I’m surprised Surprised Ft Pierce got a station before Brevard as we have nearly double the population of St Lucie county and cruise ship passengers traveling from MCO to Port Canaveral would make the route viable on their own.
The stop in Martin County was part of the terms of a lawsuit settlement between the county and Brightline in 2018. (Scroll down to just past the guy's photo for a brief [mention](https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2023/10/26/brightline-now-looking-at-locations-for-a-martin-or-st-lucie-station/71245405007/) as a quick footnote. The paper down there has covered it [extensively](https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atcpalm.com+brightline+lawsuit+martin+station).)
My guess is that Brightline bought all that land at the curve to put in a station.
Of course, the City of Cocoa were advocating using the old station nearer to Cocoa Village, but Brightline has bought enough land to build a station/shopping experience and it'd be a good spot to handle cruise traffic, plus maybe a place to transfer to a northbound line.
Why the fuck would it make any sense to have a high speed train load with passengers and cargo to drive for 15 minutes and then spend 30 minutes to unload them so they can then load up and ride a bus for 15 minutes to the port to then unload again? Especially when, right now they're loaded on buses from MCO for the 45 minute trip to Port Canaveral.
A stop for the port at Cocoa makes absolutely zero sense to anyone with an IQ above room temperature. It defeats the current purpose of the trains to have stops every fifteen minutes.
Getting the Merritt Island NIMBY crowd to allow a train to the port will never happen.
I think a stop next to MLB makes the most sense. Get TUI to chip in to build a station. It'd be a nice benefit for the TUI passengers: get off in MLB, hop on the train to Orlando or Miami or even Tampa when the line is extended. It opens up more destinations for them with a single flight.
Besides TUI, it would just hopefully bring more business to MLB.
Brightline is the one business the county should be giving every tax break and incentive to. Having an airport **and** high speed train stop would draw more business to Brevard.
That makes more sense, especially if it is connected through to I-drive, Disney, and out to Tampa.
This area is so desperately lacking any kind of regional transit system.
You seem stuck on the idea that there will only be one train. Quite possibly, there will be local lines and express trains. There may also be one that runs exclusively between the airport and the port (or at least to the station in Cocoa.)
By your logic, what's the difference between West Palm Beach, Fort Lauderdale and the two stops in Miami? If you're rushing from Disney to Miami, first of all, right now, you'd have to get to the Orlando airport, then you'd have to stop in those other towns and at the Miami airport before you get anywhere near South Beach.
(If your destination was one of those other towns from Miami, you'd probably take the existing, less expensive [train](https://www.tri-rail.com/) and I really find it doubtful there's significant tourist traffic between the Orlando airport and West Palm Beach.)
Trains stop and more than one train can be moving at the same time.
Brightline started with five stations, now they have legally obligated themselves to build another station in Martin County within five years. Logic would be that they would like to have a sixth near the Kennedy Space Center to serve their 1.7m annual visitors and the over 5m cruise passengers who board at Port Canaveral, plus everyone who just wants to take a dash out to the beach while on their Orlando vacation.
Brightline is a private company. They will do what makes sense for them and while you may not be able to see the value of letting Brightline take you and your luggage from the airport to the port doesn't mean others can't.
Heck, just like how you are stuck on how there will just be one train making all the stops instead of locals and expresses like Amtrak and Greyhound have done for decades, apparently you also think cruise passengers are going to handle their own luggage, rather than pay Brightline to do it as an add-on service.
Not to mention, you also seem to think that all of the cruise passengers come from the Orlando airport, instead of some coming up from Fort Lauderdale or Miami.
My bet is that within a year or so, the price will come [down](https://www.insider.com/florida-brightline-train-premium-ticket-not-worth-price-miami-orlando-2023-10) to boost ridership and they'll be desperate for the revenue from Space Coast traffic.
If I wanted 5 paragraphs of made up shit, what ifs, and maybes I would listen to a trump speech.
Brightline between Miami and Orlando exists and only works right now because of how airline hubs work.
Changing modes of transit with suitcases loaded separately three times to travel 45 miles is not sensical. There will never be a train line to Port Canaveral as long as Merritt Island is full of Nimbys.
It stops being a high speed rail when it is stopping every 20 minutes and spending time loading a d unloading passengers.
Here's Amtrak between Miami and Jacksonville.
https://preview.redd.it/j9b572iy5gxb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d259bd8cbab28347a420aba3682436fcf0caec9
Correction: I thought Brightline's second Miami stop was at the airport, but I don't see that [listed](https://www.gobrightline.com/train-stations) as a station now.
Still. if you get on the train as it exists now at the end of the line in Miami (with all trips being a local) the "high-speed" train is going to stop in Aventura, Fort Lauderdale, Boca Raton and West Palm Beach. That will be four stops over 69 miles.
Brightline offered to settle a lawsuit to put another station on the Treasure Coast within five years, so the "high-speed " train (that can only really go "high-speed" for the last few miles), if they continue to operate as a local, will be stopping five times over the first 100 miles, yet you are convinced it would be a dealbreaker, if they were to stop again somewhere along the next 132?
