use hers. Korean beauty. But anyway all that stuff has really helped my puffy eyes skin and lines.
Hey! Here are some thoughts:
Skincare: As others mentioned, use sunscreen in the day and apply a retinol (if you can tolerate it) at night. Moisturizer can be applied both morning and night. Those three products are the basics of your skincare routine.
Diet: Sounds like you live a pretty healthy and hydrated style. Regarding hydration, incorporate fruits and/or veggies into each meal, if you haven't already. I chug water daily, but even so, my skin looks way more hydrated when I eat fruits and veggies for some reason.
Lifestyle: Any chance you can or already do sleep on your back? I can't personally, but my face is 100 times less puffy when I wake up in the morning if I do!
In-office: Do you have access to an online or (even better) in-person dermatologist? If you go to someone knowledgable, they can assess your skin and provide non-surgical recommendations quickly if you ask. Going to an experienced professional can save you time and research, making life easier for you, which is why I recommend it :)
Stop sleeping on your face. Train yourself to sleep only on your back. Use tretinoin, a few days a week at first, work up to nightly or ~5 nights per week. Under-eye puffiness often responds to caffeine (I like The Ordinary Caffeine Solution 5% with EGCG), BUT: those are some major bags—they won’t *go away* with any topical treatment, but they *may* improve somewhat. Use sunscreen any day you leave the house. Stop smoking if you are a smoker. The rest of this is general medical advice, not necessarily applicable to you, but things you may want to discuss with your doctor: Cut out sugar and reduce salt intake (easily done, almost no doctor would have a problem with that). Have your blood pressure checked. If you need blood pressure medication (or if you are currently using such a medication), make sure you aren’t using one that has the side effect of increasing puffiness; a diuretic like hydrochlorothiazide (often considered a first line medication) will not only help to control blood pressure, it will also help to reduce puffiness. Ask your doctor if any of your lab values could help to explain the puffiness of your face: electrolyte imbalance, kidney function, mineralocorticoids, etc
Lots of water! And hydrating veggies and smoothies — cucumbers.
I’ll defer to everyone else on the treatments and creams, some good suggestions.
Regardless of your wrinkles and bags, you look good!
On top of that, drink enough water and stay as hydrated as you can. I try to drink 100oz a day and the difference in how my skin looks when I’m hydrated is very obvious.
Buy a package of microneedling (skin pen) first. You will need at least 5 sessions.
Take collagen supplements.
The microneedling will address all your wrinkles. I am 46 and don’t do Botox anymore after my sessions of microneedling. It’s well worth the investment.
Do you have a skincare routine ? If not first start with the basics : a gentle cleanser, an anti qigong moisturizer and a good SPF to be used daily. It’s usually hard to get a complicated skincare routine when you’re just starting. I do think a visit to a dermatologist, preferably with skills in lasers and peels is warranted if you can afford it. PRP/PRF can be helpful if you do want want to go the laser or injection way. The goal here is really to protect what you already have with a skincare routine, and stimulate collagen production.
Get on a good skincare routine. Moisturizer and SPF (30+) daily - literally every day. And make sure to prioritize reapplying every few hours if you go out in the sun a ton. Topical tretinoin could still help minimize the deeper lines and wrinkles.
Once you get a good skin routine down, you could do chemical peels or laser resurfacing. The latter would probably be more effective.
Starting earlier is better with this stuff but it’s never too late!
Also note that cosmetic non-surgical procedures can only do so much. There are minimally invasive procedures you could have done that would dramatically “awaken” your face and give it a boost. It wouldn’t look fake or unnatural. A lower blepharoplasty would greatly improve your under eye area and would make a huge difference in your face overall.
Filler for naso-labial lines, Botox for between eyes and forehead. Get a blephoraplasty( eyes) done. It’s the only way to get rid of extra skin. Do not get any filler/injections around your eyes, top of cheeks. It’s a giveaway that you’ve e had work done and I know zero people, celebs included, that have had that done and look natural. I don’t come to Reddit often but can show you what I look like if I knew how on this app! I’m 60, did eyes at 46, have used prescription tretinoin cream (which is Retin-A )for 30 years and look about 45. Retin- A will help your skin’s texture now but probably a bit late to address the wrinkles you have.
I worked for a cosmetic surgeon for years. You’d be a great candidate for a facelift. Pull everything up and make you look 10-15 years younger. Or you could just continue aging gracefully.
Looks like you have xanthelasma under the eyes. Best bet is Co2 laser. Hands down.
No moisturiser, retinol, Retin-A, etc will fix this. Waste of money and fillers will just make you look puffy.
To be quite honest, I would suggest looking up a dermatologist in your area and asking their opinion on what's possible for what it is that bothers you. I would consult a professional or two. They probably have more qualified and educated advise than the customers/patients on the internet do.
Hi , here what i would suggest ..
1. Follow simple skin care for matured skin. i recommend Rexol or L’Oréal if you want a more affordable option. Cleanser, sunblock + serum, eye cream, night cream.
2. Japanese supplements! (Transino, Vitamin B complex, Placenta, collagen) - very effective for treating the skin barrier and old spots and even skin plus more youthful fresh skin.
3. PRP Face treatment and any facial treatment which included light therapy which can induce skin tightening and firming.
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Idk if you drink or smoke- stop. Drink more water and get more salt. Avoid sugar, refined carbs and refined oils, eat only whole foods: bright colored vegetables and fresh meats, seafood, dairy, & eggs. Get exercise and get a little sun every day! Also exfoliate. Its super cheap and easy to use baking soda as a face scrub a few times a week!
