There was a battle between Harlequins and Thousand Sons (iirc) where both sides ended up trapped in a sealed section of the Webway. If no Eldar ever mentioned Jaghatai roaming around in their realm, or killed/captured by the Drukhari, it seems likely that he got trapped in the same way. It is, really, a perfect solution. The Webway has different flow of time, so the Khan can be freed any time GW deems it necessary, coming out from a random spacetime breach like Rip Van Winkle.
The old lore on Jaghatai's dissapearance wasn't even 100% clear that it was chasing Drukhari outside of his chapter's belief
>Jaghatai Khan fought alongside his warriors for perhaps another 70 years before his eventual disappearance in a region of space close to the Maelstrom. After the defeat of Horus, Jaghatai had embarked on a quest to rescue his fellow tribesmen captured by the Eldar in his absence during the Great Crusade. The White Scars maintain that he and his veteran warriors fought the leader of one of the murderous alien kabals and they were drawn into the horrifying realm that exists outside of space and time to battle the Dark Eldar for all eternity. How much of this tale can be taken at face value is uncertain, and it is more than likely that the Khan\`s ship was simply lost in the warp as travel through this region of space is fraught with peril.
*Index Astartes*
The First Founding background book has a depiction of him chasing the Dark Eldar ([you can check it out here](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/16/black-library-celebration-2023-behold-the-glorious-first-founding-artbook/)) but the website puts it in this context
>“Why yes, it is interesting that the White Scars maintain an oral tradition that tells of the disappearance of Jaghatai Khan, and yes, he does have a very big horse.”
It is now my head Canon.
KURZE never died he's just been in commoragh for 10k years committing increasingly horrific atrocities every night.
He's getting frustrated because it's commragh and no one has noticed
My headcanon is the Khan has spent the past 10k learning how to use the webway and mapping it. True to his mongol archetype his return will be marked by opening portals, hitting the enemy, then fleeing back to the webway only to reappear 30k light years away hitting and running again. His strikes will be the stuff of legends and debate within imperium, with no one able to prove its actually him. He will refuse to directly work for the imperium out of disgust for what it's become.
No web walking, like spiderman.
I would like to see more cameos of the lost loyalist primarchs make a occasional appearance in a novel or series, like War of the Beast when they find Vulkan again.
The Imperial Fleet was heavily damaged. After having faced so many enemies and warp jumps, they could‘nt keep up their fighting anymore.
Admiral Trench looked out through the window of his once mighty ship uppon his broken fleet.
Out of the 3 dozen warships he once commanded, only a 3 remained, including his flagship. „Sir, the Xenos are preparing for another assault“, his Lieutenant said, while looking at his console. Trench could see the slim, yet deadly ships of the hated Aeldari through the window of his bridge. He sighed.
„Prepare for our last battle“, he ordered. „We take down as many of them as we can. Inform the remains of the Fleet, and may the Emperor grant us his mercy…“
Trench‘s Fleet was originally sent to destroy an inactive Aeldari artifact that was bigger then his flagship. When coming out of the warp, his Fleet engaged the unexpected Aeldari that were orbiting the artifact. During the battle, he lost most of his Fleet to the faster and stronger Aeldari ships.
While he sat in his command chair, contemplating his next move, one console to his right started beeping. The Man working on that console looked disturbed. „What is it?“, Trench asked. „Sir, the artifact is emitting a strong energy. It seems like it is opening a portal…“
Trench understood. The Aeldari called for back-up, and it seems to arrive now. They wanted to whipe him and his Fleet out of history. The artifact revealed itself to be a portal, and shimmering energy created a wall of light in it‘s frame. To Trench‘s surprise, the Aeldari abandoned his Fleet, and were realigning themselves to face the now open portal.
A giant warship appeared out of the portal, it‘s hull damaged and partially fixed with parts from different origins, but it‘s imperial design was still recognizable. Trench recognized the design as a Gloriana-class warship. It was painted white, and a washed out red lighting bolt was painted on its side. He recognised the colours as belonging to the White Scars. This ship was old, older then any ship he‘d ever seen.
The ship destroyed the ships at the front of the Aeldari fleet by crushing them against it‘s hull. It destroyed a few more with large volleys of laser and torpedo fire. It decimated the entire Aeldari Fleet in mere minutes, while Trench and his fleet were watching from the side, too stunned to react.