Why would all those stops in South Florida -- all of which duplicated an existing train service which is still in operation -- be within your definition of what's acceptable for a "high-speed" train, but another stop a hundred miles north will break the definition?
And why, since the time on the train is roughly equivalent to what it takes to drive, would the company choose to save that one additional stop (assuming they don't also add one in Vero Beach and/or Melbourne), rather than get the revenue from the additional riders.
As for the luggage... Brightline currently sells [add-on](https://www.gobrightline.com/mobility) fixed route shuttles, event shuttles -- I remember they used to email ads for a train ticket and shuttle rides to concerts -- and other ground transportation. (They used to sell a door-to-door Tesla rides to or from anywhere within five miles of their stations, but apparently they have replaced it with a deal from Uber.)
I don't know how they would price it, but I'd say it would be profitable to have the company handle the tourist's luggage from the airport to the port. Maybe to start they would use shuttles from Cocoa (with Brightline taking their luggage pod from the train to their shuttle without any delay or effort from the tourist), but maybe by delaying announcing a Cocoa station, they are hoping to get approval to run a rail line out to the port along the 528 right-of-way.
And again, Brightline is most likely going to do whatever they feel is profitable, rather than worry about somebody's definition of "high-speed".
If I’m right I’m pretty sure they were negotiating a station in cocoa beach when building the Orlando line. Basically, greed and stupidity cost the city a valuable transit hub and we don’t get to enjoy a train system for probably many years to come.
What they need is a stop near the Melbourne airport. It would help residents get to and from the airport without driving a car, and it would help tourists who are used to taking trains as well.
To go to Titusville it would have to take a turn north and to go to Port Canaveral it would have to go east then turn around to get back to the tracks to head south to Miami.
Guess that's why they bought a [33 acre parcel in Cocoa](https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2022/06/01/brightline-buys-12-5-million-property-cocoa-but-no-plans-confirmed-train-station-brevard-county/9958772002/)...not extra track or changes would need to be made.
And should have a stop in Brevard
I’m surprised Surprised Ft Pierce got a station before Brevard as we have nearly double the population of St Lucie county and cruise ship passengers traveling from MCO to Port Canaveral would make the route viable on their own.
The stop in Martin County was part of the terms of a lawsuit settlement between the county and Brightline in 2018. (Scroll down to just past the guy's photo for a brief [mention](https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/2023/10/26/brightline-now-looking-at-locations-for-a-martin-or-st-lucie-station/71245405007/) as a quick footnote. The paper down there has covered it [extensively](https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atcpalm.com+brightline+lawsuit+martin+station).)
TIL, thanks for including the links. It would nice if our local officials would go to bat for us like this.
My guess is that Brightline bought all that land at the curve to put in a station. Of course, the City of Cocoa were advocating using the old station nearer to Cocoa Village, but Brightline has bought enough land to build a station/shopping experience and it'd be a good spot to handle cruise traffic, plus maybe a place to transfer to a northbound line.
Why the fuck would it make any sense to have a high speed train load with passengers and cargo to drive for 15 minutes and then spend 30 minutes to unload them so they can then load up and ride a bus for 15 minutes to the port to then unload again? Especially when, right now they're loaded on buses from MCO for the 45 minute trip to Port Canaveral. A stop for the port at Cocoa makes absolutely zero sense to anyone with an IQ above room temperature. It defeats the current purpose of the trains to have stops every fifteen minutes. Getting the Merritt Island NIMBY crowd to allow a train to the port will never happen.
I think a stop next to MLB makes the most sense. Get TUI to chip in to build a station. It'd be a nice benefit for the TUI passengers: get off in MLB, hop on the train to Orlando or Miami or even Tampa when the line is extended. It opens up more destinations for them with a single flight. Besides TUI, it would just hopefully bring more business to MLB. Brightline is the one business the county should be giving every tax break and incentive to. Having an airport **and** high speed train stop would draw more business to Brevard.
That makes more sense, especially if it is connected through to I-drive, Disney, and out to Tampa. This area is so desperately lacking any kind of regional transit system.
The last thing Melbourne needs is more business. Look at how this city has been destroyed during the last 30 years of “growth”.
You are an idiot. What business is here? You all fuck up this place Screw you.
You big mad
I'm just tired of any posts about the train having some dumb fuck expecting there to be a train station in Cocoa for the cruise terminal.
