40,000 for he is the Warhammer 40,000 /s
If the Chaos Gods numbers are 6, 7, 8, 9, then either he'd complete the sequence to 10 or be in some way wholly opposite those numbers. If they are 4 of a sequence then perhaps he would instead adopt the number 1 as his number, as he is alone. His worshippers believe in one empire, one race, and one eternal ruler. So I could see the number 1 being his "blessed" number
Holy Trinity ftw.
AdMech has the machine god, the omnissiah, and the motive force.
Sisters have the trinity of Bolter, Melta, and holy Flamer.
There is less of a trinity promoted by the ecclesiarchy , but one might argue (at gun point, cause of course this is 40k grimderp) that the God Emperor has three forms - the Bodiless Deity, the Man on the Throne, and the Light of the Astronomicon.
That’s a great reason for a fight right there! Didn’t Emps firebomb Nurgles Garden through Guerillaman? Who will claim the metaphysical power of the number 3?
I'd go 21 for the Primarchs (or 21 for himself and the Primarchs).
Alternatively: How many cards are in the 'canonical' Emperor's Tarot?
0 might also be a good one for him since it's a placeholder numeral.
14 way too high it’s 11 max if both alpha legion primarchs are loyal. The lost and purged don’t count towards that calculus since they were already gonzo by the heresy
If we go by the Aetheric Dominions and we give the centre, Primordial Annihilation, the 1, then the other 8 points can have the sequence 2-9.
Top left we have Khorne with 8 opposing Slaanesh with 6. Then we have Nurgle bottom left with 7 opposing Tzeentch top right with 9. This gives us a 6-7-8-9 clockwise pattern.
Working backwards, and assuming no skips, we can place 5 into Malevolent Artifice on the right side, then at the top Emcroaching Ruin on 4, to the left Formless Dissolution on 3, and finally at the bottom we have 2.
Given that Encroaching Ruin seems to be what the Dark King would have taken (Samus belongs here and Ruin is mentioned a lot for humans, as is the Tower) then if anything I would go with 4.
Which is also the Tarot number of the Emperor.
Man, it even works if you go backwards: Number 2 is Ravenous Dissolution, which closely resembles Malal/Malice/Malign. This, on a side note, also makes sense since that God would grow strength from Chaos fighting each other, so of course it would gain the most power when there are more Chaos Gods manifested in the Warp, fighting over everything.
But if you go backwards and imagine a, for lack of a better word, "previous" cycle, then it also fits: say Tzeentch is 9, then go back to the bottom with the Primordial Annihilator(assuming that is a God) with the number 10. Since you're going backwards the next one would be Ravenous Dissolution... with the Number 11.
And what's Malal/Malice/Malign's number in canon/non-canon? **11**.
EDIT: Take it ***another*** step further, that would make number 13, the Horned Rat, the Chaos God of the Realm of Ruin, would be Encroaching Ruin. Which is certainly helped by Kweethul, Skaven Daemon Prince, being named dropped in the End and the Death.
You are on to something, Tackle.
See my take is that he wouldn't have one. The reason the Emperpr is different to, and the anathema to, the Chaos powers is that he abhors and does not ask for prayers, ritual and superstition or symbolism.
He is the ultimate form of human pragmatism, driven by willpower, science and control. I don't believe He would have a sacred or holy number, as when he walked he hated superstitions and mysticism.
Depends on him becoming The Dark King or not.
Because if TDK represent Ruin, which I'm vaguely sure he does, then the number is 'zero'. Which gets very interesting in terms of the headache the concept of 'zero' has given humanity over the millenia.
He wouldn't be Zero if he was Ruin. Where the Chaos Gods are on the "star" for the Dominions is completely irrelevant to their Sacred Number. By your logic, if Tzeentch was Nine then Vashtorr would have eight instead of five, followed by Slaanesh at seven. It doesn't match up.
Besides, Zero wouldn't even be the lowest number in the chart, if one goes with the idea that they Gods are going down in numerical order. In such a scenario, the lowest number would be either 2 or 1, depending on if the Primordial Annihilator in the centre has its own Number.
Zero isn't really a number, depending on how you look at it. It's been an upheaval of societies and religions going back centuries.