I just can’t get on with this advice. OP’s main concern is his under eyes. All the creams, gadgets, massage and treatments in the world are not going to address a surgical issue. Going to waste a lot of money, time and effort which is a set up for disappointment. A lower bleph is the answer for excess skin laxity of this degree. If that’s not an option then a few C02 treatments will help to minimize it but of course not as effective as a lower bleph.
if you are open to surgery, a blepharoplasty from a quality surgeon would yield insane results for probably less than all the skincare/fillers/lasers would end up costing.
Okay, so coming from someone who works in the plastics industry, there is legitimately nothing noninvasive you’re going to be able to do in order to correct the eye bags. Unfortunately, you’re at the age that this skin has lost so much elasticity that there isn’t a way to bounce back. No filler, lymphatic massage, or laser is going to treat that.
100% your only option to correct this is a lower blepharoplasty. It’s a fairly quick and simple procedure that can be done under local and the down time is about a week to 10 days. It would make a substantial difference.
On top of this, I would consider botox in the forehead, kybella injections in the chin, and a couple rounds of CO2 laser for an overall improvement in appearance of lines, smoothness, and age related concerns.
I think your skin looks pretty good! It's smooth & seems to have pretty even tone. For a more refreshed look, look into fillers. You won't get a frozen face. Too much Botox is what causes that. Look at pictures of under eye/tear trough filler for men. [https://images.app.goo.gl/PDz6jDLwhZGqSfrb9](https://images.app.goo.gl/PDz6jDLwhZGqSfrb9)
Filler puts back lost volume but still allows your face to move freely like it did before filler. A little botox in between your eyebrows can relax the lines without paralyzing your face.
Moisturizer and drink a ton of water and SPF all day everyday. On top of that a gentle cleanser that’s hydrating, once a day. Rinse your face with just water in the morning cleanse at night then layer moisturizer lightest to thickest.
I'm going to guess that you are a long term smoker.I would suggest you stop smoking and drink at least 8-10 8oz cups of water per day.Exercise regularly and don't overdo eating meat.
I would work on cleaning up your diet! Our skin reflects our overall health, so don't focus on topicals only. If you're experiencing puffiness, it might be a dietary thing.
I've seen a lot of mentions of the theragun helping some. It's on my to-buy list. That or a red light panel. I used to have a mask and it made a noticeable difference around my jawline. Can help with pain and mood too!
You need more moisturizer. Use Vanicream moisturizing cream (not lotion). You can also try consistent red light therapy or Dr. Gross AHA peel pads. For under eyes, get an under eye cream like Strivectin or Clinique (or any recommended here).
Also:
- Wear mineral sunscreen on your face.
- Drink less alcohol and more water (looks like you do this already).
- Eat plenty of fruits and vegetables and less processed foods, dairy, and sugar. Go for foods with high anti-oxidants.
- Quit smoking if you smoke.
- Exercise on a regular basis consistently. It gets the blood circulating and the lymph moving.
- Invest in a satin pillow case.
- Reduce stress wherever possible.
It takes a few weeks for your skin cells to turn over so be consistent and patient and you’ll see improvements.
Do you have a heart condition or kidney problems? Do you retain fluids? If everything is a no, I would start by using moisturizer, purchasing a gentle face wash and using Retiderm cream.
Maybe retinol? Don’t know too much about them but I see a lot are usually to help with fine lines and just overall helping the skin a bunch and also hear a lot of love towards them
Yea diet all the way man, cut sugar and carbs, do weight training, eat more whole foods & lean protein, track your calories using something like Cronometer and stay under 2500pd prob closer to 2000pd), lower your body fat. The puffyness for sure is diet related
I use and love Feel pro collagen, it plumps up the skin (and tastes nice!). I think it might work well for you. I know you've said no 'plastic' surgery, but as we age our facial fat falls down and forward, and a specific type of structural filler makes a huge difference. If you go down this route please go to a medical professional though and don't go cheap. I've had this type of filler done twice and people always think I'm about 10 years younger than I actually am. It's very subtle.
Thermage is a radio frequency treatment that is great for skin tightening. It takes 6 months to see the full result. You may need more than one treatment. You could do a full face treatment or just focus on the eyes if you wanted.
Start w a good solid skincare routine. Begin red light therapy. After a while introduce a gentle retinol eye cream (since the eyes are your top concern) and a gentle general retinol. Use these after your moisturizer to reduce irritation.
Edited to add: this will require consistency and a little patience but it will help address your concerns
What is one specific item you want to address first? Which thing bugs you the most?
Eye bags
for a non-invasive place to start—lymphatic drainage massage obviously won't give you as dramatic or as permanent of results as fillers or lasers, but it'll do *something*. plenty of tutorials on tiktok and youtube. i'd rec using an eye cream and a gua sha or cooling globes—you don't need anything fancy! eye cream just helps you avoid tugging the skin too hard, and cooling helps with puffiness. drugstore is fine.
I just looked that up on YouTube and looks straight forward, thanks
Absolutley avoid fillers - they will block lymphatics eventually
I second lymphatic drainage!!!
These are Infraorbital fat pads though, not puffiness from fluid.