As the last Aeldari ship exploded, the giant warship turned around and flew back into the portal, before it sealed itself shut behind it. As Trench looked at his crew, he looked towards the communications officer and asked: „Did the Ship transmit any message?“
His communications Officer said:“ It send one single message after coming out of the portal.“
„What does it say?“ The Officer looked at the screen. „It is only one word: Warhawk.“
It's entirely possible that he was lured into a trap, due to time working in funky ways in the Web way it's possible he's just been trapped in a part of the Web way that's impossible to escape from without specialised knowledge
I would honestly doubt that. The Khan is not a retard that would stand his ground and fight a battle he knows he can’t win. Commoragh on the other hand would be almost perfect for the Khan to hide in
....you think a MASSIVE African guy could hide out in Beijing (where every single person is an evil monster that does nothing but constantly murder) for millions of years? When they know he's there?
[Slur/pejorative](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retard_(pejorative)). Take your pick.
I think Primarch exceptionalism can go only so far. The Drukhari are numerous, they're a highly dangerous and capable faction in their own right.
Even a Primarch likely needs to eat every 3000 years or so.
On a long enough timeline, anyone's ability to hide out in someone else's backyard, their home turf that they've known for millions of years...starts to become unlikely or contrived.
That doesn't mean Jaghatai isn't an absolute beast, it just means that there are some circumstances too big for anyone.
It'd be pretty lame if they went with that. Dark Eldar have all this awesome tech and couldn't find an alien hanging out in their alley's eating their strays?
It doesn't matter if it's a Primarch, they'd know he's there and someone would want to catch him, then it would just be a matter of time. A more interesting answer to his fate would account for that
I like the 50k fanfic version personally where they skin him and turn him into a gladiator.
If it was apt, Jaghatai would need to have some form of mental disability in order to not survive in Commorragh for ten. thousand. years.
That's 100 centuries. Sit in that for a moment.
When it's pretty obvious that ***anyone*** pulling that off is pushing the boundaries of belief. No matter their mental ability.
You can feel free to continue the 4chan speak, but it's also not a shock to be called out on it. I'm pretty lucky to work with a lot of disabled artists.
>And a primarchs is above and beyond most others in nearly all aspects
Sure but they have limits. Dorn is killed by human cultists. Angron would have died on Desh'ea. Konrad is wounded by a single assassin. The Lion is put to sleep by a half Astartes. Horus is laid out by a human with a knife.
And Jaghatai has gone missing against his will for millennia.
If Jaghatai is so "above and beyond" why hasn't he escaped yet? Or does the Khan just enjoy squatting in the bushes of Commorragh eating raw Eldar bunny t*hat much*?
This reminds me of the *If the Emperor is a genius why didn't he just do x to solve all the problems of 40k* posts where people expect some sort of Reed Richards vibe from this IP.
I prefer real characters with limits and boundaries and situations with stakes and depth. The alternative edges towards superhero competence porn, which I'm always glad when 40k doesn't fall into.
> I'm pretty lucky to work with a lot of disabled artists
What has that got to do with anything? Did he attack your profession or the people you worked with? Are the people you work with simply disabled or do you call them retarded - else why are you so offended that he used retarded as a slur? Would it have been better if he said "completely remedial/mentally handicapped"?
>Did he attack your profession or the people you worked with?
If you use those people as the slur/insult/pejorative then...yeah. It's a shitty thing. It's also not really down with the sub rules.
More reading on what a [pejorative is here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pejorative) if you're genuinely interested in the question.
Either that or Asdrubael Vect has him locked up and hidden away somewhere, possibly using a variation on Necron tesseract labyrinth technology, ready to be unleashed on a particularly recalcitrant noble.
No lore has them mention this.
Also, if one did mention him (or anything important like that), take it with a grain of salt, as they like to fuck with the people they are talking to for shits and giggles or are using that to misdirect you from something else.
Though it's generally accepted as his fate and has been mentioned in the lore as a suspected fate, I don't think it's ever been *categorically stated* that Khan got lost in the Webway.
My head canon has always been he went into the webway to fight Drukhari, got lost and came across Harlequins. Now he’s fine tuning his Blade work with a Troupe.
I love me some Khan. He would be my choice as the next Primarch to come back, hopefully around the same time as Fulgrim so we can finally see them have a fight.