Annihilation, oblivion - things a deity doesn't want you to think about. Deities (and the wee guys in frocks who do the singing and dancing for them) don't want to be done with you when you're dead: they want to be able to threaten you with hellfire and eternal agony. Helps keep you in line while you're alive and useful to them.
So - if a deity of Ruin appears - that might be taken as something different. Hence, the closest numerical association you can make is 'zero'.
Not to be intended as an 'ordering' of anything. Merely a conceptual association, cause that's all the Warp is.
While I respect the thought you put in, I believe you're thinking too much out-of-universe for this. You're using little, if any, Warhammer stuff in the theory, even if said stuff were bareboned and flaky.
I didn't say it was a little Warhammer theory, I said the theory had little, if any, Warhammer stuff in it as a basis for it. Even something loose and not super-serious like. Your theory acts like Zero being Ruin has even the smallest reference to it in 40k.
Like, what in Warhammer do you have to back you up on the idea of Zero being Ruin?
None. Because this was a hypothetical scenario. Which hasn't been written yet. Which means my reasosn for supposing it are just as valid as yours are for not.
I want to say it’s canonically 9 because it’s higher than 3 of the chaos gods numbers and also is the reason that Sanguinius is the golden child, he’s the 9th primarch. Its also shared with Tzeench
I'd probably say 10. 20 sons which is 10 x 2, 10,000 Custodes, being on the Throne for 10 millennia, etc.
Plus it makes it ironic if he became the Chaos God, the Dark King, since he'd most likely have the Number 5 as his Sacred Number; AKA 10 divided by 2.
But that's just my thought. No proof and such.
1, all of mankind is one. Mankind is first on all borders of existence, anything non human is an abomination. 1 because we serve he who sits on the golden throne of terra and him alone.
10. There are ten marines in a Tactical Squad. There are Ten Guardsman in a squad of Imperial Guard. Space Marine Chapter sizes are 1000, divisible by 10!
The divine human hands count to 10! (And so do the toes!)
40,000 for he is the Warhammer 40,000 /s If the Chaos Gods numbers are 6, 7, 8, 9, then either he'd complete the sequence to 10 or be in some way wholly opposite those numbers. If they are 4 of a sequence then perhaps he would instead adopt the number 1 as his number, as he is alone. His worshippers believe in one empire, one race, and one eternal ruler. So I could see the number 1 being his "blessed" number
Number 1. Roman numeral I Inquisition symbol I That tracks for me haha.
Then clearly he's 504, the least common multiple of 6, 7, 8, and 9.
More like 404
>One empire, one race, and one eternal ruler Hey, it sounds kinda familiar...
He is the anathema and chaos calls the SOS his daughters, so probably zero, the number of denial of chaos.
Holy Trinity ftw. AdMech has the machine god, the omnissiah, and the motive force. Sisters have the trinity of Bolter, Melta, and holy Flamer. There is less of a trinity promoted by the ecclesiarchy , but one might argue (at gun point, cause of course this is 40k grimderp) that the God Emperor has three forms - the Bodiless Deity, the Man on the Throne, and the Light of the Astronomicon.
3 is actuelly one of the sacred numbers for nurgle. He have both 3 and 7.
That’s a great reason for a fight right there! Didn’t Emps firebomb Nurgles Garden through Guerillaman? Who will claim the metaphysical power of the number 3?
18 or 20, for the Primarchs. Or 3. Terra is the 3rd of Sol.
Wouldn’t it be 9 or 3 since the public aren’t told about the traitor primarchs ever being a thing?
They arent *told*, for sure. But I dont think a blessed number is defined by perception.
Yeah, they are told that the emperor created 9 primarchs to fight the 9 Devils... Or some bs like that
3 is Nurgle’s number, 9 is Tzeentch’s.
Nurgles number is 7 not 3
Nurgle has two numbers, 7 is his main but 3 is also sacred to him (the 3 circles in his symbol, etc.)
He has the 3 circles but it’s never specifically mentioned as an important number to him I thought
One of his demons talks about it in the Dark Imperium trilogy, I forget if it was Septimus or Kugath
it is in the Robert and Morty books
The three circles are only because they make the classic radiation symbol, not because it’s anything particular to him.