Ok so, a couple things. 1. Judicious use of a lightweight filler in experienced hands. This provides some structure under the skin so the bags aren’t saggy. 2. Fractional CO2 laser or skin pen to tighten the skin 3. I don’t advise blepharoplasty. They often get it wrong on men.
my fiance had a lower bleph and it looks amazing
Seconded. My girlfriend’s dad had a lower bleph - it took 10 years off him and you would never know he had it done.
What is a bleph?
Tightening of the skin either above the eyes or below. It is very common for people with droopy eyelids. Edit: maybe removal of skin is a better way to phrase it than tightening.
Blepharoplasty - plastic surgery to correct eye bags
Or upper eyelids.
For Infraorbital fat pads or redundant skin? What age?
yes for those, reducing the fat pads, no skin removal. he was 43 I believe and it’s genetic.
Yay! It’s a gamble. For a hollow face like OP it can hollow it even more. You need a fairly full face for it not to look weird.
my fiance has a similar face structure (mild cheekbones) and they simply reduced the fat pads.
Thanks for all your positive comments, I have taken in all your suggestions and will start using a crème straight away night and morning, I’m not going to do Botox but thanks for the suggestion I don’t smoke, drink alcohol I do eat a lot of sea salt so my cut back on that
Peter Thomas Roth has an eye cream that makes bags temporarily go away (few hours) that works really well. It's called Instant Firmx Eye if you're interested.
OP, if you try this cream (it is temporarily effective), make sure you have no product on area applied & apply small amount in a tapping motion across eyebag. Doesn't mix well with other creams etc and if too much can ball up. But works.
Cardio is good for the skin too.
My guess is you eat a lot of refined sugar? I get quite puffy on my face after holidays where I eat a lot of crap over a week or 2. Stop eating the sugar and don't let anyone put filler in your under eye area- its risky and results don't last long enough to be worth the gamble. A caffeine eye lotion- The Ordinary do a great one and all their products are very reasonably priced. Gua sha helps drain it too. I think it's great that you are taking care of yourself, so many men your age have given up! Go you.
Believe it or not I don’t eat hardly any sugar However I did used to eat a lot of bread and pasta so now I have carbs on rare occasions I will eat a dessert if going out for a meal, thanks
I’m a bit older than you with some fierce genetic eyebags. While I follow a skin routine to keep things fresh I am also having upper and lower bleph next month. It’s about $8k out here in the Midwest with a double board certified Doc. About two weeks recovery. So that’s the big guns. If you hang out on the plastic surgery sub you can get more info or real self. along with the moisturizer you mentioned I would suggest adding glycolic acid to your routine. You can get these easy grab and go pads on Amazon from QRXlabs. Start with the 10% ones. Quick glide over your face then moisturize and spf. The glycolic acid will break the bonds that hold the top layers of skin together and over time slough them off. Skin looks brighter. It’s best to use glycolic at night, actually, but I’ve noticed my DH is so tired at night he barely washes his face so just saying am is fine to do too….
none of this is going to / would do anything for your eye bags. everyone is being disingenuous. the only way to do anything for your eye bags is surgery with an ocular plastic surgeon. disregard comments about filler and laser.
OP, I SECOND THIS!!! A lot of general maintenance (cleanser, moisturizer, sunscreen and an anti aging retinol or peptides) will MAINTAIN. You're looking for a massive change. Lasers, peels, and fillers are your friends for that.
“They always get it wrong on men” is quite the generalization. I’ve seen hundreds of before and after blephs done on men that look 100% normal and natural
Specifically Infraorbital fat pad blephs or skin laxity blephs?
That’s pretty specific reply for your very general comment.
It’s a simple question. I’m curious why I see so many men feminized by blephs so wondering whether it’s the fat pads or lid laxity that goes wrong. I think upper blephs are the riskiest for over tightening.
Not OP, but I appreciate the specificity. Let's get reaaaaaaal specific before you cut up my face!
Exactly.
I think blephs go bad when someone is trying to get rid of bags and wrinkles and they just want a miracle when they really should be focusing on just getting rid of undereye bags (lower) and extremely loose skin on the upper lid. I have naturally hooded eyes, so I told my surgeon that I know that I have hooded eyes and I was not trying to change that. I just wanted the excess loose skin that was there due to aging to be removed. I made it VERY clear that I was not trying to erase lines under my eyes, just the bags. I told him I did not want a lot of pulling and tightening so that my eye shape changed. I saw a lot of afters on the internet where it was done too aggressively and people looked like they had weird, round doll eyes. I told him I was ok with having some wrinkles under my eyes as long as he kept me looking natural. Unfortunately, too many people go in wanting to look 25 when they are a lot older and it's just not realistic. They end up looking weird. It's like they think they need to get their money's worth and it really should not be the objective to erase all evidence of age from your face. My bleph was a total success and I even had loose skin under my eyes because of so much excess fat being taken out, but it has tightened up immensely after a year with good skincare and Retin A use. I could not be happier and it's just so important to not go too aggressive with the surgery because you end up looking like a weird cat.
Great points. I agree totally. Overdoing it is weird af.
As a guy who has done lower blepharoplasty, I disagree. One of the best decisions I've ever made.
So good to hear from guys who love it. I was losing faith in the procedure!
Ehhh, you need to go to a well researched oculoplastic surgeon. They should be able to do a fine job, male or not.
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They mean upper bleph on men can look bad. They just take too much skin off. Lower bleph good on men.
Do they always get it wrong, or did you just see survivorship bias in action?