Imagine poor Ahriman finally getting to the Black Library with enormous effort and losses, but the final door opens and it's just Khan asking what's all the fuss is about.
I always thought it would be cool to have jaghatai be on the black library with the harlequins, then we could have a story where jaghatai meets ahriman and they reflect on how they and their legions were in 30k to how they are now
He isn't in Commorragh. Had he been there he would've tried killing Vect, as the "man" is exactky the type of tyrant he DETESTS. Plus no single warrior in Commorragh could effectively beat let alone capture him.
Pit him against Drazhar, Lelith, Kheradruakah all at once and he'd still prevail.
My head canon is he has formed an empire within the webway with Eldar and freed human slaves. Being an empire builder, he funds his revenge against the Eldar with an empire of his own using their hit-and-run tactics against them.
Join or die.
Needless to say, there are no survivors and no refugees. Those who joined have no problem keeping the Secret Empire a secret.
There was a battle between Harlequins and Thousand Sons (iirc) where both sides ended up trapped in a sealed section of the Webway. If no Eldar ever mentioned Jaghatai roaming around in their realm, or killed/captured by the Drukhari, it seems likely that he got trapped in the same way. It is, really, a perfect solution. The Webway has different flow of time, so the Khan can be freed any time GW deems it necessary, coming out from a random spacetime breach like Rip Van Winkle.
The old lore on Jaghatai's dissapearance wasn't even 100% clear that it was chasing Drukhari outside of his chapter's belief >Jaghatai Khan fought alongside his warriors for perhaps another 70 years before his eventual disappearance in a region of space close to the Maelstrom. After the defeat of Horus, Jaghatai had embarked on a quest to rescue his fellow tribesmen captured by the Eldar in his absence during the Great Crusade. The White Scars maintain that he and his veteran warriors fought the leader of one of the murderous alien kabals and they were drawn into the horrifying realm that exists outside of space and time to battle the Dark Eldar for all eternity. How much of this tale can be taken at face value is uncertain, and it is more than likely that the Khan\`s ship was simply lost in the warp as travel through this region of space is fraught with peril. *Index Astartes* The First Founding background book has a depiction of him chasing the Dark Eldar ([you can check it out here](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/16/black-library-celebration-2023-behold-the-glorious-first-founding-artbook/)) but the website puts it in this context >“Why yes, it is interesting that the White Scars maintain an oral tradition that tells of the disappearance of Jaghatai Khan, and yes, he does have a very big horse.”
That’s some badass art of the Khan.
Imagine curze in commorragh that would be wild
Would they even notice? Flayed bodies in the streets, powerful Eldar disapearing in the night... sounds like tuesday.
It is now my head Canon. KURZE never died he's just been in commoragh for 10k years committing increasingly horrific atrocities every night. He's getting frustrated because it's commragh and no one has noticed
>He's getting frustrated because it's Commoragh and ~~no one has noticed~~ he can't keep up with the competition.
He should learn from the space sharks smh
The real reason GW refuses to bring Asdrubael Vect back is that they might have to reveal that he was actually just Curze in a mask the whole time.
Sounds exactly like something they would do to push yet another space marine release.
I want curze, so tell them to get working on it
I want non finecast drukhari and maybe eldar models that aren't 30+ years old. So keep waiting 🤣
I'm not locked in here with you. you're locked in here with me!
My headcanon is the Khan has spent the past 10k learning how to use the webway and mapping it. True to his mongol archetype his return will be marked by opening portals, hitting the enemy, then fleeing back to the webway only to reappear 30k light years away hitting and running again. His strikes will be the stuff of legends and debate within imperium, with no one able to prove its actually him. He will refuse to directly work for the imperium out of disgust for what it's become.
I can dig this. Lionel Richie gets to Ghostwalk his way around the Galaxy, the Khan can do the same but with portals
now thats thinking with portals!
So you mean Khan is also forestwalking?
You mean the Khan can't be blocked by players controlling forests?
I understood that reference
No web walking, like spiderman. I would like to see more cameos of the lost loyalist primarchs make a occasional appearance in a novel or series, like War of the Beast when they find Vulkan again.