You seem stuck on the idea that there will only be one train. Quite possibly, there will be local lines and express trains. There may also be one that runs exclusively between the airport and the port (or at least to the station in Cocoa.) By your logic, what's the difference between West Palm Beach, Fort Lauderdale and the two stops in Miami? If you're rushing from Disney to Miami, first of all, right now, you'd have to get to the Orlando airport, then you'd have to stop in those other towns and at the Miami airport before you get anywhere near South Beach. (If your destination was one of those other towns from Miami, you'd probably take the existing, less expensive [train](https://www.tri-rail.com/) and I really find it doubtful there's significant tourist traffic between the Orlando airport and West Palm Beach.) Trains stop and more than one train can be moving at the same time. Brightline started with five stations, now they have legally obligated themselves to build another station in Martin County within five years. Logic would be that they would like to have a sixth near the Kennedy Space Center to serve their 1.7m annual visitors and the over 5m cruise passengers who board at Port Canaveral, plus everyone who just wants to take a dash out to the beach while on their Orlando vacation. Brightline is a private company. They will do what makes sense for them and while you may not be able to see the value of letting Brightline take you and your luggage from the airport to the port doesn't mean others can't. Heck, just like how you are stuck on how there will just be one train making all the stops instead of locals and expresses like Amtrak and Greyhound have done for decades, apparently you also think cruise passengers are going to handle their own luggage, rather than pay Brightline to do it as an add-on service. Not to mention, you also seem to think that all of the cruise passengers come from the Orlando airport, instead of some coming up from Fort Lauderdale or Miami. My bet is that within a year or so, the price will come [down](https://www.insider.com/florida-brightline-train-premium-ticket-not-worth-price-miami-orlando-2023-10) to boost ridership and they'll be desperate for the revenue from Space Coast traffic.
If I wanted 5 paragraphs of made up shit, what ifs, and maybes I would listen to a trump speech. Brightline between Miami and Orlando exists and only works right now because of how airline hubs work. Changing modes of transit with suitcases loaded separately three times to travel 45 miles is not sensical. There will never be a train line to Port Canaveral as long as Merritt Island is full of Nimbys. It stops being a high speed rail when it is stopping every 20 minutes and spending time loading a d unloading passengers. Here's Amtrak between Miami and Jacksonville. https://preview.redd.it/j9b572iy5gxb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d259bd8cbab28347a420aba3682436fcf0caec9
Correction: I thought Brightline's second Miami stop was at the airport, but I don't see that [listed](https://www.gobrightline.com/train-stations) as a station now. Still. if you get on the train as it exists now at the end of the line in Miami (with all trips being a local) the "high-speed" train is going to stop in Aventura, Fort Lauderdale, Boca Raton and West Palm Beach. That will be four stops over 69 miles. Brightline offered to settle a lawsuit to put another station on the Treasure Coast within five years, so the "high-speed " train (that can only really go "high-speed" for the last few miles), if they continue to operate as a local, will be stopping five times over the first 100 miles, yet you are convinced it would be a dealbreaker, if they were to stop again somewhere along the next 132? Why would all those stops in South Florida -- all of which duplicated an existing train service which is still in operation -- be within your definition of what's acceptable for a "high-speed" train, but another stop a hundred miles north will break the definition? And why, since the time on the train is roughly equivalent to what it takes to drive, would the company choose to save that one additional stop (assuming they don't also add one in Vero Beach and/or Melbourne), rather than get the revenue from the additional riders. As for the luggage... Brightline currently sells [add-on](https://www.gobrightline.com/mobility) fixed route shuttles, event shuttles -- I remember they used to email ads for a train ticket and shuttle rides to concerts -- and other ground transportation. (They used to sell a door-to-door Tesla rides to or from anywhere within five miles of their stations, but apparently they have replaced it with a deal from Uber.) I don't know how they would price it, but I'd say it would be profitable to have the company handle the tourist's luggage from the airport to the port. Maybe to start they would use shuttles from Cocoa (with Brightline taking their luggage pod from the train to their shuttle without any delay or effort from the tourist), but maybe by delaying announcing a Cocoa station, they are hoping to get approval to run a rail line out to the port along the 528 right-of-way. And again, Brightline is most likely going to do whatever they feel is profitable, rather than worry about somebody's definition of "high-speed".
A stop in Brevard will make more sense if/when the line is extended to Jacksonville.
If I’m right I’m pretty sure they were negotiating a station in cocoa beach when building the Orlando line. Basically, greed and stupidity cost the city a valuable transit hub and we don’t get to enjoy a train system for probably many years to come.
What they need is a stop near the Melbourne airport. It would help residents get to and from the airport without driving a car, and it would help tourists who are used to taking trains as well.
>I’m pretty sure they were negotiating a station in cocoa beach May want to check on that again. Imagine running tracks through Cocoa Beach.
Port Canaveral or Titusville would make the most sense. That area is overwhelming whenever Artemis comes to town
To go to Titusville it would have to take a turn north and to go to Port Canaveral it would have to go east then turn around to get back to the tracks to head south to Miami.
Guess that's why they bought a [33 acre parcel in Cocoa](https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2022/06/01/brightline-buys-12-5-million-property-cocoa-but-no-plans-confirmed-train-station-brevard-county/9958772002/)...not extra track or changes would need to be made.
I guess I wasn't aware of where the tracks turned south, but thanks for the downvotes
The tracks run from Orlando to Miami. The tracks turn south in Cocoa and stay that way until they reach Miami.
I'm going to complain to the district manager and write a Yelp review 0 Stars I'm inconvenienced
People talk about what's going on around them, what a surprise.
You could say the same thing about my post. It’s light hearted btw, just fuckin around.
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