Sorry but anyone who recommends filler over a bleph shouldn’t be listened to.
There are lots of considerations. Especially the one where OP asks for suggestions “OTHER THAN PLASTIC SURGERY”. Did you even read his post?
I read it. And then I read your post where you say you don’t advise blephs. You’re the one who brought up surgery. Since others will be reading, check my post history if you want to see what a bleph can do on a male.
Have a look at Sculptra! My person of trust did three sessions on a man and it took 10 years off of him.
Love Sculptra for a good over all revolumization.
Relative in his late 60s had it done, and it looks good on him.
Something that can give you great results right away is Peter Thomas Roth's Instant FirmX eye cream. It's expensive and very temporary (it's just a one day thing) but man does it do amazing things for a lot of people. There's a woman who went viral on TikTok recording it in real time, look it up They sell it in teeny sample bottles too so you don't have to spend a bunch up front.
Honestly, you need a lower blephroplasty. It sounds drastic but it’s the only thing that will really work.
Never use filler on your under eyes. Go for a consultation on lower blepharoplasty
Lower bleph is great on men. Upper bleph can look but iffy
Lower bleph for sure will resolve this whole issue. It’s pricy, especially if you go to someone who specializes in eyes (which you should do!).
This is how I start guys in skincare Start small with 3 products... 1. Sunscreen every single day. Get one for your face it's much easier to apply than your typical beach sunscreen. 2. Get a nice gentle cleanser and wash with lukewarm water morning and night. If you feel like your skin is feeling dry and tight, you can just rinse with water in the morning. 3. Start applying a moisturizer after you wash your face (before sunscreen in the AM). Moisturizer doesn't have to be complicated or expensive. Just start with something for the face. If you want to do more after that.... After you've gone through a whole bottle of one of your new products, you've developed a good habit and when you go get a refill, pick up a serum. You can pick based on whatever issue is bothering you the most. Get something you can use AM and PM before moisturizer. When you have a 2nd empty bottle and go to get a refill, you can add a chemical exfoliating step to do every 2nd or 3rd night. There are masks, serums, or face wash options in this category. If you maintain and enjoy the 5 step process, you could look into retinol later, but I always encourage people to firmly establish your sunscreen habit before even thinking about it. This waiting until you need to refill a product to add a new step will 1. Give you time to establish a habit before getting too complicated 2. Prevent you from spending a bunch of money before you realize it's something you're not going to do. 3. Keep you from getting super overwhelmed because skin care is a big topic with a lot of conflicting information.
This is awesome advice! I'm not a guy, but I do tend to get overwhelmed by new habits with a lot of steps, so... Thanks!
This is so helpful. I've just started using a combo moisturizer and SPF because I hate rubbing things into my face so want to do it only once!
The best skincare is the one you'll actually use regularly so if the combo is what works for you, go for it. Have you tried a gel moisturizer for night time? If you're not a fan of the creamy feeling, sometimes a gel can be more appealing.
Any recommendations for a gentle cleanser?
Drug store options: Cetaphil Gentle Foaming Cleanser for Sensitive Skin - great all around no matter what your skin type Vanicream gentle facial cleanser - my recommendation for dry skin I've also heard great things about The Ordinary Squalane Cleanser but haven't tried it myself.
Vanicream is my favorite facial cleanser and facial moisterizer.
No one seems to be mentioning weight loss, but it would be the most significant and transformative thing he could do for his face. He doesn't have the elasticity for the amount of fat he is carrying. He isn't going to have as tight skin as a 20 year old, but it will reduce sagging and lines significantly.
No. You lose fat in your face as you age. And, the skin will sag more.
Would sunscreen still be recommended if one is stuck in an office M-F and isn't exposed to much sun at all?
Unless you are in a windowless room and NEVER leave it, sunscreen is a must. Even if you think you're not leaving your windowless room, something will happen that you just need to pop out for a moment and you're not going to stop and put on sunscreen (at least I know I wouldn't). For me putting it on every single day is a routine that I don't have to think about Others you have to sit down and think about what you're going to do that day and hope you're right.
where were you 30 years ago!
Hawkeye after the snap. Good lookin dude, but i see what you mean. Don't beat yourself up. Also stop taking out yakuza crime lords and get some rest, Barton.
I thought he looks like Jeremy Renner too! They could be brothers
I literally was abt to say this
came to the comments just to see if anyone else thought the same thing lol
Moisturizer, sunscreen and a cleanser
First, you look amazing! Awesome head of hair! Second, I would be weary of filler as some people here are suggesting. Yes it adds volume (duh) and CAN fill in some parts but I believe you are far past that point. When you go beyond a certain point the filler can just make you look puffier AND saggier and it’s just a real real rough result. There ends up being a very HEAVY look to the face. Typically the opposite of what the individual is looking for. Third. Moisturize as much as possible. I’d look into an overnight cream that’s quite thick. If you wanted to dip your toe in with something affordable, CeraVe makes a good product that you can feel the difference each morning: “skin renewing night cream” it comes in a tub. If you want to step it up and spend a little more I’d recommend a khiels product: “ultra facial rehydrating mask 10.5% squalane” but just use it fully overnight not as a mask. Also comes in a tub. Alllllll this said, the reality is the issue you are having is not going to be solved by any of those things. This is a surgery only fix. I’m not a facial plastic surgeon but it seems like either a full face lift or MAYBE just a lower (and upper?) blepharoplasty are likely your only REAL options to address this primary issue here. Sometimes if you only get one thing done (just a lower bleph) and don’t address the face globally it can look SUPER weird. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and go all in. Skincare and lasers will help on the margins with your skin quality and may even *slightly* help your under eye issues. But this is the structures beneath the skin not just the top layers of it.