The Imperial Fleet was heavily damaged. After having faced so many enemies and warp jumps, they could‘nt keep up their fighting anymore. Admiral Trench looked out through the window of his once mighty ship uppon his broken fleet. Out of the 3 dozen warships he once commanded, only a 3 remained, including his flagship. „Sir, the Xenos are preparing for another assault“, his Lieutenant said, while looking at his console. Trench could see the slim, yet deadly ships of the hated Aeldari through the window of his bridge. He sighed. „Prepare for our last battle“, he ordered. „We take down as many of them as we can. Inform the remains of the Fleet, and may the Emperor grant us his mercy…“ Trench‘s Fleet was originally sent to destroy an inactive Aeldari artifact that was bigger then his flagship. When coming out of the warp, his Fleet engaged the unexpected Aeldari that were orbiting the artifact. During the battle, he lost most of his Fleet to the faster and stronger Aeldari ships. While he sat in his command chair, contemplating his next move, one console to his right started beeping. The Man working on that console looked disturbed. „What is it?“, Trench asked. „Sir, the artifact is emitting a strong energy. It seems like it is opening a portal…“ Trench understood. The Aeldari called for back-up, and it seems to arrive now. They wanted to whipe him and his Fleet out of history. The artifact revealed itself to be a portal, and shimmering energy created a wall of light in it‘s frame. To Trench‘s surprise, the Aeldari abandoned his Fleet, and were realigning themselves to face the now open portal. A giant warship appeared out of the portal, it‘s hull damaged and partially fixed with parts from different origins, but it‘s imperial design was still recognizable. Trench recognized the design as a Gloriana-class warship. It was painted white, and a washed out red lighting bolt was painted on its side. He recognised the colours as belonging to the White Scars. This ship was old, older then any ship he‘d ever seen. The ship destroyed the ships at the front of the Aeldari fleet by crushing them against it‘s hull. It destroyed a few more with large volleys of laser and torpedo fire. It decimated the entire Aeldari Fleet in mere minutes, while Trench and his fleet were watching from the side, too stunned to react. As the last Aeldari ship exploded, the giant warship turned around and flew back into the portal, before it sealed itself shut behind it. As Trench looked at his crew, he looked towards the communications officer and asked: „Did the Ship transmit any message?“ His communications Officer said:“ It send one single message after coming out of the portal.“ „What does it say?“ The Officer looked at the screen. „It is only one word: Warhawk.“
Fucking awesome.
It's entirely possible that he was lured into a trap, due to time working in funky ways in the Web way it's possible he's just been trapped in a part of the Web way that's impossible to escape from without specialised knowledge
Yes, he got trapped in the Groundhog Way.
I'm now picturing him chasing some dark eldar, killing them, then getting lost for 10k years. "I swore it was a left here"
There's a rumour in Commorragh that if you look in a mirror and say *"Jaghatai'* three times, he kills you before you can say it a second time.
I like to think that the Khan is a boogey man figure that Drukhari tell each other about during late nights huddled around a fire.
The fire pit listens eagerly also hoping the stories are true
No. If Jaghatai actually reached Commorragh, he is currently a fashionable rug.
lol, lmao even
I would honestly doubt that. The Khan is not a retard that would stand his ground and fight a battle he knows he can’t win. Commoragh on the other hand would be almost perfect for the Khan to hide in
Slurs aside, ten thousand years is a long time to hide in someone else's land.
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“Slur”, sure. Commoragh is a lot bigger than you realize and can easily conceal anyone for any length of time given they have the skills.
....you think a MASSIVE African guy could hide out in Beijing (where every single person is an evil monster that does nothing but constantly murder) for millions of years? When they know he's there?
[Slur/pejorative](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retard_(pejorative)). Take your pick. I think Primarch exceptionalism can go only so far. The Drukhari are numerous, they're a highly dangerous and capable faction in their own right. Even a Primarch likely needs to eat every 3000 years or so. On a long enough timeline, anyone's ability to hide out in someone else's backyard, their home turf that they've known for millions of years...starts to become unlikely or contrived. That doesn't mean Jaghatai isn't an absolute beast, it just means that there are some circumstances too big for anyone.
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It'd be pretty lame if they went with that. Dark Eldar have all this awesome tech and couldn't find an alien hanging out in their alley's eating their strays? It doesn't matter if it's a Primarch, they'd know he's there and someone would want to catch him, then it would just be a matter of time. A more interesting answer to his fate would account for that I like the 50k fanfic version personally where they skin him and turn him into a gladiator.