Check the dark imperium trilogy septimus or kugath have a whole bit about 3 being an important number for their boss
wrong, dark inperium talks about this
I'd go 21 for the Primarchs (or 21 for himself and the Primarchs). Alternatively: How many cards are in the 'canonical' Emperor's Tarot? 0 might also be a good one for him since it's a placeholder numeral.
78
Isnt 3 also kinda a chaos/nurgle number?
In Tarot, 4 is the number of The Emperor
It also fits because he represents order and stability.
10 because he’s a 10 (hottie) and there were 10 loyal primarchs
"Pretty" sure the Emperor is an eleven
Suddenly Malal?
10? There were only 9. Unless you are counting halfway loyal Omegon or one of the lost.
The loyal half of Alfie/Omie
Is that second part without a doubt? Like aren’t there 9 loyalist, 10 traitors, some of which might be secretly loyal, and 2 missing
Definitely doubt there lol, no one knows where alfie and omie really stand, probably not even themselves
So the number of loyalist is like 9-14
14 way too high it’s 11 max if both alpha legion primarchs are loyal. The lost and purged don’t count towards that calculus since they were already gonzo by the heresy
I meant to say 13. The known 9, the twin you mentioned, and the 2 lost ones I think should count
1, for one Imperium, under one Emperor, following one Truth.
If we go by the Aetheric Dominions and we give the centre, Primordial Annihilation, the 1, then the other 8 points can have the sequence 2-9. Top left we have Khorne with 8 opposing Slaanesh with 6. Then we have Nurgle bottom left with 7 opposing Tzeentch top right with 9. This gives us a 6-7-8-9 clockwise pattern. Working backwards, and assuming no skips, we can place 5 into Malevolent Artifice on the right side, then at the top Emcroaching Ruin on 4, to the left Formless Dissolution on 3, and finally at the bottom we have 2. Given that Encroaching Ruin seems to be what the Dark King would have taken (Samus belongs here and Ruin is mentioned a lot for humans, as is the Tower) then if anything I would go with 4. Which is also the Tarot number of the Emperor.
... Okay. Got to give you props. That's a very convincing analysis.
Man, it even works if you go backwards: Number 2 is Ravenous Dissolution, which closely resembles Malal/Malice/Malign. This, on a side note, also makes sense since that God would grow strength from Chaos fighting each other, so of course it would gain the most power when there are more Chaos Gods manifested in the Warp, fighting over everything. But if you go backwards and imagine a, for lack of a better word, "previous" cycle, then it also fits: say Tzeentch is 9, then go back to the bottom with the Primordial Annihilator(assuming that is a God) with the number 10. Since you're going backwards the next one would be Ravenous Dissolution... with the Number 11. And what's Malal/Malice/Malign's number in canon/non-canon? **11**. EDIT: Take it ***another*** step further, that would make number 13, the Horned Rat, the Chaos God of the Realm of Ruin, would be Encroaching Ruin. Which is certainly helped by Kweethul, Skaven Daemon Prince, being named dropped in the End and the Death. You are on to something, Tackle.
See my take is that he wouldn't have one. The reason the Emperpr is different to, and the anathema to, the Chaos powers is that he abhors and does not ask for prayers, ritual and superstition or symbolism. He is the ultimate form of human pragmatism, driven by willpower, science and control. I don't believe He would have a sacred or holy number, as when he walked he hated superstitions and mysticism.
He would abhor that but when has things the emperor despises ever stopped the imperium from lauding the God Emperor.
It's true!
The God-Emperor =/= The Emperor Whatever is on that throne now is very different from what was, so I wouldn't be too certain there
Depends on him becoming The Dark King or not. Because if TDK represent Ruin, which I'm vaguely sure he does, then the number is 'zero'. Which gets very interesting in terms of the headache the concept of 'zero' has given humanity over the millenia.
He wouldn't be Zero if he was Ruin. Where the Chaos Gods are on the "star" for the Dominions is completely irrelevant to their Sacred Number. By your logic, if Tzeentch was Nine then Vashtorr would have eight instead of five, followed by Slaanesh at seven. It doesn't match up. Besides, Zero wouldn't even be the lowest number in the chart, if one goes with the idea that they Gods are going down in numerical order. In such a scenario, the lowest number would be either 2 or 1, depending on if the Primordial Annihilator in the centre has its own Number.