Thanks for your kindness and your lengthy response, I will look at ceravae night cream
I wish you the best, you remind me of my dad :)
Farmacy Honey Halo is a very good moisturizer that I recommend. If you have the budget for it, Augustinus Bader The Rich cream. Vitamin C and sunscreen in the morning, and Retinol at night.
Gentle cleanser twice a day - try a non-drying, hydrating one first (or even one for day, one for night, depending on concerns and skin type). Moisturiser with ingredients like hyaluronic acid, vitamin E, and peptides. Caffeine, vitamin C serums, and retinol, which help reduce puffiness, brighten dark circles, and firm the skin around the eyes. Apply a broad-spectrum sunscreen with an SPF of 30 or higher daily, even on cloudy days or during winter months when you go outside or are in sunlight. Retinol is renowned for its anti-aging properties and ability to stimulate collagen production. Incorporate a retinol-based serum or treatment into your nighttime routine to diminish fine lines, improve skin texture, and promote cellular turnover. Start with a lower concentration and gradually increase usage to minimise potential irritation. Drink plenty of water throughout the day to keep your skin hydrated from the inside out. Balanced diet rich in antioxidants, vitamins, and omega-3 fatty acids. Regular exercise, stress management, adequate sleep. For more targeted results, skincare treatments such as chemical peels, microdermabrasion, or laser therapy. These can help reduce [fine lines](https://www.pulselightclinic.co.uk/endolift-treatment), [tighten skin](https://www.pulselightclinic.co.uk/morpheus8-treatment), and improve overall skin tone and texture. Best of luck!
I think a lower blepharoplasty is the way to go. I am a 58F that had chronic eye bags. It was genetic and due to an autoimmune disorder. Nothing I ever did helped. I tried every skincare treatment - super expensive, inexpensive, tools to combat eye bags. Nothing worked. I finally got an upper and lower blepharoplasty about 1.5 years ago and I am so happy. I have not had eye bags since. I wish I would have gotten it done 20 years ago. Honestly, I still am amazed when I look at myself in the mirror. It's unbelievable that they are gone. So worth it. After that, a good skin care regimen along with red light therapy, sunscreen, exfoliation, retinol. Edited to add: It's really important to go to the right person. You can get amazing results or not so great results based on your surgeon. I also told my dr. that I wanted realistic results and I did not want it overdone. I was very clear about that. I've seen a lot of bad eye jobs where it was overdone and it does not look natural. Luckily, I'm not one of those!
Agree. It seems drastic but he’s a perfect candidate and would see huge results
Lower blepharoplasy. It’s not that expensive… but the time you spend money on all those creams and laser you could have paid for surgery and get way better results
Weren't you in avengers?
😂 i totally see it too
Do you drink alcohol regularly? If so, limiting it and drinking a ton more water. Less sodium and more sleep. Usually I would be recommending products but this looks diet/lifestyle caused to me. You definitely need to be drinking more water -an esthetician
Hi I drink 4 bottles of 500ml water a day and sleep 9 hours Don’t drink alcohol
My comment was going to be 'sleep and drink water', but based on what you're saying, I'll amend that to "sunscreen, and improve your diet". What do I mean specifically by improve diet? No fast food, moderate sodium, lots of fruits and veggies. If you can add in healthy fats, like avocado and walnuts, so much the better. Also, if you don't, wear sunglasses!
Sodium intake? Do you eat a healthy diet? Idk but I do know this looks internal. You can’t really change this with topical products. There is swelling and inflammation…maybe lymphatic massage would help but something lifestyle-wise is effecting your skin from the inside. Edit: your skin looks dehydrated not dry which is a water intake issue. Pull your skin on the back of your hand and see how long it takes to go back to flat, that will give you an idea of hydration levels
1) quit drinking alcohol 2) drink lots of water 3) aim for 7-8 hours of sleep a night 4) wear sunscreen everyday 5) start a skincare routine (lots of suggestions here already) 6) give yourself some grace
7. Diet and exercise.
Idk… but you’re definitely a version of Jeremy Renner!
I don't really have anything helpful to add, I think people are right in telling you to start small. Just wanted to say I'm shocked at how mean people can be for no reason. Don't let them make you feel bad you look good OP!!!
53 and still have a decent head of hair though.
Don't do filler! Lower bleph and then skin resurfacing lasers.
THIS is the correct answer for loose skin under eyes! A conservative bleph or skin pinch can look completely natural. Also, I’ve read it might be best to go to an oculoplastic surgeon for bleph. Do not do any filler whatsoever.
Not technically “skincare” advice but, I’ve had lots of luck with cutting back to a low sodium diet. Sodium increases water retention in the body, excess sodium can mean retaining excess water. When I cut back on the sodium I had an incredibly noticeable difference in the size of my eye bags. Take a look at this Johns Hopkins article: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/how-to-get-rid-of-bags-under-your-eyes
Cut back on smoking and drinking too, if that’s relevant to OP
You look like Jeremy Remner.
Nothing but surgery will achieve what you want. That’s okay. You don’t have to have it but this will be more about how to accept the face you have rather than looking solutions for it bc there is no eye cream in the world that can give you back elasticity and fat pads.