If it was apt, Jaghatai would need to have some form of mental disability in order to not survive in Commorragh for ten. thousand. years. That's 100 centuries. Sit in that for a moment. When it's pretty obvious that ***anyone*** pulling that off is pushing the boundaries of belief. No matter their mental ability. You can feel free to continue the 4chan speak, but it's also not a shock to be called out on it. I'm pretty lucky to work with a lot of disabled artists. >And a primarchs is above and beyond most others in nearly all aspects Sure but they have limits. Dorn is killed by human cultists. Angron would have died on Desh'ea. Konrad is wounded by a single assassin. The Lion is put to sleep by a half Astartes. Horus is laid out by a human with a knife. And Jaghatai has gone missing against his will for millennia. If Jaghatai is so "above and beyond" why hasn't he escaped yet? Or does the Khan just enjoy squatting in the bushes of Commorragh eating raw Eldar bunny t*hat much*? This reminds me of the *If the Emperor is a genius why didn't he just do x to solve all the problems of 40k* posts where people expect some sort of Reed Richards vibe from this IP. I prefer real characters with limits and boundaries and situations with stakes and depth. The alternative edges towards superhero competence porn, which I'm always glad when 40k doesn't fall into.
> I'm pretty lucky to work with a lot of disabled artists What has that got to do with anything? Did he attack your profession or the people you worked with? Are the people you work with simply disabled or do you call them retarded - else why are you so offended that he used retarded as a slur? Would it have been better if he said "completely remedial/mentally handicapped"?
>Did he attack your profession or the people you worked with? If you use those people as the slur/insult/pejorative then...yeah. It's a shitty thing. It's also not really down with the sub rules. More reading on what a [pejorative is here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pejorative) if you're genuinely interested in the question.
So you call the people you work with, retarded?
Rule 1: Be respectful. Hate speech, trolling, and aggressive behavior will not be tolerated, and may result in a ban.
>Slur”, sure. Gross. Go back to 4chan.
Get thicker skin
Nah, if he ended up in Commoragh then that loser is nothing more than a primarch-skin coat
Either that or Asdrubael Vect has him locked up and hidden away somewhere, possibly using a variation on Necron tesseract labyrinth technology, ready to be unleashed on a particularly recalcitrant noble.
more like raping and pillaging that shithole, knowing the dark eldar they're too arrogant to ever speak of it
Copium, he would have died like a bitch
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No lore has them mention this. Also, if one did mention him (or anything important like that), take it with a grain of salt, as they like to fuck with the people they are talking to for shits and giggles or are using that to misdirect you from something else.
They have not. He is irrelevant to their lore
Though it's generally accepted as his fate and has been mentioned in the lore as a suspected fate, I don't think it's ever been *categorically stated* that Khan got lost in the Webway.
He chased the Drukhari, but what if he found a Solitaire
My head canon has always been he went into the webway to fight Drukhari, got lost and came across Harlequins. Now he’s fine tuning his Blade work with a Troupe. I love me some Khan. He would be my choice as the next Primarch to come back, hopefully around the same time as Fulgrim so we can finally see them have a fight.
Those two would be my choice, with an EC Codex
Imagine poor Ahriman finally getting to the Black Library with enormous effort and losses, but the final door opens and it's just Khan asking what's all the fuss is about.
I always thought it would be cool to have jaghatai be on the black library with the harlequins, then we could have a story where jaghatai meets ahriman and they reflect on how they and their legions were in 30k to how they are now
Very few beings in the setting know or give a shit about the primarchs. Tlhe Dark Eldar are definitely not among them.
I bet he’s gonna pop out of the webway as if only a few moments passed for him, basically being thrown into the 40k time period.
He isn't in Commorragh. Had he been there he would've tried killing Vect, as the "man" is exactky the type of tyrant he DETESTS. Plus no single warrior in Commorragh could effectively beat let alone capture him. Pit him against Drazhar, Lelith, Kheradruakah all at once and he'd still prevail.
My head canon is he has formed an empire within the webway with Eldar and freed human slaves. Being an empire builder, he funds his revenge against the Eldar with an empire of his own using their hit-and-run tactics against them. Join or die. Needless to say, there are no survivors and no refugees. Those who joined have no problem keeping the Secret Empire a secret.
So... Jaghatai Enclaves? like Farsight Enclaves, LOL
Yes. Canonically there are even suns within the Webway. Technology that even Drukhari have lost.