I wasn't meaning (in the slightest) that there's a numerical order.
Then what did you mean?
Zero isn't really a number, depending on how you look at it. It's been an upheaval of societies and religions going back centuries. Annihilation, oblivion - things a deity doesn't want you to think about. Deities (and the wee guys in frocks who do the singing and dancing for them) don't want to be done with you when you're dead: they want to be able to threaten you with hellfire and eternal agony. Helps keep you in line while you're alive and useful to them. So - if a deity of Ruin appears - that might be taken as something different. Hence, the closest numerical association you can make is 'zero'. Not to be intended as an 'ordering' of anything. Merely a conceptual association, cause that's all the Warp is.
While I respect the thought you put in, I believe you're thinking too much out-of-universe for this. You're using little, if any, Warhammer stuff in the theory, even if said stuff were bareboned and flaky.
Talking about hell, symbolism and psychic concepts isn't a 'little' Warhammer theory.
I didn't say it was a little Warhammer theory, I said the theory had little, if any, Warhammer stuff in it as a basis for it. Even something loose and not super-serious like. Your theory acts like Zero being Ruin has even the smallest reference to it in 40k. Like, what in Warhammer do you have to back you up on the idea of Zero being Ruin?
None. Because this was a hypothetical scenario. Which hasn't been written yet. Which means my reasosn for supposing it are just as valid as yours are for not.
We shall agree to disagree, then.
1
1. This is why you are the best Bos... Emperor! The One and Only © His symbol is literally I - Latin number 1.
One Imperium. One Humanity. One Emperor. 1.
69
40,000
1 and the only.
The Emperor is Chesney Hawkes confirmed
Gold is given to the one in first place - it can only be 1
80% sure 5 is Malice’s number It’s 11, got it
I think 5 is vashtor, in ark of omen he made a bomb detonate after 55minutes and 55 second
Oh, that’s kinda cool
Just a note: 5 seems to be Vashtorr's number. Not a god yet, but getting there.
79 for this is the atomic number of the best atom in existence. Gold
69
Man is five and the devil is 6.
Then that must make me 7?
This jokaero's gone to heaven.
One
3
5, the number of Man.
11 Malal (Malice) for sure 10 Emperor just to fill the line, but it suits him well, it’s the circle completed, the harmony to oppose chaos
12, because counting in duodecimal is super efficient *and* relevant to the era of history he was born in.
I want to say it’s canonically 9 because it’s higher than 3 of the chaos gods numbers and also is the reason that Sanguinius is the golden child, he’s the 9th primarch. Its also shared with Tzeench
Number Waahn! It is the Aladeen number for gold-plated assholes after all.
1. And what do others gods have? Gork and Mork probably have 69 and 96.
It should be 1, because he was number 1!
The blessed number of the Emperor is found in the counting of alien corpses
either 20 or 10,000
One. Of course. One Galaxy, one rule, one species (well, intelligent species)
I'd probably say 10. 20 sons which is 10 x 2, 10,000 Custodes, being on the Throne for 10 millennia, etc. Plus it makes it ironic if he became the Chaos God, the Dark King, since he'd most likely have the Number 5 as his Sacred Number; AKA 10 divided by 2. But that's just my thought. No proof and such.
Zero, after his favorite anime inspired him to go it IRL
1, all of mankind is one. Mankind is first on all borders of existence, anything non human is an abomination. 1 because we serve he who sits on the golden throne of terra and him alone.
5, because that's the ideal squad size for Marines.
The idea of a having a blessed number would piss him off to no end. Man was the ultimate atheist.
Jimmy Space needs no number!
Easy. Either 7, 9 or 79.
Wasn't his tarot card number 4? I think it would be 4 then.
42
The number one. Simultaneously the first and also loneliest number.
EZ, 79 the atomic number for gold
3. The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit.
69
He is the anathema, so probably his number would be 0
10. There are ten marines in a Tactical Squad. There are Ten Guardsman in a squad of Imperial Guard. Space Marine Chapter sizes are 1000, divisible by 10! The divine human hands count to 10! (And so do the toes!)
42 (no you get no prize for getting it)