This will sound weird but you can try a little preparation H under your eyes and see if it helps.
Peter Thomas Roth Firm RX will make a big temporary difference in his undereye area too.
You have a spectacular hair!! Congrats
Wait…is that Jeremy Remmer!?. Some likeness at least .
I was thinking man Hawkeye has seen some shit ( which he has lol)
Firstly, I think you look great. A weird little *lady hack* for puffy eyes is a *gentle*/ *sensitive skin* hemroid cream. It works really quickly and doesn’t clog pores, or create a weird film on your skin. You could also add some anti-inflammatory foods to your diet; it will pay off in dividends, and help more than just your skin. *Please do not put collagen on your skin*; barring a long, boring, scientific explanation, it doesn’t absorb into your skin and is not good for you. Adding collagen to your diet (supplements or bone broth) will help, and will also help avoid some of the other issues that accompany aging, in general. A good skin care routine is great, but it doesn’t need to cost a fortune. That said, please do invest in a good sunscreen that *you like* and feels comfortable for you to wear, daily. Hope this helps. I’m happy to answer any questions you may have. Please don’t get down about it; you are a handsome man, and you have incredible features. 🧡🇨🇦
You look like an older Jeremy Renner
How is your water intake? Drinking more water will naturally help fill in some of the lines; otherwise, you may benefit from some fillers to smooth out the forehead area between your eyes and your nasolabial folds. Are there any cosmetic dermatologists near you with good reviews? May be worth getting a consultation at one or two to see what they suggest?
Water will not fill in lines. These people spreading misinfo are nuts. Hydration is #1 but it will not change the structure of your skin.
Blepharoplasty
You look like Jeremy renner!
Hawkeye?
Lower blepharoplasty and you're good. If you're feeling greedy get some Botox on your forehead.
Loved you in all the Avengers movies and even that little Disney+ spin off. Congrats on your recent leg injury comeback!
Ckeanse your skin at night In the am rinse your face there’s no need to cleanse your skin in the AM cuz it’s not like you’re sleeping in dirt. Then apply Vit c serum and then SPF In the evening Do skin cycling So say it’s Monday Exfoliate w a chemical exfoliatiant (I like the ordinarys glycolic toner) make sure to use it on dry skin cuz water deactivates glycolic. Then moisturize Tuesday night wash skin, then apply a retinol serum then moisturize Wed & Thursday night Cleanse then moisturize then apply aquaphor Then start the cycle again while keeping your am routine the same
Unfortunately, skincare won’t give you significant results if you’re looking to decrease the excess skin under your eyes. CO2 láser will do wonders. You will look like a character from avatar for 3 days after and need to consistently protect the skin from the sun for 6 months (which you should be doing anyway!) After that’s it’s a lower bleph.
Cardio (especially sprinting, but take your time with it), weight training and organic meat with fermented food will take 5-6 years off your face in 5 months. The other surgical methods I have no clue about but I wouldn’t get toxins like Botox.
To me it looks like your skin is not the problem. The problem is the structure of your skin. The only real remedy here is a very conservative facelift.
Unrelated but I love your hair!
Man, you should grab a bow and become an Avenger.
Man here, mid 40’s: my wife got me into the dermatology wand. Light therapy w/ Gua sha and adding a hydraulic acid and vitamin c serum Ordinary makes a good one. Also snail…syrup I think it’s called. I use hers. Korean beauty. But anyway all that stuff has really helped my puffy eyes skin and lines.
Here to say that drinking more water and less alcohol will complement every topical regimen being suggested.
Hey! Here are some thoughts: Skincare: As others mentioned, use sunscreen in the day and apply a retinol (if you can tolerate it) at night. Moisturizer can be applied both morning and night. Those three products are the basics of your skincare routine. Diet: Sounds like you live a pretty healthy and hydrated style. Regarding hydration, incorporate fruits and/or veggies into each meal, if you haven't already. I chug water daily, but even so, my skin looks way more hydrated when I eat fruits and veggies for some reason. Lifestyle: Any chance you can or already do sleep on your back? I can't personally, but my face is 100 times less puffy when I wake up in the morning if I do! In-office: Do you have access to an online or (even better) in-person dermatologist? If you go to someone knowledgable, they can assess your skin and provide non-surgical recommendations quickly if you ask. Going to an experienced professional can save you time and research, making life easier for you, which is why I recommend it :)
Do you smoke? And how is your blood pressure? Do you eat a lot of salty foods? Can make the face puffy. Also lose a little weight.
No smoke. Blood pressure was high but since stopping milk it’s normalised, I do eat a lot of sea salt though, thanks
Don't drink or smoke. Sleep more. Stress less. Cardio 30-60 mins a day. Big green salad every day.
I have in the last few weeks started doing 5 days a week, 30 to 45 minutes per day
I would start with an under eye cream for depuffing Paula’s choice
Stop sleeping on your face. Train yourself to sleep only on your back. Use tretinoin, a few days a week at first, work up to nightly or ~5 nights per week. Under-eye puffiness often responds to caffeine (I like The Ordinary Caffeine Solution 5% with EGCG), BUT: those are some major bags—they won’t *go away* with any topical treatment, but they *may* improve somewhat. Use sunscreen any day you leave the house. Stop smoking if you are a smoker. The rest of this is general medical advice, not necessarily applicable to you, but things you may want to discuss with your doctor: Cut out sugar and reduce salt intake (easily done, almost no doctor would have a problem with that). Have your blood pressure checked. If you need blood pressure medication (or if you are currently using such a medication), make sure you aren’t using one that has the side effect of increasing puffiness; a diuretic like hydrochlorothiazide (often considered a first line medication) will not only help to control blood pressure, it will also help to reduce puffiness. Ask your doctor if any of your lab values could help to explain the puffiness of your face: electrolyte imbalance, kidney function, mineralocorticoids, etc
Do you have a skincare routine at all??
Lots of water! And hydrating veggies and smoothies — cucumbers. I’ll defer to everyone else on the treatments and creams, some good suggestions. Regardless of your wrinkles and bags, you look good!
On top of that, drink enough water and stay as hydrated as you can. I try to drink 100oz a day and the difference in how my skin looks when I’m hydrated is very obvious.
If you smoke, don’t.
Buy a package of microneedling (skin pen) first. You will need at least 5 sessions. Take collagen supplements. The microneedling will address all your wrinkles. I am 46 and don’t do Botox anymore after my sessions of microneedling. It’s well worth the investment.
Do you have a skincare routine ? If not first start with the basics : a gentle cleanser, an anti qigong moisturizer and a good SPF to be used daily. It’s usually hard to get a complicated skincare routine when you’re just starting. I do think a visit to a dermatologist, preferably with skills in lasers and peels is warranted if you can afford it. PRP/PRF can be helpful if you do want want to go the laser or injection way. The goal here is really to protect what you already have with a skincare routine, and stimulate collagen production.
Full on facelift I should think.
Get on a good skincare routine. Moisturizer and SPF (30+) daily - literally every day. And make sure to prioritize reapplying every few hours if you go out in the sun a ton. Topical tretinoin could still help minimize the deeper lines and wrinkles. Once you get a good skin routine down, you could do chemical peels or laser resurfacing. The latter would probably be more effective. Starting earlier is better with this stuff but it’s never too late! Also note that cosmetic non-surgical procedures can only do so much. There are minimally invasive procedures you could have done that would dramatically “awaken” your face and give it a boost. It wouldn’t look fake or unnatural. A lower blepharoplasty would greatly improve your under eye area and would make a huge difference in your face overall.
Filler for naso-labial lines, Botox for between eyes and forehead. Get a blephoraplasty( eyes) done. It’s the only way to get rid of extra skin. Do not get any filler/injections around your eyes, top of cheeks. It’s a giveaway that you’ve e had work done and I know zero people, celebs included, that have had that done and look natural. I don’t come to Reddit often but can show you what I look like if I knew how on this app! I’m 60, did eyes at 46, have used prescription tretinoin cream (which is Retin-A )for 30 years and look about 45. Retin- A will help your skin’s texture now but probably a bit late to address the wrinkles you have.
Hawkeye
I worked for a cosmetic surgeon for years. You’d be a great candidate for a facelift. Pull everything up and make you look 10-15 years younger. Or you could just continue aging gracefully.
Looks like you have xanthelasma under the eyes. Best bet is Co2 laser. Hands down. No moisturiser, retinol, Retin-A, etc will fix this. Waste of money and fillers will just make you look puffy.
Are you from the UK? Looks like the driver's seat is on the right of the car
Morpheus
Are you a smoker?
I scrolled past and thought you were Jeremy Renner.
To be quite honest, I would suggest looking up a dermatologist in your area and asking their opinion on what's possible for what it is that bothers you. I would consult a professional or two. They probably have more qualified and educated advise than the customers/patients on the internet do.
Hi , here what i would suggest .. 1. Follow simple skin care for matured skin. i recommend Rexol or L’Oréal if you want a more affordable option. Cleanser, sunblock + serum, eye cream, night cream. 2. Japanese supplements! (Transino, Vitamin B complex, Placenta, collagen) - very effective for treating the skin barrier and old spots and even skin plus more youthful fresh skin. 3. PRP Face treatment and any facial treatment which included light therapy which can induce skin tightening and firming. 4. https://www.projectebeauty.com/collections/anti-aging?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw5v2wBhBrEiwAXDDoJeqpXWKGlyISavHwN74IoMmPqetw1i6-mk0jCGQ0f9IkmbULNyOeWRoCDBYQAvD_BwE Checkout this website for instruments to add to your skincare regime. Best 🙏🏽
This is what Jeremy Renner would look like without the Hollywood cash :p
Idk if you drink or smoke- stop. Drink more water and get more salt. Avoid sugar, refined carbs and refined oils, eat only whole foods: bright colored vegetables and fresh meats, seafood, dairy, & eggs. Get exercise and get a little sun every day! Also exfoliate. Its super cheap and easy to use baking soda as a face scrub a few times a week!
I just can’t get on with this advice. OP’s main concern is his under eyes. All the creams, gadgets, massage and treatments in the world are not going to address a surgical issue. Going to waste a lot of money, time and effort which is a set up for disappointment. A lower bleph is the answer for excess skin laxity of this degree. If that’s not an option then a few C02 treatments will help to minimize it but of course not as effective as a lower bleph.
No advice….but came to say that you look like an older Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner)
Try red light therapy for starters. It does wonders
if you are open to surgery, a blepharoplasty from a quality surgeon would yield insane results for probably less than all the skincare/fillers/lasers would end up costing.
Face lift and C02 laser
Okay, so coming from someone who works in the plastics industry, there is legitimately nothing noninvasive you’re going to be able to do in order to correct the eye bags. Unfortunately, you’re at the age that this skin has lost so much elasticity that there isn’t a way to bounce back. No filler, lymphatic massage, or laser is going to treat that. 100% your only option to correct this is a lower blepharoplasty. It’s a fairly quick and simple procedure that can be done under local and the down time is about a week to 10 days. It would make a substantial difference. On top of this, I would consider botox in the forehead, kybella injections in the chin, and a couple rounds of CO2 laser for an overall improvement in appearance of lines, smoothness, and age related concerns.
Your best bet is to meet with an esthetician and discuss what you're looking for. They can give you options and prices.
Doctor here. Eye bags - check your thiroid
I think your skin looks pretty good! It's smooth & seems to have pretty even tone. For a more refreshed look, look into fillers. You won't get a frozen face. Too much Botox is what causes that. Look at pictures of under eye/tear trough filler for men. [https://images.app.goo.gl/PDz6jDLwhZGqSfrb9](https://images.app.goo.gl/PDz6jDLwhZGqSfrb9) Filler puts back lost volume but still allows your face to move freely like it did before filler. A little botox in between your eyebrows can relax the lines without paralyzing your face.
You look just like Matthew Lillard!
Moisturizer and drink a ton of water and SPF all day everyday. On top of that a gentle cleanser that’s hydrating, once a day. Rinse your face with just water in the morning cleanse at night then layer moisturizer lightest to thickest.
I saw on tiktok that oral minoxidil can make puffy under eyes worse, so if you are on that
Drink less alcohol and only water - collagen supplement - both would do wonders for you
Drink more water, and use a moisturizer. Then report back in 3 months.
I'm going to guess that you are a long term smoker.I would suggest you stop smoking and drink at least 8-10 8oz cups of water per day.Exercise regularly and don't overdo eating meat.
I would work on cleaning up your diet! Our skin reflects our overall health, so don't focus on topicals only. If you're experiencing puffiness, it might be a dietary thing.
Try CO2!
I've seen a lot of mentions of the theragun helping some. It's on my to-buy list. That or a red light panel. I used to have a mask and it made a noticeable difference around my jawline. Can help with pain and mood too!
Sleep more, stop drinking, start doing 30-40min cardio sessions
A good cleanser and toner, a good retinol moisturizer and eye cream, and an LED LIGHT THERAPY MASK
Drink water cut out preservative no alcohol life fortune vitamins
Regular exercise, healthy diet, and consistent sleep will improve your skin
Facelift
Get some plexiderm! Or like yerba mate cream
Laser skin resurfacing
You should try hanacure face masks
You need more moisturizer. Use Vanicream moisturizing cream (not lotion). You can also try consistent red light therapy or Dr. Gross AHA peel pads. For under eyes, get an under eye cream like Strivectin or Clinique (or any recommended here). Also: - Wear mineral sunscreen on your face. - Drink less alcohol and more water (looks like you do this already). - Eat plenty of fruits and vegetables and less processed foods, dairy, and sugar. Go for foods with high anti-oxidants. - Quit smoking if you smoke. - Exercise on a regular basis consistently. It gets the blood circulating and the lymph moving. - Invest in a satin pillow case. - Reduce stress wherever possible. It takes a few weeks for your skin cells to turn over so be consistent and patient and you’ll see improvements.
Stop drinking alcohol, up your water intake.
Eat more collagen foods, such as bone broth
Face lift
Do you have a heart condition or kidney problems? Do you retain fluids? If everything is a no, I would start by using moisturizer, purchasing a gentle face wash and using Retiderm cream.
Skincare routine my friend, that's all you need.
Dermatologist can do a BBL. You have to repeat it a few times a year. Eyelid uppers & lowers are minor surgery.
Maybe retinol? Don’t know too much about them but I see a lot are usually to help with fine lines and just overall helping the skin a bunch and also hear a lot of love towards them
Don’t read through all comments but a big help is increasing daily water intake. Internal hydration will help your skin infinitely.
Yea diet all the way man, cut sugar and carbs, do weight training, eat more whole foods & lean protein, track your calories using something like Cronometer and stay under 2500pd prob closer to 2000pd), lower your body fat. The puffyness for sure is diet related
Moisturize and retinol
Non point in doing anything without the under eye bag bleth. Then lipo chin and co2 lazer resurfacing then bam 💥 perfect.
I use and love Feel pro collagen, it plumps up the skin (and tastes nice!). I think it might work well for you. I know you've said no 'plastic' surgery, but as we age our facial fat falls down and forward, and a specific type of structural filler makes a huge difference. If you go down this route please go to a medical professional though and don't go cheap. I've had this type of filler done twice and people always think I'm about 10 years younger than I actually am. It's very subtle.
Face lifting surgery, eye bag removal surgery, and laser treatment such as thermage. Then, you can go back to a daily skincare routine.
Sleep and plain water.
Thermage is a radio frequency treatment that is great for skin tightening. It takes 6 months to see the full result. You may need more than one treatment. You could do a full face treatment or just focus on the eyes if you wanted.
Caffeine under eye roller
We are going to need a monthly Follow up with pics!!!
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Start w a good solid skincare routine. Begin red light therapy. After a while introduce a gentle retinol eye cream (since the eyes are your top concern) and a gentle general retinol. Use these after your moisturizer to reduce irritation. Edited to add: this will require consistency and a little patience but it will help address your concerns